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"Satan" could bring a warhead to Mars

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"Satan" could bring a warhead to Mars



For a beginner, the launch of the most powerful of the existing intercontinental ballistic missiles in the world, SS-18 Satan, invariably turns into disappointment.

Half a day you are shaking a passing transport "board" to Baikonur. Then you dance at the observation point for a couple of hours, trying to warm up under the penetrating Kazakh steppe wind (for 45 minutes before the start, the security service completely blocks the traffic on the roads of the landfill, and after that you will not get there). Finally, the prelaunch count is complete. Far at the edge of the horizon, a tiny pencil jumps out of the ground like a little devil from a snuffbox, hangs for a split second, and then rushes skyward in a shining cloud. Only a couple of minutes later you are covered with echoes of heavy roar of cruise engines, and the rocket itself is already sparkling at the zenith of a distant asterisk. A yellowish cloud of dust and unburned amyl heptyl settles above the launch site.

All this cannot be compared with the majestic leisurely launch of peaceful space rocket carriers. In addition, their launches can be observed from a much closer distance, since oxygen-kerosene engines, even in the event of an accident, do not threaten with the destruction of all life around. With "Satan" otherwise. Looking at the photo and video of the launch again and again, you begin to understand: “My mom! It's absolutely impossible! ”

Jumping "Satan"

So the creator of “Satan”, the designer Mikhail Yangel and his fellow rocket engineers, initially reacted to the idea: “So that 211 tons“ jump out ”from the mine ?! It is impossible! ”In 1969, when the Yuzhnoye design bureau, headed by Yangel, began work on a new heavy missile, the Р-36М, the“ hot ”gas-dynamic start was considered the normal way of launching from the mine launcher . Of course, some experience in designing “products” using a “cold” (“mortar”) start has been gained. Yangel himself experimented with him for almost 4 of the year, developing the RT-20P missile that was not accepted for service. But after all, RT-20P was "ultralight" - just 30 tons! In addition, it was unique in its layout: the first stage was solid fuel, the second was liquid fuel. This eliminated the need to solve the puzzling problems associated with the "mortar" start of guaranteed first stage ignition. Developers of the P-36M launcher, Yangelya, from St. Petersburg TsKB-34 (now Spetsmash) first categorically rejected the very possibility of a “mortar” launch for a liquid-fuel rocket weighing more than 200 t. decided to try.

I had to experiment for a long time. The developers of the launcher were faced with the fact that the mass of the rocket did not allow the use of conventional means for its cushioning in the mine - giant metal springs on which its lighter counterparts rested. The springs had to be replaced with the most powerful shock absorbers using high-pressure gas (in this case, the damping properties should not have decreased over the entire 10-15-year missile life cycle). Then came the turn of development of powder pressure accumulators (PAD), which would throw this colossus to a height of at least 20 m above the top edge of the mine. The whole 1971 year at Baikonur was carried out unusual experiments. During the so-called “throwing” tests, the “Satan” mass-dimensional mock-up, filled with neutral alkaline solution instead of nitrogen tetroxide and asymmetric dimethyl hydrazine, flew out of the mine under the action of PAD. At the height of 20, powder accelerators were activated, which pulled off the pan from the rocket, covering its main engines at the time of the “mortar” launch, but, of course, the engines themselves did not start. “Satan” was falling to the ground (into a huge concrete tray specially prepared near the mine) and smashed to smithereens. And so nine times.

And anyway, the first three real starts of the P-36M, under the full program of flight design tests, were emergency. Only for the fourth time, February 21 1973, the “Satan” managed not to destroy its own launcher and fly to where it was launched - to the Kamchatka Kura test site.

Rocket in a glass

Experimenting with the "mortar" start, the designers of "Satan" solved several problems. Without an increase in the starting mass, the energy capabilities of the rocket increased. It was also important to reduce the vibration loads that are inevitably caused by a gas-dynamic start on a rocket taking off. However, the main thing was still increasing the survivability of the entire complex in the event of the first nuclear strike by the enemy. Adopted by the new P-36M located in the mines, which previously stood on duty their predecessor - heavy missiles P-36 (SS9 Scarp). More precisely, the old mines were used in part: the exhaust ducts and grids required for the gas-dynamic start of the P-36, “Satan” were useless. Their place was taken by a metal power “glass” with a depreciation system (vertical and horizontal) and launcher equipment, into which a new rocket was loaded right in the factory transport and launch container. At the same time, the security of the mine and the missile located in it from the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion increased by more than an order of magnitude.

Disabled brain

By the way, “Satan” is protected from the first nuclear strike not only by its mine. The device of the rocket provides for the possibility of unimpeded passage through the zone of an air nuclear explosion (in case the enemy tries to cover the R-36М positional base area with them in order to remove the “Satan” from the game). Outside on the rocket there is a special heat-shielding coating that allows to overcome the dust cloud after the explosion. And so that the radiation does not affect the operation of the onboard control systems, special sensors simply turn off the “brain” of the rocket as it passes through the explosion zone: the engines continue to work, but the control systems are stabilized. Only after leaving the danger zone do they turn on again, analyze the trajectory, introduce corrections and lead the rocket to the target.

Unsurpassed launch range (up to 16 thousand km), huge combat load in 8,8 t, up to 10 individualized targeting warheads plus the most advanced missile defense system available today, equipped with a system of false targets - all this makes Satan scary and unique weapons.

For its latest version (P-36М2), even a breeding platform was developed on which 20 or even 36 warheads could be installed. But under the contract there could not be more than ten. It is also important that “Satan” is a whole family of rockets with subspecies. And each can carry a different set of payloads. In one of the variants (Р-36М) 8 warheads are placed, covered with a figure fairing with 4 protrusions. It looks like the 4 spindle is fixed on the nose of the rocket. In each, there are two warheads connected in pairs (bases to each other), which are already divorced over the target. Starting with the P-36MUTTH, which had improved the accuracy of guidance, it became possible to put the warheads weaker and bring their number to ten. They were fastened under the head fairing discharged in flight separately from each other on a special frame in two tiers.

Later, the idea of ​​homing heads had to be abandoned: they turned out to be unsuitable for strategic ballistic carriers because of problems entering the atmosphere and for some other reasons.

Many-sided "Satan"

Future historians will have to puzzle over what “Satan” really was - a weapon of attack or defense. The orbital version of its direct “progenitress”, the first Soviet heavy rocket SS-9 Scarp (Р-36О), put into service in the 1968 year, allowed to throw a nuclear warhead into near-earth orbit, to strike at the enemy on any turn. That is, to attack the United States not through the Pole, where American radars constantly monitored us, but from any direction that was not protected by tracking systems and missile defense systems. It was, in fact, an ideal weapon, the use of which the enemy could find out only when nuclear fungi would rise over his cities. However, already in 1972, the Americans launched a satellite group of missile attack warnings in orbit, which detected not the launch of the missiles, but the moment of launch. Soon Moscow entered into an agreement with Washington on the prohibition of the introduction of nuclear weapons into space.

Theoretically, “Satan” inherited these features. At least now, when it is launched from Baikonur in the form of a Dnepr conversion booster rocket, it easily takes payloads into near-earth orbits, whose weight is slightly less than the warheads installed on it. In this case, the missiles come to the cosmodrome from the regiment of the Strategic Missile Forces regiment, where they were on combat duty, in a standard configuration. For space programs, except for individual-targeting nuclear warheads, only induction engines do not work. When placing payloads into orbit, they are used as a third stage. Judging by the advertising campaign launched for the promotion of Dnipro to the international market of commercial launches, it can also be used for short-distance interplanetary transportation — cargo delivery to the Moon, Mars and Venus. It turns out that, if necessary, "Satan" can deliver there nuclear warheads.

However, all that followed the decommissioning of the P-36 история the modernization of Soviet heavy missiles seems to be evidence of their purely defensive purpose. The fact that the creation of the P-36M by the Yangel gave a serious role to the survivability of the missile complex confirms that it was planned to be used not at the first and even not at the retaliatory strike, but at the “deep” retaliatory strike, when the enemy’s missiles covered our territory. The same can be said about the latest modifications of “Satan”, which was developed by his successor, Vladimir Utkin, after the development of Mikhail Yangel. So in a recent statement by the Russian military leadership that the life of the "Satan" will be extended for another decade, there was not so much a threat as concern about the American plans to deploy a national missile defense system. And the regular launch from Baikonur of the conversion version of “Satan” (Dnepr missiles) confirms that it is in full combat readiness.
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  1. Canep
    Canep 18 May 2013 07: 36 New
    +4
    Apparently it can be used to protect the earth from meteorites, this is a more important problem. It’s just not to deliver a nuclear charge there (although it’s possible), but simply push it a little to fly by. I think Chelyabinsk will agree with me.
    1. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 18 May 2013 12: 01 New
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      Quote: Canep
      Apparently it can be used to protect the earth from meteorites, this is a more important problem. It’s just not to deliver a nuclear charge there (although it’s possible), but simply push it a little to fly by. I think Chelyabinsk will agree with me.


      Kina needs to watch less, read more. A meteorite that can be destroyed by a nuclear charge will burn itself when in the course of the atmosphere. A meteorite that does not burn can not be stopped by a nuclear explosion, it cannot even be rejected.
      1. bootlegger
        bootlegger 18 May 2013 12: 38 New
        +8
        But the laws of physics do not deny this possibility. Why a nuclear explosion can not give impetus to an asteroid as a result of which it passes Earth? This is just a matter of the weight of the asteroid, the distance to it and the power of the warhead affecting it.
        No matter how insignificant the impulse applied to the body, it can significantly change the trajectory, if there is a sufficient supply of time and distance.
        After all, if the warhead hits the asteroid and explodes at a certain depth, then the discarded part of the mass of the asteroid will create a reactive impulse. It does not matter in which direction, because the asteroid will change its speed and motion vector as a result of this. The earth also moves in outer space and the farther from it happens, the higher the probability will be to miss her.
        1. Nuar
          Nuar 18 May 2013 17: 02 New
          14
          in
          Quote: bootlegger
          it can significantly change the trajectory,if there is a sufficient supply of time and distance
          and where is his supply to take? Most of the space debris is ice or waste rock, practically invisible on radars. Reflectivity - also tends to zero. As a result, they are noticed mainly by amateur astronomers.
          There Chelyabinsk lump - generally unexpectedly surged.
          On the other hand, missiles, even with nuclear warheads, have an insignificant impulse to displace something from orbit. And in order for the changes in the orbit to miserable millimeters to have at least some effect - it is necessary to intercept in the Unknown Ebony (hereinafter NOT).

          What would NOT fly into these same ones - a rocket needs a time car (and after all, a space skitlets will travel all this time).

          Overall result: to intercept in NOT truly orbiting a wanderer - you need to find it somewhere behind the asteroid belt ... (we look at discussions about the probability of an event hi )
          1. bootlegger
            bootlegger 18 May 2013 17: 31 New
            +1
            The movement of large and dangerous asteroids, as a rule, is cyclical and calculated for decades to come. Small ones do not pose a serious danger to our civilization.
            Asteroid Apophis belongs to the group of atons, and approaches the Earth’s orbit at a point approximately corresponding to April 13. According to new data, Apophis will approach the Earth in 2029 at a distance of 38 km from the center of the Earth (according to other sources: 400 km [36], 830 km [9], 37 km] from it. After the radar observations [540], the possibility of a collision in 10 was excluded, however, due to the inaccuracy of the initial data, there was a chance of a collision of this object with our planet in 37 and subsequent years.

            So it’s not necessary to fly to Jupiter after them. You can watch for it, the same Apophis, somewhere near the Moon’s orbit in the year 29. And by 36 we’ll forget about him.
            1. MG42
              MG42 18 May 2013 17: 44 New
              +2
              Quote: bootlegger
              So it’s not necessary to fly to Jupiter after them. You can watch for it, the same Apophis, somewhere near the moon’s orbit in the year 29

              Rockets satan to 2019 years will remain in service? and Apophis will be held in 2029 and 2036, here they were also produced at Yuzhmash under the USSR, this is Ukraine.
              1. bootlegger
                bootlegger 18 May 2013 17: 50 New
                +1
                These rockets are liquid fuel. Their resource will be extended more than once by replacing only fuel in them.
                The crucial point is important. The main thing is that it is possible, and with what rocket and in what year the details ....
                1. MG42
                  MG42 18 May 2013 17: 55 New
                  0
                  Perhaps Munchausen pulled himself by the hair out of the swamp and flew to the moon on a cannonball. I bring you real facts and you fiction in return.
                  1. bootlegger
                    bootlegger 18 May 2013 18: 00 New
                    +1
                    The real facts, are these movies from YouTube with a set of stamps?
                    1. MG42
                      MG42 18 May 2013 18: 03 New
                      0
                      Give your links, you can video, go ahead ...
                      1. bootlegger
                        bootlegger 18 May 2013 18: 11 New
                        +1
                        Why do I need links? I am confident in my words, I have the appropriate education. I justified everything logically, refute it. You can give formulas, I understand ...
                      2. MG42
                        MG42 18 May 2013 18: 22 New
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                        Scientists all over the world are working on this problem, you are the smartest here lol government ballistic rockets suggest throwing on asteroids when the last, small truth, a meteorite fell in Chelyabinsk who and when warned of its fall, and what measures were taken to prevent?
                      3. bootlegger
                        bootlegger 18 May 2013 18: 45 New
                        +2
                        And what do you compare the asteroid 15 meters across with Apophis? According to statistics, these fall once a year into the ocean.
                        Naturally, no one will warn you about such a trifle. Is there a difference in detecting a rocket or a bullet flying at you?
                      4. MG42
                        MG42 18 May 2013 18: 52 New
                        -1
                        How much can a question be asked winked = you didn’t confirm it in any way, write your article and post it, maybe <Star Wars> will appreciate it, or maybe not. hi
                        And correctly spelled the asteroid ApofiС, comrade <scientist>.
                      5. bootlegger
                        bootlegger 18 May 2013 19: 56 New
                        +3
                        A correctly posed question, often this is half the battle. I do not propose throwing these missiles at asteroids, I only see the technical feasibility of this.
                        I still don’t understand what technical parameters you have doubts about this task? Well, besides the spelling of the name of the asteroid, of course?
                      6. MG42
                        MG42 18 May 2013 21: 33 New
                        -1
                        Quote: bootlegger
                        I only see the technical feasibility of this.

                        But I do not see. There are simpler methods of solution than undermining a nuclear charge near an asteroid, who then calculates the trajectory where it will deviate after the explosion, go worse if it splits where the debris will fly then.
                        This topic is not about the near-science fiction of fighting asteroids.
                      7. bootlegger
                        bootlegger 18 May 2013 23: 13 New
                        +1
                        You have simplified ideas about the interaction of objects in outer space. You see everything as an attack by an airplane with a rocket and the consequences of this. In fact, celestial mechanics is more like a large space billiard in three dimensions plus gravity.
                        Asteroid possessing kinetic energy in megatons of TNT should be affected by devices comparable in energy parameters to it. What do you suggest?
    2. postman
      postman 18 May 2013 23: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: bootlegger
      replacing only fuel in them.

      fuel (components) do not need to be changed.
      The problem is corrosion of storage surfaces, fittings, electronics and construction
    3. max2188
      max2188 26 May 2013 13: 59 New
      0
      This fuel is terribly poisonous and eats up a rocket. So poisonous that a few drops on a chemical protection suit will lead to serious health problems if not fatal.
      And the suit itself eats up in a few seconds. So the resource of intercontinental missiles is not that big. It’s not a fact that part of the ssorov missiles will not explode at launch
  • old man54
    old man54 18 May 2013 18: 02 New
    +4
    Quote: bootlegger
    But the laws of physics do not deny this possibility. Why a nuclear explosion can not give impetus to an asteroid as a result of which it passes Earth? This is just a matter of the weight of the asteroid, the distance to it and the power of the warhead affecting it.

    Do not have a brain, gentlemen !!! On Earth, there are plenty of problems with the country's security and a possible global clash of nations, and you succumbed to the “fight” with the Amer’s bike with meteorites. :)) Nothing to do? there’s not much money to put into the treasury, since it is necessary to shoot rockets at meteorites? :) Laugh, by God!
    1. bootlegger
      bootlegger 19 May 2013 10: 17 New
      +1
      Nevertheless, the probability of such an event must be borne in mind and it must be possible to quickly respond to it. If it weren’t, if the Chelyabinsk meteorite is larger or denser, then it would explode not 30 km, but lower, and what would remain from Chelyabinsk after 400 kiloton explosion is a big question.
  • postman
    postman 18 May 2013 23: 49 New
    0
    Quote: bootlegger
    Why can't a nuclear explosion give impetus to an asteroid as a result of which it passes Earth?

    because there is no atmosphere in a vacuum, so you won’t get a blast wave, and you need to GET, and where you need to
    1. bootlegger
      bootlegger 19 May 2013 00: 28 New
      -1
      Missiles with probes on Venus, Mars and comets have been flying for decades. What is the difficulty of hitting?
      During the advent of 1986, Halley’s comet was the first comet to be investigated using spacecraft, including the Soviet Vega-1 and Vega-2, which provided data on the structure of the cometary nucleus and the mechanisms of comet and comet tail formation.

      I wrote above why it doesn't matter where to get.
      1. postman
        postman 19 May 2013 02: 06 New
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        Quote: bootlegger
        Missiles with probes to Venus, Mars

        orbits have been known since the birth of Christ. math is commonplace
        Quote: bootlegger
        and comets fly

        hit? (if the memory does not change at a distance of 100 km or more, "flew past"
        Quote: bootlegger
        Halley's comet with

        that's why she and Halley. Orbit has been known since its time.
        Meteorite (unknown): speed 20-70 (oncoming) km / s.
        detection (the celestial sphere, the speed of the em wave is finite and in the size of the Earth is “instantaneous”, on the basis of the moon’s orbit, it’s slow, the radar power, the fantastic size of the celestial sphere (if Tikhiy Oken can’t say that it’s 18 orders of magnitude larger), 200 000 km, pre-launch preparation, calculation of the trajectory (and the Earth is "spinning") .... plus. Late
        1. bootlegger
          bootlegger 19 May 2013 10: 01 New
          0
          What you wrote is true for meteorites less than 50 meters across. They are dangerous, but not critical for humanity. Even Apophis is not fatal, for that matter, but nevertheless its parameters are known and not at all from antiquity, but only since 2004 .Around Apophis flew in January 2013, therefore, the margin of time was 9 years.
          The effect of the explosion could vary depending on the composition of the asteroid, as well as the location and angle of impact. In any case, the explosion would have caused huge destruction on an area of ​​thousands of square kilometers, but would not have created long-term global effects like the “asteroid winter”
          .
          As for getting into the comet.
          Rosetta’s launch was scheduled for January 12, 2003. The goal of the research mission was the comet Virtanen.

          However, in December 2002, engine failure occurred during the launch of the Arian-5 launch vehicle [3].

          Due to the lack of reliability of the launch vehicle, the launch of the Rosetta probe was delayed [4], after which a new flight program was developed for it.

          The new plan included a flight to comet 67P / Churyumov – Gerasimenko, with a launch on February 26, 2004 and a meeting with a comet in 2014 [5]. After two canceled launch attempts, Rosetta was launched on March 2, 2004 at 7:17 UTC [2]. In addition to changing time and purpose, the mission has not changed much. As before, Rosetta should approach the comet and launch the Fila lander.

          Fila will approach the comet with a relative speed of 1 m / s and, when it comes in contact with the surface, will launch two harpoons, since the weak gravity of the comet is not able to hold the device, and it can simply bounce.

          After the landing, Fila will begin its scientific mission:

          determination of comet nucleus parameters;
          chemical composition research;
          the study of changes in comet activity over time.
          It is worth noting that the mission of Rosetta is very complex. Her flight includes many maneuvers in orbit using the gravitational field of the Earth and Mars, and even small deviations can affect the success of the mission.

          And the comet Churyumova - Gerasimenko was discovered on October 23, 1969 by Klim Churyumov in Kiev.
    2. MG42
      MG42 19 May 2013 03: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Postman
      because there is no atmosphere in a vacuum, so you won’t get a blast wave, and you need to GET, and where you need to

      Yes, contact is unlikely, with a non-contact explosion = the main damaging factor in a vacuum is radiation mainly from the X-ray range, it can be expected that only an asteroid will absorb it and a thermal explosion will occur, it all depends on the structure of the asteroid itself then.
      1. postman
        postman 19 May 2013 04: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Postman
        blast wave
        - shock course (apparently May affects winked )
        Quote: MG42
        mainly x-ray range

        And what about the body of 10 tons (Chelyabinsk), consisting of 000% iron, the rest of the stone can do x-ray radiation?
        (Elephant grains do more harm)
        Quote: MG42
        a thermal explosion will occur,

        And why is a thermal explosion?
        Well, not from ri.
        (even in coolant reactors the coolant does not heat up)
  • malkor
    malkor 19 May 2013 16: 55 New
    0
    I agree or it is possible to additionally warm meteotite with a nuclear explosion when it enters the atmosphere so that the lands reach smaller debris in order to reduce possible damage
    1. postman
      postman 19 May 2013 21: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: malkor
      it is possible to additionally warm meteotite with a nuclear explosion

      I doubt it ...
      Upon entering the atmosphere, the surface temperature of the meteorite: from 6000K (the sun is somewhere the same)
      10 000 000 kg !!! 60% (often) cobblestone of metal.
      Mankind is still insignificant even with climatic phenomena on its planet (Catherine?)
  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 20 May 2013 18: 28 New
    -1
    Too many warheads needed.
  • MG42
    MG42 18 May 2013 17: 01 New
    0
    Quote: Geisenberg
    Kina needs to watch less, read more

    Does Hollywood steers, such as the movie <Armageddon>, land on the surface of a meteorite, drill a well, lay a nuclear charge and undermine it? at the same time at a sufficient distance because not all large fragments will be burned then in the atmosphere >>> a surface explosion can only deflect a large object at a sufficient distance, fantastic for now. Space Shuttle minimizes to the United States.
  • postman
    postman 18 May 2013 23: 48 New
    0
    Quote: Geisenberg
    Kina needs to watch less

    right.
    You can only split it.
    But until NOBODY has learned to give central control and intercept objects with a speed of more than 8 km / s
  • max2188
    max2188 26 May 2013 13: 53 New
    0
    Not like rejecting, but getting into it with such a missile. An object flying at a speed of several tens of kilometers per second is a difficult target
  • MG42
    MG42 18 May 2013 16: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Canep
    Apparently it can be used to protect the earth from meteorites, this is a more important problem.

    how ballistic missile hit the meteorite? wassat
    1. bootlegger
      bootlegger 18 May 2013 17: 09 New
      +1
      I see no obstacles. It is ballistic only in this military use case. And to solve this problem with an asteroid, the rocket should gain a second cosmic speed. If it delivers 8 tons of warheads for 11000 km, then it will easily accelerate 1-2 tons to 11,2 km / s. Further, the forces of inertia and the laws of celestial mechanics will bring it to Mars or an asteroid.
      It is not easy, but doable.
      1. MG42
        MG42 18 May 2013 17: 24 New
        -1
        So I posted the video below, see how a ballistic missile for such purposes is not even considered by scientists, enough fiction.
        1. bootlegger
          bootlegger 18 May 2013 17: 42 New
          +1
          There is only the chatter of journalists and emotions. I have not heard anything specific.
      2. NickitaDembelnulsa
        NickitaDembelnulsa 18 May 2013 18: 17 New
        +3
        To reach an asteroid, a rocket has to go around the earth many, many times, gradually rising to higher orbits. But in order to destroy an asteroid you need to get into the orbit where it is supposed to destroy it. That is, at a very high altitude, otherwise the energy of the explosion along with the fragments will fall to the ground. The R-36orb missile would be capable of such a pier. It had an unlimited range, as it wound around the earth like a satellite. But there are no more such missiles. So you need to pray to all the gods that the asteroids pass us by)
        1. bootlegger
          bootlegger 18 May 2013 18: 26 New
          +2
          Ltd. Praise the Lord that scientists didn’t possess such a high level of knowledge 40-50 as you did. How would they, without knowing all this, launch research probes to the Moon, Venus and Mars? I don’t even know what to do if
          Quote: NickitaDembelnulsa
          the energy of the explosion along with the fragments will fall to the ground.
          1. NickitaDembelnulsa
            NickitaDembelnulsa 18 May 2013 18: 53 New
            0
            And what did you actually mean when citing the probes to the Moon, Mars, and Venus as examples?
        2. MG42
          MG42 18 May 2013 18: 28 New
          +1
          SS-18 Satan
          Maximum firing range, km 16000
          Minimum firing range, km 9250
          http://smartysmile.ru/news/sovershenstvo-satany/
      3. postman
        postman 19 May 2013 00: 06 New
        0
        Quote: bootlegger
        I see no obstacles

        Quote: bootlegger
        And to solve this problem with an asteroid, the rocket must gain a second cosmic velocity

        you first on Satan at least dial the first cosmic, and then on Mars.
        everything will require 7-7.5 tons of components.
        Then try to send the remaining spit to Mars
        ICBM R-7 (8K71PS) with the warhead removed(Satellite) launch weight 267000 barely lele delivered to SPOO Sputnik in bulk TOTAL 83,6 KG
        And you 200 tons of mbr already gathered on Mars and 2 KS and asteroids to shoot down
        1. Canep
          Canep 19 May 2013 05: 25 New
          -1
          Quote: Postman
          "Sputnik" weighing only 83,6 kg

          Add the hedgehog weight of the 2nd stage, which also went into orbit.
          1. postman
            postman 19 May 2013 12: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: Canep
            Add the hedgehog weight of the 2nd stage, which also went into orbit.

            do not understand.
            and what orbit did the second step enter?
            In terms of energy and weight characteristics, they only came to the possibility of a single-stage launch vehicle for light satellites on the NOOP.
            1. Canep
              Canep 19 May 2013 13: 33 New
              -1
              On the same as the satellite. They saw her from the ground because it is many times larger, and mistook it for a satellite. Sputnik-1 does not have its booster engines.
              1. postman
                postman 19 May 2013 21: 42 New
                0
                Quote: Canep
                On the same as the satellite

                She didn’t go anywhere, on the ballistic back, and burned out in the atmosphere.
                Tank from the Shuttle (ET STS-121) ALL time has been seen and filmed.


                But this does not mean that he is entering a low support orbit.
                The tank is discarded after approximately 8,5 minutes at height 113 km most of it burns in the atmosphere, and the remnants fall into the ocean


                Do not carry heresy
    2. MG42
      MG42 18 May 2013 17: 17 New
      +1
      An asteroid approaching the Earth. In 2029, Apophis must pass at a minimum distance of about 37 km (according to other sources: 500 km, 36 km, 830 km) from it. Various researchers estimate the mathematical probability of collision as 37 · 540−37 and 617 · 2,2−10. There is also a theoretical possibility of a collision in subsequent years, however, it is significantly lower than the probability in 5. Today, the probability of a collision in 2,5 is 10: 5
      Radio signals are sent to the asteroid by the 70-meter antenna of the Goldstone Deep Space Communications Complex in the Mojave Desert in southern California, and the 300-meter antenna of the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico receives the reflected signals. These measurements make it possible to determine the distance to Apophis with an accuracy of several meters and the speed of its movement with an accuracy of several millimeters per second, which will give an answer to the question of the future fate of the asteroid in terms of its meeting with the Earth.
      Detlef Koschny, head of the near-Earth objects department of the European Space Agency in Noordwijk, Netherlands, says: “At present, the probability that an asteroid will collide with the Earth in 2036 is approximately 1: 100000. In the near future, we will be able to significantly increase the accuracy of the forecast, that is, reduce the imaginary ellipse into which the trajectory of the asteroid should fit during the flight in 2036. But if the Earth is inside this ellipse, then we’re out of luck ”
      1. Canep
        Canep 18 May 2013 20: 23 New
        +2
        As you know, in order to bring cargo to near-Earth orbit, it is necessary to develop the 1st space speed (8 km / s), and to deliver cargo to other planets, you need the 2nd space speed (11,2 km / s). To deliver a gift to another continent, an ICBM accelerates it to speeds of about 7 km / s. That is, almost to the first cosmic speed. The speed to which a load can accelerate a rocket depends on its mass, with a decrease in the mass of the load the maximum speed increases. Applied to ballistic missiles: if the payload mass is reduced, then the acceleration speed of the cargo will definitely increase.
        With regard to the R-36M, the payload mass is 7,3 tons, while the firing range is 16000 km, which is almost half the equator. And the payload weight is 100 kg more than the weight of the TMA Union. If the “Union” is lightened by 1.5-2,5 tons, then “Satan” theoretically can accelerate it to the 1st cosmic speed, that is, put it into orbit. To accelerate to the second cosmic velocity, the weight of the cargo, I think, needs to be reduced by a factor of 2-3, that is, the cargo of 2.5 tons “Satan” can send to Mars (without providing landing and maneuvers).
        To correct the orbit of an asteroid, a cargo weighing 2.5 may be enough if you have a margin of time.In addition, you can make an acceleration block, attach it to the surface of the asteroid and, due to the energy of solar panels and an ion engine, tow a small asteroid where it is needed.
        1. MG42
          MG42 18 May 2013 20: 31 New
          +2
          Mistakes in such cases as with apophis cannot be allowed; you need to calculate everything exactly, undermining the nuclear charge near it is a gamble crazy no one will go for it. It is much easier to send the spacecraft, by the way, nasa began preparations in this direction, after the shuttle was abandoned.
          1. Canep
            Canep 18 May 2013 20: 48 New
            +1
            A nuclear warhead should not be sent to an asteroid if it is not known what it is made of, and whether it can split it. In any case, a margin of time is needed. If before the collision less than a month, then I doubt that at least something can be done. If the asteroid is more than 100 km in diameter, then in the foreseeable future we will not be able to somehow influence not its trajectory. The only good news is that there are few such asteroids and their trajectories are known.
            1. Ivanovich47
              Ivanovich47 18 May 2013 22: 53 New
              +2
              Satan, this is a club for the adversary. Get rid of the asteroid. But from the Western "partners" would be beaten off ... fool
            2. Stamp
              Stamp 20 May 2013 02: 38 New
              +3
              Quote: Canep
              If the asteroid is more than 100 km in diameter, then in the foreseeable future we will not be able to somehow influence not its trajectory.

              Such asteroids have not yet fallen to Earth; the specified apophis dimensions are 325 meters in diameter.
              To date, more than 170 large craters are known on the surface of the Earth, which are the places where celestial bodies fall. The largest crater for which it is very likely established an extraterrestrial origin is Wredefort in South Africa, with a diameter of up to 300 km. A crater formed as a result of the fall of an asteroid with a diameter of about 10 km more than 2 billion years ago.
              The second largest is Sudbury impact crater in the Canadian province of Ontario, formed when the comet fell 1850 million years ago. Its diameter is 250 km.
              On Earth, another 3 impact meteorite craters with a diameter of more than 100 km are known. The crash of Chixulub (Mexico) is associated with the fall of an asteroid, which served 65 million years ago as the cause of the Cretaceous-Paleogene extinction.
              Currently, scientists believe that celestial bodies, equal in size to the Chicxulub asteroid, fall to Earth about once every 100 million years. Smaller bodies fall to Earth much more often.
          2. Canep
            Canep 18 May 2013 20: 56 New
            +1
            Set Newton too minus for his laws, and Tsiolkovsky in addition?
    3. Ataman
      Ataman 18 May 2013 20: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: MG42
      How does a ballistic missile get into a meteorite?

      Replace the warhead with Bruce Willis! wassat
    4. postman
      postman 18 May 2013 23: 59 New
      0
      Quote: MG42
      How does a ballistic missile get into a meteorite?

      You can get there. in theory. Hardly ever.
      In the same way, cm-3s fall into an object with a speed of 8 km / s, or the Chinese mbr bring down the satellite (if the memory does not change to 8000 km)
      only there is no opportunity to intercept targets at such a speed (from 20 km / s)
      1. MG42
        MG42 19 May 2013 00: 07 New
        +1
        Apophis has a speed of 12,5 km / s, and SS-18 missiles will certainly not be there by that time, everything else is near-science fiction like pushing him with "Satan".
  • postman
    postman 18 May 2013 23: 46 New
    0
    Quote: Canep
    just push it a little bit

    How can one simply “push” an object flying at a speed of 20-70 (oncoming) km / s?
    moreover, weighing from 100 (they do not pose less threat) to 100 (there are no instrumental data on the approach) tons?
    ??
    1. MG42
      MG42 19 May 2013 03: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Postman
      How can you simply “push” an object flying at a speed of 20-70 (oncoming) km / s?

      Do they also offer to tow him? but certainly the rocket <satan> will not do for this. lol
      1. postman
        postman 19 May 2013 04: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: MG42
        Tu offer it also

        What is there just not offering ....
        Someone long ago in Pravda farted (by stupidity) about a warhead on Mars (by Satan), and wanders and wanders.
        I recommend to see the P-7 parameters (satellite) and the weight of 1 satellite.
        1. Canep
          Canep 19 May 2013 05: 12 New
          -2
          Quote: Postman
          How can one simply “push” an object flying at a speed of 20-70 (oncoming) km / s?

          Push to the side (change the velocity vector). If a year before the expected collision, an asteroid is pushed at a speed of 1 m / s, then in a year (1 m / s * 60 * 60 * 24 * 365 = 31449600), it will fly 31449 km from the initial point. I wrote above that I need a margin of time.
          1. postman
            postman 19 May 2013 12: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: Canep
            . If a year before the alleged collision, an asteroid is pushed at a speed of 1 m / s

            you confuse speed and acceleration (application of force).
            ====
            or it is necessary with a frequency
            Quote: Canep
            * 60 * 60 * 24 * 365 =
            60Hz during the year bullet than
            1. Canep
              Canep 19 May 2013 13: 42 New
              -2
              Quote: Postman
              you confuse speed and acceleration (application of force).
              Yes, it seems to me you did not learn mechanics at all. I’m chewing in more detail. If a force is applied to the asteroid that is transverse to its trajectory, which will accelerate it to a speed of 1 m / s in the transverse direction, then in a year the deviation from its trajectory will be:
              1m / s * 60sec * 60min * 24 hours * 365days = 31449600 meters, or 31499 kilometers.
              What side you soldered 60 Hz here?
              By the way, you can also disperse this asteroid by this value of speed or slow down its result will be the same, it will not collide with the Earth. The difference in the path traveled by the asteroid will be the same.
              1. postman
                postman 19 May 2013 21: 24 New
                +1
                Quote: Canep
                Yes, it seems to me you did not learn mechanics at all

                probably. Baumanka, Energomash.
                Quote: Canep
                What side you soldered 60 Hz here?

                at a frequency of 60 per minute, this was fun
                Quote: Canep
                1м/с*60сек*60мин*24часа*365дней=31449600 метра

                ===============
                I will not go into the formulas, try to insult you or doubt your knowledge of "mechanics".
                EXAMPLE SIMPLE (HOUSEHOLD):
                artillery shell, Weight 10 kg (average potassium = 10 000 g)
                Shot, flight at a speed of about 1000 m / s
                In the bushes somewhere around the flight path, Canep sits, with an air rifle.
                ALLOWED Canep has fantastic abilities (for our time): it gets from an aerial shot into a flying projectile (when it wants to go to the point where it wants)
                So air, let it be 1 gram (pulka) and speed 200 m / s (In principle, the ratio looks like: 10 000 kg and 20 km / s versus 1000 kg and 7 km / s)
                And now Canep BULLETS AND BULLETS on a projectile from pneumatics (with a frequency of 60 Hz).
                How? did the shell change its trajectory? What is the quo?
                1. MG42
                  MG42 19 May 2013 21: 31 New
                  +2
                  Minesweeper special multi-station operator understands everything and in mines and in tanks and missiles, compares himself with Korolev, copying along the way Wikipedia lol He blurted out from a flashlight to shoot Satan’s ICBM at asteroids and are discussing this crap.
                  1. postman
                    postman 19 May 2013 21: 46 New
                    +2
                    Quote: MG42
                    Minesweeper special multi-puncher

                    In mechanics and gravity, as well as in rocket science, it’s definitely NOT.
                    I don’t know about mines .... no
        2. Canep
          Canep 19 May 2013 05: 33 New
          -1
          A blank weighing 1 ton impacted at a speed of 10 km / s on an asteroid weighing 10000 ton at an angle of 90 degrees relative to its direction of motion will give it an impulse of 1 m / s. In most cases, a direct hit will not be required enough to be limited to a gravitational maneuver (a change in the motion vector of one object due to the gravity of another).
          1. postman
            postman 19 May 2013 21: 37 New
            0
            Quote: Canep
            movement will give it an impulse of 1 m / s.

            who would talk about mechanics ..
            Quote: Canep
            Yes, it seems to me you did not learn mechanics at all.

            The impulse "will be" in this case 1000 kg * 7000m / s = 7 million kg m / s! seemingly cool, but
            10 kg of cobblestone flying at a speed of 000 m / s (minimum, or even more) has a value of "amount of movement" = 000 BILLION kg m / s
            ALMOST 6 orders of magnitude (10 to 6 degrees) more
            LOAD. Until the loan day.

            Quote: Canep
            sufficiently limited to gravitational maneuver (a change in the motion vector of one object due to the gravity of another).

            Have you learned to control gravity?
            or is it 1000 kg warheads will change
            Quote: Canep
            motion vector of one object due to the gravity of another
            "motion vector" 10 kg of the object (000 orders of magnitude difference).
            GO- BEGIN THE BULLET FROM THE AIR BY THE ARTILLERY shell ...
        3. bootlegger
          bootlegger 19 May 2013 23: 18 New
          -1
          Well, remember! Still, P1 would be an example!
          We figured with Comrade Minesweeper:
          The Dnepr rocket, a civilian version of the P36 m, displays 3,7 tons of cargo on the NOO. These are its official characteristics. What is actually the first space velocity in a reference orbit.
          It turns out for an oxygen-kerosene engine in the last stage with an apparatus weight of 3,7 tons:
          The difference between the first and second space 11,2-7,9 = 3,3 km / s
          Next, we consider it as the third step according to the Tsiolkovsky formula.
          Vmax = V * Ln (Mo / Mk) where: Vmax - rocket speed; V is the effective flow rate of the combustion products from the nozzle of the rocket engine; Mo is the initial (starting) mass of the rocket; Mk is the mass of the rocket without fuel (at the end of the rocket engine in the active section of the rocket flight path)
          3300 m / s = 3600 m / s * Ln (x), where x = Mo / Mk.
          X is about 2,5. Therefore 2,5 = 3,7 / y
          Y = 1,48 tons.
          There are still gravitational and control losses. For the last stage they are about 3% of the speed. If the third stage is performed with a hydrogen-oxygen (V> 4000 M / SEC) engine, this is another 20% of the load.
          That is, about one and a half tons to the second space velocity can be accelerated.
          Further, having hit the asteroid, the warhead goes 50-100 meters below the surface and explodes and throws the layers located on top into space. Why not a jet engine?
          If the warhead is megaton, then the effect on the asteroid and its trajectory will be proportional to its total kinetic energy.
          Check the calculations ...
          1. postman
            postman 20 May 2013 03: 11 New
            0
            Quote: bootlegger
            Well, remember! Still, P1 would be an example!

            What to remember? I took pH with a comparable mass and yi.
            Quote: bootlegger
            We figured with Comrade Minesweeper:

            you do not abuse, and then have a friend C:
            1m / s * 60sec * 60min * 24 hours * 365days = 31449600 meters, or 31499 kilometers
            for some reason, the impulse is in meters (or km) and hammering with a frequency of 1 time per second (for some reason it takes a year, not ten, 100)?
            Quote: bootlegger
            Further, we consider it as the third step according to the Tsiolkovsky formula. Vmax = V * Ln (Mo / Mk)

            Use this one better:


            and in yours instead of V it is necessary to put a specific impulse, and this also works in the absence of other forces, with rectilinear motion and for a single-stage p.
            Quote: bootlegger
            If the third step is performed with hydrogen-oxygen (

            Follow ... on the Governor.
            Quote: bootlegger
            Further, having hit the asteroid warhead, it leaves 50-100 meters below the surface

            With a fright?
            Quote: bootlegger
            If warhead megaton , then the impact on the asteroid and its trajectory will be commensurate with its total kinetic energy.

            I can’t comprehend this phrase ......
            1. Canep
              Canep 20 May 2013 04: 43 New
              0
              You know about the Tsiolkovsky formula from Wikipedia, and not from the school physics course, Wikipedia made a mistake, the same Bauman specialists from the energy faculty wrote this article. If, according to the formula from Wikipedia, any rocket is calculated, then as a result of these calculations it will gain only 10% of its speed. And it makes no sense to use the formula to determine the total characteristic speed of a multi-stage rocket only for the third stage. And refute the bootlegger with calculations and not insults. I’m no longer participating in this educational program, but tell MG42 so that I don’t hide, it’s not manly. I have been a machinist ball for a long time now I am a leading design engineer.
              1. Canep
                Canep 20 May 2013 06: 41 New
                0
                Quote: Canep
                I have been a machinist for a long time

                Sorry - typo - "I was long ago"
              2. postman
                postman 20 May 2013 15: 00 New
                +1
                Quote: Canep
                You know about the Tsiolkovsky formula from Wikipedia,

                the picture is easier for me, all the more so using only a mobile phone
                Will arrange:
                B.E. Chertok
                Report at the annual XXXIII Academic Readings in Cosmonautics,
                dedicated to the memory of academician S.P. Queen
                (Moscow, January 26-30, 2009, MVTU named after N.E.Bauman)

                http://tvsh2004.narod.ru/space/33_korolev_chten_Chertok.html.html



                m0 is the initial mass of the aircraft (payload + apparatus design + fuel
                m1 is the final mass of the aircraft (payload + design);
                W is the specific impulse of the rocket engine (the ratio of engine thrust to second fuel mass flow rate).

                What has changed?
                http://www.math24.ru/rocket-motion.html


                Quote: Canep
                the same Bauman specialists from the energy faculty wrote this article

                you wash yourself a second time without a motivational crap. COMPLEX?
                Before you carry the crap, show your school physics teacher THIS:
                Quote: Canep
                1m / s * 60sec * 60min * 24 hours * 365days = 31449600 meters, or 31499 kilometers.

                and it
                Quote: Canep
                On the same as the satellite.

                LET CORRECT ASSESSMENT!

                Quote: Canep
                And it makes no sense to use the formula to determine the total characteristic speed of a multi-stage rocket only for the third stage

                Does the warhead fly without separating from the 3rd stage?
                Quote: Canep
                I’m no longer participating in this educational program, but pass MG42

                And good
                send it yourself. I DO NOT SECRETARY MG42, much less direct communication
                Quote: Canep
                I am a leading design engineer.

                I'm sad...
                1. Canep
                  Canep 20 May 2013 15: 26 New
                  0
                  This is written by Tsiolkovsky himself:
                  1. postman
                    postman 20 May 2013 16: 11 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Canep
                    This is written by Tsiolkovsky himself:

                    Cool. You have stolen a board from Konstantin Eduardovich or something (using his deafness) belay

                    Just be puzzled by the question, hu from V1?
                    ANSWER:THIS is the effective (or equivalent) flow rate,
                    that is, specific impulse (I, W, V1)
                    Equivalent flow rate (effective flow rate) -
                    conditional the rate of gas outflow from the jet nozzle, the value of which corresponds to the calculation of the actual value of the specific thrust of the jet engine, determined under the assumption that the pressure in the outlet section of the nozzle is equal to the ambient pressure.


                    and this is the formula of Meshchersky Ivan Vsevolodovich

                    is a generalization of Newton's second law for the motion of bodies of variable mass. The acceleration of a body of variable mass is determined not only by the external forces F acting on the body, but also by the reactive force Fp due to a change in the mass of the moving body

                    KE Tsiolkovsky did not compile and did not solve, in particular, the equation.

                    He did not even mention in any of his works about the law of rocket mass change - he simply did not understand this - and, of course, in the work under consideration he did not assume that it occurs according to the exponential (or linear) law, and he did not investigate “this class of rocket motion” at all. He simply used in his calculations the formula known from the school course in physics for equally variable rectilinear motion.
            2. bootlegger
              bootlegger 20 May 2013 11: 00 New
              0
              Quote: Postman
              With a fright?

              How with which? Concrete and anti-bunker bombs how do they work? The difference in speed between warhead and asteroid will be such that it will also have to be extinguished.
              Quote: Postman
              I can’t comprehend this phrase ...

              What is incomprehensible?
              If an asteroid has an energy of 100 megatons of TNT, then what can significantly change its trajectory? Only an impact comparable in energy.
              You yourself wrote, comparing the projectile and the pneumatic bullet that hit it, that the impact is possible only with comparable energies?
              As for the Tsiolkovsky formula, Minesweeper reminded me of it. This was at one of the general lectures at the Faculty of Engineering, in my “Theory of Flight,” Feodosiev seems to have read. Now the work is different, I completely forgot about it for 27 years.
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              2. postman
                postman 20 May 2013 15: 52 New
                +1
                Quote: bootlegger
                How with? Concrete and anti-bunker bombs how do they work?

                and what does this have to do with the Voivode’s warheads?

                Robert W. Nelson, "Penetrating Nuclear Warheads low power, "Science and Global Security, 10, No. 1 (2002): 1-20
                http://scienceandglobalsecurity.org/archive/2002/01/low-yield_earth-penetrating_nu.html
                Made of the hardest steel shell will not be able to withstand significant stresses from blows about the ground and collapse at speeds exceeding approximately 1 km / s. This limits the maximum possible penetration depth into reinforced concrete to approximately equal to four times the length of the projectile (about 12 m for a projectile of three meters length). In order for an underground explosion to be “locked up”, it should be carried out at a depth exceeding 90 CT1 / 3 m (CT - explosion power in CT).
                Total: will not go anywhere, will collapse in a collision (before initiation, much less, such a "complex" construction)
                Quote: bootlegger
                If asteroid has an energy of 100 megatons of TNT,

                And what does an asteroid have to do with it (are you going to shoot down an asteroid in a belt?)?


                Chelyabinsk: NASA estimates the diameter is 19.7 meters. entry to the atmosphere - 18,6 km / s, the blast power (in the atmosphere) - 500 kilotons (A LOT of ENERGY was spent in the upper atmosphere)
                http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/asteroids/news/asteroid20130215.html
                If you believe this data Ek (excluding rotational) = 1 902 780 000 000 000 J (kg · m² / s²) = 1.903 * 10 15 degree J (petajoule PJ PJ)
                ======
                A nuclear explosion in a vacuum is ineffective - there is no atmosphere, IMHO there is (practically) a shock wave), everything will "go" to the radiation. And what will radiation of a mixture of stones and iron do?

                Here is the "Trap" and try.
                “The European Commission has announced a competition for research work related to ensuring the Earth’s asteroid and comet safety. GREC Makeeva OJSC participates in the competition together with Russian and foreign colleagues and proposes the development of the Kaissa reconnaissance vehicle and the Kapkan spacecraft "for the detection and destruction of asteroids, - Makeev Center.
                1. postman
                  postman 20 May 2013 15: 53 New
                  0
                  Quote: bootlegger
                  that impact is possible only with comparable energies?

                  Well, I mean kinetic.
                  Of course, there is no explosion on the way or on the surface (if it is possible to synchronize) it will probably give something, maybe a split (only this is not an ice). If you can get there, only

                  The effect of a cosmic nuclear explosion with a power of 1 Mt in TNT equivalent (If the attacked object does not have appropriate protection. If there is protection, the radius of destruction will be less.)

                  up to 2 km = X-rays evaporate the body of the attacked warhead and it is destroyed
                  up to 2 km = The neutron flux causes a nuclear reaction and the plutonium melts in the attacked warhead
                  6,4 km = Gamma rays disable the semiconductor systems of the target
                  up to 160 km = loss of operation of electronic systems
                  several hundreds km = Cosmonaut death from penetrating radiation
                  1000 km = The maximum expansion radius of the plasma explosion products is 1 Mt. Short-wave radio interruption radius for 5 hours or more
                  1600 km = Range of registration of an electromagnetic impulse
                  BUT HOW DOES ALL THE ABOVE LISTED HARM A METEORITE OF 11000 TONS?

                  Quote: bootlegger
                  something that can significantly change its trajectory

                  Moon, Jupiter, Sun, Earth, or rather their gravitational field
  • mabuta
    mabuta 18 May 2013 08: 02 New
    +3
    Well, P-36 is still alive, and even in the zero ones: we sawed it all, drank it, we had a delay ... We just removed the warheads and they lie separately in the warehouses. You can say they are waiting in the wings, but it is better to drag another set into orbit.

    ps Chelyabinsk residents agree with you.
    1. Waroc
      Waroc 18 May 2013 14: 49 New
      +4
      Correct, in the title of the note there is an incorrect word "could", could not, but CAN. These missiles are in service - he personally served in the mid-2000s in the missile division at this complex (the division is currently on duty in full force) - the entire division is armed exclusively with this product (the most powerful division in the world !!!) - several dozen launchers (I won’t specify the exact number - you want to find the data on the network yourself).

      PS In addition to the Soviet name - Voivode, and the Amerian name - Satan, this product has another name - City Killer))) (One warhead, even very powerful, it is impossible to destroy a large city, and SS-18 = P-36 = PC- 20 is designed for 10 combat units and 40 false targets !!! and a blow is struck on the area - the result - there is nowhere to run, there is no salvation !!!)
      1. cumastra1
        cumastra1 18 May 2013 18: 30 New
        0
        were these missiles equipped with a dead hand system?
      2. ToLyanSter
        ToLyanSter 18 May 2013 23: 05 New
        0
        I watched a video on YouTube, and it said that only one SS-18 missile can completely destroy three American states at once, such as Maryland, Rhode Island and some other.
        Is it true?
        Here I saw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmuyxY5Ev54&feature=youtu.be&t=2m33s
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  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 18 May 2013 08: 15 New
    +1
    The situation with strategic nuclear forces is still quite good. And the desire of the likely adversary to sign a new agreement on their reduction is understandable ....... they are afraid.
  • SIBIR38RUS
    SIBIR38RUS 18 May 2013 08: 23 New
    +4
    Signed already once ... enough. Now, with incredible efforts, everything has to be restored back. It is a pity with the BZHRK the question has not yet been fully resolved whether they will or not.
  • mogus
    mogus 18 May 2013 08: 40 New
    +3
    Quote: SIBIR38RUS
    Signed already once ... enough. Now, with incredible efforts, everything has to be restored back. It is a pity with the BZHRK the question has not yet been fully resolved whether they will or not.


    BZHRK transferred to the Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering. I think we’ll also hear news on this topic.
    Irkutsk
    1. SIBIR38RUS
      SIBIR38RUS 18 May 2013 10: 16 New
      +2
      The good news is that they transmitted :) Not not Irkutsk ... In the north a little :) km so about 1000 :)
      1. mogus
        mogus 18 May 2013 13: 08 New
        0
        yeah, we have hundreds measured distances.
        I am the 75th.
  • Dima190579
    Dima190579 18 May 2013 08: 45 New
    +2
    "Satan" is a sonorous name. And even to people far from the Strategic Rocket Forces it is becoming clear that something is terrible and formidable.
    1. Gari
      Gari 18 May 2013 10: 09 New
      +2
      But I liked it
      It was, in fact, an ideal weapon, the use of which the enemy could learn only when nuclear mushrooms were already rising above his cities.
      Kingdom of Heaven
  • uzer 13
    uzer 13 18 May 2013 08: 59 New
    +3
    Satan is still a serious deterrent for some of our friends. It is necessary to carry out work on its further improvement, and not to argue that it is outdated and should be removed from service. The very fact of the existence of such a ballistic complex matters.
    1. Gari
      Gari 18 May 2013 10: 25 New
      +1
      About 6 years later, a new heavy intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), which will be able to overcome the American missile defense system, should come into service with the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia.
      This was announced at the beginning of September by the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia, Colonel General Sergey Karakaev.
      According to him, the development of a new rocket, which will be liquid, will end in 2018. The new missile will have to replace the heaviest ballistic missile in the world, the R-36M2 Voyevoda, known in the west as the SS-18 Satan.
      1. Ataman
        Ataman 18 May 2013 21: 01 New
        0
        It is highly doubtful that such a missile will be developed. Now there is a rearmament on Yarsy and the Mace. What is the purpose of developing a superheavy rocket and why use it?
  • e-froloff
    e-froloff 18 May 2013 09: 03 New
    +1
    She needs to shoot more often, so that they don’t forget and are afraid.
    1. postman
      postman 18 May 2013 23: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: e-froloff
      She needs to shoot more often, so that they don’t forget and are afraid.

      Then we will finally poison our country
  • k220150
    k220150 18 May 2013 09: 06 New
    -8
    Yangel died in 1970 at the age of 60, as Isaev - 64 years old, Herogy Babakin - 57 years old. Everyone died the same way - they lay down in the evening and did not get up in the morning. Plus Korolev - 1966, Gagarin - 1968, ... The State Security Committee of the USSR was engaged in the protection of state secrets.
    1. wax
      wax 18 May 2013 10: 38 New
      10
      Academician Aleksandrov A.P. died, having lived 91 years, Minister Srednemasha Slavsky E.P. - 93 years ... Something like that.
  • Gari
    Gari 18 May 2013 10: 21 New
    +6
    It's no secret that in the 60-70s the United States achieved overwhelming military superiority. America was far ahead of the USSR primarily in terms of nuclear weapons delivery vehicles. In the early sixties, the United States introduced a system of separating nuclear warheads. That is, one rocket could now cover a huge area. At that time, experts estimated the ratio between American nuclear power and ours as 17: 1 in favor of the Americans.

    Everything changed radically when in 1975, heavy missiles SS-18

    With its appearance, the Americans first felt their defenselessness, because from that moment the Soviet Union received an absolutely strategic advantage. Yes, what!

    Due to the fact that the SS-18 missile carries a large useful weight, it is equipped with a powerful system for breaking through the American missile defense (ABM). The American anti-aircraft complex on each separated warhead must spend from three to seven anti-missiles.

    But `` Satan '' also carries false head parts that “protect” the main nuclear head blocks. These false warheads are capable of 'fooling' modern means of tracking so much that the enemy has the full illusion that a real warhead with a nuclear charge is coming at him.
    So to meet each `` Satan '' Americans will be forced to release more than a dozen anti-missiles. But even in this case, part of the Satan warheads still breaks through to the target.
    There is no protection against the SS-18 rocket. They break through any missile defense.
    1. Gamdlislyam
      Gamdlislyam 18 May 2013 11: 58 New
      +6
      Quote: Gari
      It's no secret that in the 60-70s the United States achieved overwhelming military superiority. America was far ahead of the USSR primarily in terms of nuclear weapons delivery vehicles. In the early sixties, the United States introduced a system of separating nuclear warheads. That is, one rocket could now cover a huge area. At that time, experts estimated the ratio between American nuclear power and ours as 17: 1 in favor of the Americans.

      Dear Gari colleague, You are not quite right. Parity on the means of mutual destruction of the USSR and the USA reached the end of the 60s. That is why US politicians sat at the negotiating table with the USSR to limit these funds. The first sign was the "Anti-Ballistic Missile Defense Treaty" signed on May 26, 1972. He became the cornerstone for subsequent treaties to limit strategic nuclear forces.
      The USA strictly observed this agreement while there was parity between our countries. When, thanks to the liberals, he was gone, our sworn friends handed him over to mukulatura.
  • Voodoo
    Voodoo 18 May 2013 10: 40 New
    +4
    As far as I know, the designer of Satan is not Mikhail Yangel, but Vladimir Utkin. Together with brother Alexei, they also created the Scalpel BZHRK.
    1. Gari
      Gari 18 May 2013 11: 28 New
      +2
      Vladimir Utkin-On Yuzhmash and the Yuzhnoye design bureau created at the plant under the leadership of Mikhail Yangel went through all the steps from engineer to general designer. After the death of Yangel in 1971, he headed the Design Bureau. Vladimir Utkin took part in the creation of military missiles of all generations. Under his direct supervision, the Satan (15A18M) and Scalpel (15Zh52 and 15Zh60) nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles, as well as the Zenit-2 rocket (11K77), were developed.
    2. Apollo
      Apollo 18 May 2013 11: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: Voodoo
      As far as I know, the designer of Satan is not Mikhail Yangel, but Vladimir Utkin.


  • Ataman
    Ataman 18 May 2013 11: 12 New
    +1
    interesting article
  • vvvvv
    vvvvv 18 May 2013 11: 19 New
    +1
    Of course you can’t say that, but it’s a little pity that such a good thing is idle, so sometimes I would like to give her amer for their infinite impudence.
    Whoever writes there is no protection from her is mistaken, Satan is outdated and is knocked down. However, other unbreakable missiles took its place - YaRS, Topol-M, Bulava ...
  • old man54
    old man54 18 May 2013 18: 15 New
    +1
    the article is good, very positive and informative, thanks to the author!
  • Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 18 May 2013 19: 12 New
    +2
    The article is good, but we forget that every launch of the Dnieper is minus one Satan from combat duty. Replenishment is not and is not expected in the near future. Amer with great pleasure to pay for these launches. And on meteorites to bullet with ammunition full of nonsense.
    1. Ataman
      Ataman 18 May 2013 21: 06 New
      +1
      "Satan" is eternal only in mythology. Missiles expire. Using decommissioned missiles to launch satellites is the smartest solution.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 18 May 2013 20: 45 New
    0
    Western adversary brings to mind only a heavy club. Such a club was and is "Satan." It works perfectly sobering! Discussions, defensive or offensive, lose their meaning here (in my opinion). Cudgel, is it for defense or for attack? A club is needed for the enemy to respect! Time goes by, technology is aging. I learned from the news that it was decided to develop the "daughter" of Satan. I think that the daughter will be "prettier" mom!
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 18 May 2013 21: 10 New
    +1
    Great article. Many thanks to the author.
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  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 18 May 2013 21: 16 New
    +4
    9 May was at the Air Force Museum. I saw a unique plane. Keep in mind that he is from the 60 of the last century. The principles of controlling the device are the latest. But ... stands in a museum
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 18 May 2013 22: 59 New
      +3
      "Project 100", Dry T4, titanium, 500, or something, inventions. When the first time in the 80s a schoolboy saw him, he was simply dumbfounded.
      Sukhoi still had a "Project 200" T 4MS, Amerovsky B2 would nervously smoke aside.
    2. Canep
      Canep 19 May 2013 16: 06 New
      0
      The project was closed in favor of the Tupolev machine.
      1. Sun-faced
        Sun-faced 19 May 2013 20: 06 New
        0
        Which also had no tasks. A pile of expensive iron, with dubious combat effectiveness and low maintainability.
        1. svp67
          svp67 19 May 2013 20: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: Sun-faced
          Which also had no tasks. A pile of expensive iron, with dubious combat effectiveness and low maintainability.


          It’s good that you have tasks - periodically appear on the forum and “troll” until they are banned. I will repeat once again to you that any military equipment is created according to the approved technical task, where its necessary characteristics are specified, proceeding from the tasks that it should solve ...
    3. svp67
      svp67 19 May 2013 20: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      9 May was at the Air Force Museum. I saw a unique plane. Keep in mind that he is from the 60 of the last century. The principles of controlling the device are the latest. But ... stands in a museum

      And this is what appeared a little earlier in the USA
  • bublic82009
    bublic82009 18 May 2013 21: 52 New
    +1
    oh sorry for them and BZHRK cut
    1. Sun-faced
      Sun-faced 19 May 2013 20: 08 New
      0
      Not at all a pity. BZHRK absolutely unnecessary nonsense, which are able to ride only on strictly defined paths and not otherwise. The mobility and camouflage factor disappears.
      1. svp67
        svp67 19 May 2013 20: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: Sun-faced
        absolutely unnecessary nonsense
        The next time you can appear under this nickname, it matches you more
  • Zubr
    Zubr 18 May 2013 22: 51 New
    +2
    Of course, it’s very cool that we have it and we still have something we can do. THERE ARE ANOTHER "BERRIES IN THE BUTTERFLIES" .. smile It's a shame ONLY WHAT IT WAS FORCED TO DO IT IF IT WOULD NOT BE OUR POTENTIAL "PARTNERS" WITH ITS GEOPOLITICAL TASKS, ALREADY WOULD LIVE. AT LEAST, MAYBE US ABOUT FORCING YOURSELF BRAIN AND BODY DO NOT GROW WITH MOLD? .... what
  • ToLyanSter
    ToLyanSter 18 May 2013 23: 17 New
    -1
    In general, now our government is abandoning the SS-18 and replacing it with Topol-M. fool
    What for? request
    1. MG42
      MG42 18 May 2013 23: 24 New
      +6
      Poplars are replaced by yars, and SS 18 was produced by Ukraine in Dnepropetrovsk.
  • hiukoko
    hiukoko 19 May 2013 15: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: Canep
    Apparently it can be used to protect the earth from meteorites, this is a more important problem. It’s just not to deliver a nuclear charge there (although it’s possible), but simply push it a little to fly by. I think Chelyabinsk will agree with me.

    It remains to learn how to scan the space around in all planes. What a trifle, chesslovo.
    1. Canep
      Canep 19 May 2013 16: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: hiukoko
      It remains to learn how to scan the space around in all planes
      Yes, no one sets aside any money for it. You +
  • SPACE
    SPACE 19 May 2013 16: 53 New
    +1
    Good article on a good rocket. And yet, in no case can not refuse such a rocket. With such performance characteristics and terms of proven combat duty in 30-40 years, nothing can be compared with it, therefore such a missile is not only not old, but the most modern and necessary. I consider it necessary to resume the production of this missile, at least one per year, and it is imperative to keep at least fifty such missiles on alert.
    1. alex86
      alex86 19 May 2013 22: 12 New
      +1
      I would even say that under this case, try to resume its production in Ukraine, but I'm afraid that 1. there is nothing left of production 2. ours will not agree 3. The United States will do everything to prevent Ukraine from agreeing. And we start production, as I understand it, is unrealistic ...
  • I think so
    I think so 19 May 2013 18: 30 New
    0
    And what kind of fashion Ignore the real name of the rocket, replacing it with some Western clique ... An unambiguous minus to such scribblers ... In general, I DO NOT post articles on this website that use the use of WESTERN nicknames of domestic developments ... I urge such articles to MINUS and ignore! Maybe even we’ll teach these pissing goats to respect their own weapons ...
  • Dr.
    Dr. M2 19 May 2013 18: 33 New
    0
    All this cannot be compared to the majestic leisurely launch of peaceful space rocket launchers.


    For information to moderators: a rocket launcher is a rocket engine. which itself may be the carrier of something, such as satellites. The launch of the launch vehicle is normal, but the launch of the launch vehicle is that, warehouses with engines flying up into the air?
    1. alex86
      alex86 19 May 2013 22: 05 New
      -1
      I would say differently: a launch vehicle is, in a more general sense, what carries a rocket (our usual name is a launch vehicle), i.e.
      Quote: Dr.M2
      All this cannot be compared to the majestic leisurely launch of peaceful space rocket launchers.
      can be interpreted as the start, for example, of the BRZHK railway platform, or the Topol tractor, or the SSBN laughing... but the moderators have nothing to do with it ...
  • mazdie
    mazdie 20 May 2013 00: 56 New
    +5
    I have not read the comments, but how tired !!! Not Satan, but VOEVODA !!!
  • kirgudu
    kirgudu 22 May 2013 17: 21 New
    0
    Well, at least they didn’t saw it, but use it.
  • Pancho
    Pancho 22 May 2013 19: 36 New
    +1
    I think the Utkin brothers are the saviors of Russia. That's it, no more, no less. That's about whom it is necessary to make films, whose names are called ships and streets.
  • Norad
    Norad 24 May 2013 11: 50 New
    +1
    ... who will tell you what a stream of brown gas escapes from the upper part of Satan during take-off?
  • igor12
    igor12 24 May 2013 19: 38 New
    +1
    It’s very beautiful when the “Satan” flies over the mine, as if it goes a little down, and then it goes up again. I looked at a video like this “Topol-M” gets up, one word comes to mind POWER! Glory to the designers!
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  • sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 24 May 2013 22: 28 New
    0
    This is called a mortar launch, first a powder charge pushes the rocket out of the mine, then shooting the powder stage and turning on the main engine. BEAUTY and the world's most powerful combat missile system !!!
  • Hitmaster
    Hitmaster 25 May 2013 01: 36 New
    0
    it would be nice to make a couple of hundred such missiles, and place them on the nooks of our vast Motherland! this is the best guarantee of security! )))
  • Norad
    Norad 25 May 2013 11: 59 New
    0
    I wonder when the SS-18 was destroyed, did Gorbachev move at least something in his soul?
  • Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 4 July 2013 20: 47 New
    +2
    I get indescribable pleasure, presenting the impotent anger of the ov ... "Well, how so, lapnikov - and with such weapons ..."
  • Rossmk
    Rossmk 25 August 2013 14: 13 New
    0
    Eh ... maybe the Governor should deeply modernize, add new elements of a missile defense breakthrough, otherwise I doubt that the new heavy ICBM will be cooler than Satan ... if not worse
  • Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 20 May 2014 05: 58 New
    0
    I wonder how the Martians will react to this. They say here they dug in a thousand years before us. am am
  • Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 20 May 2014 07: 40 New
    0
    In order not to reproach me for using the types of the God of Mars near the Bradenburg Gate, I note that this statue appeared much earlier than all the Hitlers and Goebbels combined.

    In addition, well, it reminds me very much of the famous actor - the driver of the MAZ from the movie with Innocent, where they drove apples on Skoda together with Dzhikhar-Konyan. Pradva Innocent there is pure loser, while God is from the best movie, although in his years, but such a caballero.

    And as a control in my head, as probably a liquidator sergeant, I’ll note that judging by the statue of the Greek-Italian Ares, they, not fools, should be confused with the wise, they come here to stop the Chernobyl accident, to poison the athletes, to kill each other. In short, to make women of us, and ourselves, as in the book Holy Sacrament, to ride on us like Babtists in Parisians. Kabbalists - and so evil. Not for nothing have they and in the holy books such horses not inspected! In general, our anti-terror bodies should take a closer look at Spain.

    Well, it would be nice for the "surviving" authorities to compare the top view of the sailor silence, where the building next to it is in the form of a key tip. And then to Canber, where is the ear of the key. Well, what kind of bear will we poison?


    Yes, if someone saw the picture of Prince Svyatoslav Igorevich, you will see a very interesting similarity