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Crimea: "Wahhabi detonator". The position of the "zealots of pure Islam" is a problem for the authorities of the new subject of the Russian Federation

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Mustafa Dzhemilev, one of the leaders of the Crimean Tatars, in an interview with British journalists, said that Russia was at risk of a repetition of bloody Chechen conflicts. “We have Islamists, Wahhabis, Salafis, groups that fought in Syria,” he readily explained his position. - They say: "The enemy has entered our land, and we are ready."


British media interested in Wahhabism in Crimea is alarming. After all, the "Wahhabi card" was actively played out by British intelligence at the beginning of the last century on another Peninsula, the Arabian one. As on the Arabian Peninsula, in Afghanistan and Syria, in Pakistan and Africa, and today in the Crimea, Wahhabis at any time can act as a detonator of the conflict.

But before we talk about this "detonator", a small clarification. The media and expert speeches usually speak of Wahhabis and Salafis, which gives the impression of some difference between these trends. There is a difference, but it is so insignificant that it can be safely ignored. Salafism is a political practice of Wahhabi teachings, they are so intertwined that there is virtually no difference between Wahhabism and Salafism. Moreover, in the conversations in the West about certain differences that exist between Wahhabis and Salafis, there is a certain amount of guile.

Wahhabism - the state ideology of Saudi Arabia, a strategic partner of the United States and NATO. Naturally, it is not very profitable for the West to admit that its “unsinkable aircraft carrier Arabia is a breeding ground for the ideology of terrorism and radicalism. But it is difficult to object to the facts: it is the preachers from Saudi Arabia that the world “owes” to the appearance of the Taliban, the Central Asian Hizb ut-Tahrir, the Syrian Jabhat al-Nusra, the African Al-Shabab and other Wahhabi organizations whose tentacles stretched to the post-Soviet space - from Chechnya to the Crimea.

Actually, it was through Chechnya that Wahhabism began its active penetration into the Crimean peninsula.
Chechen militants licked wounds received in battles with Russian troops, in Saki and Evpatoria sanatoriums with their mud baths. The Chechen presence was practically legalized by the then Ukrainian authorities; there was no secret for the SBU, but for the Crimean Tatars it became a form of help to the co-religionists.

Through nominees, people from Chechnya bought housing in Feodosia, settled in Bakhchisarai, where the “headquarters” of the criminal group controlling the Saky, Bakhchisarai and Yalta-Alushta zones was located, which at one time became a kind of “personnel department” for vacationing militants.

And along with the militants, Wahhabi preachers penetrated, who immediately began recruiting supporters, creating cells and establishing control over mosques. At first, taking advantage of the indecisiveness of the Imams, they began to pray in a group separate from the rest of the Muslims. Then this group expanded at the expense of local residents, and then the mosque became “clean” - from the Wahhabi point of view.

The next stage of the Wahhabi penetration into the Crimea was the activity of Hizb ut-Tahrir, which, unlike Russia and the Central Asian republics, in Ukraine was not included in the list of terrorist organizations. Since 2003, she began to master the Crimea tightly, creating a network of "parallel mosques": rooms for prayer, equipped in private houses. The close representatives of the Ukrainian press tried to present the Wahhabi cells as “a circle of interests for a dozen Muslim romantics who dream of a revival of the Great Caliphate,” but only themselves turned out to be deceived.

The local Tatars knew the price of Wahhabis. On the route Bakhchisarai-Sevastopol there is a village Kholmovka, which was chosen by the Wahhabis. Tatar elders soon came to the new settlers: “If the village lights up, our houses and shops, cafes and pharmacies will disappear. Better leave! Otherwise, we will burn you yourself. ”

But these were still isolated cases, since the radicalization of the Crimean Muslims fully met the interests of Kiev, which sought, therefore, to create a counterweight to the pro-Russian orientation of the majority of the population of the peninsula.

President Viktor Yushchenko liked to repeat: “The only real Ukrainians in Crimea are the Crimean Tatars!”

And the executives from the authorities and the SBU were engaged in the practical implementation of the simple “Divide and rule” formula on the peninsula, closing their eyes to the increase in the number of Wahhabis and the growth of nationalist sentiments among the Crimean Tatars. As a result, the ideology of the Tatar nationalists and local Wahhabis closed on the main issue: the peninsula is the territory of the Muslims. Both nationalists and Wahhabis, estimated at around five thousand on the peninsula, are convinced that a sovereign state should be created in Crimea. And they supplement their convictions with concrete actions, creating parallel self-government systems and introducing a semi-legal “tax” on the “maintenance of ethnic / Islamic authorities”.

Today, the new Crimean authorities are trying to convince the Tatars that they have nothing to fear from changing the autonomy status. They offered them the post of deputy prime minister, three ministerial portfolios, official recognition of their public organizations, and even agreed to return the original Tatar names to some localities. Neither the nationalists nor the Wahhabis are satisfied with this. Radicals generally refuse from any dialogue with the authorities, because any authority where they are not the main ones - “from Shaitan”, and cooperation with such authority is a sin and a crime punishable by death by the rules of the Sharia court.

Nationalists from the Crimean Tatars are not satisfied with this proposal. Because, firstly, the Majlis of the Crimean Tatars headed for “resistance to the Russian occupation”, and secondly, the promise of the authorities on the first days of the “Crimean events” about the 20-percentage quota of the representation of the Tatar minority in elected bodies is in no way tied to Russian legislation , which will live in the Crimea. The Deputy Chairman of the State Council of the Peninsula, Grigory Ioffe, actually canceled this promise, stating: "There are no legal grounds for introducing any quotas in the Russian Federation, they pass to the authorities on an equal basis, and there are no advantages on national grounds." Of course, he “sweetened” the situation, explaining: in reality, this quota will be present, but only in those areas of government where there are no elected posts, and also drew attention to the fact that the new Russian region will be trilingual, Russian will be the official languages Crimean Tatar and Ukrainian. To be fair, it should be noted that the 20-percentage quota would not solve problems in relations with the leaders of the Crimean Tatars, since anti-Russian sentiment prevails at the top of the Majlis, but this is a separate topic.

Mustafa Dzhemilev confesses with British journalists: “This agreement is not worth even the paper on which it is written. Tomorrow everything can change. ” Tomorrow, is this obvious at the moment when the detonator works in the form of local Wahhabis? Is it enough for this five thousand people?

To answer this question, you need to clearly understand who the Wahhabis are. Today, only one percent of Muslims consider themselves to be a sect, which has long and methodically broken ties with traditional Islam. Officially, Wahhabism was recognized only in Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and was also the ideology of the Afghan Taliban until their fall.

How did it happen that this, in essence, a sect, covering no more than one percent of the population of the Islamic world, today, in fact, sets the tone in all conflicts from Africa to India?
The beginning of the expansion of Wahhabism coincided with the political rise of Saudi Arabia in the wake of the Middle Eastern war of October 1973, when the flow of petrodollars rushed to the Saudis dynasty. If the kingdom revenues in 1973 were 4,3 billion dollars, then in 1974 - already 22,6 billion! Saudi Arabia received unlimited funds to realize its long-standing ambitious dreams of the monopoly of Wahhabism. The Ministry of Religious Affairs in Riyadh printed and distributed free of charge millions of copies of the Koran and a huge number of Wahhabi doctrinal texts distributed across mosques around the world - from the African savanna to rice plantations of Indonesia and municipal houses of European suburbs. The genie was released from the bottle, and soon began to live a life separate from the patrons, taking more and more radical forms.

A feature of Wahhabism is that, because of its primitiveness, because it denies all the achievements of human thought and insists on a literal interpretation of the verses of the Koran, it gives simple answers to the most complex questions. Simple to primitivism, but, as it turned out, extremely in demand. These answers have nothing to do with traditional Islam, but then, even Wahhabis say that present Islam is a distortion, and only they know the path to "pure Islam."

In this "pure Islam" women are inferior beings, and therefore Wahhabis do not allow them to work, drive a car, or leave the house without being accompanied by a male family member. It is allowed to beat them for the slightest offense, it is imperative to demand to cover their faces with black covers, any participation of women in public affairs is prohibited.

In this "pure Islam" are considered forbidden monuments stories, memorial burials, tombstones with the names of the deceased or distinctive signs. Therefore, in the 1925 year, capturing Medina, the Wahhabis destroyed the Baki cemetery along with the monuments, including the graves of the daughter of the Prophet Muhammad Fatima and his grandson Hassan, destroyed the house of the Prophet Mohammed and his wife Khadija in Mecca, which stood for 1400 for years. At the same time, they almost destroyed the tomb of the Prophet Muhammad, but were stopped by the king himself. And at the beginning of 2002, an architectural monument was destroyed in Mecca - the Ottoman fort Ajyad from the outside of the Kaaba, to make way for the construction of a new hotel complex. Wahhabis generally demolished all the old quarters of Mecca and Medina, including the ancient walls of cities and old markets, building shopping centers and highways there.

They arrogated to themselves the right to declare other Muslims apostates on the basis of their performing spiritual rites, with which the Wahhabis do not agree. And having appropriated the right to judge and pass a sentence on “apostasy”, they also consider it their duty to execute the sentence.

All structures of political power that do not share their ideas are considered illegal by Wahhabis, and representatives of this power are usurpers who are allowed to overthrow, kill, and select their property.

If a male Wahhabi does not have a family and work, he is obliged to commit jihad, so as not to disgrace before his brethren, and the concept of jihad among them is, of course, his own, “the purest and the only true”. If a Jihad among Muslims can only be declared a legitimate ruler if their lands and their lives are endangered or attacked, the Wahhabis declare it on their own. In traditional Islam, there is no concept of "total war", and Wahhabis consider it legal to kill all the "infidels", regardless of gender and age, violence and bullying and, again, the possession of the property of the vanquished.

Impressive examples of the Wahhabi "jihad" were given in the recent past by Algeria, where the "zealots of pure Islam" killed about a hundred thousand civilians, and today it is given by Syria with cannibalism and cutting heads "on camera".

However, it is difficult to shock the Russian reader with Syrian personnel, we have seen enough Wahhabis in Chechnya.

Suicide in Islam is considered an unforgivable sin, and the Wahhabis call their suicide bombers “martyrs” martyrs, although only those who died for the faith or defending their homeland can be called a martyr. According to the Wahhabi teachings, the demands of Islamic morality no longer apply to the person who chooses the path of the “shahid”, and therefore he is allowed everything that is forbidden for other Muslims - alcohol, drugs and “Huria” with hourly pay.

It is quite clear that the carriers of such an ideology and such morality are the most desirable personnel for any terrorist underground anywhere in the world. But those who regard Wahhabis as a tool in geopolitical games, as was the case with the Taliban or jihadists in Syria, make one serious mistake. The Wahhabis are completely incapable of negotiating, and in one "beautiful" moment they begin to cut their self-confident "masters" and yesterday's allies. For the simple reason that Wahhabis are a rigidly structured organization. There is “infantry”, which is used as a consumable material in conflicts. There are so-called “activists”, organizers, leading propaganda, distributing literature and rumors, collecting money and information. There are “sheikhs” who become imams in captured mosques and receive funds “from the Center”. And finally, two supreme bodies that determine the policies of the Wahhabi cells scattered throughout the world. This is the main executive, financial and organizational body of the Wahhabis - the organization Hayat al-Daawa, its branch Jamiyat ihya at-turas in Kuwait and the League of the Islamic World in Mecca.

And the second is the Aal al-Sheikh family, descendants of the founder of the Wahhabi movement Muhammad Abdel Wahhab, the second in terms of influence and importance after the royal dynasty family. More precisely, the clan in Saudi Arabia, from which, traditionally, the first persons are appointed in the Ministry of Justice, the Ministry of Religious Affairs, in the service of the royal protocol and, naturally, in the Hayat al-Daawa organization.

Between the Saudi dynasty and the family of Aal al-Sheikh, long-standing contractual relations about mutual loyalty and non-aggression. It is for this reason that all attempts by Riyadh to resist the terror perpetrated by the Wahhabis throughout the Islamic world look completely unconvincing.

Well, since the strategic partnership of Riyadh and Washington is no secret to anyone, the answer to the question of the extent to which the US is “entangled” in Islamist terror and how much the CIA can manipulate “terrorist activity” is quite obvious.

However, both in Washington and in Riyadh they are beginning to understand that the genie of Wahhabism is not just released from the bottle - it is increasingly spinning out of control. This control is now trying to restore the joint efforts of Saudi and US intelligence services, firing off especially uncontrollable in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria and Yemen.

But it is important to understand that these "security measures" relate exclusively to the United States, the Saudis and their allies. With respect to the rest of the world, and Russia in the first place, the expansion of Wahhabism is still viewed in Washington and Riyadh as a reliable and effective tool of undeclared war.
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  1. andrei332809
    andrei332809 31 March 2014 19: 27
    +44
    I think that soon all human beings will get used to the fact that Our Crimea will stop their tantrums, and then these Crimean Wahhabis will quietly squeeze their tail, so much so that the foreskin grows
    1. jjj
      jjj 31 March 2014 19: 36
      +19
      Both Hizbut and Tahrir
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 31 March 2014 19: 40
        +54
        Quote: andrei332809
        Our Crimea, stop their tantrums


        1. jjj
          jjj 31 March 2014 19: 45
          +40
          Meanwhile, Kiev expressed an official protest on the visit of Dmitry Anatolyevich to the Crimea. I remember the Japanese threatened him for visiting the Kuril Islands
          1. hrych
            hrych 31 March 2014 21: 33
            +22
            Like where the clock hands translate there and Mitka.
        2. domokl
          domokl 31 March 2014 20: 05
          +46
          The problem of the Crimean Tatars is largely contrived. There is some part, like the rest of the Crimean people, who do not want to be a Russian and what? The author forgot that Russia has quite a lot of experience in the fight against Wahhabism. And the quarter-million Tatar diaspora in Crimea will not be able to realistically establish a second Chechnya ...
          And most importantly, Russia is not Ukraine, and financing of this movement will be seriously difficult. Which means ... On the whole, it’s probably rightly said, stop scaring us, our Crimea ...
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 31 March 2014 20: 10
            +12
            All Wahah funding comes from Turkey. Now they have become our geopolitical adversary.
            1. domokl
              domokl 31 March 2014 20: 32
              +15
              Quote: Den 11
              All Wahah funding comes from Turkey

              It doesn’t go, but it went ... You forgot about the laws adopted in the Russian Federation ... And it is with these laws that the throat will be squeezed and Turkish handouts ...
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 31 March 2014 21: 07
                +18
                Quote: domokl
                You forgot about the laws adopted in the Russian Federation ...

                And there is no need to go to the grandmother that in a very short time many of the adherents of "Hizb-ut-Tahrir" in the near future will replace the mild climate of Crimea with the more severe Kolyma. Moreover, Mustafa Dzhemilev, candidate for No. 1. By the way, here is the news on the topic: In Nizhnevartovsk, the fight against the Islamic terrorist organization Hizb-Ut-Tahrir continues. The investigators opened another criminal case against another member of the so-called “Marcel Abbasov grouping”. On this today, 31 March, said "URA.Ru" senior assistant to the head of media relations of the SU of the RF IC for Ugra Elena Sherman. “All the persons involved in these criminal cases are members of the same organization. The investigators are working in order - one thing is closed, the other is exciting. ”Sasha hi
          2. Darek
            Darek 31 March 2014 22: 06
            +4
            Here you are a little wrong. Of course, there is no problem of the Crimean Tatars. But there is a problem of Wahhabism and it is not far-fetched.
            Russia encountered "pure Islam" in its extreme manifestation only at the end of the twentieth century, and it is still not eradicated, which can no longer be considered "a sufficiently large experience of struggle." The point is a little different.
            Until now, Wahhabism is perceived with us as another Islamic movement, as Shiites and Sunnis. Therefore, let’s say, in Chechnya, special services are forbidden to touch Wahhabi parishes so that we are not accused of violating the law on religious freedom.
            On the other hand, among traditional Islamists, Wahhabism is considered precisely a totalitarian sect. And nothing more. And, until Wahhabis are recognized as sectarians at the state level, the fight against them will be quite arbitrary, if not cautious, in nature.
            This is a matter of terminology, but the devil, as you know, is in the details.
        3. SOKOL777
          SOKOL777 April 1 2014 00: 45
          0
          Show Obama this picture ... His Kondraty hugs.
      2. Day 11
        Day 11 31 March 2014 20: 07
        -17%
        Don’t mock Vera! For a start, find out how this is translated into Russian
        1. schizophrenic
          schizophrenic 31 March 2014 20: 15
          +9
          It looks like Saudi Arabia will have to tackle as the main sponsor of terrorism. A very vulnerable target without US support. am
        2. domokl
          domokl 31 March 2014 20: 35
          +10
          Quote: Den 11
          Do not mock Faith!

          Have you written Etol now to the Council of Muftis of Russia? Or forum users? Representatives of Islam say about the same as most of those present here.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 31 March 2014 20: 42
            0
            I wrote this to a friend JJJ.
            1. Sergh
              Sergh 31 March 2014 20: 58
              +17
              A girl, well done, will go far, caught a wave. Four men refused to become a Crimean prosecutor.

              1. Day 11
                Day 11 31 March 2014 21: 02
                +3
                The girl is good, no doubt. Kh.ohly on their forums rub off that everything is not so simple with her appointment
                1. family tree
                  family tree 31 March 2014 21: 17
                  +6
                  Quote: Den 11
                  The girl is good, no doubt.

                  Brave you, Denis what I somehow fear the 33-year-old senior advisers of justice, the female gender, to call girls laughing
                  1. Tersky
                    Tersky 31 March 2014 21: 32
                    +10
                    Quote: perepilka
                    I somehow fear the 33-year-old senior advisers of justice, the female gender, to call girls

                    Vladimir laughing , for all women without exception, after 20 it’s oil for the soul wink
                  2. Day 11
                    Day 11 31 March 2014 21: 51
                    +2
                    What article was it? (Joke, don't be offended)
                    1. family tree
                      family tree 31 March 2014 22: 15
                      +2
                      Quote: Den 11
                      On what article was it?

                      what Yes, we were all sentenced by the crowd, but they didn’t even say the article, the crime, of course, wasn’t particularly serious, they just had the audacity to get specialties in repair and maintenance of forestry equipment with the qualification of a mechanical engineer. So soldered to each three-ruble note. The only relief was allowed to choose a place of departure, depending on the severity of the committed request , here, three years and trumpeted laughing The department was then the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and when the prosecutors arrived with a check, oh! All uncles with shoulder straps on their ears stood. Generally what by inertia, probably request I am afraid
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                3. siberalt
                  siberalt April 1 2014 03: 04
                  +2
                  Especially Julia is rubbed laughing
                  http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/280/ojnz796.jpg
              2. koncrads
                koncrads 31 March 2014 21: 29
                +5
                The girl is certainly worried, nervous ... But I think it will break :)
                1. Tersky
                  Tersky 31 March 2014 21: 37
                  +6
                  Quote: koncrads
                  The girl is certainly worried, nervous ..

                  In my opinion, a good half of VO site visitors are worried and nervous,laughing Well, for good reason .. wink
              3. Maksim.
                Maksim. 31 March 2014 22: 16
                +3
                The girl is nervous, says through gritted teeth, even the eye twitched at 52 seconds, but still such a beauty)))))
              4. Day 11
                Day 11 April 1 2014 00: 12
                -14%
                To tear off her. So that her epaulettes would flicker in front of her nose. Dreams.
                1. SOKOL777
                  SOKOL777 April 1 2014 01: 46
                  +4
                  Quote: Den 11
                  To tear her


                  This you need to tear! Do not forget, kid, where are you ... negative fool

                  Moderator, what a mess on the site?
                  1. 225chay
                    225chay April 1 2014 07: 26
                    +3
                    Quote: SOKOL777
                    This you need to tear! Do not forget, kid, where are you ...

                    Moderator, what a mess on the site?


                    Denis probably joked, why immediately get nervous and contact the moderators?
                    Madame herself has probably still not believed in her "happiness".
                    By the way, she is certainly nervous because of her youth, but judging by the movements of her lips, over time it will be quite tough if not a cruel worker with elements of sadism ...
                    Someone's relative of course. Dan will cry if she falls into her hands))
                    1. family tree
                      family tree April 1 2014 09: 06
                      +4
                      Quote: 225chay
                      Dan will still cry if she falls into her hands

                      Uh-huh, she will remember him and the girl, and "pull away" morally. In short, Denis, you got laughing
              5. SSR
                SSR April 1 2014 23: 04
                0
                Quote: Den 11
                The girl is good, no doubt. Kh.ohly on their forums rub off that everything is not so simple with her appointment

                And then ?! If I were single, I would give them her appointment re .... re ... re. In general, they would die of envy.
                Here.))))
            2. jjj
              jjj April 1 2014 01: 41
              +1
              Quote: Den 11
              Do not mock Vera! Find out, for starters, how this translates into Russian. I wrote this to a friend JJJ.

              "Hizb" is translated from Arabic as "party", "tahrir" - as "liberation". The direct translation of the name of the organization is "Liberation Party".
              Therefore, to say: what is the party - such is liberation - is perfectly acceptable
        3. Baloo
          Baloo 31 March 2014 21: 20
          +2
          "You shouldn't mock Vera! First, find out how it translates into Russian."

          Words are reflections of thoughts, human mentality.
          Acts, deeds are the measure of man. I think so.
          That’s the whole philosophy. And God is one for all, although I myself am not religious, but respect the feelings of believers. Although objectively the beating, the Koran and the Torah are inherently literary and historical monuments of the culture of that era that have survived to this day. The system of moral values ​​is the main thing in any religion. Quote where they call for killing people, the elderly, women, children. I want to make sure of my errors.
    2. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 31 March 2014 20: 12
      +24
      Mustafa Dzhemilev, one of the leaders of the Crimean Tatars, in an interview with British journalists, said that Russia was at risk of a repetition of bloody Chechen conflicts. “We have Islamists, Wahhabis, Salafis, groups that fought in Syria,” he readily explained his position. - They say: "The enemy has entered our land, and we are ready."
      which of the Tatars are warriors and how dare this Mustafa Dzhemilev compare the Crimean Tatars with the Chechens, the Chechens who they would not have been, the Tatars are Crimean traitors and have always been cowards. Why traitors yes because cowards. you can put cons I will not change my opinion.
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 31 March 2014 20: 43
        +35
        an experienced teacher is ready to come to Ukraine and at the same time, along the way, explain the basics of Wahhabism to inexperienced Crimean Tatar neophytes, as well as the consequences of this heresy ........ he has an irresistible gift of persuasion .......... him once the Russians cured, healed you too, do not despair
        1. starhina01
          starhina01 31 March 2014 21: 43
          +7
          I think Kadyrov did not forget to take a notebook with him what so take notes lol
        2. Darek
          Darek 31 March 2014 22: 15
          0
          Do not get me wrong, but ...
          Taki-YES! Strategically, this is the best option.
          Indeed, and what, in fact, prevents to give the command "FAS"? The battalion "Vostok", under the personal leadership (almost wrote "goat herder") Mr. Kadyrov will deal with the Crimean Wahhabis remarkably well.
          And if Che, then the controversial moments will interpret in their own way.
          It is only necessary to drive them out of there on time. And it will turn out, as in an English joke:
          - Please tell me how to get rid of ghosts in the family castle?
          - And you hand it over to the Romanians for a week.
          In three months.
          - Please tell me how to get rid of the Romanians in the castle ???
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 31 March 2014 22: 25
            -2
            Who are you going to kick out of there? Justify pzhlst
          2. woron333444
            woron333444 April 1 2014 03: 34
            +3
            Vostok battalion does not exist since 2009
        3. SOKOL777
          SOKOL777 April 1 2014 00: 43
          0
          Ramzan!
          If you are reading me, send the "Vostok" battalion for a short while on a business trip to Bakhchisarai.
          Let them carry out explanatory work ...
          I think they’ll manage in a week. am angry
        4. tor11121
          tor11121 April 1 2014 06: 12
          0
          That's for sure. Wahhabism? Meet the doctor.
      2. family tree
        family tree 31 March 2014 21: 10
        +14
        Mustafa Dzhemilev is nonsense. Crimea is not the Caucasus; it’s adapted very badly to guerrilla actions. The supply of these partisans is blocked at a time. And the partisans will not have overwhelming support of the population, which is also a necessary condition. Yes, and they have no experience in guerrilla and counter-guerrilla warfare, unlike ... So, just take note that this Mustafa is cracking there, asking for money, then he will have a surprise winked
        1. TEODOR
          TEODOR 31 March 2014 22: 17
          +1
          Yeah, the Negro ass scared. Chechnya Dagestan has a 4000000 population, and here 300000 Tatars of the population, of which 10000-20000, who didn’t smell gunpowder, didn’t live in the war, will aggravate. As soon as the first batch of Chechen special forces invites me to talk.
          1. jktu66
            jktu66 31 March 2014 23: 47
            +2
            5 idiots with explosives are enough to blow up innocent people, incl. children. We need an agent network, work to stay ahead of terrorists. I think the experience is already there, they will calculate, "take care" of each of the idiots. And the territory of Crimea is relatively small, the borders are clearly marked. In the Kaliningrad region, for example, the probability of terrorist attacks is minimal, all around the border,
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        3. tolian
          tolian April 1 2014 06: 17
          0
          It would be nice about Mustafa in more detail. How old, who are the parents, what feeds, who feeds. Well, why in the Crimea, and not in Magadan, for example?
    3. polite people
      polite people 31 March 2014 22: 19
      +3
      Well, Tatars, you now hit the big. No one will forgive you for Wahhabism.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 31 March 2014 22: 27
        +1
        Which Tatars do you mean? Kazan? Negotiate. Maybe my Tatar wife will also go to consumption?
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 31 March 2014 22: 34
          +1
          Quote: Den 11
          Which Tatars do you mean? Kazan? Negotiate. Maybe my Tatar wife will also go to consumption?


          Hi Denis! I agree with you - the impolite comment of the "polite brow".
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 31 March 2014 22: 49
            +6
            Hi Sanya. My friend made a strong choice at the time, she was baptized! Guys from the Muslim republics confirm that they are not welcomed. There were huge problems with Tatar relatives, but she made her choice! Now I have a mother-in-law with my mother-in-law (calmed down). PS-Tatars beautiful women
            1. studentmati
              studentmati 31 March 2014 22: 58
              +1
              Quote: Den 11
              .S.-Tatar beautiful women


              What is - cannot be taken away!
              1. tolian
                tolian April 1 2014 06: 19
                +1
                And why? Yes, because it is a cross between the Slavs.
    4. Siberian19
      Siberian19 31 March 2014 22: 21
      +11
      that says it all! who does not agree, in the toilet \
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      2. studentmati
        studentmati 31 March 2014 22: 31
        0
        Quote: Siberian19
        that says it all! who does not agree, in the toilet \



        Vladimir Vladimirovich’s betrothal? Whose?
        1. SSR
          SSR 31 March 2014 23: 47
          +2
          Here I look at the sky .... Clouds, the wind is sweeping snow, a lighthouse ray is driving through the sky. A girl is sitting nearby, talking on the phone, threw a leg over a leg and fingering a lock of hair .... And where are you looking ?!
          Quote: studentmati
          Quote: Siberian19
          that says it all! who does not agree, in the toilet \



          Vladimir Vladimirovich’s betrothal? Whose?

          I don’t even understand us when the photo was taken and with this in mind ....... But the ring ("my darling") catches your eye)))
          A conversation about Crimea and not about who than when and how, but for the Crimea, the majority of the people of the GDP + put and addicted to the demotivator and the ring on it was not in cash or comme il faut.
      3. Lelek
        Lelek April 1 2014 00: 09
        +2
        And Wahhabi.
    5. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
      Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 31 March 2014 23: 51
      +3
      It is impossible to wait until the Americans and the geyropa come to terms with what happened. All this Wahhabi gang for this period will master itself in the changed conditions of life and begin to do dirty tricks. It is necessary for the FSB to immediately engage in work, identify Wahhabis and slowly eliminate them. Experience, unfortunately, is not small. The bulk of the Tatar population will only say thank you.
    6. Lelek
      Lelek April 1 2014 00: 01
      +2
      I don’t think everything is so simple. If the Crimean Tatar community itself does not struggle with these degenerates, then the penny for rehabilitation signed by the president is worthless. In any case, law enforcement officers must act harshly against these militant radicals in accordance with the laws of the Russian Federation. And let the Crimean Tatars choose with whom they continue to live and where they will continue to live and according to whose laws.
  2. Samaritan
    Samaritan 31 March 2014 19: 27
    +14
    Chechnya scares Ukraine, and Ukraine Russia Chechnya ...
    .but seriously, Crimean Tatars can arrange a cheerful life with a bang ... But I think the Russian Tatars will dissuade them from friendship with infidels - tolerant, otherwise death will not stop at home ...
  3. Gardamir
    Gardamir 31 March 2014 19: 30
    +28
    On Mr. Dzhemilev, we have comrade Kadyrov.
    1. techmesh
      techmesh 31 March 2014 19: 43
      +15
      On Mr. Dzhemilev, we have comrade Kadyrov.


      This is where the Muslims of Russia, and especially Kadyrov, should say their word.
      1. lukke
        lukke 31 March 2014 20: 26
        +9
        This is where the Muslims of Russia, and especially Kadyrov, should say their word
        Oh, there will be no business for these, at the same time, as a result of the fight against the Shaitans, the entire Tatar (and maybe not only) business will be squeezed out and put under its control - the region is blessed. Ordinary Muslims of the Russian Federation have enough of their problems in everyday life. You just need to observe and protect the laws of the Russian Federation without any chosen peoples ... If the party is banned and you are a member of it - welcome to ITK-17, if you are engaged in extremism - we will go further to the White Swan until the end of our wonderful days of struggle for the purity of faith. Wahhabism is a religion for rogues. Looking at the Crimean Tatar city youth, I did not notice much difference with their peers in the style of behavior and relaxation, so Tatars will have work and decent pay - few will practice Wahhabism, and our bodies have sufficient experience of friendship with them
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  5. Baloo
    Baloo 31 March 2014 19: 31
    +15
    "Mustafa Dzhemilev, in an interview with British journalists, said that Russia risks a repetition of the bloody Chechen conflicts." We have Islamists, Wahhabis, Salafis, groups that fought in Syria, "

    Any people have crazy scum and scum. Not all of them live long. "Polite people" will build everyone and mustafa too, I'm sure.
    1. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov 31 March 2014 20: 35
      +1
      Quote: Balu
      Any people have crazy scum and scum. Not all of them live long. "Polite people" will build everyone and mustafa too, I'm sure.

      Crimea is not Chechnya, major performances will be crushed right away! But I’m afraid I’ll do a lot of trivialities! Terrorist attacks in the Crimea are quite possible. But I hope the new laws on terrorism and financial responsibility will help here.
    2. fif21
      fif21 31 March 2014 22: 41
      +3
      [quote = Baloo] We have Islamists, Wahhabis, Salafis, groups that fought in Syria ", [/ quote
      Well, I think that he will tell the FSB in more detail: last names, addresses, what they do, who wears cowards, and who does not. Who fought where and so on and so forth.
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  6. Ased
    Ased 31 March 2014 19: 31
    +2
    I can not believe that the Crimean Tatars will start buchu as part of the Russian Federation. Rather, they raised it while Crimea remained Ukrainian. Now it will be easier for them. Again - they will want to go to Kazan (or somewhere else), but a visa is no longer necessary!
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 31 March 2014 20: 05
      +4
      I tell you, Kazan is not a decree for them! These are completely different peoples! I know, because ... I know
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 31 March 2014 21: 25
        +3
        And it is true. The language is different, music, songs, dances. Affects the influence of the Caucasus and Turkey. About 45 years ago, an ensemble of song and dance of the Crimean Tatars arrived in one Volga city. After the next number in the back, someone shouted in Tatar: hey, sing in Tatar.
      2. fif21
        fif21 31 March 2014 23: 02
        +1
        Russia extended a hand of friendship to the Crimean Tatars, the rest depends on them.
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    2. rhd
      rhd 31 March 2014 20: 25
      +7
      For this, they want recognition as an indigenous people (and the rest in Crimea came to visit us!) !!! But we must not forget the experience in these matters of the Stavropol and Krasnodar Territories! How did the Meskhetians fly out of there! Tkachev asked them and warned? YES !!! Didn’t get it? Get it and sign it! If 10% of the population buzz, why should the rest suffer 90? You can repeat this number in one moment ...
      1. jktu66
        jktu66 31 March 2014 23: 53
        0
        Not so radical. Khersones - an ancient Greek city was, much earlier Tatars appeared in the Crimea. Now on the site of Chersonesos Sevastopol. The Greeks are more radical. My great-grandfather was a Crimean Greek.
  7. konvalval
    konvalval 31 March 2014 19: 32
    +5
    Well, he thanked Mustafa Russia for all the advantages that his co-religionists received from Russia. He himself probably is not sickly, but how his people are on his side. Indeed, how many wolves do not feed, but the bear still has more.
  8. Genur
    Genur 31 March 2014 19: 34
    0
    A drop of tar in a barrel of honey.
  9. parus2nik
    parus2nik 31 March 2014 19: 34
    +10
    Mustafa Dzhemilev, a petty blackmailer .. Kadyrov, will still carry out educational work with him .. Just now, Kadyrov joked, informing the Maydans that Chechnya is ready to become part of Ukraine, as an autonomy ...
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 31 March 2014 20: 18
      +1
      Once I also considered Ramzan an enemy (like most) - now I am 100% convinced that this is a patriot of Russia! Yes, he fought against us, but who pitted us then? The first Chechen one was not as radicalized as the second where so many moved all the scum from around the world. The first fought against us almost the entire population of Chechnya, why not think?
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 31 March 2014 21: 34
        +7
        "The first Chechen was not as radicalized as the second, where so many scum from all over the world went. In the first, practically the entire population of Chechnya fought against us, why didn't you think about it?"

        I was struck by the words of the nephew of the late Ahmad Shah in response to the question who, from the Soviet side, helped the Mujahideen: The leaders of the Central Asian republics ... In Moscow? For example, Shevarnadze ... In Afghanistan, Dudayev. Dudaev led the air base in Bagram. Ichkeria was invented by some lumps from the Central Committee and the KGB (whose names are still embarrassed to name and evaluate their actions) as a transit point for the counter-gang: drugs and weapons from Afghanistan. First, through Tashkent, and then Dudaev refused an intermediary and the planes went directly through Grozny. That’s the whole background of Ichkeria and the first Chechen one. Although ... I am a civilian, accidentally read something on the internet, something in the newspaper, again TV. Something is remembered, something is not. The general impression is this.
  10. pogis
    pogis 31 March 2014 19: 34
    +1
    I still think the Chechen scenario will not work, not those conditions! And besides, it is unlikely that anyone wants a repetition of deportation, they will strangle their own if that.
    1. parus2nik
      parus2nik 31 March 2014 20: 07
      +1
      They will vomit, be especially deported .. not far away, to Chechnya .. to Kadyrov .. He will teach them to love their homeland ..
      1. dmikras
        dmikras April 1 2014 00: 10
        0
        rather respect faith
  11. Gloria45
    Gloria45 31 March 2014 19: 35
    +2
    And another article in the topic.
    Of greatest interest to supporters of radical extremist organizations in Ukraine is the Crimea, which has a variegated ethno-confessional composition.

    After gaining 24 in August of 1991, Ukraine’s independence from the USSR began an intensive revival of the national and religious traditions of not only Ukrainians, but also of other peoples inhabiting the republic, including the peoples professing Islam. The first Muslim communities in Ukraine began to revive in the early 1990-ies. They acted mainly under the control of the Spiritual Administration of Muslims of the European part of the USSR and Siberia, whose jurisdiction included the Muslims of Ukraine. Communities were registered in many large cities of Ukraine - Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Nikolaev, Odessa, Lvov.

    In the work of the youth camp, the principle of a certain selection of participants in the work of the camp can be seen. Such a method is widely used in the stepwise structure of attracting members by the Muslim Brotherhood organization.

    The first Islamic community in Kiev was formed in 1991 in the Shevchenko district. On August 14, 1992, by the decision of the Spiritual Administration of Muslims of the European part of the USSR and Siberia, the Main Mukhtasibat Office of Muslims of Ukraine was founded. Sheikh AhmedTamim, who was invited by the community to promote the study of Islam and was the founder of the first school in Kiev to study the foundations of this religion in 1991, was appointed Imam Mukhtasib. Since September 27, 1993, the organization began to be called the Spiritual Administration of Muslims of Ukraine (DUMU), whose main goal was to unite Muslims and teach religious knowledge. On May 11, 1993, the first Muslim educational institution in the history of Ukraine, the Kiev Islamic University, was opened.

    istochnik i prodoljenie http://novoross.info/politiks/16727-vahabitov-tyanet-v-krym.html
  12. darksoul
    darksoul 31 March 2014 19: 36
    +1
    what belligerent Wahhabis, as suggested by rehabilitation, can be canceled and sent again to fighters for the independence
  13. Cossacks
    Cossacks 31 March 2014 19: 40
    +7
    This detonator Stalin at one time as two fingers.
    1. starhina01
      starhina01 31 March 2014 21: 58
      0
      rather like a finger what or maybe just thinking and thinking there was nothing request
  14. mamont5
    mamont5 31 March 2014 19: 41
    +10
    "We have Islamists, Wahhabis, Salafis, groups that fought in Syria," he willingly explained his position. "They say:" The enemy has entered our land, and we are ready. "
    Your words must be weighed, because if you are enemies, then they will act with you as enemies. Russia is not Maidanut Ukraine. We have accumulated experience with such individuals.
    Aww, Ramadan, there your customers drew themselves.
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  16. razved
    razved 31 March 2014 19: 44
    +4
    By the way, when the decision was made to join Crimea, no one thought that there would be little work bully
  17. ZU-23
    ZU-23 31 March 2014 19: 47
    +3
    Fell them as well as throughout Russia.
  18. Maks-80
    Maks-80 31 March 2014 19: 47
    +8
    US and CA hotbed of global terrorism.
  19. Monk
    Monk 31 March 2014 19: 49
    +1
    Quote: Gardamir
    On Mr. Dzhemilev, we have comrade Kadyrov.


    Soon they will stop financing him and everything will be normal, the referendum showed what the Crimean Tatars really want.
    1. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg 31 March 2014 20: 12
      0
      Quote: Monk
      Quote: Gardamir
      On Mr. Dzhemilev, we have comrade Kadyrov.


      Soon they will stop financing him and everything will be normal, the referendum showed what the Crimean Tatars really want.

      Dzhemilev is not financed by Crimean Tatars
      1. rhd
        rhd 31 March 2014 22: 58
        +1
        All these years of non-reimbursement, they constantly received financial assistance from Turkey + WAS (FACT!) SEVERAL payments made by the Ukrainian government for their DEPORTATION in the 44th. And now they sing: how they arrived (in Crimea) -so nothing, nobody, nowhere Nobody ... HAS BEEN! That's just ROOT and CONFIRM, because they remember when in the 90s, the last XY was eaten without salt and they were not even interested in payments and land, where did these people come from!
  20. Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 31 March 2014 19: 51
    +7
    "The cursed hangs over the Russian peaceful hut of the Wahhabite." (C)
    Our experience in combating illegal armed groups is unique. The army is trained and run-in. Ramzan Akhmatovich hobbitsWahhabis love, like Lenin, the bourgeoisie.
    It’s stupid to threaten the Russians now. Not the beginning of the 90s in the yard.
  21. konvalval
    konvalval 31 March 2014 19: 57
    +3
    They started to scare, but in vain. We have dealt with Chechnya and will deal with them. We will entrust Kadyrov.
  22. Giant thought
    Giant thought 31 March 2014 20: 02
    +6
    Afraid of the Crimean Tatars - do not go to Crimea!
    1. GRANATE-19
      GRANATE-19 31 March 2014 21: 00
      +3
      Quote: Giant thought
      Afraid of the Crimean Tatars - do not go to Crimea!

      Don't be afraid of Crimean Tatars - go to Crimea! Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
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  23. APASUS
    APASUS 31 March 2014 20: 04
    +9
    I know a few Crimean Tatars. Mostly they live at the expense of the tourist and they don’t need problems, this will immediately affect the wallet. I would not say that they are all ardent Wahhabis, the views of the Tatars vary greatly in their place of residence.
    If they don’t begin to press on them, then I think it’s quite possible to live in a place.
    1. techmesh
      techmesh 31 March 2014 20: 14
      +4
      If they don’t begin to press on them, then I think it’s quite possible to live in a place.


      Your statement can be applied to any people. They just need to be made clear - live like people and they will treat you like people. Otherwise, all akbar, we do not get used to it.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS April 1 2014 18: 33
        0
        Quote: tech laughter
        Your statement can be applied to any people.

        You have traveled to Asia a little; I’ll tell you, it’s very difficult to get along with some.
        Here, much needs to be explained by their ideas about life, about neighbors, about culture.
  24. awg75
    awg75 31 March 2014 20: 06
    +5
    in Chechnya crushed this gnus - and crush in the Crimea
    1. GRANATE-19
      GRANATE-19 31 March 2014 21: 34
      +1
      Quote: awg75
      in Chechnya crushed this gnus - and crush in the Crimea

      We need to gather the elders and invite clergy from ALL RUSSIA to Crimea. Sit, talk, find out who lives what, who wants what and then inform that in order to maintain law and order on the territory of the RUSSIAN CRIMEA REGION of VOSTOK (the regiment) will be introduced there and will be deployed in the region of Bakhchisarai! Upon the arrival of the regiment, the elders will be invited to the grand opening of the new military unit with whom the guest of honor of this event will talk (guess who? RIGHT !!!) Ramzan Kadyrov! Respectfully, I express my humble opinion.
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    3. Baloo
      Baloo 31 March 2014 21: 41
      +3
      What are you all threatening the Tatars? What makes you think that this e ... not young e ... Mr. Mustafa expresses the opinion of the Crimean Tatars? The opinion of the Crimean Tatars is expressed by businessmen. And it would be time for them to think about an alternative organization that would really reflect the interests of most Crimean Tatars.
      With this, it is absolutely impossible to postpone, the progressive part of the Crimean Tatars should win the struggle for the minds and souls of youth. Otherwise, it will be difficult for businessmen from Crimean Tatars to rely on investments and business promotion with such er ... Mustafah.
  25. nomad74
    nomad74 31 March 2014 20: 08
    +15
    with what fright Mustafa Dzhemilev shy away from Britain and the UN, and even with such rhetoric! Criminal case on extremism on him! Immediately forget about the Crimea! This old donkey is scared of whom? Russia! Crush a car on London street and make it a British Muslim, a native of Pakistan!
  26. Vadim12
    Vadim12 31 March 2014 20: 10
    +9
    Dzhemilev does not defend the interests of the Tatars in Crimea, but personal. Find out more about where and by whom his children and their wives work. He is strongly tied to the US State Department, and the accession of Crimea to Russia can greatly affect their careers.
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    2. nomad74
      nomad74 April 1 2014 01: 11
      0
      Quote: Vadim12
      Dzhemilev does not defend the interests of the Tatars in Crimea, but personal. Find out more about where and by whom his children and their wives work. He is strongly tied to the US State Department, and the accession of Crimea to Russia can greatly affect their careers.


      Yes, I know, only this is more likely to apply to Chubarov, and Dzhemilev has been a dissident since Soviet times.
  27. Maxim90
    Maxim90 31 March 2014 20: 14
    +18
    Who does the author scare?
  28. Maxim90
    Maxim90 31 March 2014 20: 14
    0
    Article is strange hmhmhmhm ???
    1. GRANATE-19
      GRANATE-19 31 March 2014 21: 09
      +1
      Quote: Maxim90
      Article is strange hmhmhmhm ???

      Yes, it’s not strange, it has long been shown in a box that Ukraine does not prohibit extremist movements that are prohibited in many states, if not all over the world. It can be seen that it was necessary to bastard from behind a hill, in order to play the Russian card more aggressively!
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  29. parus2nik
    parus2nik 31 March 2014 20: 15
    +12
    Chechen Republic intends to become part of Ukraine

    The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, said that the republic is ready to join Ukraine as a broad autonomy. According to him, "a delegation of polite armed people with beards has already gone to Kiev to discuss the details of the upcoming reunification of Ukraine and Chechnya."
    Meanwhile, the Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk emphasized that he did not want to see Chechnya as part of the state. “The time has not yet come for such a desperate step,” he said.
    Nevertheless, Ramzan Kadyrov said in an interview with the Saboteur newspaper that the Chechen Republic intends to become part of Ukraine “whether Ukraine wants it or not”. Kadyrov also proposed renaming the Maidan of Independence into the Maidan of the reunification of Chechnya with Ukraine. “Chechnya has always felt itself to be part of a large Ukrainian family. It is time to restore historical justice, ”said Kadyrov.
    Beaver, exhale.
    This is a joke from Ramzan Akhmatovich. True, they say that after this joke in the government buildings of Ukraine they began to chew not ties but shoes, but to the phrase of the Glavtatarin of Crimea:
    “We proceed from the premise that our right to self-determination is undoubtedly natural and is based on international documents. I have no doubt that one of the first who should respond to our document should be the Ukrainian parliament. I don’t know if the Russian parliament will respond ”. They hinted that for the Crimean Tatars today, on the day when they wanted to announce their referendum on independence, only "Subscriber is not a subscriber" was playing all day
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 31 March 2014 21: 48
      +5
      Among the respected Chechens, a Frenchman occupies a special place, well, you understand who I mean. This is the red-headed dude who became an honorary Udmurt, Mordvin, and generally an honorable Russian. It must be sent to negotiate with Mustafa. Maybe Zhora will calm the Crimean Tatars, make friends with them. and they will give him an apartment in Bakhchisarai, he will finally marry.
  30. Grbear
    Grbear 31 March 2014 20: 15
    +7
    What are you upset? The coordinator fulfills the money. The Tatars do not want to move for the second time and have already announced this. They even refused territorial-cultural autonomy, not to mention the referendum.
  31. Sergg
    Sergg 31 March 2014 20: 18
    +5
    Mustafa Dzhemilev


    An idle talk, it is of little interest to residents of the Crimea, a given citizen of Ukraine will be held criminally liable for his language with a long term of imprisonment.
  32. Refugee from Kazakhstan
    Refugee from Kazakhstan 31 March 2014 20: 21
    +2
    Tatars are the same everywhere, business comes first! They are unlikely to endanger. And the West will rather wishful thinking!
  33. alex47russ
    alex47russ 31 March 2014 20: 22
    0
    Where did the Tatars, radical Islamists come from?
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 31 March 2014 21: 52
      +1
      Where will young people go without education, craft, culture, work spirituality?
      So they find trouble on their own head. Every guy wants to assert himself, to realize himself. Someone goes into business, studying, someone about in bandits ...
  34. MLC 56
    MLC 56 31 March 2014 20: 22
    +1
    Putin. V.V. I think I’ve brought order to Chechnya and the Tatars will calm down, although they don’t show any ogresiya. So all this is a provocation.
  35. individual
    individual 31 March 2014 20: 23
    +3
    It is necessary to replace the green polite little men in Crimea with the swarthy polite men from Grozny.
    Let them take an interest in local Wahhabis and check their "pure Islam" for lice.
  36. Volgarr
    Volgarr 31 March 2014 20: 25
    +6
    With the Crimean Tatars do not have to be crazy! They will perceive attempts to negotiate with them as weakness! For violation of Russian laws it is necessary to punish not cruelly, but cruelly, and consider that among them a large number of Turkish agents since the sunset of the USSR, I saw a documentary about this in 89-91.
    1. Loki
      Loki 31 March 2014 20: 47
      -19%
      they seem to act like the Crimeans - you supported the "people of Crimea" in their striving for self-determination. Why now the Tatars cannot self-determine from Crimea? Or get autonomy? This is absolutely Russian argumentation, if you don’t understand you have a right, tomorrow they have no right. In theory, if a part of Ukraine was allowed to self-determine, why was not a part of Crimea allowed? And another question - Russia insists on the federalization of Ukraine, based on the fact that there are contradictions between the regions and nationalities there. Why, then, is against the federalization of Crimea - is there exactly the same problem?
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 31 March 2014 22: 01
        +8
        Dear Loki, my grandfather from the family of "enemies of the people" at 47 returned from the war on crutches. So he hit me once in my life: a neighbor complained that I was an 8-year-old boy who picked a twig from a cherry in his front garden. It was a shame for him. And he also said: a good neighbor is closer to a relative. Tatars were given seats in the Crimean government in proportion to the population? Or not?
        Are there three state languages ​​in Crimea? Who are more Tatars or all the rest?
        Tatars forbidden to work in the civil service, they somehow oppress?
        What do you propose to everyone to move out and stay to the Tatars? You have to live peacefully with your neighbors. The Russians will not allow in the Crimea to host American agents of influence, Bendera, fascists and other banderlogs, even if they turn out to be Tatars too. This must also be reckoned with.
        1. Loki
          Loki 31 March 2014 23: 34
          -9
          Well, if you focus on the article, then they just did not give a place in proportion, they promised 20% representation in the authorities, and immediately refused the referendum. But again, the essence of my post is not the point. And the fact that the Crimean Tatars apply exactly the same argument that Russia used to provide legal justification for the separation of Crimea from Ukraine and further steps. What they are actually doing is putting Russia in a situation where it must deny the legitimacy of the actions on the basis of which it has just annexed Crimea. If Russia considers it legally justified to separate this or that territory from the country on the basis of self-determination of the people living in this territory, then Tatars automatically have such a right. As with any nation that inhabits Russia, this is all done with a far-reaching aim, including the creation of similar situations in Russia. If Russia now denies the right of the Crimean Tatar people to self-determination or autonomy - then all the arguments in Crimea are illegal and gives the right to the so-called international community not to recognize the annexation of Crimea and, moreover, to absolutely restrict Russian activities in this territory. This is already being done on a small scale - on visas - to Crimean residents EU visas can only be issued in Ukraine. But they can go further - for example, prohibit the passage of ships through the Bosphorus on the grounds that they are based illegally on the territory of Crimea. Or, at the request of Ukraine, confiscate merchant ships with postscript to Crimea, etc. There are a lot of options. That is, a situation is created when Russia itself must deny the legality of the annexation of Crimea and the legality of the referendum and the right to self-determination.
          1. dmikras
            dmikras April 1 2014 00: 26
            +1
            so it’s not the people who speak, but it’s not clear who
            Yes, and from you a provocateur for a mile away smells like answering a subscriber after an hour and a half trying to show his own provenance
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          3. nomad74
            nomad74 April 1 2014 01: 22
            0
            Quote: Loki
            Well, if you focus on the article,


            If you focus on your flag, then you should be concerned about the problems of your country, And leave our problems to us to solve!
            1. Loki
              Loki April 1 2014 02: 00
              -1
              If you focus on your flag, then you should be concerned about the problems of your country, And leave our problems to us to solve!


              So they care about me. I see that Russia is becoming a problem and a threat to my country, including due to peculiar behavior. Therefore, I am interested in both rhetoric and reactions to certain actions. Plus, because in conjunction with you in this matter, Armenia - I wonder what it will come up with for it.
      2. Dym71
        Dym71 31 March 2014 23: 01
        +1
        Quote: Loki
        they seem to act like the Crimeans - you supported the "people of Crimea" in their striving for self-determination.

        The Russian Federation supported the choice of the peoples of Crimea (feel the difference not "the people of Crimea", as you write, but the peoples of Crimea - including the Crimean Tatars)

        Quote: Loki
        Why now Tatars cannot self-determine from Crimea? Or get autonomy?

        What is needed already? 23 years, so they lived - didn’t grieve in the ARC, but when they returned to Russia, it immediately became unbearable without self-determination?

        Quote: Loki
        And another question - Russia insists on the federalization of Ukraine

        Please give a link to read where Russia insists.
        1. Loki
          Loki 31 March 2014 23: 45
          -7
          The Russian Federation supported the choice of the peoples of Crimea (feel the difference not "the people of Crimea", as you write, but the peoples of Crimea - including the Crimean Tatars)


          Legally, several peoples cannot determine themselves in one territory. And that is why the term "people of Crimea" was used. For example, the Russians in the Crimea do not have such a right legally - because they have already self-determined in Russia. But the Crimean Tatars have - they have not yet defined themselves anywhere. Therefore, the term "people of Crimea" is used - i.e. a new people has been invented, which can determine itself.

          What is needed already? 23 years, so they lived - didn’t grieve in the ARC, but when they returned to Russia, it immediately became unbearable without self-determination?


          It may be by the way. They didn’t live in Ukraine, but in Russia they could feel a threat to their rights and freedoms - therefore they want to secure their rights legally - within the framework of autonomy. Russia and Ukraine have different laws - they might like Ukrainian, Russian may not like.

          Please give a link to read where Russia insists


          http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/03/31/n_6048513.shtml

          reference to Sergey Lavrov - there are hundreds of them in nete, in one form or another
          1. dmikras
            dmikras April 1 2014 00: 34
            +3
            97% of the population, including the Tatars, do not understand why all of a sudden you worried about them, voted FOR accession to the Russian Federation
            and answer again heroically after 1,5 hours
            "hero zh.p.a. with a hole" nothing more to say about you
            1. Loki
              Loki April 1 2014 01: 54
              -4
              firstly, not 97% of the population, but 97% of those who voted. Moreover, at least according to the statements of the Tatars, the referendum was boycotted or ignored. I took care, because it is interesting why you assign some rights to the Russians, but deny exactly the same rights to the others. And as I understand it, it’s not only interesting for me - the Tatars, too, and as I understand it, they intend to poke your nose on this issue. And I’m also interested in your abrupt change of priorities — yesterday they so heartfeltly and pitifully resented — oh God, the unfortunate Russian minority is being oppressed, the National Bolsheviks are repressing them there, they are threatening their lives — they can be saved immediately, and as soon as the Tatars hinted at the same rights, they are ready to and send to Siberia, and Kadyrov to let them go, and shoot, and repress, etc.


              Second, what is the connection with the response time and meaning? You probably have - if you're here at work. But do not equal yourself. If it's very interesting - then I wrote a post, then went home from work, had dinner, watched TV - and only then looked what they wrote in the subject, including in response to my post and answered accordingly. According to your logic, if you don't answer right now, this means that you are a "hero of a zh.op.a. with a hole"?
          2. Dym71
            Dym71 April 1 2014 11: 02
            +1
            Please give a link to read where Russia insists


            http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/03/31/n_6048513.shtml

            Hello to you. I went to the site by your link and read in black and white:
            "We agree that it is all the same for the Ukrainians to decide, no one will be able to impose a scheme on them," Lavrov stressed, and the fact that the author called his article "Lavrov insists on the federalization of Ukraine following negotiations with Kerry" is his , the author, a personal matter!
  37. pensioner
    pensioner 31 March 2014 20: 29
    +1
    Interesting article Thank you to the author. But I did not understand: what to expect from the Wahhabis in the Crimea? After all, national-territorial features are still present or all Wahhabis are the same in their manifestations, wherever they are? And what will be the measures to counter Wahhabism precisely in the Crimea? On their part, will it be very unwise to openly oppose themselves to Russian laws and state institutions protected by the state with all its power? Maybe someone is a specialist in such matters? Explain - I will be grateful! hi
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 31 March 2014 21: 53
      +4
      Quote: retired
      And what will be the measures to counter Wahhabism precisely in the Crimea?

      Article 282 part 1 and part 2 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Yuri hi !
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  38. delfinN
    delfinN 31 March 2014 20: 30
    +5
    Russia plans to deploy the previously disbanded Vostok battalion in Crimea along with its families on a permanent basis.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 31 March 2014 20: 37
      0
      Where does infa come from? Share
      1. delfinN
        delfinN 31 March 2014 20: 55
        0
        http://www.ostro.org/general/society/news/441406/
  39. onegin61
    onegin61 31 March 2014 20: 32
    0
    At the slightest manifestation, to build a steam locomotive and roads to Siberia. And all according to the law, for extremism, and all those who were nearby, sheltered, kept silent, did not interfere, did not report, the whole village went, teip, led by the mullah. " harsh, but this is the law, "impunity will give rise to lawlessness. And that would sit like mice, know who the boss is. The cat is always on the alert. The villain is vile and dirty, control is constantly required.
  40. Native grandfather
    Native grandfather 31 March 2014 20: 32
    +3
    Guys, what's the problem? Well, let these Wakhabites rock the boat. And what? Where will they go afterwards? From the "submarine" !!! After all, there is WATER all around !!!! Don't they (the Tatars) have enough brains to think about it?
  41. Dezinto
    Dezinto 31 March 2014 20: 33
    +4
    As far as I remember from the East battalion, the Georgians squeezed throwing off their ammunition on the run. So with all the ambiguous attitude towards Ramzan, he could help.
  42. indiggo
    indiggo 31 March 2014 20: 36
    +6
    it’s stupid to frighten us with Chechnya; they are only 15% in the Crimea, with a maximum
    50 thousand are opposed to the Russian Federation, and no more than 5-10 thousand are ready to fight. At the same time, you need to understand that there are also Tatars in Crimea who hate Mustaf Dzhemilev, and if necessary, they can be safely used. if someone does not know Mustafa Dzhemilev is the man who killed and beaten all the dissatisfied Tatars, many Tatars paid tribute to him. so you can absolutely not be afraid of him. especially
    Europe is not ready to support him, the maximum is moral ...
  43. sv68
    sv68 31 March 2014 20: 36
    +2
    Dzhemilev will have to ask if he wants to make a hajj to polar bears. Otherwise, someone who has crept in unnoticed will come and the air will become much cleaner in the Crimea
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 31 March 2014 22: 03
      +1
      But why wait, you need help with polar bears. Well, let there he command white bears on ...
  44. Mikros
    Mikros 31 March 2014 20: 40
    +2
    Actually for this reason, Comrade Stalin had questions for the Tatars. It’s bad that such a fly in the ointment will affect all the people. And maybe it won’t tell, the uncle was always a rotten victim.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 31 March 2014 20: 49
      +2
      The Leader had questions to individual representatives of this nation. Is everyone aware of the Akhmet Khan of the Sultan?
      1. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich 31 March 2014 22: 11
        +2
        Quote: Den 11
        The Leader had questions to individual representatives of this nation. Is everyone aware of the Akhmet Khan of the Sultan?

        Amet-Khan Sultan was born in the city of Alupka, now the Yalta City Council of the Republic of Crimea, into a working-class family. The father is a lak (originally from the village of Tsovkra in Dagestan), his mother is Crimean Tatar. In 1937, he graduated from 7 classes and entered the railway school in Simferopol. After graduation, he worked as a mechanic at a railway depot in Simferopol. At the same time he studied at the flying club, which he successfully graduated in 1938...C. (Http://osman9.livejournal.com/903072.html)
        So Ahmet Khan is more Dagestan than Krymchak ...
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 31 March 2014 22: 50
        +1
        Quote: Den 11
        Is everyone aware of the Akhmet Khan of the Sultan?
        Good night Denis! But there was another fighter pilot
        from the Crimean Tatars-GSS. True, he received the Hero after the war. Unfortunately, I don’t remember my last name, I remember that he was directly at the front until the 42nd, and then his regiment was transferred to Moscow’s air defense and therefore he no longer fought in front-line aviation. But the scouts chased until the 44th. But here the surname fell out completely! And he seems to have been an L.-tester after the war ...
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 April 1 2014 00: 22
          +1
          Hi Yura! Wrinkle your mind-remember.
          1. pensioner
            pensioner April 1 2014 00: 48
            +1
            Once again: Good night! Everything is easier. Just 5 years ago I bought a book of his memoirs. Reprint from the 60s (sort of ...). So-so-so pretty. I’m at home somewhere. But even after moving to a new apartment, I still did not disassemble the boxes of books ... And I have a lot of books - OOOOO-oo-oo ...
        2. pensioner
          pensioner April 1 2014 00: 52
          +1
          If you are still alive, then I am ready for your health! fellow Well, you understand ... Your wife finally lost her scent! fool Hid the bubble in winter clothes ... repeat
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 April 1 2014 01: 08
            0
            laughing My once hid in boots on the balcony. Everything, I'm on the side, hissing already
            1. pensioner
              pensioner April 1 2014 01: 15
              +1
              How did you get the "right" ones !! Well, okay ... Advice, yes love! And the best dreams! Be healthy Denis!
  45. demoniac1666
    demoniac1666 31 March 2014 20: 43
    0
    They no longer know which side to bite, pugs, there is a crisis of ideas in the enemy camp! Tatar map did not play in the referendum, will not play now!
  46. PATRIOT 13
    PATRIOT 13 31 March 2014 20: 44
    +1
    I think Vova will have enough iron in the eggs, so that in the bud, in the very beginning, you will survive these demons to the ground ... Kadyrov has long been eager for battle .. give him the go-ahead and believe me, he will gladly show what it means to be a warrior of Allah .. and in general .. quicker it is necessary to bring down the Anglo-Saxon system .. then this scum will have nothing to feed and arm .. and for Allah alone they will not go to fight .. for there is neither Faith, NO CONSCIENCE .. Stalin knew what he was doing .. Vova now the world has presented in advance, and they are ungrateful pigs .. sale little souls!
  47. Homo
    Homo 31 March 2014 20: 46
    +4
    Mustafa Dzhemilev, one of the leaders of the Crimean Tatars, said in an interview with British journalists that Russia risks getting a repeat of the bloody Chechen conflicts.

    What is he talking about? It seems that it’s not d.u.r.a.k., but it carries complete nonsense!
    Firstly, what bloody conflicts (Putin is not Yeltsin, and the army is already different).
    Secondly - according to the results of the Crimean referendum, how many percent of the Tatars are against Russia?
    Thirdly, as soon as some kind of group openly recognizes itself as Wahhabi, they will immediately move (but not to Kazakhstan but to Siberia).
    Fourth, who is Mustafa Dzhemilev? If he is a citizen of Russia, then why is he sitting in the parliament of another country, if he is a citizen of Ukraine, then why is he conducting political activities in Russia without permission (neither the party is registered, nor the social movement, nor an NGO-foreign resident)?
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 31 March 2014 21: 42
      +1
      Quote: Homo
      What is he talking about? It seems that it’s not d.u.r.a.k., but it carries complete nonsense!

      I think so: what they ordered is what they carry. He just has not yet entered that the Russian Federation is not Ukraine, where they were groomed to spite us. I can assume that the prosecutors have already prepared a request for him)
    2. Lelek
      Lelek April 1 2014 00: 28
      +4
      And he is from the kind of Makarevichs, Kasyanovs, Navalny, Nemtsovs, etc. .. Therefore, you need to treat him like the aforementioned freaks-degenerates. bully
  48. datur
    datur 31 March 2014 20: 46
    0
    author -> author -> author burns, but seriously, the very battles of the GRU GSH will solve this problem - and very quickly and decisively (stagnated) however !! ---- you can dislike them (like perfume) - - but they are the most combat-ready, loyal, and simply the most respected troops in the Caucasus !!!! By the way, if they took the oath, then everything is no more for anyone --- and these Janissaries took an oath to R. KADYROV - that is, to us !!!! laughing
  49. demoniac1666
    demoniac1666 31 March 2014 20: 46
    +1
    Quote: Refugee from RK
    Tatars are the same everywhere, business comes first! They are unlikely to endanger. And the West will rather wishful thinking!

    I agree to all the service stations !!! good
  50. Azat Babai
    Azat Babai 31 March 2014 20: 56
    +8
    At one time, our elder Mustai Karim wrote: “Elder brother! .. Your great heart beats with passionate love for the younger ones. Your language - the language of fighters and sages - has become the first language of the peoples. The conscience of the world speaks Russian. ” And also “Not Russian, but Russian. Now I say, free and strong; I grew up like a green oak on the top, I got drunk with the water of Russian rivers. ”
    1. Mih
      Mih 31 March 2014 22: 03
      0
      At one time, our elder Mustai Karim wrote; “Elder brother!
      If he wrote, he is a decent person. To cut off heads is shit. !!!!
    2. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 31 March 2014 22: 21
      +2
      Quote: Azat Babay
      At one time, our elder Mustai Karim wrote: “Elder brother! .. Your great heart beats with passionate love for the younger ones. Your language - the language of fighters and sages - has become the first language of the peoples. The conscience of the world speaks Russian ”

      Must Karim is the great son of the Bashkir people and a very wise man! His memory will always be in the soul of the people!