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The black myth of the "bloody executioner" Beria

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The black myth of the "bloody executioner" Beria 115 years ago, 17 (29) March 1899, born Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria. The future Stalinist people's commissar was born in the village of Merheuli of the Sukhum district of the Kutaisi province in a poor peasant family. Lawrence had good abilities and graduated from the Sukhum primary school. In 1919, he graduated from the Baku Secondary Mechanical and Technical Construction School, receiving a diploma of a builder-architect. While studying he worked, it was necessary to support his mother and sister. He was a tutor, worked as a trainee in the Nobel oil company. He began studying at the Baku Polytechnic Institute, but did not complete the course. He became a member of the RSDLP (b) and entered the path of a revolutionary.


In 1917, as part of an army technical unit, he traveled to the Romanian front, served in Odessa, then in Pascani (Romania). He was treated for illness. He continued to work in the Bolshevik organization. After the defeat of the Baku commune and the seizure of Baku by Turkish troops, he was an underground worker. In 1919-1920 He worked in the counter-intelligence of the Musavatists in the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic, passing the information received to the headquarters of the Red Army in Tsaritsyn. At the same time, Lavrenty Pavlovich led the illegal communist organization of technicians.

After the restoration of Soviet power in Baku, he was sent for illegal work in the Georgian Democratic Republic. He was supposed to prepare an uprising against the Menshevik government, but was arrested. He was sent from Georgia. In 1921 - 1931 Beria held senior positions in the state security organs in Transcaucasia. During his service in the Cheka-GPU in Georgia and Transcaucasia, Lavrenty Pavlovich did considerable work to defeat the Dashnaks, Musavatists, Trotskyists, Social Revolutionaries, Mensheviks and agents of foreign intelligence services. In addition, after the collapse of the Russian empire and during the Civil War, banditry broke into Georgia and Transcaucasia. Peasants cultivated the land with a rifle on their shoulders, so it was dangerous to live and work at that time. In addition, robbers like the Kurdish mountaineers regularly made raids from abroad. The state security bodies put things in order in the region, by the 1930 years the border was closed. This was the merit of Beria. For the successful struggle against counterrevolution and banditry in 1923, he was awarded the Order of the Battle Red Banner of the Georgian Republic, and in 1924, he was awarded the Order of the Red Banner of the USSR.

Beria showed himself perfectly, at the end of 1920's - 1938's. occupying a number of top party positions in the Caucasus. Under the leadership of L. P. Beria, the economy of the region developed rapidly. Beria was a true technocrat. He made a great contribution to the development of the oil industry in Transcaucasia, with him opened many large enterprises. In 1938, almost half of the black gold production was given by new production. Significant success was observed in the metallurgy, coal and manganese industries.

In Georgia, a great health work was done, in particular, in draining the swamps, turning it into an all-Union resort area. Agriculture developed at a good pace. Drainage of swamps has expanded agricultural areas. The Transcaucasus has turned into a zone for growing unique subtropical crops for the Soviet Union. The now famous mandarins in the gardens of Abkhazia, appeared precisely in the years of Beria’s leadership. Where previously they grew only grain and vegetables, they created citrus orchards. In Transcaucasia, tea, citrus fruits, grapes, and rare industrial crops were grown. This made it possible to seriously raise the standard of living of the peasantry. For example, during the Great Patriotic War, when the Russian regions were starving (especially under the invaders) or half-starving, there was no food shortage in the South Caucasus. In addition, the development of social infrastructure, construction, etc.

In 1931, the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) announced gross political mistakes and perversions that were made by the party leadership of Transcaucasia. Among the leading cadres, both in the Transcaucasus and in the republics, there were elements of “atamanism” - an unprincipled struggle for power. The tribal system had deep roots in the region and led to the creation of socialism with “Caucasian specifics”, when personal, narrow group and clan interests were put above national and public ones. In November 1931 of the year Beria was appointed first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (Bolsheviks) of Georgia, and in October 1932 of the year - the first secretary of the Transcaucasian Regional Committee, while maintaining his previous position. Lavrenty Pavlovich “cleansed” the Transcaucasian party organization, the “perversions of party policy” were corrected. The appetites and ambitions of the local “khans and princes” were shortened. By this, Beria earned the good memory of ordinary people and the hatred of the local “nobility” with party tickets.

At the same time, he showed a “human” style of leadership, a life that sharply distinguished Lawrence (and Joseph Stalin) from other leaders. Lavrentiy Pavlovich led a simple life, was a silly person, while he was a friendly owner. So, after his murder, in fact, there was nothing to confiscate from the “agent of foreign intelligence services and the traitor”. A high party leader could be seen playing football with the boys. In the mornings, he turned in the yard "sun" on the bar. He was a well-educated, cultured person. In his characteristics they wrote - “intellectual” (in the good sense of the word). In Georgia, people saw everything, so the common people treated Beria well.

Lawrence went a long way - from a poor young man to the "father of the Soviet atomic bomb," a man who is called the second great man after Joseph Stalin and the "best manager" of the 20th century. For the enemies of the Stalinist project, Beria became the devil incarnate, the demon responsible for the bloody terror. After the murder of Beria, many labels and accusations were hung on him, creating a demonic image of a bloody executioner, conspirator and even a sex maniac. However, with close study of this truly great figure in stories of our Fatherland, it becomes clear that Lawrence Beria was not a traitor and executioner. He, like Joseph Stalin, was a creator, a statesman and a very effective manager.

Dirty speculation about Beria, and about Stalin were composed in the days of Khrushchev, who became the destroyer of the Stalinist project. The path outlined by Stalin was supposed to turn the Soviet Union into an inaccessible world leader and give mankind the opportunity to go on the rails of a different being — a transition to a society of creation and service. Khrushchev curtailed this project, turning the USSR onto the dead-end path of “peaceful coexistence” with the West and abandoning a number of breakthrough programs that were supposed to lead to the exit of humanity into near space and the humanitarian revolution, the creation of humanity not slaves and consumers, but humanity creators and creators. Therefore, Stalin and Beria "hanged all the dogs." Tried to turn great people into monsters, white was declared black.

The myth of the "executioner of Stalin"

The accusation that Beria was the main executioner of the Stalinist regime, organized the "great purge" of 1937, became generally accepted. However, this is a clear mistake or a conscious lie. Lavrenty Pavlovich, did not have and could not have anything to do with the organization of repressions of 1936-1937, since he worked in Transcaucasia until 1938. When they decided to conduct repressions, Beria was at that time in party work in the South Caucasus. In addition, we should not forget that Beria won the right to vote in the Politburo only in the 1946 year, and before that, from the 1939 year, he was only a candidate. As a result, Beria could participate in determining the country's political course only from 1946. Beria simply could not be the organizer of repression.

Nor was he an "executioner." Heinrich Yagoda (head of the NKVD in 1934-1936) and Nikolai Yezhov (Commissar of the Interior in 1936-1938) were responsible for the terror. Beria was appointed Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR in November 1938. Stalin appointed Beria in the NKVD to stop the flywheel of repression, to cross the decomposition of the structure ensuring state security. Hidden Trotskyists Yagoda and Yezhov and their accomplices, in the course of the struggle against the “fifth column”, launched a blow at the innocent to cause social discontent and create conditions for a coup d'état. In addition, Yezhov suppressed the independence of intelligence and counterintelligence, concentrated in his hands enormous power and felt like a "god." Yezhov was reborn, became dangerous for society and the Soviet government.

With the advent of Lavrentiy Pavlovich to the post of the head of the NKVD, the scale of repression sharply decreased. So, in 1939 year, on charges of counterrevolutionary crimes were sentenced to death penalty 2,6 thousand people, and for 1940 year - 1,6 thousand people. Moreover, Beria did a great job of checking those arrested in the 1939-1940 years. The overwhelming majority of those who had not been convicted in 1937-1938 were released. They also conducted large-scale amnesties for those already convicted and sent to camps. At the same time, work was carried out to eliminate the leaders of the Trotskyists, who organized mass repressions. In particular, Yagoda and Yezhov were convicted and executed. An operation was organized to destroy Trotsky. The ideological leader of the "fifth column" and the possible leader of the "Soviet government in exile" was eliminated. As a result, Beria restored the “socialist legality” in the USSR and destroyed most of the “fifth column”, which helped win the Second World War.

We must not forget the other contribution of Lavrentiy Pavlovich to the common victory. Beria from November 1938 to February 1941, led the foreign intelligence service of the USSR. In a very short time, the People's Commissar ceased the Yezhov's lawlessness and terror that prevailed in foreign intelligence. Military intelligence and the army. Under his authority in 1939-1940. an excellent agent network of Soviet foreign intelligence was established in Western Europe, the United States and Japan. She helped to win the Great Patriotic War and helped in the development of the Soviet atomic project.

Years of War

During the Great Patriotic War, he continued to lead the NKVD, as deputy chairman of the Council of People's Commissars, oversaw the work of the NKVD, NKGB, the people's commissariats of the forest and oil industries, non-ferrous metals and river fleet. As a member of the State Defense Committee (GKO), he controlled the decisions of the Committee for the production of aircraft, engines, weapons, and the work of the Air Force. Additionally controlled the work of the People's Commissariat of the coal industry and the People's Commissariat of Railways. In 1944, Lavrenty Pavlovich was appointed deputy chairman of the GKO and chairman of the Operations Bureau. The operations bureau supervised the work of key industries - the military-industrial complex, railway and water transport, metallurgy, energy, the oil and chemical industries, etc. In 1943, the merits of Lavrenty Pavlovich were awarded the title Hero of Socialist Labor.

Beria was one of the leaders of the evacuation of the industry of the USSR, he was a member of the Council for Evacuation of the USSR SNK. The Soviet leadership then conducted a unique operation to evacuate industrial enterprises, the population of cultural and scientific institutions, and strategic reserves from the threatened zone to the eastern regions of the country. This made it possible to preserve the main economic base and industrial potential of the state, becoming one of the key factors that ensured victory in the Great War. Lavrenty Pavlovich became one of the main leaders who organized the work of the rear, forged the Soviet victory. The precise work of the military-industrial complex of the USSR is the merit of Beria.

We should not forget the feat of the border troops, which were part of the NKVD. Many of the heroes of the Brest Fortress and other defense units, which at the very beginning of the war showed the Nazis that there would be no easy walk through Russia, were NKVD fighters. When the Wehrmacht struck the Soviet Union in the morning of June 22 1941, the first and most terrible German breast strike was met by border guards. The German command planned to sweep the frontier posts for half an hour, and they fought for hours, days and weeks. In some places they even counterattacked, attacked and captured bridgeheads in enemy territory. Border guards, scouts, counterintelligence, special forces and Smerzhevists made a huge contribution to the overall victory. And for the excellent work of these units see the role of Beria. No wonder that in 1945, Beria became the marshal of the Soviet Union.

In fact, it was the war that made Beria the second person in the USSR. At a critical time, his talents were especially in demand. Lavrenty Pavlovich was really "the best manager of the century." He oversaw all key areas - from state security to industry and breakthrough research projects. It was Beria who became the "father of the atomic bomb." Lawrence Pavlovich organized the nuclear industry from scratch. Thanks to his energy, analytical mind, brilliant scientists and talented managers were selected, who in the shortest possible time did what they considered impossible in the West: they presented a powerful nuclear shield to the Soviet people. Thanks to which we can still live in security, and NATO leaders have been biting their elbows for decades, from not being able to bomb us into the Stone Age. Again, external intelligence superbly worked, whose activities were controlled by Beria.

It was Beria who, simultaneously with the atomic project, which presented the USSR with a lot of useful technologies of peaceful importance, became the organizer of several research projects, the design bureau for the design of ballistic and anti-aircraft missiles. This allowed the USSR to become a leader in the field of space and rocket technologies. Create an air defense system at a time when military strategists in the West made plans to destroy the Soviet Union.

To be continued ...
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  1. Gordarik
    Gordarik 29 March 2014 08: 29
    93
    It’s a good article and it’s very unfortunate that as a result of the events of 1953, the Nikitka pea clown erupted to power. For the USSR, the coming to power of L.P. Beria.
    1. radio operator
      radio operator 29 March 2014 10: 38
      14
      Beria is a very bright personality!
      Another important detail: those people who worked for Beria were protected from any troubles.
      There is a recollection of a participant in one of the solemn events who witnessed how Denis Trofimovich Lysenko, in front of high witnesses, was called "a charlatan from science." The "offenders" of the People's Academician were the nuclear physicists who worked for Kurchatov, under the roof of Lavrenty Pavlovich.
      1. radio operator
        radio operator 29 March 2014 12: 40
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        And here is the statement of Zaznobin V.N. about Beria, completely coinciding with the point of view of Alexander Samsonov. There, the author compares the fate of Beria with the fate of Paul I, who was also overthrown and drenched in liberal dirt (talk about Beria with 22 minutes 14 seconds):
    2. T-73
      T-73 29 March 2014 16: 12
      +7
      Quote: Gordarik
      For the USSR, the coming to power of L.P. Beria

      The opinion is controversial, of course. But reading those personalities who were "in power", especially our "peyssaty" comrades (which has not changed much now - and how can they?) Then yes. Effective manager, no quotes. Khrushchev - another (lower) level
    3. waisson
      waisson 29 March 2014 20: 40
      +3
      a person who had a higher education everyone talks about him only bad and for some reason they don’t remember the good
    4. Dezzed
      Dezzed 29 March 2014 22: 53
      31 th
      Yes. Lavrenty Pavlovich was darling ...
      1. stoker
        stoker 30 March 2014 13: 18
        +6
        Well, in general, yes. Compared with Trotsky, Sverdlov, Countrywoman and the like
    5. stoker
      stoker 30 March 2014 12: 16
      +9
      After the Great Patriotic War, the country's leadership, for sure, had a variety of people - from geniuses to villains. The one who was definitely not there was the "pea clowns". Stalin's personnel policy. The slogan "Beria - to power" does not seem well-reasoned.
      But
      The Soviet Union is the only country where the Abwehr has not created a permanent agent network.

      After 1942 the Germans were unable to open any of our strategic operations
      People from Washington to Tokyo considered it their duty to work for Soviet intelligence. And in most cases - for free.

      He created and oversaw administrative structures, which in the conditions of a devastated country, carried out scientific and military-technical breakthroughs in key areas.

      Methods? Perhaps there were simply no others then. It was necessary to do business.
      1. Dezzed
        Dezzed 30 March 2014 18: 46
        -1
        "The Soviet Union is the only country where the Abwehr did not create a permanent agent network."

        The NKVD was engaged in counterintelligence only in the army.
    6. Alekseev
      Alekseev 30 March 2014 13: 58
      +4
      Quote: Gordarik
      For the USSR, the coming to power of L.P. Beria.

      Attempts to denigrate or whitewash Beria have been made more than once in recent times.
      In my opinion, of course, only a personal opinion is his personality from the height of the past years, in full view.
      He was a typical representative of his time, by no means a seasoned sadist, but also not a genius and "every good wisher" who lived and died within the framework of the system that he faithfully served.
      The letters that Beria wrote while in custody are indicative. The impression is that they are repeating the letters of Bukharin, Uborevich and other "ardent" Bolsheviks, who turned out to be "enemies of the people" somewhat earlier ...
      1. Gordarik
        Gordarik 30 March 2014 20: 12
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        Quote: Alekseev
        ... The letters that Beria wrote while in custody are indicative. The impression is that they are repeating the letters of Bukharin, Uborevich and other "ardent" Bolsheviks, who turned out to be "enemies of the people" somewhat earlier ...

        And you try to compare the letters, allegedly written by Beria, in conclusion (style), with earlier letters of Beria ... Perhaps for you everything will become not so obvious ...
        1. Aptimist
          Aptimist April 2 2014 16: 49
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          Allegedly ??? Well, if you so approach facts, history, then of course your point of view will prevail! laughing
          1. Gordarik
            Gordarik April 6 2014 17: 28
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            In vain you laugh, those letters that, allegedlyBeria wrote in conclusion very very different from those written by him earlier (both official and unofficial). As if the letters were written by different people ... if we exclude the option of forged (fake) letters from the conclusion, then it remains only to come to the conclusion that L.P. Beria, which I refuse to believe for a number of reasons.
      2. alleksSalut4507
        alleksSalut4507 April 1 2014 23: 54
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        or maybe not arrested then?
    7. valerei
      valerei 30 March 2014 15: 49
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      Quote: Gordarik
      For the USSR, the coming to power of L.P. Beria.

      And first - Yagody, and then - Yezhova, etc. What? Has rehabilitation already started in the minds of the population of criminals and murderers? Before publishing this article - a panegyric, archival documents about Beria's activities should also be cited, so for balance. I understand that all the top leaders of the USSR at THAT TIME were largely guided by the instinct of self-preservation and preferred to kill their people, so as not to end up at the wall or in the camp themselves. But to write about Beria that he is clean is, at the very least, illiterate. We, in many ways, now judge that time and actions - from a modern point of view and, in particular, from similar articles, not attaching importance to the fact that in each such article the PERSONAL opinion of the author is presented and nothing more. And I want to ask bloggers: Would you, personally, like to get under Beria's "steam rink" and personally walk the path through the camps and "sharashkas" that millions of our people have passed? The answer, it seems to me, will be predictable. And the last thing: In my family and my wife's family, no one was repressed, but since childhood, I felt this atmosphere from my neighbors, a kind of "smog": Shhh ...
      1. Gordarik
        Gordarik 30 March 2014 20: 17
        +3
        Have you personally studied that period of time in general and the NKVD archives in particular? If so, can you submit references to Beria’s crimes, with a sufficient and reasonable evidence base? ...
      2. CALL.
        CALL. April 1 2014 02: 54
        +1
        Quote: valerei
        You, personally, would like to get under Beria's "steam rink" and personally walk the path through the camps and "sharashkas" that millions of our people have passed? The answer, it seems to me, will be predictable.

        Documents about Beria are most investigated. Have you tried reading books written by honest historians?
        Read this one. Many facts and excellent analysis: http://bookz.ru/authors/muhin-urii/ubiistvo_675/1-ubiistvo_675.html
        There is also about the "trial" over Beria
      3. alleksSalut4507
        alleksSalut4507 April 2 2014 00: 07
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        Of course, it's terrible to be under the skating rink, both then and now. But then, not "democracy", but now - "democracy", or everything, as before, on a mammoth with a reversal? or - "be able to bite like a squirrel ... when -wheel.."? or - glass on the mustache?
      4. Aptimist
        Aptimist April 2 2014 16: 52
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        I noted that - compared with last year, quite a few fresh, adequate people appeared on this forum !!!
        And then I began to worry about the power !!! where do we go before? If you dream so much back ???
    8. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 31 March 2014 14: 26
      +3
      Right now, you don’t understand what would be better, but the fact that Nikita is all the prosra is a fact, if I would dig into the secret archives and try to compose a picture of what happened on my own, Beria’s son wrote an interesting book about his father.
      1. kursk-444
        kursk-444 April 2 2014 18: 13
        0
        But Khrushchev actively moved the rocket theme ...
    9. Baloo
      Baloo 31 March 2014 22: 52
      +3
      June 21, 1941 to I.V. STALIN.

      I again insist on the recall and punishment of our ambassador in Berlin, Dekanozov, who continues to bombard me with "disinformation" about Hitler's allegedly preparing an attack on the USSR. He said the attack would start tomorrow. Major General V. I. Tupikov, military attaché in Berlin, radioed the same. This stupid general claims that three groups of the Wehrmacht armies will attack Moscow, Leningrad and Kiev, citing Berlin agents.

      L.P. BERIA.


      And what do we generally know about our scouts, who, on the orders of Beria, were recalled before the war, during the war, after the war? Many of them died not in the camps, but in freedom?
      It is clear that the reports of the "Lyceist" were more suited to the thought of the leader that in 1941 the Germans would not attack. He wanted so much, he took other points of view as a provocation, but:
      47 times the exact date of the attack on the USSR was reported!
      1. Kassandra
        Kassandra April 2 2014 09: 22
        +1
        In 1941, did the Red Army, too, didn’t concentrate in the western districts in the summer too?
    10. VeteranS
      VeteranS April 1 2014 22: 24
      +1
      Not just a jester of Nikita came to power, but also an ardent atheist, it was under him that new persecutions of the church, primarily Orthodoxy, began .... Khrushchev decided to build paradise on earth without God, dooming our agriculture to extinction ... Without saying what harm he brought to Russia with his illegal decision to transfer Crimea to Ukraine ... But God is his judge.
      Crimea is now forever, and forever and ever Russian!
      God save Russia and Holy Russia!
    11. acute
      acute April 2 2014 12: 20
      0
      No need to idealize Beria. A lot was apparently good and bad. I can’t judge what is more. I know one power corrupts
      1. Kassandra
        Kassandra April 2 2014 13: 10
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        much more good
        corrupts not power but irresponsibility
    12. Aptimist
      Aptimist April 2 2014 16: 46
      0
      And what would it be useful for ???
    13. Aptimist
      Aptimist April 2 2014 16: 46
      0
      And what would it be useful for ???
    14. SS68SS
      SS68SS April 3 2014 19: 09
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      Everyone was afraid of Beria, and therefore eliminated, dumping all the repression and the cult on him ...
    15. SS68SS
      SS68SS April 3 2014 19: 09
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      Everyone was afraid of Beria, and therefore eliminated, dumping all the repression and the cult on him ...
  2. omsbon
    omsbon 29 March 2014 08: 30
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    The truth about L.P. Beria, lies somewhere in the middle, between black and white!
    The man is ambiguous, but what is absolutely certain - "The best manager of the century!"
    1. thrower
      thrower 29 March 2014 09: 13
      53
      Sorry, but you are wrong.

      The truth about L.P. Beria, lies somewhere in the middle, between black and white!


      All this "in the middle" comes from the streams of mud poured out on this undoubtedly Great Man.
      When you start looking at those who blamed him for everything, you see the solid faces of liberals, such as Svanidze and other evil spirits.

      We can take and feel the achievements of L.P. Beria - tea and citrus fruits in Transcaucasia (drainage of the Colchis Lowland), the presence of a nuclear shield over our Motherland, oil production in the Caspian from offshore platforms, an organized guerrilla movement operating through a single center (the legendary Separate Motorized Rifle NKVD Special Purpose Brigade (Omsbron), and much, much more.

      And if you are in Moscow, look at the "Stalin skyscrapers", there is information that L.P. Beria took an active part in the design of these buildings.
      1. Aptimist
        Aptimist 29 March 2014 17: 20
        36 th
        You do not want to drip a little deeper ??? What sacrifice, strength and price was paid for all this ??? you yourself now shit I guess you won’t go for free !!! If you are forced somewhere, or not asked to work, then you remember your rights. Every penny you think that you are not paid at work. Half an hour you will not linger. On weekends, double pay only work.
        And it’s good to sit and praise like that on the couch. Have you studied the economy of that time? not deeper than the ends. How did the USSR achieve and due to whom successes in one or another narrow area of ​​which it needed? But learn. There are many smart programs, with sensible, reasoned explanations!
        Why don’t you go right now and are not ready to completely sacrifice yourself for Hurray ??? !!!
        1. sled beach
          sled beach 29 March 2014 17: 44
          +4
          As the war begins, let’s go and sacrifice. In the meantime, we’re full of it.
          1. I am
            I am 29 March 2014 21: 42
            +2
            Late in the afternoon, you need to start early, but how do you risk Mr. Vlasov ending.
          2. Sergio Miranda
            Sergio Miranda 30 March 2014 01: 32
            +1
            In the meantime, lie on the stove up belly?
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        3. Vladimir73
          Vladimir73 29 March 2014 19: 38
          +4
          You can shout a lot, but look at the number of victims in the construction of such facilities in the West. At construction sites of this scale, people also died, although they worked there for money and there were no machine gunners on the towers.
          1. parus2nik
            parus2nik 29 March 2014 22: 56
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            In the United States at that time, they were building, but without machine gunners on the towers, but without money, for a stew .. And what similar objects are in the West ..? Railways, they were there without sin, they drove the farmers out of the land, gave them a hand and they built .. Each European power and the USA have their skeletons in the closet, only they try to hide or smooth it, they say look how we are different from the savage USSR ..Something they didn’t condemn Tsar Peter for building St. Petersburg, and the people were killed there .. And the Rogervik penal servitude, the jetties were built to wash them off, and they were built back .. Catherine the Second, closed this mess.
            1. Vladimir73
              Vladimir73 30 March 2014 01: 00
              +2
              What am I talking about. The roads they still have are mostly in places that are harmful to health (no insurance - so what is ceremonial) the prisoners are building.
            2. dustycat
              dustycat April 1 2014 21: 15
              +1
              Quote: parus2nik
              In the USA at that time, they built, but without machine gunners on the towers, but without money, for a stew.


              Yeah...
              In the crisis of 1933, one mile of interstate (interstate) highway cost $ 500-1000 and 5-8 tel.
              Compare with the White Sea Canal?

              Without towers ?!
              Look for photos of those times. The towers with arrows there are more than enough.
              And these are not oil rigs and towers on the skaladas - many of them are mounted to facilitate the transport of trucks and trailers to them on the chassis.

              Recently (last summer) there was a photo exhibition about 1933 in the SGA.
              Under the sold-out 21+.
              Something else you can find from her in the internet.
              Although there is already nothing on YouTube - it was cleaned very carefully.
          2. Kassandra
            Kassandra April 2 2014 09: 33
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            What other money? When Roosevelt worked for food. at the construction site of the Hoover Dam on a blunt, regular ventilation simply died out of poor ventilation. The skyscrapers were built like horror - everyone jumped from the channel to the channel without insurance (this was not the case in the USSR), and every day two or three workers broke down from each.
            And all US citizens, having previously brought down the stock exchange, simply seized gold, like gold coins from circulation. In a "free democratic country" they walked around, searched houses and private property. "Cowboys and aliens" are resting.
            The peoples were simply driven into a world war. Now in the US, too, go to the soldiers because the region.
          3. Aptimist
            Aptimist April 2 2014 16: 42
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            That's it! There are 2 ways to a strong and rich state! Our first ... or rather shovels. Everything is clear there, for the strength and power of the state the people are fully paying. And the second civilized type is the United States. No one sacrifices anything or anyone. a strong rich citizen - a strong state!
            I sincerely hope that we are moving now in this direction, but the facts and eyes say that we again went our own way, only to us guided (or rather, we do not know) the way !!!
        4. I am
          I am 29 March 2014 21: 41
          14
          Shit - you go yourself. And to work for your children and build a GREAT COUNTRY, but always please, one remark, those who don’t shout for free, Ms. as much as you want, but you won’t get your own shit ???? Therefore, the USSR was a GREAT COUNTRY and my homeland !!!! And all sorts of opportunistic bookkeepers of working time, my impression of Comrade Beria and Comrade Stalin is not spoiled. As for the methods, it’s a pity there is no one to use these methods now, the number of talkers and parasites has sharply decreased, and the GDP would have grown !!!!
          1. jamalena
            jamalena 30 March 2014 22: 34
            +1
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          2. Aptimist
            Aptimist April 2 2014 17: 06
            0
            Are you not afraid that you’ll be the first to go to Siberia or some other object that is in dire need of free slave power? And will you raise the well-being of your country there for the supposedly bright future of your children?
            Or are you the first to run with denunciations, whom to send and shoot to?
        5. Saburov
          Saburov 29 March 2014 23: 52
          +7
          If you don’t know, then at construction sites and special facilities, prisoners worked for extra rations, there was no review of the prison term and some savings at the expense of savings banks, there were practically no refuseniks, except with long periods, and the country really lacked workers hands, so own the information, and not watch the transmission, better archives have not yet come up with anything.
          1. pavlo
            pavlo 30 March 2014 01: 05
            +1
            And what about the people’s neck, is it yours to sit them to give out vouchers for enhanced nutrition?
        6. Sergio Miranda
          Sergio Miranda 30 March 2014 01: 28
          +5
          You know, I agree with you on something. Many only talk about how well everything used to be good and smooth. Let's hope that the lost generation of the 90s (lost through our fault) will be replaced by a new generation of the 21st century. Where people will be able to sacrifice, not only "for Hurray for themselves," but consciously - for their Motherland, an idea (which is not yet available), future generations. To do this, you need to plow and sacrifice to us all here and now.
          1. alleksSalut4507
            alleksSalut4507 April 2 2014 00: 37
            +2
            I don’t want to sacrifice anything, but they eat and eat not badly. The copper basin named after the language haaarrrorosho works.
          2. alleksSalut4507
            alleksSalut4507 April 2 2014 00: 40
            -1
            I don’t want to sacrifice for Chubysys, but they eat and eat not badly. The copper basin named after the language works well. And it can be delicious.
        7. Bakht
          Bakht 30 March 2014 11: 02
          +3
          Quote: Aptimist

          Good advice is to "drip deeper". Pack, maybe you will learn something interesting and new.

          http://nstarikov.ru/blog/23233

          How did Vysotsky sing?

          "There was a time and there were cellars,
          It was the case and prices were reduced.
          And the channels flowed where needed
          And in the end, where necessary, they fell. "
        8. stoker
          stoker 30 March 2014 13: 53
          -4
          You are very emotional. All in one heap. I don't want to go deeper. I go to the toilet for free. I'm sitting on a chair. About "smart gears ..." - more details, please. "... completely sacrifice yourself for Hurray ..." I am not ready and do not go (see above), because I did not understand what you said.
        9. Starina_hank
          Starina_hank 30 March 2014 19: 43
          +3
          However, now we are not working for the country of the USSR, but for a "caring" owner. Do not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs!
        10. tolancop
          tolancop 30 March 2014 21: 03
          +6
          It was paid dearly. But to judge the events and motives of the actions of THAT time from the position of the PRESENT is completely incorrect. And is everything known about the real situation of those years - another question.
        11. alleksSalut4507
          alleksSalut4507 April 2 2014 00: 27
          0
          SO WE ARE DIGGING EVERYTHING, WE PIPE CHERVYAKOV. YOU DIDN'T BUILD YOUR "URA". AND WHAT IVAN THE THIRD WILL NOT FIT YOU? AND THAT ALL BALD-EXTREMELY.
        12. Kassandra
          Kassandra April 2 2014 09: 25
          0
          the labor armies were organized by darling-Trotsky; in clever broadcasts, pig-dogs intelligently argue about this?
      2. iConst
        iConst 29 March 2014 20: 46
        16
        Quote: thrower
        All this "in the middle" comes from the streams of mud poured out on this undoubtedly Great Man.

        To say that Beria and Stalin were not involved in the repressions would be wrong.
        In the end, these were key figures.

        But! They were products of their era. Think for yourself - if the same Stalin did not express the "aspirations" of the majority of his entourage, how long would he have held out in office?
        He (Stalin) was a brilliant manager. He skillfully maneuvered in the environment: he cleaned up potential rivals, pushed applicants among themselves, thereby securing his leadership.

        But, with all this, he was a STATE MAN! It is known for certain that neither Stalin nor Beria left behind any values. Nothing!

        And this is the main point! They built POWER. Yes, with blood, yes with errors, but GREAT COUNTRY!

        The same Khrushchev himself personally submitted the "execution" lists to the same Stalin, being the 1st secretary of the Moscow City Committee and the Regional Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks.
        It is reliably known that Stalin himself repeatedly crossed out many names from these lists.
        There is a document, Khrushchev's "third list" on which there is Stalin's resolution "Calm down, fool", after which Khrushchev "relocated" to Ukraine.

        It is very difficult to adequately assess the actions of people of that time from a modern perspective.

        There is only one irrefutable evidence: the Bolsheviks managed to create a powerful state from 17 to 70 of the last century.
        The trouble is that some general secretaries stayed at their posts for too long.
      3. kursk-444
        kursk-444 April 2 2014 18: 20
        0
        The eternal problem of good and evil ...
        And the principle of the monad is eternal - there is white in black, but good in bad.
        And vice versa.
        After a while, much is perceived differently.
        What happened - then we will live and try so that the descendants remember us kindly
    2. anip
      anip 29 March 2014 09: 46
      18
      Quote: omsbon
      The truth about L.P. Beria, lies somewhere in the middle, between black and white!
      The man is ambiguous ...

      On the other hand, in order to raise the country then it was necessary to act tough and so
      Quote: thrower
      When you start looking at those who blamed him for everything, you see the solid faces of liberals, such as Svanidze and other evil spirits.
      then it was certainly not the place. Yes, liberals are still shitting on the country where I live, it’s only a pity that too much is allowed to them.
    3. Nick
      Nick 29 March 2014 11: 55
      +7
      Quote: omsbon
      The truth about L.P. Beria, lies somewhere in the middle, between black and white!

      Where have you seen absolutely "unambiguous"? Only id-iota IMHO are unambiguous ...
    4. INVESTOR
      INVESTOR 29 March 2014 12: 27
      +9
      The question remains why Zhukov G.K. supported Khrushchev and not Beria after the death of Stalin. It is not necessary to think of Zhukov as an unenlightened person.
      1. thrower
        thrower 29 March 2014 13: 10
        +8
        Zhukov did not participate in the coup, and then nothing was decided. They bought him off as minister, and a couple of years later removed from the post in the Urals district
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        2. siberalt
          siberalt 29 March 2014 15: 52
          +6
          Zhukov had a criminal case. He brought too much junk from Germany for himself. Hence the resentment.
        3. INVESTOR
          INVESTOR 29 March 2014 20: 51
          -3
          Zhukov personally arrested Beria with his generals.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 29 March 2014 21: 01
            +2
            I read and read all of you (everything was completely overpowered). So much nonsense has been written! Question personally to you INVESTOR-YOU personally saw how L.P. arrested? About the women, allegedly personally hardened by L.P.-- IT'S just a complete zizdets !!! Where does the data come from? Who said? I don’t even know where to start! In short, have you been healthy here! Let's try to figure it out?
            1. INVESTOR
              INVESTOR 30 March 2014 09: 45
              +3
              After the arrest in the Kremlin, Beria was taken out in Zhukov’s car, the operation was carried out late at night, read the recollections of the participants in the events. Some women were dragged here, the talk is only about the arrest.
          2. Day 11
            Day 11 29 March 2014 22: 05
            +4
            For example, I have other information --- They came to him to take something home. Protection L.P. they weren’t allowed, the battle began --- in this battle L.P. and died.
            1. Aptimist
              Aptimist April 2 2014 16: 55
              0
              Insanity grew stronger !!!! YOU have other information !!!! What kind of X..r are you from the mountain ??? What did you report ??? fool
              You wouldn’t drag your stupid people !!!
              the point is what is there to invent something ??? you are our paranoid.
              1. 26rus
                26rus April 2 2014 23: 08
                0
                Quote: Aptimist
                Insanity grew stronger !!!! YOU have other information !!!! What kind of X..r are you from the mountain ??? What did you report ??? fool
                You wouldn’t drag your stupid people !!!
                the point is what is there to invent something ??? you are our paranoid.

                Before being rude to people, we would study the materiel to begin with ... Such a version of the arrest and death of Beria really exists and is quite well known. The son of Beria, Sergo, also voiced it, based on the stories of witnesses - family, servants, neighbors, as well as his friend Amet-Khan Sultan.
      2. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 29 March 2014 17: 04
        +8
        Quote: INVESTOR
        It is not necessary to think of Zhukov as an unenlightened person.

        From the service characteristics of the regiment commander G.K. Zhukov "K staff work is not capable". Description signed by the division commander K. K. Rokossovsky. Rokossovsky was repressed, and G. K. Rokossovsky.Zhukov met the war as chief of the general staff.
        1. INVESTOR
          INVESTOR 30 March 2014 09: 46
          0
          And won her.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 30 March 2014 10: 02
            +4
            Everything is clear with you. No offense. Zhukov is a bloody marshal who didn’t win ANY battle with his mind. His whole strategy is to stupidly throw the enemy with corpses !!! APPOINTED crap (helped Nikita climb up). For me, the REAL hero is Rokossovsky!
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 30 March 2014 12: 46
              +2
              Quote: Den 11

              No offense. Zhukov, of course, is not an angel. But about Zhukov’s strategy - you’ve clearly got excited. By the way, the mass of documents signed by Zhukov, in which he ordered not to rush into the attack headlong and protect people. The value of these documents is that they were written during the war. The archives have long been opened, and real historians work precisely with documents and not with propaganda slogans.
              For example
              “The failure to fulfill the tasks of the 49th Army, the large losses in personnel are explained by the exclusive personal guilt of the division commanders, who are still grossly violating Comrade Stalin's instructions and the" demand "of the front order on the massing of artillery for a breakthrough, on the tactics and technique of an offensive in the points. For many days, units of the 49th Army have been carrying out criminally frontal attacks on the settlements of Kostino, Ostrozhnoe, Bogdanovo, Potapovo and, suffering huge losses, have no success.
              It should be clear to every elementary military literate person that the above villages represent a very advantageous and warm defensive position. The area in front of the villages is under full shelling, and, despite this, criminally conducted attacks continue at the same place, and as a result of the stupidity and lack of discipline of the unfortunate organizers, people are paid in thousands of lives, without bringing any benefit to the Homeland.

              If you want to be left in your posts, I demand:

              Stop criminal attacks on the forehead of the village;

              Stop forehead attacks at heights with good fire;

              To step only along ravines, forests, and low-fire terrain;


              Break through immediately between the settlements and, not stopping at their final mastery, tomorrow capture Sloboda, Dawn and wedge themselves to Levshin.

              Execution to inform me by 24.00 27.1 "
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 30 March 2014 13: 03
                +3
                Did you read this in "Memories and ..."? That is another source. There, the daughter corrected the "batins" statements (nose in the wind) from the volume and had her own gesheft in a new interpretation with each issue. - I ask you to give the source of the given
                1. Bakht
                  Bakht 30 March 2014 13: 55
                  +2
                  Quote: Den 11

                  No. Not from Memories. Find V. Isaev on the militia. "Zhukov. The King's Last Argument".
            2. Aptimist
              Aptimist April 2 2014 16: 59
              0
              I see you are a forum general is not friends with your head at all. What would be about Zhukov and in such a categorical form to declare - you need !!! to be at least someone yourself ... at least a colonel. And the second is to study well the history of the Second World War and Zhukov!
              And so, you sir, Troll !!!
          2. The point
            The point 31 March 2014 09: 00
            0
            Quote: INVESTOR
            And won her.

            according to ngo memoirs, he won it alone.
    5. Ascetic
      Ascetic 29 March 2014 13: 06
      13
      Quote: omsbon
      "The best manager of the century!"


      Now, few people know, even in Georgia itself, about the so-called. "Georgian economic miracle". Indeed, in 1931. Transcaucasia as a region of the country was an impoverished and hungry outskirts where a terrible rampant banditry reigned, At that time, every peasant worked in a field or garden with a rifle on his shoulders in a literal sense. a third of farms. And Beria makes a brilliant move-stops collectivization in Georgia, probably not without the tacit consent of Stalin, but fact is a fact. He left private traders alone, which significantly reduced social tension and the basis for banditry and separatism. And the collective farms were allowed to plant those crops that were beneficial to them and not plans for bread and corn. From which the collective farms themselves did not profit. They began to breed valuable crops: tea, citrus fruits, tobacco, grapes. And it turned out that large collective farms began to rapidly grow rich. and private traders conducting such a business quickly threw them into collective farms without any coercion and repression. By 1939, without any coercion, 86% of the farms were socialized, that is, in eight years the number of collective farmers tripled.
      in 1930, the area of ​​tangerine plantations was one and a half thousand hectares, in 1940 - 20 thousand. Productivity from one tree increased, in some farms - as much as 20 times.
      Therefore, even now, when many people buy Abkhaz tangerines for the New Year, it is worth remembering with the kind words of Lavrenty Palych, the father of the Georgian "tangerine miracle".
      And now "effective managers" in Georgia, for example, have brought the strain to the point that 50% of the land is not cultivated, and 85% of the production is imported.
      It is a shame that in an agricultural country 85% of production is imported - prime minister
      Or another example
      Last year, Georgia signed an agreement with the EU. And it was in this year that a good harvest of tangerines was harvested there. And ironically, one piece of paper in Europe turned out to be unfilled: the South African citrus quota. Georgia failed to sell its tangerines to Europe. The tangerines rotted, but the EU association remained. They did not have time to fill out the relevant documents, did not raise money to pay European inspectors, and could not find the money for transportation.

      link
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 29 March 2014 13: 07
        22
        In industry, under the leadership of Beria, a real economic miracle also occurred. During the first five-year period, the gross industrial output of Georgia alone increased almost 6 times. For the second five-year period - another 5 times. In the remaining Transcaucasian republics, it was the same. It was under Beria, for example, that the shelves of the Caspian Sea began to be drilled, for which he was accused of wastefulness: why bother with all sorts of nonsense! But now for the Caspian oil and for the routes of its transportation there is a real war between the superpowers.
        It was under Beria that Transcaucasia became the All-Union forge, granary and health resort
        By the level of education, already in 1938, Georgia reached one of the first places in the Union, and by the number of students per thousand souls it surpassed England and Germany.

        during the seven years that Beria was the “chief man” in the Transcaucasus, he rocked the economy of the backward republics so much that until the 90s they were among the richest in the Union.
        that is why Stalin, with his basic principle - "cadres decide everything" simply could not help but entrust Beria with one of the most difficult posts in the country. And in fact he did not lose. the same "sharashki" in which he retained the flower of the scientific intelligentsia and the complete victory over the Abwehr and other special services of Germany during the war can also be credited to him. And the NKVD troops in the first hours of the war, their organization, discipline, courage and heroism? Also the merit of the People's Commissar Beria.
        Therefore, this person is on the list of deceitful Mechina paths, along with Stalin
      2. stoker
        stoker 30 March 2014 15: 25
        -5
        Few people really know about the "Georgian economic miracle". Almost no one. And if it was, then where did it go? And, if you remember "Georgian tea, tobacco and grape wine" (not by nightfall, Lord), then it would be better that Lavrenty Pavlovich had already taken up the atomic problem then.
        By the way, what exactly began to be produced at first 6 times, and then 5 (or vice versa) more and how much was produced.
        As for "Oil Rocks", it is generally from the category "Winter has passed, summer has come. Thanks to the party for that."
    6. Lone gunman
      Lone gunman 29 March 2014 13: 09
      20 th
      Stalin is the best manager of the century, and Beria is just a clerk ...
      1. Lone gunman
        Lone gunman 29 March 2014 14: 55
        19 th
        who is it minus? numerous relatives of Beria? -children of young girls? I understand, he's your "dad".
    7. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 29 March 2014 16: 13
      +5
      The ideal person was only Robinson Crusoe before Friday. It is impossible in society to be good for everyone. Unfortunately, it is not possible to give only gingerbread for a person is eating himself up and in most cases it seems to him that he either receives it too little or simply has to get it for no reason. And at that very moment the whip is applied.
      Knowing and using both of them gives rise to a good leader. The ability to set a Reasonable (Objective) and Achievable Goal using the methods of motivation gives rise to a Great Leader.

      Together, I.V. Stalin and L.P. Beria were able to and did this by creating a clear plan that was feasible in a reasonable amount of time.
      1. alleksSalut4507
        alleksSalut4507 April 2 2014 01: 15
        0
        not-together. there were also "specific comrades" whose names we will never know. they just worked for the Great Country. they believed it would be a Happy Strong Country of Joy ...- as a man named Daniel used to say over the pipe of self-assassination Defoe, in everyday life, a journalist, and out of boredom, an employee of the British intelligence, looking at the nose of a crocodile bitten by him, who was also looking at DD ...
    8. I am
      I am 29 March 2014 21: 38
      +5
      Not a manager. The best MANAGER !!! So it will be more correct !!!! And the managers now are mostly uneducated blockchains with one thought on the percentage of the sale)))))
      1. Lone gunman
        Lone gunman 30 March 2014 11: 51
        -6
        the manager is the manager, before writing about Beria, find out all of you are minusculers who he is, and why he was shot - mediocrity.
    9. stoker
      stoker 30 March 2014 13: 39
      -2
      And why? And what is a "best manager"? If you look around, then this is a very dubious assessment.
  3. svp67
    svp67 29 March 2014 08: 31
    45
    Yes, Beria was not "neither the lamb of God", nor "the devil in the flesh" ... He was - a man of his time, tough, bloody ... An excellent leader, that's about whom we can say "the most effective manager", everything that was entrusted to him , everything was brought to life, even such ARCHI complex projects as nuclear, missile, anti-missile ... everything was successful.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 29 March 2014 09: 18
      17
      Quote: svp67
      Yes, Beria was not "neither the lamb of God," nor "the devil in the flesh" ... He was - a man, of his time, hard, bloody...

      Otherwise, at that time it was impossible. Even in the years 38-41, acts of sabotage were still encountered. And letting it go on the brakes was like death, do not forget that the USSR was preparing for a war that was inevitable. But, all the branches of the HH, where there were difficulties, and which were transferred under the control of Beria, did what the party entrusted to them. Beria made a huge contribution to the Victory of 1945, we must not forget that all the intelligence agents of the foreign intelligence, preserved and newly created, survived only by the efforts of the People's Commissar Beria. I will not repeat about the atomic bomb, everyone knows that. But probably not everyone knows that while our bomb was being created, Beria’s agents rather successfully slowed down the Manhattan project. As for the craving for the female sex, which of us is without sin? hi
    2. Turkir
      Turkir 29 March 2014 13: 07
      +2
      What you wrote agrees with my point of view.
      However, I draw your attention and insist that this "article" is more like a QUESTIONNAIRE.
      Well, just like Semenov’s: "a true Aryan, in connections discrediting him is not noticed."
  4. Igor39
    Igor39 29 March 2014 08: 37
    75 th
    Lawrence was a "good" man, well, you think he loved to fuck little girls, everyone has a weakness.
    1. almost demobil
      almost demobil 29 March 2014 09: 03
      61 th
      Quote: Igor39
      Lawrence was a "good" man, well, you think he loved to fuck little girls, everyone has a weakness.

      Who put the minus probably thinks that this is the norm?
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 29 March 2014 09: 12
        48 th
        He simply did not live under Beria.
        1. vovan1949
          vovan1949 29 March 2014 09: 39
          37
          Tell tales about little girls to your children
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 29 March 2014 13: 23
            20
            Quote: vovan1949
            Tell tales about little girls to your children


            This false "Milchin Way" will tell and show them ... You just need to ask yourself a question and THINK, why namely Beria, and not Yezhov or, say, Yagoda was chosen by the democrats to play the role of a bloodthirsty monster? And then many things will fall into place. All these shitty historical "studies" of the Mlechins, Svanidze and Parfyonovs, despite all their attempts to spoil the country's historical past, have long become a kind of litmus test for any THINKING person and patriot - whom the democrats demonize more, the more good this person has done for his country.
          2. Aptimist
            Aptimist April 2 2014 17: 15
            0
            And you seem to tell your tales about the grandfathers of Lenin, Stalin and Beria ?! How soft and fluffy they were! How, under their strict guidance, their subjects lived well and happily !!!
            Only here is something I strongly doubt that many here would like to live in their times and according to their rules and procedures !!!
            1. Kassandra
              Kassandra April 2 2014 17: 57
              0
              For the most part, old people from Stalin love Stalin. Or is the word elders not a decree?
              Lenin (Blank) was a maniac, avenged his brother. His maman too. Stalin and Beria transferred the maniacs. What are the claims?
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        3. sv68
          sv68 29 March 2014 10: 42
          +5
          Well, tell me dear how you lived under Beria. And we will listen to your pobaska
          1. TiGRoO
            TiGRoO 29 March 2014 11: 55
            0
            Sorry, put the minus ((wanted plus recourse
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          3. siberalt
            siberalt 29 March 2014 16: 10
            +2
            Under Beria there was an iron order. But this is not gibberish.
        4. smile
          smile 29 March 2014 17: 26
          +5
          Igor39
          And you must have lived under Beria? Maybe you went through the musty torture chambers of the executioners? Or are you the little girl who is the victim of a lustful tyrant? :)))
          1. mark7
            mark7 29 March 2014 23: 11
            +3
            Quote: smile
            ? Or are you that little girl

            Yes, no, he just steps in that very same column 5 to plant such many more
      2. Fox
        Fox 29 March 2014 09: 16
        17
        Quote: almost demobilized
        Who put the minus probably thinks that this is the norm?

        who put it, THINK! and this process is unknown to you by definition.
        1. Eugene
          Eugene 29 March 2014 11: 49
          13
          Interesting. A man pulls a missile program. Nuclear. Intelligence. Security. And at the same time some girls ...
          1. zeleznijdorojnik
            zeleznijdorojnik 29 March 2014 15: 18
            +5
            I'm afraid that he just didn’t have time for girls
            1. Kassandra
              Kassandra April 2 2014 09: 54
              0
              This is all written by "boys" and "dogs" ... who were then shot or imprisoned under Art 58-LJ, or for abortion.
        2. almost demobil
          almost demobil 29 March 2014 19: 42
          -3
          Quote: Fox
          who put it, THINK! and this process is unknown to you by definition.

          You see, I just get rude hunting. AND? The question is not for you, but for those who put a minus, why are you climbing? Or looked that there are a lot of minuses, so decided to sway on a wave? You won’t disregard the facts, there are many testimonies of women, and not simple, but famous, some are still alive! And no one has canceled the merits.
          Do you think what you think? Or are you also unaware of this process?
        3. mark7
          mark7 29 March 2014 23: 19
          +6
          Quote: Fox
          Who put the minus probably thinks that this is the norm?

          I am one of those who put a minus and the one who does not believe the Khrushchev slop, mediocrity seized power
      3. Baloo
        Baloo 29 March 2014 10: 11
        +1
        Much time has passed in the archives of the false mixed with the truth. But sexual pleasures and inhuman cruelty will forever remain his true face.
        1. sv68
          sv68 29 March 2014 10: 45
          18
          Please bark the objective evidence of your statement. Or did you hold a candle there?
          1. almost demobil
            almost demobil 29 March 2014 19: 53
            -1
            Quote: Balu
            Much time has passed in the archives of the false mixed with the truth. But sexual pleasures and inhuman cruelty will forever remain his true face.

            Quote: sv68
            Please bark the objective evidence of your statement. Or did you hold a candle there?

            There are a lot of facts, testimonies of the victims, but there are no refutations. Can anyone lead? Well, at least some kind of bespontovye links? At least refute the testimony of actress Okunevskaya. Not sure, but in my opinion she is still alive.
            1. wax
              wax 29 March 2014 23: 15
              +4
              Okunevskaya died in 2002.
              Did Tatyana Okunevskaya have novels with Stalin and Beria?

              This actress, whose star rose in the thirties, created thousands of myths about herself. She called herself the mistress of many political figures of that time. She described in her book how she was raped by Lavrenty Beria, how Stalin wanted her ... But the daughter of the actress Inga Sukhodrev believes that her mother made advertisements in this way.
              http://sobesednik.ru/culture/byli-li-u-tatyany-okunevskoi-romany-so-stalinym-i-b
              eriei
            2. 26rus
              26rus 29 March 2014 23: 41
              +6
              Quote: almost demobilized
              There are a lot of facts, testimonies of the victims, but there are no refutations. Can anyone lead? Well, at least some kind of bespontovye links?

              There are plenty of denials. Try to compare the time when these rape allegedly occurred, with the minutes of the meetings of T-bills, People's Commissariats and other government agencies at which I was present
              Beria. They indicate who was present, who spoke, the start and end times. And it turns out that Beria was simultaneously in the service from morning until late at night and raped dozens of women. And in general, so much has been written on this subject - rewritten ...
              1. Kassandra
                Kassandra April 2 2014 09: 56
                0
                and after Clinton’s Pancake, are they somehow not ashamed to invent all this? :-))))
            3. Starina_hank
              Starina_hank 30 March 2014 20: 03
              -3
              And who now at least theoretically can refute the testimony of actress Okunevskaya?
              1. Kassandra
                Kassandra April 2 2014 09: 59
                0
                boo-ha-ha! Monica Lewinsky ...
                everything is very simple - Beria did not play the saxophone.
        2. avdkrd
          avdkrd 29 March 2014 12: 40
          13
          Quote: Balu
          Much time has passed in the archives of the false mixed with the truth. But sexual pleasures and inhuman cruelty will forever remain his true face.

          At the same time, Beria actually stopped the terror and its organizers were subjected to repressions, he was an excellent family man, he implemented a number of major state programs and lo and behold he had time for "sexual pleasures".
          There is not a single fact even Beria’s flirting with anyone other than his wife. There is a falsified case concocted after his murder. But his deeds speak for him much better.
          1. 26rus
            26rus 29 March 2014 23: 08
            +1
            Quote: avdkrd
            There is not a single fact, even Beria’s flirting with anyone other than his wife

            Not certainly in that way. And this fact was cited by none other than the son of Beria - Sergo Gegechkori in his book about his father. According to him, Beria himself at the family council spoke about a woman with whom he had a relationship, and officially recognized his daughter.
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 29 March 2014 23: 13
              0
              That's what I’m talking about.
          2. Kassandra
            Kassandra April 2 2014 10: 02
            0
            Well, you see - he flirted with his wife ... so to blame! :-) old woman ...
            but seriously, the KGB caught sexual and near-sex maniacs.
        3. smile
          smile 29 March 2014 17: 33
          0
          Baloo
          And there is something to say on business without wringing pathetically little hands? Imagine to us, as a person who is clearly alien, in your language, "sexual pleasures", the information on the basis of which you are here cutting the truth to the womb ... with a blunt knife. :))
          1. wax
            wax 29 March 2014 23: 28
            +2
            You are right, Beria is not Pushkin. They are different. Pushkin created the Russian language, and Beria created Soviet industry.
            Both loved women.
            The crowd eagerly reads confessions, notes, etc., because in their meanness rejoices in the humiliation of the mighty, weaknesses of the mighty. At the discovery of all abomination, she was delighted. He is small as we are, he is vile as we are! You are lying, scoundrels: he is both small and vile - not like you - otherwise.
            A.S. Pushkin. Letter P.A. Vyazemsky
            The second half of November 1825 from Mikhailovsky to Moscow
            Available in the collected works of Pushkin (of course not in the one-volume or three-volume).
        4. I am
          I am 29 March 2014 21: 45
          +5
          Yeah, as well as the achievements that now the whole crowd can not repeat. All the babosy are waiting, and then people just built the GREAT COUNTRY for the sake of their children and grandchildren. We are still eating the heritage of the USSR !!!!
        5. Baloo
          Baloo 30 March 2014 23: 43
          +2
          [i] "In the Azerbaijan SSR, there is one doctor per 490 people. The population of Soviet Azerbaijan is provided with medical care eight and a half times better than the population of Turkey [and this is all despite the war], and 23 times better than the population of Iran. the same concerns the Georgian SSR ... "


          Minus? Your business. The above quote from Beria at the 19th Congress in 1952 about the provision of doctors in the USSR (just read on another thread "Unknown Beria") is complete bullshit. Even now, this is unattainable. And at that time it was completely impossible. And in general, the rest of the quotes bring a smile. Was Stalin poisoned or died of a stroke? One way or another, he was without assistance for more than a day. When Beria arrived after the call from the guards, worried that Stalin had not come out for dinner, he said: Let's not bother Comrade Stalin.
      4. smile
        smile 29 March 2014 17: 23
        +2
        almost demobil
        Well no. So I think that replicating Svinidze-Melechinsky lies is not good. Do you think otherwise? If you are their fan, then I respect your position ... but then you should not worry and be offended by the minuses - this is just a reaction to a lie, nothing more.
      5. I am
        I am 29 March 2014 21: 44
        0
        A squeamish ignorance is the norm ???
      6. Aptimist
        Aptimist April 2 2014 16: 45
        0
        No! here they don’t like the truth !!!
        These local lamas are blind faith and love of tyrants !!!
        It’s like loving a girl. You do not see any flaws in it !!!
        I can not find another explanation!
    2. svp67
      svp67 29 March 2014 09: 10
      15
      Quote: Igor39
      Lawrence was a "good" man, well, you think he loved to fuck little girls, everyone has a weakness.

      Is there any evidence?
      Kalinin - the All-Union headman, was a lover of young ballerinas ... You can pour a "tub of mud ..." on everyone.
      1. saber
        saber 29 March 2014 09: 13
        +8
        they have no evidence. although he had a lover, even lived in the NKVD apartment, it happens ..
      2. thrower
        thrower 29 March 2014 09: 29
        0
        You still read about A. Enukidze, who for a long time was the first person in the party
      3. sled beach
        sled beach 29 March 2014 18: 00
        +1
        Notice how I put it: do not rape and fuck. From what we can conclude that the writer relishes his phrase. The person thinks just scum.
      4. sled beach
        sled beach 29 March 2014 18: 00
        0
        Notice how I put it: do not rape and fuck. From what we can conclude that the writer relishes his phrase. The person thinks just scum.
    3. thrower
      thrower 29 March 2014 09: 24
      45
      You'd be surprised, but sex crimes against L.P. Beria was not even considered at the "trial".
      Do you know why ?

      The military lawyer A. Sukhomlinov, who considered the "Beria Case" and recognized it as a theater of absurdity, drew attention to the following fact - all allegedly raped by L.P. Beria women passed a little earlier as witnesses in the case of the Kremlin commandant, General Vlasik.

      Khrushchev, fabricating the case did not think that anyone would study it.

      And in general, imagine such a situation with Beria (how do you think about it) - Beria walks, sees a pretty woman on the street (according to the testimony of Sarkisov's security guard, Beria's women were delivered from the street, at whom he simply pointed with a finger), she was taken to his mansion, where he rapes her poor thing until the morning (a mansion of 5 rooms, except for his wife, Beria's son and his family lived there, so they probably were surprised at this - two guards drag something wrapped in a blanket around the apartment, which at the same time screams - no kiss without love "). In general, after that, in the morning it turns out that the unfortunate victim was Vlasik's mistress. And so every time. All 80 "victims". The horror is true))
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 29 March 2014 09: 59
        15
        Quote: thrower
        You'd be surprised, but sex crimes against L.P. Beria was not even considered at the "trial".
        Do you know why ?

        Because there was no court as such. L.P. Beria was shot (i.e., a murder was simply committed) before the trial. In hindsight, they fabricated papers from a supposedly closed process.
        1. thrower
          thrower 29 March 2014 10: 03
          +6
          So it was.
        2. Turkir
          Turkir 29 March 2014 11: 11
          11
          Which court? Khrushchev swept out the traces of his far-sighted deeds.
          Beria, naturally, because of his position knew about them.
          Khrushchev removed him as a dangerous WITNESS and with the wrong hands.
      2. Turkir
        Turkir 29 March 2014 12: 32
        +8
        All this gossip, about Beria and the girls, is for dirty linen lovers.
        They have nothing to do with his portrait as a state official who played a role in the history of our state. His main task was to ensure state security and often, like all politicians, he became a hostage of information coming from below.
        I do not feel love for Lenin, he is not an idol for me, but I remember his two aphorisms: "All people make mistakes, but only du.rak irreparable" and "High professionalism leads to idiocy."
        Therefore, a good politician or administrator always creates a team of professionals around him. By the way, Stalin, during the war, was able to create such a team. For me, Zhukov is a leader, i.e. a person taking responsibility for his actions.
        If the soldier lies to the commander, and the commander does not verify his information, then the best general will lose the battle.
        History buffs and politicians need to know this truth: "Better a bitter truth than a SWEET LIE".
        To deceive oneself is the last thing.
    4. parus2nik
      parus2nik 29 March 2014 09: 24
      18
      By the way .. When Beria was convicted, he was traditionally declared an English spy ..
      but for some reason they didn’t declare them a rapist, at that time it was enough to be shot ... Some strange move .. it turned out that an English spy had been working with Stalin for almost 20 years .. It's like the brains of the population went crazy ... Although enough , was accused of moral decay, a departure from Marxist-Leninist norms ...
    5. Ivan Tarasov
      Ivan Tarasov 29 March 2014 09: 57
      19
      Quote: Igor39
      Lawrence was a "good" man, well, you think he loved to fuck little girls, everyone has a weakness.

      There were also rumors about Tchaikovsky, they say fagot.
      But in fact, these rumors were made by one Jew - a blouse started when the composer refused her.
      With regards to Beria.
      The Trotskyists came to power after the assassination of Stalin and began to water the entire Stalinist team with slops.
      We know how to do it.
    6. DeOS78RU
      DeOS78RU 29 March 2014 10: 54
      +3
      did you hold the candle? about the ussr and its leadership, so much lies and dirt poured out that perhaps it is easier to believe that it is you, in order to insert your 5 kopecks, broke away from such a "vile" weakness
      1. parus2nik
        parus2nik 29 March 2014 12: 03
        +3
        By the way, at the trial of Beria, not a single material on moral corruption was presented .. (rape, pedophilia) or collected too lazy, or simply they were not ...
    7. stillrat
      stillrat 29 March 2014 13: 36
      +6
      And you can facts, please. References to the testimonies of witnesses. In your opinion, he fucked them in thousands, show at least one!
      Recently I saw an interview with a connoisseur of Moscow history, she talked about these schoolgirls who were raped and immediately killed by a "bloody executioner" in 37. The fact that Beria was in Moscow at that time did not even bother her. And there are such "historians" in bulk. So please present at least some facts!
    8. Egor.nic
      Egor.nic 29 March 2014 20: 23
      -6
      By the number of minuses, it is noticeable that there are a huge number of dropouts and just fools in Russia that approve of the violence and murder perpetrated by obscurantists over the Russian people.
      To say that they are simply mistaken or intoxicated would be a mistake.
      Here it is, on the face, the growing shift of the fifth column, unaware of its history, hating its people and country, ready to sell the country for Western handouts and absorbing the provocative nonsense (equivalent to pro-Nazi agitation) of the Jews of scribes.
      1. mark7
        mark7 29 March 2014 23: 51
        +2
        Quote: Egor.nic
        they are simply mistaken or stupefied,

        You can find out, and you grew up on what history? On Solzhenitsev's dope of billions of victims, etc., and the fact that these "bad" people simply could not be like that - you can create a great power by doing fornication, profit and thinking only about yourself - yes
    9. I am
      I am 29 March 2014 21: 43
      0
      Did you attend ???? So you mean that girl ..... nude-nude.
      1. Kassandra
        Kassandra April 2 2014 10: 05
        0
        no, everything is much simpler - he is a "boy" with an earring in his ear.
    10. RUSS
      RUSS 30 March 2014 14: 19
      0
      Quote: Igor39
      Lawrence was a "good" man, well, you think he loved to fuck little girls, everyone has a weakness.


      About 70 people were clamoring for you, apparently they also like little girls or what other weaknesses they have ...
  5. andrei332809
    andrei332809 29 March 2014 08: 39
    13
    in 1992 I made a report on history, just about Beria. said about the same thing, but not so beautifully. got an excellent pair, I thought they would not be allowed to stand. however, the historian did not even begin to accept the test, she immediately wrote "chorus" and put it out of the audience.
  6. saag
    saag 29 March 2014 08: 43
    45 th
    What Beria is white and fluffy, why this laudatory ode?
    1. sv68
      sv68 29 March 2014 10: 52
      +9
      write, be objective, but there is no laudatory ode, just an assessment of human actions
      1. saag
        saag 29 March 2014 11: 23
        -5
        it’s such an assessment that attracts an ode, if you want to read about Beria, read Jacob Serebryansky, there was such a scout, there really is not much about him, but enough to understand who Beria is, and this article is just some kind of popular crack
        1. I am
          I am 29 March 2014 21: 48
          0
          Isoric rashness is a serious claim, but such scouts ..... well, in general, Trotsky showed them the way.
      2. Egor.nic
        Egor.nic 29 March 2014 20: 43
        -1
        And scum can be called a man ???
    2. I am
      I am 29 March 2014 21: 47
      +2
      He is not white and fluffy he is a millet man who has done a little more for the country than everyone else !!!!
  7. Same lech
    Same lech 29 March 2014 08: 46
    +9
    THE ATOMIC BOMB saved the USSR and ultimately RUSSIA from the repetition of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in this merit and Beria in the rest GOD HIM JUDGE.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 29 March 2014 08: 49
      28 th
      And who interestingly told Beria that the bomb was made?
      1. hunn
        hunn 29 March 2014 09: 05
        12
        He was the curator of the project. Soviet agents pulled out technical documentation from 3,14ndos, which significantly reduced the development time
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 29 March 2014 13: 02
          +2
          On separate units and technologies.
        2. wax
          wax 30 March 2014 00: 00
          +5
          1930 years passed from 1953 to 23 (despite the fact that four years in this period took the most brutal war).
          1991 years passed from 2014 to 23.
          The results of 1930-53 are simply fantastic) (by creation).
          The results of 1991-2014 are also fantastic (for destruction.
          Is not it?
          In both cases, the people did everything? Or did the leaders also contribute?
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      2. saber
        saber 29 March 2014 09: 21
        +9
        is it something more serious in life than a doghouse did?
      3. I am
        I am 29 March 2014 21: 49
        0
        Party, People, and Comrade Stalin. Is this not enough ???
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 29 March 2014 13: 01
      +1
      It was not Beria who made the atomic bomb, and he did not obtain information beyond the river, he did not sacrifice health and life. He was instructed to control and organize so that scientists and engineers did not need anything.
      1. thrower
        thrower 29 March 2014 13: 43
        +6
        Hitler personally did not kill a single person, painted pictures and was a vegetarian.

        This is sarcasm, if you do not understand.
      2. I am
        I am 29 March 2014 21: 49
        +3
        Without leadership, even the Tatzhiki sidewalks will not be smashed.
      3. Kassandra
        Kassandra April 2 2014 10: 16
        0
        No information was extracted beyond the river, or how then did the USSR get hydrogen from Martians?
        Uranium was mined across the Elba River at the Vismut State Autonomous Okrug.
        He was instructed to ensure his extraction and delivery, the protection of production, and to save the heads of scientists and engineers, as well as members of their families.
    3. Kassandra
      Kassandra April 2 2014 10: 10
      0
      Not nuclear but thermonuclear rather ...
      In general, the captured Japanese bacteriological more saved. And then when he was taken it saved the Americans.
      "Through the Gobi and Khingan" look.
      Trophy German sarin and soman helped too. In the early years, uranium was mined exclusively in the same place, at the Vismut State Joint-Stock Company.
  8. Andrey57
    Andrey57 29 March 2014 08: 48
    23
    The time will come and Laurence will be washed away from all the dirt that has been poured on him for so many decades, then the real Lavrenty Pavlovich will be seen, who has done so much for the country.
  9. Stinger
    Stinger 29 March 2014 08: 49
    +9
    I remember childhood poems:

    Today is a holiday for the guys
    Jubilant Pioneer!
    Today I came to visit us
    Lavrenty Pavlych Beria!
    1. thrower
      thrower 29 March 2014 09: 26
      17
      At the funeral of E. Gaidar


      Today is a holiday for the guys
      Jubilant Pioneer!
      Egor Timurovich is waiting
      Lavrenty Pavlych Beria!
    2. parus2nik
      parus2nik 29 March 2014 09: 27
      19 th
      Who is suddenly knocking on me?
      I speak through the doors ..
      Baby, open the doors
      We are from Beria ..
      1. parus2nik
        parus2nik 29 March 2014 12: 00
        +4
        No not like this...
        Who is suddenly knocking on me?
        I speak through the doors ..
        Baby call dad
        We are from Beria ..
        And this is a poem
        Today is a holiday for the guys
        Jubilant Pioneer!
        Today I came to visit us
        Lavrenty Pavlych Beria!
        sounded in the play of one, then still, Leningrad theater .. year 1990 or 1991, I don’t remember exactly .. even then they were completely naked, but free III laughing
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  10. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 29 March 2014 08: 52
    10
    Whatever it was, Ukraine now lacks Comrade Beria!
  11. Altor86
    Altor86 29 March 2014 08: 53
    27
    Well, whoever fucked there, I don’t know, I didn’t hold a candle. But I was always convinced a great man. It’s just that in Russia we have so many dead lions.
  12. saag
    saag 29 March 2014 08: 53
    14 th
    I remember Peter Kapitsa even wrote a letter to Stalin to protect their group from tyranny of Beria, because it interferes with the work on the project, it worked
    1. svp67
      svp67 29 March 2014 09: 17
      14
      Quote: saag
      I remember Peter Kapitsa even wrote a letter to Stalin to protect their group from tyranny of Beria, because it interferes with the work on the project, it worked

      When Kapitsa was offered to lead the "atomic project", he stepped aside, well, he was not a stupid person, he understood the scope of work and headed it, Kurchatov is not known to anyone ... so that everything that happened next - let's not discuss ...
      The great ones have their own quirks ... They become great, they make everything great, including envy ...
      And the fact that Beria admitted to documents obtained by intelligence ONLY Kurchatov, in many ways, and it seemed - tyranny
      1. saag
        saag 29 March 2014 09: 28
        17 th
        The great ones in that project were precisely Kurchatov, Kapitsa, Flerov and others, which are known to discuss all their achievements, by the way great people are not put to the wall, they usually die in bed, and then they are great
        1. svp67
          svp67 29 March 2014 09: 47
          +6
          Quote: saag
          The great ones in that project were precisely Kurchatov, Kapitsa, Flerov and others, which are known to discuss all their achievements, by the way great people are not put to the wall, they usually die in bed, and then they are great

          It is a pity that in 1917 and 1937 they somehow forgot about it ...


          Kapitsa took the floor at the end of the meeting when Beria asked what other questions. By that time everyone was tired, but Beria Kapitsa did not interrupt, and he, with a host of "scientific" terms and strained sarcasm, undertook to criticize Kurchatov, demanding that Kurchatov coordinate with him all plans for research on the atomic problem.

          In total, the year before last, the meeting of the Special Committee Kurchatov, who constantly experienced a great shortage of scientific personnel for research on the atomic project, proposed connecting the Institute of Physical Problems of the USSR Academy of Sciences, headed by Kapitsa, to the atomic problem. And then Kapitsa convinced everyone that the atomic problem had nothing to do with his institute, and that there were no specialists at his institute to carry out the work entrusted to Kurchatov
          1. thrower
            thrower 29 March 2014 09: 55
            +8
            Tell me, how could the first secretary of the Transcaucasian District Party Committee (the post of Beria in the 1937 year) give orders to shoot scientists in Moscow?

            And by the way, which of them was shot - Kapitsa? Kurchatov? Flerov?
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            2. saag
              saag 29 March 2014 10: 18
              -5
              Quote: thrower
              And by the way, which of them was shot - Kapitsa? Kurchatov? Flerov?

              None of them were shot, because they are great people :-)
              1. wax
                wax 30 March 2014 00: 39
                0
                Dear, saag, they are great (P. Kapitsa - a special case, he was great from the Cavendish Laboratory of Rutherford) became AFTER 1949.
                All his life P.L. Kapitsa was faithful to honor, dignity, the struggle for truth, scientific truth. The ideal of the scientist and man.
            3. Baloo
              Baloo 29 March 2014 13: 05
              +2
              And what do we know about those who were shot at the slander of the informer?
          2. saag
            saag 29 March 2014 10: 01
            0
            Quote: svp67
            It is a pity that in 1917

            Are you talking about Nicholas II or something, and what was his greatness? War lost, trust too.
            1. svp67
              svp67 29 March 2014 10: 30
              +1
              Quote: saag
              Are you talking about Nicholas II or something, and what was his greatness?
              Each has its own list, and I Nikola 2, as I do not attribute to the great ones, so - mediocre dullness ... For me, people like Sikorsky are great ...
              1. saag
                saag 29 March 2014 10: 59
                0
                Quote: svp67
                For me, people like Sikorsky are bigger ...

                And, "white acacia flowers of emigration", besides "Ilya Muromets", what did he do for Russia? It may be great for the United States, although it is unlikely that such a term is used there.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 29 March 2014 12: 15
                  +3
                  Quote: saag
                  , "white acacia flowers of emigration", except for "Ilya Muromets", what did he do for Russia?


                  Well, let's omit "Svyatogor" and C-6, I will gladly say THANKS to him, for the upbringing of Polikarpov and Tupolev ... that is, FOR THE CREATION OF THE RUSSIAN AVIATION ENGINEERING SCHOOL.
                2. Baloo
                  Baloo 29 March 2014 13: 08
                  +6
                  Sikorsky built a whole squadron of various modifications of the long-range bomber I. Muromets. And the fact that he did not accept the Soviet regime is his own business.
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 29 March 2014 13: 30
                    +5
                    Quote: Balu
                    And the fact that he did not accept the Soviet regime is his own business.
                    Alas, she (the Soviet government) greatly contributed to this ...
                  2. 11111mail.ru
                    11111mail.ru 29 March 2014 17: 27
                    0
                    Quote: Balu
                    And the fact that he did not accept the Soviet regime is his own business.

                    I. Sikorsky’s father, a prominent psychiatrist, concluded that the murder of 12-year-old A. Yushinsky (the Beilis case) was ritual. Now, if he had sacrificed principles and made a bald conclusion on examination with his own hands, then Trotsky's chicks would carry the whole Sikorsky family in their arms and feed them with white bread for life.
                3. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 29 March 2014 14: 38
                  +3
                  Quote: saag
                  It may be great for the USA, although it is unlikely that they use such a term there.


                  The term “chosen nation” is more popular there. Yusa is a God-chosen nation of saints who are called to embody the great American dream of freedom and democracy around the world. This is the highest race that carries the Light of Good to the rest of the nations, immersed in savagery and ignorance. Therefore, they are called the empire of Good.

                  The American political consciousness with its origins goes back to the understanding of the first settlers of the XNUMXth century, the so-called "Pilgrim Fathers," who thought with the images of the Old Testament and looked at the new continent as the "promised land" on which the "New Israel" - the “city on the hill” and “the candle to the whole world” will be built.
                  As early as 1640, the New England Legislative Assembly adopted a series of resolutions, the meaning of which boils down to three axioms:

                  1. The earth and everything on it belongs to the Lord.

                  2. The Lord can give the land or some part of it to the chosen people.

                  3. We are a chosen people

                  US plan or dominance of the "chosen race"
                4. Turkir
                  Turkir 29 March 2014 20: 35
                  +4
                  I’m writing quickly, from my memory, without looking at any .. pedias, I am a mathematician by profession, but I have always been interested in history. so that all kinds of Goebels and Yaroshi would not powder my brains.

                  There is another interesting figure, Alexander Seversky, a Russian officer, a pilot of the 1st World War. As a result of the wound, he lost his foot and continued to fly with a prosthesis. After the revolution, he ended up in the USA. During World War II, he was Roosevelt’s Aviation Advisor. After the war and the beginning of the Cold War, it was he (!) Who gave advice on barrage of the borders of the USSR with atomic bombers on board.
                  Here is such a goose!
              2. Kassandra
                Kassandra April 2 2014 10: 29
                0
                it’s strange, but before 1989 their Hirohito was carried on their hands, and not a single racial German spat in Kaiser.
                maybe the problem is in you?
            2. Kassandra
              Kassandra April 2 2014 10: 26
              0
              What kind of war did he lose?
              The Japanese ended because the great powers that armed them were quite ready to stand up for the Turks in 1854
              World War I was already ending without him.
              Its greatness is that with it the population of Russia doubled.
              What do you need a dog from the Russian Tsar?
        2. sled beach
          sled beach 29 March 2014 18: 22
          -3
          "There is no prophet in his own country" so they came up with nothing to do? The reptiles always strive for an outstanding personality to warm themselves in the rays of his glory, and when the agony fades away, they crap and fly on, the nature of the reptiles is such for everything that does not bring benefits.
    2. saber
      saber 29 March 2014 09: 22
      +8
      forced to work! really work, not engage in garbage!
    3. thrower
      thrower 29 March 2014 09: 27
      +1
      Which of course does not make Kapitsa a small informer))
    4. wax
      wax 30 March 2014 00: 20
      +4
      A letter from P. Kapitsa to Stalin here http://kapitza.ras.ru/museum/letter3.htm
      It follows from it that Kapitsa was not satisfied with Beria's leadership style. The result of the letter was not "effective", but P. Kapitsa's withdrawal from the project. At the same time, no one defamed Kapitsa.
      In particular, Kapitsa writes:
      To implement AB, the Americans spent $ 2 billion, which is approximately 30 billion rubles for our industrial products. Almost all of this should be spent on construction and engineering. During the reconstruction and in 2-3 years, we are unlikely to raise it. So we can’t quickly follow the American path, and if we go, we’ll lag behind anyway.
      P.L. Kapitsa, Moscow, November 25, 1945.
      Western experts believed that the atomic bomb in the USSR could be created no earlier than in 1954-55. but it happened on August 29, 1949.
      Beria did what Academician P. Kapitsa and foreign scientists considered impossible!
  13. Igor39
    Igor39 29 March 2014 08: 54
    37 th
    Stalin invited Alexei Maximovich Gorky to his place
    Kremlin and says:
    - I liked your novel "Mother". A wonderful thing! Not
    Do you feel like it's time to write Father? The prototype
    the main character agrees to be me.
    - I don’t know, Joseph Vissarionovich, can I do this
    responsible assignmentЄ Diseases, age, and work on "Klim
    Samgin “stalled.
    - And you try, try. Trying is not torture, however
    Comrade Beria?
    1. Fox
      Fox 29 March 2014 09: 20
      18
      would buy a little brain ... just a little ... would help ... although it is unlikely.
      1. saber
        saber 29 March 2014 09: 27
        +4
        can be made from bran with needles, as the Scarecrow of the Wise can do - it will help him!
    2. Turkir
      Turkir 29 March 2014 10: 03
      19 th
      Another joke:
      Stalin asks Beria: why is it not in my portrait that is hanging in your office above the table, but Pushkin?
      Because he was the first to say: "Souls, beautiful impulses."

      About the article: there is too much sugar. Nobody noticed?
      1. thrower
        thrower 29 March 2014 10: 06
        15
        Not a joke

        The meeting of the Big Three, Churchill, a hereditary aristocrat decided to stay sitting when Stalin came in. Stalin looked at him; Churchill stood up.
        Morality - even hereditary aristocrats stand when the Emperor enters.
      2. I am
        I am 29 March 2014 21: 53
        +1
        Writing on the walls ......, alas, not surprisingly. Among shit - you are all poets, among poets - you are shit ........
        (the inscription in the cabin of the men's toilet in the State Technical University)))))))))
      3. RUSS
        RUSS 30 March 2014 14: 23
        -1
        Quote: Turkir
        About the article: there is too much sugar. Nobody noticed?


        Not a lot of sugar, the article is completely "sugar".
        1. Kassandra
          Kassandra April 2 2014 10: 33
          0
          Oh, your city is missing
    3. parus2nik
      parus2nik 29 March 2014 12: 10
      12
      An interesting ending, and Gorky died. In August 1936,22, 1938, XNUMX, Beria was appointed First Deputy People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR N. I. Ezhov. Maybe it's time to change the ending of this joke:
      - And you try, try. Trying is not torture, however
      Comrade Yagoda? By the way, it’s Yagoda who is charged with Gorky’s death ..
    4. I am
      I am 29 March 2014 21: 51
      +1
      Mr. Obama, throw the banana and roll over. envy in the open, they won’t write about you like that.
  14. Quantum
    Quantum 29 March 2014 08: 58
    13
    The struggle for power, after the death of Stalin (possibly poisoned) was
    cruel. Stalin never managed to defeat the groupings in the Central Committee, which
    all kinds of incidents were repaired forever. I remember when Nikita slipped Stalin
    a list for execution, Stalin wrote: Get down, clown! As a result, intra-party
    the groups killed both Stalin himself and his People's Commissar - Beria.
    His enemies came to power: Malenkov, Khrushchev and his comrades. The greatest harm
    it was the clown Khrushchev who made it for the USSR; there are plenty of examples of his activities.
    1. thrower
      thrower 29 March 2014 09: 31
      +6
      The saddest thing is that Beria considered Khrushchev a friend
  15. zollstab
    zollstab 29 March 2014 09: 01
    +4
    There is no doubt that it is impossible to unequivocally state whether Beria was so bad or good without having experienced the same time with him. All information must be considered carefully.
  16. Igor39
    Igor39 29 March 2014 09: 09
    43 th
    The only surviving list, which was kept by the former head of the secretariat Beria Sarkisov, included the names of 39 women. Later, rumor increased this number to 500 and even 800, making Lavrenty Pavlovich a real sexual giant. Although, probably, women really liked Beria, and this was gladly imputed to him by party comrades - zealots of high morality. At the July Plenum, Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee N.N. Shatalin stated: “The Presidium of the Central Committee instructed me in Beria’s office in the Council of Ministers to find documents related to the activities of the former First Main Directorate ... Looking through the contents of safes and other places where documents can be stored, we came across things and objects unusual for office cabinets. Along with the documents, we found in large quantities all sorts of ... attributes of women's dress. Here are brief excerpts from the inventory: ladies 'tracksuits, ladies' blouses, ladies 'stockings of foreign firms - 11 pairs, women's silk combinations - 11 pairs, ladies' silk tights - 7 pairs, cuts for ladies 'dresses - 5 cuts, silk ladies' headscarves, handkerchiefs of foreign companies, silk children's combinations, some more children's things, etc., a whole list of 29 serial numbers We found numerous letters from women of the most intimate, I would say, We also found a large number of objects of a male lecher. These things speak for themselves, and, as they say, no comments are required. "
    The last words of Beria: I beg you not to kill me!
    Brave was a man ....
    1. tokin1959
      tokin1959 29 March 2014 09: 13
      12
      Have you been in a search of Beria’s office?
      did you hear his last words before death?
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 29 March 2014 09: 21
        35 th
        But what, as they say, S. Gribanov managed to learn first-hand from the real author of the bullet for the main enemy of the people, the then Colonel General P.F. Batitsky: "We took Beria up the stairs to the underground. He obos ... Vonishcha. Then I shot him like a dog."
        1. saber
          saber 29 March 2014 09: 25
          11
          probably Khrushchev for it raised him in the rank! why not kick the dead lion? 3,14dit Batitsky.
        2. tokin1959
          tokin1959 29 March 2014 09: 29
          12
          nonsense.
          you would think that if Beria led you to the basement - you would have screamed - long live democracy, and not put it on your pants?
          you are a liberalist. minus you.
        3. thrower
          thrower 29 March 2014 09: 38
          +1
          Read the Batitsky biography.
          By the way, he hardly read it himself, after all, for a military man the word honor is not an empty phrase.
        4. mak210
          mak210 29 March 2014 09: 42
          13
          I wonder what military school he was taught to shoot at the back of the head unarmed? And where was the practice, probably in the Demyansk boiler, which our whole year could not cut? The executioner was always a shameful profession (but profitable!), They carefully concealed it. This Khrushchev clown and scum, Batitsky, is proud to have killed an unarmed man. What is his morality? And the star of the hero seems to have received for this shot.

          By the way, the son of Beria assures that there was no execution and arrest at all, he was killed while trying to detain him, this is very similar to the truth, given the fear of the maize in front of his authority and, in fact, the identity of Beria himself, it is hard to believe that he is quiet he folded his paws and went to the jail, knowing for sure his future in it.
        5. Alexandr73
          Alexandr73 29 March 2014 09: 47
          17 th
          It’s one thing when a person is in battle, there the adrenaline is whipping and the sea is knee-deep and there are chances to survive, a person always hopes for the best (they won’t kill me). It’s completely different when you are being led like a chick for slaughter - both just ... be careful, and just ... decide, and you will cry, and not necessarily from fear, you can cry from impotence. from what you can’t do anything. All the heroes until they put the barrel to the head, and then where only heroism disappears. (Probably in the pants, behind)
          1. thrower
            thrower 29 March 2014 09: 55
            +7
            You are probably talking about General Karbyshev?
          2. I am
            I am 29 March 2014 22: 01
            0
            on their own people are not judged
        6. I am
          I am 29 March 2014 22: 00
          +1
          When they lead you, they will take into account and protect you ** in advance)))))
    2. saber
      saber 29 March 2014 09: 17
      15
      envy that you do not have so many women? sorry nature .. and now think with your head - how could there be enough time for a fully loaded middle-aged man with 39 lovers? see and really superman was Lavrenty Palych
    3. thrower
      thrower 29 March 2014 09: 37
      27
      Well, think with your head, a man was an underground worker for 2 years. And then for 10 years he chased bandits in the Caucasus mountains, had a personalized weapon "For Courage", which during the war did not hide his son from the Army, but allowed him to go to the front, and not even to the front, and behind the front line (Sergo Beria was a radio operator in a sabotage group), this is how such a person could lose all his courage

      And his family - when they demanded from Nino Beria to sign letters against L.P. Beria, threatening to shoot her son in front of her eyes, then she said, "son, do not be afraid, we die once"
      Can the brain be switched on at least sometimes ????
      1. saber
        saber 29 March 2014 09: 43
        +7
        if there is something to include for such people! they do not need either facts or an analysis of them - such people have FAITH in the villains of Stalin and Beria! so they seem better to themselves
        1. Kassandra
          Kassandra April 2 2014 10: 43
          0
          they are not people at all - geeks, in 1937 they were simply destroyed
    4. svp67
      svp67 29 March 2014 10: 47
      +7
      Quote: Igor39
      The last words of Beria: I beg you not to kill me!

      Until now, there is not even the exact place where he died and, most importantly, when, since there were so many people who wanted to enroll themselves as "Beria's performers" that one wonders how many Beria was in power ...
      And you confidently quote his last words, or maybe you also "performed" it?
    5. Chemicalin23
      Chemicalin23 29 March 2014 11: 18
      +5
      Colleague, I have read all your comments on this article and respect your position, but I allowed myself to disagree with your opinion and put a "minus" on ALL your comments. This is my position. Let me assume that you remained under the impression of how you threw mud at this person, how you tried to denigrate him. For interest, read the books of Elena Prudnikova and maybe then your position will change a little.
    6. Bear52
      Bear52 29 March 2014 12: 03
      +4
      The last words of Beria: I beg you not to kill me! I DO NOT BELIEVE !!!! (s)
    7. I am
      I am 29 March 2014 22: 00
      0
      yeah, this is not a girl, though .... everything can be either envious or a secret admirer. Obama - black envy, it is only black black ???
    8. Igool
      Igool 30 March 2014 05: 06
      0
      Write do not plow. Lies did no good to anyone. Link to the document, please, in the studio. Then, we will glance and judge. And so ....
    9. Kassandra
      Kassandra April 2 2014 10: 36
      0
      39 women and not a single boy ... praaaaativny true?
  17. be0560
    be0560 29 March 2014 09: 09
    +9
    I agree with one of the commentators. We have constant extremes in history. If the enemy is deadly, if the friend is for life. There is no middle ground. There is no objectivity. None of the Stalinist commissars was white and fluffy as the author of the article claims. Including Lavrenty Palych. But there were no fools among them, except, perhaps, Nikita. Stalin selected people only for their business qualities and efficiency. And Beria is no exception. This is a very controversial figure in our history. His assessment as a politician is indeed somewhere in between. A lot of superficial, a lot of lies around his figure. I think time will dot the i's.
  18. hunn
    hunn 29 March 2014 09: 11
    14
    Beria was ruined in particular by the fact that he decided to declassify the sentences of 1936-1940. And then it would become clear who, whom and for what. In addition, he encroached on the sacred - the dominant role of the CPSU in the life of the country, he wanted to put SovMin above the Politburo.
    1. thrower
      thrower 29 March 2014 09: 40
      11
      Some of Khrushchev's "exploits" in Ukraine and in Moscow in terms of executions are worth
    2. Turkir
      Turkir 29 March 2014 10: 09
      +6
      Beria - received a post in Moscow in 1938. He really has nothing to do with the purges of 1937. At that time he was in Georgia.
  19. ehomenkov
    ehomenkov 29 March 2014 09: 14
    27 th
    yeah ... He also embroidered with a cross ... wassat
    1. saber
      saber 29 March 2014 09: 19
      12
      well no! he choked babies and ate their liver
  20. AleksPol
    AleksPol 29 March 2014 09: 20
    +8
    Everyone considers Beria an executioner. And what would happen if today's liberals got into that era. ? What would they do there? And in those years, there were enough of them.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 29 March 2014 12: 47
      +8
      All these pseudo-liberals, if they got there, would have shouted "Glory to the great Stalin!" No doubt
      An example is the principle of the chameleon:
      Saakashvili, a professional Komsomol member, he was trained for senior party positions. The collapse of the USSR and what came of it?
      Absolutely the same with these "liberals".
      Manure always floats on top.
  21. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 29 March 2014 09: 22
    16
    Have you noticed that in every modern (from 1991 to the present day) war film, there is always a bad NKVDshnik? What is it for?
    1. saber
      saber 29 March 2014 09: 29
      11
      moreover, the NKVDshnik is always fat and drunk
    2. I THINK
      I THINK 29 March 2014 09: 38
      14
      And not only the bad NKVDshnik, now the fifth series about the Soviet era, a complete set: in addition to the NKVDshnik, the crappy secretaries and party thieves, sleep with German spies, the meaning of all the films - before in Soviet times, everything was bad, everyone was in power, and only a few of the most talented and clever sought to break out to the west
    3. thrower
      thrower 29 March 2014 09: 44
      +4
      Our liberals are scared that they will have to sit on a chair in front of a man with raspberry buttonholes and answer a couple of questions.

      In general, I heard a story from one of the artists about a man who quit drinking.
      They summoned him to the KGB, and there a polite man in civilian clothes asked politely - "tell me, would you really feel satisfaction if the General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev would kiss you on the ass?"
    4. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 29 March 2014 09: 56
      +2
      And until the end of the 80 of the last century in the war films there was most often a good NKVDshnik. Why would it?
      1. Kassandra
        Kassandra April 2 2014 10: 46
        0
        og, and the country was.
  22. Vasya1980
    Vasya1980 29 March 2014 09: 34
    +1
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  25. individual
    individual 29 March 2014 09: 35
    +6
    For me over the age of 60, it's hard to change beliefs.
    Readable does not fit in the head.
    Well, why are our colors so striking:
    white, black without halftones, without the presence of other dyes.
    I recall the past:
    "In the 80s, at political studies, one of the senior listeners refused to comment on one of the propagandist's topics.
    - to the question why?
    - he replied: "you know, when Stalin died, we learned by heart Beria's mourning speech for a week, and a week later he was declared an enemy of the people" ...
    All this is in my memory and all this is experienced together with the USSR / Russia ...
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 29 March 2014 10: 15
      +2
      Poster perception of history. History is not a poster; there are many colors and shades. Plus, not all documents are declassified. Therefore, not everyone, even historians, has access to these documents.
      Germany has a law on declassifying documents after 60 years. We, it seems, have no such law.
  26. mabuta
    mabuta 29 March 2014 09: 37
    20
    The most interesting thing is that Khrushchev immediately after coming to power began to destroy the documents of the NKVD during his leadership. From this began the redrawing of the history that the liberals constantly impose on us. Although many archival documents are still not declassified, on the basis of published data you can see that all that we were driven in. It’s a lie when reading the work of such historians as S.E. Kurginyan, N.V. Starikov while consulting on the website of the archive, you can understand that despite some events, I.V. Stalin and L.P. Beria were unreasonably slandered . scale repression unreasonably razdut.Vse spreadsheets and documents can be found http://archives.ru/
  27. Plastyt
    Plastyt 29 March 2014 09: 39
    12
    One must judge a person by deeds. And he did a lot of useful things for the USSR. The Georgian national economy raised - a fact, an atomic project - a bomb was made, intelligence-counterintelligence - the NKVD-KGB are still afraid. The man of business.
  28. parus2nik
    parus2nik 29 March 2014 09: 43
    +4
    Khrushchev, said about himself that he had blood on his hands up to the elbows ... Beria, a man of his era ... not better, not worse than the others ... But if anyone remembers the "spy" novels of the 50-60s, they noted the positive role of L.P. Beria in the restoration of intelligence personnel, although his name is not mentioned .. Yes, V. Kozhevnikov, in the novel "Shield and Sword", did not raise a hand especially against Beria .. There he only doubts A. Belove, but doubts dispelled him .. If Beria was really bad .. agitprop, he would give the command to face .. As a child, was in Donbay, were in the Museum of the Defense of the Caucasus, apparently because there was only our excursion in the hall , a guide, a woman of about 30, enthusiastically talked about the role of Beria in the defense of the North Caucasus, it was 1979 ... I was then in the third grade ..
    1. parus2nik
      parus2nik 29 March 2014 22: 47
      +4
      When you put minuses, write objections, but apparently there is nothing to argue .. Reread Kozhevnikov's "Shield and Sword", Bryantsev's "On Thin Ice", other books .. This is a fact, when Beria arrived in Sochi, people felt confident that the Germans were not will be allowed to pass, it was he who set up the production of mountaineering equipment, it was he who began to form mountain rifle divisions, attracting athletes-climbers there, but it was he who evicted the Chechens and Ingush, there was no time then to figure out who was for the Soviet power and who was against when pro-Nazi wandering in the rear gangs .. It was he who removed, did not shoot, but removed the stupid command .. Even our valiant military leaders, in their memoirs, really cannot blame anything ..
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 29 March 2014 23: 01
        +2
        And there are still many, many good things for the country. The Bab was dragged to him (although I don’t see anything abnormal, I’m a normal man!), The only one who dashed him down (under pressure) is a poor village girl who, incidentally, got an apartment in Moscow and she was by no means poor. According to the testimonies, he really loved her and cared for her (without abandoning the family, mind you)
        1. parus2nik
          parus2nik 30 March 2014 14: 15
          +3
          There would be real women, imputed moral decay and inflated this fact and shot all the same ... But there were just rumors .. therefore, rummaging in the archives announced that the English spyon, an agent of the Musavat intelligence ... And another trial over Beria was closed .. .In contrast to the processes of 1937
  29. Sergey47
    Sergey47 29 March 2014 09: 54
    11
    Considering his services to the Motherland, you can turn a blind eye to "little football tricks", as a very famous commentator used to say. Yes, it was not known or not. I think that it is necessary to judge him by his deeds, but he did a lot for the country. He even offered to sell the GDR, in exchange for the "Marshal's plan" for the USSR. Will they tell me nonsense? And what happened? Vbuhali immeasurably in this GDR, and gave away for nothing. What did Perdukov-Taburetkin do for the country? But this did not prevent him from "having" an entire women's battalion. And the people "similar to the Attorney General" that have been transferred from the ns already? Close your mouth liberasty and enough hypocrisy. Article in the subject and very at the time. Lavrenty Palych is sorely lacking today. For a moment, let's return to the USSR for an easy experiment: try to kick the traffic cop if you are drunk. And try it now. That's the whole difference.
    1. thrower
      thrower 29 March 2014 10: 01
      +5
      In the USSR, guards did not have weapons.
      They did not need it.
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 29 March 2014 10: 54
        +4
        I am born in 1947. At six, he ran for kerosene with a can. Cooked on kerosene stoves and stove stoves.
        On the corner of my street, there was a policeman with a revolver in a holster and a red cord on the handle. A saber hung on the left side.
        It was 1953 year.
      2. Egor.nic
        Egor.nic 29 March 2014 20: 59
        0
        Yes you are fantastic .... laughing
    2. Kassandra
      Kassandra April 2 2014 10: 57
      0
      As the head of the atomic project, he would never have offered to sell the GDR, because for the first 15 years all Soviet uranium was mined exclusively there at the Vismut State Autonomous Okrug, and in the summer of 1945 a war almost broke out over these mines with the Americans who originally occupied them.
      take your 30 cents from the shelf.
  30. Amur
    Amur 29 March 2014 09: 56
    +8
    The monstrous baseness of Khrushchev, who slandered great people at the 20th Congress, was confirmed now that everyone understood what was the present to Ukraine (I mean Crimea).
    Now it is clearly visible who really was who.
  31. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 29 March 2014 10: 12
    +6
    Yes, it will always be a problem to bring an objective, unbiased judgment about the life and work of a statesman, especially of such a scale as L.P. Beria. And as history teaches us, it is the scoundrels and opportunists who make the best use of this: Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin are only the upper layer. It must be understood that the one who builds something new will always be the object of criticism of those who have long mastered their "clearing" and do not want to share devident "laws of the market", even in this case, not so much economic and political.
  32. saag
    saag 29 March 2014 10: 16
    15 th
    Quote: Amur
    The monstrous baseness of Khrushchev, who slandered great people at the 20th Congress

    And what is the libel?
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 29 March 2014 11: 08
      +4
      Quote: saag

      And what is the libel?
      Yes, at least 100500 sextilions of the repressed.
      1. saag
        saag 29 March 2014 11: 25
        -4
        Quote: Pushkar
        Yes, at least 100500 sextilions of the repressed.

        but you didn’t see them, did you want to write this?
        1. thrower
          thrower 29 March 2014 13: 49
          +6
          Did not have! I am too lazy to look, see for yourself Memorial society, the numbers are millions, but liberal, which means overpriced. But in these lists, as in the heavenly hundred, everything is included - Yagoda, Medved, Zaporozhets (these are surnames) Frinovsky, Yezhov, etc.
  33. Rohon
    Rohon 29 March 2014 10: 21
    +6
    Mud pouring from a bucket a lot of mind is not necessary, it is harmful to think, the head can get sick ... Let's wait when time he’ll set the point ... But to figure it out for yourself, read books, talk to the old people, no time ...
    So we exist ... When will we start Living?. Think, Work not for money, but conscience, Look at each other not with envy and neglect, but with respect and kindness. And only then all by itself will fall into place.
  34. Turkir
    Turkir 29 March 2014 10: 35
    +5
    I do not like half the truth - it is a lie.

    Something I do not understand why the defenders of Beria (there is no letter I in the Georgian language) attacked Batitsky and completely forgot about the main "gunman" Beria, Zhukov?
    It was he, Zhukov, who took over the removal, arrest and execution of Beria. The cowardly Khrushchev was afraid to move at the sight of Beria. Batitsky and other officers carried out the direct ORDER of Zhukov.
    It was thanks to Zhukov that Khrushchev soared to the top, after a short reign of the triumvirate "Bulganin, Malenkov and Shepilov, who joined them," I retained the wording of their dismissal and again relying on the army, and Zhukov was the Minister of Defense.
    How, Khrushchev, "thanked" Zhukov? He sent him on a visit to Yugoslavia and, when Zhukov flew back on the plane, he dismissed him. Zhukov was arrested right at the airport and sent to his dacha under guard.
    I repeat - the article is half-truth, abundantly sprinkled with icing sugar and can NOT claim historicity.
    You can powder an article, but my brains are NOT.
    1. thrower
      thrower 29 March 2014 11: 05
      +2
      There is an opinion that Zhukov had nothing to do with this, he was confronted with a fact, and then removed from all posts.
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 29 March 2014 11: 17
        0
        And the opinion of Zhukov himself, are you not interested?
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 29 March 2014 17: 37
      0
      Quote: Turkir
      Article can powderand mine brain NO.

      Dandruff doesn’t count?
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 29 March 2014 20: 56
        0
        It seems you wanted to say something?
    3. Kassandra
      Kassandra April 2 2014 11: 01
      0
      and your brains know everything? I personally know those who were in the development of the people of Beria, and they didn’t really offend them.
      only one descendant of those who worked under him was spitting on him for ... unintelligence.
  35. onegin61
    onegin61 29 March 2014 10: 40
    21 th
    Well, Well, everyone believed, but the executed and repressed, and in the Gulag, which built almost all major construction projects, including Moscow skyscrapers, (half of the country is sitting, the other is waiting) was immeasurably (not measured), "a forced necessity." Achievements went to lives, not ours, but those that no longer exist. Stalin and Beria seem to have nothing to do with (the two main figures of that time.) People, you do not turn off your brains, a good man (second in the country), although half the country was in prison, millions were shot, but he has nothing to do with it.
    1. thrower
      thrower 29 March 2014 11: 07
      +7
      one hundred million executed in Kolyma, babies for breakfast, half the country sat ...

      Continue to please us with objective facts fellow
    2. raven75
      raven75 29 March 2014 11: 20
      +8
      Onegin61, "Gulag Archipelago" read it through or what? "Half of the country was sitting, turn on your brains, no need to blunt." First of all, you turn on your brains, victim of the magazine "Ogonyok" since the 90s. It has long been declassified all the data of the NKVD on the number of prisoners at that difficult time. In the modern "super-democratic" and "super-liberal" USA, about the same number of people are in prison. But, unlike the Stalinist USSR, there is no threat of a shitty cloud of prisoners there (100-200-300 years in prison, complete idiocy, in my opinion).
      1. thrower
        thrower 29 March 2014 13: 55
        +8
        Moreover, the population was about 200 million in the USSR, and sat as much as now. Then we had 2 options — either there were no criminals at all, no one stole, didn’t rob, didn’t kill, and all the scumbags of the Civil War sat at their desks and wrote letters to Stalin about love, or we now have terrible repressions, they shoot everyone, along the streets black funnels ride, and Shoigu catches and rapes schoolgirls at night.
        Well, this is not counting the normal version that there were excesses in the organs, but the crimpers were periodically cleaned, and the country lived its own life.
      2. Starina_hank
        Starina_hank 30 March 2014 21: 07
        0
        In my opinion, 15-25 years for a double-triple murder is idiocy, and 300 years is normal, although costly.
  36. saag
    saag 29 March 2014 10: 49
    -7
    Quote: Turkir
    and my brains are NOT

    How could you, judging by how actively people are plus and minus the article and comments, well, this is not as important as the answer to the question - who benefits from this?
  37. The comment was deleted.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 29 March 2014 11: 01
      +4
      I agree. Poster storytelling: either an angel or a devil. A living person is not visible. Man must be considered from the point of view of his era, and not from the point of view of today.
      The same controversial figure of the head of foreign intelligence Dekanozova. Little is written about him, and, either, only bad or only good. There really are no such people.
  38. jktu66
    jktu66 29 March 2014 10: 58
    -1
    Unfortunately, the history of Russia is very politicized and is often rewritten to please the ruling authorities. Often, we are not presented with facts, but with a set of fictional events. Recently I came across a project of 100 Great Generals online. The list includes prominent personalities and highly controversial people. And Nikolai Alexandrovich Romanov, under whose command the Russian imperial army won a number of outstanding victories in 1 MV, is not on the list, and was directly on the verge of a victorious end to the war by mid-1917. If not for the notorious 5th column, fueled by the policy of indirect influence from Germany and the policy of counterbalancing Russia's ally, Great Britain (with such "allies" there is no need for enemies).
    1. tantalum
      tantalum 29 March 2014 12: 57
      +6
      And what does he have to do with the great? He lost the main battle - to put it mildly, the Empire shaved! And whatever all his other qualities were, they can not be compared with the millions who died as a result of the revolutions and all that followed. The head of Russia should not have soft-bodied slugs, but unfortunately we have two of these over the 20th century each time the collapse and a decade of shame and hopelessness. And at the expense of 5 columns and allies of all sorts, this is demagogy because they always were and unfortunately will be
      1. Kassandra
        Kassandra April 2 2014 11: 21
        0
        soft-bodied evil slugs in themselves who mix their leaders with shit.
        the Japanese who bombed their emperor with atomic weapons carried 40 more years in their arms, and his inviolability was the only condition for surrender.
        and in the Hermaine there is a proverb when something good is "like we live under the Kaiser."
        almost all of you disgraceful oneself have renounced Nikolai yourself — when the revolution was made in Russia, the front was near Riga and not on the Volga, and perestroika was successful in general in peacetime. before that they laughed at old age (Brezhnev), told jokes. by the way, the smartest person was.
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 29 March 2014 17: 41
      +2
      Quote: jktu66
      And not on the list of Nikolai Alexandrovich Romanov,

      And rightly so, no. Changed the oath, abdicated ...
      1. Kassandra
        Kassandra April 2 2014 11: 16
        0
        the Japanese who bombed their emperor with atomic weapons carried 40 more years in their arms, and his inviolability was the only condition for surrender.
        and in the Hermaine there is a proverb when something good is "like we live under the Kaiser."
        but from Nikolai, in fact, you dishonors almost all of you renounced yourself - when in Russia they made a revolution, the front was near Riga and not on the Volga, and perestroika was successful in general in peacetime.
    3. Egor.nic
      Egor.nic 29 March 2014 21: 11
      0
      Here it is true !!!
  39. Shadow1
    Shadow1 29 March 2014 11: 08
    +6
    "Now in Russia, more than 862 thousand people have been convicted or are under investigation, including 50 thousand women, about 21 thousand minors and 500 children who were born in colonies and prisons."
    So how does our time differ from the 30-40s of the last century, where there were only sadists and executioners, as some write here?
    1. Egor.nic
      Egor.nic 29 March 2014 21: 13
      -1
      The difference is that now scum and trash are mostly sitting, and then they planted and destroyed, for the most part, the innocent and best people of the country.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 29 March 2014 21: 28
        +1
        Who was there? ”Name, pzhlst. One counter! I agree, some of them got kneaded, but UNDERSTANDED and RELEASED! Listen less to this melechin.
  40. DeOS78RU
    DeOS78RU 29 March 2014 11: 09
    +6
    Quote: thrower
    Our liberals are scared that they will have to sit on a chair in front of a man with raspberry buttonholes and answer a couple of questions.

    In general, I heard a story from one of the artists about a man who quit drinking.
    They summoned him to the KGB, and there a polite man in civilian clothes asked politely - "tell me, would you really feel satisfaction if the General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev would kiss you on the ass?"

    For every liberalist, a polite man in civilian clothes! and it’s not even sarcasm ... I really think so ... tolled at the tolerance and impunity of all this pseudo-intelligentsia ...
  41. saag
    saag 29 March 2014 11: 15
    -5
    Quote: Shadow1
    So how does our time differ from the 30-40s of the last century, where there were only sadists and executioners, as some write here?

    At that time, a neighbor would have dashed a denunciation on you, simply because he liked your living space in a communal apartment and you would have gone either to the dalstroy to wave a pick, or to the "NKVD state farm" in Karlag, or somewhere else, do not build illusions about about that time
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 29 March 2014 11: 24
      +2
      I was interested in this issue, in informing.
      He came to sad results.
      We were ahead of the Chinese and Americans.
      1. saag
        saag 29 March 2014 11: 36
        0
        Quote: Turkir
        We were ahead of the Chinese and Americans.

        I don’t know how things are with the Chinese, but what about the Americans, yes, I experienced
    2. skifd
      skifd 29 March 2014 12: 31
      +4
      Quote: saag
      At that time, a neighbor would have dashed a denunciation on you, simply because he liked your living space in a communal apartment and you would have gone either to the dalstroy to wave a pick, or to the "NKVD state farm" in Karlag, or somewhere else, do not build illusions about about that time


      So maybe there is a demand from the s.u.k. and the neighbor ?? "Yes, Stalin, of course, a tyrant, but who wrote 40 million denunciations?" (C) It is impossible to force a person to write a denunciation on someone just like that. What, they all ran and persuaded (especially and personally - Beria) ??? Anyway, the GULAG system was deployed to L.P. , not a topic.
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 29 March 2014 12: 56
        +1
        Probably as a result of the elimination of illiteracy. wink
      2. thrower
        thrower 29 March 2014 13: 58
        +3
        Beria could not persuade schoolgirls all the time taken))
    3. Shadow1
      Shadow1 29 March 2014 17: 28
      +2
      And now what if someone likes your apartment? The same thing will be or even beaten.
    4. I am
      I am 29 March 2014 21: 35
      +2
      You're smart ??????? Or how ???? And now they’ll just burn it, splash it with acid, drive it over with a car or poison it with gas. How's the prospect ???? And all for the same 5 meters communal.
  42. Shadow1
    Shadow1 29 March 2014 11: 15
    +3
    If we now allow anonymous letters, the province will write in the forefront and there will be all these liberal democrats and others like them! and there will be more planted than under Stalin, then at least the police worked, and now what?
  43. saag
    saag 29 March 2014 11: 18
    +1
    Quote: Shadow1
    If you now allow anonymous letters, the province will write

    But now they do not write, they used to write "to the authorities", now on the Internet
    1. Shadow1
      Shadow1 29 March 2014 17: 30
      0
      You can track the Internet and they are not sent to different organs, and so they write roofing felts from anger.
  44. Chemicalin23
    Chemicalin23 29 March 2014 11: 25
    +6
    Many copies today are broken, while discussing this article, many today remain of their own opinion, but I will personally say to myself - I will specially survive until the monuments are set up by L.P. Beria, I believe that people will open their eyes to that what this man really was and how much he did for all of us. If he had not been killed in the 53rd year, today we would have lived in a completely different but also unipolar world, with the only difference being that Russia would have been the pole. And personally, I myself will definitely raise a glass for this Great Man tonight.
    1. Egor.nic
      Egor.nic 29 March 2014 21: 20
      -1
      Do not live and great-great-grandchildren do not survive, do not even hope .... laughing
  45. RUSS
    RUSS 29 March 2014 11: 33
    -6
    Khrushchev is now fashionable to hait and spread rot, but you know him only for one "Khrushchev" thank you very much, and do not forget that they flew into space with him, and the fact that corn was sown almost beyond the Arctic Circle until ... / x was always enough without Khrushchev, he certainly did not give any confusion about the general sowing of corn.
    1. thrower
      thrower 29 March 2014 14: 01
      +1
      Who started rockets when?
      Who and when copied the idea of ​​cheap and prefabricated housing?
      Find answers to these questions on the Internet and you will learn a lot.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 29 March 2014 14: 56
        -7
        Quote: thrower
        Who started rockets when?
        Who and when copied the idea of ​​cheap and prefabricated housing?
        Find answers to these questions on the Internet and you will learn a lot.


        Well, of course, your god is Stalin.
        1. thrower
          thrower 29 March 2014 16: 19
          +4
          No, not God, but the last Emperor
        2. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 29 March 2014 17: 45
          0
          Quote: RUSS
          Who and when
          Well, of course, your god is Stalin.

          Well, he admitted.
      2. Egor.nic
        Egor.nic 29 March 2014 21: 21
        -1
        Judging by your competence, you have not studied the subject more complex than the Internet ... laughing
    2. sled beach
      sled beach 29 March 2014 18: 39
      +1
      Purely human: you need to be a little idiot to take off your shoes before everyone and hit them on the table. And threaten the whole world with your fist) and you don’t even feel ashamed! Just think, delirium and Khrushch did.
  46. ffylh
    ffylh 29 March 2014 11: 33
    +7
    Very interesting book - by Elena Prudnikova - "Beria. Crimes that never happened".
    With facts, dates and excerpts from the documents!
  47. Black
    Black 29 March 2014 11: 39
    +6
    I am surprised ....
    it seems and there is something to read, find, compare ... 90-00 years have been taught to distinguish lies and attempts from work ...
    and still the same nonsense about "repressions", about stockings, about the tears of Komsomol members.

    They remember Kapitsa's complaints ... still ... this gang of celestials was never cherished, but they all fell out of the "basket". Korolev, Landau ... raised in time - but glorified for centuries.

    Happy Birthday, Lavrenty Pavlovich.
  48. luka095
    luka095 29 March 2014 11: 41
    +8
    Article "plus". No one whitens anyone. The main milestones in Beria's work are listed. Indeed, he was an outstanding person. And Khrushchev's "fairy tales" about Beria, about Stalin are a self-justification for a complete revolution.
    1. thrower
      thrower 29 March 2014 14: 02
      0
      Yeah, now Yanukovych is also going to be tried for a golden toilet and those killed from the hundreds of heaven.
  49. chenia
    chenia 29 March 2014 11: 45
    +5
    Quote: Onegin61
    People, don’t turn your brains off, a good person (the second in the country), though the sex of the country was sitting, millions were shot, but he had nothing to do with it.


    And they themselves tried to include, a general analysis over 40 years (1918 - 1959), the demographic losses of the USSR amounted to 70 million people (of which 38 million WWII). For 23 years of liberalism and dermocracy, demographic losses are already more than 70 million.
    The question is, in what period did people destroy more?
  50. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 29 March 2014 11: 51
    +8
    Quote: Balu
    Much time has passed in the archives of the false mixed with the truth. But sexual pleasures and inhuman cruelty will forever remain his true face.

    Do not listen to these gossip.
    Too many have lied to us lately.
    Take Solzhenitsyn, for example ...
    We believed him, and he turned out to be a rare liar, a nit, an enemy of Russia.
    And now that this reptile has been exposed, publishers continue to stamp textbooks in which Solzhenitsyn’s lies are repeated!
    So, they lied to us and will lie, too much evil among us has dug in.
    Do not listen to anyone, think with your own head - to whom this or that information is beneficial, proceed from understanding this.
    1. DPN
      DPN 30 March 2014 22: 58
      +1
      In all likelihood, scientists and doctors came a generation of former kulaks and offended, something like the one in Ukraine, which Sasha Bily was an example of in the 60s. As for Solzhenitsyn, he wrote a work of fiction, that is, fiction
      1. Kassandra
        Kassandra April 2 2014 11: 26
        0
        what kind of pseudonym did he take for himself: what the hell? so everything is garlic - you have to be more attentive with vrungels