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Erdogan is ready to blow up the Turkish national shrine to create an excuse to attack Syria

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Erdogan is ready to blow up the Turkish national shrine to create an excuse to attack Syria



An unprecedented scandal erupted in Turkey, threatening to escalate into a sharp political crisis. Prime Minister R. Erdogan got so involved with the plans to invade Syria that he was ready to make provocation, unheard of cynicism and perfidy, in order to get an excuse for an attack. It was supposed to organize an explosion in the depths of the Syrian territory of the Turkish monument located there stories - the graves of Suleiman Shah - the grandfather of the Ottoman Empire founder Osman I. Evidence for the existence of such plans were audio tapes of a secret meeting of Turkish leaders posted on social networks ... The government did not even try to challenge their authenticity, but only showed extreme dissatisfaction with the appearance of revealing records and makes attempts to limit them online distribution. The opposition has already demanded the resignation of Erdogan. Repulsed by the military, he received a good opportunity to attack the prime minister.

The tomb of Suleiman Shah as an object for the terrorist attack was not chosen by chance. According to the agreement between France and Turkey, the territory of the tomb (area around 1921 hectare) located in the depths of Syrian territory near the village of Karakozak (Karakozak) has the status of a Turkish exclave from 0,8. Above it, the national flags of Turkey are raised, there is a Turkish honor guard numbering up to a platoon of soldiers. 5 August 2013 Mr. Erdogan announced that Turkey will perceive "any attack on the area as an aggression against it" and even against the "zone of responsibility of NATO." According to Erdogan, "everyone knows what the debt tells us in such cases."

And now, apparently, in Ankara it was considered that the time had come not to wait for the pretext anymore, but to create it ourselves. This was spurred on by the increasing military successes of Bashar Assad. According to audio recordings, March 13 with. At the initiative of Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmed Davutoglu, he met with the head of the Foreign Ministry’s secretariat, Feridin Sinirlioglu, deputy head of the General Staff of the Turkish Armed Forces, Yashar Güler, and the head of the Turkish national intelligence, Hakan Fidan. During the conversation, Davutoglu explicitly stated that, in Erdogan’s opinion, the organization of an attack on the tomb of Suleiman Shah would be a “useful opportunity” in the current situation. Fidan, on behalf of intelligence, noted that this would be easy, for example, by means of an explosion. As another “useful” idea, he announced the possibility of sending four of his men to Syria from Turkey, who “would fire at some desert area on the Turkish territory of 8 with rockets” and thus also give rise to an attack. The paradox is that the location of the tomb is controlled by the militants of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (IGIS) associated with Al-Qaeda, and it was the fight against them that was proposed to be made the main pretext for the invasion, because “it will support the international community.” The main attack was planned to be launched against the government army, explaining that it allegedly cooperated with IGIS. The “explanation” is ridiculous, but the main thing is to “legally” invade the territory of Syria.

Davutoglu compared the scope of the planned operation with the introduction of troops into Northern Iraq. He also made it clear that US Secretary of State Kerry supported the Turkish intervention, but only asked to find the most plausible excuse for her. So they found - an explosion of their own shrines ... Davutoglu also complained that the Turks did not enter Syria in 2012, "when Damascus was the weakest, almost like Libya." It is noteworthy that of all the participants in the meeting, the representative of the military, Guler, who did not refuse to continue supplying the Syrian rebels, showed the greatest restraint. weapons and ammunition, but indicating that the entry into the territory of Syria of the Turkish army would be tantamount to declaring war on it.

It is also obvious that the offensive of the radical militants in the Syrian province of Lattakia, which began a few days ago from the territory of Turkey with the support of its army, should have served as a prelude to the planned provocation. However, now after the promulgation of the intentions of the Turkish leadership, the completion of the operation becomes difficult. Israeli sources report that at the moment Erdogan insists on continuing to advance in Latakia, while the Chief of General Staff objects to this.

In his public speeches about the appearance of disclosing audio recordings, Erdogan is unable to conceal extreme irritation, shouts about national betrayal and demands to punish those responsible. Exposure journalist Önder Aytaç has been detained. He is accused not of recording information, but of the fact that he was the first to comment on it. The former head of the Turkish Police Intelligence Directorate Ali Fuat Yılmazer (Ali Fuat Yılmazer), who previously led the units that installed the wiretap even in a protected room, and sharply opposed Erdogan, was also arrested. In Turkey, access to YouTube and Twitter is closed to prevent the distribution of audio recordings, but this only aroused interest in them and sparked protests in the community. President Gul 28 March condemned the very appearance of the record as an “espionage act” and took the participants in the scandalous meeting under protection, saying that he “personally asked them to discuss all possible scenarios.” Davutoglu announced the posting of a “cyber attack against the Turkish government” equivalent to a “declaration of war”. That is, not talking about how to provoke a war, but their publicity, it turns out, leads to a military conflict. That is the logic of neo-Ottomanism.

The government is looking for perpetrators of a leak in the ranks of its main opponents - the Hizmet movement F. Gulen and among retired generals and officers. However, many analysts believe that this is beyond their power. Some even allow the intervention of foreign intelligence services, especially Iranian and Syrian. It is not excluded that the Turkish military are behind the publication of the record. It is easy to see that only the non-partisan Deputy Chief of the General Staff Yashar Güler showed hesitation and unwillingness to invade Syria from the participants in the conversation. The army, known for its secular traditions, apparently does not really want to directly intervene in the Syrian conflict on the side of the Islamists. In addition, with the publicity of this record, Erdogan’s numerous enemies in the officer-general’s corps, much of which (about 400 people) he had imprisoned during his reign in prison, including in the high-profile Ergenekon case, a powerful weapon against the prime minister. With such a weapon, it is possible to achieve the displacement of Erdogan on charges of anti-constitutional activities and illegal involvement of the country in the war. This is not about the prestige of the Prime Minister, but about his “head”.

Turkish media write that no matter how the government justifies itself, one thing is obvious: "it was going to involve the country in a war on the basis of fabricated evidence."

The leader of the opposition Republican People’s Party of Turkey, Kemal Kilicdaroglu, stated that these records revealed “a worse scam than Watergate”. Erdogan must resign immediately. The provocation with the tomb of Suleiman Shah and the game of "cat and mouse" with "Al Qaeda" are necessary for Erdogan to start a war with Syria, with the help of which he hopes to solve his own problems connected with accusing him of financial abuses.

According to First Deputy Prime Minister Gursel Tekin (Gürsel Tekin), on the basis of the combination of actions in Syria and on the basis of this conversation, Erdogan and his associates may be declared "war criminals."

The former Turkish ambassador, Deniz Bölükbaşı, draws attention to the "low intellectual level" of the statements of the highest state dignitaries, arguing that "random people in the village tavern would have smarted about these things more intelligently."

The question remains, will Turkey dare to invade Syria against the background of the outbreak of scandal? On a large scale, most likely not. On the whole, it seems that a diversionary strike is planned in the north, while the main one still threatens Damascus from the south, from Jordan. However, for the Syrian command, which has demonstrated a greater depth of strategic thinking than the enemy, this is also not a secret.

No bad luck Syria. At first President M. Mursi, who had broken off diplomatic relations with her, was overthrown in Egypt. Now Erdogan reeled. Who is next? Jordanian King Abdullah II or US President Obama?
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  1. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz April 1 2014 15: 04
    +25
    Fucking Erdogan. Where the hell does it go crazy. We'll politely answer! angry
    1. aksakal
      aksakal April 1 2014 15: 10
      +16
      Something I doubt that the Syrian intelligence worked. Or the Jews. for whom the invasion of Syria by Turkey for unknown reasons is useless (although why it is incomprehensible? Probably they themselves have put their eyes on Syria), or the Russians, who now seemingly deliberately do not comment on the leak, allowing the situation to develop itself laughing I think this is the work of strong intelligence.
      1. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz April 1 2014 15: 15
        +6
        Aksakal! Ts-s-s. Do not voice military secrets!
      2. svetlomor
        svetlomor April 1 2014 15: 21
        +19
        Recently, there have been many leaks in favor of Russia or its allies, it is time for the FSB to rename it back to the KGB, which they will not survive.
      3. smile
        smile April 1 2014 15: 27
        +8
        aksakal
        Yes, these are strong intelligence actions - considering. that the Turkish government did not try to pretend that it was a fake; the proof was very serious.
        But even guessing the "author" is difficult here. Even weak countries can have quite serious intelligence. For example, Polish intelligence in 39 was quite successful, on its account a lot of successful operations, defenses posed a serious threat to "competitors" ... even though they miscalculated with Germany.
      4. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat April 1 2014 21: 34
        +3
        Quote: aksakal
        Something I doubt that the Syrian intelligence worked. Or the Jews. for whom the invasion of Syria by Turkey for unknown reasons is useless ...

        The reason is understandable as a clear day - We were DAMAGED that all and sundry are trying to fasten us to the Syrian garbage and use it as a scarecrow in their interests.
        Jihadists howl that we feed Assad, Assad howls that jihadists.
        We treat Syrians - accomplices of terrorists, we do not treat - soulless bastards.
        We shoot back from jihadists - "Ahh! The revolution is in danger!" We shoot back from Hezbollah - "Aah! An attempt on the life of Saint Assad!"
        BLESSED! Assad in the furnace, Erdogan in the furnace, jihadists with Hezbaloids in the furnace !!! We want SILENCE ON THE NORTH BORDER !!!
        am
        1. alone
          alone April 1 2014 22: 02
          +2
          Quote: And Us Rat
          The reason is understandable as a clear day - We were DAMAGED that all and sundry are trying to fasten us to the Syrian garbage and use it as a scarecrow in their interests.
          Jihadists howl that we feed Assad, Assad howls that jihadists.
          We treat Syrians - accomplices of terrorists, we do not treat - soulless bastards.
          We shoot back from jihadists - "Ahh! The revolution is in danger!" We shoot back from Hezbollah - "Aah! An attempt on the life of Saint Assad!"
          BLESSED! Assad in the furnace, Erdogan in the furnace, jihadists with Hezbaloids in the furnace !!! We want SILENCE ON THE NORTH BORDER !!!


          You forgot the main thing- Israel has long been to blame for everything on this site. Even if the cow doesn’t give milk to grandmother Maria Petrovna)) wassat
          1. smile
            smile April 1 2014 22: 34
            +1
            alone
            Hello.
            And here I have to strongly disagree with you. On the site, on the contrary, there were much fewer idiots worried about the participation of Jews in the occurrence of problems with water supply. :))) And it pleases. About a year and a half ago, this was much worse.
            1. alone
              alone April 2 2014 23: 09
              0
              Quote: smile
              And here I have to strongly disagree with you. On the site, on the contrary, there were much fewer idiots worried about the participation of Jews in the occurrence of problems with water supply. :))) And it pleases. About a year and a half ago, this was much worse.

              But there were whole battalions of gorlopans and cheers, and schoolchildren in bulk)) so that some were replaced by others. And the quality decreased. The number of professionals is getting smaller and smaller.
        2. Net
          Net April 1 2014 22: 25
          +4
          Everything is simple for us too. At first you say that you are defending yourself against terrorists, but for some reason you are bombing only Syrian troops. Why not strike at the terrorist bases in Turkey and Jordan, why does the all-powerful Jewish lobby in the United States not advocate the termination of financial and military assistance to terrorists? What kind of double standards? In my opinion, your country does not have sufficient reasons for an open war with Assad, with whom, after all, the world has been for a long time, you want to destroy Syria with the hands of "rebels" who, after their victory, immediately, together with Turkey and the beloved ally of the United States, declare terrorists. further according to the knurled scheme, everyone will receive their dividends in the form of territories. How do you like this option?
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat April 1 2014 23: 16
            0
            Quote: Netto
            In my opinion, your country does not have sufficient reasons for an open war with Assad, with whom, after all, the world has been for a long time, you want to destroy Syria with the hands of "rebels" who, after their victory, immediately, together with Turkey and the beloved ally of the United States, declare terrorists. further according to the knurled scheme, everyone will receive their dividends in the form of territories. How do you like this option?

            Have you written yourself into the ultimate truth? Now you will decide for us what we want and what we don’t want? Well, how do you differ from the YUSAv agitators who scream that "bloodthirsty Russia is an evil empire"? I will answer - nothing, you are the same, liars and provocateurs.
            We need only one thing from Syria - to get rid of us, and put a muzzle on the hizbaloids on their territory, and stop feeding the terrorists, and even better - stop dancing to the tune of the fascist mullocrates.
            Let them just pretend that we are not there, and there is a vacuum behind the border fence - this will quite suit us.
            And about the allies ... you are behind the times, and poorly read objective news ... I will give a hint - China, Google to help.
            1. Net
              Net April 1 2014 23: 42
              +2
              I just assumed based on obvious facts. And they only say that your absolutely righteous anger and censure against terrorists immediately ends when it comes to the fact that your allies support the same terrorists financially and militarily. And apparently I'm right, because if Iran delivered weapons to these terrorists, Israel would not be silent to say the least. And then silence. So I asked. I did not understand about China.
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat April 2 2014 02: 14
                +1
                Quote: Netto
                I just assumed based on obvious facts. And they only say that your absolutely righteous anger and censure against terrorists immediately ends when it comes to the fact that your allies support the same terrorists financially and militarily. And apparently I'm right, because if Iran delivered weapons to these terrorists, Israel would not be silent to say the least. And then silence. So I asked. I did not understand about China.

                Sauds are not our allies, we do not have a peace treaty, there are no elementary diplomatic relations, and the forced occasional secret assistance of special services (purely on the Iranian issue) does not even make us friends, but you are talking about alliance. We don’t touch the Saudis because they don’t touch us - that’s the whole situation, they’ve touched - they will grab it, we’ve already passed it. request
                About China ... for the lazy
                Africa is convinced: Russia is returning not only to the Crimea

                Py.Sy. - the other day I found out that UnionPay was let into our banking sector, and Mastercard and Visa began to seriously lose ground. And the YUSavsky headquarters is coming here to suck up so that they are not exchanged for the Chinese (China will invest tens of billions in our economy and will hardly hide it that they plan to push USAA out of the place of our main strategic partner, and the Chinese never retreat, they speak little and know how to patiently bend their line with a quiet glanders)

        3. smile
          smile April 1 2014 22: 30
          +2
          And Us Rat
          Well, Duc, you have such a job, working as a scarecrow :))) In BV you are the strongest country, and you and I fought with half of those involved there. :)))) Paraphrasing the well-known pearl - Well, it’s not the same thing as that! :)))
          Okay, but seriously, I’m understanding some of your actions and I can’t help but tell you (forgive me) - you are also not completely white there - I mean airstrikes by unidentified planes at objects controlled by the Syrian government - now, when it poses no threat to you.
          Wouldn’t an attempt to come to an agreement with the Syrians now be more productive for the subsequent improvement of interstate relations than bombing strikes?
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat April 1 2014 23: 01
            0
            Quote: smile
            And Us Rat
            Well, Duc, you have such a job, working as a scarecrow :))) In BV you are the strongest country, and you and I fought with half of those involved there. :)))) Paraphrasing the well-known pearl - Well, it’s not the same thing as that! :)))
            Okay, but seriously, I’m understanding some of your actions and I can’t help but tell you (forgive me) - you are also not completely white there - I mean airstrikes by unidentified planes at objects controlled by the Syrian government - now, when it poses no threat to you.
            Wouldn’t an attempt to come to an agreement with the Syrians now be more productive for the subsequent improvement of interstate relations than bombing strikes?

            There would be someone to negotiate with, Syria is a puppet of Iran, and for Iran, Israel is the best justification for promoting oneself to the position of the dominant force in the BV (read the king of the hill, whose control over the region will force the major powers to do business in the BV only through him) and the main obstacle ... Note, even the Saud resigned themselves to the fact that they would always be second and gave Egypt and Jordan the go-ahead for peace with Israel. But Iran has rested its horn, the funny thing is that there would be no Saudis, Iran would most likely have made a compromise, the same problem is in the Iranian mullocracy, they, like Hitler, once needed the image of an "external enemy" to hold power in the country.

            And about the bombing - the Syrians got brainwashed for assisting the Hizbaloids in terrorist activities against Israel, because they weren't, by the way, they were warned two hundred times - but an order came from Iran and they caved in, but the Mullocrats don't care, for them the Syrians are cannon fodder, like the Hizbaloids in principle, this is all - big business, the more he dies jumping on the Israeli fence, the tighter the carmines of their owners are filled, Arafat alone earned about ten billion dollars on the "fight against Israel", in his personal pocket, Nasrallah and his gang of close ones act on the same pattern.
            1. smile
              smile April 1 2014 23: 55
              +3
              And Us Rat
              Well, yes, before Persia fought for the region with Turkey. Now the Saudis have also come into play (I’m silent about the hell Americans) ... and all of them, solving their tasks, scare each other ... :))) Jordan, by the way, in my opinion, a long time ago I found a common language with you, despite the fact that at one time I also had a fight with you.
              To be honest, Iran for me currently looks much preferable to the Wahhabi, in fact religious-fascist Saudi Arabia ... after all, no matter what they say about Iran, with all the squabbles with it and "little Satan" - the Saudis are much worse and more dangerous in general for everyone around .... not just for us.

              Regarding the fact that Syria - the puppet of Iran - is far from certain. The fact is that Syria was pushed to Iran by pressure on it, it had nowhere to go. Earlier, when we were not in good relations with Iran, when Iran, being no better than modern, was good, as it was friends with the Americans, Syria was not as connected with it as it is now. So, I guess. it would be possible to agree with Syria .... and let Turkey, Iran and the Saudis find out which of them is cooler ... but no zhezh, some want to get in there .... but it turns out that we are simply obliged to support Iran, so that another state that would not be too hostile to us appears .... such stupid things ...

              Well, I don’t want to discuss the bombing - I don’t have enough reliable information, and the opinion that if Syria had been calm for the Israeli flank, for example, if you didn’t help Turkey, you would not come to an agreement with the Saudis (and yours colleagues talked about this here), if you didn’t execute the Washington team, it would hardly have come to you - it’s ... I repeat, in such a critical situation for Syria, in my opinion, Israel could agree on a lot, put pressure on something and something where to give in ... and an analogue of Jordan might appear .... the truth is you have a stumbling block - the Gollans - the Syrians cannot refuse them, but you do not want ...

              Why, sad all this, okay, let's forget, huh? :)))
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat April 2 2014 02: 46
                0
                Quote: smile
                do not execute the command of Washington ...

                I can’t leave this without attention.
                I will say briefly and bluntly - the main headache of YSA is that Israel does not know how to "execute commands", it "turns on the horns" for any pressure, and you see, it has the audacity to have its own position on any issue (remember Israel's position on Chechnya in spite of the entire West 08.08.08 - blocking the arms tap for rodents on the first day of the conflict despite the screams of YUSA, unwillingness to sing along in Crimea, the list is endless), and they have to beg, bargain and persuade any thing, the whole trick is that Israel has never de facto given YUSA levers of influence on themselves, in contrast to the Europeans, whatever they say. And it enrages them, which is why the tyrant Obamka tried to drain Israel.
                Israel has a powerful shadow counterweight - the PRC, it is not customary to talk about it, but it is so, the USA are panicky afraid of the technological alliance between Israel and the PRC, especially in the military-industrial complex (the de facto economic alliance has already taken place). And that is why the tyrant Obama, sober heads in Washington do not allow Israel to merge.
                By the way, the Chinese almost do not hide their claims to the role of Israel's "main friend" and strategic partner. Need to explain why?
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 April 1 2014 15: 42
      +5
      Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
      .Where it goes abnormal. We will politely answer!
      Do not inform us how we can answer suppose the start of hostilities in Turkey in Syria?
      1. Maxim90
        Maxim90 April 1 2014 16: 07
        -6
        Here is what we will answer them:
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 April 1 2014 16: 19
          +6
          Quote: Maxim90
          Here is what we will answer them:
          Remove the pimple from the face of an Internet wrestler. She answered, damn it, a picture exhibitor.
          1. Z.A.M.
            Z.A.M. April 1 2014 22: 49
            0
            Quote: baltika-18
            Remove the pimple from the face of an Internet wrestler. She answered, damn it, a picture exhibitor.


            Nikolay! They answered simply brilliantly. Laughed. wink
            In! good
            As you wrote earlier, so much aboutUnified State Examinationshennykh ... people-demators ...

            How are you are right... Bitter, insulting and ... that? ..

            "Maidanutykh", with the current education, there is enough (not over the edge?) and here, in Russia ...

            To think - t i w to ...
        2. svp67
          svp67 April 1 2014 18: 53
          +3
          Quote: Maxim90
          Here is what we will answer them:

          It’s better to provide assistance to Syria ...
        3. washi
          washi April 1 2014 18: 55
          +3
          Quote: Maxim90
          Here is what we will answer them:

          What for?
          Deny a visit to Turkey and all ......
          We have Sochi, Crimea, Primorsky Territory, Kamchatka, etc.
          The service may not be the same (not used to bending), but there are much more impressions
          1. smile
            smile April 1 2014 19: 28
            +5
            washi
            Well, ban, of course, is not worth it. but to conduct an appropriate propaganda campaign is necessary. Moreover, nothing needs to be invented - just inform. how a significant part of the Turkish comrades feel about us, there are, some even speak out on this site, such as Comrade Yeraz, who believes that Bandera is a fighter for the freedom of Ukraine from us occupiers, and we are a cowardly flock that is afraid of Turks and Azerbaijanis , like fire, at the household level too. :))) Yeah, we also enslave everyone, especially the Caucasus, and destroy the civilian population there. including using carpet bombing. The villains are cowardly, in general. :))) And he is not the only one who says it even here. Given that these speakers were not pulled by his compatriots from the site, their opinion is very common in Turkey. I guess. many. knowing the opinion of the Turks about themselves and Russophobia being pumped there, they won’t go there.
            If anyone really needs to go abroad, you can hit the road to Croatia, Greece or Spain - for about the price it’s similar, but it’s much more interesting there than in Turkey — you just don’t need to die for historical places.
          2. Darek
            Darek April 1 2014 19: 53
            +1
            Quote: Vasya
            Deny a visit to Turkey and all .....


            Do you want to see the Turkish Maidan for joining Russia?
      2. scientist
        scientist April 1 2014 16: 39
        +3
        Quote: baltika-18
        Do not inform us how we can answer suppose the start of hostilities in Turkey in Syria?

        And another interesting point, if the aggression was not committed against a NATO member country, but rather, one of the NATO countries declares war and invades someone else’s territory. Should the rest of the NATO countries support it, or Russia and China can take Turkish troops by the scruff of their neck and throw them out of Syria. If this is possible, then the logic of deploying the Tu-22M3 base in the Crimea is very clear.
        1. Denis 60 rus
          Denis 60 rus April 1 2014 22: 34
          0
          In various ways (preferably Economic) ......
        2. Denis 60 rus
          Denis 60 rus April 1 2014 22: 34
          0
          In various ways (preferably Economic) ......
      3. CTEPX
        CTEPX April 1 2014 17: 54
        0
        Quote: baltika-18
        Do not inform us how we can answer suppose the start of hostilities in Turkey in Syria?

        Perhaps the leak is agreed with Erdogan?))
        1. schizophrenic
          schizophrenic April 1 2014 19: 35
          0
          Quote: ctepx
          Perhaps the leak is agreed with Erdogan?))

          I also think when one side is pressing and you need to get out, because before that I did not notice such leaks.
    3. Siberian19
      Siberian19 April 1 2014 16: 33
      +12
      АASSAD ALREADY RESPONSIBLE! In the province of Latakia, the Syrian army launched a full-scale anti-terrorist special operation aimed at destroying radical Islamist bandits that invaded Turkey. A large military contingent arrived in the combat zone early in the morning, including units that had previously successfully completed military operations in other mountainous regions of the country. According to reports, the losses of militants (excluding the results of the day on March 31) from the start of the fighting in Kasaba reached 2700 killed and 5635 wounded.
      1. Siberia 9444
        Siberia 9444 April 1 2014 17: 03
        +6
        Here it is withered! wink
      2. alone
        alone April 1 2014 20: 33
        +1
        Quote: Siberian19
        According to available information, the losses of militants (without taking into account the results of the day on March 31) from the beginning of the fighting in the Kasaba region reached 2700 killed and 5635 wounded.

        laughing More than one opposition group does not have as many people in one direction. I can even argue that. The trump card of militants is mobility and surprise. With such a mass of infantry and equipment, both of these factors lose their meaning. You can write anything. Once you analyze Iranian reports Iraqi, I was shocked. It turned out that, judging by the reports of Iran and Iraq, they both destroyed each other 70% of the population))) these figures are taken from the ceiling.
    4. timer
      timer April 1 2014 20: 52
      +2
      First, we have already partly responded by deploying "strategists" in the Crimea.
      Secondly, the Turks seem to have gone too far, and they need to be besieged. How to besiege? 1) informational, political, military-technical support of Syria
      2) by the hands of moderate (in the political plan) enemies of Erdogan to dismiss the head of the country and the arrival of new healthy forces.
      3) politics and the economy go side by side - vote in rubles against Turkey and in Crimea, Sochi, Krasnodar Territory, etc.
      1. Siberian19
        Siberian19 April 1 2014 22: 04
        +2
        and all Russians are not naked in Turkey! Bikot to announce!
    5. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat April 1 2014 21: 22
      +2
      Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
      Fucking Erdogan. Where the hell does it go crazy. We'll politely answer! angry

      Erdogan's soap am
  2. VengefulRat
    VengefulRat April 1 2014 15: 09
    +9
    No bad luck Syria. At first President M. Mursi, who had broken off diplomatic relations with her, was overthrown in Egypt. Now Erdogan reeled. Who is next? Jordanian King Abdullah II or US President Obama?

    Obama still benefits laughing . Crimea helped to return to their homeland, also contributed to the wave of patriotism. Let it work for the good laughing. And the whole world is already chuckling at this Peace Prize laureate.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 April 1 2014 15: 46
      +6
      Quote: VengefulRat
      Crimea helped return to their homeland, also contributed to the wave of patriotism
      The wave of patriotism will subside, just like any other wave. And the Crimean Gambit is really not going anywhere, the process has begun.
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX April 1 2014 17: 57
        +1
        Quote: baltika-18
        The wave of patriotism will subside, like any wave.

        Foam will subside)). Patriotism is a little stronger. And this is a lot)).
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru April 1 2014 18: 12
          +1
          Quote: ctepx
          .Patriotism a little hardened.

          ...get stronger. Shorter and clearer.
          1. CTEPX
            CTEPX April 1 2014 19: 33
            0
            Quote: ctepx
            ruffles

            Quote: 11111mail.ru
            ... get stronger

            Strengthens - tastier)). Yes, and - or rather)).
    2. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK April 1 2014 18: 22
      +1
      Offended and offended by a lot of firewood can break.
    3. Stalnov I.P.
      Stalnov I.P. April 1 2014 19: 30
      0
      Let him work, now he’ll think about it, call Putin, agree, then we’ll take some other territory, the true HERO of RUSSIA, Ilya Muromets in dried form, he will do this for two years, we’ll have to set up a bronze monument, you’re our curly-haired boy. fuck.
  3. buzuke
    buzuke April 1 2014 15: 09
    +3
    something he completely lost the pedals
  4. Gagarin
    Gagarin April 1 2014 15: 09
    +2
    Intrigues with a batch from the USA, they urgently need a change to Erdogan, I think the next Nemtsov has already been prepared.
  5. chuma_velikiy
    chuma_velikiy April 1 2014 15: 11
    +2
    ... Judah .... from where so many of you .....
  6. Gagarin
    Gagarin April 1 2014 15: 16
    +2
    No, we still need Obama, we haven’t returned Alaska yet.
    Quote: chuma_velikiy
    Who is next? Jordanian King Abdullah II or US President Obama?
  7. rasputin17
    rasputin17 April 1 2014 15: 17
    +5
    Turkish media write that no matter how the government justifies itself, one thing is obvious: "it was going to involve the country in a war on the basis of fabricated evidence."


    The proven method is already September 11th !! Under this pretext, the war in Iraq and Afghanistan has already begun !! They could not come up with anything new !!!
  8. mig31
    mig31 April 1 2014 15: 18
    +5
    One must be prepared for retaliatory measures by both Syria and Russia, this is not a joke ...
  9. smile
    smile April 1 2014 15: 19
    +11
    Hmm, while reading the article, at first I thought that it might be a duck ... but after reading up to the moment when the current authorities actually recognized the facts in Turkey, only outraged by the way they were exposed ... Involuntarily I have to admit that Turkey’s biggest enemy at the moment, her prime.
    Taking into account the ambiguous plans of the United States regarding Turkey - there is an opinion, both in Turkey and outside it, that the United States plans to subsequently dismember this country, in fact, Erdogan's actions can be regarded as preparatory work ... albeit unconscious. And his course towards "Ottomanism" is a direct path to defeat. It will burst, and the country will ruin ... if the sane part of Turkish society does not stop him.
    Comrades, fellow Turks, do you think that maybe it’s time for Turkey to stop focusing on the United States and start making friends with us? After all, always, when we had good relations, both countries only benefited from this - remember how we helped you beat the French who tried to dismember Turkey, how you helped Kemal Atatürk ... really Turkey won less from this than when we fought with us ?
    1. cozy
      cozy April 1 2014 15: 56
      +2
      For a full friendship with us, they must first recognize the genocide of the Armenians 100 years ago. It is fundamentally.
      1. scientist
        scientist April 1 2014 17: 04
        +4
        At the expense of the Armenian genocide, in the first place it’s old, in the second place it’s their own fault, when the Armenian soldiers entered the territory of Turkey under Russian banners, then genocide, violence and looting of the local population began there. Russian officers tried to stop the Armenian soldiers, but could not, many simply tied. Then Turkish troops drove out the Russian army. All captured Russian officers were sent to Russia, but the Armenians were not forgiven for their lawlessness on Turkish territory. Therefore, the Armenian genocide was revenge for the similar actions of Armenian soldiers on Turkish territory.
        Something like this. This of course does not justify not one of the parties, but to artificially heat up baseless and old hatred is simply stupid. One must be able to forgive mutual insults and learn to build new relationships. For example, Turkey is denied EU membership and Erdagon is not averse to joining the Customs Union, as Nazarbayev stated. Why not. Maybe the situation with Syria would be resolved much faster, and the missile carriers in the Crimea would be useful in other more important and dangerous directions.
        1. smile
          smile April 1 2014 17: 59
          0
          scientist
          How simple it is with you ... you will say that before the evil Armenians invaded unfortunate Turkey under Russian flags, no one did anything to the Armenians. I don’t want to raise this topic, I don’t want to paint all Armenians in a dazzling white color ... but if you are a "scientist", then you cannot but know about the simply monstrous deeds of the Turks against the Armenians - since the time of the Ottomans, with which Turkey has consistently and unswervingly tried to conquer Armenia ...

          Personally, I have no better attitude to the dashnaks of the 20th century than to the Mussavatists, and in the territories occupied by Turkey, the Armenians responded to the monstrous Turkish crimes in the same way (sometimes vice versa), only on a smaller scale, since the forces were unequal, even that sometimes they can’t be distinguished there .... but to say that the actions of Turkish troops and gangs were provoked by bad Armenians is .... sorry, arrogance.
          By the way, have you forgotten that the "actions of Armenian soldiers on Turkish territory" took place mainly ... on the Armenian territory previously occupied by the Turks with the Armenian population partially destroyed and partially expelled? ..... So, let's hide the topic, well her nafig, and now here such a srrrach will begin - then we will regret everything. Okay?
          1. alone
            alone April 1 2014 20: 36
            +1
            Quote: smile
            So, let's forget the topic, well, nafig, otherwise now such a srrrrch will begin - then we will all regret it. Good?

            I agree 100%. And in general this topic has nothing to do with the article.
      2. smile
        smile April 1 2014 18: 03
        -1
        cozy
        You know. Of course, I have a good attitude towards Armenia. but to get into such a pose is simply out of principle ... unreasonable .... to put it mildly ... It's even unreasonable in the sandbox to get into a pose, and even in international politics .....
    2. washi
      washi April 1 2014 18: 58
      0
      Quote: smile
      Taking into account the ambiguous plans of the United States regarding Turkey - there is an opinion, both in Turkey and outside it, that the United States plans to subsequently dismember this country, in fact, Erdogan's actions can be regarded as preparatory work ... albeit unconscious. And his course towards "Ottomanism" is a direct path to defeat. It will burst, and the country will ruin ... if the sane part of Turkish society does not stop him.

      What about Turkey being a member of NATO?
      1. smile
        smile April 1 2014 19: 12
        0
        washi

        In principle, one does not interfere with the other. Not everything in Turkey’s policy suited and is comfortable with the USA. Sometimes too independent. The United States has already begun a global reorganization of the BV And I admit the existence of such plans. The existence of loyal regimes in North Africa did not prevent the development of color revolutions there. I believe that the United States also took part in this, among other interested ones ... One destruction by the Americans of one of their closest allies and conductors of their policy on the BV - Saddam Hussein - what is it worth ... He just became too independent.
        And the total robbery, enslavement and deprivation of independence of the new NATO members - the countries of V. Europe?
        Moreover, I did not claim that such an assumption by some high-ranking Turkish and our representatives of the intelligence community has 100 percent certainty.
  10. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 April 1 2014 15: 20
    +2
    In bi la the pervert of horseradish is muddied and when the creeping snake is thrown off, otherwise I’ve got the rams am
  11. omsbon
    omsbon April 1 2014 15: 22
    +2
    I suggest Erdogan to shoot himself in public in protest, as well as to pretend the invasion of Syria, although if he shoots himself, then what the hell to invade.
  12. igorra
    igorra April 1 2014 15: 23
    +1
    Select "hunters" from the most prepared ghasts, arm a couple of divisions and send a volunteer to help Assad in exchange for obtaining Russian citizenship, as well as his family. I think there will be some.
  13. mamont5
    mamont5 April 1 2014 15: 24
    +2
    "The military that he ousted from power had a good opportunity to attack the prime minister."
    It's time, Erdogan began to play games with the United States.
  14. sv68
    sv68 April 1 2014 15: 25
    +3
    Erdogan must go to the grave where this dog has the place
  15. VOLCHOXURAL
    VOLCHOXURAL April 1 2014 15: 26
    +2
    This pretzel is the time to go to the barrel, so to speak - let it fly !!!
    I was ready to go on a provocation unprecedented in cynicism and treachery in order to get an excuse for an attack. It was supposed to organize an explosion in the depths of Syrian territory of the monument of Turkish history located there - the grave of Suleiman Shah - the grandfather of the founder of the Ottoman Empire, Osman I

    Cynicism and hypocrisy grows stronger!
    What about some grave? Somewhere?
    And what about Sofia right in the very center of Constantinople?
  16. jura61
    jura61 April 1 2014 15: 26
    +2
    All this says one thing:
    Artificially created conditions for the management of certain countries such as Ukraine, Turkey, the Baltic countries, Georgia, puppet rulers (the last trend of the West) which ultimately leads to the shameful actions of these rulers at the helm of their country, the USA becomes more ridiculous as a state that has exhausted itself by its far-sightedness , both politically and economically. I want to be honest, if only one, that everything that they did the last period at least starting from Kosovo returns to them, on the other hand there is also a huge number of normal sane people.
  17. Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich April 1 2014 15: 28
    +2
    nothing new ... all this already happened, and a thousand years ago and a hundred years ago and now. Who is stronger is right.
  18. ZU-23
    ZU-23 April 1 2014 15: 30
    +7
    Yes, it’s for sure that 99.9% of the Americans strained Erdogan to attack Syria, the rest of the conversations are cheap like the yellow press, the Turks can never be afraid of Syria in their life, because Assad will not disgrace Russia, and the Syrians themselves are not armadillos like the Turks.
  19. valersvet
    valersvet April 1 2014 15: 31
    +1
    partnership, patsansky wassat
  20. Vityok
    Vityok April 1 2014 15: 33
    +4
    Erdogan needs to recall the story that in 1914 and 1939 world wars began with provocations, and what happened to those who started these wars.
  21. SILAnov
    SILAnov April 1 2014 15: 34
    +3
    What to say? Member of NATO, champion of democracy. Soon, they’ll put their own in a vat with Mr. N. !!!
  22. Eydolon
    Eydolon April 1 2014 15: 36
    -3
    Syria is our patrimony. How can one be behind these cocksuckers, not in a figurative, but in a literal sense. Erdogan will play out
  23. sanek0207
    sanek0207 April 1 2014 15: 40
    +1
    In suffered this Erdogan !!! Quite off the coils! Maybe if the voice acting has gone cold? And if not, then help cool!
  24. mitya24
    mitya24 April 1 2014 15: 43
    0
    All these shuffling Erdogan, somewhat reminiscent of the policy of Gaddafi - "both ours and yours" ...... it seems that everything will end in the same way for Turkey, and this grief - the politician will be slapped like a courtyard by some Kurds in surprise -a joyful exclamation of "wow" uttered by the next state. secretary
    1. washi
      washi April 1 2014 19: 05
      +1
      Quote: mitya24
      All these shuffling Erdogan, somewhat reminiscent of the policy of Gaddafi - "both ours and yours" ...... it seems that everything will end in the same way for Turkey, and this grief - the politician will be slapped like a courtyard by some Kurds in surprise -a joyful exclamation of "wow" uttered by the next state. secretary

      Why the Kurds?
      We will make them our republic.
      And why did they rename Constantinople? Why is the symbol of Armenian cognac located on foreign territory?
      I generally bastard and trudge. Here is such a multi-way. If this is GDP, then I bow. If it happened by chance, then the USA is a sucker
      1. alone
        alone April 1 2014 20: 39
        0
        Quote: Vasya
        Why the Kurds?
        We will make them our republic.
        And why did they rename Constantinople? Why is the symbol of Armenian cognac located on foreign territory?
        I generally bastard and trudge. Here is such a multi-way. If this is GDP, then I bow. If it happened by chance, then the USA is a sucker

        Machine gun in hand and march forward! Turkey is not Ukraine, what was in the Crimea does not roll there. So
  25. alex-cn
    alex-cn April 1 2014 16: 05
    +1
    Well, he sat down tightly, which was the scandal he had?
  26. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz April 1 2014 16: 54
    0
    Quote: baltika-18
    Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
    .Where it goes abnormal. We will politely answer!
    Do not inform us how we can answer suppose the start of hostilities in Turkey in Syria?

    Well, what? Turkey has already gone to Syria? There will not be such a mess. The Turks themselves understand that if they come to Russia, they are a kryndets. We are not whipping boys. We know how to shoot from slingshots!
    1. Alexandr0id
      Alexandr0id April 1 2014 20: 07
      -1
      But what can Russia do in Syria? no one has anything intelligible, just show off.
  27. kelevra
    kelevra April 1 2014 16: 56
    +2
    Surprisingly, Turkey has long become a country where there are militant training camps. It is not the second sponsor of world terrorism. Many terrorists are hiding in Turkey, so comrades like Turks can go on any provocations to denigrate and smuggle militants there. .
  28. KBPC50
    KBPC50 April 1 2014 16: 57
    +1
    Erdogan Aleppo thief! He acts like a thief, he has no concept of human honor, especially a politician of this rank. Uses the same method as Hitler when attacking Poland! He must have studied history very poorly! They dealt with one and, hopefully, this (Erdogan) will also be dealt with.
  29. bestpr2009
    bestpr2009 April 1 2014 17: 00
    +1
    Standard move. For an excuse for the outbreak of war with Spain, wise men from the US military at one time blew up their battleship "Maine". So it’s clear who Turkey is learning from.
  30. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 1 2014 17: 47
    0
    The spider is karakurt.
  31. GRune
    GRune April 1 2014 18: 22
    0
    Turks are also fascists too ...
    1. washi
      washi April 1 2014 19: 09
      -1
      Quote: GRune
      Turks are also fascists too ...

      At first you need to study at least Wikipedia, and then call names
      Do not confuse fascism and Nazism.
  32. philip
    philip April 1 2014 19: 53
    0
    No bad luck Syria. At first President M. Mursi, who had broken off diplomatic relations with her, was overthrown in Egypt. Now Erdogan reeled. Who is next? Jordanian King Abdullah II or US President Obama?
    Oh, how Obama is already compared with the king. Progress
  33. Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id April 1 2014 20: 01
    -1
    the drain of compromising evidence is a purely intra-Turkish showdown, Russians, Jews, etc., and even more so the Syrians are clearly out of work here. there is a struggle between the Erdoganites and the Kemalists, while the Kemalists have much stronger positions in the army and special services, and they use them to try to undermine the credibility of the PSR inside the country, and opinions outside Turkey do not raise any opinions.
  34. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer April 1 2014 20: 14
    0
    By agreement between France and Turkey
    and Syria has nothing to do with it ??? Level everything to hell so that it’s not disastrous! And eliminate the enclave! Let the Turks take their bones and knock over with their relics
  35. Evkur
    Evkur April 2 2014 00: 14
    0
    Friends of the news from Syria something became a little, Crimea, sanctions and Sochi all eclipsed. How does the army rule. Is fighting? How does the russian base live? When is the end of the war there?
    1. VOLCHOXURAL
      VOLCHOXURAL April 2 2014 02: 34
      0
      Quote: Evkur
      Friends of the news from Syria something became a little, Crimea, sanctions and Sochi all eclipsed. How does the army rule. Is fighting? How does the russian base live? When is the end of the war there?

      Yes, it seems even everything is quite nice!
      The news on tv is positive. Tehran reports also report success.
      Terrorists are strongly pressed and suffer significant losses!
      So it seems that the friends of the Syrians will soon begin to completely clean up their areas.
      The problem is different - the disadvantages of bandiuk flee to Turkey and Lebanon, where they are comfortably hiding. but let’s hope that they don’t run long!
  36. Urri
    Urri April 2 2014 00: 42
    0
    Quote: jagdpanzer
    Kemalists have much stronger positions in the army and special services


    In whose special services ?. Judging by Erdogan's behavior, there is such incriminating evidence on him in the CIA that all Kemalists nervously smoke on the sidelines. I think if the CIA discloses this compromising material, Erdogan will be provided with full-fledged Gaddafing. So they "fry" (blackmail in CIA jargon) Erdogan periodically, hence the spasmodic inadequate actions of the latter when viewed from the side.