Swiss Air Force. Against all!




10 May 1940, a German Dornier bomber Do.17 was intercepted by fighters of the Swiss Air Force and landed at the Altenhein airfield.

1 June The 1940 formation from the 36 bomber He.111, which took off on a mission to the area of ​​Marseille, decided to “cut off the corner” through the airspace of a neutral country. The 12 of the Swiss Messerschmitt was raised to intercept - the violators tried to resist. As a result, two German aircraft were destroyed. The Swiss suffered no losses.

4 June 1940 was held “action retaliation” - a lone He.111 lured 12 Swiss Bf.109E to the territory of France, where they were hit by 28 Luftwaffe fighters. As a result of the short bout, the intruder bomber and two German Me.110 were shot down. Own losses of the Swiss were 1 aircraft.

The case took a serious turn - the tiny country and its “toy” air forces desperately did not want to let the Luftwaffe planes pass by and severely suppressed any violations of their borders.

8 June 1940 launched an open raid into Swiss territory - a group of He.111 bombers (KG 1) under 32 Bf.110C escort (from II / ZG 76) attempted to strike at Swiss air forces airfields. The plans of the Nazis prevented the case - in the way of the group was a patrol EKW C-35. The Kukuruznik was immediately shot down, but before his death he managed to raise the alarm. Twelve Bf.109 immediately flew to intercept. In the ensuing air battle, the Swiss pilots managed to shoot down three Messerschmitt in exchange for the loss of one of their aircraft.

Swiss Air Force. Against all!


Having suffered a fiasco in air battles, the Germans no longer dared to tempt fate. The new plan to neutralize the Swiss Air Force provided an old reliable way - sabotage on the ground, produced by the caring hands of German saboteurs.

16 June 1940 The German commando group consisting of 10 people was fully captured by the Swiss military. Since then, events have evolved rapidly ...

June 17 capitulated France, the Wehrmacht units reached the Swiss border in the Du region with the intention of continuing the offensive on the territory of the last "island of stability" in the center of Europe. The Swiss leadership made desperate attempts to keep the peace. In order to avoid the escalation of the conflict, the pilots were forbidden to attack the single violating aircraft.

19 June was received another note from Berlin, containing a direct threat:

The Reich government does not intend to waste more words, but will protect German interests in other ways if such events occur in the future.


Germany was seriously preparing for the operation "Tannenbaum" - the armed invasion and occupation of Switzerland by the forces of the Wehrmacht's 12 Army.

The commander-in-chief of the Swiss Armed Forces hastily issued an order prohibiting the interception of any aircraft over the territory of the country.



Fortunately for the Swiss, the war did not happen. Switzerland was more useful to the Reich as a partner, rather than as an enemy. Despite its small size (the area of ​​Switzerland is approximately equal to the area of ​​the Crimea), an armed invasion of a mountainous country, dotted with tunnels, fortifications and firing points cut into the rocks, with 100% mobilizing its population (well-trained and well-equipped people's militia) made the seizure of Switzerland extremely long and costly event. This would not have taken the 2-3 of the day, as planned by the German leadership.

The 40-day standoff of the Luftwaffe and the Schweizer Luftwaffe cost the Germans 11 aircraft. The losses of the Swiss turned out to be noticeably lower - the total of the XnUMX fighter Bf.2E and one patrol C-109.

Since the middle of 1940, a fragile truce has been restored on the German-Swiss border. Both sides did not take any hostile actions towards each other. Only occasionally strayed German planes were intercepted by Swiss fighters and forced to land at Swiss airfields. Internment aircraft was included in the Swiss Air Force, but most of it was unsuitable for flying due to the lack of necessary spare parts.

Loudest incident happened April 28 1944, at the Swiss Dübendorf airbase made an emergency landing night fighter Bf.110G-4 / R7, equipped with the latest radar FuG220 «Liechtenstein» and fire installation "Wrong Music" (with the placement of cannons at an angle to the horizon, to firing "bottom-up" - from this angle it was easier to notice the British bombers on the background of a brighter sky). Worse, on board the Messerschmitt was a secret tablet with a list of radio commands from the German air defense system.

The German task force led by Otto Skorzeny immediately began preparations for the raid at Dubendorf airbase with the aim of destroying the fighter and the documents before they fall into the hands of British intelligence. However, no armed intervention was required - both sides reached a consensus by peaceful means. The Swiss authorities destroyed the aircraft and its secret equipment, and in return they were given the opportunity to purchase the latest Messers 12 109G-6 modifications. As it turned out later, the Nazis deceived the Swiss - the resulting fighters turned out to be worn out junk. Engines of all 12 "Messerschmitts" were on the verge of writing off the form of production of their motor potential. Switzerland has not forgotten the offense - in 1951, the Swiss have judicially obtained the payment of compensation.



Surrounded by Nazi countries, Switzerland formally continued to pursue an independent policy, maintaining the status of a neutral state. The confidentiality of deposits in Swiss banks has remained an unshakable secret and a guarantor of the security of a small country.

Meanwhile, the air war flared up with a new force. From the middle of the war, Allied aircraft became the main enemy of the Swiss air force.who regularly invaded the airspace of the country. Wrecked and strayed cars were forced to land on Swiss airfields. During the war years, more than a hundred such incidents were recorded. As expected, the aircraft and pilots were interned in the territory of a neutral state before the end of the war. British and American pilots were placed in ski resorts, cut off from the rest of the world by war, mountains and snow.

With the start of the Allied landings in Normandy, around 940 pilots of the Allied countries voluntarily left the place of their imprisonment and tried to cross the border into France. The 183 fugitive was detained by the Swiss police and placed in a POW camp in the Lucerne area with a much tougher regime than before. They were released only in November 1944.

However, not everyone got a chance to settle in an alpine chalet - 13 on April 1944, a damaged American plane was mercilessly shot down in the airspace of Switzerland, despite the fact that it ostentatiously released the chassis (which, according to international rules, meant “following the aerodrome you specified”) . Killed seven Americans.

But the real "action" is associated with raids by strategic bombers - throughout the war the Swiss territory was regularly subjected to bomb strikes. The following episodes are best known:

- 1 April 1944 The Formation of the 50 "Liberators" brought down its deadly cargo to Schaffhausen (instead of the designated target in Germany, 235 km to the north). The victims of the bombing were the Swiss 40;

- 25 December 1944 g. Tyngen was subjected to powerful bombardment;

- 22 February 1945. The Yankees bombed 13 settlements in Switzerland;

- 4 March 1945. US strategic bombers simultaneously bombed Basel and Zurich. It is noteworthy that the present target was located on 290 km north of Frankfurt am Main;

The bombing occurred earlier. During 1940, the largest cities in Switzerland (Geneva, Basel, Zurich) were periodically bombarded by the Royal British Air Force.



The hapless pilots themselves also suffered losses: at the beginning of March 1944, the Swiss fighters managed to shoot down the “Flying Fortress”; a second bomber of the same type was forcibly planted in Switzerland.

Random or intentional were all these "errors"? History does not give an accurate answer. It is only known that the bombing of Switzerland met with approval from the American pilots: strong pro-Nazi sentiments were spread among the Swiss population, and many of the affected enterprises were directly connected with the military-industrial complex of the Third Reich. The commander of the US Air Force, General Arnold, adhered to the version that most of the episodes with the bombardment of Swiss cities were Nazi provocations using captured aircraft. However, after the end of the war, the Swiss were paid good compensation.

1 July 1945 in London held a demonstration trial of pilots and navigators of strategic bombers who participated in raids on Switzerland. The pilots only shrugged their shoulders and referred to the strong tail wind and bad weather over the target. All were justified.



On the whole, the situation is obvious: in spite of the complexity of relations between Switzerland and the Third Reich, “dark” banking transactions and frank flirting of the country's leadership with the Nazis, there are no complaints about the air force. The actions of the Swiss Air Force coincided entirely with the doctrine of neutrality - any provocations and violations of the air space were stopped by the most decisive methods. At the same time, the Swiss tried not to go beyond international law. None of the warring parties had priority in the case of a meeting with fighters with red and white crosses on the wings. Violators were forwarded to the airfields, who ventured to resist mercilessly shot down. Swiss pilots acted competently and professionally, sometimes bringing down a much stronger and more numerous opponent from heaven to earth.

It remains to add that during the war years, the Air Force of a small mountainous country had more than a hundred Messerschmitt fighters (including outdated 109D, interned vehicles and 12 acquired 109G-6 fighters).

Epilogue

17 February 2014 of the year. Europe is awakened by a report about the hijacking of the passenger Boeing-767 of Ethiopian Airline, on the route Addis Ababa - Rome. As it turns out later, the second pilot, an Ethiopian citizen, who seized control of the aircraft and arbitrarily changed the course toward Geneva in order to obtain political asylum in Switzerland, became the culprit of the incident.

Fighters of the Air Forces of Italy and France were immediately raised into the air, they took the hijacked aircraft to escort - from the moment of its detection to the landing.



Fortunately, everything worked out - the airliner reached the last drops of fuel to Switzerland and in 6: 00, in local time, made a soft landing at Geneva airport. None of the 200 passengers and crew members on board were injured. The pilot hijacker will soon receive his legitimate 20 years in prison.

But why the escort of a hijacked plane required the help of the Italian and French Air Forces? Where were the gallant Swiss pilots, whose grandfathers bravely shot down German, British and American aircraft, at that moment?

The Swiss "sky captains" at this time were drinking their morning coffee, watching on the television screens the incredible adventures of the Ethiopian "Boeing" in the airspace of their country. None of the 26 multipurpose F / A-18C “Hornet” and X-NUMX Fighter F-42E “Tiger II” Swiss Air Force took off that morning.

The gates of the airbases are locked all night, the flight crew goes home - Swiss combat aviation works exactly from 8 a.m. to 17 p.m., with an obligatory one and a half hour lunch break. The reason for this decision is banal cost savings in peacetime.

From dusk to dawn, the Swiss skies are guarded by the air forces of neighboring countries - Germany, Italy and France, with which the relevant treaties have been concluded.





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  1. La-5 31 March 2014 07: 59 New
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    Highlanders proud people!
    1. Civil 31 March 2014 08: 35 New
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      A mongrel of the USA, pind wasps only thought about sanctions, these have already been introduced, and another thief of Hodor was sheltered ...
      1. Mister X 31 March 2014 12: 59 New
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        Video in the topic: about the manners of another mountain people: the Irish.
        Short film German / The German 2008
        An aerial battle between a British Air Force pilot and a German ace in the sky over Lamanche November 1940 will be resolved in the most unpredictable way as soon as their battle becomes ground.
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      3. samoletil18 31 March 2014 15: 39 New
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        Quote: Civil
        A mongrel of the USA, pind wasps only thought about sanctions, these have already been introduced, and another thief of Hodor was sheltered ...
        Sanctions against the STATE Switzerland can and Russia introduce. And the pilots are great.
  2. Bongo 31 March 2014 08: 24 New
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    The Swiss leadership made desperate attempts to maintain peace - in order to avoid escalation of the conflict, pilots were forbidden to attack single intruder aircraft.

    During the war years, Switzerland was actually an ally of Nazi Germany.
    1. Terrible ensign 31 March 2014 09: 28 New
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      In fact, Sweden was more likely an ally ...
      1. Bongo 31 March 2014 09: 30 New
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        The industry of Sweden generally worked mostly for the Germans.
        1. supertiger21 31 March 2014 10: 25 New
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          Quote: Bongo
          The industry of Sweden generally worked mostly for the Germans.


          Everything is clear with Sweden, de facto she was an ally of the Third Reich. But here you are confusing with Switzerland, she was neutral.
          1. Kassandra
            Kassandra 31 March 2014 18: 16 New
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            de facto he handed over the V-2 they had broken to the British.
  3. Yarik 31 March 2014 08: 42 New
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    The first photo ... already breathtaking. good
  4. Terrible ensign 31 March 2014 09: 27 New
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    During World War II, the Swiss were more ambitious (judging by the ratio of losses with the Germans and the pilots were quite good) .. and now they are imbued with pan-European values ​​and tolerance, although their legislation is less tolerant of emigrants and perverts than those of the French, British and the Germans ...
    Thanks to the author for the article, absolutely unknown information. Very interesting.
    1. Kassandra
      Kassandra 31 March 2014 16: 36 New
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      during the bombing of Yugoslavia, the Swiss also closed their airspace for flights of NATO countries, so no need.
  5. EvilLion 31 March 2014 09: 34 New
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    The Swiss army has long become just a circus.
    1. Kassandra
      Kassandra 31 March 2014 16: 37 New
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      Where does the conclusion come from? Served there? Or, in general - served?
    2. krechet-1978 31 March 2014 18: 00 New
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      No, the circus usually still works after 17.00, and the Swiss army is no longer there.
  6. kotdavin4i 31 March 2014 09: 44 New
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    "swiss combat??? Aviation operates exactly from 8 am to 17 pm, with an obligatory one and a half hour lunch break. "That says it all ...
    1. krechet-1978 31 March 2014 18: 30 New
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      I thought, check me out, if flying over the Swiss border at a speed of 1 max around the perimeter, then it will take 34 minutes to complete a circle. - Therefore, the patrol group of pilots begins to feel dizzy and to 17.00 flights stop))
      1. Kassandra
        Kassandra 31 March 2014 22: 53 New
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        they rather save on motor resources, not even on paid time pilots
        F-18 from bases in the center of the country to any of its outskirts can be reached in less than 5 minutes
    2. Kassandra
      Kassandra 31 March 2014 22: 37 New
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      Work or service is not only about being on duty in the air. If anything, then they will lift the aircraft into the air without waiting for the 8th morning. Another question is how fast.
      Over Bulgaria, for example, before, only one plane constantly flew that guarded their nuclear power plants.
  7. Lissyara 31 March 2014 09: 53 New
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    Cool! Presenting the dialogue:
    - In the sky, a plane violating state. borders of Switzerland
    - Not e ... t. On the watch 12: 01. War is war - and lunch is on schedule.
  8. poccinin
    poccinin 31 March 2014 09: 53 New
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    SWISS arrows of the Vatican guards. Only homosexual priests pester them. You want promotions come to the hayloft at night.
  9. supertiger21 31 March 2014 10: 28 New
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    Well done Swiss good , did not give impudent fascists to relax am !
    1. 0255 31 March 2014 19: 22 New
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      Quote: supertiger21
      Well done Swiss good , did not give impudent fascists to relax am !

      And the Americans and the British, too bully
  10. inkass_98 31 March 2014 10: 28 New
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    Well, Kaptsov all secreted by the Swiss Air Force in an article inadvertently posted laughing . Now we will know that it is necessary to conquer Switzerland strictly from 17.01 to 07.59. At the same time, you can air hooligan over their territory. Interestingly, the remaining units of the army (in particular, the pogrpnts) are also dragging the service? soldier lol
    1. Santa Fe 31 March 2014 15: 57 New
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      Interestingly, the remaining units of the army (in particular, the pogrpnts) are also dragging the service?

      I'm not sure about the border guards
      The rest - with 24: 00 lie on the beds. On weekends, they generally go home. Nobody goes to the guard. Private security is guarded by the perimeter

      But you should not laugh: after passing mandatory military training at the age of 20, EVERY Swiss gets a SIG rifle with two full stores, three sets of uniforms for all seasons, special. equipment, body armor and a helmet, with which he descends home.

      Good fluff? Gunshot lovers, tell me more

      As a result, Switzerland is able to deploy 650 thousand army in four hours, and in two days 1,7 million! (despite the fact that 9 thousand personnel officers and 13 thousand conscripts at training camps are constantly serving in the military)

      And, finally, the most interesting - in view of the highly developed local self-government in the cantons, the President of Switzerland has no right to issue a surrender order. Any calls for surrender are provocations by the enemy. The Swiss are ordered to fight to the end
      1. Kassandra
        Kassandra 31 March 2014 16: 44 New
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        The fluff in the first photo is a Kalashoid. They waited exactly 50 years so as not to pay for a patent from his system. Before that there was a STG-45 system
      2. aquatic 31 March 2014 19: 43 New
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        after the end of the service, annual military fees of up to 50-odd years pass, and fairly lengthy fees of up to 3 months. Definitely unpleasant opponents on their territory, bombing in the trash or not climbing a third is not given
  11. uhu189 31 March 2014 10: 30 New
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    Still, it is interesting why Hitler did not stop the invasion of the mountainous terrain of Yugoslavia and Greece, and he refused to invade Switzerland, which was much smaller in area? After all, the benefit was quite obvious, and he had mountain rifle divisions in sufficient numbers ... Maybe it’s not the mountains, but a little something else? That Switzerland had slightly different methods of defense against invasion?
    1. EvilLion 31 March 2014 13: 32 New
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      Because in FIG, this Switzerland surrendered, and she drove the Germans to the exact mechanics.
    2. Santa Fe 31 March 2014 15: 34 New
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      Quote: uhu189
      Still, it is interesting why Hitler did not stop the invasion of the mountainous terrain of Yugoslavia and Greece, and he refused to invade Switzerland, which was much smaller in area?

      Well you compared

      The highest point in Greece - Mount Olympus (2917 m)
      Switzerland - Dufour Peak (4634 m), Finst hierarchhorn peak (4274 m), Bernina (4049 m). Mountains with a height of 2-3 km in general at every step. A war in the conditions of such a relief, at negative air temperatures, is not a walk in southern Greece under the crowns of olive trees



      2. Population. Trained Swiss police with Schmidt-Rubin rifles are not Greek gouges

      The commander of the Swiss army, General Henri Gisan, proposed the concept of defense organization, called the "National Redoubt", or simply Redoubt.

      According to this concept, the task of the Swiss armed forces was not to defend the country's borders, but to create a situation in which the occupation of Switzerland would appear to the enemy too costly and even meaningless enterprise.

      To this end, the line of defense was transferred in advance from the plains to the mountains, where numerous fortifications were quickly built to withstand infantry and enemy tanks. Mountain roads and tunnels were mined and prepared for explosions. The command and personnel of all units and subunits have been informed that from the moment of the outbreak of hostilities they must defend their sectors, in spite of any orders to end the resistance.

      Thus, any enemy who invaded the country, as a result, would be faced with the task of establishing control over vast mountainous areas with completely destroyed infrastructure, where numerous semi-partisan formations would defend.


      These are the French Alps, but the essence of this does not change
      1. Kassandra
        Kassandra 31 March 2014 16: 00 New
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        The plains of Switzerland were also planned and planned to be defended for six months with a series of tank counterattacks (now Leopard-2) from mountainous and hilly areas.
        Greeks freed themselves from the Germans themselves, half of the Yugoslavs, too. The Greeks were then occupied by the British, and more died in battles with them (so that Greece would not go to Stalin’s members). After this, the little shavers still reprimand the USSR for the fact that Stalin gave the Natsiks a stifle of the pro-English uprising in Warsaw.
    3. Kassandra
      Kassandra 31 March 2014 17: 31 New
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      There is a true joke: when the chief negotiator from the German side said that the forces that the Reich could invade surpass the Swiss by 20 times, then the Swiss answered him that "it's okay, then each of our soldiers will have to shoot only 20 times", there every soldier is a sniper.
      In the second Lebanese Tsahal, he scooped up the Hezbollah bunker system, which is a parody of the Swiss - there, in general, the whole country is torn up, and in caponier guns.
      Every Swiss within the civil defense is provided with a bunk in a bunker capable of withstanding a nuclear strike. This has never happened even in the USA or the USSR during the Cold War.
      1. supertiger21 31 March 2014 22: 29 New
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        Quote: Kassandra
        Every Swiss within the civil defense is provided with a bunk in a bunker capable of withstanding a nuclear strike. This has never happened even in the USA or the USSR during the Cold War.


        What ?? belay
        1. Kassandra
          Kassandra 31 March 2014 23: 23 New
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          Well, they had Germany bombarded with ashes there, in Schaffhausen, they too got it - then they decided that absolutely the entire population should be protected, that is, even before nuclear weapons. The RBF was immediately, then the bunkers were modernized so that they could withstand not only “blockbusters” and tallboys, but also megaton-class nuclear weapons.
          So in Switzerland even the very last village of Gadyukino is protected, and in the "advanced" States only some insignificant percentage of farmers with bomb shelters improvise. In cities in the USA, in general, all civil defense have long been destroyed, as in the USSR in the end.
          1. supertiger21 April 1 2014 16: 59 New
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            Quote: Kassandra
            Well, they had Germany bombarded with ashes there, in Schaffhausen, they too got it - then they decided that absolutely the entire population should be protected, that is, even before nuclear weapons. The RBK was immediately, then the bunkers were modernized so that they could withstand not only “blockbusters” and tallboys, but also megaton-class nuclear weapons. So in Switzerland even the very last village of Gadyukino is protected, and in the “advanced” States only a small percentage of farmers with bomb shelters improvise. In cities in the USA, in general, all civil defense have long been destroyed, as in the USSR in the end.


            If it was during the Second World War, it is possible. But after it, why do they need bunkers? Even during the Cold War, Switzerland maintained absolute neutrality in military and political affairs. It did not enter either the Western or the socialist military blocs.
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              Kassandra April 1 2014 18: 56 New
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              So, Yugoslavia didn’t go either way either, and what did they do to it? from her to them only 200km
              it maintained and maintains armed neutrality, and not as Austria simply neutrality.
  12. Vtel
    Vtel 31 March 2014 10: 30 New
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    In Swiss banks, a gold coin of the Jewish bankers of the United States lay, and Hitler was forbidden to touch them. Against this background, they are all cool.
    1. Kassandra
      Kassandra 31 March 2014 15: 53 New
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      Hitler Zolotishko even torn from dental crowns and somehow missed it ...
      they’re cool because they’re awkward.
      little gold of the United States at Fort Knox.
  13. ran nearby
    ran nearby 31 March 2014 12: 28 New
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    It’s not easy to fight the Swiss. If anything, almost the entire population will be at war there. And the mountainous terrain and serpentines of roads do not at all contribute to the mass movements of troops. Afghan remember.
    Swiss well done! Since 1291 the state exists !!!
    1. EvilLion 31 March 2014 13: 33 New
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      Yes, yes, everything will come out like that right and go to war. Against heavy equipment. It's just that in Switzerland they continue the circus with the militia army of the 1800s model.
    2. Kassandra
      Kassandra 31 March 2014 15: 30 New
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      not, to write something about heavy equipment right after the serpentines it must be well ... very ... evil lion.
      I wonder what kind of circus? Mark anyone who crawls. Each soldier is a sniper, and the whole country is covered by a network of artbunkers.
    3. krechet-1978 31 March 2014 17: 18 New
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      The population of Switzerland is essentially Germans (2 \ 3 population), French and Italians. How the French defended their country - we already know that) The Italians, too, deep down in their hearts did not care about the Duce and the Führer, or the Churchill with Roosevelt. Well, the Swiss Germans sent several thousand organisms from their ranks to the Waffen ss. So I consider the thesis that "the whole population as one will protect holy Switzerland from Nazi Germany" doubtful.
      1. Kassandra
        Kassandra 31 March 2014 17: 44 New
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        In fact, the Germans, even in Germany itself, are very different, not only from the Swiss or from the Austrians. Northern Italians are quite different from southern Italians, and the French Savoyans themselves do not consider themselves French at all - you can look at the flag of the province of Soya.
        The Swiss military fraternity of the cantons was formed by the 700th anniversary of continuous wars and foreign mercenaries (they have not fought for the last 200 years, they have been mercenaries to protect the Vatican since 1970), so they can handle weapons and fight.
        Swiss mercenaryism is a common noun, in fact they were land Vikings. And both that in the Alps and in the fjords there was nothing to eat, and hunger drove to war.
        1. krechet-1978 31 March 2014 17: 52 New
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          Quote: Kassandra
          for the last 200 years they have not fought ... therefore they know how to handle weapons and fight.
          Halberds they know how to fight?
          1. Kassandra
            Kassandra 31 March 2014 18: 26 New
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            in short, just type in the military videos on wikipedia and on YouTube military videos, and compare them with Russian ones.
            if longer, then foreign individual mercenaries for Swiss citizens were limited to the Vatican Guard only in 1970
            from foreign legions there is not only French
            whole shelves banned in 1874
            machine guns were already there.
            on airplanes, as written in this article, they fought with dignity
  14. Nonik 31 March 2014 12: 35 New
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    Quote: uhu189
    That Switzerland had slightly different methods of defense against invasion?
    Gold of the Fuhrer, not otherwise :)
  15. krechet-1978 31 March 2014 13: 12 New
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    The owners of the world did not allow Hitler to open the Safe of the World, that’s the whole mystery of Switzerland’s defense.
    1. Kassandra
      Kassandra 31 March 2014 15: 42 New
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      No, it's just that every soldier is a sniper. Ever since the Middle Ages (there is still a touching story about a boy with an onion and an apple on his head when the Austrians raked). Hitler would take six months to capture the plain part of Switzerland, and from 3 to 5 years to the mountains, and in the end the Swiss would simply blow up the tunnels. Then what is the point of the invasion?
      On the contrary, American bankers dreamed of ordering Swiss bankers, and when Swiss deposits recently ceased to be a secret and nicknames were a big celebration. They ceased to be a secret only around 2007 with the adoption of JDAM-2 equipment, which ensured the defeat of most of the network of Swiss artbunkers in embrasures. This country is one continuous fortified area in which all army weapons are at home, and not in the pyramids from which the keys to an unknown uncle from among foreigners with a Nagan.
      1. uhu189 31 March 2014 18: 29 New
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        It was interesting to know the information of course, but I still allow myself to doubt the ability to resist 3-5 years. Even if the ammunition allows, it is unlikely that there is such a large amount of food supplies to hold on for so long. You can’t hide heavy equipment in the mountains and you won’t be able to maneuver it, but you won’t do much harm. An example of Afghanistan - yes, there are Taliban. Yes, the attacks are carried out, ambushes, but they are killed very, very much. If drones control airspace, artillery bunkers still do not war for a long time without heat, electricity and food. The plain part will be captured quickly enough.
        1. Kassandra
          Kassandra 31 March 2014 19: 29 New
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          It is precisely this kind of food supply that is available, and for each resident of the country.
          Caponier guns were somehow placed in this network of mountain artillery bunkers. And there all of them are shot.
          Sixty months are allotted for defense and counterattacks by tanks in the lowland.
          The metro is heated by the passengers themselves, in the mines, on the contrary, there is a problem of their cooling. Hopper with WMD protection.
          The dushmans did not have all this.
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            The metro is heated mainly by heat from the rheostatic braking of electric motors of electric trains, and the heating of stations is still present, plus technical pipelines, cables, etc. Passengers are the very least that contributes to heat transfer. But the question is where to get electricity for all this? The stock on 5 of years of products is very large in volume, plus spare parts, medicines, household items. Industrial water, drinking water, water disposal - I’m afraid even for several months to make such a supply is rather difficult, but for several years? And all this should be provided with electricity. What is the question from? 5 low-power diesel engines and gas turbines will not work for years - running hours will not allow, and high-power can easily be detected and destroyed by heat emission. I'm not talking about fuel ... How to live in a bunker without electricity is an open question. None of the shelters I know is designed to stay for more than a few months, and here not just shelters, but also firing points.
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              Kassandra 31 March 2014 21: 52 New
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              As far as I know from the example of Moscow - the warmth of passengers. Fuel reserves are created, the system of hose mini-hydroelectric power stations is also (with this, the Swiss and their bisses have no experience at all). For water, food and air purification systems, stocks for 5 years. On YouTube you can see about all this. By the way, 99% of electricity (!) In Norway comes from just such mini-hydroelectric power stations.
              There is a system of interconnected shelters of firing points and torn (hidden passages) between them the size of the whole country.
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              There are not many reserves needed - they drank a cup of coffee and went to give up. Everything else is fantastic for tourists.
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                Kassandra April 2 2014 06: 04 New
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                youtube.com/watch?v=U0gpYYpZpzU
                If you just want to see the hunt, or there are problems with English, then you can skip the first 2min of 6,5.
                it is "just the basement" of a residential building in which you can stay for several weeks, each one has it. from it is already moving to the "serious bomb shelter" and artillery bunker.
                youtube.com/results?search_query=swiss+army+bunkers
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          Kassandra 31 March 2014 19: 45 New
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          Peter (in which the Badayevsky depots burned out immediately) generally held back due to the fire of the forts of the Oranienbaum Pladarm, and this despite the fact that there were no mountains there.
          Do you mean Swiss drones? If so, then the main bases of the Swiss Air Force in the mountainous part, in the caves. Ultrashort runways in the valleys, accelerator starts and aerofinishing landings. That is why they regularly purchase fleet varieties and modifications of aircraft.
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            Leningrad held back not only due to the forts' fire, but also due to the ships of the Baltic Fleet and field fortifications. And as you correctly focused your attention on Badayevsky warehouses, the city withstood mainly due to the road of life and almost continuous attacks of the Volkhov front of the outer circle of encirclement, so the example is not very suitable. Drones meant a country that wants to carry out an invasion, and not Swiss (this gave an example of an analogy with Afghanistan, where US drones constantly hunt the Taliban). A mountain airfield is certainly a good thing, but it is unlikely that they will be undetected, and it is much more difficult to restore a mountain airfield after a strike than a flat one, I think you will not argue with this. All the difficulties of the invasion are completely solvable, especially for armies equipped with modern weapons, there would be a desire, but is this invasion necessary for anyone in the center of Europe? I am not trying to belittle Switzerland, I am just trying to share my doubts about the timing of significant resistance. Of course, individual foci can hold out for 10 years, but they will not be decisive. In general, thanks for the comments, I learned a lot from your words
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              Kassandra 31 March 2014 22: 08 New
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              Mainly due to flanking fire from the forts. See the wiki “blockade of Leningrad”. Sevastopol fell only after one of its two tower batteries was covered by Dora.
              So, it turns out better to build them in an open field ?? Mountain airfield is much harder to hit. Especially aircraft shelters in caves. And it’s just easier to restore - there is granite rock under the concrete of the runway, so there will be no camouflage explosion and a large funnel.
              Why not? They climbed into Yugoslavia. Unlike Libya, it is very close to Switzerland ... World politics is based entirely on force or on it and on a community of interests. They will devour the weak.
              The organization of one nation tried to put pressure on the gnomes with sanctions to open Natsik accounts and they nevertheless opened them, but only those accounts that were exactly Natsik, that is, they opened at their discretion. Swiss bank accounts ceased to be completely secret only after the US adopted JDAM-2, which ensures the defeat of most (but not all) of the stationary Swiss bunkers in the embrasures.
              There is no doubt about the seriousness of the Swiss - this is the only country in which every citizen is provided with NZ to live for 5 years in bunkers protected from WMD. Every citizen is young and old.
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              Peter, Osovets, the Brest Fortress was defended by the Russian Army - this is the main reason for stamina. By the way, the Russian army, led by Suvorov, was called to liberate Switzerland in 1799 from the French. Che the whole Swiss population valiantly scored on defense.
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                Kassandra April 2 2014 05: 49 New
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                The main reason for persistence is that it is a fortress.
                The Poles in 1939 defended Brest also not bad.
                Suvorov did not release Switzerland, he left Italy through it after the separate surrender of the allies in the anti-French coalition.
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                  So "passed" that all of Europe still remembers, by the way in Switzerland, for those events, a monument stands to Russian heroes and the land under the memorial is Russian land. Right?
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                    Kassandra April 2 2014 12: 44 New
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                    He didn’t “pass” but leave (he broke through, saving his army, and did not liberate Switzerland in general)
                    the Swiss remember, and Europe chose to forget.
                    Inadequate from the Swiss 25 years old met only one thing, by the way he was shy by his origin and considered himself an EU citizen.
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                      It was passing. The campaign was planned to liberate Switzerland from the French troops and the allied forces to leave France. But as a result of sabotage and direct betrayal of the Austrians, this goal was not achieved. Suvorov left Switzerland no longer saving his army (he defeated all the Frenchmen in the nearest district), but as a result of a break with the Austrians.
                      The Swiss, by the way, did not show their worth then as warriors. While the real armies fought, their amusing army sat in their huts and portrayed peaceful villagers.
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                        They dug the bunker - there was no time.)))
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                        Kassandra April 2 2014 13: 56 New
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                        bunkers began to be built in 1880 when the development of artillery on reach allowed to block all the valleys.
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                      Kassandra April 2 2014 13: 53 New
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                      What did Suvorov not stay there then? And he urgently left the passes captured with fights and went to the plains precisely in this Austria and Germany?
                      The local Swiss half a year earlier, the French broke. Their hired regiments were then mainly in the Netherlands and in Italy. They guarded the French king before that and all died.
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                      So the troops with which Suvorov was supposed to unite were already defeated by the French. The Austrians, who were supposed to provide the army of Suvorov, to say the least, sabotaged this matter. And then they took their troops away. So I had to improvise on the go.
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                      bunkers began to be built in 1880 when the development of artillery on reach allowed to block all the valleys.

                      Yes, they cover them with direct fire. I watched a movie in Swiss bunkers. There are guns of small and medium caliber. All these are museum weapons and the same museum tactics of the middle of the last century. How long will they stretch against infantry, tanks, and howitzer fire and MLRS from fast-moving fast on BMP? Not to mention aviation.
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                      Kassandra April 2 2014 17: 00 New
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                      From the MLRS from a closed position and directly through the embrasure?
                      Direct fire is a lead on a moving target meter and a half.
                      At 17 km, their guns hit on average on average. Where in the defile is enough less - there are those that you saw as a rarity. They have 11 km.
                      Infantry sniper tactics are also museum.
                      By aviation, many of these bunkers are only affected by JDAM-2, and aviation will have to face suppression and air defense.
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                      Quote: Kassandra
                      From the MLRS from a closed position and directly through the embrasure?

                      Secondly, it is not necessary directly along the embrasure, especially if the use of volume-detonating or thermobaric ammunition. And firstly, the day is near when it will become a reality. Maybe this is already a reality, it’s just not yet applied to the troops.

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                      At 17 km, their guns hit on average on average.

                      But not aiming? And what, the mountainous terrain for all these 11-17 km is visible? Do guns installed in these bunkers have no dead spots? Artillery of modern armies shoots at a distance of 40 km. MLRS from 30 to 120 km. Tactical missile systems up to 100 km or more. In general, the main thing is for the pillbox to detect itself and for a long time it will not exist.
                      What kind of infantry sniper tactics? Explain.

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                      aviation will have to face suppression, and with air defense.

                      Well, you yourself appeal to the Serbian experience ...
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                      Kassandra April 2 2014 18: 41 New
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                      Mandatory. In a torn ACS, thermobaric is also sideways.

                      "what, the mountainous terrain is visible for all these 11-17 km"
                      means not only direct fire

                      What does the Serbian experience have to do with it? This is Switzerland. And the Vietnamese or Syrian experience of 1983-84?
                      The Yugoslavs were so unprepared and there was generally a civil war.

                      After all, who can invest more material in engineering and technical resources, either Swiss or Koreans?

                      Any point in Switzerland is struck by at least five of their bunkers, it’s not even crossfire or a fire bag, it’s generally hell
                      Everything is shot there. Not cold. hence the accuracy of 0,5 meters.
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                      Quote: Kassandra
                      In a torn ACS, thermobaric is also sideways.

                      And in the bullied self-propelled guns, in which the case cracked as a result of undermining the OFS?
                      Quote: Kassandra
                      means not only direct fire

                      And if you apply a smoke screen? And other ways to disable gunners and spotters?

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                      What does the Serbian experience have to do with it? This is Switzerland. And the Vietnamese or Syrian experience of 1983-84?

                      No, Vietnamese and Syrian 83-84 will not work, because there is an advanced Serbian experience. Three four months will be ironed from the air. In a week, Switzerland will have no aviation left, and in a month, only MANPADS and machine guns will remain of the entire air defense system. Three months later - a humanitarian disaster. There is no connection, the Internet, electricity, food, fuel, medicines are running out, water supply and sewage systems are not functioning. Watchmaking, textile and other enterprises are turning into ruins one after another.
                      And no one is even interested in bunkers. The soldiers in them sit and watch how their country enters back into the Stone Age. That's what the Operation Allied Force experience is all about.
                      But, in principle, NATO can also show humanity. Just close the borders. And then in a year and without the expense of expensive ammunition, a humanitarian catastrophe will begin. And the proud Swiss highlanders will take any pose that they indicate.

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                      Everything is shot there. Not cold. hence the accuracy of 0,5 meters.

                      Since two generations of Swiss artillerymen were already shot there, the climate has changed, including the direction of the wind, and in some places the relief.
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                      Kassandra April 2 2014 23: 06 New
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                      "no internet" like everything else - smiled.
                      So that then do not take into account the experience of Grenada and Somalia.
                      In the bunkers, not only the fighters will be sitting, but in general all the Swiss to one. They are not toy. There, everyone is provided with a bed and everything necessary for 5 years, from small to large.
                      NATO cannot even show such “humanity” in reality. At least because bases in the center of Europe then can get the same China as an option. Neutrality is neutrality, but if a country is attacked, and a blockade in accordance with international law (and treaties on ensuring access for landlocked countries with unhindered access to ports) is an act of war, then everything changes and the country seeks and finds allies for itself. Or they even look for her themselves. Hitler would attack and the Allied bombers as well as their fighter cover would fly there not only for internment, but also from there.
                      The wind generally blows in different directions, this is taken into account.
                      The Yugoslav experience is that Switzerland then closed its airspace (and neutral Austria — mine doesn’t) and not a single tomahawk passed through it. About 40k pieces were shot down. B-52s soared from bases in England were unloaded mainly over southern Germany. It is strange why this has not yet appeared in the article.
                      When the closure of the airspace was announced, the top NATO officials at the briefing were partly surprised, but for the most part they smiled obscenely directly at the camera. Almost 10 whole seconds, until at first one of them and then two more was pulled by a normal man who appeared in the frame by the sleeve.
                      Similar evil smiles were seen only when some aunt from the "country of banks" flew into negotiations in the Russian Federation and some of her belly-haired girls, who had been attentive to the ladder in expensive English polls before that, frowned squeamishly. Well, she also looked at them and didn’t even talk to them anymore. The composition of the delegation had to be changed by the host.
                      I don’t think that to the citizens of the EU and NATO, in the 20 km + lane from the border, if Mochilov begins, their Internet will replace the bunker. Then Switzerland is a multinational country, and if someone in America simply wants something, then they will not understand him in France or Germany or Italy.
                    9. nerd.su April 2 2014 23: 44 New
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                      Our discussion of the war in Switzerland cannot be taken seriously at all. At least an adequate person.
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                      In the bunkers, not only the fighters will be sitting, but in general all the Swiss to one. They are not toy. There, everyone is provided with a bed and everything necessary for 5 years, from small to large.

                      Blessed is he who believes. I’m not sure of your adequacy now. More than seven million beds underground, artillery bunkers, factories, tunnels ... Straight Moria, however what
                      In China, they are not sick, they will not climb to make a base in the center of Europe, in a landlocked country surrounded by countries of one military-political bloc that is unfriendly to China. So NATO can safely block. If the Germans or the French do not like the tight blockade, it can be softer. Tourists should not be allowed, the visa regime to complicate, introduce restrictions and duties on most goods, boycott hours. Freeze international financial activities. After a year and a half, the Swiss will accept any conditions. And they will begin to take their tourists to the bunkers laughing
                      The fact that the tomahawks shot down - well done! But an automatic machine with 50 rounds is still just an artificial maintenance of production and complete garbage from a military point of view. When they try to shoot the landing they and their citizens will shoot darkness and the landing is unlikely to stop.
                      Well, everything is clear about Mochilovo, the Swiss are sitting completely in bunkers (by the way, they probably already did the intranet, in the bunkers. If the North Koreans did it, then the porters do it all the more), they turn the pedals of the generators and watch how they drive their country into stone Age...
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                      Kassandra April 3 2014 00: 13 New
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                      Do not believe me - watch YouTube. Every Swiss knows his bunk by the way.
                      China has a base in Cuba. Not only electronic. In counter Taiwan. Their boats sail regularly in the Arctic and the Atlantic. This is no longer a regional superpower.
                      You can go to some bunkers for an excursion for a long time.
                      First of all, machine guns at home (without fail, before 1940 - at will) just so that it would be impossible to throw out the landing.
                      I saw pedal generators, but Norway provides itself with electricity from a mini-hydroelectric power station by 99%, dial what is Swiss biss.
                      You know, I also doubt it because I spend time here.
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                      Quote: Kassandra
                      Do not believe - watch YouTube

                      Same to me a credible source!
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                      China has a base in Cuba. Not only electronic. In counter Taiwan.

                      In Cuba to counter Taiwan? Something you have with geography laughing

                      Small hydroelectric power stations will be used by occupiers. The Swiss are sitting in bunkers.
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                      Kassandra April 3 2014 15: 44 New
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                      That is, it’s not enough to see what was captured on camera? Sie sind troll?
                      Small hydropower plants with bunkers. In the open field or burrows on the ashes given to them after a six-month active defense, the Akkuppants will be in a dash with comfort from the mountain bunker system. Another two or three years.
                      What is your logic? The Americans tease China with Taiwan, China teases the Sshans with Cuba, like the USSR once. Only in contrast to the USSR, if they are impatient, they will not remove their missiles from there. They will launch them. And in the case of just a blockade - they block Taiwan and Korea. Japan will also sit on dry packs.
                      Since 1993, China has a military treaty with Cuba, the same as the United States and Taiwan. Therefore, unlike almost all other countries of the socialist camp, nothing happens with Cuba.
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                      That is, it’s not enough to see what was captured on camera?

                      What is captured on camera? Seven million beds? If you take off every bed for 1 second, then this is a 2000-hour series, Santa Barbara is almost in full version. Sie sind troll?
                      A couple of beds from different angles will not convince me that bunkers are dug in all Swiss. The moneybags have no questions, the villas are well built ... Will you be from Khodorkovsky, dear? Why female nickname? Inmates awarded?
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                      What is your logic?

                      What do you have with logic and Russian? So it is necessary to write - in the US counter. China has its own internal affairs with Taiwan.
                      Nothing too bad happens to Vietnam either.
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                      Kassandra April 3 2014 19: 33 New
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                      Can you still lie down in every bed? Sit on each stool and eat from each bowl?
                      Oh, those Russians ... lol
                      Nobody is obliged to convince you. The availability of a place in the bunker of civil defense is prescribed in the constitution. Relief, energy supply and the availability of building materials this favors.
                      In Russian, it was spelled correctly (in the counter of what exactly). The fact that Taiwan is supported by the United States, and guarantee its security from China, is known to almost everyone and everyone.
                      It will not happen to Vietnam, during the Vietnam war, for every Soviet military there were 20 Chinese (pilots on a licensed MiG-19, anti-aircraft gunners MZA, military builders). To them, the United States, neither then, nor now, from the other flank, leaned on its side. And from the Koreans that the north and south, they themselves have a headache, so they put up with the problem.
                      With Taiwan, China is nervous as with Tibet, because the Chinese are not indigenous there, they captured it from the Dutch in 1667. During the previous civil war, the defeated army likewise rolled off the continent through the strait and settled there, walking around putting on the Dutch stars, took all their bicycles from them and peacefully released them to Indonesia. The rebel army was led by a Japanese mother.
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                      Kassandra April 3 2014 20: 24 New
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                      ... and then they became bored in Taiwan and they slaughtered almost all the local Polynesians (Formosa is the ancestral home of the Polynesians). The Dutch before them, however, were also not sugar.
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                      and this nickname for various reasons, but in particular because the Greeks did not listen to it either
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              Kassandra April 3 2014 02: 37 New
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              I forgot, but I don’t understand ... The NATO officials stopped smiling because he not only pulled his sleeve, drawing attention to himself, but also muttered into everyone’s ear "they really are going to do this."
              “This” is downs or internment.
              PS. My American friend in general then blinked for a long time often, often: "how, are they not in NATO"?
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    under Napoleon, long-range rifled artillery with high-pressure barrels (and a system of artillery bunkers) did not exist.
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      After Napoleon, much more was invented and already done. For example, one hydrogen bomb and all bank accounts are closed))) In general, I would write an article on the defense of Switzerland. - We would grind our teeth with the whole community on the topic "How to occupy Switzerland without the use of strategic weapons?" It would be interesting!
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        Kassandra April 2 2014 12: 52 New
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        In general, it is written on Wikipedia, as well as about the specifics of the use of nuclear weapons. To defeat them with undisguised troops in the mountains, a 2-5-fold overspending of special ammunition is needed compared to the plain. Troops will be hidden in bunkers with protection against weapons of mass destruction. To damage it, it will be necessary to break through the tsarbomb over each fort, or the tactical one at the embrasures of each battery.
        It is in no way beneficial to occupy it. And money in this case will generally lose almost any meaning - they cannot be eaten.
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          Quote: Kassandra
          To damage it, it will be necessary to break through the tsarbomb over each fort, or the tactical one at the embrasures of each battery.
          It is in no way beneficial to occupy it.

          Nuclear weapons explode out of "sports interest", and not because of the benefits.
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            Kassandra April 2 2014 13: 39 New
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            A neutron bomb costs less than one urban house.
            Out of sporting interest they shoot at skeet.
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    No, it's just that every soldier is a sniper.

    What .. sniper? Serves 260 days for 10 (!) Years. What kind of professionalism?
    It's just that everyone tacitly admits that Switzerland is a piggy bank that they nobly touch.
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      Kassandra April 2 2014 01: 58 New
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      Such! Training should be regular.
      Switzerland does not have an army; it is an army itself.
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    ... from 3 to 5 years - if something he didn’t live so much :-))
    and, in the event of an invasion, they would immediately provide their unkillable airbases carved into the rocks for use by the Allies, who were strategically located in the center of occupied Europe.
    During the bombing of Yugoslavia, Switzerland closed its airspace and no one dared to fly through it. stray tomahawks strayed.
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    But here you are confusing with Switzerland, it was neutral.

    Such neutrality was not bad when German financial flows went through Swiss banks, and German intelligence worked at home.
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      Quote: Bongo
      Such neutrality was not bad when German financial flows went through Swiss banks, and German intelligence worked at home.


      If this is profitable, then it is natural that the Swiss did not refuse such a thing. Nevertheless, Switzerland did not provide assistance to the Nazis in conquering certain countries.
  • krechet-1978 31 March 2014 13: 43 New
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    Interestingly, the Swiss Air Force in 1940 was armed with the most modern aircraft bought from German "friends." Only Germany had more Messerschmitt Bf.109 than Switzerland, and this despite the fact that Switzerland itself produced under license a Mo.-Solnez fighter MS.406 for France. With winged engines it’s understandable, but .. The cars are new, where Switzerland took pilots with a large flying hours and, apparently, with combat experience on modern new generation high-speed fighters? I suppose that the world's financial movers to protect their Vault created PMCs from German veteran pilots who fought in Spain, hence the knowledge of the tactics of conducting air combat by the German Luftwaffe. There are other options?
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      Kassandra 31 March 2014 15: 33 New
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      There is. Just watch on YouTube how they train.
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        Who is training? 1940 Swiss pilots of the year? Can I link?
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          Kassandra 31 March 2014 18: 28 New
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          many links
          how anyone trains, from snipers and gunners to aerobatics and shooting at lake targets.
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    Surely, Spain. What is not an option? Angry at the Germans for helping Franco Republicans.
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      Quote: Bugor
      Surely, Spain. What is not an option? Angry at the Germans for helping Franco Republicans.
      Czechs, Poles, German pilots of Jewish origin, for example.
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      Quote: Bugor
      Surely, Spain. What is not an option? Angry at the Germans for helping Franco Republicans.
      Czechs, Poles, German pilots of Jewish origin, for example.
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        Kassandra 31 March 2014 17: 23 New
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        The Nazi Luftwaffe fought in Spain not in full force, but the training came from somewhere! Why did the Swiss not have it or could not have it then?
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          Because combat training does not arise from the air.
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            Kassandra 31 March 2014 18: 31 New
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            It arises first from the right training, then it is already acquired in battles.
            Which aircraft were shot down more in 1940, German or Swiss?
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              Both sides were armed with German aircraft, and only German pilots had combat experience on these aircraft before. Therefore, I earlier put forward the version of hiring German Luftwaffe veterans to serve in the Swiss Air Force.
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                Kassandra 31 March 2014 22: 13 New
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                It's just that both of them were mostly Germans, and these are serious pilots. But the Swiss Air Force veterans with combat experience fought mainly on the side of the Republicans in Spain and not the Franks.
                Pokryshkin somehow fought in the Second World War on an American Aerocobra (which by their staff was generally an attack aircraft) and nothing.
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                Kassandra 31 March 2014 22: 23 New
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                in light of these Spanish affairs, a certain number of Swiss pilots (among whom could also be French by nationality) could have experience how to shoot down Messers, even if fighting on Messers. knowledge of the weaknesses of one's own-foreign technique means a lot.
                when France surrendered, by the way, they opened their airspace for the transit of Italian and German aircraft, because besides teasing Hitler to keep him closed, there wasn’t much sense left - the border fighting was over.
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    The Swiss denied the aphorism of the satirist ... "Wanting to see the fight to the end, I was beaten by both sides" smile
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      in Schaffhausen, actually more than 2000 were killed by the bombing of Anglo-Americans.
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    The material is interesting. To the author +. You never know, have to organize an air strike in Switzerland, I will plan after 17.00.
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    The material is interesting. To the author +. You never know, have to organize an air strike in Switzerland, I will plan after 17.00.
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      Kassandra 31 March 2014 17: 19 New
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      once again the arrows will be translated (or not translated) and you will miscalculate anyway :-)
      start a war on April 1st, it will be worse than June 22nd, because everyone will think that this is a scruff ... and then on the 2nd when a NATO airborne assault or the ketets take Maskva, it will be rushing around. and you won’t beat off the landing force because the trunks of everyone, unlike the Swiss, are not at home, but under the lock of an uncle with a naganych.
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        start a war on April 1st, it will be worse than June 22nd, because everyone will think that this is a scruff ... and then on the 2nd when a NATO airborne assault or the ketets take Maskva, it will be rushing around. and you won’t beat off the landing force because the trunks of everyone, unlike the Swiss, are not at home, but under the lock of an uncle with a naganych.


        Kassandra, I don’t know, I don’t know! But mind you, NATO began all its military operations at the end of March, before April 1. Probably the reason is that this is the birthday of the North Atlantic Alliance. This organization was formed on that date in 1949.
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          They started to bomb Iraq for the first time, like in January nonetheless.
          Well, let’s say I know. they accustom them - on April 1, it seems like March has ended, and such a day, everyone jokes ...
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            They started to bomb Iraq for the first time, like in January nonetheless. Well, I suppose.


            Well, in fact, in 1991 they fought with Iraq not in the person of NATO, but in the face of a multinational coalition led by the United States. This war is part of the American military operations.

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            they accustom them - on April 1, it seems like March has ended, and such a day, everyone jokes ...


            The bombing of the territories of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Libya - NATO always started precisely at the end of March, before April 1. Maybe they somehow bombed everyone in jest crying ))) Indeed, on this day everyone jokes ... laughing
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              no, it's just usually it all starts in purim.
              with Iraq in 1991 was a Masonic holiday
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    From dusk to dawn, the Swiss sky is guarded by the air forces of neighboring countries - Germany, Italy and France, with which the relevant treaties are concluded

    1. in PEACEFUL (!) time
    2. agreement (in my opinion from 2004) with France, Italy and Germany, which allows air police act in swiss airspace.
    3: Just look at the map of Switzerland (in the context of its location in Europe) and sizes:

    41 km square (58,5% of the entire territory is occupied by the Alps, 10% - Jura Mountains)
    Soared up? And already in France, Germany or Italy
    4. The same agreement is with Sweden, Slovenia, Hungary and New Vasyuki (Baltic states)
    5. The number of Air Force personnel (fighter aircraft) and pilots will not allow solving the problem of constant operational duty until 2015+ requirement of the Confederation Parliament from 2010 (protection of pilots' labor)
    5. The problem will be partially solved in 2016 (2nd shift, 100 additional staff) and in 2020 (3rd shift) + purchase of 22 Gripen
    6. Do not forget that Switzerland (for its hard-earned 728 million Swiss francs) in 2004 commissioned FLORAKO (which France, Italy, Germany and the USA use essno)




    -KOMSYS communication system (Link-16 for example, for the French Boeing E-3 Sentry AWACS)
    RLS FLORES
    RALUS radar
    -LUNAS-EZ warning system
    -Military Civil System MICAMS
    - Pilatus PC-12
    - and (will) be a mobile TAFLIR on the Ground Master 200 type AN / MPQ-64 version of Northrop Grumman AN / TPS-75, for complex terrain
    ================= approx. for fun:
    The decision to purchase F-18 was made at the ALL-SWISS REFERENDUM !!!!
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      Kassandra 31 March 2014 16: 51 New
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      and they are balanced in their choice of a "vendor" so that they depend little on anyone:
      German Messerschmitts
      english vampires
      French Mirages
      american hornets
      swedishike gripena
      so soon the Russian line will do. just Su for them is likely too large and with an excessively large radius, and MiG or Yaki would have come up
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        postman 31 March 2014 17: 16 New
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        and they are balanced in their choice of a "vendor" so that they depend little on anyone:

        1. The Swiss guys are "test", and even if we take into account that each canton has its own "kneset" and the constitution = impressive.
        On September 27, the Swiss Federal Parliament concluded the autumn session with a final general vote on 13 issues, including the acquisition of 22 Gripen E fighters and the financing of the program in the amount of 3,126 billion francs (3,452 billion dollars) under the separate Gripen Foundation.

        With 119 votes in favor with 71 against and 4 abstentions, the Council of Cantons (Standerat) - 25 votes in favor with 17 against
        the retired F-5E “Tiger-2” Swiss Air Force may redeem (!) the United States, for themselves.

        2. I won’t say for the military (I talked a little), but the crypto are real pros there.
        3.Markus Gygax pushes through a national missile defense system (capable of hitting targets within a radius of more than 3000 km), with a high probability of Swiss production (together with RM)
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      Quote: Postman
      1. in PEACEFUL (!) time

      What is peacetime? Syria, Ukraine, Bandera
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      3: Just look at the map of Switzerland (in the context of its location in Europe) and sizes:

      How many hours can I drive by car - from a checkpoint to a checkpoint at the border?
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      The decision to purchase F-18 was made at the ALL-SWISS REFERENDUM !!!!

      I wonder how many pacifists opposed
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        postman 31 March 2014 17: 24 New
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        What is peacetime?

        This is Switzerland on the drum, as in 2MB
        Other excites

        They don’t climb where they don’t need (Euro, EEC, NATO)
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        How many hours can I drive by car - from a checkpoint to a checkpoint at the border?

        -What exactly is the checkpoint?
        -Who is SPECIFICALLY a driver? and on what? (I drove fast ... in the summer)
        -What season? (was in the snow, impressed)
        == DARE ====
        http://here.com/directions
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        I wonder how many pacifists opposed

        -they have NO Pacifists !!!
        Most Swiss citizens participating in a nationwide referendum spoke out against restrictions on keeping firearms at home

        To date, the residents of Switzerland have 2-3 million firearms in their hands - in a country with a population of 7,6 million people.
        It’s difficult to name the exact number, as in the country no national weapons registry.
        Military personnel and former military personnel are officially allowed to keep weapons at home in Switzerland since World War II.
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          Kassandra 31 March 2014 17: 52 New
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          It’s not allowed (just try to ban), and after the story of the capture of the Belgian forts by the German airborne forces in 1940, this is required of them!
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    Curious. Switzerland is a plain valley where 2 / 3 population lives and all industry, infrastructure and agriculture are located. This Swiss plateau is sandwiched on the right by the Alps, on the left by the Jurassic mountains, on the top and bottom by lakes - Geneva and Boden. Those. from the north, from Germany and from the south from France, to invade and occupy Switzerland is not such a great task. Partisans can live in the mountains - they are not needed there and do not bother anyone.
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      Kassandra 31 March 2014 17: 13 New
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      a great task in fact - both Swiss valleys are blocked from the mountains by artillery fire, in addition, tank counterattacks are possible from mountain shelters, look at how many of them there are on the wikipedia.
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        Yes, they still have weapons like a candy wrapper’s fool, only if the local police will cope with him and if he wants to turn his hobbit into a mordor. In Europe, there has never been statehood as such, hundreds of small counties, lands and other collective farms from which various empires and states are assembled and parsed from puzzles. Borders move so often that it makes no sense to defend them - the European Union is one word) Therefore, Europeans will not risk their property and material values, it is better to let the next occupiers go - it will be cheaper and safer.
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          Kassandra 31 March 2014 17: 55 New
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          Now in normal countries only fools have no weapons (in fool patients). And the slaves never had it.
          He can handle it, and anyone who dares to get in there, or just take himself badly in the streets, will wash himself with blood.
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            Why such confidence?
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              Kassandra 31 March 2014 18: 35 New
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              From knowledge of the issue. Any piglet in Switzerland is struck by fire from at least 5 different well-camouflaged bunkers, which are all reported as lost. And every soldier is a sniper. And not one to the platoon or to the squad.
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                Are you a Swiss citizen? Such zeal for protecting the image of Switzerland should be encouraged either by money or by patriotic satisfaction.
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                  Kassandra April 1 2014 18: 47 New
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                  Have you been given something? So don’t you love them like that?
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                    I am a citizen of Russia, envy a foreigner!
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                      Kassandra April 2 2014 02: 00 New
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                      So do I. But the truth is what?
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                        The Swiss army is militarily nil, a joke. In principle, even this phrase causes laughter.
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                        Switzerland has no army at all. She is the army itself!
                        This is for some reason Russians in the Russian Federation disarmed “drunkards”, although almost all of them served in the army.
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                        Switzerland has no army at all.
                        I agree.))
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                        In professional language, this is not called the army but the police (militia).
                        There are only 9000 permanent employees there, including pilots. They should train more than 2 weeks a year.
                        "Police" this line of defense on alert will take 10 minutes. They will shoot the thrown landing from the balconies in the air generally immediately.
                        If you suddenly find yourself with a parachute (or teleporter) in a meadow or on a mountain slope, then a shell about half a meter from you from another mountain slope will immediately slam into the ground or armor. With the fact that from this situation, nothing good shines for you, do you agree too? Nuclear weapons in this Switzerland, taking into account its mountainous terrain, need so much that half the world will then become uninhabited, and the ODAB will not take their airtight bunkers. Interference to high-precision which should be able to get into the gun mask they know how to put. Flying between the mountains for their pilots is a common thing.
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                        A terrible thing is a battle in the city. Primarily for the local population.
                        Nuclear weapons need very little ((- a few charges on the Swiss plateau and no one will reach the bunkers ((Your mountains will only strengthen the effect, and the rest of the country will be covered. - It's like throwing a grenade into a tank hatch ...
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                        First of all, for those who are in an unfamiliar (and for many since childhood) terrain climbs.
                        Run to them several floors down the stairs. There is an early detection and warning system.
                        Regarding nuclear weapons in the mountains, read the textbooks. Reverse ramps weaken, direct ramps weaken, just keep in mind that bunkers are generally a lightbulb because they are almost the same protection class as the starting positions of silo ICBMs. Even the gun barrel in most of them is hidden in the rock, behind the wings so that it does not deform.
                        You first go up to this hatch and open it so that you don’t fry 4 others under the tail.
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                In 2, the Russian Federation, which borders on NATO and with 2006 billionth China, had 20 tanks, it was planned to have no more than 000 in the future. Now most likely about 2000. Combat aircraft - 7000.
                The Bundeswehr (NATO’s main land strike force in Europe) is armed with over 1200 MBTs and 340 combat aircraft
                France = 670 and 380
                The mountains of Switzerland are armed with 900 tanks and 150 combat aircraft (armored vehicles are selected to be reduced by 4 or more times under the guise of saving money for the purchase of JAS39, but I think they’ll just strangle them secretly).
                How strange it is you have a "zero" set.
                This is despite the fact that besides Switzerland, no one has strategic mountain fortified areas.
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                Quote: Kassandra

                This is despite the fact that besides Switzerland, no one has strategic mountain fortified areas.

                In modern conditions, any fortifications have already lost their strategic importance.
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                Kassandra April 2 2014 12: 01 New
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                True true? Digging in has also become redundant? Did RPGs cancel armored vehicles?
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                The word "strategy" is not familiar to you?
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                this is the operational-tactical level
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          You even have nowhere to carry out teachings, to ride equipment, to maneuver with a brigade. Is there at least a tank training ground?
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          you write straight so confidently ... of course there is, their armored vehicles ride almost anywhere they want, there is no problem with firing - the shell will not fly off further than the mountain.
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          Well, the fact that the soldiers in trams with machine guns ride this I heard. And that tanks with bk in traffic jams with cars are when the crew goes home for dinner ?!
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          Does the tank have anything to do in the city?
          there are almost no traffic jams if something is passed as an ambulance in Poland.
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    Although do not worry, no one is going to fight Switzerland. Because, as a soldier does not offend a child, Russia will not touch Switzerland))))))
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    Kassandra April 2 2014 12: 06 New
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    child, have you been shot at least once over your ear? :-)))
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    Do you have a concussion or something? This clarifies a lot.
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    Kassandra April 2 2014 13: 08 New
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    no, they just woke up after 5 days of sleep.
    at least once explain something?
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    And we were taught to recover in 10-15 minutes, and you feel as if 8 hours were sleeping. No dope. But even these 10-15 minutes, you’ll cut the situation around - 10 seconds and ready for battle. Enough for a week, no longer tried.
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    Kassandra April 2 2014 13: 42 New
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    you feel - yes, only the sun makes too fast a turn around.
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    So did you fall asleep during the day))) At the post, I suppose? And that’s why you were woken up by a shot over your ear. - So to say, the guard is conditionally destroyed. And I thought what it was to shoot in the barracks, now everything is clear.
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    yes arctic
    then they woke up when I slept for 1,5 days, they got scared - they couldn't wake me up
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    What do you not get enough sleep in Switzerland. - Violate the Geneva Convention.
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    Kassandra April 2 2014 14: 25 New
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    they were “Latvians”, they don’t know where to press behind the ear.
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    Kassandra April 2 2014 12: 32 New
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    "no one is going" ... you the fate of Yugoslavia, which from Switzerland is half its length, is that so, is it nothing?
    I'm not worried about Switzerland but the condopog.
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    Russia must always be strong. And Switzerland will have enough police, I agree.
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    Hitler somehow never attacked Switzerland with its police, although he had more than a year for this. and until D-day he sharpened his teeth.
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    There was no “fas” command, so it didn’t occupy it.
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    he gave commands
    before England there was at least a wide ditch with water
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    "no one is going" ... to you the fate of Yugoslavia, which is half its length from Switzerland

    But tell me, what is not in Yugoslavia and is in Switzerland? And in this regard, who wants to quarrel with the entire world community, attacking Switzerland?
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    swiss army bunker dial on YouTube is not laziness?
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    Switzerland has no army at all. She is the army itself!

    It is commendable that you are so consistently defending your second homeland.
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    This is for some reason Russians in the Russian Federation disarmed “drunkards”, although almost all of them served in the army.

    In Russia, everyone who wants this has a weapon. Who does not have, that means and does not want.
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    Armed with Russia bordering NATO and 2 billionth China

    Russia can drive both NATO and China into the Stone Age. We need tanks for other purposes.
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    In the mountains of Switzerland - 900 tanks and 150 combat aircraft

    And what is the supply of fuel and ammunition for such a powerful amount of military equipment? Surely no more than for a single heroic attack.
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    This is despite the fact that besides Switzerland, no one has strategic mountain fortified areas.

    Oh, if you would have praised Switzerland’s financial success, it would have been difficult for you to object ...
    There is such a small proud country - the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. So there the whole country is a strategic mountain fortified area. And these are not cellars with armored doors in the houses of "fat" burghers (fat in quotation marks, generally Swiss athletes are great). These are firing points sheltered inside the rocks, stockpiles of weapons and ammunition, hangars with equipment and entire defense industry enterprises. This is a huge network of coated roads, built so that they can be runways for aviation on all flat areas. Etc. For the North Korean army, what to blow your nose, what to disperse the Swiss police laughing That's just unlikely they will meet on the battlefield. Switzerland, it is militarily generally like that elusive Joe.
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    This is not what I came up with.
    Are everyone in Russia home pistols and Kalash? I thought only of the cops and the bandits.
    Do you need tanks for chtoli biathlon?
    The stock as it should be, according to the inventory.
    With all due respect, the North Korean army will not be able to cope with Sweden. All the same is in Switzerland, only much better :-))) Moreover, moves to the network of fortifications lead directly from the houses of these very burghers. Fortifications are better than nobody has in Switzerland. Even the USSR near Vladivostok was not.
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    Are everyone in Russia home pistols and Kalash? I thought only of the cops and the bandits.

    Yes ... why do people need Kalashi and pistols? Whoever needs a saiga can buy the same Kalash, only with semi-automatic fire.
    The policemen, too, can’t be kept at home. Yes, and pistols are not recommended (as it were, but if you really need it, then you can).
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    The stock as it should be, according to the inventory.

    I understand these descriptions are a military secret ... But at least see a half page laughing

    What is better in Switzerland than in North Korea? At least one plant for the production and repair of military equipment in the bowels of the rocks is sheltered? Cartridge, powder factories? Are there many planes, tanks, etc. hiding in the bunkers? Let's say a plane sits on an autobahn. And the system for refueling aircraft, replenishing ammunition, maintenance worked out? Maybe there is almost a hundred thousandth special forces in which they serve for 10 years?
    About the fact that the system of bunkers and their weapons is outdated, I wrote above.
    The aim of improving modern MLRS is the ability to fire, when each fired rocket has its own mission. If 5-6 OFS from a “hail” fall into such a bunker, and then also a couple of volumetric explosion ammunition, then the heroic defense will end there.
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    Kassandra April 2 2014 17: 35 New
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    why people

    apparently this is the meaning of the bickering ...

    In Switzerland, everyone is obliged to buy their own weapons. With bunkering there is better than anywhere else. Absolutely everything critical in adits and caves. Cartridge factories, too (they don’t know about gunpowder, but they usually prepare it in advance).
    Are there too many emoticons for a serious topic? About cave airfields can also be seen on YouTube. Why should all this not be worked out?
    The purpose of the MLRS is the coverage of area targets. "MLRS" as you write is anti-roofing ammunition against tanks (it used to be fashionable) or the infusion of missile defense ships.
    The defense of one single gun will temporarily end only if there is a direct hit in its gun mask with ammunition of sufficient power. Or an explosion of tactical JBL in several. tens of meters from the embrasure. Although you may just have to put a new barrel, and replace the calculation. When the guns even work just on firing, the gun chamber is always isolated by doors (well, suddenly a gun, for example, breaks, then almost all powder gases will go inside the fort).
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    the point is that mobilization in Switzerland and mobilization in Russia are two different realities.

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    In Switzerland, everyone is obliged to buy their own weapons.

    That is the whole point. Capitalism, maintaining constant demand using patriotic sentiments. The military meaning is zero.

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    Are there too many emoticons for a serious topic?

    Is the Swiss army a serious topic? Yes, only the Vanuatu army is more serious ... bully

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    The defense of one single gun will temporarily end only if there is a direct hit in its gun mask with ammunition of sufficient power.

    If so precisely ammunition of sufficient power, then the defense will end forever, not temporarily. Temporarily, for example, when you have to change the trunk, damaged by a shot of insufficient power next to the embrasure.
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    Are you a military man? If yes, and from the Russian Federation or so, then uzhos.
    The point is that if the Chinese military aviation drops the landing or simply crosses the Amur, then it will capture all its cities immediately and almost without hindrance, but it cannot be done with Switzerland (as Hitler did with the Belgian forts in 1940m). There, bringing the whole country to combat readiness will occur sooner than the Russian Federation gets an order for strategic nuclear forces alone.
    ....
    Insufficient power does not always pierce even the mask of such a gun, which can not be heavy because it must ride.
    It will end forever with a close nuclear explosion, and so the doors open, a new barrel with a mask opens and is put on the carriage. And the doors are closing. And please try to get yourself being in a lightly armored shed with a volume of one and a half-story house, into the square of a soccer ball on a new one.
    They thought up the trench for good reason.
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    Every Russian is military.
    If the Chinese army crosses the Amur, it will greatly increase the chances of Chinese civilization to disappear. Fortunately, given the close living along the coast, many warheads are not needed.
    With Switzerland, everything will pass quickly due to the small size of the country. The Swiss will go to work as citizens of a free country, and to return from work as citizens of an occupied country. Because, as long as they run home from work to get arms, until later they run to assembly points, until they form units, receive equipment, heavy weapons and ammunition, the columns of the invaders will already occupy all major cities. An army is not a herd of automatic rifles.
    While you are putting a new barrel, a man with a flamethrower comes up and makes a shot in the hole from the barrel. Or throws a grenade. If not enough, a group of sappers mine the house and the "heroes of bacon"!
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    Yeah, and the rest of the fort bunkers are silent at this time?
    Because of the fortifications, it was not like Switzerland - even with plain Belgium it did not work out quickly.
    Not every Russian is a soldier, and there are very few Russians left, and those unarmed who served and will go to defend Abramovich (although he already has an armed private security company with a flashing light) will be taken prisoner or covered with military commissariats, not even at military units where pyramids with weapons from which a foreigner has a key.
    Do not worry about China, they will move to Russia .. lol they’ll go after that. Their illegal gardeners are already in the Far East more than local ones. It is enough to scatter the counter with weapons and they are in the ladies. then they will raise the problem of 68 villages, take back the coastal area, or even wring everything out to Lena without any formalities.
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    Set of stamps. In addition to the liberal press, are you still reading something, or at least watching?
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    ask the locals.
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    rifled saiga is by the way not AK at all - another barrel quality, survivability, accuracy, weakened cartridge
    When redistributed into a submachine gun or firing combat, it will break immediately or much faster than the Chinese Kalash.
    For the presence of not even military or even sniper, but service cartridges (in turn, one and a half to two times weaker and worse in ballistic qualities than combat cartridges), even if you inadvertently give up on someone on a hunt or at a shooting range, you will be swayed ..
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    They will turn you up - and you do not steal!
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    I got it.
  • nerd.su April 3 2014 09: 47 New
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    What, in American intelligence there is no guardhouse?
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    Kassandra April 3 2014 14: 16 New
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    and Russia is sent to Sheremetyevo.
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    Kassandra April 3 2014 15: 29 New
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    PS. I mean, the guardhouse is there, you know.
  • nerd.su April 3 2014 17: 09 New
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    humor appreciated laughing
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    Kassandra April 1 2014 19: 54 New
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    Undecided, professional interest (PGW).
    1. krechet-1978 April 1 2014 23: 01 New
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      As Stanislavsky said - "I do not believe it!" )))))))))))
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        Kassandra April 2 2014 02: 09 New
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        not Depardieu.
        there were “smart heads” who had plans to partly force their way into southern France through the Swiss plateau (as the Germans did in both world wars through Belgium) - they were quickly persuaded not to do this. just partly taking him on an excursion or part showing film and photo materials.
  • krechet-1978 31 March 2014 17: 00 New
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    By the way, looking at the map of Switzerland, I thought that it should be called in the likeness of one of the provinces of Afghanistan - Helmand. The Swiss plateau is 300 km long and 50 km wide and Helmand is the whole life along the river of the same name, the branches of which are constantly changing, wag like a worm (hence the name - Helminth - a parasitic worm, worm). So, Switzerland calls itself - Helvetia. For the same reason, the country code CH (Latin Confoederatio Helvetica, Swiss Confederation) was chosen. That's right - Helmand and Switzerland - two parasites - in the first they grow almost all opium poppy, and in the second they wash dirty money.
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      Kassandra 31 March 2014 17: 15 New
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      in Switzerland, in fact, a lot of things are produced except cheese, pharmacy and chocolate.
      Liechtenstein alone is 3/4 of the entire EU electronic industry for aerospace.
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        Ruskiye 31 March 2014 17: 44 New
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        They have a pharmacy and base companies ogogo and keep a good budget. what Novartis is only worth.
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          Kassandra April 1 2014 20: 12 New
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          Well, Oerlikon is a well-known company, Swiss watches, and on electronics, especially built-in and protected, you get tired of listing.
          "Seasonal workers" are very common there, when they are engaged in agriculture in the summer and programming in the winter, for example. Both that and another certainly professionally, and not just in order to live from a bed.
          Oddly enough, there is agritourism from tourism, when you can come to them and work for a week to learn how to peasant in a traditional farm.
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      postman 31 March 2014 17: 27 New
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      Quote: krechet-1978
      and in the second they launder dirty money.

      1. "Money doesn’t smell", as you know, and it is not the concern of the Swiss, let the governments of the USA and Germany strain.
      BUT! it was, but now it’s not so, they bent
      2. Have you tried "laundering"? In Switzerland!
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        Kassandra 31 March 2014 17: 57 New
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        sadness that bent. I don’t trust these Cypriot banks anymore ...
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          postman 31 March 2014 18: 44 New
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          Quote: Kassandra
          sadness that bent.

          while only the USA and Germany, we are not concerned ... fellow
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          I don’t trust these Cyprus banks anymore ..

          in Cypriot and Dmitry Anatolich agree the same.
          True, Switzerland is not Cyprus, there, in addition to banks and resorts, MUCH many
          the production of turbines, electric motors, marine engines, high-precision machine tools, electronic and measuring equipment, watches and the chemical industry (production of dyes, fertilizers, drugs and other things).

          More than 85% of products are exported, and for most companies in a number of sub-sectors, the share of export deliveries in the total volume of production reaches 95-99%.
          And they keep the money there, because: Formally, the last time Switzerland took part in the Battle of Leipzig (Völkerschlacht bei Leipzig), October 16-19, 1813
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            Kassandra 31 March 2014 18: 57 New
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            yes, no, it's me that here on the Swiss banks after the story with Cyprus someone still has enough enthusiasm to roll the barrel :-)))
            Well, forget about how people in the Russian Federation left for restructuring people without savings naturally, too, is not worth it.
            a year earlier, too, was the case:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beresinalied
  • Ruskiye
    Ruskiye 31 March 2014 17: 41 New
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    Well done. They calculated that it is more profitable to make bankers out of pilots. If necessary, they will hire more.
  • alone 31 March 2014 17: 58 New
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    )) Switzerland is generally an exception in many respects. The armed forces are no exception. The only country that can fully mobilize a millionth army in 24 hours. Moreover, reservists undergo training every 1-2 months, improve their knowledge and skills. The Swiss Army is equipped with the latest types of equipment and weapons , and are rightfully considered one of the best armies in Europe. The country's topography plays a special role. Almost the entire army is an army of professional mountain shooters
    1. krechet-1978 31 March 2014 18: 07 New
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      They are telling this to themselves, right?
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        Kassandra 31 March 2014 18: 38 New
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        you can see it all on youtube and read it on wikipedia
        there the population has light guns in garages, and in the shooting ranges for ammunition and for shells the government bothers, and there is no limit on the rifle.
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    dmitrij.blyuz 31 March 2014 18: 26 New
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    Guys. Chchat them. There is ours. "Only old men go to battle."
  • nik6006 31 March 2014 18: 32 New
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    The article is interesting and cool photos.
    It is a pity that the Swiss relaxed, and the Americans feel masters in the skies of Europe.
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      Kassandra 31 March 2014 19: 00 New
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      Switzerland 15 years ago, just as closed its airspace during the bombing of Yugoslavia, flying tomahawks strayed. This introduced certain inconveniences, since the B-52s taking off from bases in England were unloaded by them over Germany.
  • Signaller 31 March 2014 22: 11 New
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    Yes, not one with the country in which his grandmother will not lie. This is nonsense. For this country, yes, but against, it's from the realm of fiction.
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      Kassandra 31 March 2014 22: 32 New
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      So not only his hats are there, so what would they not have all of them?
      In addition to the fact that Switzerland is conveniently protected and fully armed, there was and still is such a thing as the Red Cross, on which too much is contemplated. And by the way, it’s not international but Swiss :-) it was then added there for a little more crescent etc. Both the civilian population in each country and the prisoners of war depended heavily on it. Therefore, it was not worth shooting at the doctor, who, moreover, could painfully give back.
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      who 20 June 2014 01: 23 New
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      I correctly understood you that the best way to protect against robbery is to tell everyone that you have a lot of gold stored in your home?
  • Rubon April 1 2014 04: 15 New
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    All this bullshit, Switzerland and the Swiss army along with it, if the Germans had to, would calm them down in a week ... where the landing was needed, where the mountain rangers were needed, the main bridges and cities would be controlled and the local snipers would be left to starve at the tops Alps! The question is that tries .... this Switzerland, like Sweden, needed Reich to occupy it ?! She was needed, not occupied, with working banks and working embassies of Western countries, through her, the National Socialists and shitty demons of all stripes made gesheft among themselves! How many secrets are kept in the cells of Swiss banks, one devil knows! And from a geopolitical, strategic, even tactical point, she tries ... no one was building up! And their passes Suvorov already passed with battles and with victories!
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      Kassandra April 1 2014 18: 44 New
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      The landing party and the ranger with naked guns would simply be shot, and shot, from shelters as in a shooting gallery.
      Her occupation would provide an opportunity for a much shorter connection with the Mediterranean, and access to its industry.
      US gesheft with Germany did through Spain. The Swiss Red Cross worked all the way through Switzerland, through which the Allies sent food parcels to their prisoners of war. But for some reason American kayaks were not sent to their relatives in concentration camps. And those there were starving to death.
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        who 20 June 2014 01: 25 New
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        btw, here’s a good fantastic but realistic story
        http://automaticballpoint.com/2010/03/18/operation-tannenbaum-part-i/
  • Eugene April 1 2014 11: 55 New
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    Good day to all!
    Here is their fighter at the exhibition part of MAKS-2013.
  • Zymran April 1 2014 12: 42 New
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    Thanks for the article, dear Oleg. I always read them with interest, although I do not always agree with them.
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    52 April 2 2014 18: 45 New
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    Well, Friends, and pleased, and learned a lot of new things, and amused about the hypothetical military operations in the country of banks. A new idea: a certain state needs titi-mitity for gas and the army is fluttering, while the state known in this discussion has global reserves of bank deposits and, as it were, people's police. Give a stream of consciousness, money to the needy .. squadrons of equestrian divers .. formidable generalissimo ..
    1. Kassandra
      Kassandra April 2 2014 18: 59 New
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      about the banks there Postman March 31, 2014 18:44 wrote well ...
      Nothing hypothetical - careful and very costly cracking of the flat part from 2 months to six months and from 3 to 5 years in the mountains. Everything is pitted in the rock.
      This is not Monte Carlo.
      And then it turns out that the tunnels are blown up, and the money transferred to offshore. And the Swiss Red Cross will already help someone.