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How to turn off the power from Russia: the vagaries of the United States against the energy security of Europe

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How to turn off the power from Russia: the vagaries of the United States against the energy security of EuropeThe supranational bodies of the EU decided not to limit the imposition of personal sanctions against a number of Russian officials and representatives of the business community. The theme of reducing Europe’s dependence on Russian energy supplies has intensified in the Brussels lexicon. Priority is given to reducing dependence on gas supplies from the east, because this is the most sensitive for Moscow topic of energy cooperation with the Old World. So far, everything is limited to the warning statements of European functionaries, the promotion of expert opinion with a European registration. But something on the "Brussels political kitchen" is still being prepared, and under the "sanctions sauce."


At the level of abstract reasoning, EU high-level officials suggest approaching the issue of replacing Russian gas from several directions. First of all, it points to the prospects of establishing supplies of liquefied natural gas (LNG) from the east coast of the United States. Great Britain and Poland once again stood in the pose of ardent Atlanticists, lobbying in the EU the question of buying American LNG. The political component of lobbying clearly prevails. It came to proposals to include the topic of North American gas supplies in the agreement on the Transatlantic Free Trade Zone being worked out between the US and the EU. Many Europeans prefer not to pay attention to the objective constraints of such a large-scale undertaking in relations between the US and the EU. Not that the advertised "shale revolution" in the United States is far from supplying competitively priced "blue fuel" to foreign markets, nor to the lack of adequate infrastructure for LNG supplies on the US Atlantic coast.

Causes wariness not taken by the British and Poles high rate of advancement of gas (and not only) US interests in the EU space. After London, Warsaw and Moscow have no illusions after the Crimea, and there should not be. The situation is quite different with the position of some of the continental EU members, which were most recently regarded as the closest and most consistent partners of the Russian authorities and domestic energy corporations. Recently, everyone was surprised by the statements of the head of Italy’s oil and gas company Eni, Paolo Scaroni. The first face of the partner company "No. 1" of the Russian gas corporation in Italy, which owns an 20 percent stake in the South Stream project, predicted the latter, literally, "a grim future." At the same time expressing the opinion that Italy "can live without buying gas from Russia." Just a few days earlier, Paolo Scaroni kept to a different line, emphasizing that "we need Russian gas every day. If we remain without it in the middle of winter, then we will have big problems."

South Stream was, to put it mildly, not among the favorites of the European Commission and individual EU members. Nowadays, in Brussels, it has become increasingly common to talk about the approaching "demise" of a large Russian energy project of supplying natural gas to European consumers along the bottom of the Black Sea. But to hear critical comments from the Italian partners, who quite recently could have been suspected of anything, but not in anti-Russian sentiments, was very strange. In the South Stream project, Italy was characterized by Gazprom top managers as the largest target market. The Italian Tarvisio point should take up most of the South Stream gas volume.

The management of Gazprom also noted the small chances of Russian competitors in the field of gas supplies to Europe. Neither Azerbaijan, nor Turkmenistan, nor Iran in the coming years will be able to enter the solvent market of the EU with their energy products, while making the Russian equivalent at least a kind of competition. Azerbaijani gas is intended to replace the retiring volumes of North African EU suppliers (Algeria and Libya). And also to provide Turkey with more comfortable conditions during periods of winter cooling. No more than that, they believe in Gazprom. The development of the second phase of the Azerbaijani Shah - Deniz field promises to supply to Europe up to 16 billion cubic meters of gas. With such a volume, Baku will not be able to make the weather on the European market, whose demand for gas over the past year amounted to about 550 billion cubic meters.

The issue of supplies of Turkmen gas depends entirely on the construction of the Trans-Caspian gas pipeline. There are no serious reasons to hope for laying a pipeline across the Caspian Sea during the upcoming 5-7 years. In addition, the real export opportunities of the Central Asian republic in the western direction do not seem to be absolutely verified. According to the forecasts of the Turkmen government, by 2016, the export of natural gas from the republic could reach 80,7 billion cubic meters. m, and to 2030-mu - 180 billion cubic meters. According to forecasts of foreign “appraisers”, in particular, from the International Energy Agency, by 2035, Turkmenistan will extract (note, only extract, and not export) no more than 138 billion cubic meters. m per year. Ashgabat’s plan for production in 2030 was raised to annual 230 billion cubic meters.

With Euroatlantists, Iran has a special история relationship. The last months have led to a noticeable improvement in the political climate between Tehran and the Western capitals. But until the complete settlement of mutual claims far. Europeans' hope for Iranian gas as a kind of "substitute" for Russian energy resources comes across not only the wall of persisting contradictions between the West and Iran in the Middle East and beyond. Tehran set a course for a qualitative breakthrough in its oil and gas industry, ensuring the growth of export supplies of oil and gas to a level that preceded the imposition of sanctions and higher. The emphasis is on attracting Western investment and technology, without which the Iranians will not be able to reach large volumes of external gas supplies in a short time. Natural gas consumption in Iran has doubled in 10 years: from 71 billion cubic meters. m in 2002 year to 140 billion cubic meters. m in 2012-m. Satisfying one’s own demand in energy resources does not contribute to increasing the export potential of Iran’s gas industry in the coming years.

For Europeans, the north-Iraqi seems to be even more elusive for gas imports. According to Euro-Atlantic plans, the most distant stage of expanding the gas supply base to Europe along the Southern Gas Corridor route (the total capacity of the projected Trans-Anatolian (TANAP) and Trans-Adriatic (TAP) gas pipelines) is the deployment of promising fields in Northern Iraq. It implies a three-stage output of the "Southern Gas Corridor" in full load mode. At the first stage, part of the European demand will be met by the production of Azerbaijani gas. Then, Turkmen gas will be injected into the pipe of the Southern Gas Corridor. And to bring the project to a level comparable to Russian supplies to Europe at the next, more distant stage, gas from the fields of Northern Iraq will allow. Such a phased arrangement of accents can be traced, for example, in the position of US energy diplomacy. Prior to his appointment as US ambassador to Azerbaijan, Richard Morningstar did a great job in promoting the idea of ​​the Southern Gas Corridor. For example, in November 2011 at the time of the meeting with Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev at that time, the special envoy of the US Secretary of State for Eurasian Energy Affairs Richard Morningstar expressed the opinion that the project should start with a smaller pipeline that can be expanded when new volumes of gas are available.

According to Gazprom representatives, by 2025, Europe’s demand for imported gas will be 145 billion cubic meters. m, and by the year 2030 will grow to 200 billion. In connection with the growth of European gas demand, the Russian corporation has previously expressed its willingness to “supply gas as much as Europe needs or wants.” At the end of last year, Gazprom sold 161,5 billion cubic meters of gas to the EU, closing up to 30% of the European market. The dependence of six EU countries on Russian gas supplies is estimated at 100%. These are Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, the three Baltic republics and Finland. The European "locomotives" depend on the supply of energy from the East to a lesser degree, but far from being comfortable for them (in terms of opposition to Russia around Ukraine). Germany covers up to 30% of its needs with the purchase of Russian gas, Italy - 38%.

The conclusion suggests one, no matter how depressing for European functionaries. Replacing Russian gas for Europe is theoretically possible after at least 10 years. But only at the cost of deepening political confrontation between the EU and Russia, the destruction of established economic ties, fraught for the EU labor market, its energy security with insurmountable challenges. Much will depend on the readiness of the largest economies of continental Europe to go on deprivation for the sake of a narrow in its content and resembling the whims of the “putting Russia in place” prompted from overseas. Are Germany, Italy, and other close economic partners of Russia ready to put the indicated goal into dogma, dooming themselves and others to years of confrontation? Which will be followed by not less difficult years of searching for ways to restore the previous economic relationship between Europe and Russia.
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  1. patriot123
    patriot123 April 2 2014 15: 29
    +28
    it's big like a dream !! dream on! crawl still to the Russian Federation!
    1. Sergei75
      Sergei75 April 2 2014 15: 43
      +87
      And here in the Smolensk region, near Vyazma, in the village of Staraya Derevnya, a war veteran has no gas supply! And "defeated Europe" does!
      1. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson April 2 2014 16: 13
        +95
        but such things need to be posted, preferably with a full name and address, if there is a photo, upload it. There are journalists who will wave away and there will be another count in w. at the governor. Immediately there is gas and a house.
        1. Ased
          Ased April 2 2014 16: 20
          +30
          Quote: kirieeleyson
          but such things need to be posted, preferably with a full name and address, if there is a photo, upload it. There are journalists who will wave away and there will be another count in w. at the governor. Immediately there is gas and a house.


          In! And more often! In Internet publications such topics, and even on the eve of May 9, need to be covered!
          1. GreatRussia
            GreatRussia April 2 2014 17: 56
            +40
            The largest Russian exporters are ready to convert the calculations on export deliveries into rubles, thereby reducing the dependence of the Russian economy on US dollars, said VTB head Andrei Kostin.

            Gazprom, Rosneft and Rosoboronexport together export products worth $ 230 billion a year. I spoke with the leaders of these companies. They are not opposed to exporting in rubles. They just need to be given an appropriate mechanism, "said Kostin, speaking at the congress of the Association of Russian Banks in Moscow on Wednesday.

            Thus, Russia will be able to "reduce its dependence on the whims of the US and EU authorities," Kostin stressed.

            http://www.vestifinance.ru/articles/41309
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            2. Stalker
              Stalker April 2 2014 18: 43
              +37
              Europe will never accept economic sanctions against Russia, because for her, Russia is a strategic partner, and Ukraine is a sexual partner. laughing
            3. Antor
              Antor April 2 2014 20: 20
              +12
              That they didn’t know about this before, why we wait all the time for "a roast cock to bite in one place." We need not only to talk about the greatness of our Motherland, patriotism, etc., but also concretely, in a constant, and not swooped down, regime to think and implement projects of our economic independence not in words and not in slogans.
              I don't know what else needs to happen, what sanctions need to be introduced so that all of us, and especially those in power, understand that it is impossible to integrate all the time before the loss of national security and grovel in front of the West and the United States, risking at one point to wake up in another country, as it happened in the USSR. It's time to really revise politicians and business from the standpoint of not only their national orientation, but also to see who exactly interferes with the implementation of such mechanisms, does not help our business to be so nationally oriented. , we are not limited by anything in printing and we not only fill with our resources, but we also "cry" that they "run away" from us. So in the first quarter of 2014, more than $ 20 billion has flowed under the bridge, as Mrs. Nabiulina reported bitterly. Is it under her leadership that the ruble symbol looks like a sign with a dash across (to an ignorant person it may seem that it was simply crossed out)
              So it’s necessary that they don’t cross out, so that not only the RUSSIA bank switched to rubles, but also our entire country, its economy. I am only for and I think many Russians will support me!
              1. Ivan Petrovich
                Ivan Petrovich April 2 2014 22: 56
                +3
                while the liberals are in power, nothing like this will happen
                1. Aptimist
                  Aptimist April 3 2014 07: 37
                  0
                  This is where you saw the liberals there in power ???
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              2. lg41
                lg41 April 2 2014 23: 40
                0
                Absolutely the right position! It’s joyful to realize that in Russia there are people like you!
              3. Sergei75
                Sergei75 April 3 2014 11: 51
                0
                And here again the question arises of dual citizenship, in which case, these guys can always (not hope, not possible, but they can!) Jump to the west, their family has long been there. Notice which of the main sanctions of the West? They threaten to freeze the accounts of our bureaucrats (which means there is something to freeze, but ours are not stupid, no one keeps all their eggs in one basket).
                We must admit the fact that among us is full of traitors, saboteurs and saboteurs.
                And as Humpbacked, in a few years, he will declare that he had long wanted to ruin the USSR, and we, the simple workers and employees who regularly pay taxes, will be guilty of all their sins.
            4. SS68SS
              SS68SS April 2 2014 21: 03
              +8
              Russian products - payment should be in rubles ... Russia ahead !!!!
            5. SS68SS
              SS68SS April 2 2014 21: 03
              0
              Russian products - payment should be in rubles ... Russia ahead !!!!
              1. polite people
                polite people April 2 2014 21: 08
                +3
                Russians rule.
                http://youtu.be/O8xdwdYcopM
            6. timer
              timer April 2 2014 22: 49
              +3
              If this happens, it will be great! To this, I would add one more serious proposal: to nullify the private banking system in the Russian Federation by economic methods, and build a state banking system (for example, from 10-12 specialized banks), and also subordinate the Central Bank Ministry of Finance (or Treasury).
            7. papas-57
              papas-57 April 3 2014 05: 01
              +5
              And it can really reduce the dependence on the Russian gas of the most impatient countries (Great Britain, Poland and the other most boisterous) and disconnect them from the gas pipe in the fall, and then listen to how they will scream and on what topic. By the way, Poles need to be taught for a long time so that they would follow the bazaar and answer for their words (as well as offended Baltic states).
              1. Aptimist
                Aptimist April 3 2014 07: 39
                +2
                And not only the Poles, the Balts the same !!!!
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            8. papas-57
              papas-57 April 3 2014 05: 01
              +2
              And it can really reduce the dependence on the Russian gas of the most impatient countries (Great Britain, Poland and the other most boisterous) and disconnect them from the gas pipe in the fall, and then listen to how they will scream and on what topic. By the way, Poles need to be taught for a long time so that they would follow the bazaar and answer for their words (as well as offended Baltic states).
          2. sawmill
            sawmill April 2 2014 18: 07
            +25
            What kind of gas is there, in the Krasnoyarsk Territory in the village of Nevonka, Boguchansky District, there lives a war veteran, an artilleryman fighting on the Kursk Bulge with the Germans. He lives in the summer kitchen. Water from the barrel, toilet-type toilet on the street. In winter, frost -45 is not uncommon, but 87's grandfather is in years.
            Addresses, names and videos about his life, see the link.

            http://www.angara-info.su/clauses/blog-2-go-redaktora/nashi-veterany/

            And you're here about gas. By the way, gas wells in the area of ​​darkness, dozens, if not hundreds.
            1. GreatRussia
              GreatRussia April 2 2014 18: 33
              +9
              Quote: sawmill
              What kind of gas is there, in the Krasnoyarsk Territory in the village of Nevonka, Boguchansky District, there lives a war veteran, an artilleryman fighting on the Kursk Bulge with the Germans. He lives in the summer kitchen. Water from the barrel, toilet-type toilet on the street. In winter, frost -45 is not uncommon, but 87's grandfather is in years.
              Addresses, names and videos about his life, see the link.

              http://www.angara-info.su/clauses/blog-2-go-redaktora/nashi-veterany/

              And you're here about gas. By the way, gas wells in the area of ​​darkness, dozens, if not hundreds.

              And what the hell? All veterans, according to the adopted law, were to be given apartments.
              It’s necessary to deal with local authorities, in fact, what is written in your link.
              Instead of green waste paper, this clearly does not apply to selling gas for rubles.
              1. Shaki's memory
                Shaki's memory April 2 2014 20: 44
                +3
                am Yeah .. a house 2 km from the border with St. Petersburg. Father is a disabled person of the 2nd group, and for the gas supply to the house they ripped off almost 200 rubles .. Although friends in other regions said that they were connected for free (((
                1. brelok
                  brelok April 3 2014 07: 54
                  0
                  Quote: Shaka's Memory
                  .Although friends in other regions said that they connect for free (((

                  Bashkiria - minimum 70000 r connection
              2. Vasek
                Vasek April 3 2014 06: 20
                0
                Quote: GreatRussia
                All veterans, according to the adopted law, were to be given apartments.

                Laughter through tears!
                Tell that to those who "owe", and they reply - "from whom did we borrow?"
                They would drive them naked with a whip in the village where veterans themselves chop firewood at the age of 90!
            2. Walk
              Walk April 2 2014 19: 05
              +3
              I looked at the site. Blinded on the knee. All articles are reprints of the liberoid press. Something doubts gnaw at me that everything that you write is true. I will ask a question to friends in Boguchany on occasion. And look on the map where this Nevonka is located. This is not a village, but a village far beyond the Boguchans, where civilization ends. Judging by the map there are twenty yards. If you follow your logic, then the United States should have held gas in the middle of the Nevada desert.
              1. sawmill
                sawmill April 3 2014 06: 08
                -1
                Are you in doubt? It's good. Come see how the veteran lives. Why trust other people's eyes. Just do not pull the check.

                As for the map, it’s convenient for you, but it’s more convenient for me with my own eyes, I personally visit Nevonka several times a month.

                And count gas wells around, pull gas very far, just like Nevada.
            3. asar
              asar April 2 2014 19: 50
              +6
              Yes, and we have such villages in Bashkiria!
            4. skalozub
              skalozub April 2 2014 23: 00
              +3
              Yes, I looked at the link ... shame on our officials ... should be imprisoned
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        3. serega.fedotov
          serega.fedotov April 2 2014 17: 08
          +14
          Quote: kirieeleyson
          but such things need to be posted, preferably with a full name and address, if there is a photo, upload it. There are journalists who will wave away and there will be another count in w. at the governor. Immediately there is gas and a house.

          The village where my mother lives "From Shevyrevka of the Tatishevsky District of the Saratov region" is located 12 km from the city 2 times showed reports that there is no gas or water in the village. And to our governor, fuck!
          1. GreatRussia
            GreatRussia April 2 2014 19: 19
            +5
            Quote: serega.fedotov
            And to our governor, nasr ...!

            Go and get this governor removed. What is the problem of the local population?
          2. lg41
            lg41 April 2 2014 23: 43
            0
            Down with such a governor! He takes someone else's place
            1. Aptimist
              Aptimist April 3 2014 07: 44
              0
              It was not you who set it (unfortunately) nor you to clean it !!!
              Here you have your illiberal vertical !!! According to us (us) it beats !!!
        4. tommytros
          tommytros April 2 2014 17: 34
          +8
          "Such" things are in Russia at every turn. Even the MO is 90% gasified.
          Ask why?
          There are two main reasons:
          1. The cost of connecting a private house is 100-240 thousand rubles, only this year Mosoblgaz promised to reduce prices by 10 times to 10-25 thousand rubles.
          2. The main - neither the government nor the gas industry - this is not necessary !!! What they have is more than enough for them. People have been running after them for years, wanting to get connected, giving bribes of 200-300 thousand rubles, and still their gas workers feed only promises.
          1. oldstaryi
            oldstaryi April 3 2014 03: 59
            0
            Plus, tariffs that are inflated 5-6 times. I put the gas meter (which is still an epic) and immediately began to pay less than 10 times!
          2. Vasek
            Vasek April 3 2014 06: 30
            +3
            Quote: tommytros
            The main - neither the government nor the gas industry - this is not necessary !!! What they have is more than enough for them.

            good
            100%!
            Their main concern is His Majesty Export and the problems of Global Domination, and how veterans live in the outback - we are army! Unless on May 9, pat on the shoulder! (minus).
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      2. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN April 2 2014 16: 59
        +5
        Our trouble is ............... urbanization, especially intensified in the 90s, 00s ........... mass desolation of villages, villages .... ..... About 8 years ago he was driving a car through Moscow to St. Petersburg .... he gave a lift to a grandfather of about 70, he also says there is no gas, there are power outages, there are 5 residential buildings in the village, the rest are boarded up ...... ... And this is in the very center of Russia, between two capitals ...............
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat April 3 2014 12: 54
          0
          You know, this worries all smart people, at all times. Take Germany for example. During the Weinmar Republic, a colossal number of people from the countryside flocked to the cities in search of work. Why did this happen? Because the village went bankrupt because of the sanctions which the victors in the First World War imposed on Germany. Due to contributions, salaries in industry, and everywhere else, were scanty, which did not allow people to support the economy of their country with their money. Germany was prohibited from having its own banking system - all banks were required to be commercial and the brand was regulated by banks in France and England. In Germany, colossal unemployment began, the cities were overflowing with unemployed, bankrupt farmers, etc. No matter how we feel about Hitler, we must admit that he clearly saw what was hindering the development of the country and what had to be done in order for the country to start developing. First of all, he nationalized the banking system (in this, he was helped by the patriotic oligarchic elite, we have such a number, unfortunately, it will not work), removed all commercial banks, thereby ensuring the stability of the brand. Then he began to transform the country and its economy. As for agriculture, even then he realized that it was necessary to bring living conditions in the city and in the countryside as close as possible, for which he proclaimed the slogan: "Every German village, every farm must be connected by an autobahn or paved road. the German house must have light and sewage! " But to proclaim a little, all this was practically done by the hands of the same unemployed who were thus taken out of the crowded cities. I am very negative about Hitler because of his subsequent crimes against humanity, but as one writer put it: “If Hitler had not started World War II and died in 1939, he would have remained one of the most respected politicians in Germany. if not the most revered. "
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      4. RUSS
        RUSS April 2 2014 17: 09
        +6
        Quote: Sergei75
        And here in the Smolensk region, near Vyazma, in the village of Staraya Derevnya, a war veteran has no gas supply! And "defeated Europe" does!


        In my native Moscow and Tver regions, the situation with gasification is the same, but Gazprom drives advertising on TV - "we are like the most all countries and continents we will suppress", and in our native villages and villages everything is as in the 19th century.
        1. max702
          max702 April 2 2014 20: 19
          +10
          But during the Soviet Union in Moldova, Ukraine, Georgia, every doghouse was gasified and paved ... right now, the "brotherly" peoples are offended at us and why we don't feed and supply them as before, ENOUGH! Divorce so divorce! Got a maiden name .. That's it! Payment at world prices! But with this money, and finally equip mother Russia! By God, only more respect will be freebie is over.
          1. lg41
            lg41 April 2 2014 23: 45
            0
            No need to tell such tales. Far from it
          2. Vasek
            Vasek April 3 2014 06: 57
            0
            Quote: max702
            But during the USSR, in Moldova, Ukraine, Georgia, every doghouse was gasified

            Either you, Maxim, don’t know what you're raving about, or you just start a crowd.
            In Moldova, for example, not every person (keep a doghouse - keep yourself!) Has gas.
            And they pay not 200, not 400 (as in Ukraine), but 500 dollars per 1000 cubic meters, i.e. 2 times more expensive than homo-European "partners", while having the lowest income in Europe. And they don't whine about Russia ripping them off. And there, running around, almost half of the Russian-speaking population speaking for the TS!
      5. Ivan Tucha
        Ivan Tucha April 2 2014 17: 34
        +7
        Alas, there are a lot of such examples in our country.
        In the Novgorod region there are villages where there is still no light (for example, Nekrasovo near M. Vishera), not like gas. This is only 180 km from St. Petersburg, and even less from V. Novgorod.
        1. kirieeleyson
          kirieeleyson April 2 2014 18: 54
          +3
          Here are just a few examples. But our remaining veterans need help. In any case, information about the situation needs to be covered, shared everywhere, with specific individuals and contacts.
        2. IgorM
          IgorM April 2 2014 21: 54
          +1
          I can’t believe it, somehow, now and so badly. But it’s true, I saw it myself. It is necessary to invest money in the country, a fact.
      6. asar
        asar April 2 2014 19: 48
        +1
        for Gazprom, apparently, super-profits in the form of foreign currency are "more expensive" than their own people! though the advertisements about the national property, which has set the teeth on edge, keeps repeating!
      7. Alekssever
        Alekssever April 2 2014 19: 49
        +3
        Of course, veterans need to create all conditions for a normal life. What is there in Smolensk, in the north, in the Komi Republic, gas and oil are produced, and almost half of the inhabitants live without gas. This is true.
      8. Vasek
        Vasek April 3 2014 06: 08
        0
        Quote: Sergei75
        And here in the Smolensk region, near Vyazma, in the village of Staraya Derevnya, a war veteran has no gas supply! And "defeated Europe" does!

        So why is "transferring the pipe" from THEM to US (as well as to China, etc.) not to our advantage?
      9. brelok
        brelok April 3 2014 07: 51
        0
        Quote: Sergei75
        And here in the Smolensk region, near Vyazma, in the village of Staraya Derevnya, a war veteran has no gas supply! And "defeated Europe" does!

        the market inside Russia is more than deliveries to Europe! Gazprom should not forget about it.
      10. potap48a
        potap48a April 3 2014 09: 19
        +1
        I live in the city of Cherepovets, Vologda Oblast, with a population of 350 people, and I also have no gas and is not expected in the near future. So that!
    2. svetlomor
      svetlomor April 2 2014 15: 45
      +11
      One conclusion suggests itself, no matter how depressing for European functionaries it is. Replacing Russian gas for Europe is theoretically possible after at least 10 years.
      By that time, the subject of dispute, Ukraine, will disappear, and gas will already go to China at full speed.
      1. DEMENTIY
        DEMENTIY April 2 2014 17: 01
        +3
        Good topic! In the spirit of the saying: "A good show is more expensive than money." Nu-nu ...
    3. twviewer
      twviewer April 2 2014 16: 01
      +6

      you need to look for the right partners.
      our yellow-faced friends know exactly what fate promises to everyone who wants to "put Russia in its place," they studied for a long time, now they are trying it themselves.
      1. TekhnarMAF
        TekhnarMAF April 2 2014 16: 39
        +10
        China, a loyal partner, as long as it needs us, and when (as the states) realizes that it can take without money, problems again! Well, when we will understand that Russia is S A M O D S T A T O CH N Z !!! To trade, to "be friends" - for God's sake. But dictating your own rules is fraught!
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        2. FREGATENKAPITAN
          FREGATENKAPITAN April 2 2014 17: 03
          +3
          Like it or not, China remains a state with a communist ideology, respectively, the United States remains the main (and I hope for a long time) enemy, and Russia in this business is the main partner and ally supplying modern equipment and technologies ........ ......... So, I think we will not see the open confrontation between the Russian Federation and the PRC for a long time (if at all)!
          1. Ivan Petrovich
            Ivan Petrovich April 2 2014 23: 02
            +1
            or raw appendage
        3. twviewer
          twviewer April 2 2014 18: 20
          +4
          if nobody needs you what partner are you? you are a burden. so the conversation is not about exchanging strings for gas, but about integrated cooperation.
          In addition, Europe has fully manifested itself in 20 years, hardly anyone has any illusions about this. There, the cooperation is primitive, wherever someone is robbed. For development, we need technology, equipment and money. All this is in China. China needs defense industry and resources.
          In the West, no one will give technologies, and we won’t pull up the prices for them, we need to act like Peter I, entice specialists, let the corporations choke, take loot and equipment from China and build, build, build.
    4. avg
      avg April 2 2014 16: 26
      +37
      One cool sanctioner had already jumped.
      From April 7 this year, beef imports from Australia will cease. The Rosselkhoznadzor explains the decision by the content of tranbolone in Australian beef.
      Indeed, Argentinean meat is not an example healthier.
      Australian neighbor - "New Zealand" immediately hid the tongue ... recourse
      Who's next?
      Personally, my health is very harmful to Polish sausages, Baltic sprats and dairy products, and they have little order in the ports ... No.
      1. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN April 2 2014 17: 05
        +12
        Thanks Kenguryatins already ate in the 90s ........ under the guise of beef ............... fiery greetings to Australian rabbits!
        1. Sergh
          Sergh April 2 2014 18: 38
          +9
          Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
          Kenguryatins thank you already ate in the 90s

          Yes, the other day I read how kanguryatina is mined in Australia. So I’ll tell you from memory. The shooting of wild kenguryatins is carried out by a team of hunters under license, where after the dead carcass must be delivered to the refrigeration base, but of course, until the full trailer is shot, the car will not be sent, and at least two hundred km to the nearest refrigerator. So it takes more than a day to complete the loading and several hours on the road. The weather in Australia, it must be assumed, is also not sugar, it is + 20 + 30 ° C, the meat comes in dirty and covered with fresh apricot, the regime is not maintained in the refrigerator and instead of -5 ° C, the temperature reaches + 10 ° C.

          Further, the carcasses are sent for cutting and certification, where norms are also often violated. Many reputable countries have refused kenguryatin meat, but Russia is almost the last of them, of course, countries of the African continent and many others are willing to buy this meat, and in Australia itself it is more expensive than beef, as it has very good organizational indicators, but local ones don’t respect. They do not respect eating because they consider it immoral to eat an animal that is depicted on the coat of arms of their country.
          Well, maybe he missed it, but somehow.
        2. asar
          asar April 2 2014 19: 55
          +2
          terrible rubbish, it should be noted!
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      3. andrewvlg
        andrewvlg April 2 2014 19: 50
        +5
        Quote: avg
        Polish sausage, Baltic sprats and dairy products are very harmful to my health, Yes, and in the ports they have little order ...

        LGBT, nothing can be done!
      4. Arkan
        Arkan April 2 2014 20: 02
        +2
        Personally, my health is very harmful to Polish sausage, Baltic sprats and dairy products


        Trebukha, passed off as sausage, can be "eaten" and domestic, and our "mass graves" (sprats) can also be made. Let them overeat and revel in vanatallinns.
      5. Turkir
        Turkir April 2 2014 23: 37
        0
        And in German beer, the Germans found something like formaldehyde. No kidding.
    5. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 April 2 2014 19: 14
      0
      it's big like a dream !! dream on! crawl still to the Russian Federation!
      when they start to think with an ass and not with their heads, then such funny things happen.
    6. krechet-1978
      krechet-1978 April 2 2014 20: 01
      -1
      I apologize, but here on the same site http://topwar.ru/42667-vvs-shveycarii-protiv-vseh.html# under the article "Swiss Air Force. Against everyone!" an interesting discussion is underway on the topic "How to capture Switzerland without using nuclear weapons." The representative of the Swiss army (Kassandra) fiercely opposes almost immediately. Try yourself as a strategist - take over Switzerland (command post game online). Join)
    7. Wladimir71
      Wladimir71 April 2 2014 20: 03
      0
      do not crawl, since the supply contract is at least fifty dollars
    8. fif21
      fif21 April 2 2014 21: 06
      +3
      This is called a preemptive move. They say to Russia: We will punish you for disobedience with sanctions, and you cannot do anything to us. We are not dependent on your raw materials. They lie and lie again, if that were true, they would break the contracts with Gazprom. What kind of people? they are afraid and they lie, they lie and they are afraid!
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  2. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS April 2 2014 15: 33
    +23
    While dollars are being printed and they are all accepted, they rule the planet. Without a dollar, they are NOBODY! He printed the paper and bought a country for it, it seems silly, but it is!
    1. bvi1965
      bvi1965 April 2 2014 17: 09
      +4
      I totally agree. good
    2. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov April 2 2014 22: 19
      -2
      Absolutely to the point! But so far the average person believes in the dollar most of all, and as a rule he turns out to be right! Because almost no one believes in the ruble. The ruble rests on oil and gas sales, and they sell them for dollars!
      1. lg41
        lg41 April 2 2014 23: 55
        0
        DO NOT do this! This is a betrayal of Russia
    3. lg41
      lg41 April 2 2014 23: 53
      0
      You are absolutely right
  3. johnsnz
    johnsnz April 2 2014 15: 33
    +6
    Well, yes ... go to the Americans. Not only do they put you in cancer, now you’ll become slaves in general. And Gazprom has never thrown!
    1. Sergei75
      Sergei75 April 2 2014 15: 46
      +14
      No, all the same, what a smart man Leonid Ilyich was, he put all of Europe on the oil and gas needle as a counterweight to the United States.
      No wonder he said, bury a booty to the top, otherwise you'll kiss me where ..
      1. waisson
        waisson April 2 2014 16: 57
        +22
        planted not only Europe laughing
        1. waisson
          waisson April 2 2014 17: 00
          +9
          and here we are on another who put
      2. tolancop
        tolancop April 2 2014 18: 22
        +4
        And I, by the way, remember the beginning of the 80s, when gas pipelines were being built with might and main. I had a chance at that time to talk with one not the most stupid man. I told him: "What the hell do we need these gas pipelines, our property to Europe to pump?" In response he received: "You still understand little ... This is politics. KRANTIK will always be with US !!!".

        But the fact that in Russia with gasification, to put it mildly, not everything is smooth, does not go into any gates ...
  4. psychologist
    psychologist April 2 2014 15: 33
    +14
    as the GDP said - and what will you drown ?? firewood ?? it’s also necessary to go to Siberia for firewood !! they have no alternative !!
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev April 2 2014 15: 47
      +13
      Quote: psychologist
      as the GDP said - and what will you drown ?? firewood ?? it’s also necessary to go to Siberia for firewood !! they have no alternative !!

      In general, there is an alternative: oil, LNG, coal, windmills, dung and firewood for the countryside.
      There is no alternative for convenience, reliability, environmental friendliness and price. request wink
      If Gazprom’s pipe gas costs a couple cents cheaper, they’ll take it!
      Cry with anger, but buy. yes
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru April 2 2014 16: 23
        +7
        Quote: Alekseev
        If Gazprom’s pipe gas costs a couple cents cheaper, they’ll take it!
        Cry with anger, but buy.

        There is a good anecdote on the topic: "The mice cried, injected, spat, but continued to chew on the cactus." Bon appetit!
    2. Maks-80
      Maks-80 April 2 2014 15: 59
      +11
      They still fellows from nuclear energy refused laughing
      1. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson April 2 2014 16: 23
        +5
        I just wanted to write, but then I looked and ... I was almost stunned by the constructed nuclear power plants, Europe will be a single Chernobyl, if there is a batch. No nuclear missiles are needed, only OTRK can be worked out and that’s all ...
        zinc: http://www.seogan.ru/component/com_artgeotag/Itemid.913/view,artgeotag/
      2. Ased
        Ased April 2 2014 17: 01
        0
        We are building nuclear plants too !!!
        1. thrower
          thrower April 2 2014 17: 34
          -3
          In fact, we can build nuclear power plants and the French. France, for example, built Fukushima.
          1. tolancop
            tolancop April 2 2014 18: 25
            +7
            But isn't Fukushima the American General Electric marked?
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      4. Simon
        Simon April 2 2014 17: 11
        +8
        They are great! They do it right. Now they will heat wood stoves, and better dung, from Kazakhstan it will be possible to buy for gold, and it’s convenient to carry it in wagons. laughing
        1. Ased
          Ased April 2 2014 17: 29
          +6
          In fact, Europe is not in that situation, something to be capricious!
          They themselves have problems above the roof, and with energy "help" the United States will only increase.
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        3. delfinN
          delfinN April 2 2014 19: 16
          0
          Quote: Simon
          Now they’ll heat the stoves with wood, and better with dung, laughing

          Out of their poor folly, they have one tactic: they don’t give a shit under the neighbor’s door, ring the doorbell and ask for toilet paper)
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          2. vagabundo55
            vagabundo55 April 3 2014 00: 00
            0
            What if a boxing neighbor?
        4. INVESTOR
          INVESTOR April 2 2014 19: 36
          +2
          I’ve been to Egypt in 2007, they took us on a tour to the Bedouins in the desert ... They don’t sit there, they roast cakes on camel shit ... Satisfied !!!
          It is necessary to show such excursions to Europeans more often .. there will be something to compare ..
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          2. siberalt
            siberalt April 2 2014 23: 05
            +2
            By the way, imported flour for tortillas. More likely from Ukraine. laughing And camels can also go on strike.
        5. zvereok
          zvereok April 2 2014 19: 39
          +1
          And we pay for transit.
        6. anarh
          anarh April 2 2014 21: 52
          0
          Quote: Simon
          Now they will heat wood stoves, and better dung, from Kazakhstan it will be possible to buy for gold, and it’s convenient to carry it in wagons.

          Through Russia. wink
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          2. siberalt
            siberalt April 2 2014 23: 07
            +2
            You look, and rent for our "Baikonur" will pay off. laughing You give dung transportation to Europe for launching Russian missiles!
  5. johnsnz
    johnsnz April 2 2014 15: 35
    +2
    European functionaries - Gayropeyskie frictionaries! laughing
  6. Ased
    Ased April 2 2014 15: 37
    +2
    Of course, Europe will listen to what the United States will offer to resolve a possible gas problem. But only that. The cold will not forgive them in winter.
  7. mamont5
    mamont5 April 2 2014 15: 37
    0
    Yes, they dream about it tirelessly, as soon as Russia began to rise after the devastation of the 90's. That's just not working out. So it is now. It would be possible to cope with the crisis, and not to promote new expensive projects to their ruin.
  8. JoylyRoger
    JoylyRoger April 2 2014 15: 39
    +2
    These are all show-offs, more precisely Euro-mounts))) With the current level of technology, they will not go anywhere, even if we take into account that the energy intensity of the Polish and German economy is much lower than Ukraine, it will bend without gas anyway. And they themselves perfectly understand this.
  9. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 2 2014 15: 40
    +1
    No, not a dream. The dream of the Americans to "throw" Russia out of the European gas market will begin to materialize already in 2015, when the construction of gas terminals for liquefied gas will end there. The Americans have embarked on an intensified expansion of their gas and oil to the European market and they will achieve their goal, but how can we be, the question is. There is no hope for China as a permanent buying partner, because the insidious Chinese will not slow down to "bend" Russia in full, both in price and in terms of the supply of natural gas, as soon as they see that we have nowhere to go. Yes, they have already begun to "bend" us - Gazprom is planning to sign a price agreement with China at the end of December last year, but the Chinese were pulling the "rubber", and now they completely "froze" it - they are waiting for better times, and unfortunately time is working for them ...
    1. Arbatov
      Arbatov April 2 2014 15: 48
      +3
      China also has nowhere to go, with its growing energy-intensive economy. They will cheat, they will cheat, but Gazprom will not outsmart.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat April 2 2014 16: 10
        -9
        Yes, yes, "they will not outsmart" .., but what for, then, the Chinese are building giant terminals for receiving liquefied gas, which will be ready, also by 2015? AND? Russia does not have terminals for the production and transportation of liquefied gas by sea, but Qatar and Saudi Arabia do. So think about who ALREADY outwitted whom.
        1. f.lourens
          f.lourens April 2 2014 17: 02
          +7
          You are mistaken, in the north, in the region of the Gulf of Ob, they are already building a plant for GHG liquefaction, and there is a port there, and if they still build a branch from the Urals, then metal will go to Asia through this port along the North Sea and not only ... at this intensity, the need for icebreakers practically disappears hi
        2. Alekseev
          Alekseev April 2 2014 17: 04
          +20
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          Russia does not have terminals for the production and transportation of liquefied gas by sea-

          What did you grab onto this very liquefied gas?
          Firstly, in Russia, the terminals are already ready-Sakhalin (soon all of Japan will be supplied from there yes) and almost ready-Yamal.
          Secondly, the thought does not come: why are gas pipelines being built? Why are they? There is LNG as well!
          Yes cost price LNG is more at times, and produce it where there is no way to extend the pipe!
          No need to suffer much, there will always be a merchant for a good product.
          The main thing is not to find yourself, as in Ukraine, and everything will be fine!
    2. mihasik
      mihasik April 2 2014 16: 18
      +5
      Do not fuss!)) In America, there will be no gas for the EU or it will be in the region of 10% of the required and expensive)
    3. Name
      Name April 2 2014 16: 41
      +2
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      The dream of the Americans to "throw" Russia out of the European gas market will begin to come true already, in 2015, when the construction of gas terminals for liquefied gas will end there.

      Just do not forget that in Europe the same thing needs to be built. Yes, and gas from the United States (shale) will be slightly more expensive than Russian. hi
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt April 2 2014 23: 14
        +2
        Yes, come on, you! Since the time when gas was supplied to Europe via Druzhba, there has not been a single slip (except for theft in Ukrainian). But pi ndos are always ready to apply "sanctions" if something is not according to their understanding.
    4. Alekseev
      Alekseev April 2 2014 16: 50
      +5
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      but here's the question.

      See above: it may be necessary to drop a bit and the price, we have a cost price of $ 30- $ 50, in the US 150, to throw liquefaction, transport.
      There is room for maneuver. And not a single scientific expert expresses the opinion that an abundance of energy carriers has come in the world.
      But that is not all. A decrease in gas sales in the European market by automatic means will lead to a decrease in purchases of European goods. And this is well known to Merkel, etc. yes
      Will they be able to sell everything they sold to Russia in the USA? Not sure.
      According to this, not everything is so gloomy under the moon ...wink
    5. Gunsmith
      Gunsmith April 2 2014 17: 12
      +16
      There is one * BUT * - in Europe and America there is no infrastructure for pumping and liquefying gas in such volumes. Even laying pipelines from fields to the east coast of the United States is already in the project. There is no gas tanker fleet. Nothing but desire * to bend Russia *. And with that, they want to throw Russia? How will liquefied gas be transported via geyropa, by gravity, in cans or we will give our Gaster * - dig the ground under the pipe? If not, how many railway tanks are needed? No one has so much to do. Where and who will build? Where are the power plants? Put yourself in the place of the rear service commander and think about how you would begin to perform a task of this level of complexity. And Europe is not an army, each country has its own chips, its own parliament and its own interests ... So, with a sober look, all these nonsense are nonsense.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev April 2 2014 19: 36
        0
        Quote: Gunsmith
        in Europe and America there is no infrastructure for pumping and liquefying gas in such volumes.

        There is an opinion of gas trading experts that, in general, everything is there. And even up to half the capacity of the terminals and other infrastructure is idle.
        But ... pipe gas is cheaper, contracts with Gazprom are long-term, i.e. delivery guarantee.
        It turns out that the Americans, wanting to screw up Russia, are depriving their "luminaries" of the energy supply that is beneficial for the Europeans.
        Yes, and the inevitable decline in mutual trade while limiting the consumption of our gas (and oil, too) yes
        That's probably the key to the lack of zeal in imposing various sanctions.
        1. Gunsmith
          Gunsmith April 3 2014 09: 32
          +1
          There is an opinion of gas trading experts that, in general, everything is there. And even up to half the capacity of the terminals and other infrastructure is idle. *
          All this was built under liquefied gas from Qatar and the Emirates. But, as you rightly noted, gas from a pipe is cheaper and supplies are stable. And Europe now counts every penny, so * Gazprom * in the European space has steered, steered and will steer! Thanks to Leonid Ilyich (created) and Viktor Stepanovich Chernomyrdin (saved) - Land to them by the Fluff ...
    6. thrower
      thrower April 2 2014 17: 36
      +1
      There is another point - if we quickly build LNG plants, we can occupy the Japanese market. Something has been silent about this recently, which means that something is being done in this direction.
    7. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg April 2 2014 20: 07
      +1
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      The Americans headed for the enhanced expansion of their gas and oil to the European market and they will achieve their goal, but what is the question for us.

      Oh, don't jump to conclusions! As long as there is no talk about American oil (if they start using "reserves", this will be enough, according to experts, at most for 2 years), even in the future, they do not have enough for their needs.
      Exports of American LNG are already real. BUT! Its price will not be lower than current prices, but, most likely, slightly higher. In addition, it is difficult to calculate the volume, since the technology of shale gas production in huge quantities has not yet been "tested". In general, there are a lot of issues regarding American LNG that, even with the most favorable development options, do not provide a solution that is "cheaper" than conventional natural gas. So, it is unlikely that Europe will buy more expensive to annoy us. Most likely, they will build several LNG terminals and will run 10 percent of their needs dearly in order to have a backup option. Why pay more?
  10. Arbatov
    Arbatov April 2 2014 15: 43
    +2
    LNG due to the "big puddle" will be delivered only by steamships. A rather weak alternative to Gazprom's uninterrupted pipe!
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 2 2014 15: 56
      +5
      Quote: Arbatov
      LNG
      Yes, if it were LNG (liquefied natural gas) - it’s not so bad, and it’s also shale gas ... And it cannot be produced just like that, even in places where natural gas is extracted, seismic activity increases, and here, such rape of the Earth, as a result of shale gas production areas increased seismic activity by 2012, one and a half times, and in 2013 already three times, compared with 2012 ... The statistics are frightening ...
      1. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson April 2 2014 16: 29
        +1
        yeah, Yellowstone will soon explode, all of them are fuckers and fuckers, but no, in nature everything is interconnected. We already know this, therefore we are testing seismic weapons on foreign continents)) laughing
        1. ziqzaq
          ziqzaq April 2 2014 22: 19
          0
          Quote: kirieeleyson
          We already know this, therefore we are testing seismic weapons on foreign continents))

          Explain the thesis please ... In the sense of the development of shale gas, a planned action in Moscow? It is unlikely, though ... if so, then beautiful revenge ....
        2. SOKOL777
          SOKOL777 April 2 2014 22: 59
          +1
          Quote: kirieeleyson
          Yellowstone will soon explode


          Vo-in! There is only 3 kilometers to magma. The gas in it is unmeasured ...
          It is necessary to consider amers to drill a hole in Yellowstone.
          There will be a lot of gas right away ...
          Or maybe you don’t have to be wise, because they are stupid, they suddenly take it and start drilling. wassat
      2. matross
        matross April 2 2014 18: 45
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        it cannot be extracted just like that, even in places of natural gas production, seismic activity increases, and here, such rape of the Earth, as a result, in shale gas production areas, seismic activity increased by one and a half times by 2012, and by 2013 by three times, compared to 2012 ... statistics are scary ...

        Why frightening? Hopeful! Let the Americans get scared, they rape their bowels, not us. Can finish badly and self-destruct. And without them, in a couple of weeks we will make europidorov remember what hole to put in, what God to pray to and where the word "bistro" came from! angry
  11. mackonya
    mackonya April 2 2014 15: 43
    +1
    A strange situation, “behind the backs” of the world powers, there is still the “shadow” of the last world crisis, like the unemployment and business activity indicators in the Eurozone have not reached the pre-crisis level, and everyone is thinking what other sanctions to introduce. The world economy is a fragile thing, why only the BRIC countries should think about it.
  12. 111 soldier
    111 soldier April 2 2014 15: 44
    +1
    sorry, but their dreams will remain only dreams !! not too tough for them mother Russia!
  13. mountain
    mountain April 2 2014 15: 44
    +1
    Dream, raise industry and arrange Europe vector outages. For prevention, political consciousness.
  14. zanoza
    zanoza April 2 2014 15: 44
    +3
    As I understand it, all gas contracts signed for the supply of Russian gas for a long time, i.e. neither we nor they can, without penalties, from these supplies refuse. So N for years there should be no problems.
    Further, if the construction of the South Stream gas pipeline is not "frozen" for some reason, then, if the transit of gas through Ukraine is refused, this will be the only way to get gas from Russia for southern Europe. Europe may slightly reduce the volume, but China and Japan will gladly increase it.
    1. jjj
      jjj April 2 2014 16: 47
      0
      They invented the Third Energy Package to otmaz refusal
    2. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg April 2 2014 20: 13
      0
      Quote: zanoza
      started for the number of years there should not be a problem.

      They cannot be for purely technical reasons. Even according to the most "rosy" estimates of experts, the first tanker will deliver the American. LNG to Europe no earlier than in 2 years - it is not possible to build terminals faster. If we take more realistic estimates, then any significant deliveries are possible only in 6-8 years.
  15. parus2nik
    parus2nik April 2 2014 15: 54
    +2
    European dreamers .. Dreaming is not harmful .. wink As the Russian proverb says: The gas pipeline was not built right away ..
  16. Maks-80
    Maks-80 April 2 2014 15: 57
    +1
    Europe’s dependence on gas imports will only increase over time, as over time, their own stocks in the EU will be depleted.
  17. Stiletto
    Stiletto April 2 2014 16: 00
    +2
    America and her mongrels want something. There is, however, one small "But": they have not yet grown a "Wishlist" of sufficient size for this. So for now, as an experiment, they can try "to spite my mother's ears to freeze." Well, in the meantime, we'll see who the white fluffy animal on soft paws will come to before - the holders of bright candy wrappers or the owners of real hydrocarbon reserves.
  18. siberalt
    siberalt April 2 2014 16: 03
    +4
    You look, Siberian cities and news will begin to gasify. Not all the Siberian gas only in Europe to jump out of comfort. laughing
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 2 2014 16: 15
      +2
      But this is an absolutely correct observation, since almost 60% of our population has no connection to a permanent supply of natural gas. And if you want to connect, then this "pleasure" will cost at least 100-150 thousand rubles (I mean, connect your house) ... Maybe then, Gazprom will take care of free connection of domestic consumers to its pipe
      1. Walk
        Walk April 2 2014 19: 27
        +1
        Please specify what you mean. If the whole population, then I agree. Just most of the population does not need gasification. But if 60% of those in need, then clearly lying.
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      3. kodex
        kodex April 3 2014 00: 36
        0
        I support both. But you are obviously exaggerating about 60%. In the same Barnaul, natural gas is a novelty. Not to mention the "obscene" inhabitants of the entire region for the West.
    2. Walk
      Walk April 2 2014 19: 19
      -1
      Almost all of the Siberian cities are gasified. The villages are not. Name it. please, which cities are not gasified.
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      2. kodex
        kodex April 3 2014 00: 44
        +1
        Do you live on the moon? What are the gasified cities of Siberia. They will be no more than 10%. Propane does not count. This is not natural gas, but waste from coal-fired boilers. The ceilings are not washed away from him and his head hurts. They bring it in gas cylinders and put it near the stove. Have you heard of such people?
      3. Horn
        Horn April 3 2014 06: 13
        0
        What do you call a "gasified city"? The gasification level of Barnaul, for example, does not exceed 10%. As well as Novosibirsk. Are they gasified?
  19. mig31
    mig31 April 2 2014 16: 04
    +1
    Even if Europe moves to Mars, then the energy will be Russian, if not cool.
  20. fly fishing
    fly fishing April 2 2014 16: 07
    +1
    Why sell our gas at all ?! I just don’t understand ... Being a commodity country is aerobatics?
    1. Deniska
      Deniska April 2 2014 16: 28
      +1
      The inflow of foreign capital. One of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR is a decrease in the price of oil, and therefore gas (since our gas is tied to oil), from here a decrease in capital inflows - a decrease in budget revenues, while maintaining budget expenditures. In other words, they could not feed themselves .... sad
    2. Vorodis_vA
      Vorodis_vA April 2 2014 16: 40
      0
      it’s possible not to sell it, but then why did we need the fate of its runoff? where to put it, fold under the mattress ...?
      1. anarh
        anarh April 2 2014 21: 55
        +1
        Quote: Vorodis_vA
        it’s possible not to sell it, but then why did we need the fate of its runoff? where to put it, fold under the mattress ...?

        Not under the mattress, but ON the mattress.
        And not gas ...
        In general, you understand.
        wink
    3. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg April 2 2014 20: 16
      -1
      Quote: fly fishing
      Why sell our gas at all ?! I just don’t understand ... Being a commodity country is aerobatics?

      What do you propose selling instead of gas?
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt April 2 2014 23: 17
        +1
        The language of blacks. Communist brains are over laughing
        (from a famous Soviet joke).
  21. sinukvl
    sinukvl April 2 2014 16: 07
    +13
    As long as Russia exists, so many gentlemen of arrogant Saxons I think how to destroy it. For more than 1000 years they have been thinking, thinking, but cannot come up with. And everyone excuses that Russia is also to blame for this, as if they didn’t understand it wisely. It turns out interesting if for more than 1000 years you can’t understand Russia either, maybe it’s your arrogant Sakes with mind problems and all matters. But because of the greatest conceit, you don’t want to admit this fact.
    1. Deniska
      Deniska April 2 2014 16: 30
      +1
      And the most annoying thing is that in the east they always understood: If you can’t conquer, make an ally. But gay and lesbian are they stupid that 700 years ago what now.
  22. Siberian19
    Siberian19 April 2 2014 16: 17
    +3
    Isn't that what the wang meant?
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 April 2 2014 17: 38
      0
      And there’s an eternal tale about ... global warming. As an option, you can still run. A rapidly aging Europe is even useful - they will run away from a heart attack, stay warm at the same time.
    2. Tektor
      Tektor April 2 2014 17: 50
      +2
      Too distorted: about half of the states will be covered with ash, and even then only in case of a "favorable" wind. The whole question is in the duration of the eruption: if about a month - then the problems for the Earth's climate will be moderate. One year without summer. The most dangerous volcano is Katla in Iceland - its eruption can definitely lead to a "nuclear winter".
    3. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT April 2 2014 18: 39
      0
      Published on Youtube on April 1! laughing
    4. Delink
      Delink April 2 2014 20: 20
      +1
      As far as I remember, this volcano was in the movie "2012".
      Americans come up with, and nature vyzhivatsya.
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    6. siberalt
      siberalt April 2 2014 23: 29
      +2
      Before Vanga, there were many "foggy" predictors. Starting with the Bible. Yes, there was no written confirmation (which was not). So let's believe at least in genuine ones.
      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/946/cvfv4.jpg
    7. Sergeriys
      Sergeriys April 3 2014 07: 15
      0
      Introductory Ministry of Emergencies - let them work out!
  23. Partizan
    Partizan April 2 2014 16: 18
    +2
    Quote: fly fishing
    Why sell our gas at all ?! I just don’t understand ... Being a commodity country is aerobatics?

    Well, we now have a resource-based economy, focused on pumping resources "there" - to the west. This is thanks to the wise leadership of the country, especially over the past 12 years.
    Specifically, regarding gas, there are such people - shareholders of Gazprom, and they are used to living on a grand scale, although this is "our common gas" too.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 April 2 2014 17: 04
      +7
      Quote: Partizan
      and they are used to living on a grand scale, although this is "our common gas."

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      2. siberalt
        siberalt April 2 2014 23: 32
        +1
        Whoever pays more will sing. All the same fifth column.
  24. KBPC50
    KBPC50 April 2 2014 16: 20
    +3
    Western capitalists who run their governments are not stupid and very pragmatic and greedy people. It would be utter folly on their part to destroy very, very productive ties with Russia. As Mr. President of France Charles de Gaulle (not a quote) said in this hemisphere, one country is needed from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean, and this is possible only in the case of COOPERATION. To many poor (not rich) citizens from the destruction of economic ties with Russia will be very bad!
  25. vvvvv
    vvvvv April 2 2014 16: 26
    0
    I'm not quite in the subject ... When I don't understand I missed the news "Russia has adopted the newest Liner ICBM ... It seems that I always follow the info here, but I haven't seen it in the materials here, but only now in the" Picture of the Day ". But at the beginning of the year they have already accepted it, or there was no material on this topic, as it is a very interesting topic.
    1. jjj
      jjj April 2 2014 16: 51
      0
      There were publications about launches from BDRMs. But the topic was not actively pursued. She was in the shadow of the "failures" of "Mace"
  26. Platov
    Platov April 2 2014 16: 32
    0
    To dream is not harmful.
  27. Bargus
    Bargus April 2 2014 16: 37
    0
    But us, maybe the government will start to pursue a policy of creating a new direction of the economy in the country, and developing the industrial segment of the country's economy, rather than a raw materials appendage of the whole world, plus developing the industrial sector of the economy, these are new jobs for Russians and independence from imports, stability in country.
  28. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 2 2014 16: 39
    +3
    Quote: mig31
    Even if Europe moves to Mars, then the energy will be Russian, if not cool.

    One way or another, in all forms of manifestation.
  29. alex47russ
    alex47russ April 2 2014 16: 46
    +1
    EU will produce gas, fart !!!
  30. andrei332809
    andrei332809 April 2 2014 16: 56
    0
    what to talk to them request so, concussion. ppidypki themselves, wanted "freebies", and rebuild (humpbacked to help them) for completely different costs, the gut is thin.
  31. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 2 2014 17: 10
    +1
    Replacing Russian gas for Europe is theoretically possible after at least 10 years later.
    Yes, it would be faster .. Enough to be a raw material appendage of the West and depend on imports. It's time to switch to self-sufficiency (under the USSR they built Buran from needles to space drones ..) We need to stop this blackmail ..
  32. Rubmolot
    Rubmolot April 2 2014 17: 12
    +4
    EU dependence on Russian gas and oil
  33. ussrex
    ussrex April 2 2014 17: 15
    0
    Quote: alex47russ
    EU will produce gas, fart !!!

    This is exactly what they are doing at the moment with the whole composition of their geyroparlameta
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    TekhnarMAF
    TekhnarMAF April 2 2014 17: 27
    +1
    [Quote] "putting Russia in its place".
    What place? I have already written that We are self-sufficient in natural resources. On the brains? Yes, you need to buy a nanoscap! Any person, even with a secondary education, understands that teachers (knowledgeable and able), researchers (not to be confused with scientists, sometimes a scientist cat) pay so that they can do their good deed without thinking about the "household" Then it is not necessary to drive resources over the hill, but to sell the product! Only then you can spit from a high mountain for some kind of sanctions!
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  • skifd
    skifd April 2 2014 17: 32
    +6
    I could not resist, that would not insert, at least off topic:

    "stupid :))
    "Once on the edge, I stand before a choice,
    Who to choose in ... presidents: Tyagnibok or "Yu"?
    "Yu" - of course, beauty! boobs, ass and braid!
    But Tyagnibok’s entire “Freedom” has a voice !.
    Lady Yu, threatens Moscow! (exacerbation in the spring)
    He says that the pier has an ace trump in his sleeve !.
    He says they’ll cut her like a chickens ...
    And who doesn’t cut, he will simply drive him out !.
    He says “free world” will turn Moscow into a toilet!
    Although, personally, it seems to me ... Julia sniffs the air ...
    Tyagnibok, in Moscow on a tank, wants to enter early!
    Where did he see tanks with us? il watched TV on a booze ?.
    Yarosh can still ... He has an account with Russia!
    But somehow I’m not sure that I will survive until May ...
    Here is such a mess, of applicants, in general darkness,
    Either they closed everything at once, crazy houses?
    Only, if you don’t choose, there is only one way ... and he is not in paradise ...
    We seem to be in the anus with you, the brothers got in by chance ...
    And I, the mother of the Yeti, decided to go to the presidency myself!
    I, friends, have no other way!
    Although perhaps I am blessed, I know how we can get up from our knees!
    Declare war on Russia, and ... SUDDENLY surrender!
    Putin does not expect this, and will not find the answer!
    Suddenly we will have time to register ... If you are very lucky !!!!! "
    (Darth Vader). "

    From the Crimean site.
    And for a snack:

    "The award has found a hero"
    1. SOKOL777
      SOKOL777 April 2 2014 23: 28
      0
      Quote: skifd
      "The award has found a hero"


      Well done, Boris Abramych! Keep it up!
      It was not reported in the open press, but I bring it to everyone who reads me.
      Also awarded was an assistant to Boris Abramich, nicknamed "Mishiko", for Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
      Great deeds await these patriots of Russia.
      "Mishiko" will deal with Transnistria.
      "Tanned" will deal with Alaska (he is closer there).
      There are no data on other comrades working in Finland, the southern states of the USA, South and Central America.
      We are certainly waiting for the results ... bully good tongue
  • Mainbeam
    Mainbeam April 2 2014 17: 39
    0
    Replacing Russian gas for Europe is theoretically possible after at least 10 years later.
    Even if this line is cut in half, Russia has five years to get off oil and gas dependence. The army and navy have been partially rearmament over the past five years. Now, for another five years, to develop industry and agriculture.
    1. Mainbeam
      Mainbeam April 2 2014 17: 43
      0
      And this is possible only with a change in political course.

      Since the Gaidar times, the economic block of our government reflects the interests of traders - to the detriment of the interests of manufacturers
  • combat66
    combat66 April 2 2014 17: 50
    0
    It was necessary to hang a star of the hero on his forehead.
  • Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 2 2014 17: 51
    0
    I have a feeling that most of our "urya-patriots" live in the "land of elves" inhabited by "pink elephants" and do not read or watch anything except this forum and the First TV channel. Americans do not do anything just like that, if they have undertaken something, it means that they have already prepared everything for this and have calculated everything. They do not act "at random", unlike us, as you will not understand. Say that the Americans do not have the infrastructure for transporting liquefied gas by sea to Europe. Yes, at the moment they don't, but look what is being built:
    IN USA:

    1. LNG plant and Sabine Pass terminal, operator - Cheniere Energy. Planned capacity - 22 billion cubic meters per year. The project received permission from DoE (Department of Energy; for 30 years in FTA countries, 20 years in non-FTA countries). The start of the plant and terminal is scheduled for 2015.

    2. LNG plant and Freeport LNG terminal (first stage), operators - Freeport LNG and Macquerie. Planned capacity - 12,5 billion cubic meters per year. The project received permission from DoE (for 25 years). The start of work is scheduled for 2016.

    3. LNG plant and Freeport LNG terminal (second stage), operators - Freeport LNG and Macquerie. The planned capacity is also 12,5 billion cubic meters per year.

    4. LNG plant and Lake Charles terminal, operator - Southern Union and BG. Planned capacity - 19,3 billion cubic meters per year. The project received permission from DoE (for 25 years). The start of work is scheduled for the period after 2016.

    5. LNG plant and Cameron terminal, operator - Sempra company. Planned capacity - 24 billion cubic meters per year. The project received permission from DoE (for 20 years). The start of work is also scheduled for the period 2016+.

    6. LNG plant and Cove Point terminal, operator - Dominion company. Planned capacity - 11 billion cubic meters per year. The project received permission from DoE (for 25 years). The start of work is scheduled for the period following 2016.

    7. LNG plant and Jordan Cave terminal, operators - Jordan Cove Energy and First Chicago. Planned capacity - 12 billion cubic meters per year. The project received permission from DoE (for 20 years). Start of work - after 2016.

    8. LNG plant and Carib Energy terminal, operator - Carib Energy. Planned capacity - 0,3 billion cubic meters per year. The project received permission from DoE (for 25 years). The plant is expected to start operating after 2016.

    9. LNG plant and Gulf Coast LNG terminal, operator - Gulf Coast LNG (by the way, Freeport LNG and Gulf Coast LNG have the same people in management). Planned capacity - 29 billion cubic meters per year. Application for DoE - filed.

    In total, the United States will be able to export 142,6 billion cubic meters of gas annually.
    The Office of Oil and Natural Gas, United States Department of Energy says about 141,9 billion cubic meters of natural gas per year, but this does not change the essence.
    1. Rominag
      Rominag April 2 2014 19: 21
      0
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      The Americans do not do anything for nothing, if they have undertaken something, it means that they have already prepared everything for this and have calculated everything. They do not act "at random", unlike us, as you will not understand. Say that the Americans do not have the infrastructure for transporting liquefied gas by sea to Europe. Yes, at the moment they do not have it, but look what is being built ...

      It's all about shale gas almost. And with him a lot of problems as you know.
      In addition to the need for liquefaction terminals, liquefaction terminals, plants and transportation - and this is a large infrastructure in the end and very importantly expensive.
      Forecasts are one for this gas, but in fact something else comes out. At first, the production is excellent, but it is blown away very quickly, and the further it becomes unprofitable in the same field. In addition, the United States has already passed several times that production was banned due to the fact that seismic activity increased in places of active production as a result in nearby territories. This is not to mention the huge environmental damage.

      Considering all these factors, liquefied gas will cost no less than Russian gas for the EU (Poland is completing the construction of the terminal and will buy Qatari at 650, instead of 350-400 for Russian, this is the principle "to spite my mother"). And in fact, it is much more expensive. And here the main problem - the rise in gas prices - will immediately affect all areas of the economy, and pull everything along.
      And do not forget that it will be almost impossible for American companies to oblige them to sell gas to Europe, because if an active sale of gas to Amer goes. it will be much more profitable for companies to sell it to Asia - where they buy it at a higher price.
      Australia also seems to have great prospects with shale gas and they are also building terminals with might and main there, etc. But one transportation from Australia will be worth a lot.

      Well and what is important - the necessary volumes of gas for the EU, delivered by transport - this is also a serious problem. It needs a lot like terminals with factories.

      The conclusion from all this - yes, Europe hypothetically, can reduce its dependence on growing. gas, it’s possible to refuse it altogether - but in the end, the question of price and economic feasibility, and ultimately the competitiveness of their goods, remains open.

      And this is not taking into account the problems with the "green" (which, in fact, still turns out to be unprofitable even on continuous subsidies) and nuclear power plants, etc.
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  • Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 2 2014 17: 51
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    What is building: Canada

    A number of LNG projects are being implemented by Canada, another of our "sworn" "partners":

    1. LNG plant and Kitimat LNG terminal, operators - Apache and EOG Resources. Planned capacity - 6,9 billion cubic meters per year. The start of work is scheduled for 2015.

    2. LNG plant and BC LNG terminal, operators - LNG Partners and Haisla First Nation. Planned capacity - 2,5 billion cubic meters per year. The start of work is scheduled for the period after 2016.

    3. LNG plant and Prince Rupert terminal, operator - Shell. Planned capacity - 13,8 billion cubic meters per year. The start of work is scheduled for the period after 2016.

    4. LNG plant and Petronas terminal, operator - Petronas company. Planned capacity - 10,2 billion cubic meters per year. The start of work is scheduled for the period after 2016.

    Total, annually Canada will be able to export 33,4 billion cubic meters of gas.

    What are we going to again engage in "hacking", lulling ourselves with all kinds of "fairy tales" about the inability of the United States to organize, soon, replacing gas exports to Europe? Or maybe we will open our eyes to the real state of affairs?
    1. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin April 2 2014 18: 38
      0
      In total, the United States will be able to export 142,6 billion cubic meters of gas annually.

      Total, Canada will be able to export 33,4 billion cubic meters of gas annually

      What next??? Today, Europe consumes more than 500 billion cubic meters ... After the announcement of the program to close nuclear power plants, consumption will increase by about 30% in the next 20-30 years. those. we will count on an increase of about 180-200 billion ... so that your arguments are covered only by the added 180-200 billion cubic meters ... who will supply the remaining 500 ???
    2. gladysheff2010
      gladysheff2010 April 2 2014 18: 59
      0
      Yes, you add the numbers together and compare them with our exports to Europe: the total capacity of the factories you are building is 176 billion cubic meters, and the needs of the European Union last year-550 billion cubic meters, that is, they scared the hedgehog bare back!
  • A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 2 2014 17: 56
    0
    Quote: ASed
    In! And more often! In Internet publications such topics, and even on the eve of May 9, need to be covered!


    All these are friends without a useful conversation that journalists will see and write, everyone knows about it perfectly. But as you say, you won’t jump over your head, everything depends on money, on banal money that the population does not have, although statistics about average salaries in Russia confirm 40-50 thousand. 10-15 years ago, it took 700-800 rubles to put gas into the houses in the villages, the gas pipeline to the village and the wiring in the village was done at the expense of the regional budget and was ten times cheaper. Now the gasification rate has slowed down a lot, think about it friends at current prices and compare earlier 700-800 rubles and current prices 330-340 thousand, the difference is noticeable.
  • Oml
    Oml April 2 2014 18: 01
    0
    In Greece, mass events began that grew into riots in connection with the use of actions against Russia. They understand that it will concern themselves first of all.
  • zulus222
    zulus222 April 2 2014 18: 02
    0
    Quote: Sergei75
    And here in the Smolensk region, near Vyazma, in the village of Staraya Derevnya, a war veteran has no gas supply! And "defeated Europe" does!

    I fully support you! veterans V.O.V. generally need to state. security to deliver. they are left - units. I think the state will pull.
  • naGua
    naGua April 2 2014 18: 15
    0
    European, and indeed Western, overseas including politicians are very emotional. Sometimes you read their statements and comments and wonder. Passion and whip. However, this is already a tradition ...
  • Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 April 2 2014 18: 17
    0
    As usual, no silver lining, no good. This is me about the fact that even in the years of "perestroika" it was fashionable to accuse the Union Power of selling energy resources, and this despite the fact that the economy of the USSR was the second in the world, and the present, when it’s not even that mechanical engineering, we do not have our own food and cowards, imported - thanks to the glorious Yeltsinoids-Gaidarites. Gas, oil and other irreplaceable resources must be nationalized and their supplies must decrease every year with a simultaneous internal increase. This is our answer to Europe, not to conclude any contracts, the same as with Ukraine. Take currency from the Asia-Pacific region. And an early "new industrialization". In principle, the West is not necessary for us and is harmful, but as it is, it is not our business.
    1. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg April 2 2014 20: 32
      +1
      Quote: Ivan 63
      we do not have our own food and cowards, imported

      Strongly distort. A huge amount of domestic food, we even sell grain for export, there is a significant surplus. If we buy, then support the Ukrainian, for example, manufacturer more. Underpants can also find domestic. Only it seems to me that you better order in domestic studio with a hammer and sickle repeat .
  • aleksandroff
    aleksandroff April 2 2014 18: 30
    0
    Quote: RUSS
    In my native Moscow and Tver regions, the situation with gasification is the same, but Gazprom drives advertising on TV - "we are like the most all countries and continents we will suppress", and in our native villages and villages everything is as in the 19th century.

    It all depends, I think, from fools - governors. We, in Mordovia, are a little more fortunate with this. Already in the 90s we had gas in all the villages, even with a small population (I myself worked on welding) and now we are completely gasified. When we started to build a house in a small village, I was surprised how quickly we got gas, a pipe was brought into an unprepared house, and I paid 18000 rubles so far. So not everything is bad. By the way, in our country, the roads were normal by the end of the 90s. So - what a pop, such a parish.
  • nezabor
    nezabor April 2 2014 18: 42
    +1
    Well, there is an opinion that Europe hopes to reduce the cost of Russian gas with this rhetoric.
    Of course, this will never happen, but if they want gas from Iran, then it can be stopped very quickly if the Russian Federation ceases to be a parliamentarian between the West and Iran itself, and even more interesting if the Russian Federation helps Iran a little with the development of nuclear weapons, which is also not very .
  • Bosk
    Bosk April 2 2014 18: 47
    0
    We just need to start negotiations with China and Japan on the construction of several Northeast and East branches ... we need to begin to expand cooperation in the East in any way, and secondly, we must also demonstrate our non-stickiness to Europe.
  • individual
    individual April 2 2014 18: 52
    +1
    There is heated debate on our forum.
    Subject:
    "Oil and Gas Needle".
    It is time for Russia to develop its industry and agriculture without looking back at foreign import of consumer goods, but to import advanced technologies in exchange for oil, gas, lumber and what they buy from us.
  • kirqiz ssr
    kirqiz ssr April 2 2014 18: 54
    0
    all the same, somewhere they’ll suck if they take Syria, they will throw a pipe from Qatar, you need to calculate all the options.
  • Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat April 2 2014 19: 05
    0
    It is not about how much gas Europe consumes, how much Gazprom exports there and whether supplies from the USA can completely replace these supplies. Or do you still think that Gazprom fully covers all of Europe’s gas needs? Well.http: //www.gazprom.ru/about/marketing/europe/
    Here are the Gazprom data for 2013 http://www.veles-capital.ru/en/Analytics/StockMarket/01-07-2013-1 compare with the plans of the USA and Canada.
    1. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg April 2 2014 20: 44
      0
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      It is not about how much gas Europe consumes, how much Gazprom exports there and whether supplies from the USA can completely replace these supplies.

      Thanks for the competent argumentation. The answer is yes, in 10-15 years it can. But if you narrow the topic so much - potentially or not - it is obvious. Americans can finally buy Qatari or God knows what LNG and sell to Europe at an exorbitant price.
      The next question, WHY do European countries buy gas 1,5 times more expensive than Russian, huh? And why should the US sell 1,5 times more expensive than the Russian Federation to Europe, when it is possible 2 times more expensive to Asia? This is no longer LGBT people, such even in tolerant countries OUTSIDE THE LAW.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat April 2 2014 22: 01
        +1
        I answer: Gazprom sells its gas to Europe at a price of $ 365 to $ 450 per 1000 cubic meters. depending on the country of the buyer. The Americans promise that the price of their gas will not exceed $ 470-500 per 1000 cubic meters. Agree, this is far from 1,5 times more, if we take the upper price of Gazprom gas, then, in principle, it is comparable. To Asia, why not sell more expensive? Because the world gas market has already been "divided" and America is just entering this market. The Asian market already "belongs" to Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Doesn't everyone really understand that all this "cheese boron" with the Maidan in Ukraine was started by the Americans in the first place, precisely in order to provide the United States with access to the international gas market, to clear it for itself, a new player, pushing Russia. With this clever operation with the "Maidan", the Americans "killed" as many as "three birds with one stone": 1) threw Russia out of the European gas market, 2) drove Russia into a corner, ensuring its political isolation, which is necessary for further steps to establish "world order" , 3) "hooked" Europe on their own gas, thereby securing a global "leverage" for influencing it, making it completely dependent on itself.
        1. andrewvlg
          andrewvlg April 2 2014 22: 57
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          Quote: Monster_Fat
          Gazprom sells its gas to Europe at prices ranging from $ 365 to $ 450 per 1000 cubic meters. depending on the country of the buyer. The Americans promise that the price of their gas will not exceed $ 470-500 per 1000 cubic meters. Agree, this is far from 1,5 times more, if we take the upper price of Gazprom gas, then, in principle, it is comparable. To Asia, why not sell more expensive? Because the world gas market has already been "divided" and America is just entering this market.

          Thank you for your answer, it's nice to hear reliable facts. You're right, I "inflated" the difference in price to get attention. We supplied gas to Ukraine at a price of 265, in my opinion, and Gazprom was making a profit, why can't we lower the price for Europe, say, to 313? Then 470/313 = 1,5. But this, of course, will have to be done as a last resort, because 470 per thousand cubic meters according to some Americans. experts are greatly underestimated. They explain this by the fact that as soon as private companies enter the world market, the price will inevitably rise, since the domestic market is practically saturated, which has kept the price down for a long time. How much it will grow is not known exactly. Let's take your top value 500/333 = 1,5. That is, my exaggeration is not so important. Gazprom can easily dump in the region of $ 100-150. for 1000. The cost of LNG will not allow you to throw off even a hundred. But why pay even $ 50 more?
          Your second argument is that since the market is divided, America will not sell much to Asia, it will not be accepted. The European market is also divided.
          The market is the market. They want energy. security? They will build 10-20 terminals for LNG, calm down. And they will buy from us for 50 bucks cheaper. There is an alternate aerodrome, why lose the rest of 10-20 billion dollars a year?
          1. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat April 3 2014 10: 59
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            Poles are building a terminal for Saudi gas at a price of $ 600-650! When asked why they are doing this, at a loss for themselves, as gas from Russia is much cheaper, there was a disarming answer - "you have to pay for" freedom "from Russia!" Merkelta spoke about this in almost the same way, but in a slightly different way: "Freedom and European solidarity cost money and not only money!" Here's your answer.