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Placement of Tu-22М3 in the Crimea is Putin's hardest hit on the European missile defense system

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After the entry of Crimea into Russia and the partial stabilization of the situation in relations with the West (it is already clear that the probability of real isolation of the Russian Federation is scanty), the information field is increasingly news about the meaning and future of the new subject of the Federation.

The news about the deployment of the Tu-22M3 missile carrier regiment at the air base in Guards (Crimea) was very interesting. The rest Aviation on the peninsula will be updated and modernized, including Su-27 fighters, anti-submarine Tu-142 and Il-38, as well as Ka-27 and Ka-29 helicopters. All this should happen by 2016. But nevertheless, it is the placement of long-range Tu-22M3 bombers that is of key importance, therefore it is necessary to analyze the change in the military balance in the region and in Europe as a whole that will occur after the deployment of aircraft in the Guards.

First of all, you need to understand the capabilities of the Tu-22М3, which is called Backfire by the NATO nomenclature. This modification of the bomber is operated from 1983 year. The Tu-22М3 was created as part of the concept of a multi-mode aircraft and is equipped with a variable sweep wing - at low speeds and during takeoff, the wing is almost straight, and in supersonic sweep reaches 65 degrees. This allows you to use the aircraft in a very wide range of speeds and altitudes.

The radius of combat action of the Tu-22М3 is approximately 2400 km. The bomber is equipped with a powerful electronic and navigation system. The automatic on-board control system is actively involved in the control of the aircraft, greatly simplifying the life of the pilots. The main armament for the Tu-22М3 are cruise missiles X-22, with a launch range of up to 500 km and flight speed up to 4000 km / h (can be equipped with nuclear warheads and strike ships) and missiles X-15, with a range up to 250 km and speeds up to 6000 km / h (can also carry thermonuclear weapon). In development is the X-32 rocket, which, presumably, will be able to hit targets at distances up to 1000 km with great accuracy. By 2020, 30 Tu-22М3 must be upgraded to version Tu-22М3М and will be armed with these very rockets. It can be assumed that exactly updated aircraft will be deployed in Crimea.

As you can see, the combat radius of the Tu-22М3, plus the flight range of the cruise missile, is enough to fully cover the entire territory of Western Europe, including Britain. A bomber can fly to Eastern European countries even at constant supersonic speeds. All this is another possible serious blow to the American missile defense system in Europe. Recall that in response to the deployment of the European missile defense system, the RF promises to deploy the Iskander-M missile system, with a range of actions, depending on the rocket used, from 500 to 2000 km. A missile launched from such a complex flies using various maneuvers, therefore it is practically invulnerable to air defense and missile defense systems.

The combination of the Tu-22М3 and Iskander-M completely devalues ​​the elements of the American missile defense system, which in the 2018-2020 year will begin to be deployed in Poland and Romania. The leadership of these countries should think twice - does it make sense to become a target because of simple anti-Russian sentiments? Should not follow the example of the Czech Republic and refuse to participate in the program?

Other areas in which the capabilities of the Russian Federation are being strengthened are the Black Sea region, the Balkans and the Middle East. The Black Sea, and so shot by a large number of coastal anti-ship missiles, will now also be under the control of the most powerful bombers with cruise missiles, which makes the destruction of Turkish, or any other active in the Black Sea, fleet quite a simple task. In addition, in case of great need, this potential of the Russian Crimea can be applied in probable "hot" spots in the Middle East - including Syria and Iran.

As a result, we can say that the decision taken by the leadership of the Russian Federation on the deployment of the Tu-22М3 in Crimea significantly enhances the capabilities of the Russian armed forces in the key regions at the moment. In this sense, Russia's acquisition of its native "unsinkable aircraft carrier" is priceless. Such a move by Vladimir Putin, not yet adequately assessed by the Western media, is a far more serious sanction than blocking the accounts of several Russian businessmen or politicians.
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  1. JoylyRoger
    JoylyRoger April 1 2014 08: 10
    +81
    pleased with such news, even a newer technique, I hope to wait.
    1. Patton5
      Patton5 April 1 2014 08: 36
      +54
      Positive article! I just disagree with one
      what in Crimea will be deployed
      write correctly in Crimeaу
      1. Native grandfather
        Native grandfather April 1 2014 09: 14
        +23
        Quote: Patton5
        Positive article! I just disagree with one
        that in the Crimea will be deployed
        write correctly in Crimea

        Obviously, the author of the article walks in Poland and drinks coffee in the morning.
        1. nikcris
          nikcris April 1 2014 10: 24
          +21
          Not coffee, but kakawa stop
          1. ittr
            ittr April 1 2014 12: 31
            +10
            Or maybe one coffee and one bun
          2. novobranets
            novobranets April 1 2014 15: 07
            +3
            Kakawa, she will not quench her thirst. No. Here is a beer, yes. yes
            1. dustycat
              dustycat April 1 2014 19: 52
              +2
              Beer dehydrates.
              Proven at the Institute of Biomedical Problems.
              Because astronauts do not send beer.
              1. novobranets
                novobranets April 1 2014 19: 59
                +7
                Quote: dustycat
                Because astronauts do not send beer.

                Unhappy people. Like this, in space, and without beer. request
                1. maxxdesign
                  maxxdesign April 6 2014 19: 05
                  +1
                  they drink vodka)
              2. Grenz
                Grenz April 5 2014 18: 38
                +2
                Well, probably not why.
                It’s just hard to go out into outer space for a little. The pepper is freezing.
        2. sled beach
          sled beach April 1 2014 14: 10
          +11
          Crimea had 22 names, and a person was found guilty for using natural declensions for a Russian person. Handsome pezhons.
          1. novobranets
            novobranets April 1 2014 15: 09
            +25
            Quote: Sanya Beach
            Handsome dudes.

            One more. laughing Spelled nиzhony. tongue Sit down, two. belay
            1. ale-x
              ale-x April 4 2014 12: 58
              +1
              Ay, young man))) good
            2. DimychDV
              DimychDV April 6 2014 04: 02
              +2
              Tarish "general of the army", read the memo to the maydanutym: "When there is nothing to cover - dig into grammatical errors - with a polite regret that the esteemed opponents of true Ukrainians are in their native language, not in the middle of the night, and they cannot write competently." This is how, behind counter-arguments that are not related to the essence, the essence of the dispute is blurred.
              YOU DO NOT SERVE YOUR STARS IN SUCH DISPUTES?
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        4. yur
          yur April 1 2014 14: 19
          +20
          Quote: Native grandfather
          Obviously, the author of the article walks in Poland and drinks coffee in the morning.

          Quote: Patton5
          write correctly in Crimea
          No, my smart ones! According to the rules of the RUSSIAN language, it will be correct in "Crimea", as well as "in the port", and not "in the port". You will probably be surprised, but everyone's favorite "directors and tractors" are correctly written - "directors and tractors". So, alas and ah.
          1. Sergey Vl.
            Sergey Vl. April 1 2014 20: 25
            +10
            Gentlemen, linguists, let's also argue how to write the word Tallinn - with one or two "n" ... The main thing is that Tu-22M3M will be forced to be very polite Caucasians and staff members.
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          2. FlyEngine
            FlyEngine April 2 2014 18: 51
            +20
            The almost extinct local case (the 7th case) is partially preserved in the Russian language. In the forestу, To the shoreу, to CrimeaУin the coffinу... And the prepositional case, yes, it is written there in the ending "e". I'm talking about Crimeaеabout forestеabout the shoreеabout the coffinе.
            But basically, the local case has completely merged with the prepositional. In Russiaиabout Rossiи; in the wombеabout the wombе. Linguists were found here, too, they don’t know their native language.
            In general, the article is replete with errors and typos, but those are found in most articles, I just do not pay attention to them, they do not interfere with the perception of the text.
            1. Gunsmith
              Gunsmith April 3 2014 10: 05
              +3
              Well, there was also a vocal case, now merged with a plurality of wines. case like, but characterized by endings in the nominative case. What else do we recall? Comparative linguistics?
            2. IGS
              IGS April 3 2014 10: 25
              +2
              What are you talking about now? These were examples of cases or an example of the case of Tymoshenko and others like her? laughing Crimea, forest, coast, coffin!
            3. shiplover100
              shiplover100 April 3 2014 13: 11
              +3
              OFF !!! It's nice that there are experts in the GREAT.
            4. shiplover100
              shiplover100 April 3 2014 13: 11
              +1
              OFF !!! It's nice that there are experts in the GREAT.
            5. shiplover100
              shiplover100 April 3 2014 13: 19
              0
              On the pillar ..?))
              1. intuzazist
                intuzazist 27 August 2017 18: 49
                +1
                On the pillar ................
            6. shiplover100
              shiplover100 April 3 2014 13: 19
              0
              On the pillar ..?))
            7. nika407
              nika407 April 3 2014 14: 11
              +2
              Quote: FlyEngine
              In the forest, on the shore, in Crimea, in a coffin.

              the last "in the coffin" does not fit with the Crimea, more with the Westerners
            8. evge-malyshev
              evge-malyshev April 21 2017 13: 20
              0
              Quote: FlyEngine
              In general, the article is replete with errors and typos, but those are found in most articles, I just do not pay attention to them, they do not interfere with the perception of the text.

              I agree. And there are enough "literate people" among VO commentators. Where they studied and who taught is unclear.
              1. ty60
                ty60 6 November 2017 20: 14
                0
                Yes, everyone learned a little bit: something and somehow
          3. shiplover100
            shiplover100 April 3 2014 13: 02
            0
            On the bridge or on the bridge ... ??))
            1. Trinity
              Trinity April 6 2014 16: 09
              +4
              Forum users! Are you discussing the article, or are you competing in your "cleverness"? Adults, but behave like schoolchildren. (Who is smarter? Me. Who is the best? Me. Who knows more? Me.) Who among you has not mistakenly pressed the wrong key on the keyboard when you type something? Read the name of the author of the article and maybe you will make condescension to his mistakes. The main thing is the essence of what is written in the article. And you, like fleas on the skin, look for mistakes.
            2. notingem
              notingem 19 May 2017 23: 12
              0
              Pour it in. Have a bite.
          4. shiplover100
            shiplover100 April 3 2014 13: 02
            0
            On the bridge or on the bridge ... ??))
          5. vinik1996
            vinik1996 April 3 2014 16: 35
            0
            Merciless and merciless Russian language laughing
            Correctly my friend from Germany says: "Until I learn this Russian of yours, I'll go crazy wassat "
            1. maxxdesign
              maxxdesign April 6 2014 19: 08
              0
              let him teach harder! in the near future his knowledge will be very useful)
          6. vinik1996
            vinik1996 April 3 2014 16: 35
            0
            Merciless and merciless Russian language laughing
            Correctly my friend from Germany says: "Until I learn this Russian of yours, I'll go crazy wassat "
          7. badger1974
            badger1974 April 7 2014 12: 45
            +1
            Jura, do not drive, Kremeya is spelled correctly - this is a Turkic word, and if translated from it according to Turkic slang, it means a gross fence with a pit, a fence, less often a fortress, because any simplified protective fence for nomads was a fortress, Crimea Crimea became at Katka the second, whose monument the banderlogs wanted to bring down in Sevas from June 15, 2008, and earlier he (Crimea) called Tauria including the south of the outskirts in this concept, it would be correct in the Crimea, that is, in the enclosure, and not in the Crimea, in the pit itself, so alas and oh you, with uv. Crimean Badger1974
        5. kotvov
          kotvov April 1 2014 18: 38
          +1
          Lord, it’s not really so important as I wrote. For me, the main thing is that I wrote.
        6. serezhasoldatow
          serezhasoldatow April 4 2014 21: 22
          +1
          Still CRIMEA
        7. Dmitry Toderes
          Dmitry Toderes April 10 2014 16: 50
          0
          "Leonid Nersisyan"
          The surnames of Armenians end in "yang" - maybe the author is an Armenian, that was reflected in the pronunciation and spelling?
          And not such a terrible mistake - not even a mistake, but simply a flaw.
      2. HAM
        HAM April 1 2014 09: 30
        +11
        Probably the author was thinking about ICE ...
      3. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx April 1 2014 12: 06
        +3
        Quote: Patton5
        Positive article! I just disagree with one
        what in Crimea will be deployed
        write correctly in Crimeaу

        as well as
        will be able to hit targets at distances up to 1000 km s huge accuracy

        Just huge, maybe with high accuracy
        1. mamba
          mamba April 1 2014 14: 56
          +3
          Quote: velikoros-xnumx
          Just huge, maybe with high accuracy

          It would be better if the author indicated the specific value of this accuracy or, at least, the degree of its improvement after the modernization of Tu-22M3 equipment, as Z.O.V. showed in his post.
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 April 1 2014 21: 45
            0
            Quote: mamba
            the specific value of this accuracy or, at least, the degree of its improvement after the modernization of Tu-22M3 equipment

            The specific value for the nuclear munition does not play a special role. And for the usual it is determined by the quality of GLONASS work, its resistance to interference. Well, there are homing heads. If we are going to hit for military purposes, this is one thing, and if for civilian purposes it is different. Excites the number of high-precision ammunition and their storage depots. Space interceptors are also worried to bring down satellites. Ideally, put a dozen nuclear charges into orbit and take down all the satellites at once
        2. olegkrava
          olegkrava April 5 2014 11: 28
          0
          If you take into account that there is a nuclear charge, then with great accuracy. Well, just a couple of tens of kilometers there, but these are trifles.
      4. mamba
        mamba April 1 2014 14: 47
        +8
        Quote: Patton5
        write correctly in Crimea

        You're not right. You give the spoken version of the declension of the noun Crimea. And here is the literary version:
        Nominative case - (who, what?) - Crimea
        Genitive - (whom, why?) - Crimea
        Dative case - (to whom, why?) - Crimea
        Accusative case - (whom, what?) - Crimea
        The instrumental case - (by whom, by what?) - Crimea
        Prepositional case - (about whom, what? Or in whom, what?) - Crimea
        1. novobranets
          novobranets April 1 2014 15: 31
          +48
          - Do you have water?
          - Not water, but water.
          - Then give me water !!!
          - Not water, but water.
          - Yes, I see you get drunk! laughing
          1. stolbovsn
            stolbovsn April 1 2014 19: 07
            +7
            "Make way for the elderly" -
            What a disgrace - people are not living, but living
            then give way to older people - Actually it turned out horror ...
            You completely confused me, the devil will understand this Russian language ...
          2. Dest. 956
            Dest. 956 April 3 2014 05: 46
            +3
            Great and powerful Russian language. And you can imagine what foreigners think. A familiar Uzbek admires the Russian language - You can all call Sapor in one word. Supor-fence (fence). Supor-machine (Zaporozhets). Supor-church (cathedral). You can’t download the same supor (constipation).
            1. ty60
              ty60 6 November 2017 20: 20
              0
              And yet, you can’t understand, you can only remember. The words bol and sol are written with a soft sign and the plate and fork are without
      5. VAF
        VAF April 1 2014 17: 12
        +3
        Quote: Patton5
        Positive article! I just disagree with one


        I agree, the article is in the spirit of fellow . but positive .. request

        Dear Author Leonid Nersisyan - a military analyst of IA REGNUM probably "modest" ... where he takes the Tu-22M3 9, it would not hurt to have a nuclear submarine and RTB wink ) Well, on Tu-142 ..... yes .. "expert" .. in one word negative
        1. postman
          postman April 1 2014 20: 04
          +5
          Quote: vaf
          where will he take the Tu-22M3

          - Previously, these aircraft were part of the naval aviation. But in 2011 they were transferred to the Air Force, while the General Staff explained that anti-ship missions would sharpened all available Tu-22M3 - about 40 cars.

          =========================
          hello, Sergey,
          simply.....not all 40 will "sharpen"!, or "squander" as much as necessary.
          Well, what about that?
          in 2006, at the Poltava airbase, the destruction (retrieval in non-flying condition) of 43 Tu-22M3 units was completed.
          NO to move them to the Crimea, to responsible storage belay
        2. rJIiOK
          rJIiOK April 5 2014 22: 33
          0
          I served at the Belaya airbase near Irkutsk, 2011-2012, we had enough 22x flightless carcasses. They need to change the engines, and modernize, and they will fly. And they just stand there, no one saws them.
      6. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch April 1 2014 22: 07
        +2
        Quote: Patton5
        Positive article! I just disagree with one
        what in Crimea will be deployed
        write correctly in Crimeaу


        We used to say, "in the Crimea," according to the rules of the Russian language, "in the Crimea." Masculine, prepositional ...
      7. niki233
        niki233 April 6 2014 23: 50
        0
        they are already there! as soon as the decree was signed on the transition of the Crimea on the same day, they starred and laughing flew
      8. gurzuf
        gurzuf April 21 2017 17: 09
        0
        You are certainly right, but ... the main thing is the end result.
      9. Joseph
        Joseph 30 December 2017 22: 45
        0
        Write correctly in Tauris. It is Aksyonov that the governor of the republic wants to call the bridge Tatar-Crimean. instead of Tauride or Kerch.
        Apparently he knows little about the history of Tauris and the Russian Sea.
    2. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 April 1 2014 08: 38
      +3
      pleased with such news, even a newer technique, I hope to wait.
      and not only pleases, but balm on the heart, but NATO is a big hemorrhoids.
    3. Duelist
      Duelist April 1 2014 08: 49
      +4
      Positive! laughing
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    5. Su24
      Su24 April 1 2014 09: 49
      +1
      Yes, "expert".
    6. Coffee_time
      Coffee_time April 1 2014 10: 58
      +38
      For positive
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    7. CALL.
      CALL. April 1 2014 11: 45
      +12
      Quote: JoylyRoger
      pleased with such news, even a newer technique, I hope to wait.

      Wait. I suppose we have three years.


    8. WKS
      WKS April 1 2014 11: 57
      +17
      It is necessary to reunite with the Odessa region, from there it is even closer and there are enough airfields.
      1. Ivan 63
        Ivan 63 April 2 2014 18: 44
        +2
        And not only, the borders of the Russian Empire are more attractive.
      2. Ivan 63
        Ivan 63 April 2 2014 18: 44
        +1
        And not only, the borders of the Russian Empire are more attractive.
    9. luka095
      luka095 April 1 2014 20: 22
      +1
      Good news, of course. Crimea is an unsinkable aircraft carrier in Russia.
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    11. Stalker
      Stalker April 1 2014 21: 25
      +7
      pleased with such news, even a newer technique, I hope to wait.

      Estimated result for adversaries ... bully
    12. Maxsh
      Maxsh April 1 2014 23: 30
      0
      Of course it pleases! And NATO, in the person of Rasmussen, started talking that Russia still needs to cooperate in the field of European security laughing
      1. Maxsh
        Maxsh April 1 2014 23: 52
        0
        Although, damn it, I don’t understand how I listened, but in fact the opposite is true repeat Do not want...
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    13. Irokez
      Irokez April 2 2014 19: 17
      +3
      We got this aircraft carrier with the name "Crimea" for free, although it was we who built it earlier.
      Black Sea - Russian Sea (from ancient history and maps).
    14. Igool
      Igool April 3 2014 03: 36
      0
      I think it will be newer, only later. Now there is too little time; everything needs to be fixed, repaired, and rebuilt. There is, if I may say so, the preparatory phase. When everything settles down, they will take up combat duty, the personnel will no longer be in a fever, I think they will be able to start supplying a little more with new equipment.
    15. vell.65mail.ru
      vell.65mail.ru April 3 2014 07: 41
      +1
      A lot of things will have to be restored, the facilities are either plundered or deteriorated like all the military equipment of Ukraine. True, considerable funds are needed for this, but Russia's security is built from this.
    16. Sandov
      Sandov April 3 2014 19: 28
      0
      Quote: JoylyRoger
      pleased with such news, even a newer technique, I hope to wait.

      This is a competent decision, amricos bile come out. Well, they themselves concocted a conflict, so scoop shit out with a full spoon.
    17. tank 34
      tank 34 April 3 2014 23: 32
      0
      That's for sure. Larger and faster
    18. Tu-22m3
      Tu-22m3 April 11 2014 14: 12
      0
      In fact, for the Tu-22m3 the Black Sea is just a puddle. After taking off and gaining height of attack, he can only attack a ship entering the Black Sea. And the hole in the ship after h-22 hit with a land mine is 22 meters in diameter and 12 meters in depth.
  2. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk April 1 2014 08: 10
    +17
    Nice place for nice planes. The most important thing is that our impudent Saxon "friends" begin to die of their own poisonous saliva, and at the same time to amuse us with their tantrums.
    1. NOMADE
      NOMADE April 1 2014 08: 38
      +18
      Hmm, good news.
      Only there you need more:
      1) Su - 34))
      2) C-400))
      3) Thor, Broadsword.
      4) T-90
      5) Bridge layers and other engineering equipment (like Berlin we will take lol)
      5) Mi - 28
      6) Iskader
      7) SZO Tornado, Hurricane.
      Then, Geyropa will choke in snot, bile and feces))) laughing
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 April 1 2014 08: 48
        +22
        I think this will not rust, but where it comes from 5pcs PAK FA, it’s not clear, I uploaded the photo to another branch, but I'll post it again))
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak April 1 2014 09: 03
          +10
          According to the latest data, the PAK FA (or a pair) flew to Akhtubinsk, tests are continuing. And this is most likely a duck, tk. Why are there 4 actually "empty" aircraft? It seems like only one is fully equipped with the entire set of avionics.
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 April 1 2014 09: 20
            +2
            Quote: Wedmak
            According to the latest data, the PAK FA (or a pair) flew to Akhtubinsk, tests are continuing. And this is most likely a duck, tk. Why are there 4 actually "empty" aircraft?
            The Witcher, the comments below said it was photoshop.
        2. Gvozdovsky
          Gvozdovsky April 1 2014 09: 07
          +7
          This is a photo montage along the way. There is no PAK FA in the Crimea: the picture was taken from http://www.carta.cyperb.com.ua/aero/553-aerosevastopol.html + the fighter silhouettes were drawn. tongue
        3. Gvozdovsky
          Gvozdovsky April 1 2014 09: 07
          0
          This is a photo montage along the way. There is no PAK FA in the Crimea: the picture was taken from http://www.carta.cyperb.com.ua/aero/553-aerosevastopol.html + the fighter silhouettes were drawn. tongue
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 April 1 2014 09: 18
            +8
            Quote: Gvozdovsky
            This is a photo montage along the way. There is no PAK FA in the Crimea: the picture was taken from http://www.carta.cyperb.com.ua/aero/553-aerosevastopol.html + the fighter silhouettes were drawn.
            It’s a pity I thought the truth ... these photojopers need to be shot just in case, so that the water is not muddied. sad
            1. Gvozdovsky
              Gvozdovsky April 1 2014 10: 26
              +3
              Along the way, we were simply "bred" like suckers - from April 1! wassat
            2. Gvozdovsky
              Gvozdovsky April 1 2014 10: 26
              +1
              Along the way, we were simply "bred" like suckers - from April 1! wassat
        4. nik6006
          nik6006 April 1 2014 09: 22
          +7
          Since 1 April !!!
          Although it would be nice soldier
        5. Native grandfather
          Native grandfather April 1 2014 09: 23
          +1
          I agree with the Witcher. In fact, the T-50 is only one out of five functional. Sense to frighten them or to drive to the Crimea? Alexei, did you take this picture yourself or took it ready from the network? Is it Crimea exactly?
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 April 1 2014 09: 44
            0
            I didn’t do it at night. I appeared in the tape, let’s think I’ll post it on VO, and it’s how it turned out. repeat
        6. Ascetic
          Ascetic April 1 2014 14: 51
          +16
          Quote: bomg.77
          but where it comes from 5pcs PAK FA, it’s not clear, I uploaded the photo to another branch, but I’ll post it again))


          This is a photo from Mongolia (, Choibalsan military airfield), where a referendum on joining the Russian Federation is being held today
          belay

          A new holiday will appear in Mongolia. This is the day Mongolia joins Russia. The first celebration will take place on May 25, 2014. The completion of the construction of a pavilion for 10 thousand spectators on the central square of Ulan Bator is timed to coincide with this date.
          Lavrov comments on this decision as extremely beneficial for the two countries. If during the Soviet era Mongolia was a subsidized region for the Soviet Union, now the situation has completely changed. Xinhua News Agency notes Mongolia's GDP growth in 2011 by 17,3%, which makes it the absolute economic world leader.
          Mongolia traditionally exports molybdenum, wheat, potatoes and goat fluff to Russia.
          The national language of the Mongolian region, which will be assigned the number 93, will remain Mongolian (Cyrillic is used for its recording), and Russian will be returned to schools as a compulsory subject.
          The Ministry of Education of Mongolia has proposed a program to popularize Mongolian culture in Russia. It includes making kumis, living in yurts and studying the ancient Mongolian writing - Mongol bichig, its oldest cultural monument is the "Chinggis stone.
          The opinion of the Chairman of the Great State Khural of Mongolia, Damdina Demberel, is such that the peoples of Russia and Mongolia were related at the time, which in Russia is called the Mongol-Tatar yoke. Although this cannot be called a yoke, it was a mutually beneficial collaboration of the two greatest cultures, artificially torn afterwards. Today, there is an opportunity to restore this connection. The phrase that the Mongols and Russians are brothers cannot be considered simply a beautiful turn, because in our veins one blood flows. Russians and Mongols of the same blood. All previous grievances have sunk into oblivion, we need to be together again. This is the only right decision.
          In the photo, the flag of the Republic of Mongolia as part of the Russian Federation
          1. lestad
            lestad April 1 2014 23: 20
            0
            if not a duck I'm very happy
            1. understudy
              understudy April 3 2014 01: 37
              +1
              April 1st And the 93 region is the Krasnodar Territory ... 23, 93 and 123. fellow
        7. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch April 1 2014 20: 11
          0
          Inflatable I guess.
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      2. Native grandfather
        Native grandfather April 1 2014 09: 18
        +1
        Quote: NOMADE
        5) Bridge layers and other engineering equipment (like Berlin we will take lol)

        We are not going to take Berlin. We just put our Russian bolt on him so that he himself will come running.
        1. Vasek
          Vasek April 1 2014 19: 03
          0
          Quote: Native grandfather
          We are not going to take Berlin. We just put our Russian bolt on him so that he himself will come running.

          laughing as a result of the free will of the Berliners in a referendum! laughing
      3. demon184
        demon184 April 1 2014 09: 40
        +3
        Yes, they answered for Sevastopol, it remains to ask the Germans for the grandfather and there they will answer for Cuba.
      4. Stasi
        Stasi April 1 2014 11: 20
        0
        It is also worth adding the Bal coastal defense complexes and building the Voronezh radar. And also add a Mistral-class ship and upgrade the coastal artillery.
        1. mamba
          mamba April 1 2014 15: 02
          +4
          Quote: Stasi
          modernize coastal artillery.

          The 30th battery of Sevastopol is beautiful. Can it also be upgraded?
      5. Igool
        Igool April 3 2014 03: 40
        0
        What's the matter? At home, wherever I want, I put my things there.
  3. bubalik
    bubalik April 1 2014 08: 11
    +36
    Placement of Tu-22М3 in the Crimea is Putin's hardest hit on the European missile defense system


    ,,,How else,,, fellow
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 April 1 2014 08: 20
      +61
      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/542/ipvh44.png
      1. Scoun
        Scoun April 1 2014 10: 35
        +12
        "Our president only drives the bearish troika, Horse bear - for beggars.


        Igor39 Thank! I haven’t laughed like that for a long time! )))
        1. Igor39
          Igor39 April 1 2014 12: 59
          +4
          Nesachto, he laughed for a long time when he saw laughing
  4. domokl
    domokl April 1 2014 08: 12
    +9
    laughing Not only did the deployed missiles practically block the Black Sea for the enemy, but also the planes ... NATO received the same knife in the navel area, which can always cut through the liver ...
    1. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov April 1 2014 08: 21
      +16
      The missiles were closed, and the "carcasses" could work in the same way from the Krasnodar Territory! This is rather a hint to everyone - RUSSIA is ready to fight to the last!
      1. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik April 1 2014 08: 39
        +13
        Quote: serega.fedotov
        The missiles were closed, and the "carcasses" could work in the same way from the Krasnodar Territory! This is rather a hint to everyone - RUSSIA is ready to fight to the last!


        And if they still return the equipment for refueling in the air ...

        On the night of 14 on May 1976 of the year, on a production Tu-22М2 under the command of V. Borisov, a test flight was carried out for a maximum range with one air refueling. The flight range of the aircraft was about 7000 km. The flight was recorded by American intelligence satellites, and the very next day a flight map was provided by the American delegation at the talks in Geneva to reduce strategic offensive arms of the OSV-2. Despite all the efforts of the USSR delegation led by Minister of Foreign Affairs A. Gromyko, the Americans insisted on the inclusion of the Tu-22М2 in the list of strategic forces of the USSR, although, in fact, this aircraft could not work across the United States. After long and difficult negotiations, an agreement was reached on dismantling refueling rods from all machines and limiting the mass production of the Tu-22M at the 30 level of machines per year.
        The Americans conducted active reconnaissance and were well aware of the effectiveness of a possible combat use.

        The main weapon of the aircraft is the anti-ship hypersonic cruise missile X-22Н with a lightweight HE-explosive warhead capable of piercing a hole with an area of ​​22 m² and a depth of up to 12 m in the side of the ship. The aircraft plows the area equivalent to the area of ​​22 standard football fields with one hit with free-falling bombs. Possibilities of sighting equipment allow a single bomb to enter the barn from a ten-kilometer height.
        1. Jurkovs
          Jurkovs April 1 2014 09: 14
          +5
          Apparently from the Krasnodar Territory they did not reach Lamansh, and just right from the Crimea. These machines were created as Euro-strategic bombers and, with the loss of their base in Ukraine and Belarus, actually lost their mission. Now, with the relocation to the Crimea, everything falls into place and NATO too.
          1. aleks 62
            aleks 62 April 1 2014 09: 49
            +7
            These aircraft were created primarily as carriers of anti-ship missiles, and not as strategists .... They were aimed against aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean Sea - at the rate of one regiment - one aircraft carrier ... Until 91, there was a DIVISION of such aircraft in Crimea (Gvardeyskoye, Oktyabrskoye airfields , Merry). Only the most unfortunate one remained - Guards, at the Veseloye airfield there are now chicken coops (the company "Chicken Ryaba"), from Oktyabrsky there is only one runway in an extremely poor condition ... - flight range 2200 km, in the article there is a typo (fuel for 3 hours with a tail on subsonic).
            1. Turkir
              Turkir April 1 2014 14: 43
              +1
              The location of aircraft in the Crimea is not only due to the above reasons.
              Here Syria and the indirect warning of Turkey and ..
              can add more. fellow
            2. VAF
              VAF April 1 2014 17: 08
              +4
              Quote: aleks 62
              These aircraft were created primarily as carriers of anti-ship missiles, and not as strategists .... They were aimed against aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean Sea - at the rate of one regiment - one aircraft carrier ... Until 91, there was a DIVISION of such aircraft in Crimea (Gvardeyskoye, Oktyabrskoye airfields , Merry). Only the most unfortunate one remained - Guards, at the Veseloye airfield there are now chicken coops (the company "Chicken Ryaba"), from Oktyabrsky there is only one runway in an extremely poor condition ... - flight range 2200 km, in the article there is a typo (fuel for 3 hours with a tail on subsonic).


              So far, the only HEALTHY KOMENT of all read, +! soldier No, it’s nothing extraordinary for Domocles .. on the topic! + soldier

              The rest of them ... not even a kindergarten. Ah ... HOOT! wassat
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic April 1 2014 17: 19
                +3
                Quote: vaf
                The rest of them ... not even a kindergarten. Ah ... HOOT!


                Sergei! Hello! If I am not mistaken, there were plans to upgrade to the Tu-22M3M version with a new avionics and an X-32 missile in an amount of up to 30 pieces in total, according to the contract signed by Serdyukov in 2012.
                Based on the Decree of the Council of Ministers of Russia No. 1080-31 of December 2010 on the state defense order for 2011 and its planned period 2012 and 2013, the Tu-22M aircraft, board No. 9804 / s / n 4898649, as part of the modernization of the Tupolev fleet -22M3 was retrofitted with a pilot production of the OKB im. AN Tupolev (ROC "Potential") for testing air-to-ground missiles 9-A-2362. The aircraft is equipped with special instrumentation. The next stage of testing the Tu-22M3 / board No. 9804 / s / n 4898649 in Ramenskoye with X-32 missiles was carried out at the end of July 2013. Several flights were performed, including at least one flight with missile launches.

                link

                It’s interesting, did this anti-ship missile go into service and how are things with modernization? Or a contract of poher along with Serdyukov? Generally with reference very controversial on this topic.
                All the more, a new modern anti-ship missile system is needed because GLONASS is stable in operation, and the Liana ICRC is already in operation, although the debugging of some systems continues and the grouping is not yet complete, four spacecraft, two Pions and two Lotus, are needed, while one Pion is missing.
                In general, the X-32 and the modernization of the TU-shek turned into another meme as a long-range missile for the S-400 (which was still dopped and will soon be put on the shelves)



                1. VAF
                  VAF April 1 2014 17: 31
                  +3
                  Quote: Ascetic

                  Sergei! Hello! If I am not mistaken, there were plans to upgrade to the Tu-22M3M version with a new avionics and an X-32 missile in an amount of up to 30 pieces in total.


                  Hi, Stanislav! drinks They are "plans" and no one canceled them. true to these plans I would add .. "plans" for NK-25 wink . but with that ... crying
                  And so everything was real .... in 2010 "it was real2 to collect 30 pieces of combat-ready! And now what year?" wink

                  And the rocket was almost finished. The truth is the prototype Tu-22M3M board 9804 there is only one in LII recourse
                  And the launches were both single and sequential from both the belly and the wing soldier
                  1. Ascetic
                    Ascetic April 1 2014 18: 59
                    +2
                    Quote: vaf
                    And the rocket was almost finished. The truth is the prototype Tu-22M3M board 9804 there is only one in LII


                    In short, there is much to grow. While Boreas without a Mace, the S-400 without a long-range missile, and Tu is only one. drinks

                    And then why are you boiling this? Are they already in the Guards? It’s probably unrealistic to place a regiment probably on an almost empty place, and if a decision is made, it will take a long time to complete it. Or am I wrong?
                    1. VAF
                      VAF April 1 2014 19: 25
                      +2
                      Quote: Ascetic
                      Or am I wrong?


                      Absolutely right! drinks Somewhere I already wrote about this below. if this is the case, then .. a very distant future. tk. there is NOTHING for the Beckfires from MTO funds. Is it only to be used as "jump" airfields wassat
                      And the Guards is chosen because it is a real operating airfield for these types. everything else is able to say the least ... not really.
                      I like Bagerovo more for them .. WFP 3500x100 (as in Engels wink ) and condition .. very acceptable.
                      And in the Guards belay 100% will be local rallies. Like in Voronezh about Baltimore, and 100 pounds of chickens will cease to rush and cows .. give milk crying
                      1. Ascetic
                        Ascetic April 1 2014 19: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: vaf
                        100% will be local rallies. Like in Voronezh about Baltimore, and 100 pounds of chickens will cease to rush and cows .. give milk


                        In Ivanovo there were also rumors about two-headed calves, cows and chickens. When there were still liquid "webs" in the mines, there was a case of a railway tank with heptyl overturned ... Then our PGRK appeared. I remember on the BSP chamomile grew almost human-sized and giant mushrooms. Of course, 9 heads, plus the technical position of the RTB across the road (part of the
                        the operation of nuclear weapons and their docking, in common parlance "tadpoles") with an unknown number of them in storage smile
              2. bubalik
                bubalik April 1 2014 17: 30
                +1
                vaf (1) RU  Today, 17: 08 ↑


                ,,, well, do not scold us, not all the same pros in specific matters, I'm all komenty. if possible I read on the forum, very interesting, a lot of new ,,,,
                ,,,
                The rest of them ... not even a kindergarten.
                it’s healthy patriotism, so long ago we didn’t have enough, hi
                1. VAF
                  VAF April 1 2014 17: 55
                  +4
                  Quote: bubalik
                  it's healthy patriotism, so long ago we lacked this,


                  Healthy patriotism is ZDOROVY - this is the redeployment of the Shagolsk Su-24M "Gefest" instead of the Su-24s of my age (there is also a nuclear submarine).
                  Belbek has "a little" Besovets Su-27S.
                  To Novofedorovka Kursk MiG-29SMT.
                  Urgently tidy Bagerovo and Vesyoloye .. with the October problem.
                  You can fly to Kachu from the Akhtare Su-25SM.
                  Helicopters of Korenovsk and Budenovsk will transfer half of them to the Crimea (I won’t indicate the places like dirt).
                  This is PATRIOTISM.
                  And to an empty place to "drive" long-range materiel having in the rear at arm's length of the enemy ....: wassat you excuse me, but ... in every joke there should only be a SHARE of a joke ", and so it turns out the purest water HOHMA or. I already wrote above BALAGAN! soldier

                  And not any abuse +! drinks only .. clarifications! soldier
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        2. FID
          FID April 1 2014 09: 44
          +5
          Quote: podpolkovnik
          On the night of May 14, 1976, on a serial Tu-22M2 under the command of V. Borisov, a test flight was carried out for a maximum range with one air refueling.

          Well, there were more refueling ... The Americans traced it to Hawaii ... Then they dismantled the refueling rods from Backfires ...
        3. Altona
          Altona April 1 2014 13: 11
          +5
          Tu-22s were stationed in the Crimea in the 1970s, the main combat mission was to counter the American AUG in the Mediterranean, and the main target was an attack aircraft carrier of the Nimitz type. The air group was part of the Black Sea Fleet of the USSR ...
          1. VAF
            VAF April 1 2014 17: 18
            +3
            Quote: Altona
            Tu-22 were in the Crimea in the 1970s,


            Yes .... only Tu-22R / RD (30 ODRAP).
            Since 1975, the Tu-22m2 appeared in October. And then there were already 3s in Veseloy and changed to 3s in October.
            Everything was reduced to a division of 834 OMRAD (headquarters in the Guards).
            1. Altona
              Altona April 1 2014 18: 26
              +1
              Quote: vaf
              Everything was reduced to a division of 834 OMRAD (headquarters in the Guards).

              -------------------
              I said about 943 MRAP PRIVATE FIRM that in general it’s about the same ...
      2. REDARMYpartizan
        REDARMYpartizan April 1 2014 11: 58
        +2
        Have you seen the sea borders? The territorial waters of Crimea occupy almost half of the Black Sea. I have measured, to control the sea territory of Malta-Crete (the US fleet was in this area at the time of the Syrian exacerbation), we save 600 km of flight (30 min. Fly).
        1. VAF
          VAF April 1 2014 17: 21
          +4
          Quote: REDARMYpartizan
          Have you seen the sea borders?


          And where did they go to Turkey? Or will she give you 2 green light "to fly over her territory? wassat
      3. dustycat
        dustycat April 1 2014 20: 00
        0
        Quote: serega.fedotov
        "carcasses" could work the same way from the Krasnodar Territory


        From the Krasnodar Territory to London fly longer.
      4. skifd
        skifd April 1 2014 20: 24
        0
        Quote: serega.fedotov
        The missiles were closed, and the "carcasses" could work in the same way from the Krasnodar Territory!


        Absolutely correct, but consider the increase in the panic radius of "friendly" Europe! Who else is there to teach us "tolerance"?
    2. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga April 1 2014 09: 10
      0
      A splinter in the place below the back, so much so that it is impossible to get it and constantly aches.
      1. serega.fedotov
        serega.fedotov April 1 2014 10: 13
        -2
        In the event of a war for the Crimea, bombers need to be clawed to Washington!
  5. queen
    queen April 1 2014 08: 12
    +5
    And this is not a joke.
  6. Afinogen
    Afinogen April 1 2014 08: 14
    +8
    More need such birds. How many of them are chained to the ground, put all on the wing.
    1. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx April 1 2014 12: 57
      0
      I’ll take care of it now in the Navy and Aviation, many types of carobel composition and aviation still have not lost their relevance, great design ideas were embodied in iron, the patentsal of Madeernization is great!
  7. mamont5
    mamont5 April 1 2014 08: 17
    +5
    The unsinkable aircraft carrier Crimea is loaded with aircraft for all occasions.
    Tremble foes!
  8. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich April 1 2014 08: 17
    +3
    24 tons of goodies each! Well? to whom to visit? wassat
    1. VAF
      VAF April 1 2014 18: 01
      +3
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      24 tons of goodies each! Well? to whom to visit?


      Dear Andrei Yurievich, if you wrote 12 tons (2 - rockets of 6 tons each), then still .. back and forth, but it will go (but not in missile defense, like an expert expert lol ).
      But with 24 tons of "cast iron" .. firstly, this is only to the near abroad .. well, very close, but more or less somewhere .. it's 18 tons and then .. "on the ceilings" (like in a parade).
      Once already "tried" in August 2008 ..... maybe we will not step on a rake anymore? soldier
  9. Good
    Good April 1 2014 08: 17
    +5
    Plus the Iskander in Kaliningrad is not bad either!
    1. stayer
      stayer April 1 2014 08: 29
      +10
      Quote: Good
      Plus the Iskander in Kaliningrad is not bad either!

      I think in the Crimea will appear in the near future. The territory is very opportune, those areas that cannot be reached from Kaliningrad overlap. And all future missile defense projects in Romania and Poland will be under the gun.
  10. JoylyRoger
    JoylyRoger April 1 2014 08: 18
    0
    It seems that several TU-160s were taken in the Crimea? You can return them after repair there too.
    1. queen
      queen April 1 2014 08: 36
      +5
      Quote: JoylyRoger
      several TU-160 took in the Crimea?

      In Crimea, they are not needed, they are more convenient around the corner)
      1. VAF
        VAF April 1 2014 18: 10
        +2
        Quote: regin
        In Crimea, they are not needed, they are more convenient around the corner)


        Volodya. Not much correct, let me fix it drinks Tu-160 is more convenient not around the corner. a .. from around the corner wink ,those. from the area of ​​Franz Joseph’s land, through the North Pole and if everything goes together, it’s through Afghanistan and Iran.
        And around the corner is only in peacetime, with visits and for the intelligence officers "topic". soldier
    2. FID
      FID April 1 2014 09: 46
      +7
      Quote: JoylyRoger
      It seems that several TU-160s were taken in the Crimea?

      Tu-160 were NEVER in the Crimea. They were based in Priluki.
    3. VAF
      VAF April 1 2014 18: 05
      +2
      Quote: JoylyRoger
      It seems that several TU-160 were taken in the Crimea


      Only as glued models in a toy store wink
  11. johnsnz
    johnsnz April 1 2014 08: 18
    +1
    this is a sanction!
  12. lelikas
    lelikas April 1 2014 08: 19
    +6
    By 2020, 30 Tu-22M3 should be upgraded to the Tu-22M3M version - since the Naz is in full charge, turn the refueling rod over to it - the number of bricks will increase in proportion to the increased radius of action :).
    Interesting - where will the Tu-142 come from?
    1. FID
      FID April 1 2014 09: 49
      +3
      Quote: lelikas
      Interesting - where will the Tu-142 come from?

      And why in the Crimea Tu-142? SSBNs in the Black Sea do not bathe ... And with diesel ... Ilyushyntsi yesterday suggested that the Moscow Region use IL-114 as anti-submarine patrols.
      1. lelikas
        lelikas April 1 2014 10: 16
        +1
        Quote: SSI
        And why in the Crimea Tu-142? SSBNs in the Black Sea do not swim ...

        Note - I did not suggest this;) but the author.
        Well, at the expense of anti-submarine - you need at least something.
      2. avt
        avt April 1 2014 10: 39
        +3
        Quote: SSI
        Ilyushushintsy yesterday proposed that the Moscow Region use IL-114 as anti-submarine patrols.

        Interestingly, do you think there will be an effective replacement for the 38th in the near zone? Or is it simply, "purely in a relative" moving quite a decent transport?
        1. FID
          FID April 1 2014 10: 54
          +4
          Quote: avt
          Interestingly, do you think there will be an effective replacement for the 38th in the near zone? Or is it simply, "purely in a relative" moving quite a decent transport?

          11 hours in the air, they mean something, the 114th is NOT A TRANSPORT. This is a passenger regional. If the military is interested, civilians will fly!
          1. avt
            avt April 1 2014 11: 02
            +4
            Quote: SSI
            114th NOT TRANSPORT. This is a passenger regional. If the military is interested, civilians will fly!

            As I already said, doing 114 as a cargo-passenger and 112 with a ramp will be faster and cheaper than making a passenger on the basis of the 112th for the sake of unification. Let’s take a look, maybe the 114th will move into the series. But then the An-140 has vague prospects.
            1. FID
              FID April 1 2014 11: 05
              +5
              Quote: avt
              As I already said, doing 114 as a cargo-passenger and 112 with a ramp will be faster and cheaper than making a passenger on the basis of the 112th for the sake of unification. Let’s take a look, maybe the 114th will move into the series. But then the An-140 prospects are foggy

              The 114th is a good aircraft, and for the An-140 - yes, the gate closes. And nobody is trying to make the 112th passenger. This is all Dmitriy Olegovich coming up with!
          2. PLO
            PLO April 1 2014 14: 11
            +1
            11 hours in the air, mean anything

            and the necessary equipment fit in the IL-114? it is still half as large as the IL-38
            1. FID
              FID April 1 2014 15: 26
              +2
              Quote: olp
              and the necessary equipment fit in the IL-114? it is still half as large as the IL-38

              It’s climbing in, they were already wondering, and, most likely, there will not be anti-submarine torpedoes on it - it’s a patrol, and not a pure anti-submarine ...
  13. Nayhas
    Nayhas April 1 2014 08: 20
    -14%
    Tu-22M3 against air defense / missile defense is absolutely useless. It does not carry air-ground guided weapons. The result of an attempt to use it as a bomber is seen in the example of 080808. So there is no sense in the fears of Europeans.
    1. Lexx
      Lexx April 1 2014 08: 29
      0
      Tu-22M3M carries
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas April 1 2014 08: 30
        +4
        Quote: Lexx
        Tu-22M3M carries

        Well, what did you not continue? It carries anti-ship missiles X-22 ... And how will they hit missile defense facilities on land?
        1. podpolkovnik
          podpolkovnik April 1 2014 08: 44
          +2
          Quote: Nayhas
          Quote: Lexx
          Tu-22M3M carries

          Well, what did you not continue? It carries anti-ship missiles X-22 ... And how will they hit missile defense facilities on land?

          Tu-22М3М is a Tu-22М3 with partially upgraded navigation avionics and the ability to use high-precision air-to-surface weapons (UR X-32). Instead of NK-45 and Orbit-10, a more modern system from Su-24СМ was installed. At the workplace of the navigator-navigator, instead of the PA-3 tablet, a lcd display is installed. Until the 2020 of the year, it is planned to upgrade the 30 Tu-22М3, installing equipment on them on a new element base and adapted for an expanded range of weapons.
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas April 1 2014 09: 01
            +1
            Quote: podpolkovnik
            Tu-22M3M is a Tu-22M3 with a partially upgraded navigation avionics and the ability to use high-precision air-to-surface weapons (UR X-32)

            To begin with, the UR X-32 is not yet in service, they upgraded one side of the Tu-22M3, the modernization concerned only navigation equipment, hurray, we finally do ANNs with laser gyroscopes! No expansion of the range of weapons has occurred, or rather, with the adoption of the X-32, it will of course expand, but in fact the X-32 is the same X-22 only instead of the RLGSN it will be correlated (did you need it when you got the X-55 and its derivatives?).
            By the way, this board with "high-precision" weapons:
            1. FID
              FID April 1 2014 09: 54
              +8
              Let me disagree with you. Hephaestus is a PNK (sighting and navigation system), ANNs with laser gyroscopes from the beginning of the 90s exist. Domestic stands on the Yak-130, they will put it on the QMS if Collins gets bored. Just do not forget about the 90s - there was a complete collapse ...
              1. Nayhas
                Nayhas April 1 2014 10: 54
                +1
                Quote: SSI
                Let me disagree with you. Hephaestus is a PNK (sighting and navigation system), ANNs with laser gyroscopes from the beginning of the 90s exist. Domestic stands on the Yak-130, they will put it on the QMS if Collins gets bored. Just do not forget about the 90s - there was a complete collapse ...

                And why, Sergei, as a person who knows the Tu-22M3 not by hearsay, do not put all the points above and? Well, like, "everyone will calm down, for the Tu-22M3 there is such a means to destroy missile defense facilities in Europe," and my skepticism will be excessive ...
                1. FID
                  FID April 1 2014 11: 10
                  +6
                  Quote: Nayhas
                  And why, Sergei, as a person who knows the Tu-22M3 not by hearsay, do not put all the points above and? Well, like, "everyone will calm down, for the Tu-22M3 there is such a means to destroy missile defense facilities in Europe," and my skepticism will be excessive ...

                  Yes, because there are no such means, there is an X-15 with a radio head (for destroying radars, etc.), but for air defense right away ... But, I must say that you made a mistake on the X-15, the factory warranty ended in 2001 autopilot manufacturer. And the shelf life is somewhat different. Yes, and only one regiment was armed with the X-15, it's just a note ...
                  1. Nayhas
                    Nayhas April 1 2014 13: 36
                    +2
                    Quote: SSI
                    But, I must say that you made a mistake on the X-15, in 2001 the guarantee of the manufacturer of the autopilot ended. And the shelf life is somewhat different.

                    Thank you very much Sergey!
                    1. FID
                      FID April 1 2014 13: 42
                      +3
                      Quote: Nayhas
                      Thank you very much Sergey!

                      Always happy!
                  2. VAF
                    VAF April 1 2014 19: 30
                    +1
                    Quote: SSI
                    Yes, and only one regiment was armed with the X-15, it's just a note ...


                    Seryoga, not two? bully however, if honestly, then in the second only the 2nd squadron, yes, and then ... the music did not play for a long time ", they brought to the original .. under the x-2 soldier
                  3. valent1947
                    valent1947 April 5 2014 20: 12
                    0
                    My tongue is my enemy! Language is a godsend for a spy!
          2. VAF
            VAF April 1 2014 18: 34
            +1
            Quote: podpolkovnik
            Tu-22M3M is a Tu-22M3 with a partially upgraded navigation avionics and electronic equipment and the ability to use high-precision air-to-surface weapons (UR X-32).


            NOT!!! soldier

            1. Tu-22M3M is PNS Novella-45, radar 1-NV-1, SUV - U-001M, etc. (in theory, NK-32 engines), here for him are the X-32 and X101 / 102 missiles.

            2. Tu-22M3 Hephaestus is a modernized bomber with SVP 24-22, which is of course good, but ... it is modestly silent. That the locator was still the PNA, and the OPB-015T sight crying and who told you. that NK-45 "disappeared" belay
        2. Lexx
          Lexx April 1 2014 08: 46
          0
          Well, work on the X-32 in the air-ground version was carried out, I do not know at what stage the OCD is now.
        3. dustycat
          dustycat April 1 2014 20: 14
          0
          If anti-aircraft missiles can be used to "extinguish" ships, then what greatly prevents the "extinguishing" of an anti-aircraft missile with a video-headed ground object?
          In addition to the fact that this is not written in the instruction manual of the RCC.
          When do Russians follow instructions ?!
      2. VAF
        VAF April 1 2014 18: 15
        +2
        Quote: Lexx
        Tu-22M3M carries


        Carrying what? X-32 missiles .... in what "way" will you strike at missile defense objects?
    2. aksakal
      aksakal April 1 2014 08: 30
      +9
      Quote: Nayhas
      Tu-22M3 against air defense / missile defense is absolutely useless. It does not carry air-ground guided weapons. The result of an attempt to use it as a bomber is seen in the example of 080808. So there is no sense in the fears of Europeans.
      - there was shot down a reconnaissance Tu-22R, learn materiel. And the fault of the Russian generals is just that. that they didn’t have drones for reconnaissance operations, but there was only such a scout who was shot down by air defense equipment delivered from Ukraine.
      I do not think that guided air-to-ground weapons are so important for this aircraft. The bomb load allows for carpet bombardment with guaranteed target defeat, but the main goal is to be located on the peninsula (island of Crimea) Crimea - to perform the task in the water area of ​​the Black Sea, which is Sredizmeny, and here the TU-22M3 has little competitors in this part, except that F-18, amerskie fighter-bombers.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas April 1 2014 08: 37
        0
        Quote: aksakal
        a Tu-22R scout was shot down there, learn the materiel.

        The fact that the bomber was called a scout does not do that.
        Quote: aksakal
        I do not think that guided air-to-ground weapons are so important for this aircraft.

        Duc those generals who sent the "scout" also thought so.
        Quote: aksakal
        Bomb load allows carpet bombardment with guaranteed target destruction

        First you need to find the target, for this, on-board detection means are needed, which is simply not available on the Tu-22M3.
        Air defense systems which all European countries possess do not give any chance of the Tu-22M3 reaching the bombing facility.
        Quote: aksakal
        the main purpose of the placement on the peninsula (prkaticheskoe ISLAND) Crimea - the task in the sea

        Well, this is his only more or less doable task.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak April 1 2014 09: 07
          +3
          The fact that the bomber was called a scout does not do that.

          Why do you think so??? This is just a separate modification, stuffed with photo and reconnaissance equipment to the eyeballs.
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas April 1 2014 09: 23
            +1
            Quote: Wedmak
            Why do you think so??? This is just a separate modification, stuffed with photo and reconnaissance equipment to the eyeballs.

            The reconnaissance version of the Tu-22P looks like this.

            Tu-22M3 is a clean bomber. At its base was the Tu-22MR marine reconnaissance to search for the AUG, this is not a tactical reconnaissance! All of them were based in Vozdvizhenka or in Belaya. A board shot down over Georgia took off from the air base of the Kaluga region.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak April 1 2014 10: 01
              +2
              Yes, exactly, about the Tu-22R, were they really in service for 2008? I meant the Tu-22MR.
              1. Nayhas
                Nayhas April 1 2014 10: 22
                +3
                Quote: Wedmak
                Yes, exactly, about the Tu-22R, were they really in service for 2008?

                If only in the form of scrap metal ...
                Quote: Wedmak
                I meant the Tu-22MR

                Yes, he could not be in Georgia, the downed Tu-22M3 was from the 52nd guards heavy bomber regiment, the Shaykovka airfield, Kaluga Region. Where could the naval reconnaissance be from there?
                1. PLO
                  PLO April 1 2014 10: 31
                  +2
                  Where could the naval reconnaissance be from there?

                  and you are not embarrassed that the MRA has long been eliminated and all Tu-22M3 and Tu-22MR transferred to the Air Force and are based far from any coast?
                  and the Tu-22MR is quite a universal tactical reconnaissance.
                2. Wedmak
                  Wedmak April 1 2014 10: 33
                  0
                  Where could the naval reconnaissance be from there?

                  How long does it take to fly? If there were no other options ...
                  1. Nayhas
                    Nayhas April 1 2014 13: 48
                    0
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    How long does it take to fly? If there were no other options ...

                    Su-24MR would cope better with this task. Why something, and there are more of them in the Air Force than the Tu-22MR ...
                    1. aksakal
                      aksakal April 1 2014 14: 43
                      +1
                      Quote: Nayhas
                      Su-24MR would cope better with this task. Why something, and there are more of them in the Air Force than the Tu-22MR ...

                      - Maybe so, but they shot down the TU-22 in reconnaissance. Why did they send the TU-22? It’s to the generals that they fought there. But the winners are not judged (Catherine the Great).
        2. svp67
          svp67 April 1 2014 10: 33
          +1
          Quote: Nayhas
          The fact that the bomber was called a scout does not do that.

          You yourself answered all the questions - the plane was forced to perform functions that were not inherent to it, and even not in the best conditions, practically without any support ... that’s ran into it ...
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas April 1 2014 10: 47
            0
            Quote: svp67
            You yourself answered all the questions - the plane was forced to perform functions that were not inherent to it, and even not in the best conditions, practically without any support ... that’s ran into it ...

            And what would change if he served as a bomber? Absolutely nothing. Tu-22M3 attacked Georgia with free-falling bombs, for this they had to go into the Georgian air defense zone exposing the crews to danger.
            What do you think, if the pilots of the 52nd Guards. heavy bombs. would an air regiment be guided ammunition because it would allow to accomplish a task without risking life would the command of the air regiment give an order to hang free-falling air bombs?
            1. svp67
              svp67 April 1 2014 11: 00
              +5
              Quote: Nayhas
              And what would change if he served as a bomber? Absolutely nothing. Tu-22M3 attacked Georgia with free-falling bombs, for this they had to go into the Georgian air defense zone exposing the crews to danger.
              What do you think, if the pilots of the 52nd Guards. heavy bombs. would an air regiment be guided ammunition because it would allow to accomplish a task without risking life would the command of the air regiment give an order to hang free-falling air bombs?

              Well, to begin with, for any use of airplanes, one should not forget about ENSURING their activities, including airplanes with electronic warfare systems, which significantly increase the chances of survival, but this was not done in this flight, moreover, after this incident, and it turned out that the regular EW system on this aircraft was DEFECTIVE, and even the aircraft was not fully equipped with a battery, which led to the death of at least two crew members, because they could not activate rescue systems because of this ...
              Well, at least Serdyukov should be judged FOR THIS, let him answer for the death of our pilots ...
              1. Nayhas
                Nayhas April 1 2014 13: 54
                +1
                Quote: svp67
                Well, at least Serdyukov should be judged FOR THIS, let him answer for the death of our pilots ...

                Well, Serdyukov has a list of mortal sins such that at least wrap them around a cable drum 30A. But he is not responsible for the release of an unprepared aircraft ...
      2. complete zero
        complete zero April 1 2014 08: 45
        0
        but what kind of (about uncontrolled-freely falling weapons) -X-22 missile with active (GOS)
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas April 1 2014 09: 09
          0
          Quote: full zero
          but what kind of (about uncontrolled-freely falling weapons) -X-22 missile with active (GOS)

          Do you distinguish tactical missiles and anti-ship missiles? Can you tell us the work of the radar seeker? What is required for this?
          1. serega.fedotov
            serega.fedotov April 1 2014 10: 20
            +1
            Sorry to interfere in your dispute: but we have NO other TU22 analogues, and in which case flyers will have to use them! In addition, using one type of weapon in isolation from the rest is always cherished!
            And finally, the opinion of the amateur in aviation: the TU22 is beautiful, and when it takes off, the mosh is rushing!
      3. aleks 62
        aleks 62 April 1 2014 09: 57
        +2
        Tu-22R and TU-22M3 are completely different machines even externally (when Tupolev pulled out an order from Sukhoi to create a bomber, he misled the top). In Georgia, unfortunately shot down TU 22M2 - Tu-22R by this time, all were decommissioned and disposed of ...
      4. Wedmak
        Wedmak April 1 2014 09: 58
        0
        there was shot down a reconnaissance Tu-22R

        Uh ... wait, but did Tu-22R fly at that moment?
      5. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich April 1 2014 12: 20
        +2
        Quote: aksakal
        and here the TU-22M3 has little competitors in this unit, except perhaps the F-18, Amer fighter-bombers.

        completely different cars, for different tasks.
      6. VAF
        VAF April 1 2014 18: 48
        0
        Quote: aksakal
        a Tu-22R scout was shot down there, learn the materiel.


        Dear Aksakal, according to the "official statement" it was a scout bully and by the way. it was called Tu-22M3R. not the Tu-22R. wink

        There are three types of "reconnaissance" when performing a strike: target reconnaissance, additional target reconnaissance and control over the execution of the strike results, but for these purposes, each Tu-22M3 STATNO is equipped with AFA-42/20 day and night NAFA-MA-75 aerial cameras: wink
        So "scout2 at the tail of the battle formation is ... at the very least ... fool

        but for the "people" .. will do lol he "grabs" everything wassat

        It is for such an aircraft that the WTO is only needed, because unlike small airplanes, it has PNK of my age (almost on lamps) and can carry out combat use exclusively in horizontal flight and on a constant course, to put it simply ... when carrying out bombing it is TARGET: soldier

        Carpet bombing is not effective (though some of the preachers "of this theory, even the stars of the heroes of the Union received request )

        Dalshn did not understand .. so we are fighting from the Crimea or attacking the Crimea belay , still need to fly to the Mediterranean .. fly wink The Su-34th is already surpassing the capabilities of the Tu-22M3 drinks
    3. stayer
      stayer April 1 2014 08: 31
      0
      Quote: Nayhas
      Tu-22M3 against air defense / missile defense is absolutely useless. It does not carry air-ground guided weapons.

      Iskander will correct the situation. And take a gun.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas April 1 2014 08: 41
        +1
        Quote: stayer
        Iskander will correct the situation. And take a gun.

        Well, then there is no doubt, but it's not about him.
    4. Rattenfanger
      Rattenfanger April 1 2014 08: 34
      +2
      Quote: Nayhas
      It does not carry air-ground guided weapons.

      X-38 or X-101 - do you think the ram sneezed?
      080808 showed that we do not have a clear doctrine of the use of such a tool in a local conflict. It is reckless to draw conclusions about the futility of the Backfire in the fight against missile defense / air defense. Another thing is that front-line bombers of the Su-34 type with precision weapons would be a preferable option. 22nd, whatever one may say, is a car from the category of "big ship-big sailing".
      Z.Y. Not a flyer, so I do not pretend to be the ultimate truth.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas April 1 2014 08: 40
        +1
        Quote: Rattenfanger
        X-38 or X-101 - do you think the ram sneezed?

        For the Tu-22M3, yes, that's right. These systems are not integrated on the Tu-22M3. Or do you think that the missiles can be suspended on any side? You don't need to be a "flyer" to understand this ...
        1. Rattenfanger
          Rattenfanger April 1 2014 09: 41
          +1
          Quote: Nayhas
          These systems are not integrated on the Tu-22M3. Or do you think that the missiles can be suspended on any side? You don't need to be a "flyer" to understand this ...

          You're wrong. Work on the integration of the x-101/102 on the Tu-22M3 is ongoing or completed. Originally planned to use them on the Tu-95.
          As for the X-38, then here you didn’t even hit the sky with your finger, but in ... well, you understand me))) Application is theoretically possible. Another thing is that to use a short-range missile with strategic idiocy.
          But even if we take the X-38 out of the brackets, then the default X-22 missile in service with the 15nd is a high-precision weapon designed for use against stationary ground targets with previously known coordinates. Same principle as Tomahawk.
          ZY
          You don't need to be a "flyer" to understand this ...
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic April 1 2014 18: 16
            +1
            Quote: Rattenfanger
            . Work on the integration of the x-101/102 on the Tu-22M3 is ongoing or completed.


            reports on the modernization of the Tu-22M3 long-range bomber, which is also being carried out at the 360th repair plant. The new version of the aircraft is called Tu-22M5. He will be able to carry four X-101 or 6-8 X-555 and X-65, however, its main armament will remain supersonic air-to-ground missiles. First of all, we are talking about the modernized X-22, various versions of which have been in service since 1964. The new Kh-32 missile being developed by NPO Raduga, like the Kh-22, will be equipped with an improved engine and homing head.
            The prototype Tu-22M4 was completed in 1990, but the lack of funds did not allow to launch it into mass production at the Tupolev plant in Kazan. Instead, in 1997, it was decided to completely modernize the Tu-22M3 in service with the Tu-22M5 variant, later called the Tu 245.
            The new Backfire will be equipped with an automatic low-level flight control system with a radar tracking the terrain - something that was lacking in previous versions of Backfire. This will significantly improve its capabilities. The Tu 245 will be equipped with new radars and a navigation system and armed with a new offensive missile, developed specifically for it. Most likely, there will be no modernization of the fuselage and engines.
            A key feature of the Tu 245 will be a new weapon system. The X-22, even though it is a very powerful weapon, is not popular because of its liquid rocket engine, which has repeatedly created problems. Tu 245 will be able to carry the X-55 and X-65, taking advantage of their long launch range or using low-altitude flight with enveloping the terrain to penetrate the enemy airspace. In addition to the X-55 and X-65, a new missile, the X-101, has been under development for a long time. It will be an analogue of the American KR AGM-129 - an inconspicuous long-range cruise missile designed to carry a nuclear or conventional warhead. Tu 245 will be able to carry four X-101.
            link
    5. PLO
      PLO April 1 2014 08: 39
      +6
      It does not carry air-ground guided weapons.

      bully

      X-15



      however the article is crazy
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas April 1 2014 08: 44
        +1
        Quote: olp
        X-15

        God forbid, she has a b / h nuclear. And the inertial guidance system, only destroy the city ...
        1. PLO
          PLO April 1 2014 08: 52
          +8
          1.All the same, the V-22 guided weapons of the Tu-3MXNUMX have lol
          2. Any war in which we have to bomb NATO facilities in Europe is nuclear by default.
          3. The guidance system of the X-15 is inertial, which is why both stationary targets and nuclear warheads

          4. even if we assume that the Tu-22M3 will be placed in the Crimea, that there is stupidity and almost certainly a duck, then the Tu-22M3M will indeed be placed, and there is no reason to believe that the range of weapons of the modernized aircraft will not include various high-precision ballistic missiles
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas April 1 2014 09: 31
            0
            Quote: olp
            1.All the same, the V-22 guided weapons of the Tu-3MXNUMX have

            No, the X-15 has expired by 2000.
            Quote: olp
            2. Any war in which we have to bomb NATO facilities in Europe is nuclear by default.

            Well, yes.
            Quote: olp
            4. even if we assume that the Tu-22M3 will be placed in the Crimea, that there is stupidity and almost certainly a duck, then the Tu-22M3M will indeed be placed, and there is no reason to believe that the range of weapons of the modernized aircraft will not include various high-precision ballistic missiles

            Tu-22M3M exists in a single copy. All modernization is a replacement of navigation equipment, "high-precision CD" reportedly will be only by 2020.
            1. PLO
              PLO April 1 2014 09: 40
              +2
              No, the X-15 has expired by 2000

              absolutely unfounded statement, however, as usual winked


              All modernization is a replacement for navigation equipment

              don't tell what you don’t know /
              and high-precision missiles have been around for a long time: both small X-59MK2, large X-101 and possibly medium 3M-14A
          2. dustycat
            dustycat April 1 2014 20: 29
            0
            Quote: olp
            4. even assuming that the Tu-22M3 will be placed in the Crimea, that there is stupidity and almost certainly a duck


            If we assume that the placement of Tu22XXX in Crimea is the preparation of a base for PAK DA, then this is the most logical justification for this news.
        2. JIaIIoTb
          JIaIIoTb April 1 2014 09: 23
          0
          So in which case we will not "waste time" and will not.
          Let the Romanians and the Poles think well. And take all Nato together.
        3. Rattenfanger
          Rattenfanger April 1 2014 09: 43
          +5
          X-15P - designed to combat the radars of enemy air defense systems. High-explosive fragmentation warhead. The guidance correction system is passive, according to the radar beam from the target;
          X-15С - anti-ship missile. High-explosive warhead. The guidance correction system is active, radar. The maximum launch range depends on the size of the target and is 60-150 km.

          Quote: Nayhas
          And the inertial guidance system, only destroy the city ...



          Are missile defense elements in Europe mobile? recourse
        4. FID
          FID April 1 2014 09: 59
          +10
          Quote: Nayhas
          And the inertial guidance system, only destroy the city ...

          Where did you get this from ??? Sorry, but I was engaged in autopilots of this rocket. You do not say this somewhere among experts - they will laugh!
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas April 1 2014 10: 32
            0
            Quote: SSI
            Where did you get this from ???

            Quote: SSI
            Sorry, but I was engaged in autopilots of this rocket. You do not say this somewhere among experts - they will laugh!

            Well current if reference books lie.
            inertial guidance system without correction

            On the diagram too.
            1. PLO
              PLO April 1 2014 10: 41
              0
              seems to me Sergey talked about
              only destroy cities ...
              winked
            2. FID
              FID April 1 2014 10: 57
              +2
              Quote: Nayhas
              Well current if reference books lie.

              In reference books with the SS stamp did not try to search?
              1. PLO
                PLO April 1 2014 14: 09
                0
                those. in reality, only the X-15P anti-radar missile was produced with a conventional warhead, but did the X-15 with nuclear warheads not exist?

                or all the X-15 mods were equipped with a radar seeker?
    6. complete zero
      complete zero April 1 2014 08: 39
      +1
      this X-22 is not controlled?))))) Well, do not tell
    7. Professor
      Professor April 1 2014 09: 05
      +1
      Quote: Nayhas
      Tu-22M3 against air defense / missile defense is absolutely useless. It does not carry air-ground guided weapons. The result of an attempt to use it as a bomber is seen in the example of 080808. So there is no sense in the fears of Europeans.

      Why are you upsetting people like that?

    8. inkass_98
      inkass_98 April 1 2014 09: 38
      0
      Quote: Nayhas
      The result of an attempt to use it as a bomber is seen in the 080808 example.

      As far as I remember, there was used (and shot down) Tu-22М3 in the form of a scout, not a bomber.
    9. aleks 62
      aleks 62 April 1 2014 09: 52
      +1
      Do you think it is true - this is primarily an anti-ship aircraft (hollow aircraft carriers) - for this he was created and missiles too
    10. nikcris
      nikcris April 1 2014 10: 30
      +2
      There (080808) there was a scout, not a bomber. And he framed himself because of cap-hatred.
    11. svp67
      svp67 April 1 2014 10: 31
      +1
      Quote: Nayhas
      The result of an attempt to use it as a bomber is seen in the example 080808

      Yes, they lost one plane there, but he was not a pure bomber ... but was converted into a modification of the Tu22MR, that is, a reconnaissance ...
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas April 1 2014 10: 39
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        Yes, they lost one plane there, but he was not a pure bomber ... but was converted into a modification of the Tu22MR, that is, a reconnaissance ...

        These are fairy tales invented retroactively. Downed was from the 52nd Guards. there was no heavy bomber regiment from Shaikovka, there were no marine reconnaissance (which is the Tu-22MR M-marine R-reconnaissance) spawn. The base of the Tu-22MR was the airport of Vozdvizhenka (Primorsky Territory), then Belaya (Eastern Siberia).
    12. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx April 1 2014 13: 11
      0
      I don’t agree with you, in the prospect you yourself will soon see the opposite, and you will understand that your words do not correspond to reality, the example given by you 080808g the tasks were different and the level of preparation is not comparable, from those days it’s already 6 years since, you can see for yourself how over the past 2 years, the army has transformed, in that war we fought with weapons of the 20th century.
  14. waisson
    waisson April 1 2014 08: 20
    0
    super well done good good good
  15. valersvet
    valersvet April 1 2014 08: 21
    0
    and this is "+"
  16. zulus222
    zulus222 April 1 2014 08: 24
    0
    Bravo GDP! WELL DONE! NOW AND IN ALASKA WELL!
  17. vel77
    vel77 April 1 2014 08: 25
    +2
    Their cant is beautiful and deadly ...))
  18. dr.star75
    dr.star75 April 1 2014 08: 27
    0
    I wonder if Iskander will fly, will he be shot down with 400? Well, like who is stronger than a whale or an elephant? wassat
    1. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik April 1 2014 10: 06
      +6
      Quote: dr.star75
      I wonder if Iskander will fly, will he be shot down with 400? Well, like who is stronger than a whale or an elephant? wassat


      Verbatim:
      "Valiko, if you link the tractor and your helicopter with a chain, who will win?"
      "Chain"....

      "Mimino" (C)
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    3. Yura Gagarin
      Yura Gagarin April 1 2014 11: 14
      0
      I wonder if Iskander flies, his s-400 will be shot down?

      In theory, yes!
  19. darksoul
    darksoul April 1 2014 08: 31
    +1
    nice nice. but he is interested in the ability of Tu22m3m to be used in conditions of enemy air defense, remember how in 2008 it was shot down and not the newest modification of beech and radar? and the su-34 jammed and destroyed the Ukrainian radar. Who is thinking about this?
    1. Rattenfanger
      Rattenfanger April 1 2014 08: 37
      +8
      It should be used as intended, and not try to plug the hole than necessary. What kind of penis did he make over the territory of Georgia if this machine should attack without entering the enemy air defense?
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 April 1 2014 21: 53
        0
        Quote: Rattenfanger
        What kind of penis did he make over the territory of Georgia

        Force turn on the radar and then dunk?
  20. smith7
    smith7 April 1 2014 08: 33
    0
    One cannot but rejoice at the fact of the deployment of a regiment of such bombers in the Crimea! We are unlikely to scare someone very much, but life will be calmer in a sense.
  21. SVT
    SVT April 1 2014 08: 34
    +8
    "As you can see, the combat radius of the Tu-22M3, plus the range of the cruise missile, is enough to completely cover the entire territory of Western Europe, including Great Britain."

    And before that did not reach?
    and what about Taman, which is 4 km from Kerch. could not be accommodated by rooks? (military airfield Vityazevo)
    Such damn military analysts disappoint.
    I would write that Crimea is a ready-made and deployed infrastructure for strategists, that after the annexation of Crimea, we do not need to invent where and how to place birds, and most importantly BAO, that there is an opportunity to exclude Ukrovsky radar stations from a hypothetical discharge of information into NATO. Of course, why write, no, it’s better to write what they will get now, and they got it earlier, but returning the infrastructure SPECIALLY sharpened by birds is much more important than moving the airfield 10, 20 or EVEN 100 km to the enemy.
  22. savantol
    savantol April 1 2014 08: 34
    0
    Absolutely the right decision, the weight of the Black Sea region will be under control, everyone there will forget about their invulnerability. And the iskanders there too, so that the Turks could be wetted without leaving the box office.
  23. Adzhimushkay
    Adzhimushkay April 1 2014 08: 35
    0
    Gentlemen, is the declared speed of cruise missiles true in an article of 4000 and 6000 km / h? Etozh already hypersound like.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 1 2014 09: 09
      +1
      Such speeds are developed only by the warhead when approaching the target. The main path is done in supersonic.
      1. Yura Gagarin
        Yura Gagarin April 1 2014 11: 31
        +1
        Such speeds are developed only by the warhead when approaching the target. The main path is done in supersonic.

        do not confuse ICBMs with the Kyrgyz Republic, in the Kyrgyz Republic the warhead does not come close to the target - the entire missile approaches))))
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak April 1 2014 12: 04
          0
          in the Kyrgyz Republic, the head part does not come close to the target - the whole rocket comes close

          I did not talk about the exact type of rocket. Iskander has several types of missiles in its arsenal, aeroballistic, ballistic, and cruise.
          1. Yura Gagarin
            Yura Gagarin April 1 2014 12: 13
            0
            I did not talk about the exact type of rocket. Iskander has several types of missiles in its arsenal, aeroballistic, ballistic, and cruise.

            Actually, in this April Fool’s article and a friend’s question Adzhimushkay It was a question of the Kyrgyz Republic, and where is Iskander asked? laughing
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak April 1 2014 13: 38
              0
              I am not special in RC dead, but we have anti-ship missiles that hypersound to the target, making most of the way in subsonic mode. If not mistaken, one of the options for Yakhont.
    2. Yura Gagarin
      Yura Gagarin April 1 2014 11: 14
      -1
      Gentlemen, are the declared speed of cruise missiles true in an article of 4000 and 6000 km / h

      rather a bug, m / s
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak April 1 2014 11: 25
        0
        4000 m / s ???? In fact, this is 14400 km / h, such a speed has not yet been reached by any other device created by man. Except for the Pioneer spacecraft.
        1. Yura Gagarin
          Yura Gagarin April 1 2014 11: 40
          0
          4000 m / s ???? Actually, this is 14400 km / h
          yes, yes was wrong ((
        2. Yura Gagarin
          Yura Gagarin April 1 2014 11: 56
          0
          Except for the Pioneer spacecraft.
          yes no, 53T6 - 20 km \ h
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak April 1 2014 12: 09
            0
            Well, okay, you can count such devices with your fingers.
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        4. 26rus
          26rus April 1 2014 13: 27
          0
          Quote: Wedmak
          4000 m / s ???? In fact, this is 14400 km / h, such a speed has not yet been reached by any other device created by man. Except for the Pioneer spacecraft.

          Do not confuse anything? Actually, the 1st space velocity is about 7000 m / s (achieved on October 4.10.1957, 3) And for the Pioneer, the third space velocity is almost 17000 m / s.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak April 1 2014 13: 39
            0
            Well, yes, I confused it with cosmic speeds, although I meant movement in the atmosphere.
            1. 26rus
              26rus April 1 2014 13: 49
              0
              Nothing happens. Although it was clear that the conversation was about speed in the atmosphere, it simply cut my eyes
              Quote: Wedmak
              not one human-made device has reached this speed yet
  24. Stinger
    Stinger April 1 2014 08: 35
    0
    It has a sobering effect on an organism poisoned by attacks on Russia.
  25. survey_andry
    survey_andry April 1 2014 08: 36
    +1
    and where will he fly? will fly in the Black Sea without flying into the range of NATO air defense.
  26. NOMADE
    NOMADE April 1 2014 08: 38
    0
    Hmm, good news.
    Only there you need more:
    1) Su - 34))
    2) C-400))
    3) Thor, Broadsword.
    4) T-90
    5) Bridge layers and other engineering equipment (as we will take Berlin lol )
    5) Mi - 28
    6) Iskader
    7) SZO Tornado, Hurricane.
    Then, Geyropa will choke in snot, bile and feces))) laughing
  27. KBPC50
    KBPC50 April 1 2014 08: 38
    0
    Quote: bubalik
    Placement of Tu-22М3 in the Crimea is Putin's hardest hit on the European missile defense system


    ,,,How else,,, fellow
    A cool bear. Also stick a bag of honey and raspberries to it, that is, refueling and it will just be SUPER !!! The Czechs did well enough for the good fellows, exactly what Monsieur CHARLES DE HOLLE did in his time.
  28. DPN
    DPN April 1 2014 08: 47
    -1
    Quote: Nayhas
    . The result of an attempt to use it as a bomber is seen in the example of 080808. So there is no sense in the fears of Europeans.


    Georgia is still a former republic of its own and to destroy its own, although the former were not set such a task in all likelihood. Europe and the USA is another conversation, there are NO relatives!
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 April 1 2014 21: 59
      +1
      Quote: DPN
      destroy their own, although the former, such a task in all probability was not posed

      Of course, there was no talk of carpet bombing of villages and cities. So, targeted strikes and accidental hits. Well, in the area of ​​hostilities who did not hide, it's not my fault.
  29. propolsky
    propolsky April 1 2014 08: 49
    +3
    Well, they remembered the Tu-22! I saw with my own eyes how a guilline stood in Engels and cut three Tu-22s a day. Guess who gave us this miracle of nano-technology? Maybe even now it’s smart enough to manage your state from the Kremlin, and not from the White House?
  30. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 1 2014 08: 52
    0
    So the guys in the EU are not comfortable. Who would explain to them that everything is thanks to his big Obama brother lol
  31. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 1 2014 08: 57
    +2
    Okay friends, everything that’s not being done for the best. The most important thing is that Russia, like the Phoenix bird, is reborn from the ashes and it is very, very happy. I sometimes ask myself, but why do they all hate Russia, are we really so diametrically opposed . And maybe the truth, as in science fiction novels, is the forces of Light and the forces of Darkness and there is a struggle not for life but for death. And what do you think friends?
    1. DMB-75
      DMB-75 April 1 2014 15: 18
      0
      I completely agree with you, the main thing is that they won’t disintegrate and be always ready. So that I might think that Russia and Ukraine would come to that.
    2. I think so
      I think so April 1 2014 21: 28
      +1
      Dear A1L9E4K9S ... "I sometimes ask myself a question, but why do they all hate Russia so much."
      Everything is very simple. Now the Russian world controls about 35% of the planet's RESOURCES. And the population of this "little world" is only about 2% ... In fact, every Russian is richer than ANY person on the planet (including psi) 17 TIMES! How can you not hate his Russian, considering also his carelessness in relation to YOUR (?) Wealth ...
  32. Professor
    Professor April 1 2014 09: 01
    -7
    The combination of the Tu-22M3 and Iskander-M completely depreciates the elements of the American missile defense system, which in 2018-2020 will begin to be deployed in Poland and Romania. The leadership of these countries should think twice - does it make sense to become a target because of simple anti-Russian sentiments? Should not we follow the example of the Czech Republic and be excluded from participation in the program?

    April Fools Day joke however. good
  33. scientist
    scientist April 1 2014 09: 09
    +3
    Now the main destabilizing factor is not Europe, but Turkey. It is the Turkish support of al-Qaeda that does not allow ending the war in Syria. So the recent massacre of Armenians in Kesab was the last agony for the escalation of further tension. Apparently in revenge for the leak of information about Erdogan’s plans to launch large-scale actions against Assad. In addition, Turkey does not have a serious air defense system except the F-16 and its own short-range air defense systems. An agreement with China on the supply of the FD-2000 medium-range air defense system has only been signed, but even if they pass the tests in a couple of years and go into the army, they won’t do the weather. So the eskanders in the Crimea and Tu-22M3 are 100% sentence to the Turkish troops if they decide on an open war in Syria. I think that in this problem even Israel is more inclined to support the position of Russia than Turkey.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir April 1 2014 14: 58
      +1
      I support your opinion.
  34. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city April 1 2014 09: 10
    -1
    When deploying Iskanders in the Crimea and the Krasnodar Territory, two-thirds of Turkey and half of Romania will be under fire. And when the Tu22 and other bombers are deployed, the southeast of Europe completely overlaps. As for the missiles, articles flashed that during the modernization of the Tu22 they will learn to carry both new x32 and x555, and in the marine version anti-submarine and anti-ship Caliber, and maybe 3m14 (range up to 2500).
  35. mithridate
    mithridate April 1 2014 09: 20
    0
    Rather, the claimed equipment in the Crimea!
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  37. tank64rus
    tank64rus April 1 2014 09: 54
    +2
    The conversation is about the Mediterranean Sea. Tu22M3M Americans nicknamed "The Assassin of Aircraft Carriers". Now the US 6th Fleet will walk and look around.
  38. nod739
    nod739 April 1 2014 09: 58
    +2
    As you can see, the Tu-22M3 combat radius, plus the cruise missile flight range, is enough to completely cover the entire territory of Western Europe, including the United Kingdom.
    and before that he had no where to take off ??
    the author, albeit an analyst, juggles
    not to mention who will let him fly over Europe to England
    1. VeteranS
      VeteranS April 1 2014 11: 27
      +4
      In the 70s, I served as a DA air gunner on the TU-95 and we calmly flew from the southern airfield with refueling to the island of Svalbard, being exclusively in neutral waters .... so no one thought we should interfere with flights near Britain, Norway .... We were met by NATO Phantoms and only accompanied ...
      Now the possibilities of our YES have grown immeasurably!
      The most reliable allies of Russia are our mighty Army and Navy!
      God save Russia and Holy Russia!
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 April 1 2014 22: 02
        0
        Quote: VeteranS
        We were met by NATO Phantoms and only accompanied ...

        It is clear that in peacetime they will not shoot down. And at the onset of hour X
        will clear the sky
    2. AVIATOR36662
      AVIATOR36662 April 1 2014 11: 31
      +2
      For those comrades, our film "Peculiarities of the National Hunt" was filmed. It's just that the film should be shown to Western friends more often, you can also suggest who forgot where the film was filmed, not far from the hot Baltic guys. Stryi, Lviv region (260 TBAP TU-22M3) when else will it turn up? And Crimea is a good place for the south-west direction. The guys are arguing in vain, the TU22M3 works well for ground targets with missiles, not only for water.
      1. Vasek
        Vasek April 1 2014 20: 18
        0
        Quote: AVIATOR36662
        For those comrades, our film "Peculiarities of the National Hunt" was shot. It's just that the film should be shown more often to Western friends, you can also suggest who forgot where the film was filmed, not far from the hot Baltic guys

        laughing They want to live - and not so fuss! wassat
  39. promt26
    promt26 April 1 2014 09: 58
    +2
    Slowly, everything falls into place! Patience guys. Not only these territories will return to the orbit of Russia. The future is for Russia!
  40. Freemason
    Freemason April 1 2014 09: 58
    0
    Quote: JoylyRoger
    pleased with such news, even a newer technique, I hope to wait.

    Let's wait! I join the above comments. The Turks will think hard. + The whole of Europe will start to shudder, because theirs media can inflate not sickly stench. "Russian nuclear bombers are preparing to strike!" - and I see the title of another British publishing house ...
  41. ken
    ken April 1 2014 10: 04
    +6
    For the state is not offensive !!!!!!!!
    1. I think so
      I think so April 1 2014 21: 20
      -1
      Yes, for that power it was not a shame ... but for the present ... I want to cry ... and how did so many frankly stupid urapatriots get here ... who saw something positive in recent events? Blind jerks and only ... But the point is that Russia is now suffering a GIANT GEOPOLITICAL DISASTER ... And the blind are throwing bonnets into the air and screaming with delight ... Here it is time for Russia to think about eternity ... They will not let it live alive the future ...
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 April 1 2014 22: 07
        +1
        Quote: I think so
        GIANT GEOPOLITICAL CATASTROPHE

        Tell me more about her. A giant disaster was in the 90s
        when they were friends with everyone
  42. vinc
    vinc April 1 2014 10: 13
    -2
    Go west !!!
  43. Vyacheslav73
    Vyacheslav73 April 1 2014 10: 27
    -1
    Quote: Su24
    Yes, "expert".

    V.V.P. well done, I’ve thought of several moves over the last few years, I have been filled with respect for him lately (which, unfortunately, I can’t say about the liberal government ...) God give you strength! I think the people of Russia believe in you! And - Glory to Russia !!!
  44. TAMERLAN 7
    TAMERLAN 7 April 1 2014 10: 50
    0
    The people, a little off topic, but .... There was info about testing the latest US aircraft, maybe this is a B-3 prototype!
    Three aircraft, among which was an unusual device, apparently made with the use of stealth technology, 10 was seen this March in the south-west of the Texan city of Amarillo.
    An unusual device, apparently made from the use of stealth technologies, noticed on March 10, 2014. southwest of the texas city of Amarillo.
    Source: Aviation Week
    Representatives of the US Air Force refused to give comments to media representatives, reports Aviation Week. According to Steve Douglas, one of the authors of the airliner pictures, he first heard radio signals, and then he saw three planes flying together in the sky. It happened in 4: 20 pm CDT. At first, Steve Douglas decided that this was a B-2 bomber, but with an increase in image and contrast, we were able to see that the rear edge of the plane was straight. According to the author of the photographs, the unit was larger than a conventional fighter, its wingspan was comparable to that of commercial aircraft.
    http://vpk.name/news/107849_ssha_ispyityivayut_novyii_reaktivnyii_stels.html
  45. les103284
    les103284 April 1 2014 10: 58
    0
    A natural move to defend their borders. Based on the military doctrine of Russia, the deployment of the military potential will take place where it is needed! Well, and our "partners" amerikosovskim, our ardent greetings, do not burst out of anger !!!
  46. VeteranS
    VeteranS April 1 2014 11: 16
    +1
    At one time, I was lucky enough to serve on a TU-95 aircraft in YES as an air gunner-radio operator, and I am well aware of the enormous combat capabilities of long-range aviation ... When our aircraft equipped with cruise missiles appeared, nervous movement began on American aircraft carriers ... I am glad that our armed forces are equipped with more and more modern means to deter and punish any potential aggressor!
    God save Russia and Holy Russia!
    1. I think so
      I think so April 1 2014 21: 15
      +1
      With the loss of Ukraine and its transfer to an enemy camp, it remains only to rely on God ... There are no other options left ...
  47. Yura Gagarin
    Yura Gagarin April 1 2014 11: 16
    0
    Iskander-M missile system, with a range of 500 to 2000 km, depending on the missile used.

    Perhaps the author knows more than everyone else about 2000 km ?!
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 1 2014 11: 21
      0
      This is a KR with various warheads. They also mess around in two.
      1. Yura Gagarin
        Yura Gagarin April 1 2014 11: 27
        -1
        Iskander-M missile system, with a range of 500 to 2000 km, depending on the missile used.

        the Kyrgyz Republic as well as the latest modifications of Iskander ballistic missiles have a maximum speed of 500 km ....
        1. Professor
          Professor April 1 2014 11: 32
          0
          Quote: Yura Gagarin
          the Kyrgyz Republic as well as the latest modifications of Iskander ballistic missiles have a maximum speed of 500 km ....

          Today everything is possible. April 1st.
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak April 1 2014 12: 11
          0
          KR, this is a modification of the R-500. Range 2500 km. Google it or something.
          1. Yura Gagarin
            Yura Gagarin April 1 2014 12: 25
            0
            In addition to Wikipedia, is there anything?))
            http://military.tomsk.ru/blog/topic-304.html
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak April 1 2014 12: 38
              0
              I didn’t send to wiki, but to Google.
              1. Yura Gagarin
                Yura Gagarin April 1 2014 12: 54
                0
                can I link?
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak April 1 2014 13: 40
                  +1
                  For what? On google? google.com
                  1. Yura Gagarin
                    Yura Gagarin April 1 2014 13: 44
                    0
                    I gave you a link to a more or less normal source, you moo in response ... clearly. Adieu!
  48. ispaniard
    ispaniard April 1 2014 11: 25
    0
    I already see the Sickle caged over NATO eggs in Europe! P.S. They in the West do not yet understand what happened. laughing ...
  49. moreman78
    moreman78 April 1 2014 11: 29
    +1
    Quote: tank64rus
    The conversation is about the Mediterranean Sea. Tu22M3M Americans nicknamed "The Assassin of Aircraft Carriers". Now the US 6th Fleet will walk and look around.

    For those who are in the tank, I will explain - no one will let the Tu-22 into the Mediterranean Sea! What would you have to get through the airspace of Turkey (among other things, a NATO member) fly! So you have to think with your head before you write ..
  50. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 1 2014 11: 49
    0
    The very fact of the presence of our Tu-22 in the territory of Crimea will cool some hotheads. For what it is intended, for these purposes it will be applied, if necessary. And missile defense, of course, has air defense protection, but not so powerful that it would be impossible to overcome with a range of attack means. So, everything is fine guys.