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Will it get to Kiev?

The General Staff is developing a plan for the formation of the defense and security system of the Crimea. He will become a guide for the army leadership for the next seven years.

A list of what the military has to do on the peninsula until 2020 and proposals on a new structure for the deployment of troops and forces in Crimea fleet, the board of the Ministry of Defense will consider on Friday, April 4. This was announced yesterday by the head of the department Sergey Shoigu.

In the meantime, the remaining Ukrainian military equipment on the peninsula is about to begin to be sent to the "independent" one. The generals and admirals are not going to spend money on its disposal and, especially, to include the long-obsolete arsenal in the combat structure of the Russian Armed Forces. At the request of Shoigu, the President of the Russian Federation has already authorized the withdrawal of land, sea and aviation technology. Now our military is preparing three and a half hundred units of armored vehicles and military vehicles for the transfer to Ukraine. These are mainly cars made in Soviet times. We are talking, in particular, about armored personnel carriers BTR-70 and infantry fighting vehicles BMP-1, as well as tanks T-64B, T64B1 - in our army they have long been removed from service.

More than seventy Ural trucks and trailers for them from the former autobat of the Ukrainian Navy in Bakhchisarai will have to be driven to Ukraine by rail. Under their transportation allocated 40 platforms. Urals cannot reach the border on their own - they are disassembled and rusted through.

A similar situation with another land arsenal. Experts who conducted his inspection, came to the conclusion that the technical condition of the Ukrainian car and armored park leaves much to be desired. Routine work on this technique is clearly carried out with violations. It was not properly repaired, apparently due to lack of funds and spare parts.

More problems with military aircraft. Fifty fifty MiG-29 and Su-27 fighters based on the Crimean airfields, several L-39 fighters are old modifications of the aircraft of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact. In particular, light jet "elki" from the airfield Belbek produced in Czechoslovakia. Ukrainian aircraft have not risen to the sky for a long time. Not only were they kept in open areas instead of hangars, engines were also removed from many vehicles. It seems that due to the details of some aircraft, Ukrainian military engineers and aircraft technicians tried to extend the operational life of other machines. Any expert will tell you that flying on such a “designer” is extremely dangerous.

It is difficult to say how a decrepit fleet will be shipped to a neighboring state. It is even more difficult to assume that with all this economy will be done in Ukraine. According to Russian experts, restoring auto and armored vehicles, airplanes and ships (they will also be returned to their previous owners) simply makes no sense - the work will be too expensive. However, the utilization of military junkies will also cost a pretty penny to the neighbors.
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  1. +9
    April 1 2014 12: 00
    Good luck with Sun Reform
    1. +5
      April 1 2014 12: 04
      It is even more difficult to assume that with all this economy they will do in Ukraine.

      Upgrade by collecting excellent catapults for new aircraft nEzalEzhnoy!
      1. +9
        April 1 2014 12: 14
        A miracle weapon has already been invented ...
      2. +3
        April 1 2014 12: 44
        The Ukrainian looked at it. TV was immediately proud of the power of Russian science. In just a month, it’s an excellent technique, ready to turn into XRUMX% in combat, into rusty trash, and even released in Soviet times ...
        Interestingly, the staff of which research institute created such miraculous weapons? Congratulations to scientists !!!! lol
    2. +2
      April 1 2014 12: 14
      Grease, so as not to creak.
      1. +6
        April 1 2014 12: 24
        No, it’s not this miracle weapon that is a true Ukrinsky wunderwaffe, capable of defeating the "damned m.s.k.a.l.e.", or at least making them die of laughter ...
    3. avg
      +1
      April 1 2014 12: 32
      Quote: smel
      Good luck with Sun Reform

      In further reform in the same geyropeyskom direction. Sample - Luxembourg Armed Forces.
  2. WKS
    +6
    April 1 2014 12: 02
    Send - send. But will Ukraine agree to accept and unload these trains?
    1. +1
      April 1 2014 13: 09
      At the moment, Ukraine has not allocated a single platform for the export of equipment ... So the tanks will be unloaded and become a scrap metal in the border zone ...
    2. tanker75
      +1
      April 1 2014 13: 16
      Then dump right there on the border
  3. +17
    April 1 2014 12: 06
    In the meantime, we are building up weapons in Crimea, in addition to the redeployed SCRC "Bastion" and "Bal", BM-27 "Uragan", ZPRK "Pantsir C1", 152-mm BG 2A65 "Msta-B", in Crimea finally then TANKS are spotted ...



    A Russian serviceman directs Russian tanks after their arrival in Crimea in the settlement of Gvardeiskoye near the Crimean city of Simferopol March 31, 2014. (REUTERS / Stringer)


    However, they do not forget about air defense: two divisions of something similar to C-300 xs of which modification (for me there are too many of them to distinguish by eye).
    Well, for a snack, a couple more photos of "Shell" in the Crimea:

    1. Old Cynic
      +9
      April 1 2014 12: 11
      And praise be to the Almighty !!!
      "Good must be with fists"!!! (from)
    2. +9
      April 1 2014 12: 19
      Class, I understand that, a breakthrough
    3. dmitrij.blyuz
      +4
      April 1 2014 12: 30
      Not a frail arsenal. Instantly built, already surprised at such a speed! good
      1. +6
        April 1 2014 12: 44
        Exactly. The speed of delivery of equipment and machinery is simply amazing. Well, there helicopter planes flew in ... and the S-300? Armor? They brought BAL ... So they also managed to supply food and supplies to the unit over the course of a week. New equipment. Where the hell ????
        1. +4
          April 1 2014 12: 50
          And the air defense relocated from the Sochi region after the end of the Olympics, they lifted readiness mode No. 1. Accordingly, the complexes that provided air cover could even be thrown to the Crimea. The benefit is near.
        2. dmitrij.blyuz
          +1
          April 1 2014 12: 54
          Yes, the General Staff is working! There are times left in the past, when a pair of piece of iron took a day to relocate! Anyway, it's amazing!
        3. +3
          April 1 2014 12: 59
          Quote: Wedmak
          New equipment. Where the hell ????

          So Shoigu told everything ... Yes There is a certain benefit in some of the "prospolipolymers", the louder they shout, the more you can hide laughing
          1. 0
            April 2 2014 00: 54
            Well, Shoigu is not Serdyuchka. winked
        4. +1
          April 1 2014 13: 12
          Quote: Wedmak
          .. and C-300? Armor? BAL brought.

          They stood already three days after the signing of the agreement ... Balls almost blocked access to the World Cup, and the rest of the shells cooled the flyers from NATO and the USA ... laughing fellow
        5. +1
          April 1 2014 13: 23
          The enemy does not doze off all the way along SUVOROVSKY!
    4. +1
      April 1 2014 14: 24
      Quote: Novel 1977
      However, they do not forget about air defense: two divisions of something similar to S-300 xs what modification (for me there are too many of them to distinguish by eye).

      Most likely from the S-300PM (PMU2) series ...
  4. xsapranx
    -3
    April 1 2014 12: 07
    Agree do not hesitate. Of course, it’s unpleasant to watch how the autobaht is being raided, but it’s the costs of the winners, they don’t judge the grief of the vanquished
    1. +9
      April 1 2014 12: 13
      It’s at least incorrect to say that the Russian military is tearing old spare parts out of the Ukrainian Armed Forces battalion. Where is the evidence that they were partially gutted?
      And in general, whatever we say to our Ukrainian "friends", they will still have a complex of "occupied" ones - just like Latvians and Lithuanians and Poles.
      Putin and the Russians will be everywhere and in a crumbling, long unrepaired housing and communal services, in falling military aircraft and burning old tanks.
      1. xsapranx
        -23
        April 1 2014 12: 29
        The Russian military does not need that mottle, but trading in the "national economy of the Crimea" is always a pleasure. there will be a desire in the internet for links as they load spare parts in Gazelki mass ...
        1. avg
          +1
          April 1 2014 12: 37
          Quote: xsapranx
          but to trade in the "national economy of the Crimea" - it's always please.

          These former soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have not yet had time to rebuild. wink
          1. xsapranx
            0
            April 1 2014 12: 41
            it is quite possible that the basis of men is from the Crimea here on the continent Eye and eye are needed and there is almost Freebie.
        2. 0
          April 1 2014 12: 52
          And where in the national economy spare parts from tanks and 131 ZILs are used?
          1. xsapranx
            0
            April 1 2014 13: 19
            and there is the price of the Urals (I’m just talking about the autobat, compressors, nassos small things but fine) http://www.theinsider.ua/rus/politics/533822b9ec555/
        3. +1
          April 1 2014 13: 01
          Quote: xsapranx
          The Russian military does not need that mottle, but trading in the "national economy of the Crimea" is always a pleasure. there will be a desire in the internet for links as they load spare parts in Gazelki mass ...

          Link, pliz ... preferably with scanned copies of the RF Armed Forces "loaders"
        4. +1
          April 1 2014 13: 31
          There in Kiev your homeland is sold by a gorpatriot.
        5. +1
          April 1 2014 14: 26
          Quote: xsapranx
          The Russian military does not need that mottle, but trading in the "national economy of the Crimea" is always a pleasure. there will be a desire in the internet for links as they load spare parts in Gazelki mass ...

          That why the heck our general started this return? Better melted all this rusty guano into the viburnum frets, with a black sheep even a tuft of wool, and the fact that it’s so from greedy uh ... Ukrainians are reproached to hear reproaches.
    2. 0
      April 1 2014 13: 28
      Always to blame for everything and everywhere)) It's time to grow up already.
    3. 0
      April 2 2014 01: 00
      For 23 years, not a fig was built, they lived on a "dowry", which was "ragged".
      Who is to blame? Mosca.li. Eurorology.
      Eat "Roche" sweets and slap Tymoshenko with her Right Sector.
  5. +8
    April 1 2014 12: 07
    They’ll start yelling now that we’ve dismantled the equipment for them!
  6. +7
    April 1 2014 12: 10
    It will be from what the barricades to build on the next Maidan. smile
  7. Smiles to you
    +2
    April 1 2014 12: 11
    Our business is to return the "ferrous metal" to them, and then let them decide what to do with it ...
  8. +11
    April 1 2014 12: 12
    12 December 2013 year.
    Russian President Vladimir Putin, announcing the Address to the Federal Assembly, said that
    Russia will not allow military superiority over itself.
    “Russia will answer all these challenges: political,
    and technological, ”the president said.
    Viva RUSSIA !!!
  9. +6
    April 1 2014 12: 12
    themselves from this scrap metal are beaten off with hands and feet. To drag all this iron to the territory of Ukraine, you will first have to send troops, cordon off the territory, equip scrap metal collection points, drag trash into Ukraine and quickly run away until you give it back. Also at the UN, they are complaining to us that we are violating their ecology.
    1. 0
      April 1 2014 12: 46
      They smiled. This will be some sort of diversion.
  10. +8
    April 1 2014 12: 13
    mobilization in Ukrainian
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      +2
      April 1 2014 12: 36
      I sit and think: either laugh, or cry with laughter. And where is the ban on Russian?
      1. +3
        April 1 2014 12: 48
        It is not at all ridiculous that 640 Russian speakers as one (with the blessing of their mothers) went to defend their homeland from RUSSIAN !!!
    2. +1
      April 1 2014 12: 39
      Well, mobilized - okay, they threw people there, and the presenter somehow did push-ups without straightening his arms! I see for the first time laughing somehow unconventional! Yo
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    4. xsapranx
      +2
      April 1 2014 12: 39
      Good material on BB, a similar problem in Belaya Tserkov, only with the army men there really are fed and dressed, but the people are "fooled" since all normal officers have left the site, and "mobilization officers are either far from the basics of combat training or sabotage it", but in Another part is a bit different situation there, under the paratroopers, the reserve has already received the first money, and it will be more interesting with combat training ... the country is not dwarf, so the places are different and the attitude is a lot of conflicting examples.
      1. dmitrij.blyuz
        +2
        April 1 2014 14: 39
        Bila Tserkva. At the service there were in '89. Do not tell me what is there with the airfield YES, well, with the Tu-22M3?
    5. 0
      April 1 2014 13: 07
      And what about feeding? Somehow I didn’t catch it.

      Eh. In vain the people did not go to mobilize, as they wanted in Kiev. In vain. Now all the mobilized army would quickly be able to stand on the right side. And no doubt in choosing the right side. They already drove them all out of work, entrepreneurs also lost their affairs, and as soon as they returned from the unit, they would immediately trample on meetings or even in self-defense.

      What is the conclusion from here? If they themselves do not run away, none of them will let go of such concentration camps.

      ABOUT ! ! ! I understood what was the point - they were practically all driven into concentration camps, i.e. the most active, so that all these men would not have the opportunity to take part in the uprisings against Kiev. Why is that? Yes, because for the police-punitive functions such units of "mobilized" (rather, arrested) are not suitable for any parameters. Fight an external threat too. The police and punitive functions were to be carried out either by the Cheka or by already existing forces. And the fact that, in fact, the punitive forces are still not enough is not a quick matter - after the "legitimate" presidential elections, everything will be.
  11. +1
    April 1 2014 12: 15
    A chic gift for an independent. It seems that there is a technique, but what to do with it is not clear.
    1. +2
      April 1 2014 13: 07
      Quote: Wedmak
      It seems that there is a technique, but what to do with it is not clear.

      The Chinese will figure it out ... they are in this "technique" docks wink
    2. +1
      April 1 2014 14: 11
      Quote: Wedmak
      A chic gift for an independent. It seems that there is a technique, but what to do with it is not clear.


      To send to the National Guard, as well as leaky armored personnel carriers that were not steamed into Iraq already sent there smile
      According to Russian media, not only Iraq, but also Azerbaijan, refused BTR-4. The reason is the same - the marriage allegedly committed by the Malyshev Kharkov Transport Engineering Plant.
      So, what is worthless even to Iraq, the National Guard, headed by Avakov for happiness.
      Avakov showed new armored personnel carriers for the National Guard of Ukraine
  12. +1
    April 1 2014 12: 17
    But you can’t let in scrap metal? Or will work become expensive? Then return to Bandera, nyahay fuck.
  13. sanek0207
    +1
    April 1 2014 12: 18
    Now let them do this junk! Because RUSSIA does not need such rubbish.
  14. +2
    April 1 2014 12: 20
    "However, the disposal of military junk will also cost a pretty penny to neighbors."
    Actually, I don’t really understand why scrap metal may not be profitable?
    And in some places "self-propelled scrap metal"?
    Not so, of course, as he tagged Mechnik to corners. You can make tanks from tanks.
    1. +3
      April 1 2014 12: 50
      Actually, I don’t really understand why scrap metal may not be profitable?

      Butchering combat vehicles takes time and money. This is not an old zhignul under the press to let go. Even to cut an infantry fighting vehicle, it requires gas cutters, plus take out equipment, weapons (also need to be cut), and so on.
    2. +2
      April 1 2014 12: 56
      Quote: dmitriygorshkov
      Actually, I don’t really understand why scrap metal may not be profitable?

      I don’t really understand this either. Metal, it is metal. Well, even if it’s not good after remelting it, it’s for something else. Previously (at school) I remember twice a year all scrap metal together found. For some reason he was needed. So to give Ukraine ground equipment, aviation, ships, the gesture is probably not an economic one (like disposing of it more expensive) but a political one (we don’t need someone else’s, and this is not trophies but Ukrainian property).
  15. Vladiks
    +5
    April 1 2014 12: 20
    And as a bonus, give them Serdyukov to the post of Minister of Defense.
    1. +4
      April 1 2014 12: 58
      They have their own no worse. One Tenyuh what was worth.
      In topic:
      He was the Minister of Defense Admiral - Ukraine lost its fleet.
      They appointed the border guard as Minister of Defense - it’s even scary to think about what they’ll lose.
      1. +2
        April 1 2014 14: 18
        Quote: Viking
        They appointed the border guard as Minister of Defense - it’s even scary to think about what they’ll lose.

        Taruta Line there is a border that costs more than 50 aircraft (F-35 is not otherwise crying ) Mannerheim and Maginot nervously smoking on the sidelines smile

        Although the gesheft is good to fuck on the difference between the moat and 50 airplanes ... Ukrokhazaria in reality ...
        1. +4
          April 1 2014 14: 24
          Quote: Ascetic
          The Taruta line is on the border, which costs more than 50 aircraft (F-35 is not otherwise). Mannerheim and Maginot nervously smoking on the sidelines


          But seriously, just watch the video as an educational program ...

  16. nemez
    +2
    April 1 2014 12: 32
    Quote: Vladiks
    And as a bonus, give them Serdyukov to the post of Minister of Defense.

    Totally agree
  17. LIS 25
    0
    April 1 2014 12: 40
    return old equipment to the Square and let them create a museum: "how we were independent from Russia and its consequences" winked
  18. +5
    April 1 2014 12: 46
    It will be necessary to swing and away from Kiev.
    1. +3
      April 1 2014 14: 14
      Quote: mabuta
      It will be necessary to swing and away from Kiev.


      Yes sir!
      1. +1
        April 1 2014 15: 14
        Quote: podpolkovnik
        Quote: mabuta
        It will be necessary to swing and away from Kiev.


        Yes sir!
  19. +3
    April 1 2014 12: 53
    The list of ships that are supposedly returned to Ukraine is called:
    Diesel-electric submarine "Zaporozhye", the decision on it has already been made. The boat has obviously not been able to solve any real combat missions for a long time and its long-term repairs, which cost millions of hryvnias, was done more "to spite all enemies" than out of the hope that the boat would be of real use.
    As it turned out from the motivation for returning, she practically cannot walk and dive on her own, so the only reason for her preservation was to build a museum ship from it welded to the pier in one of the Sevastopol bays or in the Balaclava adit.
    http://asaratov.livejournal.com/4470554.html

    missile boat in Ukrainian terminology "missile corvette" project 12411T ("Molniya") "Dnieper" former U155, former RCA R-54, handed over to the fleet in 1982, the main drawback of which is its outdated armament 4 anti-ship missiles P-15M. A similar RCA Black Sea Fleet of project 12417 R-71, is currently in a layup in Karantinnaya Bay, it is planned to place the missile boat at the shipyard at the end of 2013 for refurbishment and modernization.

    RCA project 206 MR "Priluki" U153 "Priluki", the former R-262, yesterday raised the Anderevsky flag, handed over to the fleet in 1979, and is armed with two of the same obsolete anti-ship missiles P-15M, all ships of this project have long been put on pins and needles , with the exception of 3 at CFL.

    Sea minesweepers "Cherkasy" and "Chernigov", project 266M "Aquamarine": former U310 "Chernigiv", delivered to the fleet in 1974, former U311 "Cherkasy", delivered to the fleet in 1976
    Control ship "Donbass" The floating workshop "PM-9" of project 304 was laid down on 17.07.1969/29.11.1969/30.09.1970 in Poland, in build 2001. In XNUMX, the floating workshop was reclassified as a command ship and renamed Donbass.
    Tankers "Fastov" ex-U760 - delivered to the fleet in 1981 (in vain!), "Bakhmach" ex-U759 - delivered to the fleet in 1972 and "Sudak" ex-U756, delivered to the fleet in 1957. The ship was badly damaged during the storm on 11.11.2007.
    VTR-torpedo carrier "Dzhankoy" ex-U754, delivered to the Navy in 1968
    SFP "Severodonetsk" ex-U812, handed over to the fleet in 1987 (the hull is too rotten)
    Garbage collector ex-U954 ex-U812, delivered to the fleet in 1987 year (also in vain!)
    BGK "Skvira" ex-U635, delivered to the fleet in 1976;
    Floating warehouse "Zolotonosha" ex-U855, commissioned to the Navy in 1986.
    Passenger boat "Illichivsk"
    http://forums.airbase.ru/2014/04/t82540,154--vms-ukrainy-6.917.html

    Probably, the IPC of project 1124P "Vinnitsa", the former U206, put into operation in 1976, was added to this list, on November 11, 2007 the ship got into a storm and received serious damage to the stem, from that moment it was awaiting repair and was in reserve at the base in Donuzlav.
  20. +1
    April 1 2014 13: 28
    The question is, do we really need this? Ukraine needs, if necessary, even to export.
  21. +1
    April 1 2014 13: 34
    They are doing the right thing, that the equipment will be returned to Ukraine, we have, that there’s no more business but to tinker with scrap metal? Let the Ukrainians have a headache about this, Russia can’t do its work, and then they won’t say that we took the equipment from them,
  22. +1
    April 1 2014 13: 39
    And how much hysteria was on the part of Kiev, that they lost a lot of awesome military equipment in the Crimea ... And the lads were lucky with the mobilization lol Let them think about who needs to be protected ...
    1. +1
      April 1 2014 14: 29
      With mobilization in general nishtyak Ukrainians ..
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  23. +1
    April 1 2014 14: 26
    most likely they will not dispose of this stuff. They will dump it somewhere near Kherson, and there the locals will "utilize" it. laughing
  24. Leshka
    +1
    April 1 2014 15: 07
    scrap metal army laughing
  25. +1
    April 1 2014 15: 21
    Oh, it’s good that our army has become mobile. One-two, and ready to defend against attacks from the sea and from the air. And then tanks and other delights ... But Ukraine needs to return everything. Equipment, scrap metal, old furniture from the barracks.))) In short, we will replace it, export everything to the border with Ukraine. It’s significant that we don’t need such a stranger.
  26. +1
    April 1 2014 15: 29
    I never saw the links where they sell spare parts ... To say that the national economy needs "Urals" can only be those who have nothing to do with this national economy .... Look at their fuel consumption and efficiency .. .. This is purely at the moment an army car, in the USSR gasoline cost 20 kopecks, then it was purple for everyone how much to fill and what consumption .... But now, no ... It is better to buy an expensive car and then cover the difference in the amount of costs and maintenance. .. Whoever wrote tried at least once a wheel to rebuild in the Urals, or at least remove it?
  27. Sevastopol
    +1
    April 1 2014 16: 25
    Russia used to offer Ukraine oil, they wanted guns instead of oil - get it!
  28. +1
    April 1 2014 16: 47
    it’s necessary to put old ammunition there in free flight
  29. 0
    April 1 2014 17: 03
    I believe that it was necessary to do otherwise with the military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Leave the Armed Forces personnel for response-storage of equipment and preparation for transportation. Set a schedule and sign it. Not fulfilled, everything is either money for storage, or it will remain here. Remove weapons and sell for disposal.

    Their air defense system last time "successfully fired", knocking down Carcass 154. After that, they probably didn't touch it out of harm's way.

    And about their army, "What is the priest, so is the parish."
  30. +2
    April 1 2014 18: 57
    It is even more difficult to assume that with all this economy they will do in Ukraine.


    They have experience.
  31. 0
    April 1 2014 21: 30
    but on the one hand it’s regrettable ... so much good ...
  32. DimDimych
    +1
    April 2 2014 00: 49
    Quote: jarome
    I understand that urapotreatizm rolls over, but you have to be realistic.
    Someone has information on how to protect the Black Sea

    this alone is enough, but in Crimea there are already many more "surprises" for uninvited guests ... laughing