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News from friends from Odessa. In Ukraine, all the happier to live

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News from friends from Odessa. In Ukraine, all the happier to live

At the beginning of euromaidan (for the New Year holidays), good friends from Ukraine came to visit us. They live near Odessa, they have a small business and at that time they fiercely defended the right of the people of Ukraine to overthrow their president, even by violent means. In the general opinion of them, as I understood at that moment, reflected the universal prevailing in that country. Since then we didn’t have any particular disagreements (like the Crimea), we didn’t go deep into this question.


And today I, first with surprise, and then with some surprise, I learned from Russian relatives of my Ukrainian acquaintances that they constantly get in touch with them by phone and each time news worse and worse. You know, it's one thing to read Vershinin’s blog about how Ukraine squeezes business, beat objectionable people on a white day, and burn out dissenters at night - here the habit of “dividing everything by sixteen” and writing off some messages on the intrigues of the elusive “Kremlin propaganda” work, thereby reassuring yourself somewhat. But to hear something completely different from people whom you know well and who supported euromaidan, that in their town they rush into the houses of Russians, they beat them, take away everything that can be taken away and thank God that they are not killed yet. Moreover, these phenomena have acquired such a precipitous nature there, that my acquaintances are already collecting belongings and are planning to arrive in Russia for permanent residence in the near future, leaving everything they can’t take with Nezalezhnaya Square.

Now for us personally, the question is no longer “to divide information about pogroms in Ukraine into 16” - now I believe that the 100 part of those tragedies that occur in this country every day does not reach us either. And I’m even afraid to imagine that my friends will tell you very soon, coming here and not fearing that they will be overheard by the guys from the Right Sector.
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  1. andrei332809
    andrei332809 30 March 2014 15: 46
    +100
    impunity makes the crime even "tastier" for Banderlog. but, I beg your pardon, these are not crimes, this is expropriation for the needs of the sacred Maidan
    1. Vi_RUS
      Vi_RUS 30 March 2014 15: 55
      +195
      Everyone already understood, and before Ukraine, like a giraffe!
      1. Stalker
        Stalker 30 March 2014 16: 20
        +159
        In addition, for those who have not yet understood ... negative .....
        1. rolik
          rolik 30 March 2014 16: 31
          +119
          Quote: Stalker
          In addition to those who have not yet understood ..

          I will allow myself one more addition to this photo. Map of Europe and the European Union in an unusual perspective)))) Please remove the children from the screen)))))
          1. Vi_RUS
            Vi_RUS 30 March 2014 16: 34
            +42
            Well, you have a fantasy, my friend! laughing
            1. rolik
              rolik 30 March 2014 16: 38
              +3
              Quote: Vi_RUS
              Well, you have a fantasy, my friend!

              repeat bully
              1. Apologet.Ru
                Apologet.Ru 30 March 2014 21: 34
                +32
                hi
                I live in Ukraine and I will honestly say that in the provinces I learn about everything that happens in the country and abroad (both good and terrible), like everyone else, on TV and in news feeds on the internet. And we, as we lived before, are living without any changes - without seeing either the Russian invader or the bloodthirsty Bandera - just do not tell me that this is bad. Not?
                1. nizrum
                  nizrum 30 March 2014 21: 47
                  +24
                  Definitely good. But they’ll divide the groats and they will come to you too ((( request
                  1. Apologet.Ru
                    Apologet.Ru 30 March 2014 23: 01
                    +4
                    hi

                    Elephant mice do not trample, he ....
                2. progressor73
                  progressor73 30 March 2014 22: 05
                  +14
                  And God forbid that everything was calm and good.
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                  2. Apologet.Ru
                    Apologet.Ru 30 March 2014 23: 18
                    +36
                    hi
                    I wrote in December last year that -
                    Against the background of the ongoing Maydown Sabbath of the Euro-Zombies, the feeling of an approaching disaster does not leave me - the collapse of the Civilization created by our ancestors during the 7521 year from the Creation of the World, a civilization called Northern or Russian.
                    The collapse of the Soviet Union, which lasted only 74 of the year since the October Revolution, is considered the largest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century.
                    74 years and 7521 years, the difference is 7447 years.
                    Seven thousand five hundred twenty-one years of history and development, sweat and blood of Russia thrown into the dustbin of history ?!
                    It does not fit in the head.
                    How then, after realizing what happened, will we call this?
                    If now, in 22 of the year, the majority of residents of the republics of the former USSR express the most impartial epithets to Gorbachev, or, more simply, they swear as soon as they can, what will we call those who betrayed the centuries-old aspirations of Russia?
                    After all, with one movement of a pen under the agreement on the association of Ukraine with the EU, as from the category of a fraternal country for Russia, Belarus, it will turn into the category of "friendly", i.e. will become an adversary (not an enemy!), like Poland, for example, or Romania.
                    Or does someone think that after ratification Ukraine will be able to pursue an independent policy or “sit on two chairs” of the EU and the CU, standing in opposite corners, simultaneously? - I’m afraid that Nenko’s buttocks will not be wide enough - and even the Geyropey perverts of all colors are not asleep.
                    And after that, will Ukraine return to the historical path of its development?
                    When will the new Bogdan Khmelnitsky appear and the Pereyaslavskaya Rada will meet? Who knows?!
                    And if he returns, then the soul of betrayal will still remain ...
                    1. renics
                      renics 31 March 2014 19: 47
                      -5
                      The year 7521 is the time of development of the common human civilization according to the Bible, but the Russian one is about the 7th century AD, that is, from the birth of Christ, I will not bother to calculate how much it is from the creation of the world. This is not to be confused.
                      1. smoke
                        smoke April 2 2014 07: 32
                        0
                        wrong answer
                      2. core
                        core April 3 2014 09: 59
                        +1
                        He studied well at school, tell me, and in the 7th century, where did the Russians come from? until the seventh century, there were no Russians, but in the seventh immediately the OPPA. we are. history is not degenerate textbooks. the head is given to think. think.
                      3. aina01
                        aina01 April 3 2014 22: 35
                        +1
                        What bible? what is the development of common human civilization? what the hell are you talking about? Now 7522 summer (SUMMER, not a year) from the Creation of the World in the Star Temple, these are Vedic concepts, given by our first ancestors, and not the Jewish book about Moses and K. The darkness is zombie
                      4. cozy
                        cozy April 5 2014 07: 54
                        0
                        Quote: aina01
                        not a Jewish book about Moses and K.

                        Do not blaspheme, please!

                        Quote: aina01
                        it’s 7522 summer (SUMMER, not a year) from the Creation of the World in the Star Temple, these are Vedic concepts, given by our first ancestors

                        Can you tell me the source (for a change)?

                        Quote: aina01
                        Zombie darkness

                        Likewise, you can name people who perceive various "KNOWLEDGE" without properly studying the sources of this knowledge. Read source studies.
                      5. renics
                        renics April 5 2014 13: 46
                        0
                        The sectarians are not going to answer anything, everything that the sects claim is not connected with pure science, natural science. Tell me, in the 7th century, where did the Russians come from?
                        in written sources on archeology, the Slavs are mentioned in the VI-VII centuries, these are the earliest, no longer found. Well, when did the Russians appear? maybe at your own time, if the age of the earth is 4 billion years, choose any, you can even say that in the days of ancient Egypt or even earlier in the days of the Sumerians or even in the times of Atlantis 12 thousand years ago. Zombie darkness: .Here, highly educated sectarians have apparently gathered.
                      6. papas-57
                        papas-57 April 5 2014 15: 00
                        0
                        '' What Bible? what is the development of common human civilization? what the hell are you talking about? now is the 7522 summer (SUMMER, not a year) from the Creation of the World in the Star Temple, these are Vedic concepts, given by our first ancestors, and not a Jewish book about Moses and K. Zombie darkness '' In which psychiatric hospital is the open day?
                  3. Dock
                    Dock April 1 2014 01: 25
                    0
                    Loud exposure of Arseniy Yatsenyuk in the Ukrainian press: journalists found out that the signing of an agreement with the European Union in Brussels, advertised by the prime minister, was a dummy.

                    About this newspaper "Mirror of the week."

                    “There is nothing to rejoice at. With the Agreement, they did the same as with Ukraine - on a far-fetched pretext, they took and cut off a substantial part. On March 21, the “political part” of the document was not signed in Brussels — only a miserable “stub” was signed, the publication said.

                    As the author of the article clarifies, the signed agreement does not even mention that Ukraine can count on EU membership in the future.
                  4. sergeschern
                    sergeschern April 4 2014 22: 07
                    0
                    "" To sit on two chairs "of the EU and the CU" - There is such a saying: "If you sit on two chairs, the main seam may burst," which Ukraine has confirmed.
                  5. DimychDV
                    DimychDV April 6 2014 04: 49
                    0
                    The smell of politicians in all countries is usually the same, only some use advanced cosmetics. The people of Ukraine were brainwashed with political husks, and none of the honest people wanted to kick any trash from the Maidan. I am worried about one thing: did the Maidan really begin with an honest desire to throw off the snickering Yanyk? Why did they let the "honest" pro-Western politicians leave? It seems to me nevertheless that the ALL action was planned under the Galician "paid volunteers" - read mercenaries, and if you consider what currency was used to pay them, then hirelings. "Huh, huh, the guys are earning money!" Some, however, also had to be buried - after sniper exercises.
                    And one more trend. If EVER. Kieve. It turns out sane authority. She would be better off eliminating the Maidan as a topographical and physical concept. To build a plant there, or a ministry - and on ALL of the square. Even canceling the traffic there. Since the tendency - to go to work on the Maidan - from election to election is ever wider and more fateful for the authorities. And more destructive for the economy.
                    Someone here has already hung a photo poster, which the maydanutyes have achieved (I myself am not able), now it can be generalized: “The police are not needed. The Crimea was given. The army is in the Dupa. Street - to bandits Business - extortion Power - to armed thugs Gas - according to Euro prices With Russia - spread to the trash Euro-tranches - into pockets of power (otherwise what was the point of fighting for power?) Press - censorship. - not just a bolt, but increased taxes and all kinds of payments. Russian-speaking - threats. Those wishing to go to work - visas. " What else is there?
              2. allexx83
                allexx83 30 March 2014 23: 50
                +24
                In general, it is true. But there is a small nuance - there is "don’t bathe the Russian" and twitching bodies in the supermarket, there is a picket near Sberbank or a gas station, there is an attempted raider takeover under the guise of "protecting strategic lenses", flags on cars and "patriots" who remembered that they have a state that Putin wants to take over ... and a small but real likelihood that these are flowers. In addition, the people for the most part did not really understand all the "charms" of anarchy - you can loot with impunity, rob, burn competitors, kill, rape - the police will not scratch.
                "Do you see Bandera? - No. - And he is ...)))))"
              3. saha471
                saha471 31 March 2014 08: 29
                +12
                It's good. Like the lack of water on the floor during a flood for residents of a high floor. But, if the trend continues, it will surely splash underfoot. And the "hut on the edge" will float away ...
                Law. If boiling has begun in some place, with continued heating, the process will spread to the entire pan.
              4. gfnhbjnrf
                gfnhbjnrf 31 March 2014 10: 18
                +4
                my friends live in villages in Transcarpathia, they say everything is going on, as always, in its normal course, nothing happens. May God grant.
              5. wow
                wow 31 March 2014 13: 59
                +7
                Well, actually, it is. While !? Here we have in the province, Nikolaev region. grandmothers say that "VVP and its KGB are personally to blame for the Maidan. For 23 years the brains of the people have been dirtied — there is nowhere else. But local" patriotism "ends where his sofa ends. Dali Bude !!!
              6. dropout
                dropout April 5 2014 12: 57
                0
                Quote: Apologet.Ru
                And we, as we lived before, live so without any changes - not seeing either the Russian invader or the bloodthirsty Bandera

                I, too, are not in the capital, but my heart is sad and sad; the consciousness of the fact that the evening does not let go.
        2. Vi_RUS
          Vi_RUS 30 March 2014 16: 45
          +109
          Well here is another addition
          1. rolik
            rolik 30 March 2014 16: 49
            +36
            Quote: Vi_RUS
            Well here is another addition

            Well, right, we need to work harder))) so that the pan does not get angry))))) Decent work for worthy "new" Europeans.
        3. asar
          asar 30 March 2014 17: 10
          +12
          yeah! that's cool! children were removed from the screen (but adults are bastard!)! laughing
          1. Mih
            Mih 30 March 2014 21: 22
            +1
            (but adults bastard!)!

            And who is an adult in Ukraine lovely?
            Neondertaltians - this is the main contingent of ukrov.
        4. vell.65mail.ru
          vell.65mail.ru 30 March 2014 19: 05
          +4
          The Euro Asset lacks more brains. hi
        5. Anatolich
          Anatolich 30 March 2014 19: 15
          +15
          Something sluggish some member of NATO. laughing
          1. Nick
            Nick 30 March 2014 20: 36
            +16
            Quote: Anatolich
            Something sluggish some member of NATO.

            And in NATO, all members are sluggish ... repeat
            1. 120352
              120352 30 March 2014 20: 54
              +10
              There is such a diagnosis: "Political impotence". Do you need illustrations? Look at Obama.
          2. Mih
            Mih 30 March 2014 21: 25
            +3
            Something sluggish some member of NATO. [quote] [/ quote
            I do not want to be banal - but a flaccid penis is a diagnosis. To the sex therapist.
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      3. bubalik
        bubalik 30 March 2014 18: 03
        +40
        ,,,, in the same piggy bank request ,,,
      4. 47609388
        47609388 31 March 2014 01: 24
        +5
        HERE and ate
        1. aleks 62
          aleks 62 31 March 2014 13: 08
          +1
          .... Scho ne evening ....
      5. Dock
        Dock April 1 2014 01: 17
        +1
        It was clear from the very beginning, many began to open their eyes, but isn’t it too late? Gina was released from the bottle, but you can immediately see who is who!
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    3. Zeus
      Zeus 30 March 2014 18: 06
      +83
      Yet    
      1. gfhjkm
        gfhjkm 30 March 2014 18: 45
        +76
        add too.
    4. Gloria45
      Gloria45 30 March 2014 18: 13
      +30
      Somehow we don’t very often recall another country.
      I began to search for information about Iceland because in
      France is a state in, as it were, almost banned.
      Due to the fact that this country is the most democratic,
      in the good sense of the word, in Europe, if not all over the world,
      here on her and imposed an information taboo.
      [media = http: //www.ntv.ru/novosti/867339/]

      Interesnij reportaj
      1. Mih
        Mih 30 March 2014 21: 35
        +5
        Somehow we don’t very often remember another country


        Iceland is a Viking country that has not undergone Europeanization. EUROZHOPA is an iron curtain for the European civilization. The paradox of the modern world.
      2. Egen
        Egen 31 March 2014 06: 47
        +3
        Quote: gloria45
        that country is the most democratic
        in the good sense of the word, in Europe, if not all over the world,
        here on her and imposed an information taboo.

        Yes, with IMHO Iceland is simple - what to take from it except for the bases, which are already nearby in Greenland? Therefore, no one needs it. But if you would have found oil there ..... wink :)
    5. wulf66
      wulf66 30 March 2014 21: 03
      +27
      I have a double attitude towards the Ukrainians ... They are Slovenian brothers (this is without question), but where can I get the impression of the 1991 referendum?

      1. Mih
        Mih 30 March 2014 21: 38
        -34%
        They are Slovenian brothers.
        They have not been brothers to us for a long time - they are enemies.
        1. White53
          White53 31 March 2014 05: 49
          +11
          And you are not sent to us !!! Something smells of rot from your speeches !! Brother he is brother !! There are also hard-educated, hard-to-learn relatives !! However, it’s all the same kindred !!!
        2. ant.as. 1985
          ant.as. 1985 31 March 2014 22: 37
          0
          Enemies are people like you, in our country, for example, "you" are called Banderas.
      2. maximus235
        maximus235 30 March 2014 23: 33
        +2
        Good movie.
      3. sergius60
        sergius60 April 2 2014 10: 07
        +1
        Only now, dear ones, on what dates are the days of independence celebrated in Russia and Ukraine? FIRST (!) Russia sent all the n.a.kh.u., they wiped themselves off and announced that they really wanted to. I am 53, and I remember this circus very well. Yes, the sprats squealed as if they had not been cut, they wanted to go to Europe. But we, in Zaporozhye, received a "fact" from Boryunya. And where to go, really sent to ........
        1. 97110
          97110 April 2 2014 12: 28
          +2
          At 53, it's time to think a little. The body movements "I'll catch a cold - you will be worse" are somehow strange at your age. What can I say about Borya? Nobody remembers his kind word. And now who is to blame - Putin and the "bloody gebnya"? Yes, it has been 20 years since I have been going to Ukraine, so I shudder. Has Borya posted "Give" signs to you on the roads? On March 8, "Khortitsa" was on the table. Well, it does not go like a glass - so into a burp. So I see that they are twisting the damned m from the bottle ... If they sent you, then go. Just pay for gas.
        2. 97110
          97110 April 2 2014 12: 28
          0
          At 53, it's time to think a little. The body movements "I'll catch a cold - you will be worse" are somehow strange at your age. What can I say about Borya? Nobody remembers his kind word. And now who is to blame - Putin and the "bloody gebnya"? Yes, it has been 20 years since I have been going to Ukraine, so I shudder. Has Borya posted "Give" signs to you on the roads? On March 8, "Khortitsa" was on the table. Well, it does not go like a glass - so into a burp. So I see that they are twisting the damned m from the bottle ... If they sent you, then go. Just pay for gas.
        3. Tig_1971
          Tig_1971 April 3 2014 15: 43
          0
          And your referendum in 91 for the independence was 90% voted for! I remember the same thing, even though 11 years younger than you. The older brother has a friend from Western Ukraine (Kingdom of Heaven, Jura Chepel), as he tumbled then - Shaw, Russia oppresses Ukraine! mustache zila! After 2 years, everyone went to shuttle ... And lard, and colored dishes and everything that was read Nenka is rich - take it, be affectionate, just give three dollars!
          1. Lunic
            Lunic April 6 2014 09: 12
            0
            I completely agree with your comment. Sam shuttled in a year. With a companion (both served in the Donetsk police), they traveled to Rostov and Taganrog on weekends. Linen sheets brought there, slippers pillowcases warm and matches back!
        4. Tig_1971
          Tig_1971 April 3 2014 15: 43
          0
          And your referendum in 91 for the independence was 90% voted for! I remember the same thing, even though 11 years younger than you. The older brother has a friend from Western Ukraine (Kingdom of Heaven, Jura Chepel), as he tumbled then - Shaw, Russia oppresses Ukraine! mustache zila! After 2 years, everyone went to shuttle ... And lard, and colored dishes and everything that was read Nenka is rich - take it, be affectionate, just give three dollars!
      4. Lunic
        Lunic April 6 2014 09: 06
        0
        I voted for an independent Ukraine. He believed (naively) that it would be better. Then the leadership taught us: We’ll disconnect, we’ll stop sending all the money to Moscow, we’ll all be left to us, we’ll live humanly. Russia has never blamed anything. In the USSR, we were taught the bosses to believe ... So they believed! They fed their kings.
        By the way, similar slogans are now used in South-Eastern Ukraine .. They say we are hard workers, we feed the lazy people zapadentsev ...
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    1. asar
      asar 30 March 2014 17: 14
      +21
      in many ways, what is happening now in Ukraine resembles Tajikistan during the civil war of the early 90s!
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 30 March 2014 17: 26
        +10
        Quote: asar
        in many ways, what is happening now in Ukraine resembles Tajikistan during the civil war of the early 90s!

        The cold summer of the 53rd ...
      2. Egen
        Egen 31 March 2014 06: 49
        +1
        Quote: asar
        about much that is happening now in Ukraine, reminds Tajikistan of the times of the civil war of the beginning of the 90x!

        I don’t know I wasn’t there, but it would be nice not for Kyrgyzstan 7 years ago ... :(
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  4. 311ove
    311ove 30 March 2014 15: 58
    +59
    Many supporters of the Maidan seem to fail to realize that the Nazis are BAD in any case ..... govorish_zutra because they will come to you - "you don’t understand anything ...." Who zombified them there so much ??! People seem to be adults, but it's bad that it doesn't reach, when it comes, there may already be a lot of blood and all sorts of troubles ...
    1. Vi_RUS
      Vi_RUS 30 March 2014 16: 02
      +39
      Inform war in action! They will understand only when it is too late and food will leave the shelves in the stores and hyperinflation will break out! Everything was done with us in the 90s, but who else but we should know
      1. sergaivenski
        sergaivenski 30 March 2014 17: 53
        +50
        Dear Forum member, Good evening !!! When the desperate population begins to sweep away literally everything from the store shelves, then people will think: why did they overthrow Yanukovych ??? Why did they allow JUNTA, supported by the US and the European Union, to settle in Kiev ??? court of KIEV: "Yulia, Yulia" ??? What they fought for and ran into it !!! A whole bunch of swindlers wanted to get POWER !!! These very adventurers simply do not give a damn about the common people of Ukraine !!! I will not be surprised if the coup is already trading Ukraine wholesale and retail !!!
        1. aleks 62
          aleks 62 31 March 2014 13: 11
          +5
          Why were they shouting under the windows of the Pechersk Court of KIEV: "Julia, Julia" ???
          ..... They are right now yelling the same !!!!!
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    4. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 30 March 2014 16: 14
      +44
      these are people, those people whom we call Thomas an unbeliever, until they fucking on the head, they don’t believe in anything, they hang noodles and believe them, they are told MMM there is no scam they carry the last money there. The EU neon sign is a SCAM, but no, let's go see, and suddenly a freebie, no freebies want to work 12-14 hours for a pittance ahead of the EU.
      1. Berkut-UA
        Berkut-UA 30 March 2014 22: 14
        +37
        Talked with classmates living in Kiev
        on Obolon and on Borshchagovka (who does not know the city - the outskirts - sleeping areas)

        Both said that they did not have fascists and that I came up with everything,
        since they didn’t show this on local TV, it means it doesn’t exist.

        They were indignant at the fact that I support Russia - the aggressor and not Ukraine, where I was born and raised.
        All my talk about the fact that I am not against Ukraine and the Ukrainians but against the fascist Bandera-do not understand and do not want to understand.
        And what a pity that people with education are so stupid.
        1. romaskadarv
          romaskadarv 30 March 2014 23: 41
          -16%
          You, of course, from across the ocean, know better :-) You, of course
    5. Sma11
      Sma11 30 March 2014 18: 07
      +24
      Because war, because goosebumps,
      Because it’s dark, I’ll save my skin,
      I mingle with the crowd, I'm the same, the same, the same
      I am not wider in the shoulders and no higher than everyone in the ranks.
      And I will be the ninth on the day when every tenth
      (And the only first one, of course, but that doesn't count)
      It will be called forward, and then for a long time the soldiers
      Before you kill, they will beat with boots in the stomach.
      I won’t go out of the cramped closet into a wide field,
      Where is the man with the brush and where the clouds covered the moon
      I mingle with the crowd, I will be calmer underground
      Waiting for your life, your life, not your war,
      Survive these thirty and forty, and how many will have to,
      And mingle with the earth so that painful fear dies,
      The gate creaks, as in childhood, and I rise from the well
      On some strange indifferent unnecessary hands.
      1. Yasondinalt
        Yasondinalt 30 March 2014 19: 33
        +3
        Strong! And honestly!
    6. Berkut-UA
      Berkut-UA 30 March 2014 22: 01
      +5
      This will happen on the eve of the Great Ukrainian Revolution by October 2014
    7. Sergey Vl.
      Sergey Vl. 31 March 2014 05: 06
      +3
      Today on TV in the program of Vladimir Solovyov, one political scientist said that a generation of fascists had been brought up in Ukraine for twenty years. Good "power"!
    8. Elena Nastina
      Elena Nastina 31 March 2014 06: 30
      +9
      The post-revolutionary situation in Russia awaits 1932-39.
      What to reproach the people of Ukraine. Let's take a look at ourselves, and WE “didn't notice it either”.
      Before the last elections, my son-in-law and I argued, almost to the point of hoarseness: I am for Putin, I need stability. And he (the son-in-law) was also "duped" - a thief on a thief, driving a thief. But what do I care how much money Putin has, he’s already accumulated, now he sets other goals, but I don’t need to feed a new gang, sort out in a stupid hope "maybe this is better."
      Politics and political workers are the same everywhere. Perhaps that is why the question of autocracy (emperor, king, prince, king) arises, once and for all. I think this is wise, afterwards there is someone to ask. And it’s like in the market: no, I don’t like it, I’ll go look for another. And what made us stormy?: Every 4 years we elect a new gang, but in general there was fun.
  5. Reasonable, 2,3
    Reasonable, 2,3 30 March 2014 16: 13
    +53
    Guys, don’t worry, I again drew a business trip. Not on an independent, side by side. We’ll fix it over time.
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 30 March 2014 16: 20
      +9
      Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
      Not in an independent, side by side. Everything will be fixed over time

      Is it possible in more detail, about "fix"?
      1. Reasonable, 2,3
        Reasonable, 2,3 30 March 2014 16: 36
        +46
        SVD. The first T-5000s arrived. We’ll try.
        1. rolik
          rolik 30 March 2014 16: 43
          +39
          Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
          .The first T-5000 arrived. Let's try

          Hit the eye soldier do not spoil the skin yes
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 30 March 2014 18: 26
            +7
            I beg the scum Bendera not in the eye, there are other places. Let them feel in the end: what is life and what is death. And how you want to live for those whom they tormented. forced to suffer, killed with impunity ..
            1. radio operator
              radio operator 30 March 2014 20: 43
              +24
              Quote: Balu
              I beg the scum Bendera not in the eye, there are other places. Let them feel in the end: what is life and what is death. And how you want to live for those whom they tormented. forced to suffer, killed with impunity ..
          2. Rattenfanger
            Rattenfanger 31 March 2014 09: 17
            +2
            Quote: rolik
            Hit the soldier's eye, don't ruin the skin yes

            What are you talking about? These devils have a skin full of holes for a long time.)))
        2. Shuriken
          Shuriken 30 March 2014 16: 58
          +8
          You already keep us informed .... And then the media, they are such media ....
        3. sv68
          sv68 30 March 2014 17: 31
          +6
          god help
        4. vell.65mail.ru
          vell.65mail.ru 30 March 2014 19: 17
          +3
          Do not spoil the skin when you try SVD. lol
        5. polite people
          polite people 30 March 2014 20: 15
          +3
          Already. The thing is normal. Or just super.
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        7. siberalt
          siberalt 30 March 2014 20: 32
          +2
          With such a thing you can do without a trip laughing
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 30 March 2014 18: 23
      +9
      Good luck, health, patience.
    3. f.lourens
      f.lourens 30 March 2014 18: 23
      +8
      I can only wish good luck hi
  6. nika407
    nika407 30 March 2014 16: 43
    +3
    This is the earnings of the guys from PS.
  7. GRANATE-19
    GRANATE-19 30 March 2014 19: 02
    +5
    Quote: andrei332809
    impunity makes the crime even "tastier" for Banderlog. but, I beg your pardon, these are not crimes, this is expropriation for the needs of the sacred Maidan

    Every time they have "muidan" - the priesthood and the priesthood !!! I can imagine what will happen next, and how will they deal with those who disagree (as I think, the blood runs cold) !!! Respectfully, I express my humble opinion.
    1. Dock
      Dock April 1 2014 01: 58
      +1
      But the next Maidan, the authorities will water in China, in due time, then they will no longer allow a precedent ....
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  9. Deadmen
    Deadmen 30 March 2014 19: 13
    +7
    by the way, Yarosh came to the funeral Muzychko on an expensive armored car expropriated from his son Yanukovych))
    1. radio operator
      radio operator 30 March 2014 20: 48
      +24
      Quote: Deadmen
      by the way, Yarosh came to the funeral Muzychko on an expensive armored car expropriated from his son Yanukovych))
      1. Dock
        Dock April 1 2014 02: 07
        +2
        He must be cleaned up ... 1.much knows what prevents the oligarchs.
        2. Snout in the blood, everyone is disowning him now ...
        As the saying goes: the Moor has done his job, the Moor may leave!
        In the history of mankind, not a single revolution did not do without rivers of blood ... the ordinary principle of dominoes! Who came to power, will clean up the space around him!
  10. KZWULYANOV
    KZWULYANOV 31 March 2014 00: 59
    +11
    It is time to stop bullying the Soviet People and revive the Soviet Union - the Union of Brotherly Native Peoples !!! How many Western blue can conduct experiments on Soviet People with the filing of Judah - Gorbachev - Yeltsin? There is a single Soviet people and it will be! Despite everything - we are in the eyes of the blue-sky - scoops. So let everything - and this is not more than 5 - 8% of the garbage move to the West they adore and merge with it in ecstasy, and experiment there. After the next occupation, the Soviet People will unite, revive and create an even more powerful Power with Higher spiritual principles, pure Human relations as the United Soviet People — the Winner !!!
  11. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 31 March 2014 12: 13
    +1
    The Holy Maidan will devour those who created it, who rejoiced at his arrival, silently empathized with him, openly and secretly supported him, the story goes in a circle.
  12. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 April 2 2014 19: 13
    0
    Yes, dear, do you still think that in the USSR they blatantly lied about Western rascals, but in fact they are "white and fluffy"? You are a naive person. Look at what such complacency and faith lead to, including our media in a very recent time. However, even now the positions of our fifth column are not completely broken and, to my regret, are strong enough.
  13. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 April 2 2014 19: 13
    0
    Yes, dear, do you still think that in the USSR they blatantly lied about Western rascals, but in fact they are "white and fluffy"? You are a naive person. Look at what such complacency and faith lead to, including our media in a very recent time. However, even now the positions of our fifth column are not completely broken and, to my regret, are strong enough.
  • awg75
    awg75 30 March 2014 15: 48
    +22
    enjoy the independence ...
    1. infinite silence ...
      infinite silence ... 30 March 2014 16: 00
      +31
      Sarcasm ... Yes. But the majority did not seek IT!
      1. awg75
        awg75 30 March 2014 16: 12
        +50
        after your Kiev clapped its hands and rejoiced violently when they burned and shot at "Berkut" there are no more Ukrainians for me
        1. infinite silence ...
          infinite silence ... 30 March 2014 16: 24
          +80
          This is your private opinion, and you have the right to it. But. Ukrainians do not all jump. Take a word.
          1. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 30 March 2014 16: 34
            +55
            We believe.
            We all believe in the good, but day by day we slurp full bast shoes ...
            Why fathers didn’t tear galloping skippers for these gilyaks, horse races, knives, bandera ...
            1. infinite silence ...
              infinite silence ... 30 March 2014 16: 38
              +38
              It is necessary to tear out the previous power! For allowing and giving the opportunity to raise its head to fascism!
              I'm not so naive that someone would prove to me ... that NO ONE knew about the presence of this scum!
              1. 225chay
                225chay 30 March 2014 16: 56
                +21
                Quote: infinite silence ...
                It is necessary to tear out the previous power! For allowing and giving the opportunity to raise its head to fascism!

                the current leadership is the real FISHES, remember that Julia was talking on the phone, what would she like to do with the Russians ...
                1. infinite silence ...
                  infinite silence ... 30 March 2014 17: 14
                  +12
                  In Donetsk, an investigation was completed into the fact that on March 23 the Russian flag was hoisted near the building of the Donetsk City Council during a rally of pro-Russian forces ... On this fact, criminal proceedings were opened under part 2 of article 296 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine (hooliganism committed by a group of persons). The sanction of article prescribes punishment in the form of restriction of freedom for a period of up to 5 years or imprisonment for a period of up to 4 years.
                  Donetsk student hardly expected to be put on trial for desecrating the flag of Ukraine
                  1. sv68
                    sv68 30 March 2014 17: 36
                    +32
                    Well, Sorry, you will chew the snot, they will start to plant for a yawn on the street. UNDERTAKE AND FORCE TAKE THE POWER
                    1. Andrey44
                      Andrey44 30 March 2014 18: 52
                      +12
                      Who will lead them? "There are few real violent, so there are no leaders" (V. Vysotsky's quote). Ukrainians and Russians are extremely inert - they harness for a long time. And the "boiling point" is still very far away.
                      1. 31231
                        31231 30 March 2014 19: 43
                        +6
                        Found in the Crimea. If they have nobody, then why should Russia violate all world laws treat their passivity?
                        It's time to realize that without blood you will not achieve anything. The Kosovars have succeeded. Crimea, all right, it rose in time.
                      2. shark
                        shark 31 March 2014 16: 06
                        +3
                        Yesterday I watched Donetsk miners on TV. Ordinary, frightened people. They are afraid to lose their meager salaries. People are absolutely not ready to give up everything and take to the streets. I always said, do not overestimate Dombas. Taruta is a monument to miners' wives to them, and then the condition is to remove all tricolors. And everyone .. everyone is happy and agree. So for violent hat-takers, no one will go anywhere. For many, Ukrainian independence is serious.
                      3. solaco
                        solaco 31 March 2014 16: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: shark
                        Yesterday I watched on Donetsk miners on TV. Ordinary, frightened people. They are afraid of losing their meager salaries. People are absolutely not ready to give up everything and take to the streets.

                        And yesterday I heard Solovyov as a deputy of the Party of Regions, Nikolai Levchenko said that the salary there is up to 3000 bucks. All this was said in defense of Akhmetov ... I think they have it ... what
                2. 31231
                  31231 30 March 2014 19: 42
                  +10
                  Raguli and Bendery with weapons in their hands defended their opinions, and what are you ?! You expect that Russia and the green men will shed blood for you.

                  "You can't be more Serb than Serb himself." This also applies to today's Ukraine. Self-defense was created in Donbass.
                  I already wrote and will write more than once, you yourself are creating your own story.
                  1. saha471
                    saha471 30 March 2014 21: 30
                    +10
                    Create a self-defense? Armed? Really? Long? And where is she? Do not see something! Or is she so classified that she cannot find herself? People’s leaders were taken - and taken away. And what is self-defense? She is self-defense!
                    Do you want to fight the junta with democratic instruments? fool These banderlog understand ONLY LANGUAGE FORCE !! Perhaps you will understand this. Someday ... After heavy losses. You will be snatched one by one ... And they will break the broom, one twig each!
                    1. 31231
                      31231 30 March 2014 22: 22
                      +1
                      Do you want to fight the junta with democratic instruments? These banderlog understand ONLY LANGUAGE FORCE !! Perhaps you will understand this. Someday ... After heavy losses. You will be snatched one by one ... And they will break the broom, one twig each!


                      Who are you talking to? I live in Ekaterinburg.
                    2. Elena Nastina
                      Elena Nastina 31 March 2014 06: 06
                      +1
                      A post-revolutionary situation awaits in Russia in 1932-39. What to reproach people. Let's take a look at ourselves, and WE didn't "notice" it either.
                    3. aleks 62
                      aleks 62 31 March 2014 13: 28
                      +1
                      ... She defends herself only on weekends ....
                3. Hitrovan07
                  Hitrovan07 30 March 2014 22: 02
                  +1
                  The prosecutor's office of the Russian Federation rehabilitates him, it is not long.
                4. Hitrovan07
                  Hitrovan07 30 March 2014 22: 02
                  0
                  The prosecutor's office of the Russian Federation rehabilitates him, it is not long.
            2. Shuriken
              Shuriken 30 March 2014 17: 13
              +10
              Everything needs to be torn out! And not torn out, but burned out! Otherwise, in this TERRITORY, called Ukraine, there will be nothing good! Himself from Donbass, for a second. And where is a healthy miner's protest? In the 90s ?? I’m in Rostov, if not God forbid, someone will be killed by US, I remember AK ....
            3. vlum
              vlum 30 March 2014 17: 15
              +12
              Yes, it’s clear that all this was not done overnight - preparing the SS as a combat wing for more than 20 years ... The betrayal of the national interests of the SBU also took place for many years ... And so on

              Yes, you just look at the names, passwords and appearances: there are familiar faces! Not a single random person, the smallest since 2004. Who are the complaints? Among them, Yanukovych was the same as everyone, even by conviction he was not a noticeable exception to the majority of such similar ones.
            4. mike_z
              mike_z 30 March 2014 21: 19
              +3
              Quote: infinite silence ...
              It is necessary to tear out the previous power! For allowing and giving the opportunity to raise its head to fascism!


              You are right, of course! Whatever they say now, but the majority of Russians are worried no less than yours and believe that Ukraine has not completely surrendered to the mercy of Bandera. We all have a negative attitude not to Ukraine and Ukrainians, but to the National Socialists. And you understand why.
              1. ty60
                ty60 30 March 2014 23: 25
                +2
                moderators don’t miss the word-ho. hol. People from Ukraine call themselves so with pride. This can’t be considered an insult. And the people there are very different — urban and rural views of the world are sometimes almost opposite, in different areas of the same region different views of life , and the language is different! It’s okay there, mother, don’t cry! Ordinary people are already tired of speaking, Maidan, etc. They won’t give much money to eliminate the consequences of the Maidan from the West. The oligarchic elite liquidates the right sector in terms of stabilization according to the Western scenario. .And a new period of milking the country in the pockets of the elite.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 31 March 2014 00: 56
                  +2
                  Quote: ty60
                  moderators do not miss me the word ho.hol.

                  In the Kuban, they also call themselves so without any complexes, since when has the word "hohol" become a curse?
                  1. Egen
                    Egen 31 March 2014 06: 57
                    +2
                    Quote: Setrac
                    In the Kuban, they also call themselves so without any complexes, since when has the word "hohol" become a curse?

                    Well, this is probably for "real Ukrainians" :) it is abusive :) In our village and district - near Novosib - this name still originated from the pre-revolution, when people migrated from Ukraine. In Soviet times, the name "khokh_l" was simply distinctive, when people met somewhere in the Irkutsk taiga or Kamchatka, they understood that they might have common roots somewhere, and therefore the relationship immediately became warmer to each other.
            5. saha471
              saha471 30 March 2014 21: 23
              0
              Well yes! Is the power to blame? Do you really think so? EVERYTHING? And you, led by the authorities, are not to blame? No brains? Then you relate yourself to the herd, which has one lawyer. Here you are. Do not want to - prove it!
            6. aleks 62
              aleks 62 31 March 2014 13: 21
              0
              I completely agree .... You just have to start a fight with Kravchuk, Kuv, Yushchenko ..... With them, it all started .....
          2. Val_y
            Val_y 30 March 2014 21: 30
            +4
            Do not forget that those galloping children are in the West, and in Slobozhanshchina and Novorosiya they don’t think so. In addition, today in Odessa there was a rally, 5-7 thousand were under Russian flags. The main thing is that people do not remain strangers in the midst of Ukrainians and Russians.
        2. sv68
          sv68 30 March 2014 17: 33
          +6
          so stop prancing.
        3. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov 30 March 2014 17: 37
          +12
          Quote: infinite silence ...
          Ukrainians do not all jump. Take a word.

          You can’t even imagine Irina, how much we want to believe in it!
        4. saha471
          saha471 30 March 2014 21: 20
          +4
          Not everyone jumps. Some are not. But they hope that without them everything will resolve by itself. And they are waiting. So they waited. And in Donetsk-Kharkov it will be the same. They are waiting ... Wait ... Even the history of a month ago does not teach anything. MY HUT FROM THE EDGE!
        5. Mih
          Mih 30 March 2014 22: 34
          0

          Take a word.
          I do not believe. I saw it myself.
        6. aleks 62
          aleks 62 31 March 2014 13: 19
          +1
          ..Well, yes ... Not all .... Only the rest signed up for the "sofa" party and whine, whine, whine ..... Here they showed another "Sunday" rally in Kharkov ... It's scary to think, as many as 4 thousand people from the city of a million they held a meeting ... The rest means they like this mess ...
      2. 225chay
        225chay 30 March 2014 16: 54
        +14
        Quote: awg75
        after your Kiev clapped its hands and rejoiced violently when they burned and shot at "Berkut" there are no more Ukrainians for me


        You certainly know better
        but
        Most of the real Ukrainians, and not the Bandera and the cry-whipped and timidly scrambled eggs, absolutely normal people are no different from the ordinary Russian people!
        Who sends the killing ... people ... kov?
        Here the dog is buried
        1. Wellych
          Wellych 30 March 2014 20: 11
          +16
          Most of the real Ukrainians, and not the Bandera and the cry-whipped and timidly scrambled eggs, absolutely normal people are no different from the ordinary Russian people!

          I don't know, I live surrounded by Ukrainians. Many were sane and adequate. Either there was some kind of infection sprayed, but everyone turned into manic paranoid, in which everything - "It's Putin's fault." At some point I even thought maybe I was crazy, if everyone around seems crazy.

          And the historical background - 97% of the world's population are absolutely normal heterosexuals, and 3% homosexuals - who legislatively bent the majority and deprived of constitutional rights.
          1. Anper
            Anper 30 March 2014 20: 30
            +6
            Quote: Wellych
            At some point, I even thought maybe it was I who was crazy, if everything around seemed to be abnormal.

            BEFORE YOU DIAGNOSIS YOURSELF DEPRESSION OR TOTAL SELF-RESPECT, MAKE SURE YOU ARE NOT ENVIRONED WITH FULL M.U., D.A., K.A.M.I.
            Actually, they attribute it to Freud.
        2. mike_z
          mike_z 30 March 2014 21: 24
          +2
          Quote: 225chay
          Most of the real Ukrainians
          ...
          Quote: 225chay
          normal people are no different from the simple Russian people!

          That's it! These puppeteers and need to bring to clean water. We have normal Ukrainians, even those who were on the Maidan and peacefully protesting against the dominance of thieves, the attitude has not changed. Unfortunately this cannot be said for some previously normal Ukrainians. Former colleagues in the North sometimes call Russia an aggressor, and me (!?) I am an invader. Paradox!
        3. ty60
          ty60 30 March 2014 23: 34
          +2
          people die for metal. Moreover, for a stranger. We have already passed this in the 90th. God bless Ukraine to use the Russian experience, not to step on the rake once again.
      3. techmesh
        techmesh 30 March 2014 17: 06
        +22
        I didn't want to offend the Ukrainians, but what is happening now is the fault of everyone, both the authorities and the people. The phrase from the film just keeps coming up - "Well, there were people, like people, and suddenly they all became cretis .." Now, take it out.
        People do not give up. Try to unite with the police, the military to bring at least an elementary order, and with Banderlog and the Nazis it’s not regrettable to have to deal only by force.
        1. valersvet
          valersvet 30 March 2014 18: 37
          +3
          "... To fight with the militia, the military to restore ... order, and with ... the fascists ... to deal ... by force."
          so it is so, only the problem is that these same "fascists" are also relatives of the very same police and military.
          1. 31231
            31231 30 March 2014 19: 50
            +5
            Do not blame the nonsense, the vast majority of the current and former on the side of the people of Donbass. If they do not want to fight for themselves by force, then who should the Russians do for them?
      4. Sandov
        Sandov 30 March 2014 17: 15
        +6
        Quote: awg75
        after your Kiev clapped its hands and rejoiced violently when they burned and shot at "Berkut" there are no more Ukrainians for me

        Ukrainians still remained in the east and south. A banderlog they never were.
      5. Sotnik77s
        Sotnik77s 30 March 2014 17: 47
        +1
        And Ukraine, too, is no longer identically either, Yaytsenyuk took the gold safe to the amers !!!!! haha ​​he eliminated it himself !!!! We just have to master the abandoned zamlitsa !!!
      6. Baloo
        Baloo 30 March 2014 18: 28
        +6
        "after your Kiev clapped its hands and rejoiced violently when they burned and shot at" Berkut "there are no more Ukrainians for me"

        It’s not good to generalize that way, it’s unfair. Not everyone is born a warrior, people are simply demoralized. Not everyone is happy about the power of banderlogs; there are not enough leaders based on real power.
        1. Suhow
          Suhow 30 March 2014 20: 47
          +1
          there is no one to follow ...
      7. Mih
        Mih 30 March 2014 21: 46
        -3
        for me there are no more Ukrainians
        +1000000
      8. xan
        xan 30 March 2014 22: 20
        +4
        Quote: awg75
        after your Kiev clapped its hands and rejoiced violently when they burned and shot at "Berkut" there are no more Ukrainians for me

        But on the contrary, I realized that in Ukraine there are our people, or rather, our Ukrainians - the Golden Eagle and the soldiers of the BB after all, are also Ukrainians.
        Ukrainians get their brains back and you can even go to battle together.
      9. papik09
        papik09 31 March 2014 03: 32
        0
        Your opinion is very subjective, but I simply have no right to challenge it - this is your opinion. I dare to assure you that the MOST did not clap their hands. We will "clap" a little later ... winked
    2. sniper
      sniper 30 March 2014 16: 16
      +24
      Quote: infinite silence ...
      But the majority did not seek IT!

      Who would argue ... Only adults MUST think before doing ... I am sure that those who came to the Maidan followed another, but got what they got ... Our history is full of examples What revolution and demonstration will inevitably lead to, but people without thinking continue to drag any scum to power on their shoulders ... How much blood still needs to be shed so that people would understand that breaking the law, they give rise to UNLAWFUL ???
      1. infinite silence ...
        infinite silence ... 30 March 2014 16: 27
        +9
        adults need to think before they do ...


        Who thinks THERE? ... They have this process so tight that the squeak from it drowns out ...
        1. sniper
          sniper 30 March 2014 16: 31
          +4
          Quote: infinite silence ...
          . They have this process so tight that the creak from it drowns out ...

          Well then, as they say: "only a good surgeon will help a bad dancer ..." alas ...
          1. infinite silence ...
            infinite silence ... 30 March 2014 16: 34
            +6
            only a good surgeon will help a bad dancer


            Nicholas, one surgeon will not do here. The brigade is needed ... wink
            1. sniper
              sniper 30 March 2014 16: 36
              +4
              Quote: infinite silence ...
              The brigade is needed ...

              Maybe soon it will be .... wait ...
            2. 225chay
              225chay 30 March 2014 16: 58
              +3
              Quote: infinite silence ...
              Nicholas, one surgeon will not do here. The brigade is needed ...


              Yes! Elimination of the entire top to one! No normal!
              1. sniper
                sniper 30 March 2014 17: 09
                +11
                Quote: 225chay
                Elimination of the entire top to one!

                If everything was so simple, then there would be nothing to talk about ... She’s in ruins in her head (s). Indeed, the majority considers Russia to be the culprit of all ills, if only for almost a quarter of a century brainwashed ....
              2. 31231
                31231 30 March 2014 19: 59
                +4
                How do you imagine that? Tomorrow Russia on armor and wings will go to rescue part of the population of Ukraine? Along the way, from another part of this Ukraine, bullets and splinters ?!
            3. dmitriygorshkov
              dmitriygorshkov 30 March 2014 17: 55
              +5
              Quote: infinite silence ...
              The brigade is needed ..

              Is there enough motorized rifle?
          2. Mih
            Mih 30 March 2014 22: 09
            +2
            Sniper - piece goods. Snipers are grown long and hard. He must have a certain property of character - lying down and preparing a shot.
            A dancer is a frivolous person who can be disturbed by eggs.
            A surgeon can save a sniper, under certain conditions, no one can help a bad dancer.
        2. NDR-791
          NDR-791 30 March 2014 16: 35
          +10
          Sarcasm ... Yes. But the majority did not seek IT!
          That is the sadness that did not strive not only for this, but also for nothing else - my hut from the edge. The logical result.
          1. infinite silence ...
            infinite silence ... 30 March 2014 16: 41
            +19
            A person working in continuous production, in a mine ... coming home from work, I’m happy! And the majority of Nazis couldn’t allow to think about the existence of Nazism’s prosperity in the West of Ukraine! Yes, some infa leaked ... But even it didn’t fit in my head that in our century a revival of the brown plague is possible!
            1. Sandov
              Sandov 30 March 2014 17: 18
              +1
              Quote: infinite silence ...
              A person working in continuous production, in a mine ... coming home from work, I’m happy! And the majority of Nazis couldn’t allow to think about the existence of Nazism’s prosperity in the West of Ukraine! Yes, some infa leaked ... But even it didn’t fit in my head that in our century a revival of the brown plague is possible!

              Not for nothing that the Americans, with all the cuts, invested loot in Yarosh and his team.
            2. Baloo
              Baloo 30 March 2014 18: 35
              +3
              In the early 80s, I did not turn my ears to the fact that somewhere outside the Urals the Nazis staged a procession. And in the second half of the 80s, one patient who left Ukraine told how he, a police officer, suffered from Bendera’s in the afternoon! and how his superiors discouraged not writing anything.
            3. Al_lexx
              Al_lexx 30 March 2014 19: 08
              +9
              Quote: infinite silence ...
              A person working in continuous production, in a mine ... coming home from work, I’m happy! And the majority of Nazis couldn’t allow to think about the existence of Nazism’s prosperity in the West of Ukraine! Yes, some infa leaked ... But even it didn’t fit in my head that in our century a revival of the brown plague is possible!

              Excuse me. I do not live in Ukraine, but with Yushchenko coming to power, I regularly saw on TV these Sabbaths of the Natsiks, the glorification / exaltation of S. Bandera, the squeals of the famine and other crap.
              I somehow strongly doubt that other than me no one saw this, especially in Ukraine.
              So, the reproach about "my house is on the edge" or "maybe it will carry" is very deserved, in relation to the adequate population of Ukraine.
              1. Mih
                Mih 30 March 2014 22: 18
                0
                Excuse me. I do not live in Ukraine.
                And I observed this in Soviet times. CPSU-taxis.
            4. 31231
              31231 30 March 2014 20: 11
              +8
              Why are miners on strike when necessary, and when do not work? Why didn’t anyone go by tens of thousands of miners to Maidan to defend Yanukovych with his fists?
              Or maybe you confess and say that deep down you hoped that Vegetable was considered a thief and he should not be defended ?!
              Why are there no strikes now, but mostly people of retirement age go to the rally? What again are waiting for paramogs and God's help?
              The population of the three eastern regions is more than 10 million. If only half went aggressively against the current government.
              Now only one pro-Russian politician is attending the presidential election. Dopa.
              Do you think that he is a thief and a bandit? And how will the vegetable become a shifter?
              Well then, and get a new Yusch in the person of Piglet. And further svidomization of Ukraine will go.
              Then your people made extreme in the Svidomization of Ukraine Eunukhovich. Not Yushchenko, not Kuchma, but that is Vegetable.
              It’s time to open his eyes, when Yushche began active Svidomo education of youth under the guise of patriotism.
              1. Antor
                Antor 31 March 2014 00: 09
                +1
                And they are probably waiting for the Russians to lay their heads for them. And they will stand by and wait for a bright life. No matter how they outwit themselves or understand nothing, what a plague came to them from the Western regions!
                1. Dmitry Donskoy
                  Dmitry Donskoy 31 March 2014 03: 36
                  +3
                  Yes, the Russians, the United States and the West will not be allowed to enter Ukraine, such a worldwide howl will rise. Now, if the southeast of Ukraine rose as the Crimea, then another thing. And for this you need leaders in the Crimea to have. And the people themselves, even in the southeast, are heterogeneous as in the Crimea. Many are stupefied with geyropeyskoy propaganda. So the south-west will have to be silent in a rag and endure everything. It is also surprising that the miners are somehow passive, but they are cool people.
                  1. Egen
                    Egen 31 March 2014 07: 18
                    +1
                    Alas, the miners are no longer the same as we had in Kuzbass in the early 90s, when they went to Moscow. It is true that even then politicians used them in order, but nevertheless they themselves were power and thought with their own heads. Then, in the 90s, we just had nothing to eat for the people, we have practically mono-cities, everything was kept only by the breadwinner-miner. Then the entire population simply had no way out. And now even in our country, first of all, the people are divided into separate groups - segments, the authorities have tried (there was an article about this recently) - therefore, there is no longer a single monolithic mining brotherhood. And around food and benefits is full - there would be money. And to earn them - you have to "dodge" better than your neighbor. In Kuzbass, the number of miners has decreased by a third compared to Soviet times (from 300 to roughly 200 thousand), while production has even slightly surpassed. Capitalist relations, however - work better, etc. than your neighbor, and they will reduce him and not you ... :( IMHO in Ukraine it is still much cooler in this regard :(
            5. nizrum
              nizrum 30 March 2014 22: 04
              +4
              How did they not know that? He lived in Poltava in the 90s, so "friendship trains" came to us from the western region. Everything was, only they did not take it seriously.
            6. Anna Kirichuk
              Anna Kirichuk April 1 2014 12: 45
              0
              I wonder if President Yushchenko gave the title of Hero of Ukraine to Bandera? And somehow the country "ate" it - why wonder where fascism came from? Lord, save and preserve Ukraine! ..
        3. 31231
          31231 30 March 2014 19: 58
          +7
          You know, there were and I hope there are Ukrainians Akim, Makarov, Kars.
          1. Akim wanted to go to Europe.
          2. Makarov wanted to overthrow Yanukovych.
          3. Kars believed that everything was fine in nenko.

          Most Russians warned that Maidan is evil. Someone listened ?!
          We got what we wanted:
          1.Ukraine tse Evropa.
          2. The vegetable is overthrown.
          3.Ukraine is panicking.

          They told the Ukrainians not to "drink", the hangover will be even worse.

          I hope you will not blame the Russian Federation for this hangover?
          1. Anper
            Anper 30 March 2014 20: 38
            +4
            Quote: 31231
            You know, there were and I hope there are Ukrainians Akim, Makarov, Kars

            You forgot the MARINE. He sincerely convinced everyone here that the Maidan was a just cause. I often remember him, because I would like to NOW know his point of view, because he did not troll here, he expressed his opinion. But something he had not come in a long time ago.
      2. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 30 March 2014 16: 40
        +73
        Most people are fools. Adults, held, strong ... stupid. When I was an engineer at a thermal power plant, we were given every month to read the analysis of accidents occurring in the unified energy ring. About five percent of them were absolutely monstrous, some kind of incredible fiction (usually understood only by specialists, so I won’t give it).
        The rest of 95% we sadly called "fried electricians". People, as a rule, have worked for 10-15 years in production in their specialty, and burned out on tires from non-observance of elementary rules. Specialized education, vast experience (regular reading of those very reviews) and gradually growing confidence - nothing like this can happen to me!
        After all, this is idiocy. But nothing, absolutely nothing, is unable to knock out stupid banal stupidity from an adult, trained, trained person. Only death stops! A man goes to her himself, being convinced that nothing bad can happen to me. Useless. All is useless. Even when they are hit in the face with a butt, most will cling to their stupidity with all their might. To collect teeth from the floor and repeat - Putin is to blame! And they will go to war with us. For the preservation of stupidity. Required.
        1. infinite silence ...
          infinite silence ... 30 March 2014 16: 44
          +13
          Misha! Yes Yes Yes! This is exactly the case! I agree 100%!
        2. ra3lcj
          ra3lcj 30 March 2014 17: 29
          +5
          the absolute truth, he climbed into the bus 380v having at that time a colossal experience in power networks.
          1. kotvov
            kotvov 30 March 2014 19: 57
            +1
            Congratulations, although I’m not surprised. My classmate, having worked as a high-voltage electrical engineer, died at his dacha, switching over the 220V supply.
        3. delfinN
          delfinN 30 March 2014 18: 29
          +11
          On another branch I took:
          I have been living in this moronic country for 23 years already and I never cease to be amazed at the UNIQUE stupidity. which is in the air. The PEOPLE are forgotten to such an extent that they understand nothing, distinguish nothing. And if you are trying to put brains in some freak, he says that "then Moscow propaganda." EVERYONE watches THAT US-funded STUPID LIE TV and believes IT. I KNOW EXACTLY - hOHOL loves only a STICK. hokhol and will not guess that it is unpleasant to urinate under him; he needs to be hit on the head and fidgeted ...
          1. shasherin_pavel
            shasherin_pavel 30 March 2014 22: 52
            +4
            I have been to Chernigov and could not convince my mother-in-law and father-in-law that our program "Vremya" runs in Moscow at 21 o'clock, which means that it should run at the bottom in winter at 20:00, and in summer at 19:00 with the transition to summer time. They believed that our "Vremya" is on air at 21:00 Ukrainian time. And what kind of rubbish are being carried by the planted announcers, you listen and wonder, is there really a coup in Moscow again and 90 is back. They told me: "Russia is selling us gas at exorbitant prices." I told them: "So buy our gas from Poland, it will only be twice as expensive." "So they break such prices." At least a stake on the head is scratched.
            1. solaco
              solaco 31 March 2014 11: 09
              +1
              Quote: shasherin_pavel
              They told me: "Russia is selling us gas at exorbitant prices."

              And how does this affect them? smile
              Yesterday I talked with a friend from Krivoy Rog on Skype, asking how much you pay for gas? About 8 hryvnia per person (30 rubles approximately). I pay 44-82. what
        4. family tree
          family tree 30 March 2014 20: 03
          +5
          Quote: Mikhail3
          Most people are fools. Adults, held, strong ... stupid.

          what Okay, so I broke it. I, here, am also an electrician, only playing, with the 5th group, with a height tolerance and with operational rights, in general, operational and repair personnel. Go
          The other 95% we sadly called "fried electricians"

          1. There is such a book on which exams every year. It is called "Interindustry rules on labor protection (safety rules) during the operation of electrical installations." Written in very clumsy clerical language, 175 pages with attachments. Written according to the precedents collected and systematized over a long time. In addition to her, there is also a bunch of departmental instructions, which are also written according to precedents, so everything is taken into account. As a result, if an electrician dies in production, then this means that he has violated some point
          elementary rules
          and otherwise it just can’t.
          (regular reading of those reviews)
          2. Zadolbali! Instead of preparing equipment, tools, materials, and discussing and working out our actions according to the scheme, in the morning, we sit and listen to whoever is where. Then the same thing, but already in the form of an order, so as not to do this anymore, everything is under the signature that is familiarized. And everything starts the same: "Despite the measures taken, the situation with injuries on, etc." The rejection of this information is already at a subconscious level. You remember who, where, when and how much, they may ask.
          Most people are fools.
          This phrase is generally a masterpiece. Based on the fact that death without violating the rules is obviously impossible (point 1) and there is a certain constant amount of those who violated (the number of believers + the human factor (fatigue, illness, alcohol)independent of anything conclude that most people are fools. And in the days of the USSR, and now, no matter what, on the glands of Russia perished, perish and will perish about 25-30 electricians per year. Yes, at least what you do, anyway.
          Profile education, vast experience
          These die about 55-60% of all. Since young animals ahead of them, on live parts, rarely when they climb, they basically do not let them in, you never know, it's better to see for yourself. hi
          1. shasherin_pavel
            shasherin_pavel 30 March 2014 23: 05
            +1
            There are exceptions: In Soviet times, two trainees from the hobzaik came to Severonickel in the eighth shop of cobalt-nickel concentrate. An electrician of the fifth category leads them through the power plants and shows: here you can work with me, it’s too early for you here, and he comes to the factory KTPushka, opened the door, pointed his finger inward and said: "And here you are ..." street and watched him lead the trainees and see: a huge voltaic arc passed through the electrician's hand and only burnt boots remained from him. In the full sense of the word ... They collected the ashes in a box from under the fire shield, pouring out sand. First there was a commission from Severonikel, then from Murmansk, then from Leningrad, and even from Moscow, but no one understood anything. The electrician did not even touch the threshold with his boots, and why, when the doors to the KTPushka opened, he was not electrocuted? Not a topic of course, but I remembered.
            1. family tree
              family tree 30 March 2014 23: 49
              +3
              Quote: shasherin_pavel
              There are exceptions:

              Apparently this is the very 5%. Although how many of them actually request In investigations, everything is not always clear, and the nature of electricity is unlikely to ever be studied to the end.
          2. ty60
            ty60 31 March 2014 00: 01
            +3
            I’m from the fourth. Colleague, people reading the boring instructions of PTE and PTB do not always perceive them clearly, but they are written by the lives of the deceased. And I will never send a young impudent zac in front of me. Once again, I’ll be safe, I’ll ask the boy what needs to be done this situation?: Alive so far. And I wish you the same.
            1. family tree
              family tree 31 March 2014 00: 18
              +3
              Quote: ty60
              people reading boring instructions PTE and PTB do not always perceive them clearly, but they are written by the lives of the dead

              What am I talking about? 24 years already somersaults, three more and retired. It became hard for the young to chase along the stages. And so, UVN and PZ are our EVERYTHING! Good luck
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 31 March 2014 04: 38
                +7
                "Working with electrical wiring - de-energize it"!

                Kozma Prutkov, engineering No. 23
          3. carver
            carver 31 March 2014 10: 44
            +2
            Quote: perepilka
            (regular reading of those reviews) 2. Zadolbali! Instead of preparing equipment, tools, materials, and discussing and working out our actions according to the scheme, in the morning, we sit and listen to whoever is where. Then the same thing, but already in the form of an order, so as not to do this anymore, everything under the signature that is familiarized. And it all starts the same: "Despite the measures taken, the situation with injuries, etc." The rejection of this information is already at a subconscious level. You remember who, where, when and how much, they may ask.


            Well, a person does not describe the current situation, before such dibilism with almost daily letters, and then there were no orders and orders for each case. He calls them injuries reviews, i.e. summarized all cases for a certain time, the results of the investigation and analysis, plus events. And now, yes, everyone is sickened, everything is washed away and forgotten right there.
          4. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 31 March 2014 13: 41
            0
            I am not an electrician, a heating engineer. It was. Now - security systems. Yes, there is such a book, I took exams every year. Now what are choral readings? wink In my time, reviews were simply handed out on a shift basis, everyone read when it was convenient, no one checked anything. If a person doesn’t understand himself that he needs information, you won’t force it. There was such an understanding in the power system of the USSR.
            Quote: perepilka
            human factor (fatigue, illness, alcohol)
            And the masterpiece conclusion is
            Quote: perepilka
            independent of anything
            . I beg you - reconsider your attitude to security, as well as an idea of ​​the level of your intelligence. I understand - it's a shame. But it's about your life!
            If a person climbs to work on a high one too tired, sick, or (it's a pitchfork !!) under alcohol - these are reasons beyond his control ?! Yes you said, or what ?! This means that a person is stupid like a navel! That he has no place in electricians, he needs to tie his hands behind his back, until he tears off something for himself trying to pee!
            So I wrote a post about this. That a person gets drunk, and then believes
            that what was done in a drunken stupor is for reasons beyond his control. That he was beating a hack at midnight, he got to work - he couldn't hold his legs, he grabbed - his hand was burnt out. Is this, ekarny babay, "independent reasons" ?!
            Damn you all! You are a great illustration for my post, at least put in a red corner ...
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        7. Mih
          Mih 30 March 2014 22: 31
          0
          The other 95% we sadly called "fried electricians"
          The sad truth of life. The theory confirmed by practice is a regularity. (Dialectical materialism K. Marx. F. Engels. V. Ulyanov on the basis of Hegel's philosophy)
        8. Dmitry Donskoy
          Dmitry Donskoy 31 March 2014 03: 45
          0
          Mikhail3, you correctly said about human stupidity, voiced my thoughts. People do not know history well, do not know how (or are too lazy) to analyze, easily fall under agitation. Therefore, they are naive and stupid as small children.
        9. carver
          carver 31 March 2014 10: 35
          +1
          Quote: Mikhail3
          Profile education, vast experience (regular reading of those reviews) and gradually growing confidence - nothing like this can happen to me!


          Well, you know that in the risk zone there are always those who have just come and those who already consider themselves to be a guru (statistics also confirm this), therefore here most likely it is not stupidity but psychology.
    3. bubla5
      bubla5 30 March 2014 16: 37
      +12
      But with the tacit consent of the majority, everything is going on
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 30 March 2014 18: 16
        +5
        Quote: bubla5
        with the tacit consent of the majority

        and the Union collapsed. And now we’re groaning, damn it. If the majority had not been silent then, none of this would have happened today.
        1. Al_lexx
          Al_lexx 30 March 2014 19: 18
          +4
          Quote: c1n7
          Quote: bubla5
          with the tacit consent of the majority

          and the Union collapsed. And now we’re groaning, damn it. If the majority had not been silent then, none of this would have happened today.

          No one was silent. Everyone was against it. But the parliament was banally shot from tanks. that was it.
          1. family tree
            family tree 30 March 2014 20: 14
            +2
            Quote: Al_lexx
            No one was silent. Everyone was against it.

            And the results of the referendum were sent in a "democratic" way, i.e. field, forest, peat bog, in general ...
    4. saha471
      saha471 30 March 2014 21: 17
      +1
      Yeah. Most looked at it as a circus in their home. With interest. They even came closer! And what? In two blocks, life is the same. Restaurants, cafes, everything works. Want exotic-let's see! Interrrrresnooooo !!! And now, wow. Can I fly in the face? How so? I did not order !!! So simple! And simplicity is worse than theft. And I feel sorry for them and not sorry at the same time. Mixed feelings...
    5. aleks 62
      aleks 62 31 March 2014 13: 15
      0
      And what did they strive for ???? Did not teach anything 2004god .... Now let them slurp to the fullest ....
  • Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 30 March 2014 15: 48
    +15
    Revolutionary banditry is booming. This is to be expected.
    But I do not have friends in Ukraine to confirm this.
    Ukrainians write more and more often!

    If only the events did not begin to develop according to the book "Marauder" by Berkem al Atomi
    At one time I thought that Russia could not avoid this
    1. dzen123
      dzen123 30 March 2014 16: 08
      +15
      Events in Ukraine are getting closer in development to the plot of the book by Gleb Bobrov "The Age of the Stillborn" (2009)

      He himself considered this book a fantasy from the section "if only if only ..."

      But how it happened ...
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 30 March 2014 17: 07
        +2

        dzen123 BY  Today, 16: 08 ↑


        Events in Ukraine are getting closer in development to the plot of the book by Gleb Bobrov "The Age of the Stillborn" (2009)

        ,,, similar works "War 2010: Ukrainian Front", "War 2011. Against NATO." Berezin Fedor Dmitrievich ,,,,
        1. Gunsmith
          Gunsmith 30 March 2014 20: 57
          +6
          I have dozens, hundreds of books on this subject. Before the famous events, I also thought that they were fantastic. But no, as life shows. If only the story did not end as in the book * Metro-2033 *!
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    2. infinite silence ...
      infinite silence ... 30 March 2014 16: 29
      +17
      Revolutionary banditry is booming.


      After the impending amnesty, they generally drown in this D ... ME.
      1. Zeus
        Zeus 30 March 2014 18: 20
        +4
        After the release of criminals in Ukraine, that fun will begin. Interestingly, the OSCE observers will do what looking at this mess. However, among the law enforcement officers and other maydauns, according to the media, there are so many people who have served.
        1. polly
          polly 30 March 2014 19: 46
          +2
          Quote: Zeus
          Interestingly, the OSCE observers will do what looking at this mess.

          So they have the main professional quality to watch - and not seewink
          1. internatio
            internatio April 1 2014 21: 15
            0
            Polly, you are wrong. Journalists carry out an order: to talk live about the corpses in the Crimea on the streets of cities, about the new deportation of Tatars and other nonsense. We have already seen all this in Crimea. When on the screensaver there is a picture of a polite green man with a machine gun in Simferopol, while the reporter himself is wearing a helmet and desperately gesturing something broadcasts in English. At the same time: "NO Speak rush!" How, bastard, did you get accreditation in Crimea? We found translators. Ours. We listened. Booed. Or shouted slogans: Crimea with Russia forever! etc. It helped! So, dear Ukrainian southeastern brothers - learn from the experience. Although I'm sure - have already learned!
    3. internatio
      internatio April 1 2014 21: 06
      0
      Dear forum users! There is no and there was no revolution in Ukraine. There are simply gang formations, mercenaries and a local murmur + rotten intellectuals, who, under the leadership of big business in the West and the USA (and special services), carried out a bourgeois-nationalist coup on the fascist type. I saw this at the very beginning: on December 1 and 2, 2013 I was on the Maidan and in Kiev. Regarding the development of events in Russia in this way, it is not here to discuss it. Write, who thinks something, understands, wants to confront the mess - in PM.
  • Keeper
    Keeper 30 March 2014 15: 50
    +10
    If Ukraine is not allowed into the EU (and it should be so), then everyone who is now against Russia will be in the forefront (a traitor once - there is a traitor forever!) Who will beat their own leaders ...
    1. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov 30 March 2014 18: 17
      +4
      Quote: Keeper
      If Ukraine is not allowed into the EU (and it should be so), then everyone who is now against Russia will be in the forefront (a traitor once - there is a traitor forever!) Who will beat their own leaders ...

      No, the leaders will be good, but Russia as a whole and Putin in particular will be to blame!
      As for the European Union: 45 million people with a serious layer of crime, with a completely killed economy? I’ll be very surprised if they accept the EU!
      It will be possible to put an end to the EU!
      1. Mih
        Mih 30 March 2014 22: 44
        0
        It will be possible to put an end to the EU!
        Do you have to drop the euro?
  • infinite silence ...
    infinite silence ... 30 March 2014 15: 50
    +56
    Worse and worse ... Miners, metallurgists are forbidden to go to rallies, under the threat of losing their jobs. Students - respectively. You can get it on the head if you go with the St. George ribbon ...
    Demands of the people-do not hear.
    It seems that Kiev deliberately ignores the East.
    1. tianna
      tianna 30 March 2014 16: 10
      +22
      Quote: infinite silence ...
      Worse and worse ... Miners, metallurgists are forbidden to go to rallies, under the threat of losing their jobs. Students - respectively. You can get it on the head if you go with the St. George ribbon ...
      Demands of the people-do not hear.
      It seems that Kiev deliberately ignores the East.


      He’s afraid, he’s ignoring him, soon the phariones will come to Ukrainize us invisible, those who do not understand the politics of the party
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 30 March 2014 16: 15
        +17
        Quote: tianna
        will come to Ukrainize us invisible

        oh well, a little jump, prove that not a mark. wassat
        py.s. I understand that it sounded cruelly, but ... didn’t you yourself let the banderlogs set the rules?
        1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
          Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 30 March 2014 16: 36
          +9
          We wanted the best, it turned out as always.
          V. Chernomyrdin.
      2. infinite silence ...
        infinite silence ... 30 March 2014 16: 15
        +44
        The head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry Deshchitsa at a meeting with Lavrov openly said that Ukraine considers the proposals on federalization and granting the Russian language the status of the second state language unacceptable.
        That's all. This is an official statement.
        Huge cookie towards the East.
        1. nika407
          nika407 30 March 2014 16: 51
          +10
          But this was not said by the Master of Ukraine - Obama. So, with further pressure on brown, federalization will be squeezed out. But we ourselves must fight, go to the demonstrations.
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 30 March 2014 17: 24
            +8
            Quote: nika407
            But this was not said by the Master of Ukraine - Obama. So, with further pressure on brown, federalization will be squeezed out. But we ourselves must fight, go to the demonstrations.

            This is not enough, it is necessary to create squads on the model of Yarosh. And stop by all means browns.
            1. Rus2012
              Rus2012 30 March 2014 17: 45
              +9
              Quote: Sandov
              This is not enough, it is necessary to create squads on the model of Yarosh.

              ... for those who cannot, but are in the internet, at least meticulously keep the "Chronicle of events ..." with a description of the crimes of the junta:
              -when
              -Where
              -Who
              -what did

              because the world doesn’t know about the volumes of violence, robberies, business presses and the heroes of these creatures ...

              It is not necessary to upload them to your pages, but send them to your friends in other countries. In an extreme case, spread it here ...
              1. internatio
                internatio April 1 2014 21: 36
                0
                Or send it in a personal, in "DOT", created for information warfare, including.
        2. Zeus
          Zeus 30 March 2014 18: 24
          +4
          Well they said, and then what. We have the necessary resources for the Ukrainian economy. Necessary markets with us. We can reinforce our words. And our words were such that there would be no recognition of the authorities until there were elections throughout Ukraine after the disarmament of all maydowns and the fulfillment of the remaining conditions of the February 21 agreement.
        3. internatio
          internatio April 1 2014 21: 32
          0
          Uh no, dear! Poor you know Ukraine. Ministry of Foreign Affairs and poghans-border guards + customs = fully formed B.A.N.D.E.R.O.C.A.M.I. structure. But the people are so easy not to break. And the resistance is growing.
          And on official statements of Ex to our people - ... sneeze.
    2. rhd
      rhd 30 March 2014 16: 15
      +11
      Indeed it is! I confirm!
    3. sv68
      sv68 30 March 2014 17: 45
      +6
      you are those creatures that are forbidden to wear St. George ribbons send to us in Rostov-on-Don. and forget about their existence
    4. thimble
      thimble 30 March 2014 18: 05
      +6
      A weak strike? Where are union leaders?
      1. internatio
        internatio April 1 2014 21: 45
        +1
        Trade unions in Ukraine are practically neutered. Or bought. Or dispersed, whom they could not buy. Strikes need to be built competently. Define goals and objectives. Develop tactics. At the same time ensure the safety of leaders. Provide for the right plaque. And their provocations. Invite the media, and seek their presence and work. Post footage on the Internet, provide comments. Comments translate into English and send around the planet, in their media. And in the normal Russian media. And to us, to the Crimea.
    5. Penzyac
      Penzyac 30 March 2014 18: 14
      +17
      Is it weak to start an indefinite strike? Banderlog will not get into the mine on their own: their guts are too thin for such work, especially since they are not used to working at all. Where are your unions? Helping strikers from Russia (for example, through the "Red Cross") is easier to organize than to send troops to Ukraine (there is much less stench from the West and sanctions cannot be justified).
      And the chiefs (without witnesses) should warn that the miners know where they live, what routes they go, let them choose with whom they are: with the miners or the oligarchs, you can’t buy health and the oligarchs will not take them with you abroad.
      By the way, a strike is considered a peaceful means of protest, you just need to maintain an efficient state of mines and metallurgical furnaces, but you don’t have to produce commercial products, and they will force someone to work, so sabotage is also a terrible force.
      1. thimble
        thimble 30 March 2014 18: 55
        +4
        Quote: PENZYAC
        Help strikers from Russia

        By the way, let the Russian trade unions prove in practice that they exist not only on paper. In the West, material and financial assistance from related trade unions to striking sectors is widespread.
        1. 31231
          31231 30 March 2014 20: 23
          +3
          Shaw, again, Russia owes you?
          Only you create your own destiny.
          1. thimble
            thimble 30 March 2014 21: 05
            +2
            Who is it for us? I actually live in Russia. Russia owes nothing to anyone, but it must defend its interests not only by force. The same Americans invested 5 mln in the organization of the Maidan. And avaricious pays twice.
        2. Penzyac
          Penzyac 30 March 2014 20: 39
          +1
          Quote: dedal
          Quote: PENZYAC
          Help strikers from Russia

          By the way, let the Russian trade unions prove in practice that they exist not only on paper. In the West, material and financial assistance from related trade unions to striking sectors is widespread.


          And now, let it strike first, and then the conversation will be substantive about help, and so, all blah blah blah, again imperial Moscow is to blame for everything ...
          1. thimble
            thimble 30 March 2014 21: 02
            +3
            Well, of course, they must make their own decisions. But to suggest different ways of struggle is not a sin.
      2. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 30 March 2014 20: 54
        +2
        I agree. Strike, sabotage is a very powerful weapon. Just to organize a strike, you need a LEADER! Even in a small team, even in an industry, and even more so with a general one. A leader, even on a small scale, is not yet visible. And trade unionists, and communists, and socialists stuck their heads in the sand according to the principle "my house is on the edge", and all sorts of "rightists" take off their pants from intoxicated Ukrainians and whip their bare asses! Apparently they have not drunk their cup to the bottom, it can be seen that it has not even reached their bright heads in which they have gotten themselves! It's a pity!
    6. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov 30 March 2014 18: 21
      +3
      Quote: infinite silence ...
      It seems that Kiev deliberately ignores the East

      And why did you still believe the opposite?
      You are even more naive than us!
    7. 31231
      31231 30 March 2014 20: 18
      +2
      Once again I say, get together on social networks and go collectively to vote for one pro-Russian candidate. Russia will expose its observers and there will already be an occasion to intervene in the affairs of Ukraine.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 30 March 2014 20: 53
        +2
        Quote: 31231
        Once again I say, get together on social networks and go collectively to vote for one pro-Russian candidate. Russia will expose its observers and there will already be an occasion to intervene in the affairs of Ukraine.


        Nothing of the kind, participation of the South-East in the "elections" will be an indirect recognition of the usurper power, their legitimation. Do you really hope that the "elections" will be fair? Do you think a representative of the South-East will be allowed to become president (especially Tsarev)? This is simplicity, which is worse than stealing.
        1. 31231
          31231 30 March 2014 22: 43
          0
          For this, for some reason I have no doubt that Russia will expose its observers.
          And if you don’t go to vote for anyone, then it will turn out: Petro Poroshenko is the president with 20% of the vote.
        2. internatio
          internatio April 1 2014 21: 52
          +1
          People, the elections in May should be disrupted. Because these elections are illegal! Look for judges, prosecutors, professional lawyers, etc. Submit to the courts the decision to hold illegal elections in the country. Write to international courts. Write to the international media about the illegality of the elections in May. There is still time. Hurry !!!
    8. Stas
      Stas 30 March 2014 21: 29
      +4
      You are so scared, gentlemen, Ukrainians lose their jobs and get on the head, you think that everything will resolve itself or again someone will come for you to do this ... to dig and shed their blood; then continue to sit along your holes, get in the face and be afraid while you are bending. Every man is a doctor. If you want to rake the heat with the wrong hands - now it will not work. Until you wash your bloody little yushka, do not cleanse yourself and understand that everything is only in your hands - no one will help you. Organize and act together.
    9. internatio
      internatio April 1 2014 21: 24
      +1
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXPOAbilFg8
      Dear Southeast to us and me! Check out the link. And most importantly - take care of people. Identify strangers. And Kiev's ignorance of the East is fake. In fact, everyone is "written", filmed, revealed who, what and where. Therefore, create self-defense, guard the leaders. And cool young hotheads - too easily they fly off the shoulders or "coils". Write to us, Crimeans. In a personal.
  • svetlomor
    svetlomor 30 March 2014 15: 51
    +5
    Why complain about what we fought for, and now only as in a song, we will achieve liberation with our own hand.
  • Chifka
    Chifka 30 March 2014 15: 53
    +44
    Banderlogs are actively working on their actions against years of anti-Russian propaganda in Ukraine. Themselves open their eyes to the inhabitants of the country, who is who, who is the true enemy, and who is imaginary, invented.
    It is unfortunate that such an epiphany is connected with sacrifice and humiliation for Ukrainians. In many ways, ordinary residents are not to blame; they are experimented with by corrupt Ukrainian, European and American politicians.
    Well, the sooner they will see. As already said in neighboring branches, it is better to burn an ulcer right away, until it has grown.
    1. infinite silence ...
      infinite silence ... 30 March 2014 16: 31
      +13
      Themselves open their eyes to the inhabitants of the country, who is who, who is the true enemy, and who is imaginary, invented.


      For those who think, it was immediately clear. But the media work very seriously! Brainwashing is colossal! People no longer understand what to believe!
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 30 March 2014 16: 42
        +18
        And why understand something if someone breaks into your house shouting "glory to the heroes, let’s denga", then you should not believe, but in the dundel together with your neighbor. With an ax it is quite possible to privatize a gun, with a gun - AKM, and so on ...
        1. sniper
          sniper 30 March 2014 16: 53
          +17
          Quote: NDR-791
          , and in the dundel together with a neighbor.

          So then yes .... And you tried to negotiate with your neighbors in the garage to hire a tractor to clean the snow, or pour the road, or .....
          1. dmitriygorshkov
            dmitriygorshkov 30 March 2014 18: 34
            0
            Quote: sniper
            So it’s yes .... Have you tried to negotiate with your neighbors in the garage to hire a tractor to clean the snow, or pour the road, or.

            With all due respect, not those analogies!
            Where is the snow with the track and where is your own skin and the life of loved ones?
      2. andrei332809
        andrei332809 30 March 2014 16: 45
        +3
        Quote: infinite silence ...
        People no longer understand what to believe!

        and their eyes, looking not at the monitor and the zombie, have not tried?
        1. infinite silence ...
          infinite silence ... 30 March 2014 17: 08
          +12
          To your own eyes ... Have you tried to convince a woman of advanced age that TV shows NOT THE TRUTH! ... It's not about me!
          1. Anatolich
            Anatolich 30 March 2014 19: 27
            +7
            My friend's mother-in-law lives in Gorlovka, so when you were boiling in the Crimea they quarreled on the phone. Mom ran into a daughter so that God forbid, such as urgently call Putin, let him urgently send troops from the Crimea.
          2. Penzyac
            Penzyac 30 March 2014 19: 39
            +5
            Quote: infinite silence ...
            To your own eyes ... Have you tried to convince a woman of advanced age that TV shows NOT THE TRUTH! ... It's not about me!


            Yes, cut her antenna cable once, twice, three, let her go out and look at reality.
      3. zvereok
        zvereok 30 March 2014 17: 56
        +7
        I have an aunt in the midst of a story with
        She came to Crimea - she said that in Ukraine and in our country the media show completely different things. In Ukraine, Russian armored personnel carriers were spinning at full speed. From Internet sources I saw only one armored personnel carrier, which they seemed to be placed near the administration of Simfiropol. But clearly the brain was washed either with me or with her, so they decided not to talk about politics. Aunt came by the way on a business trip, under some kind of military contract.
      4. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 30 March 2014 18: 30
        +5
        Quote: infinite silence ...
        Brainwashing is colossal! People no longer understand what to believe!

        Unfortunately there is nothing to rinse! The primer was already lit up before school!
      5. Penzyac
        Penzyac 30 March 2014 19: 34
        +3
        And, here, the media and communications will take, first of all, as Comrade bequeathed. Lenin (mail, telephone, telegraph) and corrupt magazines should be aware of this.
        1. Dmitry Donskoy
          Dmitry Donskoy 31 March 2014 04: 15
          +1
          Right now, Russian TV channels are supposedly disabled in Ukraine, but after all, many now have dishes with satellite television, is it really impossible for Ukrainians to watch Russian channels on satellite. On the Internet you can read sites and watch Russian.
      6. 31231
        31231 30 March 2014 20: 24
        +5
        For some time now I started going to YouTube through your media and commented reasonably. Here you go.
        1. infinite silence ...
          infinite silence ... 30 March 2014 21: 30
          +3
          And you did not notice that in most cases, comments are disabled? ... Especially on hot topics !?
          1. 31231
            31231 30 March 2014 22: 45
            +1
            I go to those channels where I’m not disconnected. And the situation is changing. I'm not talking about the fifth anal, it is a priori anal-fenced, but there are many other Svidomo channels.
          2. klopik
            klopik April 2 2014 19: 33
            0
            yes, as the junta seized power, they immediately turned off the comments
          3. klopik
            klopik April 2 2014 19: 33
            0
            yes, as the junta seized power, they immediately turned off the comments
  • Rus2012
    Rus2012 30 March 2014 15: 53
    +1
    Now for a person, the question is no longer a matter of "dividing by 16" the information about the pogroms in Ukraine - now I believe that even 100 of the tragedies that occur daily in this country do not reach us. And I'm even afraid to imagine that my friends will tell you very soon, having come here and not fearing that the guys from the Right Sector will overhear them.


    The presence there of tireless and restless representatives of the promised land, usually up to high heaven, and in all colors used to describe events ...
    Like "Chronological notes from a besieged city".
    Strange of course, maybe they keep quiet for the time being.
    1. tianna
      tianna 30 March 2014 16: 14
      +10
      The presence there of tireless and restless representatives of the promised land, usually up to high heaven, and in all colors used to describe events ...
      Like "Chronological notes from a besieged city".
      Strange of course, maybe for the time being silent. [/ Quote]
      They are waiting for how events will turn out. There the Kharkov "representative" rushes back and forth, now for some, then for others, it is disgusting to look, forgive me, Lord ...
  • WIN969
    WIN969 30 March 2014 15: 54
    +16
    at that time they fiercely defended the right of the people of Ukraine to overthrow their president

    So let them sit there, there’s nothing to go to us, they just wanted and deserved it.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 30 March 2014 16: 52
      +14
      You are absolutely right. It is forbidden to let the "heroes" of the publication in! They will settle down a bit, they will sit on their butts and try to Maidan already with us. The desire for the Maidan is a deep desire to buy rubles for a nickel. Let's destroy everything, and happiness will flow from this, as if from a blown up toilet. And that happiness, a blissful freebie, they hide from us.
      Remember the moans from Bolotnaya? About the "closure of social elevators"? The same thing - let the "social lift" take me to a place where you can do nothing and receive a lot, a lot. Do not offer work! I want an elevator ...
      1. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 30 March 2014 18: 42
        +3
        Quote: Mikhail3
        Do not offer a job! I want an elevator ...

        I agree with you Michael3 RU for all existing interest!
        People who think in categories “I want everything at once, I don’t want to offer a job, why am I not very mentally developed or what?” And we have plenty! We need to deal with our own! Import from outside can rock the balance!
  • Genur
    Genur 30 March 2014 15: 57
    +10
    So it is recalled: And he rebellious asks for the storm. As if there was peace in the storms.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 30 March 2014 15: 58
    +26
    Well what can I say. Soon the population of Russia will increase by another several million people. Although there will be less Tajik-Uzbeks ... But if no jokes, then Ukrainians are either masochists or just children. Who believe in the best. They will be burned alive, but they will still go to work, pay taxes, and sit in front of the TV. Yes, there is no your Ukraine, that's all. Ukraine was only because it was beneficial to Russia. Which gave you the opportunity to steal gas, not to pay for gas. Which for you has built relationships with your businesses. that you would not be bent from hunger. And now all. Russia needs to raise Russia. Because Ukraine has become an enemy.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 30 March 2014 18: 00
      +1
      And if without jokes, then the Ukrainians are either masochists, or just children. Who believe in the best. They will be burned alive, but they will still go to work, pay taxes, and sit in front of the TV.


      Like us under Yeltsin, they voted with their hearts when practically no one supported him. And nothing, ate.
  • Humpty
    Humpty 30 March 2014 16: 00
    +12
    A fairly familiar situation. You can dump, if possible, but it can be different.
    In 2010, after the next coup, the gang of babaev demanded a large amount from one entrepreneur. He took them with a grenade in his hand near the tank with ammonia.
    1. Egen
      Egen 31 March 2014 07: 33
      +1
      Quote: Humpty
      In 2010, after the next coup, the gang of babaev demanded a large amount from one entrepreneur. He took them with a grenade in his hand near the tank with ammonia.

      So this is a big difference. In Kuzbass, in the early 90s, bandits came to the director of the mine, put a diplomat with dollars and a pistol on the table - choose a pier. Therefore, the directors of the mines walked around with guards and kept the machines on the table with papers. A small part of the directors moved to live comfortably abroad, about half of them were shot :( But then, after all, the authorities were at least “FOR”, and there was the last real instance - the Office, which, in the face of a shortage of employees, somehow tried to close the gaps and help. That is, there was still someone to rely on. And in Ukraine now the power itself is AGAINST ...
  • shinobi
    shinobi 30 March 2014 16: 01
    +7
    Then it will be even more fun. In the image and likeness of Chechnya. In vain did the PS militants intern there. And all this under the applause of the West.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 30 March 2014 19: 47
      +1
      Quote: shinobi
      Then it will be even more fun. In the image and likeness of Chechnya. In vain did the PS militants intern there. And all this under the applause of the West.


      So, here, let, like Basayev in Dagestan, just stick outside of "their" territory and no West will dare to condemn Us.
  • Oleg Prophetic
    Oleg Prophetic 30 March 2014 16: 01
    +6
    Yes, life has become more interesting and worse (h_rt take it)
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 30 March 2014 18: 38
      +4
      Quote: Oleg the Prophetic
      Yes, life has become more interesting and worse

      now things will get better wassat
      Moscow. 30 March. INTERFAX.RU - The last batch of assistance from the US government for the Ukrainian Armed Forces arrived in Ukraine by road on 29 in March. According to the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, on Sunday, in general, assistance amounted to 25 thousand boxes of American dry rations MRE, and this is about 330 thousand sets.

      The cargo was transferred by Major Alexis Scott, representative of the Department of Defense Cooperation at the US Embassy in Ukraine. From Ukraine, humanitarian aid was received by Colonel Alexander Ostrovsky, head of the department for the implementation of international treaties of the General Directorate of Military Cooperation and Peacekeeping Operations of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

      As the representative of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine explained, in the near future American dry rations will be distributed among the military units of the logistics support of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

      I wonder if the soldiers will get it, or will the "National Guards" get everything?
      1. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 30 March 2014 18: 58
        +2
        Quote: andrei332809
        From Ukraine, humanitarian aid was received by Colonel Alexander Ostrovsky, head of the department for the implementation of international treaties of the General Directorate of Military Cooperation and Peacekeeping Operations of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

        A strange post for a defunct de facto army!
      2. aleks77
        aleks77 April 3 2014 21: 24
        0
        Interestingly, were there exactly one solder packs in the boxes?
  • mountain
    mountain 30 March 2014 16: 03
    +14
    Yanych, scummed Russia from head to toe, and now X .. does not scratch and lives in that damned. Now, those who do not need help from the Russians in Russia and flee. And who banderlog, chase with yours, what do you think of the country, Russian? We will pick it up and not give it back to any outskirts.
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 30 March 2014 16: 37
      +3
      It happens. Sometimes you have to lean against shit ...
      This is me about Yanyka. Politics, deflate ...
      1. not good
        not good 30 March 2014 21: 10
        +6
        More and more often, Russia is becoming the last refuge for politicians who have become embarrassed because of the near mound. As long as they are at their top and they are doing well, you can bring down and put on Russia as much as you like, but as soon as the train hits you, say the older brother, help and protect. It was necessary not to let Yanukovych exponentially, but to force him to organize resistance, an assault rifle in his mouth and on the barricades. And now he is warm and full, his people stomp and bend, and he also gives people advice saying they don’t give up.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 30 March 2014 16: 04
    +31
    He called his brother in Vinnitsa, although he supported the Maidan, he was quite adequate.
    From the latest news - crime has increased in the city, although the police exist but practically do not work. There is a redistribution of the previously stolen by some in favor of others. Power is in complete stupor, it is not possible to get at least some kind of answer. Everything froze, trade, construction, people began to save money. On a wave of general news from the Crimea, even doubters became ardent supporters of Ukraine in NATO.
    From the conversation, I can safely say that the American plan to pit Slavic nations is bearing fruit. It is sad, of course ........
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 30 March 2014 16: 10
      +6
      APASUS (1) RU  Today, 16: 04 New
      In the wake of the general news from the Crimea, even doubters became ardent supporters of Ukraine in NATO.

      ,,, excuse me, but what prompted them to do so? if not a secret ,,
      1. nikcris
        nikcris 30 March 2014 16: 42
        +6
        What is it? What if they attack Vinnitsa? Come, the prices for lard will rise, for the girls will be lowered. request
        1. Penzyac
          Penzyac 30 March 2014 21: 05
          +1
          Quote: nikcris
          What is it? What if they attack Vinnitsa? Come, the prices for lard will rise, for the girls will be lowered. request


          Meanwhile, "Nemiroff" has already "squeezed" other forces. Why now, without vodka, fat? wassat
          1. nikcris
            nikcris 30 March 2014 22: 49
            0
            We will be the boots, if only not from her. wassat
        2. Elena Nastina
          Elena Nastina 31 March 2014 07: 14
          +1
          Why do you jerk? I am ashamed.
      2. rapid1934
        rapid1934 30 March 2014 17: 41
        +5
        They just use only the information that Ukrainian media give them.
        I think so understandable?
        1. 31231
          31231 30 March 2014 20: 30
          +2
          And what about the Internet canceled in Ukraine?
          1. Penzyac
            Penzyac 30 March 2014 21: 18
            +2
            Quote: 31231
            And what about the Internet canceled in Ukraine?


            Thus, the majority of Ukrainians hardly trust "enemy" Russian sites, their brains are already brainwashed, and the Internet is voluntary, everyone watches what he likes; the more so as the range of Russian sites: as they say, "from Bach to Feuerbach" and "from Edita Piekha to fuck you".
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    3. Turkir
      Turkir 30 March 2014 16: 28
      +23
      crime increased .. power in a stupor --- Call NATO.

      A striking example of gentry thinking.
      There is no chieftain in the bandit gang, they killed. What are we doing?
      Join a neighboring gang. There the guys earn more and the chieftain abruptly. What is the gang called?
      NECESSARY, seem ..
      Well, if necessary ..
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 30 March 2014 16: 52
        +30
        Quote: Turkir
        power in a stupor --- Call NATO

        Every day I’m fucking with these Ukrainians (I’m already ashamed to call them Ukrainians), the further, the funnier. Fuck, but where is the brain? They explain to you like loggers and show on TV the same Kososvo, where NATU called for your help, so there the NATO turned away when Serbs were cut with knives in shrines of temples, in streets, squares. So it will be here, the NATO will stand next to Marlbor U smoke, and Bandera for the feet of the Russians on the square to miss the rope. It is necessary to drive into BOSCH, NATO is the evil ENEMY of RUSSIAN, it is specially created to kill before the Russian.
        Oh, yell, well, I've already erased the whole language to explain what kind of people it is.
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 30 March 2014 18: 13
          +2
          Quote: Sergh
          Every day I’m fucking with these Ukrainians (I’m already ashamed to call them Ukrainians), the further, the funnier.

          Do not rush to hell, there are enough sensible people.
          The people of 20 years of their independence listened to the great prosperity for Ukraine upon joining Europe and NATO. During this time, a generation grew up that did not hear about fraternal Slavic ties.
          Do not forget that Adolf Hitler came to power legally and the Germans with foam at the mouth proved their superiority over other nations.
          Perhaps it wasn’t worth absorbing Crimea so quickly, even if it were an independent state. Abkhazia and South Ossetia did not become worse from their independence. And so throughout Ukraine they consider us invaders ............. what can you do about propaganda
          1. Nekarmadlen
            Nekarmadlen 30 March 2014 18: 49
            +1
            Quote: APASUS

            Perhaps it wasn’t worth absorbing Crimea so quickly, even if it were an independent state. Abkhazia and South Ossetia did not become worse from their independence. And so throughout Ukraine they consider us invaders ............. what can you do about propaganda


            There is some truth in your words. But Crimea, unlike Abkhazia and Ossetia, would be much more difficult. As for the so-called invaders ... Of course, Ukraine will not soon forget this slap in the face, but they left us no way!
          2. dmitriygorshkov
            dmitriygorshkov 30 March 2014 19: 47
            +2
            Quote: APASUS
            Perhaps it wasn’t worth absorbing Crimea so quickly, even if it were an independent state. Abkhazia and South Ossetia did not become worse from their independence

            Sorry, but with all due respect, all these analogies are far-fetched! Yes, we recall German fascism in the analysis of Ukrainian, but still it is not chess! There are no figures strictly white and strictly black here! And the circumstances and people are completely different!
            And if you are trying to equate Crimea with Ossetia, so remember 08.08.08. I hope you don’t think that it was necessary to bring this to the Crimea as well? Moreover, again, that everything is wrong, and the army hardly stopped at the approaches to Kiev !
        2. Penzyac
          Penzyac 30 March 2014 20: 30
          +2
          Quote: Sergh
          Quote: Turkir
          power in a stupor --- Call NATO

          Every day I’m fucking with these Ukrainians (I’m ashamed to call them Ukrainians) ... They explain to you like loggers and show the same Kososvo, where they called NATU for your help, so there the NATO turned away when the Serbs were cut with knives in shrines of temples, in the streets, squares. ...


          They showed us this, we have freedom of speech and information, and they were 23 years old, they showed something else, the propaganda of NATO and "human values", and also that all the evil in the world comes from m_skals, kom_unyak and "bloody gebny", and about the "great proto-ukrov "- the ancestors of Bandera and Shukhevych.
        3. Anper
          Anper 30 March 2014 20: 54
          +1
          Quote: Sergh
          Oh, yell, well, I've already erased the whole language to explain what kind of people it is.

          Now, here in Ukraine, to explain something is the same as to talk about the dangers of drugs in the brothel of drug addicts. Somewhere since the burning of tires on Grushevsky I have not even raised this topic with anyone.
        4. nikcris
          nikcris 30 March 2014 22: 57
          0
          I agree with you 100%, but cover up spite.
    4. Suhov
      Suhov 30 March 2014 16: 49
      +9
      As from this:
      Quote: APASUS
      He called his brother in Vinnitsa, although he supported the Maidan, he was quite adequate.
      From the latest news - crime has increased in the city, although the police exist but practically do not work. There is a redistribution of the previously stolen by some in favor of others. The authorities are in complete stupor, it is not possible to get at least some kind of answer. Everything froze, trade, construction, people began to save money.In the wake of general news from the Crimea ...

      we can draw the following conclusion:
      Quote: APASUS
      ...even doubters became ardent supporters of Ukraine in NATO.

      In the rampant crime and powerlessness of the authorities, what is Russia to blame?
      Where is the logic?
      Unclear...what
      1. Nekarmadlen
        Nekarmadlen 30 March 2014 17: 35
        +16
        Quote: Sukhov

        In the rampant crime and powerlessness of the authorities, what is Russia to blame?
        Where is the logic?
        Unclear...what


        They have no logic! They do not know how to build a causal relationship! I periodically go to the censor. You try to talk to them, as soon as it comes to arguments, they begin to slide into insults and abuse! They don’t want to hear ANYTHING! Absolutely everyone is sure that we are exhausted from sanctions, that Moscow has run out of products, that the whole world will not buy oil and gas from us (starting from April 1), and Crimeans will not be asked today, tomorrow they will be sent back to Ukraine! Oh, and through post they prove to each other that they are not slaves, like some! Kanatchikova’s cottage, simple!
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 30 March 2014 18: 35
          +5
          Quote: Nekarmadlen
          I periodically go to the censor. You try to talk to them, as soon as it comes to arguments, they begin to slide into insults and abuse! They don’t want to hear ANYTHING!

          The censor is the standard of propaganda, there is nothing for a normal person to do, except to analyze what is happening.
          I watched two videos there. In the first, Ukrainian tanks drive directly on the asphalt and the author of the comment claims that they are tanks from Russia and go to the Bryansk region.
          In the second video, there are about 20 helicopters on the field and the author claims that these are 22 Mi-24s aimed at Ukraine. So, out of 22 helicopters, 14 MI-8, this does not bother the author.
          There is no point in proving, although there are also real fights, they are given the opportunity to err
          1. Anper
            Anper 30 March 2014 23: 22
            +1
            Quote: APASUS
            Censor is the standard of propaganda

            The censor is the altar of the Ukrainian intelligentsia with liberal slops in its head. All educated maydaunas were cited as an example of a democratic media.
        2. Baloo
          Baloo 30 March 2014 18: 45
          +3
          Poverty corrupts, it is no longer up to spirituality. It is clear that the population is demoralized, from whom to seek protection? In the 90s, maybe someone forgot, so ordinary Russians did not go to the prosecutor's office for help, but to bandits.
        3. Suhov
          Suhov 30 March 2014 20: 30
          +6
          Quote: Nekarmadlen
          I periodically go to censor...

          I went to the censor. NO.
          A lot of curious and unusual:
          Russia cannot cancel the gas discount for Ukraine until July 1, - lawyer

          Russia spits on their own legislation and issues Crimeans passports with a non-existent region - Tymchuk.

          Deschitsa - Lavrov: Federalization and giving the Russian language the status of the state language for Ukraine is unacceptable

          Separatists hold a rally in Donetsk. PHOTO

          Veche participants thanked Makarevich for supporting Ukraine and invited to the Maidan

          Thanks for the tip.
          hi
          1. Nekarmadlen
            Nekarmadlen 30 March 2014 20: 43
            +2
            Quote: Sukhov

            I went to the censor. NO.
            Thanks for the tip.
            hi

            You too were stunned by evil girls and boys ?! I like in American cartoons, the lower jaw jumped across the floor from the abundance of stupidity, anger, ignorance and petty nasty things on this forum!
            1. Suhov
              Suhov 30 March 2014 20: 49
              +1
              Quote: Nekarmadlen
              You too were stunned by evil girls and boys ?!

              yes

              hi
      2. Oleg Prophetic
        Oleg Prophetic 30 March 2014 17: 39
        +6
        that about what kind of logic can be discussed, if, according to all media bodies, they say that in all the troubles in the world take out Mosk_li.
        1. Nekarmadlen
          Nekarmadlen 30 March 2014 18: 15
          0
          Quote: Oleg prophetic
          that about what kind of logic can be discussed, if, according to all media bodies, they say that in all the troubles in the world take out Mosk_li.

          If suddenly a plague, then the house is still in the same places
          If people go crazy, still not everything is wrong!
      3. APASUS
        APASUS 30 March 2014 18: 01
        +6
        Quote: Sukhov
        In the rampant crime and powerlessness of the authorities that Russia is to blame? Where is the logic? Unclear...

        Excuse me, but what logic are you looking for ??
        The right sector began to storm the Rada after the murder of Muzychko and was quickly declared the hand of Moscow
        Around the enemy and Moscow is in charge of everything ...... AND I UNDERSTAND EVERYONE!
        1. not good
          not good 30 March 2014 21: 23
          +1
          Maybe it’s time for our politicians to quietly outbid the right sector, and set him on Poroshenko, and then publish the documents that Obama is financing, they themselves will make surprised perturbed people, otherwise they will blame me, it will not be offensive anyway.
      4. Cheloveck
        Cheloveck 30 March 2014 19: 49
        +5
        Quote: Sukhov
        In the rampant crime and powerlessness of the authorities that Russia is to blame? Where is the logic?

        It is useless to look for logic in Ukraine.
        Naturally, Russia is to blame, who else?
        At xoxlov Russia and Russians are always to blame for everything.
        A new trend has crept out on Ukrainian sites: PS is the brainchild of Moscow. laughing
    5. 225chay
      225chay 30 March 2014 17: 04
      +5
      Quote: APASUS
      The American plan to pit Slavic nations is bearing fruit. Sadly of course ........


      That's exactly what happens!
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 30 March 2014 21: 24
        +1
        Quote: 225chay
        Quote: APASUS
        The American plan to pit Slavic nations is bearing fruit. Sadly of course ........


        That's exactly what happens!


        A let boomerang always comes back ... hi
        1. 97110
          97110 April 2 2014 12: 46
          0
          As far as I can remember, the battle boomerang does not return. It is heavy and designed to inflict bodily harm. The work of "Children's World", launched by a specially trained launcher, is returning.
        2. 97110
          97110 April 2 2014 12: 46
          0
          As far as I can remember, the battle boomerang does not return. It is heavy and designed to inflict bodily harm. The work of "Children's World", launched by a specially trained launcher, is returning.
    6. Sandov
      Sandov 30 March 2014 17: 29
      +4
      Quote: APASUS
      From the conversation, I can safely say that the American plan to pit Slavic nations is bearing fruit. It is sad, of course ........

      Americans about this tryndeli six months ago. The Slavs slept as always.
    7. vlum
      vlum 30 March 2014 18: 36
      +5
      And they are aware that NATO is not going to enlist Ukraine in its ranks?

      And most interestingly, what should NATO do to Ukraine, according to the private opinion of the residents of Vinnitsa?
      NATO does not give home food. It does not even distribute 3.14lule to terrorists. Let him look, for example, at Iraq or Afghanistan, Libya
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 30 March 2014 20: 02
        +5
        Quote: vlum
        And they are aware that NATO is not going to enlist Ukraine in its ranks?

        They are not aware or even aware of what Yaytsenyuh and Co. sign, but this does not change the essence of what is happening!
        After 20 frantic propaganda, they believe that the Germans will abandon their welfare in favor of the poor. That the French will start to clean the door, but the Belgians will stand at the machines in Ukraine. They still believe that they feed us.
        What to do - these are today's realities
    8. Penzyac
      Penzyac 30 March 2014 19: 53
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      ... In the wake of the general news from the Crimea, even doubters became ardent supporters of Ukraine in NATO.
      From the conversation, I can safely say that the American plan to pit Slavic nations is bearing fruit. It is sad, of course ........


      It means that it is not time yet, they are still blind, so the Americans will squeeze them from the "black water", and then it will be ...
  • Giant thought
    Giant thought 30 March 2014 16: 05
    +11
    This is all tragic. It’s a pity for people, but on the other hand it’s clear that they wanted to sit on the sidelines, saying that this cup is blowing for us, God will let it blow. But it doesn’t carry it, in the end you’ll either have to lie under Bandera scumbags or run away. And there is a third, the most time-consuming way, to rally and give an organized rebuff to scumbags. V.S. Vysotsky said well: There are few real violent ones, and there are no leaders. The leaders should be, but not to show off, so that the guys from the SBU would not be swept up, and in principle our special services should not let everything go by chance. We will say this: the pre-revolutionary situation in the southeast is obvious.
  • pahom54
    pahom54 30 March 2014 16: 07
    +14
    Well, we don’t know the whole truth, we grab information on a little bit where we can. BUT!!! Putin must then be reported in real life what is happening there and how they relate to Russians and Russian speakers. I think, and documentary evidence is not so difficult to obtain if desired. CONCLUSION: it is time to protect the South-East of Ukraine. It is possible up to and including Warsaw. Although, again, we have no need for the possessed zapadents and the thievishly envious Pshek, so the Southeast is enough. With the complete separation of independent Ukraine from access to the sea.
    1. Cheloveck
      Cheloveck 30 March 2014 20: 01
      +2
      Quote: pahom54
      Well, we don’t know the whole truth, we grab information on a little bit where we can. BUT!!!

      Unfortunately, the inhabitants of Ukraine have much less information.
      A friend of his wife from Lugansk writes that she was prepared for the evacuation with her family ... to Lviv!
      In all seriousness, he claims that in Crimea, Ukrainians are fired from their jobs and recruited Russians, families of Ukrainian soldiers who are left in Crimea are thrown out of apartments and houses onto the street, etc., etc.
  • thrower
    thrower 30 March 2014 16: 08
    +19
    Questions for those who live in Ukraine:

    - Are such crimes really committed in the Southeast?

    - Have you tried to contact the police? What is the reaction of the police?

    - Is it possible to create self-defense units of houses, courtyards, etc., while you can notify the police, asking to put on duty a post in the yard or block

    - If there are names and surnames of officials threatening with dismissal, or of policemen who do not accept applications, write here, I can in PM. We will write in all instances - crooks are very afraid of publicity, we will pull them out into the light as we can.
    1. Sandov
      Sandov 30 March 2014 17: 33
      +3
      Quote: thrower
      Questions for those who live in Ukraine:

      - Are such crimes really committed in the Southeast?

      - Have you tried to contact the police? What is the reaction of the police?

      - Is it possible to create self-defense units of houses, courtyards, etc., while you can notify the police, asking to put on duty a post in the yard or block

      - If there are names and surnames of officials threatening with dismissal, or of policemen who do not accept applications, write here, I can in PM. We will write in all instances - crooks are very afraid of publicity, we will pull them out into the light as we can.

      Well done, maybe we can help the people fight banderlogs.
      1. official
        official 31 March 2014 01: 00
        +4
        About Zaporozhye and the Right Sector. I will clarify right away - it was not the plant that was captured, but the dumps of Zaporizhstal. So that you can imagine - this is a huge area of ​​artificial mountainous terrain, for more than 70 years all the metallurgical enterprises of the city threw out production wastes, including unsuccessful smelting. Imagine, they welded 50 tons of nickel steel for armor, and the Quality Department violates GOST in it, the entire melting goes to the dump ... And so 70 years. Since the collapse of the Union, criminal wars for the right to excavation did not stop on the dumps. After all, to dig out such a piece of tons of 15 stainless steel, this is a very, very not a weak jackpot. In practice, we can say that all organized crime groups in the city (and aliens too, including those under the Kiev "roofs") are tied to dumps in one way or another. And so the new ones decided to squeeze out this "technological field". Yes, there were several people from the PS, even someone from the leadership, but the fighters are all local, from the category - anyhow they paid, let's go at least to fight with the Pokémon. When the "Falcon" of the Organized Crime Control Department arrived there, the invaders immediately swaggered until the commander got tired of it and he gave the command to turn around in combat, with a PC, assigning targets, etc. Then all the courage of the invaders evaporated, scattered along the slopes like mice. Well, then came early. The GUMVD and the regional prosecutor (by the way, the former lawyer of the Euromaidan of Zaporozhye), sent "Sokol" to the base and also detained the commander for exceeding, etc.
    2. official
      official 31 March 2014 00: 49
      +3
      Good day to all. Long time did not come. I will explain why - and-no monitor, the new chairman of the Security Council of Ukraine regularly issues high-profile sales of Russian saboteurs and local separatists. In fact, in Dnepropetrovsk, criminal proceedings were instituted against a resident under the article attempted territorial integrity and constitutional order for her statements on the social network (VK seems).
      Now essentially. Crime, especially the general criminal violent part, has grown significantly. It even comes to curiosities when a tram crew (driver and conductor) was robbed in Zaporozhye when they were standing on the terminal. There were a couple of robberies of minibuses. As for the police. In Kiev, I am sure of two cases when ATMs were pulled out by jeeps and the state guards who had passed along were put in dozens of trunks in their faces and said - bring down while you are safe .. Naturally, they dumped. In early March, it was generally cool, now it seems to be calming down, at least in our region. We don’t walk along the streets with weapons, but it’s already dumb to attach the St. George’s ribbon to the car - they will break the wheels, break the glass or pour acid.
  • konvalval
    konvalval 30 March 2014 16: 10
    +4
    Quote: Vi_RUS
    Inform war in action!

    Yes, you also have to have your own eyes and ears, not only to look in the drawer, but also around you. Yes, it would not hurt to live with your own mind.
  • afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 30 March 2014 16: 11
    +3
    zapadentsy first will begin to collapse the outskirts .. when the smell of fried
  • Sevastopol
    Sevastopol 30 March 2014 16: 12
    +7
    Honest Ukrainian media abhor writing about such petty crime on the territory of Ukraine, but almost all the central bands fill the Crimean criminal trifle.
    Now I am gradually trolling on Censor. NO, so here's an interesting moment - there is news under the heading "Corteges appeared on the streets of Kiev again", hung for about ten minutes. Came in - an error, overloaded the page - no article.
    1. Rebus
      Rebus 30 March 2014 17: 21
      +5
      Quote: Sevastopol
      and so here's an interesting moment - there is news under the heading "On the streets of Kiev again corteges", hung for about ten minutes. Came in - an error, overloaded the page - no article.

      It hangs on comments.ua (http://comments.ua/politics/460193-kieve-zamechen-kortezh--smi.html), by the way, also an "interesting" site - Svidomo, in comments, goes off scale ...
      The Ukrainian media keep silent about the persecution and oppression of Russians and make out of themselves offended innocence when you poke their nose at them. In their performance, Ukraine is almost the fairest and most honest state in the world, while Russia is "resident evil" and, what is saddest, many Ukrainian citizens believe in this ...
      1. Gunsmith
        Gunsmith 30 March 2014 21: 31
        +4
        Yes, I personally))) y -
        Quote: Rebus
        many Ukrainian citizens believe in this ...
        - soon life will put everything in its place. EDEM DAS SEINE ... (To each his own). Let's look at their faith later ...
  • rhd
    rhd 30 March 2014 16: 13
    +16
    Yes, about the 100th part - that's right !!! Now if out of 200 applications to the Ministry of Internal Affairs they register and accept, ONE .... What else can I say in this situation !!! No way to stabilize the situation (at least somehow) "They’ve started elections! I’m not talking about the people !!! People don’t need elections !!! In essence, the elections will legitimize their current situation in Kiev and of course the grandmothers thrown into them will be justified !!!
  • Ross
    Ross 30 March 2014 16: 14
    +3
    Quote: infinite silence ...
    Sarcasm ... Yes. But the majority did not seek IT!

    Of course not striving ... But there are history lessons and your own head on your shoulders! Unfortunately, the consciousness of the crowd is captivating and captivating, turning off their own brains. It's time for Ukrainians to get off such "drugs". We in Russia already went through this in the early 90s, and many have gained their minds. Alas, 2004 was not good for Ukraine ...
  • kvnvolga2008
    kvnvolga2008 30 March 2014 16: 18
    +5
    We need organization and self-organization to protect against banditry, and not sitting propping our cheek with our hands and praying for someone's help ...
  • VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 30 March 2014 16: 19
    +6
    I especially like questions like, "Have you tried to contact the police, what is the reaction of the police?" Is it okay that this is the police and comes at night? Why sit when there is another big redistribution? Rob the loot! After the first Maidans, they did not have time! fool
    1. thrower
      thrower 30 March 2014 16: 34
      +4
      In order for Russia to intervene at least at the diplomatic level, "names, surnames, dates" are needed, in a word, specifics are needed, so we ask you to report on specific facts.

      In general, questions from Russians about contacting the police indicate that in Russia we have a high degree of trust in law enforcement agencies.
  • Oml
    Oml 30 March 2014 16: 21
    +4
    At first they supported the criminals. And now they are getting worse and worse about them. Amazing ???
  • killganoff
    killganoff 30 March 2014 16: 23
    +11
    The Russian-speaking population is leaving, territories for the fascists are being freed, with such a pace, all of Ukraine will become far from being a brotherly people.
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 30 March 2014 16: 50
      +3
      it also does not please me at all. You can’t surrender the territory to them, they are precisely what they are achieving!
      The only way to stop such an escape is to finance the Russians in Ukraine. First of all, our fighters.
  • skyil
    skyil 30 March 2014 16: 23
    +2
    The farther into the forest, the more firewood, but how did you want to! Destroy, burn, storm (break not build, the soul does not hurt), and when the truth begins to emerge (and it always pops up early or late) -start clutching his head, what do tepericha do ?!
  • Alexis
    Alexis 30 March 2014 16: 25
    +6
    a friend from Lviv washed away! After the husband was killed, although he is a Benderlog for political views! not active, she is a dude ...
  • AleksPol
    AleksPol 30 March 2014 16: 28
    +2
    Quote: tianna
    Quote: infinite silence ...
    Worse and worse ... Miners, metallurgists are forbidden to go to rallies, under the threat of losing their jobs. Students - respectively. You can get it on the head if you go with the St. George ribbon ...
    Demands of the people-do not hear.
    It seems that Kiev deliberately ignores the East.


    He’s afraid, he’s ignoring him, soon the phariones will come to Ukrainize us invisible, those who do not understand the politics of the party

    So from her faces all the houses scatter (adequate) lol
  • Rusin Dima
    Rusin Dima 30 March 2014 16: 31
    +11
    I won’t tire of repeating - it’s good that Vladimir Vladimirovich did not give the order to send troops to Ukraine, then we would once again be enslavers and not saviors, and with such events, Ukrainians will soon be on their knees begging us to release their bandits at every step
    1. Suhov
      Suhov 30 March 2014 17: 30
      +12
      Quote: Rusin Dima
      I won’t tire of repeating - it’s good that Vladimir Vladimirovich did not give the order to send troops to Ukraine, then we would once again be enslavers and not saviors, and with such events, Ukrainians will soon be on their knees begging us to release their bandits at every step

      Russia in Ukraine had three vulnerabilities:
      1. Naval base in the Crimea,
      2. The pipe
      3. Industrial enterprises of the southeast.
      Now:
      1. Crimea - returned
      2. The pipe was pulled east. There are many consumers.
      Remained Southeast.
      If you resolve the issue with him in an acceptable way,
      interest of "partners" in Ukraine will dramatically weaken. smile
      Waiting for ...
      1. hawk
        hawk 30 March 2014 19: 05
        +2
        Don't oversimplify. "Vulnerability" has deeper roots - historical, when two living neighbors from the same communal apartment periodically beat each other in the face with joy or grief. The US takers have learned to find and fertilize these roots around the world. It is more important for Russia to have a reliable buffer between itself and Europe, read NATO. Taking advantage of the discontent of the southeast, it is possible to bring the matter to the introduction of peacekeepers (a mixed contingent), to create a favorable environment for the coming to power of sound forces. And it is high time to support not the industry of Ukraine, but its own military-industrial complex ...
        1. Suhov
          Suhov 30 March 2014 20: 17
          0
          Quote: hawk
          No need to simplify ...

          I agree. hi
  • Humpty
    Humpty 30 March 2014 16: 35
    +9
    If people want to change something in such a situation, then it is useless to complain to the authorities and outrage the keyboard. If they do not begin to unite in self-defense groups, using available devices, then there will be no sense.
  • mabuta
    mabuta 30 March 2014 16: 38
    +30
    If you sit at the burrows, they will destroy you. Unite and rebuff the evil spirits !!!
  • sigizmund472
    sigizmund472 30 March 2014 16: 38
    +4
    Quote: infinite silence ...
    But the majority did not seek IT!

    Yes, the vast majority of what is happening in Ukraine, of course, did not seek. But! In 1917, the All-Russian Maidan took place, which is still remembered with a kind word. Is it really not clear that any violence first begins, then intensifies, and then provokes opposition and ends ... God forbid Ukraine to survive all this.
  • Cams
    Cams 30 March 2014 16: 41
    +8
    Bandera incidentally is not the majority in Ukraine. Once in Odessa they beat Russians, it means they are to blame for not joining together. They did not fight back.
    Indigenous Bandera also do not particularly favor, would not be offended ..
  • Aleksandr68
    Aleksandr68 30 March 2014 16: 42
    +14
    On New Year's holidays they supported the Maidan, now it’s scary? So they didn’t see their belly button further! Pop freedom with a full spoon! Everyone knows that the revolution is a pig devouring their own children! ). Move to your geysoyuz. You are met there with cookies at the border. fellow
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 30 March 2014 18: 30
      +1
      And who do you think was to support? Yanukovych? Wash is not a finalization of Putin. Or Putin’s ideal plan, if you look from the other side.
      1. Aleksandr68
        Aleksandr68 April 10 2014 21: 35
        0
        Yanukovych, of course, is also a parody of the president, but if the Maidan made it worse, then it was necessary to turn on his head and to differentiate the situation.
  • upasika1918
    upasika1918 30 March 2014 16: 43
    +53
    Do you feel sorry for the defrauded real estate investors? I don’t. Casino losers? I don’t. Lopukhanov MMM? I don’t. Bulgarians and Lithuanians who have become "Tajiks"? I don’t. Libyans and Syrians who became savages overnight? I don’t. Inhabitants of the territory called the outskirts? I don’t. All of them, together and each individually, did not want the good for everyone. Everyone wanted only for themselves. Wanted EVERYTHING and IMMEDIATELY. At someone else's expense. At the expense of other defrauded equity holders, others who have lost in the casino, at the expense of new suckers in the MMM pyramid, at the expense of the misfortune of the Russian neighbor, build new mansions. We are told: "WAS..LO" is a bad word. But what do we see? It was ... well, boors, rabble rules the ball in Kiev. A bunch! And where are the other 40 million defrauded real estate investors? They are waiting!. They are waiting, in the hope of their JUDIN'S SHORT. They justify themselves - Spring. vegetable gardens, you have to work. By the fall, they will begin to be killed openly. Do you feel sorry for them? Those. who have been eating anti-Russian cookies with pleasure for 20 years and have been left without teeth that are so needed right now.
    1. Sandov
      Sandov 30 March 2014 17: 41
      +4
      Quote: upasika1918
      Do you feel sorry for them? Those. who had been eating anti-Russian cookies with pleasure for 20 years and were left without the teeth so needed right now.

      Good and on business. Everyone deserves what they deserve.
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 30 March 2014 18: 33
      +2
      Do you feel sorry for the defrauded real estate investors? I don’t. Casino losers? I don’t. Lopukhanov MMM? I don’t. Bulgarians and Lithuanians who have become "Tajiks"? I don’t.


      And how do you feel about the citizens who allowed the collapse of the USSR and Privatization, i.e. the same MMM?
      1. Gunsmith
        Gunsmith 30 March 2014 21: 42
        +3
        Two big differences - the situation of the collapse of the USSR and today's ukrov lawlessness. Fundamental, starting with the economy and ending with the driving forces, I skip the intermediate stages in order to save time both my own and the reading fraternity. If you do not catch up * - do not ask rhetorical questions.
    3. hawk
      hawk 30 March 2014 19: 10
      +4
      Harsh, but fair.
      PS With the Syrians is not quite the topic
    4. Bully
      Bully 30 March 2014 20: 20
      +9
      Quote: upasika1918
      Do you feel sorry for deceived equity holders? ...


      The thought is true, but ... only at first glance. If you were in a conscious age in the 90s, you must remember that nothing depended on the will and will of the people in the Russian Federation. Change came with the advent of Putin, but who was the initiator of his arrival is the question. It is naive to believe that this was a gesture of good will by Yeltsin. The initiator could be only a very influential group of people or government! There is no need to blame the inhabitants of SE Ukraine for inaction and lack of will, in the 90s we were no different from them. Moreover, we have never seen what is happening with them now, therefore we should not advise any crap.
  • Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 30 March 2014 16: 44
    +12
    so since there are no cops, why will not Odessa residents put on masks and really begin to break the law-abductors and all who rob them?
    1. vinc
      vinc 30 March 2014 16: 57
      +9
      They wait for others to come and ruin everything, and they, with a clear conscience and hands, will spit on the losers.
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  • Magadan
    Magadan 30 March 2014 16: 48
    +7
    Russians in Ukraine need clandestine militias. We need actions against the Maydan Nazis, representatives of the junta, and organized crime groups of the SBU. If some scumbags attack the Russians, it would be nice to have time to take a picture of them on the phone, then the photo will then go to the Internet from the place of events. If even every 10go in a where-thread in the gateway is punished, this will immediately cool the scumbags.
    Everything is not so complicated, but undoubtedly we need brave strong guys, gramotain IT specialists and specialists in spy gadgets, and certainly money. We must donate money. The question is where and to whom, so that we also believe that the loot will go to work and at the same time not to light up any of our
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 30 March 2014 17: 05
      -4
      Magadan
      Russians in Ukraine need clandestine militias. We need actions against the Maydan Nazis, representatives of the junta, and organized crime groups of the SBU. If some scumbags attack the Russians, it would be nice to have time to take a picture of them on the phone, then the photo will then go to the Internet from the place of events. If even every 10go in a where-thread in the gateway is punished, this will immediately cool the scumbags
      .
      You are deeply wrong Dear!
      First terror gives rise to - terror
      Secondly, any military formation that does not have an official status is a temporary measure, and outside the law. (unlike the Crimea, which was a republic and autonomy as a part - all other regions are an indivisible part of Ukraine). So that after the liquidation of such formations, repression will begin, and the German occupation and the 37 year combined will seem like flowers.
      The solution to existing problems should only be lawful. But here I agree with you that you still need to decide!
      1. GRDS
        GRDS 30 March 2014 17: 39
        +12
        Quote: Ruswolf
        Magadan
        Russians in Ukraine need clandestine militias. We need actions against the Maydan Nazis, representatives of the junta, and organized crime groups of the SBU. If some scumbags attack the Russians, it would be nice to have time to take a picture of them on the phone, then the photo will then go to the Internet from the place of events. If even every 10go in a where-thread in the gateway is punished, this will immediately cool the scumbags
        .
        You are deeply wrong Dear!
        First terror gives rise to - terror
        Secondly, any military formation that does not have an official status is a temporary measure, and outside the law. (unlike the Crimea, which was a republic and autonomy as a part - all other regions are an indivisible part of Ukraine). So that after the liquidation of such formations, repression will begin, and the German occupation and the 37 year combined will seem like flowers.
        The solution to existing problems should only be lawful. But here I agree with you that you still need to decide!

        Do you suggest doing nothing? Sit and wait for the next Fergana? During the collapse of the USSR, much was kept silent! How they were cut and driven out of Asia! I myself left because I became "orys" Do you propose to be silent now? Let them cut it, but the words "terror" will not sound?
        1. Ruswolf
          Ruswolf 30 March 2014 17: 49
          -6
          And what, do you think the underground will organize, as suggested by Magadan and engage in beating in the gateway?
          You are aware that those who now have the power - whether you want it or not, will introduce martial law in the country, and others, as you no longer have time to leave.
          Only Maidanute people, who don’t give a damn about the people, can only propose a solution to the question!
          And further! You have a rather interesting logic - not to be silent - means to kill.
          This is the logic and actions of banderlogs .... maybe you are one of them? If not, then I'm sorry it’s not entirely clear why people should be driven to the slaughter. There are other ways to resolve issues. And there is a certain order and procedures. An example is Crimea! Unless of course you at least understand something and followed the events.
          1. GRDS
            GRDS 30 March 2014 18: 05
            +7
            Quote: Ruswolf
            And what, do you think the underground will organize, as suggested by Magadan and engage in beating in the gateway?
            You are aware that those who now have the power - whether you want it or not, will introduce martial law in the country, and others, as you no longer have time to leave.
            Only Maidanute people, who don’t give a damn about the people, can only propose a solution to the question!

            I think that we must not be silent and not be afraid to tell the truth - terror is always terror. I am against what it would be like when the Union collapsed - they threw the Russians to their own devices - who could leave and who could not well, and figs with them still give birth! The main thing is not to raise a panic, and figs with him that a couple of thousand Russian Armenians killed Azerbaijanis! But ahuyennaya tolerance, I saw her in a coffin! Sorry rus wolf, only you remember me the former Minister of Foreign Affairs Kozyrev, Mr. yes, so that we would not create, he always agreed with everything! If only to please the West!
            1. GRDS
              GRDS 30 March 2014 19: 31
              +1
              Quote: GRDS
              Quote: Ruswolf
              And what, do you think the underground will organize, as suggested by Magadan and engage in beating in the gateway?
              You are aware that those who now have the power - whether you want it or not, will introduce martial law in the country, and others, as you no longer have time to leave.
              Only Maidanute people, who don’t give a damn about the people, can only propose a solution to the question!

              I think that we must not be silent and not be afraid to tell the truth - terror is always terror. I am against what it would be like when the Union collapsed - they threw the Russians to their own devices - who could leave and who could not well, and figs with them still give birth! The main thing is not to raise a panic, and figs with him that a couple of thousand Russian Armenians killed Azerbaijanis! But ahuyennaya tolerance, I saw her in a coffin! Sorry rus wolf, only you remember me the former Minister of Foreign Affairs Kozyrev, Mr. yes, so that we would not create, he always agreed with everything! If only to please the West!
              justify the minus
              1. Ruswolf
                Ruswolf 31 March 2014 01: 41
                -1
                justify the minus

                Unlike you, I never put minuses for the personal opinion of a person, especially in my address! - Unlike you and your kind!
                And tantrums are not appropriate here! Keep track of your vocabulary, you are not in transit
                1. GRDS
                  GRDS 31 March 2014 07: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Ruswolf
                  justify the minus

                  Unlike you, I never put minuses for the personal opinion of a person, especially in my address! - Unlike you and your kind!
                  And tantrums are not appropriate here! Keep track of your vocabulary, you are not in transit

                  Dear, it’s written somewhere that you set this minus? A phrase is written about a simple justification thereof! And you just the last phrase proved to be a tantrum!
                  1. Ruswolf
                    Ruswolf 31 March 2014 12: 14
                    +1
                    If you think that patriotism needs to be taught to the younger generation by the examples "Whoever has a bigger stick, the stronger one," I think the topic is closed.
                    Since this principle will lead to a primitive communal system, when you don’t even need to talk
                    But ahuhennoy tolerance
                    can and will cover with obscenities.
                    How then will you be different from banderlogs who teach their children the same thing and the same way, while you, that they prove that they are right!
                    So after you and them, your children will continue this business - to walk with sticks and knives.
                    And what order can we talk about if lynching comes first! And if you made a mistake, and if it’s not right ?, And if it was not that! Will you justify yourself? Or come up with something?
                    I don’t want to impose my opinion, I just voiced it. If you have something else - this is your personal business.
                    Roma locuta, causa finita
                    Dixi
                  2. Ruswolf
                    Ruswolf 31 March 2014 12: 14
                    0
                    If you think that patriotism needs to be taught to the younger generation by the examples "Whoever has a bigger stick, the stronger one," I think the topic is closed.
                    Since this principle will lead to a primitive communal system, when you don’t even need to talk
                    But ahuhennoy tolerance
                    can and will cover with obscenities.
                    How then will you be different from banderlogs who teach their children the same thing and the same way, while you, that they prove that they are right!
                    So after you and them, your children will continue this business - to walk with sticks and knives.
                    And what order can we talk about if lynching comes first! And if you made a mistake, and if it’s not right ?, And if it was not that! Will you justify yourself? Or come up with something?
                    I don’t want to impose my opinion, I just voiced it. If you have something else - this is your personal business.
                    Roma locuta, causa finita
                    Dixi
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      2. Setrac
        Setrac 31 March 2014 00: 06
        +1
        Quote: Ruswolf
        You are deeply wrong Dear!
        First terror gives rise to - terror

        You are deeply wrong, something Western or Bandera terror in Ukraine did not generate "Eastern" or "Russian" terror in response. It seems that terror is engendered by something else, such as funding from the US and Britain.
        1. Ruswolf
          Ruswolf 31 March 2014 01: 46
          0
          You are deeply wrong, something Western or Bandera terror in Ukraine did not generate in response "Eastern" or "Russian" terror.

          Look what will happen when the usurpers legitimize their rights to the throne of Ukraine. Now they show that they are white and fluffy - at least they want to show!
          This is a must-have program for any revolution:
          1. find like-minded people - to accomplish
          2. will gain support - to maintain power
          3. remove dissenters - to ensure their own security and autocracy
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      3. 97110
        97110 April 2 2014 12: 48
        0
        Shaw, in nature, the German occupation - flowers?
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  • Valkh
    Valkh 30 March 2014 16: 48
    +4
    Quote: APASUS
    He called his brother in Vinnitsa, although he supported the Maidan, a man ...... In the wake of general news from the Crimea, even doubters became ardent supporters of Ukraine in NATO.
    From the conversation, I can safely say that the American plan to pit Slavic nations is bearing fruit. It is sad, of course ........



    It was not necessary for them to disconnect the Russian TV !!! My friends are not going to NATO !!! - they didn’t let our TV channels turn off !!! laughing
  • nikcris
    nikcris 30 March 2014 16: 48
    +3
    Yes, they are not fascists. What is the connection with Mussolini? This is a murmur in its worst expression. Only a gopota, unlike the Russian one, ORGANIZED. To eliminate the abscess, it is necessary to remove, remove and remove the faces on the camera.
  • Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 30 March 2014 16: 48
    +3
    I heard the same thing from old acquaintances from Odessa. Nothing during the day, and in the evening, at night, housing is barricaded. They are afraid of talking a lot about the phone, they say that all calls to / from Russian numbers are tapped. The consequences are not predictable.
  • Cossacks
    Cossacks 30 March 2014 16: 49
    -21%
    The situation is actually stalemate. On the one hand, I feel sorry for the former Russians, and on the other .... He served in those parts for almost 10 years. Ukrainians strenuously ran into current problems. Not sure cavo then have to regret it. In an unfavorable situation, it may become that of us. Given the maniacal passion of the authorities to reform the army, for 23 years Yeltsin, Putin left only the explosive combat ready. Putin fulfilled the mission for which he was appointed and signed-START-2 (the alkagolik Yeltsin prudently abandoned this dubious mission) surrendered a significant part of the territory. Of the more than 20 tractor factories in the period 2002-2004, almost all were bankrupt. (For new patriots, armored vehicles were produced at tractor factories). The United States sold all stockpiles of weapons-grade plutonium. Therefore, Chukhons, Georgians, Chechens, and even Buryats are wiping their feet on us.
    1. thrower
      thrower 30 March 2014 16: 59
      +19
      I don’t even want to answer, just believe that you carry the muin
      1. Cossacks
        Cossacks 30 March 2014 22: 14
        -4
        I'm sorry. I just did not know that we are with you. Of course, don't bother with the answers. I just insist on it. Sincerely, V. Kazakov. (real name, I’m very proud of her, so I’m not hiding under nicknames)
      2. Cossacks
        Cossacks 30 March 2014 22: 43
        -3
        Sounds like a shit thrower you have to hell.
      3. Cossacks
        Cossacks 31 March 2014 00: 22
        -2
        thrower shit, congratulations broke the record for minus.
      4. Cossacks
        Cossacks 31 March 2014 00: 22
        -3
        thrower shit, congratulations broke the record for minus.
    2. plotnikov561956
      plotnikov561956 30 March 2014 18: 40
      +4
      You probably are very sick dear ... or went to the wrong address ...
      1. Cossacks
        Cossacks 30 March 2014 22: 05
        -1
        With undisguised pleasure I answer, no, I'm not sick, but I am sad to realize that everything is so started.
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      3. Cossacks
        Cossacks 30 March 2014 22: 53
        -1
        Something did not understand what you have on the avatar. It is difficult to assume that you are related to aviation. Everything was, but there weren’t any such in aviation. Sincerely, V. Kazakov.
      4. Cossacks
        Cossacks 30 March 2014 22: 53
        0
        Something did not understand what you have on the avatar. It is difficult to assume that you are related to aviation. Everything was, but there weren’t any such in aviation. Sincerely, V. Kazakov.
    3. Bear
      Bear 30 March 2014 19: 23
      +11
      Listen to you, so fit to shoot. You would at least some specifics your cry Yaroslavly supplied. Especially about 20 tractor factories smiled. Itself in this industry for more than 20 years, I do not observe a special deterioration of the situation. Chelyabinsk Tractor, Lipetsk Tractor, Yaroslavl Tractor, Kursk Tractor, Rostselmash, Krasnoyarsk Tractor, Volgograd Tractor, Voronezh Tractor, Cheboksary Tractor, Vladimir Tractor, and even with fifty tractor and special unit plants. I am silent about the giant MTZ. Are you aware that a domestic producer covers up to 70% of the need for agricultural machinery and tractors? For road workers, public utilities and foresters, the situation is different. But in the USSR there was no production for their special needs. Now the Chinese consider MTZ their number one competitor in the world. So, stop whimpering, wipe off your snot and march to work!
      1. Cossacks
        Cossacks 30 March 2014 21: 47
        -3
        Respected! And you could name the brand of the tractor, which is really produced on the list of plants listed. Sincerely, V. Kazakov. By the way, the statistics are not secret and even you can see it. Just in the search engine, type the question of interest, and there you will read everything. Or you are just an effective manager.
        1. Cossacks
          Cossacks 31 March 2014 00: 14
          -1
          Minus instead of tractor brand. It is very European.
        2. Cossacks
          Cossacks 31 March 2014 00: 14
          0
          Minus instead of tractor brand. It is very European.
      2. Cossacks
        Cossacks 30 March 2014 21: 47
        -1
        Respected! And you could name the brand of the tractor, which is really produced on the list of plants listed. Sincerely, V. Kazakov. By the way, the statistics are not secret and even you can see it. Just in the search engine, type the question of interest, and there you will read everything. Or you are just an effective manager.
      3. Cossacks
        Cossacks 30 March 2014 22: 24
        -1
        Bear, nothing personal, but I'm from Krasnoyarsk. Not. no apologies needed. I'm used to lying. But klikuhu change. I tell you this as a senior comrade.
      4. Cossacks
        Cossacks 30 March 2014 22: 24
        -1
        Bear, nothing personal, but I'm from Krasnoyarsk. Not. no apologies needed. I'm used to lying. But klikuhu change. I tell you this as a senior comrade.
      5. Cossacks
        Cossacks 30 March 2014 22: 30
        -2
        Forgive me again, but you were not fond of fiction.
      6. Cossacks
        Cossacks 30 March 2014 22: 30
        -2
        Forgive me again, but you were not fond of fiction.
      7. 1aspid1
        1aspid1 30 March 2014 23: 24
        +2
        This is the same as on the electronic components (microelectronics) whining everything that there is nothing. And they didn’t even try to search. Until you start driving your nose. And I’ll tell you in microelectronics, we have a serious move forward.
        Even to check, he bought a microcontroller for himself, learned to program and built a circuit on domestic electronic devices as an element of a smart home.
        We must not whine, but work.
        1. Cossacks
          Cossacks 30 March 2014 23: 49
          -4
          I'm happy for you. Medvedev has the same opinion. And most importantly, everyone advises me to work. Will have to listen. And then I parasite completely buried and out of idleness dared to criticize the Sochi slave in the galleys. I especially like moralizing from, well, you know yourself.
        2. Cossacks
          Cossacks 31 March 2014 01: 15
          -1
          asp, and you yourself understood what you wrote. Smart you are ours. For some reason, right before the eyes of Medvedev is also the same advanced.
        3. Cossacks
          Cossacks 31 March 2014 01: 15
          0
          asp, and you yourself understood what you wrote. Smart you are ours. For some reason, right before the eyes of Medvedev is also the same advanced.
      8. 1aspid1
        1aspid1 30 March 2014 23: 24
        0
        This is the same as on the electronic components (microelectronics) whining everything that there is nothing. And they didn’t even try to search. Until you start driving your nose. And I’ll tell you in microelectronics, we have a serious move forward.
        Even to check, he bought a microcontroller for himself, learned to program and built a circuit on domestic electronic devices as an element of a smart home.
        We must not whine, but work.
      9. Cossacks
        Cossacks 31 March 2014 00: 08
        -1
        You actually understood what you wrote. The question is, what have you been doing for 20 years in this industry. By the way, I had to see a tractor.
      10. Cossacks
        Cossacks 31 March 2014 00: 08
        -1
        You actually understood what you wrote. The question is, what have you been doing for 20 years in this industry. By the way, I had to see a tractor.
        1. solaco
          solaco 31 March 2014 11: 48
          0
          What about your inter? Is it wedging? belay
          All messages are duplicated. No.
      11. family tree
        family tree 31 March 2014 00: 09
        +2
        Quote: Bear
        But in the USSR there was no production for their special needs.

        Forest: Altai Tractor Plant-died.
        Onega Tractor Plant, while fluttering, half-dead.
        Chelyabinsk did and does the road, how and how much, I don’t know. This is about
        But in the USSR there was no production for their special needs.
        1. Egen
          Egen 31 March 2014 07: 44
          0
          Quote: perepilka
          Altai Tractor Plant-died

          Well, Sibselmashevsky combines? :)) Agriculture is not there, such a volume does not need the release of equipment :(
          And we bought a K-700 and a Chelyabinsk grader ... Well, the K-700 works every other time, but the grader ... In a year, almost everything was changed, even the front axle, as well as the boxes and all the hydraulics, were already 2 times. HZ from what they are now assembling them - from which constructor ... or they just slipped us into this :( Therefore, the grader works in two days, moreover, without particularly straining - according to 6 hours a day ...
      12. Cossacks
        Cossacks 31 March 2014 01: 08
        -1
        Medvedka is something from the category of insects
      13. Cossacks
        Cossacks 31 March 2014 01: 08
        0
        Medvedka is something from the category of insects
      14. Cossacks
        Cossacks 31 March 2014 01: 40
        0
        Since I will not get the answer to my question, help; 2013 tractors were produced in 6774. therefore, about the giant MTZ correctly and are silent. Precisely effective manager. But I wonder where these come from. And most importantly, what kind of support.
      15. Cossacks
        Cossacks 31 March 2014 01: 40
        0
        Since I will not get the answer to my question, help; 2013 tractors were produced in 6774. therefore, about the giant MTZ correctly and are silent. Precisely effective manager. But I wonder where these come from. And most importantly, what kind of support.
        1. Cossacks
          Cossacks 31 March 2014 02: 03
          -1
          And if all the points are above and, then over the first 5-year period of tractors 100,4 thousand were produced.
        2. Cossacks
          Cossacks 31 March 2014 02: 03
          -1
          And if all the points are above and, then over the first 5-year period of tractors 100,4 thousand were produced.
      16. stimul69
        stimul69 31 March 2014 02: 10
        0
        Well done Medved, beautifully wiped the "Cossack". It is good to mold a "hunchback" in your independent country without TVs, but we do not have such numbers.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 30 March 2014 16: 49
    +2
    Yes, they here constantly told us how everything is calm with them, before Russia really only knew what was going on there and the Ukrainians themselves didn’t see a damn thing because of their American media, and they told us that we had propaganda television. Now, now the trouble personally began to knock on everyone's door.
  • Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 30 March 2014 16: 51
    +3
    Interesting! History repeats, but the mind does not increase!
    1917 year Russia, 2014 year Ukraine!
    Comes to power through a military coup 2-3 cunning and declare:
    "People! You have won! - Мы in power! Now you are free! Now you have to choose which of Us will lead you! Whoever disagrees with "your" choice is the enemy! "
    Isn't it - it seems!
  • pts-m
    pts-m 30 March 2014 16: 52
    +3
    gentlemen, why be surprised ... they themselves chose it! ...
  • Stepan Vict
    Stepan Vict 30 March 2014 16: 53
    +15
    Remember the beginning of the 90s. In Russia, almost all Russians from the North Caucasus, from Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and so on have been squeezed out in Russia, now they are squeezed out from Ukraine, everything is natural. The guys from the Ukrainian factories with hands, we really do not have enough of these in our production. They need to be dragged here and not think.
  • stoker
    stoker 30 March 2014 16: 55
    +9
    The situation will progress from bad to worse. And you can't go there. Until an open confrontation begins, we have nothing to do there. When a mutiny broke out in Spain, the people took rifles and began to defend the Republic. And these are sitting and waiting for "a magician in a blue helicopter will suddenly arrive." He will definitely fly, only from the other side. One that you never dreamed of in nightmares.
    1. Gorjelin
      Gorjelin 30 March 2014 17: 02
      +4
      And these are sitting and waiting for "a magician in a blue helicopter will suddenly arrive." He will definitely arrive, only from the other side. One that you never dreamed of in nightmares.


      Most people who have families and children who are forced to go to work to support loved ones are almost defenseless against bandits and fascists. When they come for them, ordinary people can do nothing and simply become victims. This was the case with Jews and others in Nazi Germany, and so it is in Ukraine.

      And one should not assume that ordinary people for no reason will unite in military formations and will confront the fascists and bandits. The protection function lies with the state, and the state there now is just the Nazis and represent. Therefore, it remains only to wait for the mass exodus of those who disagree.
      1. Native grandfather
        Native grandfather 30 March 2014 20: 09
        +5
        Quote: Gorjelin
        Most people who have families and children who are forced to go to work to support loved ones are almost defenseless against bandits and fascists. When they come for them, ordinary people can do nothing and simply become victims. This was the case with Jews and others in Nazi Germany, and so it is in Ukraine.

        Sitting at home does not protect a family. And it's time to tie up with work. All the same, there is no longer a salary, everything is canceled with Russia, and the money earned goes to the maintenance of the junta. General strike and basta. And fig bald false leaders that they can do. And stop breeding snot already. They do not want to defend themselves, let them not complain. There would be such garbage in the Far East ... but figs it would happen there. Three days and the corpses of Bendera’s in the ditches. And that’s it. No one would stand on ceremony with them. They tried several times to ban the right wheel. The state tried !!! And what? All DV instantly stood on its hind legs. And then there’s only a bunch of bandits all over the country. It’s just that there are no real men in Ukraine.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 31 March 2014 00: 41
        +3
        Quote: Gorjelin
        Most people who have families and children who are forced to go to work to support loved ones are almost defenseless against bandits and fascists.

        As the hero of the American film "Patriot" said, not only single people and unemployed are fighting in the war.
    2. Egen
      Egen 31 March 2014 06: 40
      0
      Quote: stoker
      suddenly a magician will fly in a blue helicopter

      in BLUE? belay
  • Cossacks
    Cossacks 30 March 2014 17: 02
    +2
    As far as I remember, Aksenov called on Odessa to follow the example of Crimea.
    1. not good
      not good 30 March 2014 21: 42
      +1
      A friend from Odessa at the beginning of the events said: if only they would not interfere with Odessa, now they are trying to sell the office and move to Russia, and he is not the only one there. Crimea is easier geographically, and organizationally Odessa unfortunately loses to Crimea.