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The myth of the barrage during the Great Patriotic War

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From the time of the Khrushchev's “thaw”, the myth of the barrage detachments of the NKVD was born, who used machine guns to shoot the retreating units of the Red Army. After the collapse of the USSR, these nonsense blossomed.


In addition, supporters of this lie also argue that most of the population of the USSR did not want to fight; they were forced to defend the Stalinist regime "under the fear of death." By this they insult the memory of our valiant ancestors.

The myth of the barrage during the Great Patriotic War


History create protective units

The concept of a detachment is quite vague - “a permanent or temporary military unit created to perform a combat or special mission.” It is also suitable for the definition of "special forces".

During the Great Patriotic War, the composition, functions, departmental identity of the barrage detachments was constantly changing. In early February, the NKVD divided 1941 itself into the people's commissariat of internal affairs and the people's commissariat of state security (NKGB). Military counterintelligence was separated from the people's commissariat of internal affairs and the defense of the USSR Navy was transferred to the people's commissariat, where the Third departments of the non-profit organizations and the USSR NKVMF were created. 27 July 1941, the Third NGO Directorate issued a directive on its work in wartime.

According to the directive, mobile control and barrier detachments were organized; they were to detain deserters, suspicious elements at the front line. They received the right of preliminary investigation, after which the detainees were transferred to judicial authorities.

In July, the NKVD and the NKGB were again united in 1941, the bodies of the Third Directorate of NGOs were transformed into special departments and transferred to the NKVD subordination. Special departments received the right to arrest deserters and, if necessary, to shoot them. Special departments had to fight spies, traitors, deserters, saboteurs, alarmists, and cowards. By order of the NKVD No. 00941 of 19 in July 1941, separate infantry platoons were created for special divisions and corps, and for special divisions of armies - companies, for fronts - battalions, they were staffed by NKVD troops.

These units and became the so-called "protective units." They had the right to organize a barrage service in order to exclude the flight of deserters, to carefully check the documents of all military personnel, to detain and detain investigators (during 12 hours) and to transfer the case to the military tribunal. To send laggards in their units, in exceptional cases, for immediate restoration of order at the front, the head of the special department received the right to shoot deserters.

In addition, the barrage detachments were to identify and destroy the enemy's agents, to check those who had escaped from German captivity.

Fighting gangsters

Among the everyday tasks of the barrage was the fight against bandits. Thus, in June 1941, a detachment of troops was formed during the third division of the Baltic Fleet - it was a maneuverable company on vehicles, reinforced by two armored vehicles. He acted on the territory of Estonia. Since there were almost no cases of desertion in the area of ​​responsibility, the detachment with a group of operatives was thrown into the fight against the Estonian Nazis. Their small gangs attacked individual servicemen on the roads, small units.

The actions of the detachment noticeably reduced the activity of Estonian bandits. The detachment also participated in the “sweeping” of the Virtsu Peninsula, which was liberated in mid-July 1941 by the counterattack of the 8th Army. On the way, the detachment met a German outpost, defeated it in battle. He carried out an operation to destroy the bandits in metro Varla and the village. Tystamaa in the Pärnovsk district, destroyed the counter-revolutionary organization in Tallinn. In addition, the detachment participated in intelligence activities, having thrown three agents behind the enemy lines. Two returned, they figured out the location of German military facilities, dealt a blow to them aviation Of the Baltic fleet.

During the battle for Tallinn, the squad not only stopped and returned the fleeing, but he himself held the defenses. 27 was especially difficult in August, some units of the 8 Army fled, the detachment stopped them, a counterstrike was organized, the enemy was rejected - this played a decisive role in the successful evacuation of Tallinn. During the battles for Tallinn, more than 60% of the squad personnel and almost all the commanders died! And these are cowardly scum, shooting their own?

In Kronstadt, the detachment was restored, and from September 7 he continued to serve. Special departments of the Northern Front also fought with the bandits.

Directive of the Supreme Headquarters of 5 September 1941 of the year

By the beginning of September 1941, the military situation was again sharply complicated, so the Headquarters, at the request of General A.I. Eremenko, commander of the Bryansk Front, allowed the creation of detachments in those divisions that proved to be unstable. A week later, this practice spread to all fronts. The number of units was one battalion per division, company per regiment. They obeyed the division commander and had vehicles for movement, several armored cars and tanks. Their task was to assist commanders, maintaining discipline and order in units. They had the right to apply weaponto stop the flight and eliminate the initiators of panic.
That is, their difference from the detachments at the special departments of the NKVD, which were created to combat deserters and suspicious elements in the fact that army units were created in order to prevent the unauthorized flight of units. They were larger (a battalion for a division, not a platoon), they were completed not from the NKVD fighters, but from the Red Army men. They had the right to shoot the initiators of panic and flight, and not to shoot the runners.

According to 10 on October 1941, special departments and detachments detained 657364 people, of whom 25878 people were arrested, of which 10201 people were shot. The rest are again sent to the front.

Defensive squads also played a role in the defense of Moscow. In parallel with the protective divisional battalions, there were detachments of special divisions. Similar units were also created by the territorial NKVD bodies, for example, in the Kalinin Oblast.

The Battle of Stalingrad

In connection with the breakthrough of the front and the output of the Wehrmacht to the Volga and the Caucasus, 28 July 1942 of the year came the famous order number XXUMX NGOs. It was prescribed to create in the armies of 227-3 detachments (5 fighters in each), to put them in the immediate rear of unstable parts. They also received the right to shoot alarmists and cowards to restore order and discipline. They submitted to the Military Councils of the armies, through their special departments. The units were headed by the most experienced commanders of special departments, detachments were provided with transport. In addition, defensive battalions were restored in each division.

By order of the People's Commissariat of Defense No. 227 on October 15, 1942 was created by the 193 army detachment. From 1 August to 15 in October 1942, these detachments detained 140755 from the Red Army. 3980 people were arrested, of whom 1189 people were shot, the rest were sent to the punishment unit. Most of all arrests and detentions were on the Don and Stalingrad fronts.

Barrier squads played an important role in restoring order, they returned to the front a significant number of troops. For example: 29 August 1942, the headquarters of the 29 th rifle division was surrounded (due to the breakthrough of German tanks), the units, losing control, retreated in panic. The barrage detachment of Lieutenant GB Filatov stopped running, returned to defensive positions. In another part of the front of the division, the detachment of Filatov was stopped by an enemy breakthrough.

September 20 Wehrmacht took part of Melikhovskaya, the consolidated brigade began an unauthorized retreat. The defensive squad of the 47 Army of the Black Sea Group of Forces brought order to the brigade. The brigade returned to the position and, together with the detachment, rejected the enemy.

That is, the detachments in critical situations did not panic, but put things in order and themselves fought the enemy. 13 September The 112-Infantry Division, under the blow of the enemy, lost its position. The detachment of the 62 Army, commanded by State Security Lieutenant Khlystov, fought off enemy attacks for four days and retained the line before reinforcements arrived. 15-16 September, the detachment of the 62 Army was fighting for two days in the area of ​​Stalingrad railway station. The squad, despite its small size, repulsed the attacks of the enemy and he himself counterattacked and passed the frontier in the integrity of parts of the approaching 10 th infantry division.

But there was also the use of detachments not intended, there were commanders who used them as line units, because of this, some units lost most of their squads and had to be re-formed.

In the course of the Battle of Stalingrad there were three types of detachments: the army, created by order No. XXUMX, the rebuilt divisional battalions, and small detachments of special divisions. As before, the overwhelming majority of the detained fighters returned to their units.



Kursk Bulge

By order of SNK from 19 on April 1943, the Special Department of the NKVD Office again handed over NGOs and NKVMF and reorganized the Smersh Counterintelligence Directorate (Death to Spies) of the USSR People's Commissariat of Defense and the Smersh Counterintelligence Directorate of the Navy People's Commissariat.

5 July 1943, the Wehrmacht launched its offensive, some of our units faltered. Detachments and here fulfilled their mission. From 5 to 10 in July, detachments of the Voronezh Front detained an 1870 man, arrested an 74 man, and the rest were returned to their units.

In total, the report of Major General A. Vadis, Chief of the Counterintelligence Directorate of the Central Front, from 13 in August 1943, indicated that an 4501 man was detained, of which he was sent back to the 3303 unit.

October 29 1944, by order of Commissar of Defense Joseph Stalin, the detachments were disbanded due to a change in the situation at the front. Personnel joined the rifle units. In the last period of their existence, they no longer acted in their profile - there was no need. They were used in the protection of staffs, communication lines, roads, for combing forests, personnel were often used for logistical needs — by cooks, storekeepers, clerks, and so on, although the personnel of these detachments were selected from the best fighters and sergeants awarded with medals and orders, who had a great combat experience.

Summarize: detachments performed the most important function; they detained deserters and suspicious persons (among whom were spies, saboteurs, agents of the nazis). In critical situations, they themselves engaged in battle with the enemy. After changing the situation on the front (after the Battle of Kursk), the barrage detachments actually began to serve as commandant companies. To stop the runners, they had the right to shoot over the heads of the retreating, to shoot the initiators and wind up before the line. But these cases were not massive, only individual. There is not a single fact that the fighters of the barrage detachments shot to kill on their own. There are no such examples in the memoirs of front-line soldiers. In addition, they could prepare an additional defensive line in the rear to stop the retreating and so that they could gain a foothold on it.

Protective detachments contributed to the overall victory, honestly doing their duty.

Sources:
Lubyanka on the days of the battle for Moscow: materials of the state security organs of the USSR from the Central Archive of the FSB of Russia. Comp. A. T. Zhadobin. M., 2002.
“Fiery Arc”: the Battle of Kursk through the eyes of Lubyanka. Comp. A. T. Zhadobin et al. M., 2003.
Bodies of state security of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War. M., 2000.
Toptygin A.V. Unknown Beria. M., SPb., 2002.
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  1. cobalt
    cobalt 18 July 2013 07: 28 New
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    ORDER 227 "Not a Step Back"
    The content speaks for itself

    THE HIGH COMMAND OF THE RED ARMY ORDERS:

    1. The military councils of the fronts and, above all, the commander of the fronts:

    a) to unconditionally eliminate the retreat in the army and with an iron hand to stop the propaganda that we can and must supposedly retreat further east, that there will be no harm from such a retreat;
    b) unconditionally remove from the post and send to Headquarters to attract army commanders to the military court who allowed the unauthorized withdrawal of troops from their positions, without an order from the front command;
    c) to form, within the front, from 1 to 3 (depending on the situation) penal battalions (800 people each), where to send middle and senior commanders and relevant political workers of all military branches who are guilty of violating discipline by cowardice or instability, and put them on more difficult sections of the front to enable them to atone for their crimes against the homeland with blood.

    2. Military councils of armies and above all commanders of armies:

    a) unconditionally remove corps and division commanders and commissioners who allowed unauthorized withdrawal of troops from their positions without orders from the army command, and send them to the military council of the front for trial before a military court;

    b) to form within the army 3-5 well-armed guard units (200 each), place them in the direct rear of unstable divisions and oblige them to shoot panicists and cowards in the event of panic and erratic withdrawal of divisions, and thereby help honest fighters divisions to fulfill their duty to the homeland;
    c) to form within the army from 5 to 10 (depending on the situation) penal companies (from 150 to 200 people each), where to send ordinary fighters and junior commanders who are guilty of violating discipline by cowardice or instability, and put them in difficult areas army, to give them the opportunity to atone with blood for their crimes before their homeland.

    3. To commanders and commissars of corps and divisions;

    a) unconditionally remove from the posts of commanders and commissars of regiments and battalions who allowed the unauthorized withdrawal of units without the order of a corps or division commander, select orders and medals from them and send them to the military councils of the front to bring them to military court:

    b) provide all kinds of help and support to the army defense units in strengthening order and discipline in the units.

    The order to read in all companies, squadrons, batteries, squadrons, teams, staffs.

    People's Commissar of Defense

    I.STALIN

    I draw your attention to the fact that the composition of the detachments was formed from fighters of the same army where he acted.
    1. Gari
      Gari 18 July 2013 15: 01 New
      +6
      Quote: cobalt
      ORDER 227 "Not a Step Back"

      Stalin’s order “Not a step back!”

      Order of the People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR of July 28 on 1942 of the year.

      The enemy throws to the front all the new forces and, regardless of the great losses for it, climbs forward, rushes into the depths of the Soviet Union, seizes new areas, devastates and ruins our cities and villages, rapes, robs and kills the Soviet population. The fighting takes place in the Voronezh region, on the Don, in the south at the gates of the North Caucasus. The German invaders rush to Stalingrad, to the Volga and want to seize the Kuban, the North Caucasus with their oil and bread riches at any price. The enemy has already captured Voroshilovgrad, Starobelsk, Rossosh, Kupyansk, Valuyki, Novocherkassk, Rostov-on-Don, half of Voronezh. Part of the troops of the Southern Front, going for alarmists, left Rostov and Novocherkassk without serious resistance and without an order from Moscow, covering their banners with shame.

      The population of our country, with love and respect for the Red Army, begins to give up on it, loses faith in the Red Army, and many of them curse the Red Army because it gives our people under the yoke of the German oppressors, while it flows away to the east.

      Some stupid people at the front console themselves with talk that we can continue to retreat east, since we have a lot of territory, a lot of land, a lot of population, and that we will always have plenty of bread. By this they want to justify their shameful behavior on the fronts. But such conversations are completely false and false, beneficial only to our enemies.

      Each commander, Red Army soldier and political worker must understand that our means are not unlimited. The territory of the Soviet state is not a desert, but people — workers, peasants, intelligentsia — our fathers, mothers, wives, brothers, children. The territory of the USSR, which the enemy has captured and seeks to capture, is bread and other products for the army and the rear, metal and fuel for industry, factories, factories supplying the army with arms and ammunition, railways. After the loss of Ukraine, Belarus, the Baltic states, Donbass and other areas, we have become much less territory, therefore there are much less people, bread, metal, factories, factories. We have lost more than 70 million people, more than 800 million pounds of bread per year and more than 10 million tons of metal per year. We now no longer have a predominance over the Germans either in human reserves or in stocks of bread. Retreating further means ruining oneself and ruining our Motherland at the same time. Each new patch of territory left by us will in every way strengthen the enemy and in every way weaken our defense, our Motherland.



      Therefore, we must fundamentally stop talking about the fact that we have the opportunity to retreat endlessly, that we have a lot of territory, our country is large and rich, there is a lot of population, there will always be plenty of bread. Such conversations are deceitful and harmful, they weaken us and strengthen the enemy, for if we do not stop retreat, we will be left without bread, without fuel, without metal, without raw materials, without factories and plants, without railways.

      From this it follows that it is time to end the retreat.

      Not one step back! That should now be our main call.

      We must stubbornly, to the last drop of blood, defend every position, every meter of Soviet territory, cling to every piece of Soviet land and defend it to the last possible opportunity.

      Our homeland is going through hard days. We must stop, and then discard and defeat the enemy, no matter what it costs us. The Germans are not as strong as it seems to alarmists. They exert last strength. To withstand their blow now, in the next few months - this means ensuring victory for us.
      1. Gari
        Gari 18 July 2013 15: 02 New
        +2
        Can we withstand the blow, and then throw the enemy to the west? Yes, we can, for our factories and factories in the rear are now working fine and our front is getting more and more aircraft, tanks, artillery, mortars.
        What are we missing?
        There is not enough order and discipline in companies, battalions, regiments, divisions, in tank units, in air squadrons. This is now our main drawback. We must establish the strictest order and iron discipline in our army if we want to save the situation and defend the Homeland ...
        From now on, the iron law of discipline for each commander, Red Army soldier, political worker should be a requirement - not a step back without an order from the highest command.
        The company, battalion, regiment, division commanders, the corresponding commissars and political workers, retreating from combat positions without orders from above, are traitors to the motherland. Such commanders and political workers must be dealt with as traitors to the motherland.
        Such is the call of our Motherland.
        To fulfill this call means to defend our land, save the Motherland, exterminate and defeat the hated enemy ...
  2. pinecone
    pinecone 18 July 2013 07: 28 New
    +9
    Since the time of the Khrushchev "thaw" a myth was born about the NKVD detachment detachments, which shot back the units of the Red Army with machine guns.


    This is not true. Until Gorbachev’s perestroika, the topic of detachment detachments was not subject to public discussion at all. They were not mentioned either in official works on the history of the Great Patriotic War, or in the memoirs of Soviet military commanders. They were first talked about in 1987, when they published the text of Order No. 227 in a number of periodicals.
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 18 July 2013 14: 28 New
      -15
      Scan the original or a copy that was distributed in the troops, show? If there is, then go to the studio! There was no such order, my grandfather served in the secret department of the headquarters of the Western Front after being wounded from December 41 to October 42, and probably should have known about this order, and then swore for a long time when an article about this order was printed in some kind of to the newspaper. Leisurely notions of remake historians!
  3. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 18 July 2013 07: 54 New
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    The topic is quite painful. The more materials on it are available, the better.
    Thanks for the stuff!
    1. avt
      avt 18 July 2013 09: 43 New
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      Quote: Scary Warrant Officer
      The topic is quite painful. The more materials on it are available, the better.

      good And often remind you with specific facts.
      1. knn54
        knn54 18 July 2013 15: 09 New
        +7
        The specifics:
        - On September 13, the 112th Infantry Division moved away from the occupied line under enemy pressure. The detachment detachment of the 62nd Army, under the leadership of the head of the detachment of Lieutenant of State Security Khlystov, took up defense. For four days, the soldiers and detachment commanders repelled the attacks of enemy machine gunners, inflicting heavy losses on them. The detachment kept the line up to the approach of military units.
        - On September 14, the enemy launched an offensive against units of the 399th Infantry Division of the 62nd Army. The soldiers and commanders of the 396th and 472nd infantry regiments began to retreat in panic. The head of the detachment, junior lieutenant of state security Elman ordered his detachment to open fire OVER THE HEADS of the retreating. As a result, the personnel of these regiments was stopped and two hours later the regiments occupied the previous lines of defense.
        - On September 15-16, the detachment detachment of the 62nd Army successfully fought with superior enemy forces in the area of ​​the Stalingrad railway station for two days. Despite its small size, the detachment detachment not only repelled the Germans' attacks, but also counterattacked, inflicting significant casualties on the enemy. The detachment left its line only when parts of the 10th Infantry Division came to replace
        - On September 20, the Germans occupied the eastern outskirts of Melekhovskaya. The combined brigade, under the pressure of the enemy, began an unauthorized withdrawal. The actions of the detachment of the 47th Army of the Black Sea Group of Forces in the brigade brought order. The brigade occupied its former borders and, at the initiative of the political instructor of the company of the same detachment of Pestov, the enemy was driven back from Melekhovskaya by joint actions with the brigade.

        On October 2, 1942, during the offensive of our troops, separate parts of the 138th division of the division, met by powerful artillery and mortar fire of the enemy, faltered and fled back in panic through the battle formations of the 1st battalion 706 SP, 204 SD, which were in the second echelon.
        By measures taken by the command and the division battalion, the situation was restored. 7 cowards and alarmists were shot before the formation, and the rest returned to the front line.
        -October 16, 1942, during a counterattack by the enemy, a group of Red Army men of 781 and 124 pages of divisions in the amount of 30 people showed cowardice and began to flee in a panic from the battlefield, dragging other military personnel with them.
        The army detachment of the 21st army located on this site eliminated panic by force of arms and restored its former position.
        November 19-1942, 293, during the offensive of units of the 1306rd division during an enemy counterattack, two mortar platoons of XNUMX joint ventures together with platoon commanders - ml. Lieutenants Bogatyrev and Yegorov - without command of the command they left the occupied line and in a panic, throwing weapons, began to flee the battlefield.
        The platoon of machine gunners of the army detachment located on this site stopped the fleeing and, having shot two alarmists in front of the formation, returned the rest to their former borders, after which they successfully moved forward.
        November 20 -1942, 38, but the enemy’s counterattack time, one of the XNUMXth division’s companies, which was at a height that did not resist the enemy, began to randomly leave the occupied area without command from the command.
        83 the detachment of 64 armies, serving as barriers directly behind the battle formations of units of the 38th SD, stopped the running company in panic and returned it to the previously occupied section of height, after which the company personnel showed exceptional endurance and perseverance in battles with the enemy. "
        !!! At that time, to prevent a retreat and panic, ANY commander could shoot the alarmist at the scene.
  4. zadorin1974
    zadorin1974 18 July 2013 08: 05 New
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    the topic is addressed correctly - a lot of dirt is pouring, the article is plus. Request to the author to open the topic more extensively, it will not be enough. And at the expense of lies about executions, when a regiment runs (2-3 thousand bayonets that a group of 20-30 people can do a barrage? and they could, and stopped and deployed to positions. If we compare someone who read about the German barracks detachments - very instructive examples for our liberals
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 18 July 2013 14: 22 New
      +4
      About German detachments and their detachment battalions generally a separate song. I had to communicate with a Wehrmacht veteran who went through such a battalion. Prior to this, he won 3 years on the eastern front. His thought was “better shot me before that”. The treatment was no better than with captured Russians. True or not, I don’t know. As they say for what I bought for something I sold
    2. knn54
      knn54 18 July 2013 15: 14 New
      +3
      VGK Headquarters Directive No. 001919 to the commander of the fronts, armies, division commanders, the commander-in-chief of the troops of the South-West direction on the creation of guard units in rifle divisions on September 12, 1941
      “The experience of the struggle against German fascism showed that in our rifle divisions there are many panic and directly hostile elements, which, at the first pressure from the enemy’s side, drop their weapons and start shouting:“ They surrounded us! ” and carry along the rest of the fighters. As a result of such actions of these elements, the division takes to flight, throws the material part, and then, alone, begins to leave the forest. Similar phenomena take place on all fronts. If the commanders and commissars of such divisions were at the height of their task, alarmist and hostile elements could not prevail in the division. But the trouble is that we have not so many firm and stable commanders and commissars.
      In order to prevent the above-mentioned undesirable phenomena at the front, the Supreme High Command orders:
      1. In each rifle division, have a protective detachment of reliable fighters, no more than a battalion (calculated by 1 company per rifle regiment), subordinate to the division commander and having at his disposal in addition to conventional weapons vehicles in the form of trucks and several tanks or armored vehicles.
      2. The tasks of the protective detachment to consider direct assistance to the commanders in maintaining and establishing firm discipline in the division, stopping the flight of panic-stricken military personnel, not stopping to use weapons, eliminating the initiators of panic and flight, supporting honest and combat elements of the division that are not subject to panic but are addicted to common flight.
      3. To oblige employees of special divisions and political personnel of divisions to render all possible assistance to division commanders and defensive detachments in strengthening the order and discipline of the division.
      4. The creation of barrier units to finish within five days from the date of receipt of this order.
      5. On the receipt and execution of the commander of the fronts and armies to convey.
      Supreme Command Headquarters
      I.Stalin
      B. Shaposhnikov »
      "The USSR State Security Agencies in the Great Patriotic War. Vol. 2. Beginning. Book 2. September 1 - December 31, 1941 M., 2000, p. 85"
      PS During the battles for Tallinn, the losses incurred by the detachment of squads - over 60% of the personnel, including almost all commanders.
  5. VkadimirEfimov1942
    VkadimirEfimov1942 18 July 2013 08: 24 New
    +6
    This article is closer to the truth about the history of the Second World War 41-45gg. I am glad that it is more true than we have been lately presented in films about the Second World War.
  6. bunta
    bunta 18 July 2013 08: 25 New
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    For completeness, it would be nice to mention the Feldgendarmerie (FIELD GENDARMERIA) among the Germans.
    1. smile
      smile 18 July 2013 13: 03 New
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      bunta
      And also, for example, that the entire road from Königsberg to Pillau was hung with deserters, whose judicial executions no one took into account or counted anywhere. Or that ordinary refugees could not get on the ships evacuating the Germans from Pillau and Danzig - when they tried to get through the cordon, the SS men were shot on the spot without any consideration (this is about the unhappy refugees drowned by our submariners - ordinary women and children are simply could not get special passes) well, etc.
  7. omsbon
    omsbon 18 July 2013 08: 26 New
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    The main and desired goal of any liberalist is to spit in his own history, in his people and quickly run for his Jewish fee! The theme of detachments and tornadoes is their piece of bread, I do not want to lie!
  8. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 18 July 2013 09: 21 New
    +6
    Thanks to the author. Wonderful article.
    But as a joke, I read about a detachment in Estonia in the amount of 1 companies about the fence, and decided that it would be good to send 1 traps in the size of the GB battalion to the Baltic states to fight the last-SS bandits.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 18 July 2013 11: 49 New
      +9
      Quote: stock buildbat
      to the Baltic States to deal with the last-gang SS bandits, it would be nice to send 1 camps in the size of the GB battalion


      Do not languish where you can enroll in this battalion?
  9. Igor39
    Igor39 18 July 2013 09: 22 New
    +7
    I don’t remember where I was reading, the battalion commander said that the soldiers ran away, and there was a guard detachment behind them, the Nkvdshniks stopped the soldiers in their trenches, encouraged them with words, gave ammunition and counterattacked, did one thing, the rest was a fairy tale.
  10. Alekseev
    Alekseev 18 July 2013 09: 33 New
    +6
    The theme of the resilience of our troops in the battles of the Great Patriotic War is very painful.
    Just as the war itself is painful and inhuman.
    But detachments were simply necessary then. As, however, as before, in World War I and in all the more or less significant military conflicts of the past and the future.
    It was just called in other words.
    And, of course, with such a large-scale and fierce confrontation, there were all kinds of excesses and injustices in this service.
    As in any other.
  11. Passer
    Passer 18 July 2013 09: 42 New
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    Thanks for the stuff.
    My grandfather served in a detachment during the war, maybe as they say and show on TV, they were cowards, shooting their units (Mikhalkov’s work “Citadel” was especially “pleased”), but where did the shell shock, after which he partially lost his sight, four wounds, two of them near Stalingrad. But it’s clear where he got a strong hatred for Khrushchev and the remodelers.
    1. smile
      smile 18 July 2013 13: 09 New
      +6
      Passer
      And my grandfather (in the army since June 41, at the front from the winter 41-42 through the Balaton operation of 45 years) did not see one detachment detachment ... no, he heard that to increase the military stability of the troops, especially in threatened areas, is ... but I have never seen ... everything, consider going to war in vain, did not notice the crimes of the bad Stalinist regime ... :))))))
      1. avt
        avt 18 July 2013 14: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: smile
        that to increase the military stability of the troops, especially in threatened areas, they exist ... but have never seen ... everything, consider going to war in vain, did not notice the crimes of the bad Stalinist regime ... :))))))

        Well, in the summer of 42 - yes, when it was hard, but then later the main task of the commandant’s barrage was to protect the rear, because they were transferred to SMERSH. By the way, border guards were often staffed until they reached the USSR border.
        1. smile
          smile 18 July 2013 15: 00 New
          +1
          avt
          Hello! You seem to have changed your smile on the avatar? I like this one more :)))
          And by the text, I, of course, know that ... so, I blinked slightly ... especially. that how perestroika began, and the topic began to be exaggerated. I really asked my grandfather about detachments ...
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 18 July 2013 17: 19 New
        +4
        My grandfather did not see either, but he was called up in July 1941 and went through the entire war as a platoon and company commander in the infantry. The other was a tanker, and those who stop. But this does not mean that these units were not in the units. In principle, the detachments served as the “military police” that exist in any army.
        1. smile
          smile 18 July 2013 17: 38 New
          0
          Aaron Zawi
          Aron ... well, you don’t think that I questioned their very existence ... :))) by the way, they also stopped the tankers - they climbed onto the tanks, tapped the armor with their butts and with the help of the famous mother explained that it was necessary to move in the other direction. or, for example, where there is fuel and ammunition, where is the collection point .... this is from the read memories.
  12. Old Cynic
    Old Cynic 18 July 2013 09: 43 New
    +9
    "Top secret
    People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR
    General Commissioner for State Security
    to comrade BERIA

    REFERENCE


    From the beginning of the war through 10 October this year. Special departments of the NKVD and barrage detachments of the NKVD troops for the protection of the rear detained 657 364 military personnel who lagged behind their units and fled from the front.
    Of these, 249 people were detained by operational barriers of the Special Departments and 969 troops were detained by the NKVD troops for the protection of the rear.
    - Of the detainees, the Special Departments arrested 25 people, the remaining 878 people were formed in part and again sent to the front.
    Among those arrested by the Special Divisions are:
    Spyware - 1505
    saboteurs - 308
    traitors - 2621
    panties and alarmists - 2643
    deserters - 8772
    distributors of provocative rumors - 3987
    Gunners - 1671
    others - 4371
    Total - 25 878
    According to the decisions of the Special Departments and the sentences of the Military Tribunals, 10 people were shot, of which 201 were shot before the formation.
    Deputy Early Office of the NKVD NGO
    State Commissioner 3 rank security S. Milstein
    (October 1941). ”


    I don’t remember where and when I copied, excuse me ...
  13. Duelist
    Duelist 18 July 2013 09: 49 New
    +3
    A lot of negative in consciousness was fixed for the image of the word that became a household word - the NKVD. No one liked the “punitive” structures; the stump was convincingly disclosed. Thank.
  14. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 18 July 2013 10: 18 New
    +4
    Probably it would not hurt to create today something similar to detachment detachments in order to just as effectively fight against the liberals denigrating their country, their people and their history. hi
  15. Eugene
    Eugene 18 July 2013 10: 34 New
    +5
    Interestingly written by Bogomolov. On behalf of Tamantsev. About the commandant’s office. Normal, understandable language. Article plus!
  16. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 18 July 2013 10: 38 New
    +6
    Thank you very much to the author!
    The article clarified a lot (is it for everyone?).
    Maybe now the time has come just as well, more or less thoroughly consider the topic of fines? Already it hurts a lot of copies of polomato at the Forum, at the mention of the word "penal battalion". Especially after the appearance of the series with the same name.
    Respectfully (date, signature)
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 18 July 2013 15: 01 New
      +6
      “Shtrafbat” is the infamous and vile fake of E Volodarsky (the big specialist in penal battalions), mixed up the penalty with the Shtrfbat. And the organizer of this cheap Dostal (surnames for what) specializes in dousing the USSR.
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 18 July 2013 15: 59 New
        +2
        I can’t say anything about E. Volodarsky, but V. Vysotsky created this song phrase: "... the penal battalions are breaking through ...". Maybe he is the source of lies?
        1. Djozz
          Djozz 18 July 2013 16: 32 New
          0
          This is it for rhyme.
    2. COBOK
      COBOK 18 July 2013 23: 44 New
      +2
      Books - the sea, and memoirs. Just the memories of the constant composition of the penal companies (the big difference between the penal company and the penal battalion). Do not be lazy - you can also find on IREMEMBER.RU - you will learn a lot of new things, and only then a brief summary on the site, I think, many will thank wink
  17. Gato
    Gato 18 July 2013 10: 58 New
    +8
    The concept of a detachment is quite vague - “a permanent or temporary military unit created to perform a combat or special mission.” It is also suitable for the definition of "special forces".

    In the case of detachments, it seems to me that the definition of osnaz is more suitable.
    The author rightly noted the difference between army barriers. units and specialized units of the NKVD and WRC, which were entrusted with the tasks of protecting the rear and the fight against saboteurs.
    And stupid fables about the NKVD and the commissars, "cheering" on the back of the head from the machine guns of the advancing Red Army soldiers, let us leave Hollywood and its fans.
  18. Ulan
    Ulan 18 July 2013 11: 48 New
    +7
    I am particularly struck by the hysterical comments of the liberals about how allegedly the detachments "shot in the back" to our retreating (advancing) troops. Not even an idiot had the idea to think how to shoot the "retreating" in the back? Rather, they were supposed to shoot in the chest, as the retreating went to the positions of the detachments, or it remains to be assumed that they were retreating with their backs forward.
    And if the unit was advancing, then for what kind of she-hell to shoot in the back? So she lay down? Break off the attack? After that, the commander of the detachment would probably be shot.
    All these myths are born, among other things, from cinematography such as "The Penalty Battalion" and "The Citadel."
    1. Protoucr
      Protoucr 18 July 2013 12: 19 New
      -19
      Repent for the crimes, otherwise, unlike the Germans, you still live with this.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 18 July 2013 12: 24 New
        +3
        To whom do you repent? Before the grandson of a cronoside?
        1. Protoucr
          Protoucr 18 July 2013 12: 53 New
          -16
          Fascists do not have a future, then your scoop has broken up. You will not have any Customs Union on fascism either.
          - The Germans are strong from them; they turned the black page of history and repented. Like you, fascist weaklings and descendants of fascist grandfathers - they continue to live in the history of crimes.


          But history does not tolerate lies, prolonging the agony of Kremlin fascism - will only make the fall worse in the future.
          1. washi
            washi 18 July 2013 13: 08 New
            0
            protoucr. the progenitors of people were, according to Darwin's theory, monkeys were. There are two options:
            1. Ukrainians are direct heirs of the gods and have no relation to people.
            2. Ukrainians are people. In this case, I’m sorry, don’t tell me what breed the animal was from which the human population came from.
            1. Protoucr
              Protoucr 18 July 2013 13: 30 New
              -8
              It’s not a secret for Ukrainians your inferiority complex at any mention of the word “Russia and Ukraine” - since in the territory of the Horde, as a rule, all civilization and technology came from us.
              - No need, such as your scribble - causes only bad attitude and conclusions.
              1. Ulan
                Ulan 18 July 2013 15: 55 New
                +8
                So Russia or Ukraine? In Ukraine, no Ukraine was observed. And then you have something like Japan-China.
                But you are “right”, the whole world is aware that Adam and Eve were ancient Ukrainians. That the history of ukrov totals 140 thousand years, although Homo sacciens appeared in Europe only 40 thousand years ago, therefore Ukrainians could only come from Neanderthals.
                Also, everyone “knows” that the Ukrainians invented the wheel, writing, taught mankind agriculture and tamed a horse.
                Recently, the Ukrainian “scientist” Bebik established that Christ was not a Galilean (that is, from Galilee) but a Galician, that is, from Galicia. One hundred percent Svidomo was Ukrainian. Christopher Columbus was also a Ukrainian from near Sumy, and Yurko Caesarenko was the real surname of Caesar and Macedonian .- Sashko Makedonenko.
                All this has been established absolutely accurately.
                If someone thinks I'm kidding, then nothing like that, I just cited excerpts from the works of some Ukrainian "historians".
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 18 July 2013 16: 05 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Ulan
                  If someone thinks I'm kidding

                  Yes, we believe, we believe ...
                  Nosovsky and Fomenko rest and nervously smoke aside ... laughing
                2. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 18 July 2013 17: 32 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Ulan
                  I just cited excerpts from the works of some Ukrainian "historians."

                  Those are also mistaken, for example:
                  Quote: Ulan
                  tamed a horse

                  In fact, it was exactly the opposite. The horse tamed the protoucres, since she herself could not get an apple from the tree (but she wanted to). That's just picking an apple, it was required to give the horse, and it was a shame. Here are the echoes of that resentment (when you need to give something back) and we still see request laughing
                3. Larus
                  Larus 19 July 2013 10: 50 New
                  +1
                  And the Neanderthals were then underdeveloped))))
              2. IRBIS
                IRBIS 18 July 2013 17: 13 New
                +2
                Quote: Protoucr
                since in the territory of the Horde, as a rule, all civilization and technology came from us.

                Of course! Adam and Eve were Ukrainians, this is a well-known fact! The Ukrainians gave mankind a wheel, fire, a steam locomotive, electricity. It was they who came up with the toilet and toilet paper. And how many modern, breakthrough technologies for salting lard and other gifts of nature? And how many ways to spray gas from a pipe? Yes, no one has mastered it better than you! Be proud, PROTOCR! Only, preferably, silently ...
                1. Ulan
                  Ulan 18 July 2013 17: 42 New
                  +1
                  You forgot the most important invention of all times and peoples. Without it, humanity is doomed. It is fat in chocolate. This is the salvation of mankind and for this it must contain ukrov, cherish and cherish. And gas is not worth talking about.
          2. Micex
            Micex 18 July 2013 14: 57 New
            +2
            Very similar reproaches smile. Do not forget that winners are not judged. But the Germans were forced to repent, by their own method.
          3. Djozz
            Djozz 18 July 2013 15: 02 New
            +2
            And hu hu, not hoho.
          4. Bronis
            Bronis 18 July 2013 15: 28 New
            +5
            Quote: Protoucr
            The Germans are strong, they turned the black page of history and repented. Like you, fascist weaklings and descendants of fascist grandfathers - they continue to live in the history of crimes.

            That's right! Temzi repented, repented ... and repented. Fascist parades were changed to gay parades. Strength of mind...

            Quote: Protoucr
            But history does not tolerate lies, prolonging the agony of Kremlin fascism - will only make the fall worse in the future.

            I can throw up another slogan! Stop the swine genocide! Eat Celery! But you know how to troll laughing
            1. Protoucr
              Protoucr 18 July 2013 15: 47 New
              -4
              You see, you even know where to look for such photos.
              - Close to you?
              1. Bronis
                Bronis 18 July 2013 15: 55 New
                +8
                Quote: Protoucr
                You see, you even know where to look for such photos.
                - Close to you?
                Not ... Germany is closer to you ... purely geographically. I even know why Ukraine is turning its backside to Russia more - it’s possible for us. To a tolerant Europe - you can’t ... laughing
                1. zadorin1974
                  zadorin1974 19 July 2013 06: 28 New
                  0
                  good laughing in essence
          5. Ulan
            Ulan 18 July 2013 15: 40 New
            +6
            Strange, the SS descendant from the SS division "Galichina" convicts those who fought with his masters and won.
            Apparently it still scratches in some places. However, this is a good example that our fathers and grandfathers did not completely uproot the brown infection and it gave poisonous shoots.
            However, the principle is clear, everyone knows who is the loudest screaming "Hold the thief."
      2. smile
        smile 18 July 2013 13: 18 New
        +6
        Protoucr
        That's interesting ... judging by the opinion of the Bandarlog “historians”, peasants came from ancient ukrov, and then people appeared ... and protoukry, hto? Crustacean trilobites? :))))
        And about repenting. Yes, we need to repent for excessive humanism, which did not allow us to destroy the scum of the human race - Bandera ... we repent ... we won’t ... we promise to reform and clean this mold next time ... although, I am afraid, normal Ukrainians will get ahead of us and when Bandera get them themselves clean out their land .... are you satisfied? :)))
        1. Protoucr
          Protoucr 18 July 2013 13: 32 New
          -7
          The story is one and what it was. Any attempts to call black white give rise to thoughts about the adequacy of the speaker.
          “Is it so hard to understand?”
          1. smile
            smile 18 July 2013 14: 00 New
            +5
            Protoucr
            Judging by your impudent total lie, you cannot understand this. If you haven’t understood for so many years. something. what your grandfather told you is a primitive lie, and it’s very primitive, so you’re an even more primitive person ... oh, sorry, protoucr ... :))) I won’t talk about your adequacy, you are just a short-witted impudent liar.
            1. Protoucr
              Protoucr 18 July 2013 14: 17 New
              -8
              I was always amazed at how people from your territories are trying to talk about facts in radically opposite rhetoric.
              “Don't you understand that you are perceived as inadequate?”


              Everything that I said is true. In 1939 there were two fascisms - Kremlin and German, with all the Rebentrop-Molotov ...
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 18 July 2013 14: 50 New
                +7
                Quote: Protoucr
                In 1939 there were two fascisms - Kremlin and German, with all the Rebentrop-Molotov ...

                Well, of course...
                But Bandera and her friends were cupid angels with coulametes instead of bows and arrows.
                1. Protoucr
                  Protoucr 18 July 2013 15: 49 New
                  -2
                  Bandera also shot the invaders.
                  - Who is with the sword ...
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 18 July 2013 15: 56 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Protoucr
                    Bandera also shot the invaders.

                    Yah?
                    And how many Nazis Bandera and Co. shot?
                    Or the German Wehrmacht does not fall under the definition of the invaders?
                  2. smiths xnumx
                    smiths xnumx 18 July 2013 16: 08 New
                    +5
                    Well, Bandera himself only strangled cats and did not shoot at anyone, there was no time. He kept his precious carcass, so to speak. But the last ones shot him, only in German uniforms and German weapons ... Unarmed peasants, collective farmers teachers, and sometimes they simply strangled him with a noose to take cartridges. Some even received Iron Crosses for this, like Shlyukhevych ...
                  3. shutyai
                    shutyai 18 July 2013 16: 10 New
                    +4
                    Oh, they completely confused me ... So did Bandera say that? And I always thought that Alexander Nevsky.
                  4. smile
                    smile 18 July 2013 16: 26 New
                    +2
                    Protoucr
                    Agagy (I do not mean Ukrainians, but Bandera and their predecessors) immediately on all fours and turn your backs ... to this. from the geyropa, which is with the "sword" :)))) from the Poles to the striped .... obviously there is steel in your organisms .... from the back .... for so many years it hasn’t worn out ... :) ))) Be proud? :))))
              2. Ulan
                Ulan 18 July 2013 15: 59 New
                +3
                But you gentlemen Svidomo are very adequate with their bullshit about Christ the Ukrainian. When your historians speak with their bullshit at international conferences, everyone rolls with laughter. The halls are full, they gather like Beni Hill’s concert.
              3. sichevik
                sichevik 18 July 2013 19: 35 New
                0
                Well, no luck to your ancestors, protoucr. Not those supported, not that ass licked. It was necessary for your idols - Bandera and Shukhevych not to hit a member of Hitler, but to go to the Kremlin with a bow.
  19. Protoucr
    Protoucr 18 July 2013 12: 17 New
    -12
    My grandfather, who is still alive at the age of 94, was driven by fishmen from the NKVD like cattle against Germans with bare hands. “Weapons will come now” - the wagon came, and in it the utensils exported from the churches.
    So he ended up in a concentration camp.


    - All attempts to bleach the NKVD are the same fascism as their other crimes. Do not anger God - do not write such lies as this article.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 18 July 2013 12: 22 New
      +5
      Quote: Protoucr
      My grandfather, who is still alive at 94


      Your grandfather, apparently from "lovers of good coffee, to which he became addicted to German captivity".
      1. Protoucr
        Protoucr 18 July 2013 12: 28 New
        -11
        A fascist, apparently a descendant of your grandfather-fascist from the NKVD — my grandfather Hero, as well as 273000 Ukrainians — whom the NKVDshny fascists fired with meat and stones in the organization of the false forcing of the Dnieper. Most of them were children, orphans, street children and adolescents.
        - Pure fascism in all manifestations, as well as the law of "high morality" of "Dima Kovalev." And you are the same fascist.
        1. Net
          Net 18 July 2013 12: 37 New
          +5
          Well, you don’t complain about the fascist, how many millions of people have your rotten rulers rotted during the non-season period? Fifty million of us? Did not forget? wink
          1. Protoucr
            Protoucr 18 July 2013 12: 46 New
            -11
            If it weren’t for the Kremlin fascists, who are still sitting in the Kremlin, with all the genocide-famine, it’s a well-known fact that there would be 100 million Ukrainians.
            - And we Kremlin fascism will never forget anyone.
            1. washi
              washi 18 July 2013 13: 12 New
              +6
              If not for the Kremlin, then the concept of "Ukraine" did not exist. Say thanks to Lenin and Khrushchev, who destroyed, mainly Russians and Little Russians.
              1. Protoucr
                Protoucr 18 July 2013 13: 35 New
                -9
                You are not a prophet to say what would be. These are your imperial shortcuts with which you actually indulge yourself. What, in fact, is also somehow far from adequate - you, many yourself said, you yourself gave me a lie, you yourself believed.
                - Only the rest of you all look around with a strange impression about you.
                1. smile
                  smile 18 July 2013 14: 03 New
                  +4
                  Protoucr
                  Do not think that we are at least somewhat similar to you, we don’t indulge ourselves with labels ... :)))) And you indulge? :)))) And how, successfully? :)))) And with a woman we don’t have you tried? :))) Be sure to try. maybe at least part of the complexes will pass ... you look. the head will work ... :))))
                2. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 18 July 2013 17: 10 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Protoucr
                  You are not a prophet to say that would have been.

                  Quote: Protoucr
                  Ukrainians would be 100 millions.

                  Well yes, the prophet is here - you laughing
            2. Net
              Net 18 July 2013 13: 20 New
              +8
              Exactly, exactly! The hand of Moscow, during the years of independence of Ukraine, reduced its population from 52 million to 45.5 million! 6,5 million svidomytes tortured in the dungeons of the FSB’s successor to the KGB - is it not genocide! lol
              1. Protoucr
                Protoucr 18 July 2013 13: 37 New
                -10
                Do you really think that we do not know your depopulation. the poor. prostitutes, suicides, orphans, etc.?
                - You have a deplorable situation, since they are already taking into the army - blind, deaf and drug addicts. We are aware that your rhetoric is an emulation of a good mine with a bad game.
                1. Net
                  Net 18 July 2013 14: 04 New
                  +8
                  We omit the rhetoric and turn to the facts. Independence claimed 6.5 million citizens of Ukraine. Is Moscow to blame?
                2. smile
                  smile 18 July 2013 14: 06 New
                  +2
                  Protoucr
                  Do not entertain yourself with illusions. We are at the level to which the nationalists have brought Ukraine to never fall ... go better ... please yourself ... label ... we ourselves said-such. how are you accepted .... :))))
                  1. Protoucr
                    Protoucr 18 July 2013 14: 57 New
                    -9
                    Do not touch - we have new tanks, planes, armored personnel carriers, ATGMs, air defense systems, radar, missiles, etc.
                    “And you have nothing.” ) Zero - Soviet products, and the pipe - which will strangle you with the shale revolution. The account goes on for years already, and so you with the devaluation of the ruble, the sequestration of the budget.
                    Your trolling is ridiculous - we all know about you.
                    1. Net
                      Net 18 July 2013 15: 33 New
                      +6
                      The patient is really bad smile
                      Good luck trolling about how spaceships plow the vast expanses of Ukraine.
                      1. Protoucr
                        Protoucr 18 July 2013 15: 43 New
                        -3
                        Yes, we are completely building the complex in Brazil, while you are in Proton-M with the Ukrainian SU - you cannot twist the plus from the sensor with a minus.
                      2. smiths xnumx
                        smiths xnumx 18 July 2013 17: 05 New
                        +5
                        Dear Netto, this is the famous pan kotobood, a note fighter with yami. Read his LiveJournal story by the way, you will learn a lot of interesting things about the 6th generation Ukrainian fighters and about the Polish-Ukrainian rapid response corps as part of NATO on the An-70 and that only the United States can compete with Ukraine in space, in short, much more. .. True, he will not succeed in answering him, he will immediately be banned for any statement that does not fit into his matrix. Yours faithfully! hi
                      3. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 18 July 2013 17: 10 New
                        +5
                        Quote: smiths xnumx
                        this is the famous pan kotobood, a note fighter with yami

                        So the vile guise opened, hiding in the virtual bushes of the enemy, in the space of the World Wide Web. laughing
                  2. Ulan
                    Ulan 18 July 2013 16: 05 New
                    +2
                    In my opinion, a person is either raving or joking.
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 18 July 2013 16: 12 New
                      +9
                      Quote: Ulan
                      In my opinion, a person is either raving or joking.

                      Not at all...
                      A new variety of mushrooms has been bred - either the fly agaric of Bandera, or the toadstool of Bebik ...?
                      In general, the effect is the same. fellow
              2. Ulan
                Ulan 18 July 2013 16: 04 New
                0
                Alas, most of the ladies of the famous profession in Russia are Ukrainian. In Europe, the same thing.
              3. Oleko
                Oleko 13 May 2017 21: 52 New
                0
                Judging by what kind of blunt and deaf dingy marines and drug addicts my wife and I met, going to our site, I’ll say: if there were more
            3. Misantrop
              Misantrop 18 July 2013 17: 12 New
              +2
              Quote: Netto
              from 52 million to 45.5 million
              Where does 45,5 million come from? 42 was a trifle (they still did not consider those who had left for a long migrant worker. And even this amount could not have been collected ...
          2. smile
            smile 18 July 2013 13: 41 New
            +3
            Protoucr
            If it weren’t for the Kremlin fascists, you wouldn’t have existed at all ... not a single person ... there would have been a handful of Bandera cannibals used for punitive purposes ... and even fascists would have shot short-mad dogs ...
            But we really won’t forget your fascism .... and normal Ukrainians will not forget it ... in principle, the destruction of your kind is a matter of the survival of the Ukrainians as a nation ... if the Ukrainians want to save the nation and the state, they will transfer you like rats ....
          3. Micex
            Micex 18 July 2013 15: 01 New
            +3
            oh yes - bend towards Europe and you will invisibly wag your ass. Nobody loves you - neither Poles, nor Russians, nor Ukrainians who speak Russian. With whom are you going to lead a friendship then, since everyone has already managed to spoil everyone ???
          4. Ulan
            Ulan 18 July 2013 16: 02 New
            +2
            The funny thing is that without the Kremlin you’re no more, and in the 20 years of independence you yourself fell by almost 7 million. This is the Holodomor so famine, and the most annoying that you can’t write to the Kremlin.
            They could grow by 20 million over 20 years, but they turned out to be incapable.
            By the way, why aren’t you writing here on the Move? What kind of conscious (Svidomo) Ukrainian are you after that?
      2. Hudo
        Hudo 18 July 2013 12: 41 New
        +5
        Quote: Protoucr
        . And you are the same.

        You will poke your Galician females if the poke from eating beetroot shmurdyak has not dried up.

        Quote: Protoucr
        my grandfather is a hero


        A very dubious and unfounded statement. From the heroes, the tellers of revelations from the fascist infirmities who had enough joules in the ass to run from retaliation to the Kakanadian border and shitting from there, are not born.
        1. Protoucr
          Protoucr 18 July 2013 12: 50 New
          -14
          What do not like? And so it is.

          “And your falsification cannot change anything.” You will only contribute to annoyance from your lies, which of course will only accelerate a divorce with a bad common past.


          ***

          - And do not deny it, this is the true opinion of Ukrainians. And not that you are used to forming yourself, or living in an artificial alternative illusion of myths and fakes.
          1. smile
            smile 18 July 2013 13: 48 New
            +4
            Protoucr
            There are no more degenerates and scum in Ukraine. than others. Because there are naturally few such “true” ones there ... well, even half of the people cannot consist of fascist degenerates like you .... therefore, don’t lie, lies will not help you ... :)) True Ukrainians are . for example, my Ukrainian relatives. living in Fastov or in Lubny, who are despised by your kind, and you are a fascist degenerate whose no people will recognize as their ... abrek .... those like you have driven Ukraine into a ditch and are trying to drive even deeper, what’s your goal - the destruction of Ukraine. how are states? Take a look. will achieve. on my own head, that the Ukrainian people are planting you at stake there ... :)))
        2. Protoucr
          Protoucr 18 July 2013 13: 38 New
          -12
          I will never scam the Nazis scum.
          - Goodbye abortion stories of lies and crimes.
      3. smile
        smile 18 July 2013 13: 36 New
        +4
        Protoucr
        The orphans themselves counted? And who took the orphans, by what order? :))) And you mentioned the orphans for what. for credibility? :)))
        The only one who would agree with you is Dr. Goebbels (and his followers) ... he also loved shedding tears about the victims of the NKVD ... would have patted you on the shoulder with a hand and said "Gut malshik" ... so that the fascist is you, it’s you using their propaganda rhetoric .... and arrogant liar. Looks like your grandfather is an executioner who hid under the mask of a prisoner. since he imposed this nonsense on you ... eh, the bloody gebnya didn’t work ....
        1. Protoucr
          Protoucr 18 July 2013 13: 51 New
          -10
          You have the same thing now with the law of Dima Kovolev. And there are more orphans in the meantime - more than even in the 1930s ...

          - What do you curse yourself with? Or do you think we do not know about you? Like the fact that you have a growth of beggars by 54%, homeless people more than 3 million, prostitutes 3% of the population - and this, as I understand it, is definitely not from the Caucasus ... etc.

          You sow with your rhetoric strange conclusions about you and tenderness or something ... Strange conclusions in general, a mix of emotions - which, on your part, should be ashamed.
          1. smile
            smile 18 July 2013 14: 14 New
            +3
            Protoucr
            Unfortunate, who is Dima Kovalev? You don’t even know the boy’s last name, which all the media in the world have been wagging for several months .... what then do you know at all? :)))) You know that your children were taken away more. than with us? With a difference in population .... I already said, do not console yourself with illusions, and you have more homeless people and prostitutes. and you do not build almost anything and the dynamics are depressing, in comparison with us ... and this is the merit of your nationalists. who do not give life to normal Ukrainians
      4. Axel
        Axel 18 July 2013 13: 59 New
        -10
        Quote: Protoucr
        A fascist, apparently a descendant of your grandfather-fascist from the NKVD — my grandfather Hero, as well as 273000 Ukrainians — whom the NKVDshny fascists fired with meat and stones in the organization of the false forcing of the Dnieper. Most of them were children, orphans, street children and adolescents.

        Barrage detachments were!
        We will not forget the crossing of the Dnieper, we will tell our children and grandchildren, unlike you, we remember this, not from films and your false history, but from the lips of our grandfathers!
        They rotted in the trenches and lice, and did not eat the stew in warm short fur coats and felt boots, shot them unarmed and wounded.
        NKVDeshniki after the war were always outcasts; our grandfathers did not drink vodka with them for the victory. And there was such an outcast in our yard!
        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 19 July 2013 01: 58 New
          +1
          Of course they didn’t drink. Your grandfathers were in the camps, it’s a pity that they left there.
      5. Ulan
        Ulan 18 July 2013 17: 47 New
        +6
        Hero? Does it really have an iron cross? In general, you lie so primitively that your intellectual level is obvious. Ragul Galichansky. It is very doubtful that you are Ukrainian because you don’t know many Ukrainian words. You don’t react to them. It seems like a primitive provocateur.
  20. smile
    smile 18 July 2013 13: 28 New
    +6
    Protoucr
    You are blatantly lying.
    2. If your grandfather told you this, then he impudently lied to him - apparently, a Bandera cannibal. Apparently at the end of the war he was able to avoid responsibility. pretending to be a prisoner of a concentration camp. as many Bandera executioners did ... judging by the fact that it was possible, he was in his guard ... the executioner in a word .... you even didn’t have enough brains to catch him on a lie, he said that the weapon would come ... Yeah, the car drove straight to the front ?. Before the attack, his entire unit went from the front line to the station for rifles? :))) A wagon with evacuated property was sent from the rear to the front line? Or did the car with the evacuated property come from the Germans? :))) Are you really so stupid that you didn’t understand that your grandfather brazenly lied? And he lied stupidly, so that only an idiot is not visible?
    I will not tell you about God .... you are so brazenly defiantly lying that you ... God. And do not stain his name with your false lips ....
    1. Net
      Net 18 July 2013 13: 34 New
      +7
      That's for sure, but after the carriage he apparently came to the front steamer, loaded with busts of Stalin, as in the movie with Mikhalkov. It is strange that the sticks were not issued.
      1. Protoucr
        Protoucr 18 July 2013 13: 55 New
        -9
        There is a Hollywood film about Vasily Zaitsev and Stalingrad, called "Enemy at the Gates" - everything is correctly shown there as it was.
        1. Net
          Net 18 July 2013 14: 13 New
          +7
          lol Hollywood for ukra is a serious historical source. That's why he is Hollywood, because you want to believe in it. And in general, trolling is a test, for a long time there were no people like you. You at the "Ear Matzah" here just make fun of you.
          1. Protoucr
            Protoucr 18 July 2013 14: 40 New
            -6
            People are still alive, memory is alive - and you are perceived as inadequate. No wonder you have no friends in the world.
            1. Net
              Net 18 July 2013 14: 54 New
              +5
              Most of us perceive you as inadequate! But will you believe the majority more than your feelings and your worldview? Hardly. So do not blame the world community, calling them allies. This world is more vicious every day, and Russia with such a world of p * derasts and imperialists is not on the way. Well, good luck to you in Geyrop. Or as they say now in Ukraine: To Europe through * opu!
              1. Protoucr
                Protoucr 18 July 2013 15: 01 New
                -2
                Of course, you live in a world of illusions.

                ))

                - Now it’s very funny to watch how, for example, it starts to reach you that we are going to the EU. Before that, you had the illusion that we need your vehicle. - Not needed, and never needed. Your vehicle is your project of prolonging agony at the expense of others - naturally we will not feed you, and nothing will happen to you.
                1. Net
                  Net 18 July 2013 15: 29 New
                  +3
                  Go go! They are waiting for you there lol Have you not received an association agreement yet? lol Bend a little because! Carrots in front of the nose were shocked by European uncles and all that? The EU knows about you as suppliers of live goods to Ukrainian prostitutes, and the place will be appropriate for you there. So the world of illusions is in your head.
                  1. Protoucr
                    Protoucr 18 July 2013 15: 44 New
                    -1
                    You see how, but nobody wants to go to you ...
                    “So there is nothing good with the Zolotorindians.”
                2. Ulan
                  Ulan 18 July 2013 16: 10 New
                  +4
                  You’ve been walking for 20 years. Only you aren’t really waiting for something there. Who needs freeloaders.
                  During this time, they just didn’t accept anyone, and Ukraine was only fed promises.
            2. Djozz
              Djozz 18 July 2013 15: 14 New
              +1
              Such as you are friends, and no enemies.
              1. Protoucr
                Protoucr 18 July 2013 15: 17 New
                -2
                Your actions clearly show who is the enemy of Ukraine.
                1. Ulan
                  Ulan 18 July 2013 16: 11 New
                  +4
                  Do not cheat. Not in Ukraine but in the Galician Bander.
        2. smile
          smile 18 July 2013 14: 20 New
          +2
          Protoucr
          Ahhh. Well. then everything is clear with you ..... :))))) the degree of idiocy is amazing ... if your knowledge is taken from Hollywood films in which you are not distorted except for a couple of names and one geographical name ... :)))) You are so stupid that you don’t understand how much you discredit yourself, referring to the Hollywood movie:)))) ... all the more to this .... why not to Rimbaud? :)))) Pakeda. babanka, you are incurable :))))
          1. I am a Russian
            I am a Russian 18 July 2013 16: 30 New
            +3
            Quote: smile
            You are so stupid that you don’t understand how much you discredit yourself


            he is a troll ...
            ... it’s strange that adequate Ukrainians are silent ... or are they just supporting him?

            like him every year in Ukraine is becoming more and more
        3. Ulan
          Ulan 18 July 2013 16: 07 New
          +4
          So you are still not respectable and fought in Stalingrad? Well, on whose side I ask, and so it is clear.
        4. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 18 July 2013 17: 27 New
          +1
          Why carry nonsense?
    2. Protoucr
      Protoucr 18 July 2013 13: 54 New
      -5
      Halva-halva ... - As you yourself say.

      - Believe me, obscurantism and the crimes of your Kremlin, no one will forget you. Any of your denial, silence, lies - will only accelerate the formation of negative to you.
      1. chehywed
        chehywed 18 July 2013 13: 59 New
        +3
        “Weapons will come now” - the wagon came, and in it the utensils exported from the churches.
        So he ended up in a concentration camp.


        In the sense of? In epitrachili and with armpit icons? Apparently the Germans despised church thieves.
      2. shutyai
        shutyai 18 July 2013 14: 03 New
        +4
        Why are you such a hater of all Russian on the Russian keyboard layout? Get out your Bandera ...
      3. smile
        smile 18 July 2013 14: 25 New
        +3
        Protoucr
        Every year, less and less people in our country believe in that idiotic nonsense that you are still trying to propagate .... only hydrocephalus can believe in your lies-well, go to the psychiatric hospital ... you shouldn’t have shut up the propagandist ... you have to work thinner, otherwise too arrogant and obvious lies you will harm your undertaking ... but you. See, incorrigible .... even though I'm kind. but I don’t feel sorry for you ... :)))
        1. Protoucr
          Protoucr 18 July 2013 14: 42 New
          -4
          Well, you have once again confirmed that in your obscurantism we have nothing to do. Only the EU, there are adequate people.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 18 July 2013 14: 58 New
            +8
            Quote: Protoucr
            Only the EU, there are adequate people.

            Bravo!
            The casket opened simply!
            Here she is a true faith in the "leaky" love of "adequate" people ... laughing
            1. Protoucr
              Protoucr 18 July 2013 15: 11 New
              -4
              Is dissonance true?
              - Something in the CU is only driven by terror, but in the EU they themselves want. Troll template break.
              Nothing else, Nazarbayev and But father are ill with cancer - they will also leave the vehicle. Everything has been seized from Nazarbayev, but they are already switching to Latin, they will throw out all the Golden Horde books from the libraries, the controlled opposition is already actively opposing the TS, which is essentially a mass grave with no profit.
              1. Ulan
                Ulan 18 July 2013 16: 14 New
                +3
                He wants what he wants, but who will give him. You can want another 100 years, no one forbids.
                But it would be better if they were busy, otherwise they turned the most prosperous republic of the USSR into the second Honduras.
                And they promised you a second France. Here and freak out that you were left with a broken trough. Well, it’s their own fault.
          2. vitek1233
            vitek1233 18 July 2013 15: 09 New
            +4
            and you happen to be from another planet?
            1. smile
              smile 18 July 2013 16: 41 New
              +1
              vitek1233
              Not ... he is from the nearest garbage dump ... :)))
          3. Colonel
            Colonel 18 July 2013 15: 13 New
            +3
            Protoucr, would you go from our obscurantism to the EU, or something. There they will teach you everything, you will look and marry them out. And then you are so nonsense here and bear so much that inevitably a thought creeps in - either piecework, or brains are over.
            1. Protoucr
              Protoucr 18 July 2013 15: 19 New
              -2
              I am not interested in those topics, I certainly do not approve of them. But I clearly know that it is precisely those who are close to who scream most of all.
              “You yell a lot.” What?
          4. shutyai
            shutyai 18 July 2013 15: 24 New
            +3
            laughing laughing laughing Yes, everyone has heard about this adequacy.
            1. Protoucr
              Protoucr 18 July 2013 15: 46 New
              -2
              Definitely heard - on the program An-70, MAZ-MKZT, S-300 Iran, Il-76 China, etc. ...
              - You are traditionally not reliable partners, while hiding it - sculpt this label for everyone.
              1. shutyai
                shutyai 18 July 2013 16: 04 New
                +2
                And also heard about pi *** aces walking in parade along the main streets of European cities ...
                1. I am a Russian
                  I am a Russian 18 July 2013 16: 34 New
                  +3
                  Quote: shutyai
                  And also heard about pi *** aces walking in parade along the main streets of European cities ...


                  if Ukraine finally hides in * opera ... then in Kiev pi **** sars will march
          5. smile
            smile 18 July 2013 16: 40 New
            +1
            Protoucr
            Yes, you generally have nothing to do anywhere .... there is no place for you anywhere ... and nobody needs you but the enemies of our people and the Ukrainian people .... like that. scum of mankind ...
          6. Ulan
            Ulan 18 July 2013 17: 51 New
            +1
            Probably adequate time they do not let you on the threshold for 20 years.
          7. Axel
            Axel 18 July 2013 19: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: Protoucr
            Well, you have once again confirmed that in your obscurantism we have nothing to do. Only the EU, there are adequate people.

            Only the EU, we do not need the feudal system and cap-and-paper!
  21. Djozz
    Djozz 18 July 2013 15: 08 New
    +5
    YOU by chance, not a storyteller from Nikolaev, or are you hiding behind it, what of this Russian-speaking city?
    1. Protoucr
      Protoucr 18 July 2013 15: 20 New
      -4
      Nikolaev leaves the temporary Russification.
      1. Ulan
        Ulan 18 July 2013 16: 16 New
        +6
        We know, we know, now it will be called Mykolaev, because it was founded by a Ukrainian from Galicia-Mykola, and the city was named after him, and the masked oaths were changed.
        1. Net
          Net 18 July 2013 16: 33 New
          +3
          By the way, yes, it hurts the eye is Mykolayiv. Although according to the rules of the Ukrainian language, the only person with the name Nikolay, who is given the right to transcribe his name, and not translate as is customary in ukrov, is the Emperor Nikolai. It is all the more strange that the city is deprived of this right in his name. Artificial veal mov.
      2. Djozz
        Djozz 18 July 2013 16: 50 New
        +1
        Well, the "scumbag", the Slavs, drove us straight ahead, help us fight back, we’ll go to war.
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 18 July 2013 17: 54 New
          +2
          The funny thing is that we do not have the EU here. He yells, I want to go to the EU, but have pushed myself here. He probably wants to ask for something.
  • creak
    creak 18 July 2013 12: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: Gato
    In the case of detachments, it seems to me that the definition of osnaz is more suitable.

    The subdivisions and parts of the Special Forces and Special Economic Forces have never had anything to do with maintaining order and protecting the rear. They are intended, in general terms, for conducting radio intelligence and performing a number of other technical intelligence functions.
    1. Gato
      Gato 18 July 2013 12: 51 New
      0
      Quote: ranger
      The subdivisions and parts of the Special Forces and Special Economic Forces have never had anything to do with maintaining order and protecting the rear.

      Here you are mistaken.
      Here is an excerpt from an article about ODON OGPU (NKVD)
      SINCE 1937 A SEPARATE MOTOR Rifle DIVISION OF SPECIAL PURPOSE - OMDON NKVD USSR - 1937-1943 - Parts of the division participated in battles during the Soviet-Finnish conflict. With the outbreak of World War II, separate units of the division participated in the defense of Moscow. The remaining units guarded the important objects of the capital, carried out patrol service on the streets of the city, were involved in measures to eliminate reconnaissance sabotage groups in the frontline and in the city. In battles with German troops, snipers of the 4th cavalry regiment (then 4 motorized rifle) distinguished themselves. For the first business trip of two sniper teams of the regiment in 1942, they destroyed 853 German soldiers and officers.
      Since 1943, the 1st BRIDGE SHOOT DIVISION of the NKVD of the USSR - (1943-1955). In 1944, the 2nd OMSDON regiment was entrusted with the protection of government delegations of the USSR, the USA and Great Britain during the Yalta Conference of the Allies on the anti-Hitler coalition. From August 1943 to 1990, during public holidays, the artillery division of the division fired artillery salutes from the territory of the Moscow Kremlin. During 1944-1947 parts of the division participated in the elimination of the nationalist movement in Western Ukraine, repeatedly entered into clashes with units of the OUN - UPA. At the Victory Parade on June 24, 1945, soldiers of the 2nd regiment of the division were entrusted with the honor of carrying along Red Square and throwing enemy banners and standards at the foot of the Mausoleum.
      1. creak
        creak 18 July 2013 14: 31 New
        +1
        Look in the open press what are the functions of the Special Forces of the Soviet Army, and not the structures of the NKVD. The Army Special Forces Command, performs purely reconnaissance functions and it is unlawful to mix it with the NKVD troops, as these are different departments and completely different functions.
        1. Gato
          Gato 18 July 2013 14: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: ranger
          OCHNAZ of the Soviet Army

          We misunderstood each other. I had in mind the terminology of TOGO time, not the SA of a later period.
          And the term "special purpose" was not used then in the sense in which it is used now.
  • Protoucr
    Protoucr 18 July 2013 12: 41 New
    -10
    Good people, repent !!!
    “It is not possible to build a future on lies and praise of crimes.”
    1. Petergut
      Petergut 18 July 2013 12: 51 New
      +3
      Troll, my friend?
      1. Protoucr
        Protoucr 18 July 2013 13: 42 New
        -5
        They are trolls, because they have nothing to say.
        - They lie and troll.
        1. Gato
          Gato 18 July 2013 14: 39 New
          +5
          A carefully-minded troll needs no argument.
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 18 July 2013 15: 00 New
        +6
        Quote: Petergut
        Troll, my friend?

        In turn, with a free hand ... laughing
    2. shutyai
      shutyai 18 July 2013 13: 05 New
      +3
      Drive to yourself in Lviv and ask for the same ...
      1. Protoucr
        Protoucr 18 July 2013 13: 43 New
        -4
        You have a false thinking that someone is going to ask you what to do. So do not portray your imaginary significance. )
        1. shutyai
          shutyai 18 July 2013 14: 16 New
          +3
          Nothing, soon NATO will come to you. Here and heal ...)))))))
          1. Protoucr
            Protoucr 18 July 2013 14: 45 New
            -2
            Yes, we will be in NATO. There will be no participation in the CSTO profanity.

            http://odessactrs.livejournal.com/16358.html
            1. shutyai
              shutyai 18 July 2013 15: 28 New
              0
              Good luck !!! Maybe your opinion about some things will change.
    3. smile
      smile 18 July 2013 13: 53 New
      +1
      Protoucr
      We are people ... we are good ... and you are dumb, shabby, with a fascist stigma on your ass ... parasitic ..... non-human .... last
      one of those who led the Ukrainians to the line of survival ..... you are even disgusted to kick you for your lies ... nothing, Ukrainians themselves will be engaged in deratization at home if they want to live in a normal, strong state .... Good luck in a fascist dump . can find more scraps ...
      Generally. it’s strange to hear your squeak, because all your postulates are false. based on lies ... that's why you like there is no future ... no!
      1. Protoucr
        Protoucr 18 July 2013 14: 03 New
        -3
        It can be seen who they are - 20 years Glory to God by themselves. Where there is, and where there is nothing but a pipe to the shale era in the world ....
        - In this decade, we will count all the chickens.
    4. avt
      avt 18 July 2013 14: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: Protoucr
      Good people, repent !!!
      “It is not possible to build a future on lies and praise of crimes.”

      Wow, banderlog already decided to go to the priests! laughing Now we are with him and good people. laughing This is probably due to the fact that he’s sitting on the Internet, he can’t get like his ancestors are policemen — punishers who burned people in Khatyn alive in Belarus. Here, his teeth have not been knocked out yet and he is clapping about the future ,,, a friend "our bosom, grieves what he cannot grasp for an Adam's apple." laughing
      1. Protoucr
        Protoucr 18 July 2013 14: 38 New
        -5
        You are criminals.
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 18 July 2013 15: 01 New
        +6
        Quote: avt
        Banderlog already decided to go to the priests!

        He followed in the footsteps of his grandfather ...
        1. Protoucr
          Protoucr 18 July 2013 15: 14 New
          -4
          Fascist scum - my grandfather ended the war in Austria, after the liberation.
          - And your scum, has yet to be condemned.


          In fact, this is empty - your Horde-imperial myth is already cracking at the seams. It’s only now that it has begun to reach you — that you have overslept everything.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 18 July 2013 15: 25 New
            +7
            Quote: Protoucr
            Fascist scum

            Visit the site more often - there haven’t been such “near” clowns here yet.
            Noticed that not even minus?
            We will be bored ... fellow
            1. Ulan
              Ulan 18 July 2013 16: 18 New
              +5
              And you're right. This Bandera pimple is very useful. For many, the illusions about the Bandera and veterans of the SS division "Galicia" will be dispelled. You can understand what will happen to Ukraine if the likes come to power in it.
          2. avt
            avt 18 July 2013 16: 14 New
            +3
            Quote: Protoucr
            In fact, this is empty - your Horde-imperial myth is already cracking at the seams. It’s only now that it has begun to reach you — that you have overslept everything.

            Why are you that stupid laughing Here the campaigns do not pass and your orientation of the European choice will not be appreciated laughing You need to go somewhere on the gay website to train your anus for the general people before the Gayvrop choice, they will appreciate you, caress laughing .
    5. Igor39
      Igor39 18 July 2013 14: 58 New
      +2
      Why don’t you repent for the genocide of the Poles in Volhynia? They ask you to recognize the destruction of 100 thousand women, children and the elderly.
      1. Protoucr
        Protoucr 18 July 2013 15: 07 New
        -3
        The Polish invaders were just given a light there - thrusting them under Krakow itself.
        “It will be so with all our enemies.”
        1. I am a Russian
          I am a Russian 18 July 2013 16: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: Protoucr
          “It will be so with all our enemies.”


          Lie under all? yes that's right ... legs spread apart regularly ... like a pro from Red Fanari Street
    6. Djozz
      Djozz 18 July 2013 15: 17 New
      +3
      Well, right Father Fyodor!
  • washi
    washi 18 July 2013 13: 18 New
    +5
    In wartime, many peacetime commanders simply lost control of their troops, or abandoned troops (cases are described in the literature). And without control, there is nothing (modern conflicts have also shown this). The troops fled. Zagrad detachments from the mass of military personnel formed units and placed nearby. Knowing that there is someone to lean on, the runners already fought normally.
  • Kubanets
    Kubanets 18 July 2013 13: 49 New
    +8
    My Grandfather, Koshevets, Mikhail Ivanovich, fought in 108str div Zap Fronta. When attacking a height, three-quarters of the battalion fell. The commander of the division, General Teremov, arrived and shot the battalion commander for a mediocre and senseless attack. And not any detachments
  • Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 18 July 2013 14: 04 New
    0
    The first photo in the article is not a detachment =) I know all these people;)
  • Protoucr
    Protoucr 18 July 2013 14: 23 New
    -8
    It always amazes how people defend their own genocide of the people with their own Kremlin.

    - In truth, the Russians are ill with some kind of masochism. but at the same time they protect and take pride. There is no logic.
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 18 July 2013 14: 43 New
      +3
      The last of UNA-UNSO or Bandera? Or forgot how. a government that has become a gas crane adherent? A true Aryan, damn it ... You tell true patriotism to the true hohl, who cherishes his nonsense and cherishes. And it turns out (Russian) for you all sorts of Donbass and Motor Sich because of hatred gave.
      1. Protoucr
        Protoucr 18 July 2013 14: 52 New
        -4
        Who gave what?
        - The factories were built by Ukrainians, not the NKVD occupiers in leather peel and a Mauser in a holster. If you are so cool - why have only 20 years of talk and nothing built themselves? - So something is not as you dreamed of with you ...
        For 20 years you have nothing new, but we have. And your games with turning off the gas in the winter and slandering us have already begun for you. In which case, in just 3 years, Ukraine and Europe may not buy your gas at all. Your pseudo-economy pyramid collapses - you have nothing to offer anyone.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 18 July 2013 15: 15 New
          +6
          Quote: Protoucr
          in just 3 of the year Ukraine and Europe may not buy your gas at all

          "... hold on. The West will help you. He will give you parabellum ..." in the form of a pipe dream of shale gas.
          And tolerance for amateurs of pseudo-strawberries of all stripes ... laughing
          1. Protoucr
            Protoucr 18 July 2013 15: 31 New
            -3
            I understand that you have nothing to answer. As well as how to counteract this, Putin’s gas forum failed a month ago, there is no money for the South Stream, growth in deliveries from other countries to Europe is growing, etc. The mass output of shale gas in 2016, from 2018 - shale oil.
            - And your Putinomica pipe collapses house of cards. And this has already begun with you - and there is nothing you can do about it.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 18 July 2013 15: 39 New
              +5
              Quote: Protoucr
              The mass output of shale gas in 2016, from 2018 - shale oil.

              And from 2020 shale gold is expected wassat With a lip rolled neatly, they can come. In the real year, by 2017-2019 (depending on the intensity of development), mass emissions of all rubbish (washed from the depths with a solution) can go, so it’s not worth counting the profits, but thinking about where to resettle people from environmental disaster zones ...
              1. avt
                avt 18 July 2013 16: 18 New
                +7
                Quote: Misantrop
                And from 2020 shale gold is expected

                No, first, shale fat for fear of the Poles. laughing
                1. shutyai
                  shutyai 18 July 2013 16: 25 New
                  +1
                  laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
                  He laughed heartily !!! goodThank you!
            2. akreworpa
              akreworpa 18 July 2013 18: 01 New
              +1
              Guys, he's really a zapadent. Do not offend him. They apparently washed their brains so much that they really believe in all this.
  • Djozz
    Djozz 18 July 2013 14: 48 New
    +3
    Off topic. Strange people, these Estonians, ETOGES must think of calling their capital in honor of the occupiers of Tallinn-Dallin-Danish! Apparently they have the type of humor, they say to hell with your predatory muzzles "spite you frostbitten ears" Pysy. One of the first to introduce the likeness of foreign detachments Frederick the "great" saying "Prussian brave soldier should be more afraid of the corporal's stick than the enemy's bayonet"
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 18 July 2013 15: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Djozz
      Strange people, these Estonians, ETOGES must think of calling their capital in honor of the occupiers of Tallinn-Dallin-Danish!
      So this is not their city, they did not call it. They were not allowed to go to the city limits until the 20th century, especially in Toompea (the upper city) lol
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 18 July 2013 16: 56 New
        +1
        So they will not rename Shozh, they have become terribly independent.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 18 July 2013 17: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: Djozz
          So shozh will not be renamed

          The hosts may be offended laughing In addition, they still renamed. Was tallyнbecame tallynnrate the difference laughing
    2. avt
      avt 18 July 2013 16: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: Djozz
      It’s necessary to think of name your capital in honor of the occupiers of Tallinn-Dallin-Danish!

      Shame on my friend, just ayah real! laughing Bukov wrote a little! The town has been spelled Tallinn since hunchback times. Here they are for the humiliation of the capital. am laughing
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 18 July 2013 17: 22 New
        +2
        I repent, I will be more careful in advance, even a great nation, can award 3 years of execution with pickles. Where to throw compensation for moral damage.
  • alex-cn
    alex-cn 18 July 2013 17: 13 New
    +1
    guys - well, so you don’t see what- the person is sick ... call someone a team, let the experts deal with him
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    2. Djozz
      Djozz 18 July 2013 17: 24 New
      +1
      Write him a bucket of castor oil. Dr. Pilyulkin.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 18 July 2013 17: 39 New
    +2
    It is very simple and easy to discuss the orders of the High Command, in an apartment with air conditioning, when in the courtyard 21 century, does not drip on his head and does not blow to the side. Ukrainians about sore, about gas, the Baltic states about grievances. And they even joke about this topic. It is sad to read such comments. Thank you Kuban, told the bitter, but fair truth of that terrible war. Dear comrade, I put you a huge plus! For the truth. The rest is all sussing and muffling. Respect the memory of our grandfathers and fathers who gave their lives for us. Kalyakaya and Malyakaya on this site, remember those who, through their lives, gave us such an opportunity to communicate ...
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 18 July 2013 17: 55 New
      +2
      You look at the proto-Ukrainian commets, and then tell us to joke with us or to be indignant at this nonsense! Krasnodar.
      1. Alew
        Alew 18 July 2013 18: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: Djozz
        You look at the proto

        This one month received more than 4000 in the red. and so it’s clear from what trolleybus park it is
        1. psv910
          psv910 18 July 2013 20: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: ALEW
          This one month received more than 4000 in the red.


          What month? In 6 hours!


          Protoucr Negative Rating

          Full name: Sasha [Add to the black list]
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          Last Visited: Jul 18, 2013 18:19 pm

          Records breaks. Yes, the enemy is strong. How interesting is he getting paid?
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  • sichevik
    sichevik 18 July 2013 19: 47 New
    +1
    Comrades forum users !!! Well, didn’t you understand that protoucr is the most ordinary troll. Do not get fooled by provocations. Ignore him. Or just blacklist it all. Do not waste your time on all his morons. He just jokes on everyone.
  • psv910
    psv910 18 July 2013 20: 58 New
    +1
    From the stories of his grandfather who ended the war in Vienna with the rank of Art. lieutenant, and in 1943 he spent 1,5 months in captivity and escaped, who was tested in the penal company and awarded the Order of the Red Star for crossing the Dnieper, I confirm: there were detachments, and if necessary, they shot, and not only into the air. For each penal company went a detachment. And taking into account who got into the penal units, and there were everyone there, including criminals, looters, deserters and cowards, there was a need for detachments.
  • Day 11
    Day 11 18 July 2013 21: 07 New
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    Once, once, once. Check. This is for yourself, men. Do not pay attention. I don’t get anything, what the garbage climbs in a separate window
  • bublic82009
    bublic82009 19 July 2013 00: 23 New
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    here Americans well done, even losing historical events make heroic. and we are all trying to crap. What kind of elite do we have in our country?
  • kukara4an
    kukara4an 21 July 2013 20: 54 New
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    “Gu-ha,” “Shtrafbat,” and so on, formed a negative image of detachment detachments, as a result, many, not realizing what was happening, treat them negatively.
  • misanthrope_2
    misanthrope_2 28 October 2019 10: 00 New
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    like these scum, false historians hate the country how much dirt and slop poured on our fathers and grandfathers. perverted everything that is possible and impossible. they made some 1001 tales from Soviet history, a horror movie, and these are mostly children and grandchildren of those who ate and during the war and then drank sweetly and drank sweetly. People are not the last in the state. why so much hatred and charity for their own country?