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Chaos - the main danger that migrants bring to Russia

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Chaos - the main danger that migrants bring to Russia

While the population is distracted by the Crimean-Ukrainian events and the threat of a large-scale confrontation with the West, the authorities continue to make mistakes in migration policy. 1 April in the first reading was considered a draft law “On Amendments to the Federal Law“ On Citizenship of the Russian Federation ”. It provides for a substantial simplification of the granting of Russian citizenship to all “native Russian speakers”.


Those compatriots who will be recognized by a special commission as native Russian speakers will be simplified in granting Russian citizenship. According to the chairman of the Duma committee on constitutional legislation and state-building Vladimir Pligin, they will be able to become citizens without complying with the rules that relate to temporary residence in Russia, obtaining a residence permit and other restrictions.

However, those who are familiar with the work of the bureaucratic apparatus of Russia, and have already seen the results of the previous "reforms" on the problem of migration (such as trying to teach migrants Russian, stories, “Rules of conduct”, etc.), they understand that such a “special commission” is a profanation. It will consist of the same officials who are personally interested in the legalization of migrants or are simply indifferent to this work.

The new order applies to those compatriots who lived in the Russian Federation or are descendants of those people who lived in the territory of the RSFSR, the Soviet Union and even the Russian Empire. Therefore, according to Pligin, this law even “restores historical justice” in some respects.

However, there is another opinion. Experts believe that this is simply the "legalization of migrants" in Russia. Thus, Valery Solovey, a professor at MGIMO, the leader of the New Force movement, believes that the essence of this law lies in one thing - “in the legalization of illegal migrants, mainly from Central Asia and Transcaucasia”. With the approval of the bill, it is illegal migrants who will be able to easily obtain Russian citizenship.

But it is illegal migration that is one of the most important threats for Russia, as well as the entire north (Russia, Europe and North America). This topic is almost taboo, but the problem of assimilation and degradation of the white race is a matter of life and death of the entire human civilization! Millions of migrants create a lot of private problems, for which not everyone sees a threat to national security. Already, this is a problem of large cities, there are signs of discontent in the province.

Therefore, the legalization of illegal migration instead of restoring order in this area and stopping support for the Central Asian “Khans” and “Baevs” is a big mistake. And it contains a whole range of problems. So, on the example of Ukraine, it is obvious that it is silly and dangerous to support regimes that “sit on two chairs” and often simply hide hostility towards Russia and Russians. If Russia supports the Central Asian regimes, then it should benefit from it. It’s not a sin to use the experience of the Western powers and organizations that somehow control a huge number of countries in South America, Africa and Asia. It is impossible not to control the "southern underbelly". If we give it up, it will be swallowed up by China, the West, and the "Islamic Project." Moreover, China and representatives of the “Islamic project” have an advantage, they directly border on Central Asia. It is beneficial for the West to include this region in the “zone of chaos” in order to transfer it to Russia.

At the same time, the authorities are again pushing away Russians and representatives of other indigenous peoples of the Russian civilization. Legalization of migrants is unlikely to increase the popularity of the central government. The current emotional, spiritual upsurge associated with the reunification of Russia and the Crimea is not eternal. The wave of joy is already subsiding, and people start asking questions.

It would be more correct to introduce the right to receive first priority citizenship of the Russian Federation for all Russians living abroad. Or at least enter a "Russian card". Hungary practiced a similar system and still has Poland. According to it, automatically, on the fact of belonging to a certain nation, a person receives all rights on a par with other citizens. He just does not have the opportunity to elect and be elected to the authorities. By this we could strengthen our positions in the near abroad, and throughout the world. In particular, this is how Russia could strengthen its position in Ukraine. Many citizens of Ukraine do not “want to burn bridges”, permanently moving to Russia, but would not mind getting a “Russian map”. A document that will give a certain package of benefits and rights.

Migration creates many internal problems. Even a fairy tale about the “cheapness of migrants” after studying the issue turns out to be a lie. Profit is received only by narrow groups of the population - officials and businessmen. And the entire burden of spending falls on the indigenous population. This includes social costs such as teaching migrants and their children or paying for the birth of hundreds of children of migrants (this is monthly, and this is only in the capital). Moreover, mothers often abandon children, and their content also falls on the shoulders of Russians. This is the outflow of capital: only in 2013, the migrants officially exported more than 18 billion dollars from the Russian Federation. This is a drop in the level of salaries of Russian citizens. We must not forget about ethnic crime, it also has a monetary expression. Therefore, “cheap labor of migrants” is a myth that is supported by interested persons. Attracting migrants is very expensive for the whole of Russian society.

Another myth related to the tale of “cheap labor of migrants” is the view that there is a “catastrophic labor shortage” in Russia. Therefore, without mass labor migration, we are waiting for the collapse of the economy. In reality, the economy is only degrading from the massive influx of labor migrants. There is a conservation of the “economy of the pipe”. With a high level of technology development and the transition to a new techno-layout, with automation and production robotization, we do not need millions of low-skilled workers. And the influx of masses of migrants returns society to the past. This is the archaization of almost all areas of life.

Thus, in a special report prepared by a group of experts under the leadership of the President of the National Strategy Institute (INS) Mikhail Remizov, it is emphasized that the current migration policy of the Russian Federation is aimed at attracting low-skilled labor from Central Asian countries, and not Russian-speaking citizens. Moreover, from 1990-x to 2000-s there has been a significant deterioration in the “quality of migratory influx”. Among migrants arriving in Russia, the level of secondary education is significantly lower than among Russian citizens. This is not surprising. Among the multimillion contingent of migrants settling in the Russian Federation, the natives of the rural areas of the Central Asian republics constitute the majority. They do not speak Russian well (or do not speak it at all), almost do not have a secondary specialized technical education. In addition, since the beginning of the 1990-s, the general level of education and culture in Central Asia has significantly subsided. The region is rapidly returning to the past.

Chaos is the main danger that millions of migrants bring to Russia. There is a split of the country along the line of "indigenous - aliens" (the growth of ethnic tension). We see all the “joys” of such a split on the example of Western European countries, where long-settled and newly arrived migrants, who are not going to assimilate and integrate into local national cultures, dissolve European peoples themselves. And the Europeans, crushed by the dictatorship of tolerance and political correctness, cannot do anything. Before our eyes, European civilization is simply dying. Next in line is Russia.

At the same time, the social base of radical Islam is sharply increasing. Jihadists widely recruit Central Asian migrants. Some migrants arrive in Russia already convinced Wahhabis and jihadists. They go to the "front", create cells of "resistance." Fortunately, the soil is already well prepared by decades of tales about the "colonial yoke of the Russians." Poverty and social injustice in the Central Asian republics are explained by the legacy of the “colonial oppression” of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. The level of education is such that the “new barbarians” cannot practically think for themselves, easily succumbing to nationalist and Islamist propaganda.

For our “western and eastern partners,” an army of migrants is an opportunity for the implementation of the “Syrian scenario” in Russia. Millions of migrants are a kind of “fifth column” that can be used to create a revolutionary situation in the Russian Federation.. In addition, through migrants, representatives of the Islamic and Western projects are launching an offensive against Russian civilization, undermining its linguistic, cultural and mental foundations. There is a destruction of "Russianness". We observe similar processes in Western Europe, where mosques appear on the site of ancient temples and churches.

It only seems that the migrant worker is the most innocent and destitute creature in the world. In reality, labor migrants encroach on the basis of the material existence of the whole civilization - the territory. The basis of all capital is territory. Money without authority over the territory does not matter. Labor migrants become claimants for capital extracted from the territory, moreover they exploit foreign territory, not their own territory. Thus, the “elite” of those countries that have got rid of the “surplus population”, dropping it abroad, is benefiting. They preserve the resources of their countries, which can be redistributed to their advantage. Yes, and have a share of the profits of the population who left. And the territory that receives migrants incurs losses. The indigenous population of Russia must contain migrants, spending the resources of their country and reducing their share.

It turns out a strange and extremely unfavorable situation for Russia. Allegedly, independent governments are getting rid of their population, not wanting to bear responsibility for it. At the same time, they boast of their “independence”. Russia must share its resources. Although common sense says that if you want to take from the common table, contribute your share. The Central Asian republics must again become part of the Russian civilization, join Russia, adding their territories and resources, then the peoples of Central Asia will have the right to use the opportunities that Russian citizenship gives. The sovereignty of the state, from which millions of citizens are leaving, is a myth. The main task of the modern state is to create a life support system for its citizens, to ensure their safety. The Central Asian "khans", and the Moldavian, Ukrainian and Baltic "princes", cannot solve this problem. Therefore, their state formations are completely artificial constructions created to weaken Russian civilization, to strangle it.

Migrants not only deprive us of the share of national wealth, but also bring chaos. Behind the waves of labor migrants there are problems that are not solved in their homeland. These are poverty, lawlessness, crime, drug trafficking, medieval (if not primitive) customs, degradation of education and culture, Islamism and much more. From the moment the migrant crossed the border of Russia, all this becomes our problems. It turns out that at our expense, chaos and evil penetrate our territory.

It is necessary to realize the indivisibility of man, people and his native land. Mass migration is evil. The mission of every nation is to bring prosperity to their native land, and not to master foreign territories, to seize another's share. Modern "nomadic economy" must be stopped, not encouraged.

Mass migration is one of the mechanisms by which races, civilizations and national cultures are destroyed and dissolved. Thus, the masters of the West are trying to take on the "divine mission" and create a "new man" who does not have racial, civilizational and national roots. The masters of the West need "two-legged tools", living only according to "economic concepts." This is the way to inferno!
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  1. Civil
    Civil April 3 2014 08: 02
    +53
    Cheap, and most importantly, completely bezpravnaya, business needs a labor, tobish the ruling class, and that's all our Wishlist is on the side. Bush will get excited by riot on too clever head. Sit discuss at home.
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 April 3 2014 10: 34
      +19
      Quote: Civil
      Cheap, and most importantly completely bezpravnaya, business needs a labor, tobish the ruling class,

      And what can this disenfranchised rabsla do, except serve and bring? What business will grow with it? In the bulk, besides the officials, they are not needed by anyone, of course, some of them will work for entrepreneurs as laborers, but they will not replace skilled workers.
      Maybe they should be sent to Skolkovo?
      1. jjj
        jjj April 3 2014 11: 58
        +4
        It is written to the migrant on the forehead that he is a migrant. Therefore, in which case, they will be quite easy to catch. In the case of riots and armed, God forbid, the opposition for their shooting no one will especially grieve. They themselves understand this. Therefore, trying to hide and stick together
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 April 3 2014 12: 14
          +9
          Quote: jjj
          Therefore, in which case, they will be quite easy to catch.

          If only it did not work out, as in the states, the settlements of migrants like "Harlem". Our bureaucrats are smart enough, then they definitely cannot be evicted without political will, but whether it is enough is a big question.
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 April 3 2014 14: 13
            -6
            The article is built up of emotions - which already says that its goal is completely different, and the Crimea, which is mentioned at the very beginning, serves to once again focus the focus from good to yet another problem, which you have to inflate to the size of an elephant.

            Moreover, they link the law, which is designed to unite all the carriers of Russian civilization, with the notorious migration problem, which has not been solved in any country in the world.
            But everything is very simple
            1) Migrants do the work that no one wants to do. This happens throughout Europe and in the USA.
            2) If it is profitable for businesses and for migrants there is not a particularly wide choice, then no visas, fences at the border will help - an example of the United States for you to study. There are more Maksas, Filipinos and Chinese there than all of us Central Asians and Moldovans.
            3) If we divide the number of estimated losses of the economy and the number of migrants, then it turns out that they earn not very bad, but ... see item 1.

            And I just can't understand what kind of law the Duma should adopt in order to be praised. No, well, seriously, the trend in our "opposition journalism" as it was in line with "EVERYTHING THE POWER DOES IS BAD, BOTH POWER" and remained.

            And yes, if migrants become legalized and pay taxes to the budget, it will be much more beneficial than fighting windmills in the form of raids, visas and fences.
            1. Turkir
              Turkir April 3 2014 15: 11
              +17
              Everything is not measured only by money.
              Genetic effects you provided for?
              The emergence of a huge subculture, while the shadow, you know?
              The appearance of Russian women in hijabs you have not noticed?
              Export of money, gray or black wages and busy jobs.
              All this is beneficial so far only corrupt officials, the police and the people shadow medium business.
              From this shady medium-sized business spliced ​​with the police, the bribe takers from the administration of regions and cities, the murderers from Kuschivka grow up. Oh, yes, they need silent and powerless migrants from Central Asia, Vietnam, Moldova and other countries.
              Also, these nouveau riche, they need to spend money in Europe, Turkey, Egypt and Thailand, along with his brother-bureaucrats, but not in Russia. And this on their behavior abroad built a generalized portrait of RUSSIAN people.
              And in Zlatoust, the plant was closed and five thousand people, Russian people, were expelled to the street.
              Do we need migrants?
              1. sledgehammer102
                sledgehammer102 April 3 2014 15: 43
                -4
                Quote: Turkir
                Everything is not measured only by money.
                Genetic effects you provided for?


                Show me genetically pure Russian, and then talk about the consequences. Russia has been a multinational state for more than a thousand years, however, a huge number of Russian have not yet ousted Tatars and genetically destroyed them, and mixed marriages have given our country a bunch of geniuses of thought and politicians.

                Quote: Turkir
                The emergence of a huge subculture, while the shadow, you know?

                I know a subculture that goes to the "Russian march" and waves a swastika, in Ukraine the indigenous population is engaged in this and is called "Bandera". So what kind of subculture should appear in Russia, which has been a multinational state for a thousand years? Only if we ourselves, with our hatred, will relate to each other.


                Quote: Turkir
                The appearance of Russian women in hijabs you have not noticed?

                Have you noticed the baptized Tatars? Or Tolstoy's saying - "Consider me a Mohammedan" has gone past your ears too. Religion is everyone's choice. It worries me more when a Russian or a Tatar says that he is an atheist.

                Quote: Turkir
                Export of money, gray or black wages and busy jobs.

                The money is imported by both Russians and Ukrainians, and Russian Ukrainians, gray and black salaries in circulation and among the indigenous population, and I’ll advise you to write about the job search site of any city to you about busy jobs, if you are friends with your head, you will find 2- 5 days. Once again, if you divide the damage from migrants into double the number, it turns out that they just receive the average salary in the country.

                Quote: Turkir
                And this is a generalized portrait of RUSSIAN people based on their behavior abroad.

                Tagiiiil !!!!!!!!!!!!! Who is that screaming? Only nouveau riche?

                Quote: Turkir
                And in Zlatoust, the plant was closed and five thousand people, Russian people, were expelled to the street.

                And only this month around 20 of large enterprises opened, which employ hundreds of thousands of Russian people.
                1. Turkir
                  Turkir April 5 2014 19: 39
                  +2
                  I have the impression that you are talking to yourself.
                  And on their behavior - those people, if you read carefully, do not belong to the middle class, but to the SHADOW middle business. This is the whole point. Migrants most often fall into their hands and receive pitiful pennies. I also talked with guys from Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, there are many of them at the housing office, and they are paid less. What do you think, into whose pocket the "saved money" goes? So these are the people who benefit.
                  It's clear? As for Kryashen, I already know without you. And what do you know about other directions in religions? An example will cite SPECIALLY neutral: Scientology. Do you understand? These questions are extremely delicate, so I write briefly, hoping that readers will be more thoughtful. So with the guys from Central Asia, I am on friendly terms and do not need to make me a chauvinist. And the history of the Volga Bulgars and their influence on the history of Russia, in general, I study and know it no less than they do about themselves. As for the rest of the questions, I have long noticed that a nervous reaction to the problems I have touched for some reason is happening from the outside, which occupies the EXTREME position in protecting one’s own interests and never allowing one to take the exact same position from the RUSSIANS. Let me have the opinion of a Russian person living in Russia.
                  And let me remind you when I wrote that we do not need migrants - I started from interests of Russian citizensincluding the peoples living here and different, but officially allowed, denominations. For some reason you have not only not noticed this, but apparently, you simply forgot about them.
                  I am against various "China Towns", and this is what I call a subculture.
                  If you have your own thoughts about migrants, then you are welcome, express it in a separate post, and we will criticize.
              2. Alex_Popovson
                Alex_Popovson April 4 2014 12: 09
                -3
                Do we need migrants?

                Are needed. Definitely. I have not seen a single Russian janitor for the last 10 years.
                1. svv65
                  svv65 13 November 2015 23: 15
                  -1
                  Looked bad. And I see migrants in markets that sell farmer food products at inflated prices, industrial goods, clothing, some work on racks, etc. And take out money from our country. They are NOT NEEDED here !!!
            2. joum
              joum April 3 2014 17: 34
              -1
              Russia historically consists of migrants who assimilated and became Russians. And what nonsense, at the expense of the threat of the white nation? The confusion here is based on the fact that migrants are not controlled as much as the indigenous population. If they are legitimized, then the rights and obligations will apply equally to them. Including taxes, and it is easier to find a person if he has some kind of permanent registration. Yes, and shit where you live, no longer want. Now they treat us as slave owners who buy them and behave accordingly. By the way, I, as an employer, prefer to hire migrants. Not because they are cheaper - we pay them the same way, but because they do not drink and once they came to work, they work.
              1. bda
                bda April 3 2014 20: 18
                +6
                Comrade confuses us with the USA. Russia is not a country of migrants. Russia is a country where the Russian-Orthodox culture has been expanding through the inclusion of more and more ethnic groups exclusively due to its "cultural strength." There is such a good term "Russified". But even in such conditions (when the Russian-Orthodox culture was a real national core, and not a folklore masquerade under the ridicule of a significant part of the "progressive" population), "Russification" did not take place by itself, but was carefully stimulated (if you want to serve as the sovereign, be baptized Orthodoxy).
                1. joum
                  joum April 3 2014 21: 53
                  -2
                  Perhaps, but I have a kakbe ... XXI century outside the window and I am a convinced pastafarian. Moreover, even foreigners at all times were surprised at the tolerance of Russians in matters of faith, so do not distort.
                  As Vladyka Jonah, the Archbishop of Astrakhan, said: “When Muslims have Eid al-Adha, we go to them for belyashi, when we have Easter, they come to us for Easter cakes.”
            3. saber1357
              saber1357 April 4 2014 00: 39
              0
              Yes, I am surprised to you, robyaty. Here, Sledgehammer102,
              1. Wrote a sensible comment, really pointed out the psychological mechanism of the article (distraction, mentioning the Crimea is just a classic yellow press trick of dirty manipulation),
              2. Pointed to the clear presence in the article of the component of the Eternal Soviet Intelligence which is ALWAYS UNIVERSAL.

              It seems you need to understand this, eh?

              And you, minus one, oh, strategy tactics ....
            4. Yura Gagarin
              Yura Gagarin April 5 2014 00: 42
              +3
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              1) Migrants do the work that no one wants to do. This happens all over Europe and in the USA. 2) If it is profitable for business and there is not a wide choice of migrants, then no visas, fences at the border will help - an example of the United States for you to study. Maksov, Filipinos and Chinese there more than we all ....

              bullshit ... Japan to help you ...... and nothing ... 3-i economy in the world ...
            5. svv65
              svv65 13 November 2015 23: 08
              -1
              Migrants group their ethnic groups under the roof of their fellow countrymen who permanently reside in the Russian Federation, by the way most often criminal. And then they trade in the markets, work on racks, etc. In short, they take bread from the indigenous people of the Russian Federation. And only a small part of migrants perform cheap unskilled work.
        2. iConst
          iConst April 3 2014 13: 53
          +4
          Quote: jjj
          In the case of riots and armed, God forbid, the opposition for their shooting no one will especially grieve.

          Chichas something! The fifth column will howl and to the west such horrors will merge, that Bin Laden will be more white than an angel. And these gay media will turn into rebels and righteous fighters.
        3. bda
          bda April 3 2014 20: 02
          +1
          In Kosovo, already caught.
        4. bda
          bda April 3 2014 20: 02
          0
          In Kosovo, already caught.
        5. ava09
          ava09 April 4 2014 10: 45
          +3
          Everything is too simple for you. You did not think about an alternative option, when they will not catch them, but vice versa. Look at their number and organization.
          1. iConst
            iConst April 4 2014 11: 10
            +1
            Quote: ava09
            Look at their number and organization.

            The number is not in their favor, but they are organized many times better.
            Already repeated reports were, when the disassembly began with the Russians, they waited for a while, continuing to slightly warm up the conflict, and when the 15-20 minutes came through impressive reinforcements, they began to take action.
            1. svv65
              svv65 13 November 2015 23: 18
              0
              RIGHT!!! I was convinced of this in 1984, when I served in the army.
        6. Yura Gagarin
          Yura Gagarin April 5 2014 00: 38
          +1
          Therefore, trying to hide and stick together

          Moscow, they are not hiding, they are already drinking beer on the benches .... on the impotent, recently, the police don't care .. (
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 3 2014 12: 12
        +13
        Quote: ele1285
        What business will grow with it?

        Building. With such kickbacks, developers tend to save on everything. And the Decision, as always on the palm of your hand, is to simplify and cheapen the licensing component in the construction of housing, and to toughen the punishment for extorting recoils.
        By the way, the other day canceled quotas for migrant workers, now for each you need to get a patent (1000р. on 3 of the month), and import as much as you want. Example - local need to pay 15-20т.р., And guest workers 8-10т.р, + 1000р. patent (for 3 months). Guess who will take on the construction and housing office? hi
      3. Arberes
        Arberes April 3 2014 12: 33
        +6
        Quote: ele1285
        And what can this disenfranchised rabsla do, except serve and bring? What business will grow with it? In the bulk, apart from officials, they are not needed by anyone,

        I can answer you only with one phrase. hi
        "Demand creates supply". So they are needed? Why, then, does the government still allow them to fill the vastness of our vast Motherland with their hordes?
        1. iConst
          iConst April 3 2014 13: 56
          +2
          Quote: Arberes
          "Demand creates supply". So they are needed? Why, then, does the government still allow them to fill the vastness of our vast Motherland with their hordes?

          Well, dude, just like from Mars fell ... laughing
          1. Arberes
            Arberes April 3 2014 15: 54
            +6
            Quote: iConst
            Well, dude, just like from Mars fell ..

            I understand that brevity is the sister of talent! Say what you wanted?

            Ah Chuvachello, Chuvachello
            What did you have in mind?
            I'm sitting now for treason
            What did you want to tell me ???

            Well, calm me down soon
            Do not need vulgarity and farce?
            Or maybe you are my friend
            The Messenger of the Solar Marsa ??? lol
            1. iConst
              iConst April 3 2014 20: 49
              0
              Quote: Arberes
              I understand that brevity is the sister of talent! Say what you wanted?

              Not really finished? The question you ask rhetorically-kindergarten.
              laughing
        2. ele1285
          ele1285 April 3 2014 16: 08
          +4
          Quote: Arberes
          "Demand creates supply". So they are needed? Why, then, does the government still allow them to fill the vastness of our vast Motherland with their hordes?

          So I’m wondering why. Let's talk health. Which state needs poor, illiterate shepherds, no, especially in such numbers. They don’t even have an electorate for the power of those holding it. - no one.
          In fact (my personal opinion) this is the chaos and nonsense of our officials, as in the situation with the fight against drunkenness in the days of the marked when the vineyards were cut down, make the fool pray to God ... The chaos is that they are forced to work for three in the communal services, but they pay as one, the rest is divided among themselves by the "aces" from housing and communal services, it's not for me to tell you. With construction the same thing.
          And the nonsense is that those who invoke them here think that the crime of immigrants will never touch them. And who will guarantee that the construction boom will not end and these hordes will not come out on the big road with a cudgel.
          1. svv65
            svv65 13 November 2015 23: 22
            -1
            So it will be .... They will gather a bunch and kill the indigenous Russians one by one.
        3. plut-k
          plut-k April 5 2014 18: 01
          0
          and you count up - tomorrow, for example, the drug legalized. This is me about - demand creates supply.
      4. TROG
        TROG April 3 2014 13: 07
        -7
        Absolutely disagree.
        Having obtained citizenship, children of migrants are sent to schools and higher educational institutions.
        Unlike most Russians, they are forced to learn by their parents. What would they be like people.
        Not so long ago there was an olympiad in the Russian language, duck are not all Russian winners (the acquaintance of the teacher recounted herself in shock).
        And 90% yes even more than all types of work, this work which can be trained even a monkey. This is a locksmith, welders, turners, all sorts of plumbers, assemblers, electricians - the list is endless.
        It turns out that those who studied in vocational schools, technical schools, colleges, they are all competitors of migrants.
        Yes, and with higher education, all are mainly loans and they sell in shops.
        1. iConst
          iConst April 3 2014 14: 06
          +10
          Quote: TROG
          Unlike most Russians, they are forced to learn by their parents. What would they be like people.
          Not so long ago there was an olympiad in the Russian language, duck are not all Russian winners (the acquaintance of the teacher recounted herself in shock).
          And 90% yes even more than all types of work, this work which can be trained even a monkey. This is a locksmith, welders, turners, all sorts of plumbers, assemblers, electricians - the list is endless.

          First: These are isolated cases or the children of those who have long been Russified - there are many Asians who have a "Russian" upbringing. And besides appearance, nothing else is with the migrants in question. They speak exclusively Russian and better than most "Russians".
          But geyropeyskaya practice shows a completely different picture: the children do not want to integrate into the country, they remain outcasts - as parents work as cleaners for them zapadlo, and managars ... The path is one: drugs, robbery and other delights ... occasionally sell greens to the market.
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 April 3 2014 14: 20
            -1
            Quote: iConst
            First: These are isolated cases or the children of those who have long been Russified - there are many Asians who have a "Russian" upbringing. And besides appearance, nothing else is with the migrants in question. They speak exclusively Russian and better than most "Russians".

            The case is far from isolated, but just massive, if we talk about those who came to Russia for permanent residence, it will be clear below why.

            Quote: iConst
            But geyropeyskaya practice shows a completely different picture: the children do not want to integrate into the country, they remain outcasts - as parents work as cleaners for them zapadlo, and managars ...


            This is precisely what distinguishes a geo-European state from a Russian one, since assimilation takes place in the Russian Federation, but there isn’t, because there, unlike the Russian Federation, nothing can be obtained for a passport or residence permit, even for the indigenous people, for everything from School and ending with medicine gets a pretty penny for newcomers. And as a result, children have no education, so there is no profession and normal work, and as a crown to everything - normal medical insurance, it turns out to be an outcast, since he has no other way than to live in the ghetto and raid the neighboring districts.

            In Russia, everything is completely different for now, although the problem of migrants is real and very dangerous, but it is not only solved by law.
            1. iConst
              iConst April 3 2014 14: 38
              +16
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              The case is not isolated, but just massive

              Specifically, the mass, with a minus sign - recently the teacher complained: in the primary grades there is already a third of the Slavic "class". The rest is a hellish mixture of all kinds of nationalities. Poor knowledge of the Russian language.
              Because of this, it is necessary to lower the general level, otherwise there would be arrivals for the "infringement of the rights" of migrants - this is well monitored and conducted by someone.

              I do not know where everything is so chocolate in you - I am in St. Petersburg. Information from one of the schools on the outskirts.

              If you think that poor knowledge of the language helps in education - I dare to assure you: you are mistaken. By the end of school, these kids just learn to read Russian tolerably well.
              What institute? What is integration? Get down already from heaven.
              1. sledgehammer102
                sledgehammer102 April 3 2014 16: 01
                -5
                Quote: iConst
                What institute? What is integration? Get down already from heaven.

                I will tell you that the natives of Bashkiria or the Republic of Tyva or Buryatia speak poorly in Russian. And the Russians themselves do not differ in their special purity of speech, so this is a matter for a separate article.

                As for integration, we will talk about problemmara as soon as real ghettos appear, but they will never appear, and I have already given you the reasons above. But the chances of their occurrence grow when systemic public opinion is formed through the media in relation to all people who come to Russia from abroad, and this attitude is aggressive, which will make everyone kuchuvatsya and you can get your Harlem.
                1. ele1285
                  ele1285 April 3 2014 19: 05
                  +3
                  Quote: sledgehammer102
                  And the Russians themselves do not differ in their special purity of speech,

                  as soon as real ghettos appear, and they never appear,

                  Absolutely correctly in the entire Union said, from 250 million, only Academician Likhachev, this is the first, and the second - nothing can ever appear under the moon and a ghetto may appear.
                2. iConst
                  iConst April 3 2014 21: 11
                  +4
                  Quote: sledgehammer102
                  As for integration, we will talk about problemmara as soon as real ghettos appear, but they will never appear, and I have already given you the reasons above.

                  Well then, I will also give "iron" proofs: as soon as a "critical mass" of drone children accumulates, then the confrontation between the "indigenous" and the newcomers will begin.
                  And here it is, those who brewed this mess will come up with a way out - to build with our money .... yes, separate towns for these migrants to separate the parties.
                  And in order not to buzili - they will build not very cheap houses, moreover, they will throw allowances to calm down .... Welcome to the pindocation model!

                  Only dypaki learn from their mistakes.
                  1. svv65
                    svv65 13 November 2015 23: 33
                    0
                    Exactly !!! In Europe, this is already a reality, and it will be even worse !!!
                3. saber1357
                  saber1357 April 4 2014 00: 41
                  0
                  Yes, but here, Kuvalda, you said complete nonsense: "through the media, public opinion is formed in relation to all people who came to Russia from abroad, and this attitude is aggressive." What kind of media do you think is interesting?
                  1. sledgehammer102
                    sledgehammer102 April 4 2014 13: 13
                    +1
                    Quote: saber1357
                    Etta what kind of media do you think is interesting?

                    Any. When some "Slavic" organized criminal group kills and rapes, so they go under the tag "criminals bandits", and when Caucasians or Central Asians, then immediately "nationality + bandit + criminal". Emphasis, so to speak. here, too, there is often news about Kuzyu "Only Russian aircraft carrier ...... ", they lie, they don't lie, but all conversations are directed in the right direction
                4. svv65
                  svv65 13 November 2015 23: 31
                  0
                  Numbling in their blood, and we are not friends with them and they will always perceive us as a potential adversary. So it was before and always will be. And how they relate to the Slavs in their homeland is a separate issue. And you who did not live with them in their countries would be better silent on this topic ...
            2. Arberes
              Arberes April 3 2014 16: 05
              +12
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              for everything from the school to the medicine gets a pretty penny for the newcomers.

              Well, yes, and here, migrants get almost everything at the expense of the taxpayer, that is, me and other citizens of the Russian Federation. Maybe enough freebies?

              Quote: sledgehammer102
              since in the Russian Federation assimilation occurs,

              And we have not going on! They settle in their flocks and create enclaves! It is only a few little families to settle down and gradually the whole herd will lie down to them.

              And the enclaves of these territories adjacent to the markets. There Chuchmeks bought whole neighborhoods! In N.Novgorod so at least.
              1. sledgehammer102
                sledgehammer102 April 3 2014 16: 16
                0
                Quote: Arberes
                Well, yes, and here, migrants get almost everything at the expense of the taxpayer, that is, me and other citizens of the Russian Federation. Maybe enough freebies?


                Sochi was also built on your money and people in the Far East were rebuilt after the floods, but only refusing the migrants who came for permanent residence in the Russian Federation in compulsory health insurance and education is utter nonsense, which leads to the formation of ghettos and ethnic crime, since they feel surrounded by enemies, but have no choice but to stay here.

                You probably did not understand my idea. It is necessary to start from the fact that the problem of illegal migration has not been solved anywhere, in any country of the world, except for the DPRK, probably. And the reasoning should be based on the fact that migrants were, are and will be, and from this already build a conclusion and the principle of "do no harm" here is just what is needed.

                1) It is necessary to enter visas - FACT (will not solve the problem, but we will exclude repeat offenders)
                2) Russian visitors should know
                3) Citizenship should be given to all carriers of Russian civilization (language, culture, religion, history) in a simplified scheme.
                4) It is possible that visitors with a residence permit need to be restricted in moving around the country to grantsits region.
                5) .... other ideas are welcome.

                But what exactly is not worth doing is cultivating enmity on a national basis, for this is the weak point of Russian statehood. Now in Kiev they rule those who in the Russian Federation are still gathering for Russian marches under the swastika.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 April 3 2014 18: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: sledgehammer102
                  5) .... other ideas are welcome

                  Plus the impossibility of obtaining Russian citizenship by persons of non-indigenous nationalities (Buryats, Tatars, etc. - indigenous)
                  Quote: sledgehammer102
                  the problem of illegal migration is nowhere to be resolved, in no other country of the world except the DPRK

                  UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc. There would be a desire, and our government, judging by the abolition of quotas on Gaster, aims to see others - the creation of a multicultural and truly multinational state, like the United States, where no nation can claim exclusive rights. hi
                  1. sledgehammer102
                    sledgehammer102 April 3 2014 19: 17
                    0
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    UAE, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc. There would be a desire, and our government, judging by the abolition of quotas on Gaster, aims to see others - the creation of a multicultural and truly multinational state, like the United States, where no nation can claim exclusive rights.


                    And you can call a larger country? And yes, the number of labor migrants in Arabia rolls over.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 April 3 2014 19: 52
                      +3
                      Quote: sledgehammer102
                      And you can call a larger country?

                      What for? I called the country with a quality of life. Size does not matter, everything is solved, I repeat - there would be a desire.
                      Quote: sledgehammer102
                      And yes, the number of labor migrants in Arabia rolls over.

                      The conversation was about illegal immigrants.
                      Quote: sledgehammer102
                      the problem of illegal migration is not solved anywhere

                      There is no illegal emigration in S.A. GENERALLY. All work legally, and none of the local population is against it, because migrant workers do not violate the laws there. (Any "flight" - deportation without the right to enter the country, at least.)
                      1. sledgehammer102
                        sledgehammer102 April 4 2014 13: 19
                        -1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        What for? I called the country with a quality of life. Size does not matter, everything is solved, I repeat - there would be a desire.


                        Size and population are just the same.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        All work legally, and none of the local population is against it, because migrant workers do not violate the laws there. (Any "flight" - deportation without the right to enter the country, at least.)


                        That's exactly what we need to implement, I wrote the list above.

                        But luck, it is easier to hire Gaster to an entrepreneur than the same one, only with a work permit (no matter how great the status and certain rights are). Accordingly, it is necessary to run into employers.

                        Anyway, Russian entrepreneurs recruit illegal immigrants and are not soared with high matters. Once the fish rots from the head, then the head is just the same here - for the main reason. Demand creates supply.

                        So do not confuse the law on simplification for the Russian-speaking population and the fight against illegal workers
                2. svv65
                  svv65 13 November 2015 23: 41
                  0
                  How many wolves do not feed, he still looks into the forest. Only visas and for a very limited time and expensive and limited quantity per year.
              2. svv65
                svv65 13 November 2015 23: 37
                0
                And our powers that be. They have security guards and high fences. And armored cars.
        2. cheega69
          cheega69 April 3 2014 14: 51
          +7
          You first teach a good welded, fitter and turner, and then tryndi.
          1. TROG
            TROG April 3 2014 16: 11
            -1
            I did not study as a teacher.
            1. ele1285
              ele1285 April 3 2014 16: 29
              +3
              And to whom did you study then, my dear, that you compare people to monkeys to lehkuyu? Philologist or some other humanist?
              1. TROG
                TROG April 3 2014 16: 33
                +1
                Technician welding technology.
                And if your not a secret?
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 April 3 2014 18: 53
                  +9
                  Quote: TROG
                  Technician welding technology.

                  So how easy was it to learn? A monkey could? laughing
                  My friend, I work as a mechanic, I have seen welds, and believe, I have not seen more than one good Tajik, Kyrgyz or Uzbek welder. I can not imagine Tajik turner 6 discharge. Shovel and counter - this is their destiny (for the most part, of course).
                  The former wife is from Uzbekistan, so there the technical specialists were ONLY Russians. Does it mean anything? hi
                  1. Arberes
                    Arberes April 3 2014 19: 33
                    +8
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Man, I work as a mechanic,

                    The factory worker himself in life and was a fitter, now the miller!
                    On my life journey, only one Uzbek worked at the plant !!!
                    He put the rods in the flask on the line! drinks
                    It was still under Soviet rule. All the specialties in industries are mastered by Russians and everything rests on Russians and this is a fact!
                    1. joum
                      joum April 3 2014 23: 03
                      -2
                      Is not a fact. I have been welders for ten years now exclusively Uzbeks and Moldovans. How many Russians have tried to take - kosyachat incredibly and do not get out of the binge. And the constructions are serious, so we no longer risk.
                2. ele1285
                  ele1285 April 3 2014 19: 07
                  +5
                  Nobody, the plumber is a vocation. So I wonder, can a monkey be taught to the technician of a welding technician, or is it a higher level available, for example, to Papuans without education or to Pygmies from the Stone Age?
        3. max702
          max702 April 3 2014 15: 34
          +8
          Quote: TROG
          And 90% yes even more than all types of work, this work which can be trained even a monkey. This is a locksmith, welders, turners, all sorts of plumbers, assemblers, electricians - the list is endless.

          It is after such words that it becomes clear who needs migrants, have you completely out of your mind survived to declare that workers in their specialty are easy to learn and master? When you look for a good plumber so that he can fix your toilet as it should, or a mechanic with a head and hands will remember your idiotic koment!
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            1. ele1285
              ele1285 April 3 2014 19: 12
              +6
              We have Russian pensioners working in the HOA welded, plumbers and electricians.
        4. ele1285
          ele1285 April 3 2014 16: 25
          +4
          Quote: TROG
          And 90% yes even more than all types of work, this work which can be trained even a monkey. This is a locksmith, welders, turners, all sorts of plumbers, assemblers, electricians - the list is endless.

          Well, well, it became really interesting for me, and then what not to bring monkeys to us? I imagine a baboon at a fraser machine and how you give him a drawing and try to clarify something about ".
          Good welded, turner or auto mechanic still need to search and not everyone is given. And hard workers compared with monkeys is the last bestiality, you have no mind for sure.
        5. Ascetic
          Ascetic April 3 2014 20: 33
          +4
          Quote: TROG
          Absolutely disagree.
          Having obtained citizenship, children of migrants are sent to schools and higher educational institutions.
          Unlike most Russians, they are forced to learn by their parents. What would they be like people.
          Not so long ago there was an olympiad in the Russian language, duck are not all Russian winners (the acquaintance of the teacher recounted herself in shock).


          Yes, throw you, below Constantine correctly said that this is a case close to the statistical error. They go to the same Nerezinovaya trite to earn and nothing more. In the same Uzbekistan salary go work for 6000р. in months maximum, and in Moscow he earns at least THREE times more and for the most unskilled labor. Yes, they need a Russian passport as a saddle for a cow, because it will immediately deprive them of all the advantages. So for 3-5 they earn their years for a decent house with a plot somewhere on Kuylyuk in Tashkent. They open their business there, buy yellow pants and spit for Russian citizenship from the top of the minaret. At least at 90%, this is the goal. And if he becomes a citizen of Russia renouncing his citizenship? Everything, lafa ends, go and try to earn a house or apartment (I keep quiet about Moscow, at least in the province) with such a salary and Russian prices. The employer will immediately say to such a new compatriot, come on, dear. Goodbye, I’ll take the illegal better, and you go to the Russian labor exchange with all your aul. Our country is full of abandoned villages. Lands, why are there no hard-working Uzbeks and Tajiks visible? Who are looking to take root in Russia? I often go on business trips to the central Russia, stop somewhere in Mtsensk or Roslavl and catch myself thinking that something is missing in the landscape, and then it comes to you that ANYWHERE do not have friends to pain and gnashing of the teeth of a native Moskvabad or St. Petersburg, neither in shops. nor in the markets or in cafes. Because they have nothing to do here, they will not earn here on their house in Uzbekistan or Kyrgyzstan, even if you hang them with passports.
          1. Demon0n
            Demon0n April 4 2014 02: 09
            +1
            Quote: Ascetic

            ...
            They go to the same non-rezinovuyu trite to earn and for nothing more.
            ...
            At least in 90%, this is the goal.

            And if he becomes a citizen of Russia renouncing his citizenship?


            This is only part of the truth.
            Any person has ambition (the desire to become everything). They are expressed to one degree or another, depending on the set of opposing conventions ("taboo" systems, complexes, phobias, "egoistic - / - altruistic motivations" based on the formed worldview).
            Some of them are going precisely to settle down by any (I emphasize: by any) means and climb to the very "personal top". The same motive is observed among many indigenous people.
            * I believe, to deny the presence of this factor is meaningless. The best proof is the level of corruption. *
            In the case of the indigenous people, they, as a rule, do not pose the threat of a veiled seepage of extremism (due to the absence of fundamental cultural contradictions - not "mutually familiar" traditions). At least they do not pose a direct threat, but indirectly (through non-indigenous people with partially or fully realized ambitions) ...
            It is possible to write intelligent and correct thoughts on this topic for a long time, but it will be easier to note the factors leading to the occurrence of this problem (see above) ... All factors are personal / personal.
            Many people ask and will continue to ask themselves the question: why was this not observed in the USSR (it was observed, but it was not so clearly expressed) ... Everything is very simple. In the USSR, personal ambitions were restrained at the administrative and social level, partially sent in the right direction, or channeled (I don’t consider a variant of the rotation method with human costs ...). Not very effective (individual manifestations were observed in sufficient quantities, but were not pronounced), but it worked for a while.
            Accordingly, at the moment there are 2 methods (as far as I know, mankind has not invented others) for solving the problem: 1) to recreate the administrative-social filter 2) to apply the rotation method with those or other costs (both methods can work in combination). You can, of course, fantasize that it is necessary to educate all citizens, without exception, in the spirit of patriotism and intellectualism (that is, a person must track events, give events the necessary "correct" version of assessment and be able / inclined, if necessary, to neglect their interests in benefit of state and / or public) ... In this (hypothetical) case, there will be a need to track the development of the individual, with possible isolation or restriction of the rights of the individual, if necessary (I will say this ... In the final evolution, the system of personal rights / privileges and corresponding responsibilities will come to a similar appearance: citizen, resident, asocial element, criminal). However, at the moment it is a utopia. ... that the experience of the USSR proved "safely", or rather, how grandly and with what bang, pathos and energy it collapsed - people themselves ditched it with great pleasure and immediately fell into the euphoria of permissiveness (not all, of course, but the frightening majority) ...
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      5. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson April 4 2014 12: 06
        0
        Maybe they should be sent to Skolkovo?

        Well, it seems to me that in Moscow there were noticeably fewer guests from Central Asia, at least a few months before the Olympics. And now, too, is not very much.
      6. Dmitry Toderes
        Dmitry Toderes April 5 2014 18: 56
        +1
        And besides, they only bring down the salary and force out the indigenous population - entrepreneurs prefer to recruit Aizek with lower salary requirements than the indigenous population. Migrants from Asia behave like primitive pigs and we do not need them!
    2. timer
      timer April 6 2014 23: 27
      +1
      I 100% support the author of the article! In addition to the thief, the official does not need immigrants in Russia. There is no benefit from them, but only additional problems appear. Let them get out back! The new law on accelerated citizenship is a "bomb" that is specially laid by our rulers to increase the tension in society. Nothing for the people, only everything is against. CITIZENSHIP IN RUSSIA SHOULD BE OWNED ONLY BY A REPRESENTATIVE OF AN INDIGENOUS PEOPLE!
  2. Sergg
    Sergg April 3 2014 08: 04
    +66
    It is necessary to strictly control the migration of Asians. No need to come in illusions, they are not brothers and no friends - their ultimate goal is to get comfortable here and force out the indigenous population.
    When they "start pumping rights" they will have to suppress migration by force of arms, which is much worse.
    1. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov April 3 2014 08: 34
      +28
      Quote: Sergg
      It is necessary to strictly control the migration of Asians. No need to come in illusions, they are not brothers and no friends - their ultimate goal is to get comfortable here and force out the indigenous population.
      When they "start pumping rights" they will have to suppress migration by force of arms, which is much worse.


      Fully agree! And support for Russian immigrants is a very good decision!
      I know not by hearsay most of the Uzbeks / and the rest / do not speak Russian at all! Posshaesh with such and "our rush" is no longer funny!
      1. Vadim12
        Vadim12 April 3 2014 09: 22
        +29
        I completely agree with you. I work in construction, I also "talked" with migrants. There are enough janitors. It will be difficult to "Russify" 20-30 year old men. They come already with their own concepts of good and evil. Some kind of suspicious bill ...
        1. rasputin17
          rasputin17 April 3 2014 10: 12
          +29
          It will be difficult to "Russify" 20-30 year old men.


          Russify them vseravno that Russify now Obama or Yaytsenyuha !! The effect is the same !!
          In the beginning there will be: Maya Tway not understand !!
          And then there will be: Tva live rules in May !!!!
          1. yulka2980
            yulka2980 April 3 2014 10: 40
            +15
            Fully agree with you! From these gastrobaytera so nowhere to go! Walk down the street with such arrogant faces, supposedly we have visited them to visit! DO NOT understand this law, in the State Duma there is nothing to do ??
            1. iConst
              iConst April 3 2014 14: 12
              +7
              Quote: yulka2980
              Fully agree with you! From these gastrobaytera so nowhere to go! Walk down the street with such arrogant faces, supposedly we have visited them to visit! DO NOT understand this law, in the State Duma there is nothing to do ??

              They are engaged with might and main: their arrangement. The stub is clear that they have dividends from this ...

              Pindos gave the command to their manual: to accelerate the laying of a new bomb under Russia. This is clear.
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      3. matross
        matross April 3 2014 11: 39
        +14
        Quote: serega.fedotov
        Most of the Uzbek / yes and the rest / do not speak Russian at all

        And if they say, then what? Welcome, brothers? Nah.er such relatives! Simplified acquisition of citizenship should be only for nations and ethnic groups that do not have their own national states or are representative of one of the peoples of Russia who have a national education within it. Let me explain: Tatars are in simplified order, there are no Tajiks, Jews in simplified order (they have a national area in the Far East), Kalmyks in simplified order, there are no Uzbeks, etc. Russians, as a titular nation, are welcome in any form.
        And then you need something under the guise of wanting to push! Relatives lived in the USSR! Now all farmers from the fields of hemp will rush to prove that they have the right, and they have learned five words in Russian!
        1. sergey261180
          sergey261180 April 4 2014 19: 30
          0
          simplified Jews (they have a national area in the Far East
          But Israel is no longer quoted as a state ?!
      4. Semurg
        Semurg April 3 2014 19: 37
        0
        Quote: serega.fedotov
        Quote: Sergg
        It is necessary to strictly control the migration of Asians. No need to come in illusions, they are not brothers and no friends - their ultimate goal is to get comfortable here and force out the indigenous population.
        When they "start pumping rights" they will have to suppress migration by force of arms, which is much worse.


        Fully agree! And support for Russian immigrants is a very good decision!
        I know not by hearsay most of the Uzbeks / and the rest / do not speak Russian at all! Posshaesh with such and "our rush" is no longer funny!

        Sergey, as a true Russian language expert, I want to say that I saw five mistakes in your small post. I myself have a lot of mistakes, but it is permissible for me I did not test others for the knowledge of the great and mighty laughing . By the way, when the text of the word is typed where there are errors underlined, you can correct it without any problems. You may indeed consider yourself more correct than a corrector and you will examine all Uzbeks laughing .
        1. matross
          matross April 3 2014 20: 10
          +1
          Semurg
          Well, you will find a lot of such "Russians" here. They won't be able to make two sentences without mistakes, but for the purity of the nation they will sprinkle everyone with saliva!
          Russia needs Asia, as well as vice versa. We are interdependent. When the Asian elites realize - either back under Russia or chaos - everything will stabilize on the principles of "suzerain-vassal". A bad option is chaos. Then Asia will perish and Russia will weaken.
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    2. rasputin17
      rasputin17 April 3 2014 10: 08
      +13
      I agree and unconditionally agree with every word !! Moreover, many of them are cossacks with Wahhabi and Hizbuttahrir bias !! Now in Central Asia, fundamental extremist Islam is being planted out of Arabia and local authorities cannot cope with this and sometimes they just close their eyes because they are shaking their asses and chairs for one reason, and for another they are simply afraid of the massacre of the Arab spring !! And in the Asian region at the moment there are all prerequisites for this !!
    3. Sergei75
      Sergei75 April 3 2014 10: 42
      +31
      And no one wondered why in the times of the USSR there was no such mass resettlement of people from one republic to another?
      Even now, migrants create their communities even in Moscow (typical districts of Lyublino, Biryulyovo, Kapotnya, etc.), they live according to their own laws, their own concepts. They seize labor markets, see who now rules in construction companies, and even in the government of Moscow, and they need cheap labor, which simply does not know Russian and speaks only among themselves, the circle is closed. And add here the increase in crime, the guys are selling drugs with might and main, and our police are covering them openly, not to mention the increase in prostitution, they stand along the whole ring road day and night, and our officials from the Ministry of Internal Affairs constantly drive it to work and home ( executive class cars in war paint with flashing lights and sirens, it's hard not to notice), or are they in such a hurry that they can't see from the side of the left row what is happening on the side of the right?

      Russia will be destroyed not by the Americans with NATO, not by the maydanovtsy, not by China, all this is a consequence and with this we could fight, corruption will destroy Russia, that’s the main enemy, the fifth column, the root cause and it is inside the country and unfortunately, for the most part at the levers and it is like rust, slowly but surely eating away from the inside of the invincible ear called Russia.
      1. valerei
        valerei April 3 2014 11: 57
        +16
        Quote: Sergei75
        And no one wondered why in the times of the USSR there was no such mass resettlement of people from one republic to another?

        Because in the USSR there was a policy of universal employment of the population and there was work in any town, village or kishlak. Why move from your family when you have work at home? Another thing is that this work was far from always economically expedient, and in the USSR there was a concept: "planned unprofitable production"! This is how the socialist economy was organized. And registration is a serious matter, the district "snot did not chew" - they often knew their contingent by sight. And now I have not seen the district police officer for 15 - 20 years. I know - there is, like a Bigfoot: someone saw, but what is it? - unknown.
        Repeatedly on this site, a discussion on Central Asian migrants was raised, so what?, But nothing! None of the bosses reads us, so, as the saying goes, "they croaked into the mud."
        And as for this law, so we, in Russia, any black man, jumped off from the palm of money can make a teacher at the Faculty of Philology of any university.
        1. Anatoly. RUS
          Anatoly. RUS April 3 2014 14: 48
          +8
          How can a Tajik have one family of 5 people trading in socks, while sometimes disappearing somewhere? am All dress well, three of his offspring are studying at school, his wife is belly-bellied. His apartment is his own. They are impudent. They have noticed how much garbage is like pigs. And I think this not only next to me in the neighborhood, but throughout Russia.
          Already once I wrote, I will write more: ALL TERRORIST ACTS, DRUGS: they are already transported through proven channels, the more migrants there are, the greater the likelihood of terrorist attacks and drugs.
          Quote: valerei
          Repeatedly on this site, a discussion on Central Asian migrants was raised, so what?, But nothing! None of the bosses reads us, so, as the saying goes, "they croaked into the mud."

          Why are we like this? why does it really end with a "croak"? WE ARE AFRAID OF THEM ?! WE WILL FIND 1000 excuses.
          Because this is not a joke. If the bosses do not read us, then you need to look for other methods, there are a lot of smart people on the site, you have to decide how.
    4. alebor
      alebor April 3 2014 11: 02
      +14
      In this regard, a wise policy is pursued by Japan, in which there are practically no guest workers, because according to Japanese law, an entrepreneur is obliged to pay a low-skilled foreigner a salary higher than a Japanese citizen and, accordingly, it is not profitable to hire foreigners.
      We have the opposite. People are offered such a low salary that only impoverished inhabitants of Central Asia agree to work to despair. It seems to me that the logical continuation of such a policy in Russia would be the introduction of slavery, so that people generally work for free.
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  3. Trailer
    Trailer April 3 2014 08: 06
    +7
    There is an assumption that in a year somewhere else, there will be more 8-10 millions of Russians (how many there are in the south-east of Ukraine)?
    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 April 3 2014 10: 14
      +9
      Good offer!! Increase the number of Russians by joining the Slavic countries of the former social camp !!
    2. polite people
      polite people April 3 2014 11: 53
      +27
      And if there are no abortions this year,
      then there will be 8 of millions, our relatives.
  4. pts-m
    pts-m April 3 2014 08: 10
    +13
    Yes, in principle, this is not a news item. I spoke to 70 X on an urgent service talking to someone about whom the article was. So they directly said that secretaries to the KP secretly pushed them towards migration. So they said, go to RUSSIA learn to be fixed on the ground and we will come later!
  5. Delink
    Delink April 3 2014 08: 10
    +19
    Migration is not only necessary to control, you need a hard selection. NO higher education, bye.
    Cleaners and their builders missing.
    Alcohol water and drug addiction in Russia, this is really the problem number XXUMX. Especially young people drink and sit on a needle.
    1. DMB-75
      DMB-75 April 3 2014 08: 59
      +11
      Fully agree! And if we are frantically giving citizenship to all Russian-speaking people, there is a danger of increasing our fifth column.
    2. little man
      little man April 3 2014 10: 08
      +17
      Cleaners and their builders missing.
      Maybe not enough, but then we must cook. Recently, I hurt my own head and I came across a nurse of Tajik nationality, Uzbek nationality, who could not bandage anything (until the ambulance arrived and kept a gag on her forehead), and she could hardly speak Russian. Already on the doctors save.
  6. zol1
    zol1 April 3 2014 08: 18
    +33
    This "column" will be worse than our fifth column! And when they start, and this will happen sooner or later thanks to the mediocre (or even worse) policy of the government on migration, so when they start, the Kiev Maidan will seem like flowers in comparison!
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    2. creak
      creak April 3 2014 10: 40
      +9
      Exactly, but it is also true that in fact the fifth column is also those who are trying to push this bill under the guise. They are well aware of what they are doing and deliberately pushing Russia along the path of Western Europe that has already committed ethnic suicide and where the point of no return seems to have been passed ... In vain they hope that the trouble will not affect national soil — if there is anything, there will be no place to run soon, in some areas of London and the situation in Paris is already worse than in South Butovo ... Paradox - a real man who stood up to protect national dignity in France was a woman, Marie Le Pen, who led the corresponding movement ... Sailed - we are also waiting for our Joan of D, Ark?
  7. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich April 3 2014 08: 18
    +19
    The main force that will overcome illegal immigrants, should be the economy!
    Increase fees for money transfers to Central Asia, limit export
    cash means immediately result. Themselves will stop going!
  8. Gardamir
    Gardamir April 3 2014 08: 19
    +21
    Yes, in our store "indigenous" Muscovites speak their own language all day long. I don't understand anything except salam. And there are more and more of them. And they are everywhere in Vladimir, Yaroslavl ...
    1. dark_65
      dark_65 April 3 2014 09: 13
      +6
      yes ... it was in Moscow in the autumn, in shock, is this our city.
      I bought a car: the "dark-haired" salon is plowed by ours, janitors, cleaners, supermarket sellers, pies and so on, at the entrance to the subway ..... there are few blondes ...
  9. reg 71
    reg 71 April 3 2014 08: 24
    +4
    Migrants should be controlled uniquely mandatory knowledge of the Russian language, plus the study of history and respect for the Russians
    1. alebor
      alebor April 3 2014 10: 36
      +4
      The better they know the Russian language and history, the easier it is for them to get comfortable here, the more likely they are to remain here forever, naturalize. No naturalization! Gastarbaiter should have only a temporary permission to stay in Russia, worked and go home to his native village. The worse he knows Russian, the Russian history, the more foreign he feels here, the less likely he is to stay here forever.
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    3. Anatoly. RUS
      Anatoly. RUS April 3 2014 14: 55
      +5
      Quote: reg 71
      knowledge of the Russian language plus the study of history and respect for the Russians

      THIS DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
  10. Name
    Name April 3 2014 08: 28
    +12
    The import of chaos is the main danger that millions of migrants carry to Russia.- probably the one who is in the ward № ... does not understand; but "Despite the objections of the Ministry of Labor, the government commission on migration policy, which was held last week by First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov, supported the abolition of job quotas for foreign migrants from visa-free countries." - while all the attention is paid to Crimea and Ukraine, our neoliberal "government" continues to ruin Russia from within, to the delight of the Germans, Latin, bulk, Makarevichs. request
  11. k1995
    k1995 April 3 2014 08: 33
    +8
    Through one tuberculosis and venereal diseases (we have many Moldovans at the enterprise), therefore I know
  12. Alex66
    Alex66 April 3 2014 08: 34
    +25
    We do not need Asians, they are not going to learn our way of life, especially since we now do not have a state ideology from which one cannot retreat. They settle in closed groups, even in the villages, somewhere there are Chechens, somewhere Armenians they do not want to mix, it is more convenient for them to run their own "business", which is usually illegal with all that it implies. There is no benefit from them. Look at Europe, they simply capture it, force it to accept its own laws and orders from which they fled, they are a cancerous tumor that destroys everything.
  13. sv68
    sv68 April 3 2014 08: 35
    +5
    postponing the solution of the problem with migrants can lead to very fruitful results. This law doesn’t even draw on the third measure, if the representatives, for example, Moldavia, many people say in Russian, that they should give Russian citizenship something, or, for example, Turkmen learned three hundred words in Russian- bam Russian citizenship.
  14. erased
    erased April 3 2014 08: 36
    +9
    Here everything is true, the benefit of businessmen and bureaucrats turns into a disaster. Russia is already littered with migrants, it's like gunpowder - one match and everything will blaze at once! But no one really itches, because they make big money on migrants. And some of the attendants go upstairs, bureaucrats, the state apparatus and other "servants of the people." By the way, migrant workers from western Ukraine are now no better than Asians and others. Because it's even easier to push them into a riot.
    So the work of the West with migrants in Russia will only increase. And what will it lead to? The variant of Syria, Libya, is only an order of magnitude stronger. It really will be fun ... but we will not laugh.
  15. Jarik56
    Jarik56 April 3 2014 08: 45
    +18
    We in Orenburg are in abundance and behave disgustingly. Apartments are buying even in the mortgage !!! They drag their relatives, nobody wants to study (I mean children), only those who were born before 91 understand Russian. District policemen (we have more than half of Kazakhs in the police, especially at the lower level) with them at the same time. So you need to drive them and not to let!
    This is what I quoted myself (a year ago comment). But the situation only gets worse. Non-resident friends, arriving in Orenburg, say that they arrived in Dushanbe.
    1. Vadim12
      Vadim12 April 3 2014 09: 26
      +5
      When conflicts begin all over the country, pogroms of the Biryulyovo type may be considered by the authorities, but for the time being the bureaucrats gain a solid.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS April 3 2014 10: 46
        +3
        Quote: Vadim12
        When conflicts begin all over the country, pogroms of the Biryulyovo type may be considered by the authorities, but for the time being the bureaucrats gain a solid.


        There have already been pogroms, "but things are still there," the authorities do not listen and do not hear the people.
  16. sidprokaznik
    sidprokaznik April 3 2014 08: 46
    +12
    We already have too many aliens. It is alien, not even speaking in Russian. Russian abroad is a completely different matter and do not need to be given the opportunity to dump everything in one pile. The profit from cheap labor is received by a very narrow circle of business representatives and officials who provide this business with appropriate solutions. And all the real burden for the stay and socialization of migrants are borne by ordinary people (material and moral). Only tight control over those who make decisions on migration can prevent chaos, which is already close. I would generally ban the entry of labor migrants. Not all of them are Russian. Russians need to be specifically identified. All others are strangers. They have nothing to do here.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee April 3 2014 10: 17
      +10
      Quote: sidprokaznik
      All others are strangers. They have nothing to do here.

      Here I completely agree!
  17. Sibiryak13
    Sibiryak13 April 3 2014 08: 54
    +11
    Migrants are a clear misfortune. These guys need to be wrapped home. Let the native republics in the divine form lead.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z April 3 2014 15: 57
      +1
      Quote: Sibiryak13
      Migrants ... Let the native republics in the divine form lead.

      Yeah, they don’t have a job at home, they roll a barrel on the Russians, they start looking for work abroad.
      And they work in Russia, but they don’t want to bring money back to their homeland and order.
      If they are driven from Russia, again the Russians are bad, and that the roots of everything from home are growing,
      that it is the consequences of the policy of their leadership no one looks.
  18. Rohon
    Rohon April 3 2014 08: 55
    +4
    Everybody came to this rake, and England and France, so that everyone walked on them ... This is a worldwide headache, but the process goes everywhere in different ways. The more stable in the country and the higher the progress there is all like cockroaches and
    come running. Everyone has to treat and fight.
    It looks like Kaspersky in software provision .
  19. kondor-espada
    kondor-espada April 3 2014 08: 58
    +14
    But in fact, to us Russians from these (primitive) migrants there is no RESPECT and will not be. There will be some kind of thread. Excuse me (monkey) under the windows at the front door and yell over the phone in their own language probably another such (monkey) - are they there that all are deaf or what? And he does not understand that people live in the house, especially on the first floors, that it is not pleasant for them to listen to someone else’s bazaar and even in (monkey language), and when you speak to him (get away from home with your phone and yell in another place) it does not sing - why. So you want to immediately go out and slap on the head. Fully agree with the person who wrote this article!
    1. jjj
      jjj April 3 2014 12: 05
      +1
      Pour on a screaming bucket of water. This gesture of goodwill will be understood without translation from the first time. Only dial clean water. Yet we are people
  20. ed65b
    ed65b April 3 2014 09: 02
    +5
    so, with Ukraine everything goes into a sluggish scenario. laughing again we undertake migrants Caucasus and Wed.Aziyu? laughing Migrants are our people in the camp of the enemy, they need to brainwash, carry out the work Russia needs with them and send them home with a modified format. then all the countries we need will become ours without wars and migration will stop by itself. laughing Over the last rather short time, I noticed that the importance of the Russian language and its study in the CA countries has noticeably increased. Is this not a positive moment for migrants? and with ethno-crime, the police just need to fight hard without discounts and laziness.
    1. Name
      Name April 3 2014 09: 29
      0
      Agree with this:
      Quote: ed65b
      send home with a modified format
      -as not having learned the cases and the consequence of this, DO NOT RETURN!
    2. valerei
      valerei April 3 2014 12: 13
      +3
      Quote: ed65b
      Migrants are our people in the camp of the enemy, they need to brainwash, carry out the work Russia needs with them and send them home with a modified format.

      Send to where there is no work? So they went! Practically everything in the Central Asian republics was kept on subsidies from the pocket of the USSR and on specialists - Russians, Ukrainians and Germans - immigrants from the Volga region. Everything! The very local population, with the rarest exception, had a development at the level of 4 - 6 classes and this was in the USSR! I traveled a lot there and I know for sure. And now? And that is not, but Islam - the opium of the people - is fully present.
    3. Anatoly. RUS
      Anatoly. RUS April 3 2014 15: 01
      +1
      Quote: ed65b
      For the last rather short time, I noticed that the importance of the Russian language and its study in the CA countries has noticeably grown

      Citizenship is necessary !!!!!!!!!!!! HERE AND ALL INTEREST!
  21. Volgarr
    Volgarr April 3 2014 09: 19
    +13
    For all this guest worker abomination sticking Putin's ears! Good gesheft with this. Now in the center of St. Petersburg, sheep are cut, tomorrow on the threshold of the Kremlin, well, the day after tomorrow and the GDP will cut the throat right in the Kremlin !!!
    1. alebor
      alebor April 3 2014 10: 42
      +10
      I don’t know if he has a gesheft, but it was precisely in his reign that the hordes of Asians flooded our country.
      It looks like a purposeful policy. Instead of solving the demographic problem by increasing the birth rate of the indigenous population, the government chose the simpler, cheaper and treacherous path of "replacement migration", when a dying population is replaced by fertile aliens.
      1. Anatoly. RUS
        Anatoly. RUS April 3 2014 15: 08
        +3
        Quote: alebor
        the government took a simpler, cheaper and treacherous path of "replacement migration", when a dying out population is replaced by fertile aliens.

        Here now, and when these foreigners become more and more, you will think about your posterity ten times, and how my children will live among these WILDERS. recourse
        1. free
          free April 3 2014 17: 49
          +2
          And you need to do it like that, you knock a wedge with a wedge, you need to unite with your yards, friends, etc., be tolerant of yours, all the children in the sport box boxing sport a quick result, etc. in other words build communities around you, there is no more time!
          1. Anatoly. RUS
            Anatoly. RUS April 3 2014 18: 42
            +1
            Quote: free
            build communities around you

            I'm all for it, but for some reason you will find those wishing figs. Everyone is fighting and fearing.
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  22. DMB-75
    DMB-75 April 3 2014 09: 20
    +1
    And Kaliningrad is being built / the opinion of Kaliningraders / people of Alkayda here are the whole east, and near and far except Russians. And there are rumors that they are changing Kaliningrad to Kaliningradbashi. hi
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 April 3 2014 23: 48
      0
      - There is a hope that this will not happen - the other day the court decision prohibited the construction of a mosque on one of the main streets of the city ...
  23. Voenruk
    Voenruk April 3 2014 09: 26
    +14
    We do not need, Asians Islamists. Its necessary! Slavs! Orthodox!
    1. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 April 3 2014 10: 00
      +7
      I fully agree with you. Citizenship only to our Slavs Orthodox and in rare cases highly skilled specialists and scholars, these can be taken without knowledge of the Russian language.
    2. free
      free April 3 2014 18: 02
      +2
      teach children to Orthodoxy, do not be afraid of death, and faith will help your children to do the same!
  24. Crang
    Crang April 3 2014 09: 37
    +10
    As long as the power slippery, lacking any moral principles of a scum, this will go on and on.
    1. free
      free April 3 2014 18: 07
      +1
      It is necessary to fight on all fronts, for example, as I have already said, create communities around you, and it’s not too bad to throw an appeal to the president’s website and we all will be more interested than we organized here among ourselves who knows how to create an appeal on the Internet and link to it?
  25. Vladimir1960
    Vladimir1960 April 3 2014 09: 40
    +2
    One of the problems in relations with Europe is the presence in our territory of a large number of uncontrolled migrants. Europe is our neighbor. Maybe not very good, but we live in a place with them. We will establish control over migrants, introduce strict quotas for specialists, we will be better off. Then maybe with Europe there will be a little less problems.
  26. maestro123
    maestro123 April 3 2014 09: 41
    +1
    The power itself digs a hole.
    1. free
      free April 3 2014 18: 08
      +4
      she digs us
  27. Quantum
    Quantum April 3 2014 09: 42
    +5
    Absolutely stupid decision of the authorities! From the fact that this medieval okhlos
    will receive Russian citizenship, will create a huge problem. Asiats
    live by their own laws and will never be Russian.
  28. Altona
    Altona April 3 2014 09: 50
    +10
    I, too, are worried about phrases like "native Russian" ... If I learn 300-400 basic words in a foreign language for everyday communication, will I also be a "native speaker" of the language? In fact, we do not need migrants, they were needed in the USSR, but the USSR produced products 10 times more than modern Russia. With a two-fold population advantage. And now? In words, the mantra is from "modernization-innovation", but in deed, new flows of jumshuts.
  29. Owl
    Owl April 3 2014 09: 51
    +12
    A very unpleasant moment is that when flocks of "animals" enter the streets of Russian cities (not by ethnicity, but by purpose: to cut, rape, plunder, destroy), the chiefs-chiefs will be afraid to give the command for harsh suppression, for liquidation " animals "and fools who have joined them, there will be a repetition of the tragedy of" Berkut "(first" Molotov cocktail "and blows with sticks, chains, then shots of" unknown snipers "and the announcement of criminals). “Beasts” and “animals” (of any nationality and any religion) understand only strength, only fear for their lives stops the “beast” (including in “power”) from committing evil, from committing crimes, from betrayal.
  30. Natsik
    Natsik April 3 2014 10: 08
    +4
    Who is against the new draft law on the upcoming acquisition of citizenship in the Russian Federation, go to http://www.change.org/ru/, find the petition on the draft law and vote.
    1. Anatoly. RUS
      Anatoly. RUS April 3 2014 15: 18
      0
      I went to http://www.change.org/ru/, I did not find it. sad
  31. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 April 3 2014 10: 09
    +11
    Immediately stop labor emigration, there are always enough labor resources in Russia, besides there are still millions of our compatriots left in the former republics, why don't the authorities take care and return them, why Russia can regain the Crimea, and cannot allow a resettlement program (normal program) compatriots? It is necessary to ask which deputies were elected in Russia, why they do not raise such a question? why do not accept normal human laws.
  32. Gray 43
    Gray 43 April 3 2014 10: 11
    +2
    A good idea for this problem is to influence economic methods. The people we have enough, create the conditions for the Russians to move and arrange from the provinces, until they are drunk from despair
  33. rereture
    rereture April 3 2014 10: 14
    +8
    If you think about it, we already live on the verge of ethnic conflicts.

    Why do we need migrants? to produce unemployment? Push out the indigenous population?

    Not far-sighted power comes.
  34. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 April 3 2014 10: 20
    +8
    Article on the topic of the day. Indeed, under the guise of Ukrainian events, such laws are being dragged through, which pose a threat to the "Russian world." And regardless of the opinion of the people, the indigenous population of Russia. After all, we will have to clean up the consequences of this uncontrolled distribution of Russian citizenship. We should live with them! and not these lawmakers and servants of the people, who fenced themselves off from their own people with high fences of their houses with guards and darkened windows of expensive personal cars with flashing lights. Kondopoga, Biryulyovo, Pugachev, Khotkovo - is that not enough? We have canceled quotas for Gaster, now they will distribute passports to the right and to the left. What are they trying to achieve, the growth of tension in society? It looks like a betrayal of the people of the country. We need a migration filter for any other way to be in trouble, and we need to raise our own first of all, the indigenous people of Russia, i.e. those peoples of the country who have long become accustomed to each other and not in one century.
  35. RUSS
    RUSS April 3 2014 10: 26
    +8
    Everyone hoped that after the Olympics migrants tightened the nut, but it turned out the opposite.
  36. rasputin17
    rasputin17 April 3 2014 10: 30
    +9
    We are now starting to follow the path of a tolerant Europe that is being occupied by people from the Middle East and North Africa with all the consequences !! We have the same but only with people from Central Asia !!! In the end, our streets and cities will be walked by women in hijabs and their bearded men with snail brains will start organizing rallies for us and demanding recognition of their laws and orders at the PUBLIC level !!
  37. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 3 2014 10: 37
    +15
    Their millions of RUSSIAN sit without work and get drunk with grief while foreigners work all around. Everything is done to prevent Russians from living and working. And the villages and villages have already ruined everything. belay
    1. Sledgehammer
      Sledgehammer April 3 2014 12: 24
      +8
      Their millions of RUSSIAN sit without work

      As I said it like that, I got zamunovali to -2000 smile
      The country should be closed altogether from heavy labor. migration and giving work to her.
      1. Anatoly. RUS
        Anatoly. RUS April 3 2014 15: 23
        +2
        Sledgehammer + 2000 (set +) smile
    2. Savva30
      Savva30 April 3 2014 18: 03
      +4
      The parable of the elder Paisy Svyatogorts about how to choose friends
      One person decided once to consult with the elder Paisii Svyatogorts about one temptation. When he talked with his comrades who have a proud lifestyle, he himself behaved the same way. And no matter how hard I applied, I could not get better. While he was discussing how best to ask a question, someone brought a wonderful watermelon as a gift.
      Paisius took it and addressed the pilgrims with the words:
      - Since they brought a watermelon, lend me a knife to cut it. And then I will reveal to you the secret of how to make the watermelons always grow sweet and tasty.
      Then the elder began to cut the watermelon into fractions, giving each one a piece.
      When the turn came of the person who was waiting for an answer to his question, the old man looked at him with his penetrating eyes and said with a smile:
      - If you plant a watermelon and a pumpkin next to it, the following will occur: the pumpkin will take away all the sweetness from the watermelon and the watermelon will become tasteless and savory. But the pumpkin, no matter how much she takes sweets, will still remain a pumpkin. Therefore, if you want to have sweet and tasty watermelons, you need to plant them away from the pumpkin.
      And the man understood what the elder wanted to say: friends especially need to choose with analysis!
      Elder Paisios of the Holy Mountain
  38. ALEKS419
    ALEKS419 April 3 2014 10: 57
    +2
    Quote: Sergg
    It is necessary to strictly control the migration of Asians. No need to come in illusions, they are not brothers and no friends - their ultimate goal is to get comfortable here and force out the indigenous population.
    When they "start pumping rights" they will have to suppress migration by force of arms, which is much worse.
    With weapon ? Imagine what will begin !!! It is easier not to allow a malignant tumor to metastasize in the form of foci of flame conflicts on a national basis.
  39. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 3 2014 11: 07
    +7
    My old post on this topic:
    "Power will always be on the side of migrants. Under capitalism, only profit matters, and migrants are" cheaper "than local labor resources. This is an axiom. Migrants are profitable in the first place:
    - different types of "honest" entrepreneurs, as they are cheaper. It is not necessary to spend money on a migrant, especially illegal immigrants, in terms of high wages, social guarantees, and payments in terms of labor protection, honey, and so forth insurance.
    - to officials of all stripes for migrants do not require social payments and guarantees, pensions, etc. In addition, migrants provide cheap execution of contracts financed from the federal and municipal budgets.
    - employees of law enforcement agencies, because the migrant environment is a “cash cow” for these organizations, on the one hand providing a high percentage of crime for reproducing these same bodies, and on the other hand ensuring “shadow” financial well-being of law enforcement officers.
    - "shadow businesses" and other illegal entrepreneurs, as migrants provide these gentlemen with fabulous profits at the lowest cost.
    - simply to gangsters, racketeers, etc., since migrants are the nutrient medium for these elements on the one hand, and on the other hand, provides a constant supply of expendable material.
    -Medical workers, as migrants who do not have insurance, pay cash on their hands for treatment services.
    - to citizens who earn on renting apartments for rent - as migrants provide them with a constant influx of customers.
    -a heap of shadow entrepreneurs providing a "legal" and "illegal" influx of migrants, providing them with documents, work, legalization, etc.
    - to the state (inherently anti-people) in general, since migrants "lower the bar" on wages and social norms. guarantees for the local population.

    Migrants are not profitable:
    - to all other citizens. as see the line above, as well as they: constitute excessive competition in the labor market, increase crime and social. social tensions, discredit the very concept of comfortable living in a country, use all the achievements of society without giving anything in return, ruin cultural perceptions of the country with their appearance and behavior, etc.
    But, the state will do its best to protect migrants for the above reasons, and this must be firmly understood. If you remove migrants, then all the super-profits of the nouveau riche, officials and other gang parasitizing on the migrant environment "go to the forest." They will never allow this. And if you take and put in jails or even exterminate the entire population of the country, then for the leaders of the country serving the interests of the capitalist "elite" nothing bad will happen, just the pension and social services will be reduced. payments and you will have to bring in more migrants. Nothing personal, just capitalism. "
    1. free
      free April 3 2014 18: 13
      +1
      The boys are good at expressing their attitude towards migrants. It is clear that you are not interested in them, let's think about what we can do with this? Let us discuss your ideas!
  40. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 April 3 2014 11: 13
    0
    In order to stop the flow of Asian illegal immigrants, urgent measures are needed for the normal protection of borders.
    The law that simplifies the acquisition of citizenship must be amended, that this law simplifies the acquisition of citizenship for ethnic Slavs, of any profession.
    For everyone else, leave as was. Let them work. Nothing to do here.
  41. sluganska
    sluganska April 3 2014 11: 22
    +9
    For me, for example, the difficulty of obtaining Russian citizenship is the main obstacle to moving
    while one still can, but with a family with young children dumb
    If they accept a really simplified scheme, I will not think long
    1. Turkir
      Turkir April 5 2014 20: 50
      0
      Yes, it seems to have already made a decision.
  42. ALEKS419
    ALEKS419 April 3 2014 11: 31
    +6
    Quote: AlNikolaich
    The main force that will overcome illegal immigrants, should be the economy!
    Increase fees for money transfers to Central Asia, limit export
    cash means immediately result. Themselves will stop going!
    I will add + good I will add something from myself. The cash flow from the increase in the duty on transfers, can be started up in two directions - this is to the state budget and to organization of deportation of illegal immigrants .
  43. vorchyn_ymka
    vorchyn_ymka April 3 2014 11: 44
    +3
    you can write and discuss the topic of migrants even to the blue in the face, but if there is such a decision, it will be fulfilled .. all the time since 1994. when they were allowed to come to Russia, nothing literally changed ... There were more of them and authorities talk about the lack of workers More hands louder and more aggressive ... probably soon as in Ukraine, the Russian language will be banned and you will have to prove that you are a local aborigine from the 5 knee .. what
  44. polite people
    polite people April 3 2014 11: 51
    +10
    So what are we doing Russian.
    My great-great-grandfather has 12 children.
    My great-grandfather has 11 children.
    My grandfather has 5 children.
    My father has 2 children.
    What's next?
    Maybe we will begin to change the situation for the better. And the people !!!
    1. Rohon
      Rohon April 3 2014 19: 20
      +2
      How many have you got? I have 3
      1. matross
        matross April 3 2014 19: 37
        +1
        Quote: rohon
        I have 3

        Well, what to be proud of? This is the minimum reproduction. Well done - reproduced ...
        1. Rohon
          Rohon April 4 2014 06: 37
          0
          this is the only thing that is written in the passport .. hi
  45. CARLSON
    CARLSON April 3 2014 11: 54
    +4
    And somebody read the bill itself, but everyone immediately rushed to discuss it, without reading, and not knowing which rules and requirements are spelled out in it. It is quite possible that it will be simplistic to get only our compatriots who find themselves in other countries because of the collapse of the USSR, and not the entire indigenous population of all former republics.
    By the way, yesterday everyone also indiscriminately condemned our government and the State Duma that nothing is being done in support of Russians in other countries, that ethnic Russians have not been able to obtain Russian citizenship for years, Only tried to do something in this direction in the government and Duma and again everything pounced, again everything is wrong. Maybe we should already decide our desires.
    1. Savva30
      Savva30 April 3 2014 17: 56
      +1
      "We will support in the most resolute and active manner. In general, we believe that the 25 million Russians who remained behind sovereign borders should receive priority. There are many talented engineers, brave military men, worthy teachers, doctors, we must take care of our compatriots," notes Gennady Zyuganov.
      "The law provides for a simplified procedure for all native speakers of the Russian language. Since they lived in the USSR, of any nationality, they fall under this law. And here we do not want to introduce restrictions at all. Please, everyone who wants to live in Russia again or get a Russian passport, staying to live where they live today, welcome, "says Vladimir Zhirinovsky.
  46. siberalt
    siberalt April 3 2014 11: 56
    0
    Russia's migration policy is not entirely transparent, but rather muddy. I would like to start with the state ideology first of all. But she's not there. And the one that hangs in the "air" is not the merit of the state, but just the opposite.
    What lies on the surface. The Russians who were thrown by EBN need help and provide an opportunity to settle, preferably closer to Moscow. Why Moscow? Yes, there has long been developed a system of pulling the skins of migrants (regardless of nationality) on the drums of loan interest. The more drums, the less the voice of these migrants is heard. There is also another side. Millions of Russians, for example, did not move to Kazakhstan. Their ancestors lived there and were born in the Russian Empire. They built cities, factories and taught the aborigines to write. Thus, under the guise of saving the Russians from oppression, we actually recognize ourselves as owners of our own land, by the will of the pr "idurks, administratively transferred to Russia for the efficiency of grain deliveries on a tax in kind in the early 20s of the last century. Do not believe?
  47. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 3 2014 12: 07
    +5
    Quote: ele1285
    Quote: Civil
    Cheap, and most importantly completely bezpravnaya, business needs a labor, tobish the ruling class,

    And what can this disenfranchised rabsla do, except serve and bring? What business will grow with it? In the bulk, besides the officials, they are not needed by anyone, of course, some of them will work for entrepreneurs as laborers, but they will not replace skilled workers.
    Maybe they should be sent to Skolkovo?

    Yeah, it's scary to go out onto the streets of the hero city of Moscow, the capital of our Motherland, some Asians and mountain sheep (as the word Caucasians jars me), they not only "work", but also breed like rabbits, look at schools in Moscow, there are already RUSSIAN is it not in the minority, and you think this is normal !?, in the Crimea now the Russian population in percentage terms is more than in Moscow! And on television, how many films about mixed marriages, ugh, and they put it right. Russia suppressed an external enemy, but the chiriy is ripening inside, what will bureaucrats do when the people rise !?, They could not do anything in Butovo, but if the whole people get up ? THINK VOVA, THINK !!!
    1. bda
      bda April 3 2014 20: 09
      +4
      First you need to return the notorious fifth column - but for the time being we are afraid to call Russian Russian, and the Kyrgyz are talking about nothing.
  48. Flooding
    Flooding April 3 2014 12: 25
    +3
    Read the text: http://asozd2.duma.gov.ru/main.nsf/%28SpravkaNew%29?OpenAgent&RN=469727-6&02
    In my opinion, the legislators got down to the business of not standing. We need to take care not about the speakers of the Russian language, but about the carriers of Russian culture.
    Here is another wormhole found in the bill:
    Article 33. Order of recognition of a foreign citizen or stateless person as a native Russian speaker. Item 4. In the case of recognition of a foreign citizen or a stateless person as a native speaker of the Russian language, conducting a second interview is not allowed.

    What kind of idiocy? If, after the expiration of time, doubts have arisen about the legality of the commission’s decision, then it is unacceptable to retest the person for knowledge of the Russian language ???
  49. hitech
    hitech April 3 2014 12: 27
    +4
    It just gets to the point that a bunch of cattle arriving will cut someone from the local population in large numbers. Well, the people and "flare up". And there will be a bloody massacre, only on a large scale. There have already been precedents.
  50. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 3 2014 12: 31
    +7
    No matter what all the apologists of "Russia rising from its knees" say, the presence of a colossal number of poorly educated migrants just characterizes, like a litmus test, all "achievements", the result of "democratic" reforms in the economy, which quickly destroyed our powerful science-intensive industry and created, instead of it, something wretched, raw, primitive, screwdriver-requiring the annual import of millions of uneducated migrants.