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Ukraine as the fourth Reich

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However, in the Square is not excluded the development of the situation and the Yugoslav scenario


Numerous failed "doomsday", the last of which was to occur in December 2012-th in accordance with the completion of the Mayan Indians calendar cycle, undermined the belief in numerology in humanity. However, what история evolving according to certain laws, there is a more or less recognized fact. You can customize it for a particular calendar, trying to build some theory. You can not customize, but simply assess what happened in a given year a hundred, two hundred or more years ago. And in the case of the current year, 14, get the corresponding results, at least for Europe.

1914 is the beginning of the First World War, after which there was not a single empire on the map that started it except the British. 1814 is the beginning of the end of Napoleon Bonaparte (although the battle of Waterloo is already 1815 a year). And by the way, it was this year that the English landing force took Washington by storm, burning the White House and the Capitol. 1714 - the end of the War of the Spanish Succession, as well as the Battle of Gangut - is the first naval victory of the Russians over the Swedes in history, in memory of which the day of military glory of Russia is celebrated. 1614 is the first year after the Time of Troubles, the beginning of the era of the Romanovs. And so on and so forth.

"It is time for change" happens once a century

Does all of the above directly or indirectly relate to the beginning of the current Russian-Ukrainian “jam”, under which Crimea once again “went under Moscow”? Yes, in general, no. However, the reader may note that every hundred years, at about the same time, our country and its neighbors, near and far, fall into the next “time of change”. The one that the Chinese from antiquity recommended to fear. Something ends, something begins. But as a result of these changes, the world is changing - until the next crisis.

Ukraine as the fourth ReichTrying to stop or slow down the course of history is about as useful as slowing down the express train, getting on the rails in front of it. Although expressing disapproval, indignation and resolute condemnation of what is happening - in this case, the return of the Crimea to Russia - no one ordered. As well as apply any sanctions of any kind — at least to the country as a whole, at least to individual officials, politicians and businessmen in particular. Free will, saved paradise.

The problem is that the presence of the Crimea in its structure cannot unfold the process of degradation and disintegration of today's Ukraine - economic, political and any other kind. In her eyes, she is turning into a failed state, engulfed in internal turmoil, which in the shortest possible time can turn into a civil war. And what is a civil war in Ukraine is well known, at least to those who have not forgotten the lessons of modern history. In the end, a hundred years have not passed.

As Ukraine became the territory of the war of all against all at the beginning of the twentieth century, it can happen today. The Yugoslav scenario on its territory, unfortunately, is not excluded. After the disappearance of the Russian Empire, the power in Ukraine was with anyone except hetman Skoropadsky. From countless gangs and rebel armies, the most organized of which were the forces of Nestor Makhno, to the Germans and the Entente. From the Petliurists, although only an insignificant number of them subordinated precisely to Petliura, to the forces of local self-defense. From white to red. Millions were the victims.

The appearance during the Great Patriotic War in Ukraine of Bandera, Shukhevych and the local assistants of the Third Reich headed by them, dozens and hundreds of thousands joined the SS, the Wehrmacht, the police, the firing teams and the protection of concentration camps and ghettos, not too optimistic for the current events . From Moscow it is clear that direct heirs of those with whom the USSR fought in 1941 – 1945 are gaining momentum in Ukraine and are striving for power. Although in European capitals and Washington, they clearly do not intend to pay attention to this. Easy to understand why.

Let us leave outside the scope of this article the question of the causes and plans of Russia's confrontation in all possible directions - from the Middle East to Central Asia, as well as everything that is being done by the current US administration for the sake of internal weakening of our country. Pay attention to the presence in Canada, the United States, Argentina, Uruguay and other countries multi-million Ukrainian diaspora. And remember that terrorism in Northern Ireland, directed against Britain — the closest ally of the United States — has been funded by the Irish people from Boston for decades. That did not prevent the representatives of the Kennedy clan from becoming senators or ministers. And also take the post of president.

Millions of Ukrainians currently living outside their homeland sympathize with and will help the Right Sector, Freedom, UDAR and any other political parties or extremist groups in their confrontation with Russia. How they helped anyone in this struggle regardless of whether it was waged with the Russian Empire, the USSR, or the current Russian Federation. They have an impressive lobby, which is listened to in Western capitals, at least based on their electoral potential. Or, simply speaking, from the number of votes.

In the same way, they certainly sympathize and will help to put into practice the idea of ​​the suppression by nationalists of the non-Ukrainian population and Ukrainians who are ready to coexist peacefully with Russia as a neighbor. That in the initial era of the practical implementation of Ukrainian nationalism was realized by successfully ousting and mass cutting the Jews and Poles in the framework of the local tradition established from the time of Khmelnitsky.

Not incidentally, if we talk about the EU countries, more recently to Hungary and Romania, who have long been handing out their passports to compatriots living in Ukraine, the Czech Republic, which is not prone to excessive emotions in politics, was added. As far as forces go, the remnants of the local Poles move to Poland. And in Israel, without much ado, they are preparing for the mass exodus of the Jewish population of Ukraine, which is inevitable if the situation aggravates there. Fortunately, the Jewish Agency has the relevant experience gained in the course of civil wars and riots in Georgia, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan.

We note this, since the Brussels policy towards the current Kiev authorities is in line with the strategy of Washington, but is directly opposite to the tacit actions of the leadership of European countries that are Ukraine’s neighbors. And this justifies any actions that Russia deems it necessary to take in relation to the neighboring country, taking into account the current situation there. Since the Russian authorities will have to defend not theoretical international law in the interpretation of their former partners in G8, but their own vital interests for its continued existence.

However, Arseny Yatsenyuk’s proposal to replace the Russian Federation in the G8 with Ukraine, expressed during his talks with the Canadian Prime Minister, greatly facilitates Moscow’s future separation from this structure, which recently claimed the role of “world government”. The Western Club in real life cannot solve any world problems without Russia regardless of what it claims or is ready to lay claim to. But to solve them, having in its composition a ruined, corrupt, crumbling Ukraine, is not even funny.

Optimists who believe that an unhappy Ukraine only thanks to the healing power of democracy will suddenly turn from what it is now, if not prosperous, then at least not as fast as today, a collapsing state, overestimate the merits of this song sung by politicians and political scientists building. As is known, Poland, which included a huge part of modern Ukraine, is its unique democracy on the European background and has finished it. And not so long ago.

Infinite Polish Seimas, whose long and difficultly coordinated decisions completely killed personal ambitions, realized in the form of gentry "not allowing", do not lead to anything except its section, more precisely, three sections, the results of which Poland’s statehood disappeared for more than a century could And they didn’t, because the central power in this country was weak, the warring moguls were strong, and the local poplists, populists, were numerous and self-interested. This strongly resembles everything that we have today in Ukraine, with amendments to political technologies, a gas pipe and a modern external environment.

In the Soviet period, the topic of participation in the war on the side of fascist Germany by Ukrainians and other representatives of the "fraternal Soviet peoples", as well as the countries of occupied Europe, was practically taboo, since it impeded the development of proletarian internationalism in the USSR. Until recently, this attitude was towards the participation of volunteers from Ukraine in the terrorist war in the Russian North Caucasus and the “August war” unleashed by Saakashvili in South Ossetia. Moreover, this participation went with the direct support (or with demonstrative disregard) of successive Ukrainian governments.

The same applies to the role of the Ukrainian authorities (and related security groups headed by the heads of relevant departments) in organizing the supply of Ukrainian weapons to the international black market for weapons and military equipment (IWT), and to turning a number of regions, including Crimea, into a zone the constant presence of militants participating in the Islamist jihad on the territory of the republics of the former USSR and beyond. Among the Crimean Tatars, among the younger generation of which the positions of the Ukrainian Hizb ut-Tahrir (whose sites, including Russian-speaking, are on the Internet), are strong, this was largely controlled by the Turkish MIT (Milli Istihbarat Teskilati - National Intelligence Organization, Turkish special service ).

As a result, during the development of the current crisis, Russia may encounter several scenarios. The most unlikely: Ukraine creates a capable government of people who are not corrupt and professional, which suppresses extremists, builds relations with the Russian Federation and builds them with Europe not at the expense of Moscow. After that, he rebuilds Ukraine as a country, strengthening state institutions and the economy, and does not engage in the redistribution of property and wholesale theft, like all Ukrainian governments before.

This scenario has a chance of implementation only with the joint coordinated work of the West, Russia and the Ukrainian authorities based on the proposals of the Russian Foreign Ministry, including the transformation of Ukraine into a federation with a high degree of freedom of territories like Germany or the USA. Is there any chance for this option? Not. Since it is clear that there is a new cold war ahead, and also, according to a number of competent experts, the First World Economic War, to the top of which the American and European leadership clearly seeks, naively believing that it will inflict damage on Russia alone. Well, no one wanted the First World War. They would know how it will end ...

It is much more likely that the chaos described above will arise in Ukraine. Its consequence will inevitably be a heightened danger regime at Ukrainian NPPs, the emergence of a large number of modern IWT systems in the “free market” and the influx of a significant number of refugees from Ukraine to Russia. This will raise the question of Russian control over the situation in at least in the south-east of Ukraine, up to Transnistria. The reaction of the Western community, the UN and other third-party players to such a development will be indicative and demonstrative, but the military conflict with NATO is not seen in any way.

It is even more likely that one or other radicals will come to power in Kiev. Whether it will be at the head of them that the Tighnibok, Yarosh, or someone unknown today, is no longer important. But the lack of an adequate response to their actions, the result of which may be the repetition of the fate of Bandera and his supporters by neo-Nazis, means the transformation of Ukraine into the fourth Reich with some local Führer at the head. In this case, the transformation of the former brotherly republic into the mortal enemy of Russia, bordering on it and having at the same time sufficient economic potential in the part of heavy industry and the military-industrial complex, is a matter of technology.

Judging by the results of the propaganda anti-Russian hysteria of the Ukrainian media, the zombies of the Ukrainian population will take no more time than the Germans in the Third Reich. Taking into account television and the Internet - rather less. And then the imminent war looms after some time, but without any alternative, since people rushing to power in Ukraine will simply have to fulfill their campaign promises — both with regard to the return of the Crimea, and in relation to Russia. Hoping that at the head of a country they suddenly turn into moderate realists is as clever as relying on agreements with Hitler. However, France and the United Kingdom did it in their time in Munich.

A truly critical scenario is the entry of Ukraine and, possibly, Georgia, with which it was promised quite a long time ago, to NATO with the deployment on their territory of all that military infrastructure of the North Atlantic Alliance, which could be created there with such a development. Such an option for Moscow is a threat of the same order as the appearance of Soviet missiles in Cuba during the time of the Caribbean crisis for the United States. There are no real reasons for this, apart from the desire to “put Russia in its place”. However, depending on how the internal political situation in NATO countries, primarily in the United States, develops, a crisis scenario of this kind is possible, since foreign policy in the modern world is to a great extent a reflection of domestic policy.

The problem is that with regard to Russia in the West there are so many phobias, and from very old times, that no arguments of domestic diplomats, reasonable compromises that make Ukraine’s position, compromise projects, and other steps towards the “world community” are perceived in Western capitals and they will not be controlled by international organizations. This does not mean that the work is in vain. In the end, diplomats have their own work, politicians have their own, and the military and intelligence have their own. But to observe what Ukraine is turning into, knowing that the next candidate for organizing Maidan is Moscow, it would be strange for Russia without a corresponding reaction.

Ideological war has not been canceled

It is pointless to discuss the legality or inappropriateness of Russia's actions with regard to Ukraine. Compared to the operations of NATO and the Western coalitions in Yugoslavia, in the Middle East, all that can be expected from the national leadership is the behavior of the diligent student, who follows the example of the Gopnik group, which many senior military of the Western bloc recognize in private conversations. Although in the world media it is Russia that is the aggressor and the aggressor, it will remain regardless of the real situation in Ukraine.

You should not pay attention to the foreign press: no one has canceled the ideological and information war. It is necessary to resist hostile propaganda, although the ability to do this at the level that the situation requires is not available in the current national broadcasting system, despite the assurances of its leadership. But it is necessary to understand what is behind the hysteria of the Western political establishment in relation to Russia, manifested primarily in the statements of the British and American political leadership. For Ukraine itself, it has a very remote relationship.

The problems that have caused such an inadequate reaction of the Western community in relation to the Russian-Ukrainian crisis, which the USA and the EU themselves have provoked, lie in the gradual weakening of the Western world. Including the United States, which is no longer the undisputed world arbiter. Separatism in Europe itself can lead to a reformatting of the EU. The example of the Crimean referendum inspires supporters of the independence of Veneto, Scotland, Catalonia, the Basque Country and Flanders.

In addition, the political and military failures of NATO in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt, Syria and other countries of the "Arab Spring" are obvious. Neither the Middle Eastern leaders, nor terrorist groups, nor tribal unions of Africa and the Near and Middle East are any more subject to successful manipulation. Russia here, unlike the USSR, plays an important but exclusively political role, acting in the UN Security Council in an alliance with China. However, the unipolar world that emerged after 1991 is clearly failing, which, in particular, demonstrates the course of the civil war in Syria.

In addition, the West can not solve the problem of illegal emigration to the EU and the United States. Israel’s resistance to attempts to impose on it voluntaristic decisions dangerous for its existence, lobbied by the Gulf monarchies, is growing. The policy of sanctions against Iran failed. The realization that Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Qatar are more likely opponents of the West than allies does not strengthen the position of Washington and Brussels. And the fact that the relationship between the floodplains no longer depends on the position of the United States, but solely on their internal conflicts, as the recall of the ambassadors of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates from Qatar has shown, undermines trust in the ability of the European Commissioner for International Affairs affairs and security control the situation in the world.

A unique feature of modern Russia, which inherited nuclear and space technologies from the USSR, is the impossibility of destroying it within the framework of military confrontation without corresponding consequences. Our country can so far destroy any adversary, including the United States. It was the fear of its military power that lay at the heart of the Cold War and seems to be becoming relevant again. The very fact that the Russian Federation has taken a position opposite to the western one in the conditions of the Ukrainian crisis is not so dangerous for the positioning of the USA and the EU as leaders of the modern world. Traditionally, in the previous two decades, Russia's special position in the UN was simply ignored. A dangerous example.

The fact that the Russian Federation was able to carry out actions aimed at protecting national interests, and in response failed and, it is possible, will not be able to oppose anything other than information noise and strange looking sanctions against individual people, shocked Russia's western partners. Obviously, the logic of their actions in Ukraine was not based on a deliberate strategy, but on emotions. And this is much more dangerous and requires increased attention to the situation.
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  1. johnsnz
    johnsnz April 2 2014 15: 29
    +10
    Based on today's realities in Ukraine, everything, unfortunately, goes according to the Yugoslav scenario
    1. CTEPX
      CTEPX April 2 2014 16: 27
      +8
      Quote: johnsnz
      everything goes, unfortunately, according to the Yugoslav scenario

      The Yugoslav scenario is very optimistic. For him to fight and fight. The fascism of Ukraine is very real (and the author writes about this). Actually, for the sake of this opportunity, everything is Anglo-Saxon and started)).
      1. avg
        avg April 2 2014 16: 49
        +5
        And why does the Banderlog in the photo have the slogan "For Ukraine!" Is it written on the back of the helmet? So that the enemies do not rush in pursuit of the brave young man? request
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ April 2 2014 18: 18
          +20
          It is necessary to frankly admit to myself that the WAR is not for Ukraine, the WAR for the Russian world, for Russia.
          Let's be honest with ourselves, the first stage of this war is the Russian world, Russia lost.

          The enemy is near the borders of Russia, 200-300 km from Moscow, a few kilometers from the second capital of Leningrad-St. Petersburg. The roar of enemy tanks is already heard in Russian cities close to Moscow.
          The enemy actually seized the entire so-called "Ukraine", won over to his side the majority of the population of the Russian world living in this "Ukraine". Only Crimea was defended.
          The enemy conducts secret subversive work in Russia, introduced his agents of influence, spies in the highest power structures, conducts open demonstrations under the Nazi slogans of Bandera in Moscow.
          What to do? Well-known Russian question, after getting into this .. mm-mm position.
          In my opinion, in this situation, the Russian world, in particular Russia, needs to destroy the 5th column of traitors in Russia, in power, the media, in the financial and banking sector, in the economy, to strengthen the armed forces and defense, until they destroy Russia.
          At the same time, Russia and the Russian population of "Ukraine" conduct ideological indoctrination of the pro-Russian population in "Ukraine", create partisan detachments of "polite people" there for the armed struggle against the Nazis, Bandera, create people's self-government bodies in the regions, and above all the pro-Russian South-East " Ukraine ", which will be able to resolve the issues of a referendum on the self-determination of regions and their separation from the Nazi territory of Bandera and disruption of the illegitimate presidential elections" Ukraine ".

          After this, there should be a question of a further, first of all, ideological attack on the remaining territory of the Russian world occupied by the Nazis with a view to its complete liberation from the enemy.
          1. Vadim12
            Vadim12 April 2 2014 21: 10
            +7
            Unfortunately, it reaches the youth very slowly. Most of them mistakenly consider the United States the standard of everything. The brainwashing of Russians of the 90s and 00s makes itself felt.
            Ideological preparation must be returned to the school curriculum to introduce fundamental changes. (after Fursenko there is some kind of horror)
          2. CALL.
            CALL. April 3 2014 07: 53
            +1
            Quote: vladimirZ
            And in Israel, without much fuss, they are preparing for a mass exodus of the Jewish population of Ukraine, inevitable in the event of an aggravation of the situation there. Fortunately, the Jewish Agency has the relevant experience gained during the civil wars and unrest in Georgia, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan.

            But Russia has such an experience ???
        2. Grenader
          Grenader April 2 2014 19: 03
          +9
          Kh.okhlov will be severely disappointed in the future. No Nazi state has ever achieved long-term success. The state ideology built on insulting other people is doomed to failure. Youngsters are yelling "yaku on gilyak" out of idiocy, politicians on the basis of selling themselves to the European Union and NATO and having money from it without doing anything. Ukraine has not tried to work for 23 years of independence and is not going to try. The prostitution habit of Ukrainian politicians to trade in the country is strong. Ordinary people dream of working in Europe for 1000 euros a month, but they do not understand that the labor market there is limited. "A bright Ukrainian future is not far off, let's see what slogans will be shouting on the Maidan in three years.
          1. Penzyac
            Penzyac April 2 2014 22: 32
            +1
            Quote: Grenader
            ... let's see what slogans will shout on the Maidan in three years.


            I think it’s more appropriate to count months, not years.
        3. Rus2012
          Rus2012 April 2 2014 19: 23
          +8
          Quote: avg
          slogan "For Ukraine!"

          and meanwhile -
          In Ukraine, banned Russian sweets "Bear-toed"
          laughing
          Confectionery products of a number of Russian manufacturers are prohibited for sale in Ukraine due to "non-compliance with safety requirements." The list of banned products included candies “Bear-toed”


          Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/26243#ixzz2xk6QZLCB

          Apparently because of this -
      2. Ivan 63
        Ivan 63 April 2 2014 19: 30
        +1
        I agree that Yugoslav (or rather anti-Russian) so far we have just removed from this scenario the conflict developed by the Anglo-Saxons with the Crimean Tatars, but something worse remains - the Westerners and not the religious, ethnic conflict, but the war of the Nazis with Ukrainians, Russians and Russia.
      3. Ivan 63
        Ivan 63 April 2 2014 19: 30
        +1
        I agree that Yugoslav (or rather anti-Russian) so far we have just removed from this scenario the conflict developed by the Anglo-Saxons with the Crimean Tatars, but something worse remains - the Westerners and not the religious, ethnic conflict, but the war of the Nazis with Ukrainians, Russians and Russia.
      4. Flooding
        Flooding April 2 2014 20: 22
        +4
        Quote: ctepx
        Very real fascization Ukraine

        The most pessimistic option, but actually possible
        Quote: http://mechtatell2007.livejournal.com/
        In the city of Zhdanovka, Donetsk region, near the village. Lower Krynka, the construction of a regional concentration migration center for the temporary detention of persons subject to deportation is underway. The customer is the migration service, the contractor is a Turkish company, financed by the European Union. In the territory of the former military unit.
        Construction has been underway since October 2013. at a fast pace, according to the schedule, they must hand over the object in April 2014, but in fact they will be completed in May.

      5. Flooding
        Flooding April 2 2014 20: 26
        +5
        Here is another photo, with a small fence
    2. waisson
      waisson April 2 2014 16: 47
      +9
      the director is one
    3. polite people
      polite people April 2 2014 19: 29
      +2
      Well, there was still not enough NATO bombing.
      No, now there is a new scenario still unknown to the world.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac April 2 2014 23: 13
        +1
        Quote: polite people
        Well, there was still not enough NATO bombing.
        No, now there is a new scenario still unknown to the world.


        The scenario is not at all new - variations on the theme of Egypt (during the overthrow of Mubarak), only instead of not quite "their" Islamist fascists, the "good old" completely "European" Nazis of varying degrees of radicalism.
        And as for the NATO democratizing bombing, so Russia is not Yugoslavia - it’s the same as licking iron scrap in the cold in the cold. It’s all the same to bomb Ukraine, what to bomb Kosovo instead of Serbia.
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    5. Stalker
      Stalker April 2 2014 19: 49
      +6
      Based on today's realities in Ukraine, everything, unfortunately, goes according to the Yugoslav scenario

      Yatsenyuk turned for help to Monica Lewinsky, as the only person who has experience in meeting the requirements of the main member of NATO.
      laughing
  2. patriot123
    patriot123 April 2 2014 15: 30
    +19
    THEY EVEN WORSE !! The Nazis did not have brotherly people !! and here they are ready to cut their own!
    1. Corsair
      Corsair April 2 2014 16: 18
      +9
      Quote: patriot123
      THEY EVEN WORSE !! The Nazis did not have brotherly people !! and here they are ready to cut their!

      Wait, wait ...
      Very little time will pass and SAMA the newfound Vlad will eradicate in the majority, she deceived, such a desire (VIDEO):
      1. TekhnarMAF
        TekhnarMAF April 2 2014 17: 49
        +2
        Yes, this is not a desire, this is the result of a trivial coming to the "trough"! How many authorities were there in Nezalezhnay? What have they really done for the people? It is no longer possible to rob, you need to know you need to find a gatekeeper and under this ensign (all around you!) Get the throne and, under the brand name of gatekeepers, take away what remains! I will not develop the topic - everything is clear!
    2. lg41
      lg41 April 2 2014 18: 15
      +1
      The main population of Galicia is the descendants of the Celts. These are not Slavs. This is not a brotherly people
      1. matross
        matross April 2 2014 20: 25
        +10
        Quote: lg41
        The main population of Galicia is the descendants of the Celts. These are not Slavs. This is not a brotherly people

        Yes, even the Zulus! We will spill out brothers, weaning sisters, wean barking in Russia! angry am
      2. Setrac
        Setrac April 2 2014 20: 52
        +1
        Quote: lg41
        The main population of Galicia is the descendants of the Celts. These are not Slavs. This is not a brotherly people

        Cons set! But what about the slogan: Better a bitter truth than a sweet lie?
        I want to make a couple of examples.
        Latin the first letters of alpha and betta, from here came Alphabit, or the alphabet in Russian
        The Russian language is Az Buki, hence the Alphabet
        The Celts first letters are completely different: the first Bible, the second Los, hence the Byblos - the Bible.
        1. kare
          kare April 2 2014 22: 15
          0
          Sergey, I beg your pardon, not "Buki" but "Gods"
          recourse
        2. Penzyac
          Penzyac April 2 2014 23: 50
          +1
          Quote: Setrac
          Quote: lg41
          The main population of Galicia is the descendants of the Celts. These are not Slavs. This is not a brotherly people

          Cons set! But what about the slogan: Better a bitter truth than a sweet lie?
          I want to make a couple of examples.
          Latin the first letters of alpha and betta, from here came Alphabit, or the alphabet in Russian
          The Russian language is Az Buki, hence the Alphabet
          The Celts first letters are completely different: the first Bible, the second Los, hence the Byblos - the Bible.


          There is simply no truth in the statement that Galicians are not ethnically Russian, just not the slightest. It's just that modern Galicians (along with Poles and Lithuanians) are the result of centuries-old aggressive Catholicization of the Slavs (in Galicia up to the genocide in the First World War). By the way, it is surprising how a significant part of the Galicians in such conditions still retained their Russianness and loyalty to the Orthodoxy of the Moscow Patriarchate (the Pochaev Lavra alone is worth something). And you say: "not brothers." It's a shame! ...
          1. Setrac
            Setrac April 3 2014 00: 01
            0
            Quote: PENZYAC
            Just in the statement that the Galicians are not ethnically Russian there is no truth, just the slightest.

            Genetics showed that Galicians are 60-70% Celts, then Semites, and only then Russians (Slavs).
      3. Penzyac
        Penzyac April 2 2014 23: 30
        +1
        Quote: lg41
        The main population of Galicia is the descendants of the Celts. These are not Slavs. This is not a brotherly people


        Galician pseudo-historians have read?
        By the way, according to one of the newfangled theories, the Celts are one of the Proto-Slavic (Prussian) tribes along with, for example, the Etruscans.
    3. Penzyac
      Penzyac April 2 2014 23: 16
      +1
      Quote: patriot123
      THEY EVEN WORSE !! The Nazis did not have brotherly people !! and here they are ready to cut their own!


      How was it not? And the Austrians? Once, and "Anschluss" ...
  3. Rupor
    Rupor April 2 2014 15: 30
    +8
    Ukraine is heading towards chaos and civil war. The West needs the toughest nationalist government in order to maintain power in such conditions. The West believes that they can hang the blame for the situation on Russia, and they want to use the situation itself to oust the Russian-speaking and deeper Ukrainization of the population.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal April 2 2014 16: 09
      +10
      Quote: Rupor
      The West believes that they can hang the blame for the situation on Russia, and they want to use the situation itself to oust the Russian-speaking and deeper Ukrainization of the population.

      - Well, it's time for Putin to look for a large bolt with a particularly tricky thread - such a bolt is a situation! We are waiting for squeals when the bolt is activated - for me it is music, well, here I am such a musical perversion, sorry -))))
    2. lg41
      lg41 April 2 2014 18: 17
      +2
      The task of the United States - the deployment of missile systems and military bases in Ukraine
      1. asar
        asar April 3 2014 07: 40
        0
        and how they "flew" with the Crimea! laughing
    3. Penzyac
      Penzyac April 2 2014 23: 57
      0
      Quote: Rupor
      ... The West believes that they can hang the blame for the situation on Russia, and they want to use the situation itself to oust the Russian-speaking and deeper Ukrainization of the population.


      The West is used to counting everything on a computer, and the result as a computer weather forecast is only three days ahead (and that is the question), and the further you go, the closer to the fortune-telling on the coffee grounds.
  4. Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol April 2 2014 15: 31
    +13
    The situation with Ukraine and the reaction of the West clearly revealed:

    1. Strong west, turned out to be "strong" only with weak countries, and in the absence of a strong "partner".
    2. The emergence of such players as China, and present-day Russia, has shown that the era of One Power is over.
    3. A conversation from a position of strength and arms, with "partners" of the same level is impossible.
    4. In conditions of deep economic ties, attempts at pressure are tantamount to attempts by the left hand to hit the right hand, complaining to the head that the reason is "w..n".

    However, welcome to the real Fight Club, gentlemen of the Westerners.
    1. ya.seliwerstov2013
      ya.seliwerstov2013 April 2 2014 15: 45
      +15
      Lying, you won’t pass!
    2. aksakal
      aksakal April 2 2014 16: 12
      +3
      Quote: Oleg Sobol
      are tantamount to the attempts of the left hand to hit the right hand, complaining to the head that the reason is "w..n".

      - the output is the same as in my previous post:
      Quote: aksakal
      Well, it's time for Putin to look for a big bolt with a particularly tricky thread - such a bolt is a situation!

      - there it will only help, but both hands still have to sweat
  5. mountain
    mountain April 2 2014 15: 32
    +4
    There will be no Yugoslav scenario, there will be Russian.
    1. Sergh
      Sergh April 2 2014 19: 56
      +1
      Quote: mountain
      There will be no Yugoslav scenario, there will be a Russian

      Of course it won't. Putin will simply knock everyone out (figuratively) and he personally said that. SSHA and the West, in the likeness of Libya, would have come to us a long time ago, BUT the molars had already been erased before the gums and realized that even attempts on their part were not expected, but on the contrary, the gop bench press didn’t arrive this time.
  6. 51064
    51064 April 2 2014 15: 33
    +10
    Quote: johnsnz
    Based on today's realities in Ukraine, everything, unfortunately, goes according to the Yugoslav scenario

    She already spoke about 8 Russians in Ukraine, promised to "shoot from atomic weapons," but she refuses, what she said in a telephone conversation
    1. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik April 2 2014 15: 43
      +2
      Quote: 51064
      Quote: johnsnz
      Based on today's realities in Ukraine, everything, unfortunately, goes according to the Yugoslav scenario

      It has already been said about her about 8 Russians in Ukraine, she promised to "shoot from atomic weapons," although she refuses, what she said in a telephone conversation
      1. Turik
        Turik April 2 2014 17: 25
        0
        Darth Vader - Our candidate!
  7. psychologist
    psychologist April 2 2014 15: 34
    +4
    most importantly, that will end too !! take into account the Nazis is always alone !!!
  8. 51064
    51064 April 2 2014 15: 36
    +8
    Quote: mountain
    There will be no Yugoslav scenario, there will be Russian.

    Yes, gentlemen from the West did not go according to the established scheme
  9. Oleg Prophetic
    Oleg Prophetic April 2 2014 15: 39
    +10
    Yes, the Nazis have already begun to come to power, (in our north on all the pillars and walls, the death is written Mosk_lyam). But until the election, I think nothing will happen, and then (scary to imagine) For the Russian army, only it can restore order with us.
    1. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik April 2 2014 15: 44
      +13
      Quote: Oleg prophetic
      Yes, the Nazis have already begun to come to power, (in our north on all the pillars and walls, the death is written Mosk_lyam). But until the election, I think nothing will happen, and then (scary to imagine) For the Russian army, only it can restore order with us.


      From the network:
      Received a letter from her friend Katya, she lives in Ukraine. And in it is true felts, felts a joke.

      Katya writes to me:

      "... every day we are shown on Ukrainian TV how in Russia all the intelligentsia, writers and even artists rebelled against the aggressive policy of Putin, who perfidiously seized Crimea.
      Putin told Rada: "Either Yanukovych will be president again, or I will take Crimea." He said so firmly. It seems like he delivered an ultimatum.
      Rada did not agree, so he took it.
      They say that in Russia everyone is very unhappy with this, and look at that too, they will go to the Maidan. Even Valery Zolotukhin two days ago performed roofing felts on Pershem, roofing felts on Channel Five. True, he didn’t speak live, but by appointment. We only showed his portrait.
      And now Putin is going to go to Kiev as well. "

      And at the end of the postscript:
      "- You, Olya, don't go to this accursed Maidan yourself. Don't let your children in either. Don't go to the demonstration either. Every day they show us how people in cities all over Russia go out against Putin with placards, and then they are thrown into paddy wagons and mocked in the same way as here. "

      I calmed my friend as best I could. She explained everything in detail about the popular protests, which were not directed against Putin, but against Bandera, and explained that Russia does not want to fight with anyone. Of course, Putin did not tell me about his plans, but in my opinion, he is definitely not going to take Kiev-grad. She promised not to go to the Maidan. And with all my desire, even if he happened in Russia, "this accursed Maidan", she could not attend it, because from Irkutsk to Bolotnaya there are 5000 kilometers.

      About Katya's beloved artist Valery Zolotukhin she did not write anything, she did not want to upset. She does not know that he died before Putin “captured” Crimea ... On March 30, 2013, our favorite artist died ...

      And it is not clear whether Katya missed information about his death, or a year ago this information was not at all.

      Maybe my friend did not understand something from that recent program, where only the artist's portrait was shown, and it was a matter of recording, but one of the Ukrainian journalists said the same thing in "Live" on the First Channel of Russian TV ...

      One thing is clear: the population is being zombified, and the "truthful" TV of Ukraine could well have "honored" the anniversary of Valery Zolotukhin's memory in this way. After all, Savik Shuster is hammering into people delirium about the war that Russia is waging in Crimea, and about the referendum "at gunpoint".

      source: http://www.proza.ru/2014/03/22/1414
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev April 2 2014 16: 08
        +4
        Quote: podpolkovnik
        Putin told Rada: "Either Yanukovych will be president again, or I will take Crimea." He said so firmly. It seems like he delivered an ultimatum.

        Reminds monologues of the unforgettable Mikhail Evdokimov. yes
        Well, about zombies, there's nothing to be done about it ... requestah, it’s not difficult to get me zombied, I’m glad to be zombied myself.
        But nothing, re-zombified. To feed 45 million zombies (with, of course, a significant exception, I do not believe that everyone in Ukraine is completely fucked up), and because of them, zombies for the whole head, create a threat to security and economic problems for their countries nobody will, to the great disappointment of their leaders, by the way, yes , despite the Maidan and elections.
        1. skifd
          skifd April 2 2014 16: 47
          +8
          Meanwhile, in Ukraine:

          "BULLETIN OF REVOLUTION №18

          Fool's Day failed. No one could distinguish the draws from the Ukrainian news.

          Maidan activists changed their minds about dismantling the barricades and took away a tractor and a truck from Kiev communal workers. The technique is useful for breaking cabbage ridges and harvesting early radishes.

          On the Maidan, a dispute arose, turning into a mass brawl, over the everyday issue of the use of pig manure. They decided not to throw away "brown gold", but they disagreed that it is better to add red Californian worms to the pigs' feed to obtain high-quality humus or to process manure into oil so as not to depend on Russian gas.

          Incredible Ukrainian media reprinted some photos of some security officials from the American publication The Daily Beast with incredible efforts. It’s necessary, in the end, to write off the history of snipers on someone!

          The Central Election Commission unanimously registered Yarosh as a presidential candidate, as Sberbank unanimously confirmed that he had taken the box office in 2,5 million.

          Sniper tracks, as free journalists found out, are being taken to the FSB. And where else should they lead ?! !! Not in the CIA !!!

          The new authorities aimed to rename the police to the police, but before that they would massively reduce, dissolve and reform them. Many themselves fled. Therefore, it makes sense not to bother with the police, but simply to recruit police units. It is in the spirit of the times.

          The "Right Sector" said it would be in the first trenches if there is war tomorrow. The governor of Donetsk has already dug trenches. But since there is no war, what are the pants in the trenches to sit out? Before the war, it was decided to rest near Kiev.

          Armed militants, according to their truthful statements, have no weapons. They have hunter friends, machine gun friends, machine gun friends and grenade throwers.

          The "Right Sector" suddenly surprised the public with a passion for music. Moving from the Dnipro Hotel, almost all the fighters took violins, oboes, clarinets and cello with them in their cases. They also carried whole bags of audio recordings from Mussorgsky, Massenet and Chopin.

          Ukraine is a unique country! Only here, pensioners and unemployed are so wealthy that they can afford to spend 2,5 million on the “Become President” lottery.

          Everything for the front! The National Guard transferred humanitarian aid from the Maidan attack aircraft - a truck of cocktails. Molotov.

          The Ukrainian army, sent to fight with the adversary, was lost somewhere among the farmsteads. Evil tongues claim that the military has so far been transferred to pasture, since dry rations donated by Obama are necessary in case of Russian aggression. A crunch of American crackers will scare away the enemy.

          Save Private Galushko. Near Dnepropetrovsk in army tents 640 mobilized for war with Russia are forgotten. During the exercises, they were taught to lie on army beds and shoot at 15 cartridges for each reservist. But there’s no war ...

          Parliament suddenly announced a break due to the fact that the deputies did not have enough hands to secure a vote. But, they say that they still have addresses to which they will find votes.

          Tymoshenko's heels are difficult, but without heels, a skirt and a ghoul on the back of her head, no one believes that she is a woman.

          The former head of the Security Council predicted a treacherous attack on Russia two days ago. Today he predicted that Russia was not going to attack. Dreams of the glory of Globa.

          The Ministry of Defense does not know how to withdraw military units from Crimea now. It was planned that all personnel would either die in battles with the aggressor or go over to the side of the enemy. Well, the Russian army will vilely capture technology.

          Too many facts indicate that the organizers, the militants, and the Maidan participants are Kremlin agents. Everything was invented by Putin from the very beginning. "
          1. skifd
            skifd April 2 2014 16: 49
            +4
            Quote: skifd
            Meanwhile, in Ukraine:


            Continuation:

            "
            It’s a pity that Crimea is already in Russia. With Crimea, Tymoshenko could have shot as many as 1.5 million more Russians from nuclear weapons.

            The Washington Post believes that Europe does not have to click its beak about Putin. He will reach Berlin.

            Here's the question: will lovers of a sweet life vote for Poroshenko?

            The United States completed secret tests of a top-secret drone capable of destroying Russian satellites with invisible purple rays. The test results and drone circuit published "News of the Rivne."

            For Odessa did not forget! It is in Odessa that the Zaporozhye killer submarine is towed. Now the army of defenders in the person of the governor and two or three of his deputies can hit the enemy directly from the submarine!

            Due to the unfulfilled expectations of the war, the Ukrainian parliament decided to turn the country into a military training ground, allowing 8 exercises for 17 countries of the world. Let others shoot at least!

            George Lucas was about to run into Darth Vader, who blew up the stagnant swamp of Ukrainian ratings. For using the image. He does not understand that Darth Vader is the real one of all the candidates for the presidency of Ukraine.

            Tymoshenko did not withdraw from the election for Poroshenko. In support of the competitor, she promised to eat Roshen candy “Evening Kiev”. Well, or suck a lollipop.

            Poroshenko promised to employ Tymoshenko after his victory. Put on the packaging of bars.

            On the Getman Sagaidachny warship, a third of the crew suddenly wanted to regain Crimea. Or return yourself to the Crimea.

            For the first time in history, Ukraine dropped the hryvnia to the 11 mark. And there are so many historical milestones ahead!

            Ukrainian authorities figured out how to pay pensions in Crimea. A law has been passed in Kiev, according to which Crimean entrepreneurs and Crimean authorities will be responsible for Crimean pensioners. Wisely! However, Crimea is already in Russia.

            According to rumors spread by relatives of friends of Yanukovych’s neighbors, he is sunbathing in Sochi on a private beach with his mistress and her dog. This was reported to sources by friends of friends of the guards of the owners of the villa rented by the president on the coast. Yanukovych pays exclusively with golden loaves, golden crusts and golden bagels. Sochi weather became another severe test for the runaway head of Ukraine - at + 9 degrees it is very difficult to sunbathe.

            No money left."
            1. thrower
              thrower April 2 2014 17: 03
              +3
              Read. It's funny of course, but it seems like in Ukraine such headlines are in the news all year round.

              Do not even laugh at all, any headline may turn out to be true tomorrow.
              1. hommer
                hommer April 2 2014 22: 01
                +2
                Quote: thrower
                Do not even laugh at all, any headline may turn out to be true tomorrow.


                - Izya! What is happening in Ukraine? - Sema, a complete madhouse! Russian troops surrounded the Ukrainian military unit and shouted: “Surrender!” And they are answered from there: “The Russians are not surrendering!”
    2. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 2 2014 16: 47
      +5
      Quote: Oleg the Prophetic
      For the Russian army, only she can restore order with us.

      Yes, you went crazy! With honesty! With your absolutely irrational Russophobia! And with your constant statements that someone owes you something! With your egoism and narcissism turned into a state idea! Go to hell! There is no strength to hold you back! Yes and there is no desire either!
    3. niki233
      niki233 April 2 2014 19: 07
      +2
      only you can put things in order, but the Russian army can help, but you and no one else should start, otherwise it will be pure occupation hi
  10. 111 soldier
    111 soldier April 2 2014 15: 41
    +5
    mdaaaa, launched the country specifically !! so many years Natsik grown !! (((
  11. svp67
    svp67 April 2 2014 15: 42
    +1
    Ukraine as the fourth Reich
    - Isn’t it time for the Russian Orthodox Church to say its weighty word, otherwise it may be too late ...
    1. Gregazov
      Gregazov April 2 2014 16: 37
      +8
      Quote: svp67
      Ukraine as the fourth Reich
      - Isn’t it time for the Russian Orthodox Church to say its weighty word, otherwise it may be too late ...

      I don’t know how it is in your locality, but here in Novocherkassk, Rostov Region, we, with the whole temple, together with the priest kneel in prayer to the Lord with this prayer:
      On your Fatherland, Russia, pour out Your grace God! May all peoples who inhabit it be united into one family. Confessing you, the Heavenly Father, who is of the same mind, who for the rest of her life has been unanimously arranging by faith, that there will be one flock and one Shepherd. May there be daily and spiritual bread for all without withdrawal. May there be peace and love between all and may the power of the enemies of internal and external, evil sowers, be weakened, the tares spit on Your field, writing, word or deed bringing unsteadiness to the minds, bitterness in the hearts, temptation, contention and all kinds of filth in life. Lord, send good workers to your Russian field ...
      I think that such a prayer is not only uttered by us, but by the entire Russian Orthodox Church, and not only in the church but also at home. Perhaps this is the most weighty word of the Church.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac April 2 2014 21: 19
        0
        Quote: GregAzov
        I don’t know how it is in your locality, but here in Novocherkassk, Rostov Region, we, with the whole temple, together with the priest kneel in prayer to the Lord with this prayer:

        What is your specialty? What do you do for a living?
    2. Orik
      Orik April 2 2014 16: 48
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      Ukraine as the fourth Reich
      - Isn’t it time for the Russian Orthodox Church to say its weighty word, otherwise it may be too late ...

      What's the point? We have real Orthodox (not by name) 6-9%, the rest will not listen. In Ukraine, try to tell me, besides the UOC-MP, there are two more schismatic "Orthodox" and one Greek-Catholic, these are just waiting for an excuse to tear apart the UOC-MP. Yes, and in the Ukrainian exarchate of the MP itself there are many Ukrainian priests and bishops.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 2 2014 19: 07
        +1
        Quote: Orik
        What's the point?

        There is a sense in everything ... As long as there is an opportunity to influence peacefully, we must try ... Even 6-9% is already something ...
        1. Orik
          Orik April 3 2014 18: 52
          0
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Orik
          What's the point?

          There is a sense in everything ... As long as there is an opportunity to influence peacefully, we must try ... Even 6-9% is already something ...

          So these 6-9% have long been firmly in favor of unity, and the call only persecution will intensify.
  12. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS April 2 2014 15: 43
    0
    In Ukraine, a President was elected for whom 85% voted, Ukraine joined the CU, Russian was declared the second state language, right-wing sector militants were disarmed and detained, 2015 was declared the year of Russian culture in Ukraine - in general, it was April 1 yesterday! laughing
  13. fly fishing
    fly fishing April 2 2014 15: 44
    +2
    Quote: Oleg prophetic
    For the Russian army, only she can restore order with us.

    Oleg welcome! Together it is necessary to restore order, only in this way, and not otherwise. It will turn out!
    1. theadenter
      theadenter April 2 2014 16: 25
      +4
      By the way, judging by the news, today they took the Liner into service! HOORAY!
  14. diff
    diff April 2 2014 15: 51
    +3
    The people of Ukraine do not have a serious leader. Without it, it's just a crowd, and uncontrollable. The fact that Ukraine as it is is not to save is a fact. No matter how tragic everything looks, but in Ukraine there is a desire to fight against everything fascist-American, our authorities should help organize the masses as a whole.
    Near the embassies of free Europe in Moscow, the joint venture needs to hold pickets, with calls to leave Ukraine alone and remove its secret special forces, etc.
  15. Stiletto
    Stiletto April 2 2014 15: 55
    +6
    Quote: 51064
    She already spoke about 8 Russians in Ukraine, promised to "shoot from atomic weapons," but she refuses, what she said in a telephone conversation


    One thing this "donut hole" Yulia did not take into account was that we have atomic weapons. And she has two options: suffocate with gas (or without gas, at choice), well, as an option - from her own climacteric anger.
  16. Bargus
    Bargus April 2 2014 15: 57
    +3
    It’s enough to draw parallels, the main essence of the event, but one thing through a mess in Ukraine, aggravate the already difficult state of the Russian economy, push the different party and multinational masses of Russia into hope, hoping to sow discord among the people, so that they will take another step towards the cherished dream to begin expansion in Russia. I didn’t succeed, Russia does not sleep, the government and people are united, although the Russians have an ambiguous attitude to the decisions and actions of the current government.
  17. mig31
    mig31 April 2 2014 15: 59
    +3
    Why, how ..., a small modernization of the CIA, and here's a spark, God forbid, a third world war .... The whole world has to put out.
  18. kotyara
    kotyara April 2 2014 16: 01
    +11
    CREATIVITY ON THE THEME OF ELECTIONS IN UKRAINE
    Once on the edge, I’m facing a choice. Who to choose in ... presidents: Tyagniboka or Yu? "Yu" - of course, beauty! boobs, ass and braid! but Tyagnibok’s entire “Freedom” has a voice !. Lady Yu, threatens Moscow! (exacerbation in the spring) says that they say he has an ace trump in his sleeve !. He says that she’ll cut it like a chicken ... And who doesn’t cut it, it will simply drive it out !. He says, “the free world” will turn Moscow into a toilet! Although, to me personally, it seems to be surrendering ... Julia sniffs the air ... Tyagnibok, in Moscow on a tank, wants to enter early! Where did he see tanks with us? il watched TV on a booze ?. Yarosh can still ... He has an account with Russia! But somehow I’m not sure that I will survive until May ... Is there such a mess, applicants, in general darkness, they just closed everything at once, crazy houses? Only, if you don’t choose, there’s only one way ... and he’s not in paradise ... It’s like you and I are in the anus, the brothers got in by chance ... And I, the mother of the nation, decided to go to the presidency myself! I, friends, have no other way! Although perhaps I am blessed, I know how we can get up from our knees! Declare war on Russia, and ... SUDDENLY surrender! Putin does not expect this, and will not find the answer! Suddenly we will have time to register ... If you are very lucky !!!!!
  19. Dezinto
    Dezinto April 2 2014 16: 06
    +11
    "Listen, human cub," the bear said to Baloo, "I taught you the Law of the Jungle, but the Banderlog has no Law. The Banderlog are outcasts. They have no tongue of their own, they use stolen words. They are not our customs. They have no memory. They assure that they are a great people, but a nut falls, and they forget everything about it.Banderlog are many, they are evil, dirty, have no shame, and if they have any desire, then it is precisely the desire to be noticed in the jungle . They are all going to choose a leader, make their own laws, come up with customs, but they never fulfill their plans. "
    1. polite people
      polite people April 2 2014 19: 33
      +6
      They are afraid of our children.
      Because our children over the past 20 years have become different.
  20. doc62
    doc62 April 2 2014 16: 06
    +4
    commemoration in Ukraine
  21. Vtel
    Vtel April 2 2014 16: 29
    +1
    Praise God that he is, was and will be, and most importantly, that he is with us. So sho skilko star-striped bulls did not moo, but the shepherd pacifies them and in the stall.
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  23. Alexey
    Alexey April 2 2014 16: 37
    0
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8s1IetITWs это мобилизация юго-восток украины уже 6-го! посмотрите
  24. siberalt
    siberalt April 2 2014 17: 22
    +3
    Third Reich - fascist Germany, as the "successor" of the Roman Empire. The European Union is the prototype of the fourth. What is Ukraine? Just a tool for breaking into enemy defenses, i.e. Russia. Maybe then Georgia is already the fifth? laughingHow much honor?
  25. Dezinto
    Dezinto April 2 2014 17: 23
    +5
    Offffig what I read! -here's a pearl, smile:

    Tyagnibok asks the United States to lend money to the Ukrainian army.
    "We propose to appeal to the US Congress with an appeal to revive the principle of the so-called Lend-Lease, which was proposed by Roosevelt after World War II," in the format of the "anti-Putin coalition", he urged.

    "This principle stipulates that a country that suffers from an aggressor, but does not have the funds to purchase weapons, can borrow funds from other countries. And after overcoming the aggression, this equipment, which was engaged in, will be given," Tyagnibok explained.

    Wretched and unaware that:
    a) The Law on Lend-Lease in the USA was adopted in 1941.
    b) Roosevelt died before the end of World War II.
    c) Lend-lease did not give money, but weapons, machines, materials, food, etc.
    d) The equipment delivered and remaining after the war was paid for and only at the request of the United States was returned.

    Is he really going to start a war with Russia and win?
  26. awg75
    awg75 April 2 2014 17: 28
    0
    The big top circus doesn’t look like the 4th Reich.
  27. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 2 2014 17: 40
    +3
    Quote: awg75
    The big top circus doesn’t look like the 4th Reich.

    Until the summer, I think either the donkey will die or the padis will die
  28. Cristall
    Cristall April 2 2014 18: 28
    -4
    Well, in general, it has long been noticed that the fire of Info War is mutual.
    The fact that we are all fascists is understandable. Under a common comb.
    I’ll say this - after the announcement of the indemnity for the Crimea (discount of 11 billion) pretty seriously hit loyal people. In Odessa, they began to abandon Russian products (Extra company)
    which is quite surprising. But this is a swallow.
    The illogical step is easy to explain.
    The cancellation of the discount and the demand for indemnity for the transfer of Crimea means that every Ukrainian will feel the "absence of Crimea" and will understand that everything went wrong.
    In general, it is easy to consolidate on this basis. This applies to all Ukrainians. Whole business.
    Given the natural stubbornness of Ukrainians, it is easy to imagine what measures we can go to.
    Of course I’m sorry, I would add to the bycot the goods of the Russian Federation, also the goods of China, Poland and Turkey.
    Our company has a difficult situation - we ourselves trade in Russian goods, while we are already looking for gas suppliers from Ukraine (Ukrainian), even agree to bear losses but not to buy the Russian Federation.
    1. desant_doktor
      desant_doktor April 2 2014 19: 40
      +8
      Guys, boycott anything, these are your sexual difficulties from the category - in spite of your mother’s frostbitten ears. This, I repeat, is your business and your headache. If you want to go further to anti-Russian propaganda - your problems are back. We have a more objective picture of the world - our authorities do not suffer from insanity in the form of a ban on broadcasting television channels and other mass media. They show everything, and there is still internet. He is also not prohibited. What kind of contributions are you talking about? There are debts, they must be repaid. I do not like? Well, you are not lucky with the country of residence and its authorities, I sympathize. But no. Remind me how many of you living in Ukraine in 1991 voted for independence? 93 percent. Where have you been before? Excuse me right now. Nothing personal, clean business. Well you are an independent country (type). They wanted it to be like the big ones. There is still a lot of interesting things ahead, the European Union, for example. Independent life goes on. If you didn’t want to live in union, you will live in a colony.
    2. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. April 2 2014 20: 33
      +7
      Quote: Cristall
      Fire Info War is mutual.

      That's right, and the word indemnity is from this particular opera. There is no longer a desire to procrastinate about gas, for these 25 years it has been supplied at a cheap price, but there is no sense in it, Russia is still to blame for everything. The discount was formed when it seemed that Yanukovych took over his mind, and they also began to give a loan for 15 lard. It also seemed to the Americans and here you are on the Maidan, just do not say that they have nothing to do with the right sector brought up by them. And why are we going to pay this government, the real American puppets. We do not trade with your companies, but with government agencies, wholesale buyers. So it's business and nothing personal. And then, according to the latest rumors, the assets of Naftagaz are being transferred to American firms.
      Quote: Cristall
      At the same time, we are already looking for gas suppliers from Ukraine (Ukrainian), even agree to bear losses but not to buy the Russian Federation.

      And this is already the result of the information war, well, the free will, all the same, Ukraine does not seem to pay current payments either. I understand "Russia is to blame for everything," but just in case, remember. You will suffer losses in Ukraine until you understand what is bad for Russia and bad for Ukraine.
    3. Setrac
      Setrac April 2 2014 21: 21
      +3
      Quote: Cristall
      Well, in general, it has long been noticed that the fire of Info War is mutual.
      The fact that we are all fascists is understandable. Under a common comb.
      I’ll say this - after the announcement of the indemnity for the Crimea (discount of 11 billion) pretty seriously hit loyal people. In Odessa, they began to abandon Russian products (Extra company)
      which is quite surprising. But this is a swallow.
      The illogical step is easy to explain.
      The cancellation of the discount and the demand for indemnity for the transfer of Crimea means that every Ukrainian will feel the "absence of Crimea" and will understand that everything went wrong.
      In general, it is easy to consolidate on this basis. This applies to all Ukrainians. Whole business.
      Given the natural stubbornness of Ukrainians, it is easy to imagine what measures we can go to.
      Of course I’m sorry, I would add to the bycot the goods of the Russian Federation, also the goods of China, Poland and Turkey.
      Our company has a difficult situation - we ourselves trade in Russian goods, while we are already looking for gas suppliers from Ukraine (Ukrainian), even agree to bear losses but not to buy the Russian Federation.

      However, you quickly abandoned your pro-Russian position! Propaganda in action? Immediately look for suppliers for nuclear power plants!
      And what does "indemnity" mean? Like you sold the Crimeans to the Russians? Yes, you are crazy, to demand indemnity you must win the war.
      1. Cristall
        Cristall April 3 2014 00: 37
        0
        Quote: Setrac
        However, you quickly abandoned your pro-Russian position! Propaganda in action? Immediately look for suppliers for nuclear power plants!
        And what does "indemnity" mean? Like you sold the Crimeans to the Russians? Yes, you are crazy, to demand indemnity you must win the war.

        Sorry, but apart from VO, I don’t look at Ukrainian sources and media. If he became a victim of propaganda, then how? Incidentally, it was precisely the comments of many Russians that seemed very harmful to the general idea (and this is precisely my position, not pro-Russian or pro-Ukrainian), since they avert the Ukrainians.
        I’ll frostbite my mother’s ears, stupid. In general, I am inclined to think this is all nonsense. You can not supply weapons - its share is insignificant. Well, engines and stuff - it will cost us the whole complex. Although it may be done so that the Russian Federation has lost interest in SE.
        With one shot, -2 hares.
        I call the requirements 11 million USD and a new gas contract (by the way which is legally difficult to sign, it’s also intergovernmental) with an increase in price.
        I was one of those who considered the transition of Crimea to be right and supported it. And now I have to pay for it. I and a bunch of people who were either not against or for. It's funny isn't it.
        Despite the general idea - I'm still Ukrainian. General, it is precisely general. It’s just that right now it’s not right to do such acts that avert people.
        De then heard that the price will not be inflated. It’s quite reasonable to announce this broadly. Let even in the style of blah blah blah for the Ukrainian people. This will be the info war shell for the general idea.
        And a shell of 11 billion and new prices - unfortunately, will be their shot for sponsors.
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev April 3 2014 18: 11
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          Quote: Cristall
          And a shell of 11 billion and new prices - unfortunately, will be their shot for sponsors.

          For the dull at prices.
          The price is for everyone. If you do not believe me, ask Julia T.
          But they (gas prices) can be greatly reduced yes. Which many countries do.
          How? what Very simply, they collaborate with Gazprom (with the Russian Federation) technically, economically and organizationally (and even politically wink ), but do not try to "quietly" write to Russia in order to please some of its enemies, and then also complain about the lack of discounts.
          Turchinov and Yaytsenyukh all know this, but do not want to do anything.
          Why so? And they want to please their friends, enemies of Russia. They personally have enough pennies, and apparently they don’t give a damn about the people. request
          And what do you think?
    4. Penzyac
      Penzyac April 3 2014 01: 15
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      Quote: Cristall
      Well, in general, it has long been noticed that the fire of Info War is mutual.
      The fact that we are all fascists is understandable. Under a common comb.
      ...


      Good advice - do not look, you are Ukrainian TV, at all, otherwise you will not be so "clear". Let the residents of Odessa not be offended by the fact that Russia has already taken Crimea, and Odessa is not yet, not all at once, there will be a holiday on their street. And the Nazis and the fascist European integrators with their oligarchs, I hope, will still have to answer both to the Russians and to the Ukrainians for national treachery.
  29. vezunchik
    vezunchik April 2 2014 18: 30
    +1
    Countrymen, compatriots, fellow citizens!

    We, the workers of the media, education, science and culture, affirm that democratic freedoms are being violated in Ukraine today, universal human values ​​are being destroyed. Millions of people are in mortal danger - the danger of the revival of Nazism and the rise of fascist dictatorship to power. The lack of a competent, credible government in the country led to manifestations of anarchy and outright banditry. We are convinced that silencing such serious problems will lead society to disaster, and the state to disintegration.

    - Nationalists falsify our history: they demolish monuments, heroize traitors, rewrite textbooks on fascist patterns, erase the memory of our victory in World War II, and humiliate veterans. Today they kill people with impunity on the streets.

    - representatives of various faiths do not feel calm in the country where they seize temples, persecute clergy and oppress believers

    - censorship for "insufficient patriotism" appeared in the media, the publication of publications is stopped and the television channels are closed. On one suspicion of “separatism” alone, anyone is being detained today, and media employees are fired and subjected to physical abuse.

    - calls to the deportation and expulsion of entire nations are heard from the Verkhovna Rada hall and from TV screens, statements of a xenophobic and racist nature are heard. This incites hatred between people, creates an atmosphere of tension and fear right on the streets.

    - we want to speak, watch, listen and read in our native language, to receive education without the dictatorship of nationalists. We are against anti-Russian and anti-Russian propaganda, attempts to impose military hysteria and create an “image of the enemy” from the fraternal people.

    A wave of nationalism and anti-Semitism rose. We want historical memory to prevent humanity from forgetting what the Holocaust is, which claimed millions and millions of lives. Fascism in Ukraine will not work!

    To avoid the impending tragedy in one of the largest countries in Europe, we offer the only civilized way out - to immediately organize a referendum in order to reform our state on the basis of Article 5 of the Constitution with the express will of the people.

    Residents of the regions have the right to decide how they live.

    We also appeal to all states that know firsthand what fascism is: Ukraine is in trouble today, and this trouble can become common to all.

    E. Raigorodetskaya
    K. Kevorkyan
    F. Ekozyants
    I. Baisha
    D. Gubin
    A. Alexandrovsky
    I. Perminov
    V. Mislavsky
    S. Minakov
    and others
    1. hommer
      hommer April 2 2014 22: 05
      +3
      Quote: vezunchik
      We, the workers of the media, education, science and culture, affirm that democratic freedoms are being violated in Ukraine today, universal human values ​​are being destroyed.


      I reread Bunin's "Cursed Days". Lord, as everything is familiar, one to one!
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt April 3 2014 05: 56
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      This is someone's thesis or a real appeal. Then to whom and from whom?
  30. Zerstorer
    Zerstorer April 2 2014 18: 37
    +2
    And the fourth Reich breaks off on the third Rome.
    1. TekhnarMAF
      TekhnarMAF April 4 2014 15: 53
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      And the fourth Reich breaks off on the third Rome.
      Sir, did you understand what you said?
  31. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. April 2 2014 20: 26
    +1
    Quote: Cristall

    The fact that we are all fascists is understandable. Under a common comb.
    I’ll say this - after the announcement of the indemnity for the Crimea (discount of 11 billion) pretty seriously hit loyal people. In Odessa, they began to abandon Russian products (Extra company)
    which is quite surprising.

    In Ukraine, not all fascists. This is about in Russia everyone understands. But the perplexity that there are fascists in Ukraine is a stain on all Ukrainians. And even to silent Russians.
    Cancellation of a discount is not a contribution for the Crimea.
    11 billion is an unreachable kooky. For the beauty of the word from Dimona-daredevil. And not sure. that he was not prompted by this idea from the liberal camp.

    If Ukraine sticks into the Customs Union, there will be discounts and loans .... and just help.
    And now Russia is making it clear that the European Union is less beneficial for "friendship" than Russia.
  32. Palych9999
    Palych9999 April 2 2014 22: 30
    +6
    In general, I believe that all these amorphous organizations of Europe are not needed at all, from which we simply have to leave.
    under Stalin, we generally lived without these Europeans and nothing, lived somehow ...
    According to the mind, one does not need to cling to gas to Europe "at any cost", we will sell it to China (even though they migrate at a price ...), and if that, and in general, you can not supply anywhere, the "cooperative lake" will become a little poorer, trouble not big ...
    We are not the DPRK, indeed we ourselves can live trading with the 3rd world.
    Europe completely brandied with its deminstitutes, migrants, same-sex quacks.
    God be with her. We will live on our goods, because we lived 60 years and did not die out.
    Well, we will have 3-4 types of cars, 3-4 varieties of sausages, without lobsters and mussels, we drank Crimean and Kuban wine, drove "Zhiguli" (they are much better now)
    Gas for our people and gasoline will be 3 times cheaper, we will make tractors, we plan the aircraft at the very least, wagons and locomotives are not bad.
    Well, there will be bureaucratic brothers to receive 30-50 thousand a month, they will be killed, they will limit pensions of 7-8 thousand - enough, if not enough, we will sweep yards instead of Tajiks, not a bar ...
    And from the funds of the "money box" instead of high-speed railways (why in St. Petersburg in 4 hours - leave at night and arrive at night: nonsense, 8-10 hours is just right!), Why in Kazan for 6-8 hours - 18 is even nothing where to hurry? Who? Why?) To start simply building normal houses, 8-12 storey, or even 5, with a price of 1.000.000 rubles and installments (not a loan) for 5-10 years, for public funds, only joy to everyone!
    Near the cities to build sites for private housing with prepared by the state account access roads, gas, electricity and water, with a breakdown of sections of 15-20 acres with the cost of such a plot (by installments) up to 25 thousand rubles - let people build, and the state should create industry (in 30-50 regions) of production of sets of prefabricated houses, with, costing up to 500.000 rubles per 100 sq.m. and with installments for 5-10 years.
    Vlt it will be a national idea ...
    To abolish paid universities by reducing them (the resource of working hands) and sharply increasing the number of colleges that train highly skilled workers and specialists.
    Business must be dealt with, business: to build roads, houses, ...
    To fill up the whole world with processed timber (lumber) even at dumping prices, fertilizers ...
    To build 8-10 large oil refineries for the production of polymers, fill them up with the whole world.
    Increase grain production and knock out all competitors from the markets
    Only consume pork and chicken meat if it is necessary to increase their production by 3-5 times at the state expense, taking on this the population of their villages and small towns ...
    Engage in real fishing (we remove the third minister in 3 years), the Okeanov network - to revive all over the country ...
    Yes, a lot of things can and should be done ...
    And 3-4 new complexes of the Almaz-Antey type are not difficult to build, the unfortunate MS-21 is finally launched, with the release of up to 100 units per year ...
    Wagons learned to do, tractors - too, combines - normal (if you do not buy strangers). TVs. refrigerators are also normal, only increase production and refuse to import.
    But I imported only what we can’t do (for now), and not for the notorious variety of choices, we will manage with 5-10 names: we lived with 2 types of transistor receivers, 3 brands of cars, 3 brands of refrigerators, etc. and nothing lived. And we will live !!!
    1. thrower
      thrower April 2 2014 23: 04
      +1
      The most sensible reason. Entirely for!
      We can add that space is only ours now (only our rockets fly to the ISS)
  33. vezunchik
    vezunchik April 3 2014 00: 46
    +1
    On March 29, a rally was held in Donetsk against the Kiev junta. Benes Ayo, an activist of the Other Russia party, spoke at it. The speech, as usual, was emotional.
    The appointee of the Kiev junta, looking after Donetsk, Taruta looked into the water, claiming after the rally that the native of Riga Benes Ayo "will be detained and expelled from the country." Indeed, the day after the arrest of Oleg Bakhtiyarov, a dark-skinned anti-fascist was arrested along with his comrades and taken to Kiev by the SBU at night. Benes Ayo said: "I was taken by the SBU. I am accused of preparing an armed coup, that I am in Ukraine with the aim of overthrowing the government and undermining the territorial integrity of Ukraine. I am being taken to Kiev. Cars with flashing lights are in front and behind. As a particularly dangerous criminal ... Just now with me. my mother from Latvia contacted me. An official letter from the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Latvia has come to my name in Rezekne, which says that I am being deprived of my citizenship for participating in armed formations of other states. The ethnocratic authorities of Latvia are taking revenge on me for my activities in the Latvian branch of Other Russia "and" Headquarters for the Defense of Russian Schools ".
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt April 3 2014 05: 59
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      Still, a couple of blacks to Donetsk - you look and they themselves would stir.