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Military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, remaining in the Crimea, and the main specialization of the defense industry enterprises of the Crimea

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Military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, remaining in the Crimea, and the main specialization of the defense industry enterprises of the Crimea

After the announcement of the referendum of the Republic of Crimea as an independent state, its further integration into Russia and the commencement of the withdrawal of Ukrainian servicemen, a significant number of Ukrainian armed forces remained in the peninsula.


According to the press secretary of the President of the Russian Federation, Dmitry Peskov, the Ukrainian military can freely leave the territory of the Crimea, “but with weapons or not, the Ministry of Defense will decide. ” The determining factor in this regard is likely to be stabilization of the situation on the territory of Ukraine, since it is hardly expedient to return weapons to the country that announced mobilization.

According to the Russian Defense Ministry, at the first stage, the Russian side began an inventory of abandoned military hardware in the Crimea and ensured adequate protection of the entire military infrastructure of the Crimean peninsula in order to exclude possible thefts and looting.

Ukrainian authorities claim that the total value of military property left in Crimea is estimated at 18 billion UAH. (about 1,7 billion dollars).

As stated by the Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine Leonid Polyakov, negotiations are ongoing with the Russian side on the further fate of Ukrainian military equipment and military equipment in the Crimea. The Ukrainian side says that if Kiev fails to take out its equipment and property, Ukraine will demand compensation from Russia in international courts.

Quantitative assessment of military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, remaining in the Crimea

The most numerous component, subordinate to the command of the Ukrainian Navy (military unit A-0225, the city of Sevastopol) in the Crimea, were coastal defense units, which were generally supervised by the Coastal Defense Forces Center (Simferopol).

In particular, in the armament of his subordinate units and subunits (36 depot. Coastal defense brigade (military unit A-2320, Simferopol district, Perevalnoe settlement), 406, detachment of coastal artillery group (military unit A-1743 , Simferopol), 1-th (military unit А-2272, Feodosiya) and 501-th (military unit А-0669, Kerch) the detachment of battalions of marines consisted of the following military equipment and rocket-artillery armament of large calibers:

- 40 basic combat tanks T-64B;

- 74 BMP-2;

- 60 BTR-70;

- 45 BTR-80;

- 20 BMP-1;

- 25 BTR-60;

- 30 MT-LB;

- 9 ATGM 9P149 Sturm-S (one battery);

- 24 units 120-mm mortar 2C12 "Sleigh";

- 12 units 122-mm 2C1 “Carnation” (division);

- 18 units 122-mm MLRS BM-21 "Grad" (division);

- 18 units X-NUMX-mm towed howitzers D-122 (division);

- 18 units 152-mm towed guns 2А36 "Hyacinth-B" (division).

In service 25-th dep. of the missile division of coastal defense (military unit A-2291, the city of Hevastopol) there was an 2 PU of the Rubezh SCRC.

In addition, the armed forces of these formations, as well as bases, warehouses, parts of management and support, consist of various special equipment, communications and air defense systems, maintenance vehicles, a significant number of small arms and ammunition and other property.

The main naval base of the Ukrainian Navy (military unit A-4408, St. Petersburg) and the Southern naval base (military unit A-2506, Novoozernoye (Donuzlav)) were deployed in Crimea. The Center for Maritime Operations of the Ukrainian Navy (military unit A-0825, the city of Kiev) consisted of two brigades of surface ships: 1-I (military unit A-2295, Cevestol) and 5-I (military unit A- 2865, Novoozernoe), four separate divisions of training ships and support vessels, Zaporizhia diesel-electrical submarine submarines.

On most of the warships of the Ukrainian Navy, the Russian flag is currently hoisted by the crews. According to Ukrainian sources, Ukraine retains control of 10 ships. Among them is the frigate "Getman Sagaidachny" of project 1135P, which is the most combat-ready unit of the Ukrainian fleet, which is currently located in Odessa.

To date, the list of combat and auxiliary ships and ships of the Navy, which raised the flag of Russia, includes the Ukrainian ship 51. Among the main ones are: two small anti-submarine ships (corvette) of the 1124M project (Lutsk and Ternopil), a small anti-submarine ship of the 12412 project (corvette) Khmelnitsky, a missile boat of the 12411T Pridnieprovye project, a missile boat of the 206MR Priluki project ", Ship management" Slavutich ", ship management" Donbas ", tug" Korets ", two sea minesweeper project 266М (" Chernigov "and" Cherkasy "), raid minesweeper project 1258E" Genichesk ", a large landing ship 775" Konstantin Olshansky ", Patrol ship project 1124P (corvette)" Vinnitsa , Medium landing craft project 773 "Kirovograd" SSK project 641 U01 «Zaporozhye», fire boat "borsch" and others. .

The full version of the article for subscribers will be published in the World Arms Trade Magazine No. XXUMX.

Characteristics and specialization of defense enterprises in the Crimea

On the territory of Crimea there are 13 enterprises that are part of the Ukroboronprom group of companies:

- SE "Sevastopol aviation company";

- SE "Evpatoria Aviation Repair Plant";

- SE "Theodosia Ship-Mechanical Plant";

- GP "Central Design Bureau" Chernomorets ";

- SE "Design Bureau of Radio";

- SE "Design and Technology Bureau Sudocomposite";

- State Enterprise "Theodosia Optical Plant";

- SE "Special production and technical base" Flame ";

- State Enterprise “Research Institute of Airport Systems”;

- GP "Research Center" Helicopter ";

- SE "Skloplastik";

- JSC “Feodosia shipbuilding company“ More ”;

- PJSC “Plant“ Fiolent ”.

SE "Sevastopol Aviation Enterprise"

99057, Sevastopol, ul.Letchikov, 2.

Field of activity:

Overhaul, re-equipment and modernization of the Ka-25, Ka-27, Mi-8, Mi-14, Mi-17 helicopters of all modifications, their units and equipment, as well as ground-based flight support, communications and navigation. All technological processes approved by developers - KB them. Kamov and KB them. ML Mil, who produce technical support for the overhaul of helicopters.

The company mastered the overhaul of the Mi-2, Ka-29, Ka-32, Mi-24 and Mi-35 helicopters of all modifications.

Overhaul of ground means of flight support, communications and navigation, incl. radio stations P-832, P-839, P-844, P-845, P-848, PAR-8, PAR-9, PAR-10; ARP-6, ARP-6U, ARP-11 direction finders; command posts SKP-9, SKP-11; drive and landing stations PRMG-4, RSP-7, RSP-6 and their modifications; flight service stations APA-5, APA-35, APA-50 (M), UPG-250, EHU-17 / 35, EHU-250, TZ-22, TZ 7.5; oil and air tankers of all models.

The company provided services for the repair and modernization of aircraft for the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, including for 56-th separate helicopter unit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, involved in the UN mission in Liberia, and foreign customers. The plant cooperates with the CIS countries, as well as with states and private companies in Europe, the Middle East, India, Southeast Asia and Africa. The successful geographical location on the Black Sea coast, the presence of a specially equipped sea terminal, developed infrastructure, proximity to the railway hub, sea port, airfields, motorways allow transportation for repair and shipment of aircraft after repair to the customer by any type of transport.

Currently, SE Sevastopol Aviation Enterprise is overhauling X-NUMX Mi-6 helicopters for the Croatian Air Force as part of the contract signed in July 8 by GK Ukrspetsexport and the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Croatia. Two repaired helicopters have already been handed over to the customer, the third car is preparing to fly over. .

The full version of the article on the specialization of all 13 enterprises of the Crimean military-industrial complex for subscribers will be published in the World Arms Trade Magazine No. XXUMX.
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    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 09: 40
      +39
      Quote: DEZINTO
      - and what?

      Che, Che, over my shoulder - Crimean Russian tongue
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        1. elmi
          elmi 28 March 2014 09: 48
          +26
          The Ukrainian side claims that if Kiev fails to take out its equipment and property, Ukraine will demand compensation from Russia in international courts.

          Let’s take an example from Georgia - they didn’t demand to return the abandoned military equipment. They don’t give away trophies, so let them forget everything that is in the Crimea. Otherwise, we can also demand that all debts be returned, which is much more expensive than they require
          1. self-propelled
            self-propelled 28 March 2014 11: 02
            +4
            Quote: elmi
            They don’t give trophies, so let them forget about everything in the Crimea

            On March 26, Crimeans noticed a convoy of 10 Russian trawls carrying T-64Б tanks from the 36th Coast Defense Brigade (Perevalnoye village).
            According to the head of the Crimean media center of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Vladislav Seleznev, the tanks were transported north as part of the redeployment of Ukrainian military personnel to the mainland.
            As reported, Ukraine and Russia agreed on the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from the Crimea along with weapons.
            Fifteen hundred Ukrainian servicemen who wished to leave Crimea, together with their families, will be taken out of the peninsula by train and without weapons
            1. elmi
              elmi 28 March 2014 11: 13
              +2
              It’s a pity that we give back ... I hope that at least we won’t give up the rest of the Ukrainian fleet.
              1. self-propelled
                self-propelled 28 March 2014 11: 49
                +2
                Quote: elmi
                It’s a pity that we give back ... I hope that at least we won’t give up the rest of the Ukrainian fleet.

                But what about Russia T-64?
                Regarding the fleet, the state of the Black Sea Fleet ships inherited from the Ukrainian Navy is now being assessed. and not all will join the ranks (given the technical condition) of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Project 775 large landing ship "Konstantin Olshansky" was disabled by the team (navigation equipment was broken, the propulsion system was disabled) ...
                somehow recourse
                1. Olegovi4
                  Olegovi4 28 March 2014 19: 26
                  0
                  Quote: self-propelled
                  and Nakoy Russia T-64

                  For a long time, military monuments were not erected. The T-34 is good, but I think the T-64 would have looked good.
          2. GDP
            GDP 28 March 2014 11: 38
            +1
            Fleet - For a battle with surface ships are no good.
            but, they will significantly expand the capabilities of the fight against submarines, given that Turkey has a large number of submarines - this is a big +
            + floating ship repair workshop, landing craft and its support, reconnaissance and control vessels, diving vessels, mining and demining vessels, support vessels, tugboats
            the result - the defense capabilities of our Black Sea coast will significantly increase, as well as to protect and support the basis of the Black Sea Fleet combat group at sea ... + repair plants.
            aviation - no, but the airfields and repair shops themselves are valuable
            land weapons part for defense - a large part to sell to the 3 countries of the world ...
            Defense - part for modernization, part to sell and replace with more modern
            - it's my opinion...
          3. Turkir
            Turkir 28 March 2014 11: 39
            0
            Trophies are taken during the war.
            But the fact that this technique is attributed to the Crimea and is the property of the Crimea is a fact.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 09: 53
          +10
          Quote: DEZINTO
          This is what I blurted out with a fool.

          Well, in vain deleted koment, normally blurted out wink
      2. Reasonable, 2,3
        Reasonable, 2,3 28 March 2014 17: 44
        0
        As far as I know, this has been sounded more than once - The "sahaidachny" does not have the main weapon, that is, "granite"
  2. polite people
    polite people 28 March 2014 09: 36
    +16
    Here you go. Although there is something to start activity. Crimeans - and you are not poor! good
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 09: 43
      +28
      Quote: polite people
      . Crimeans - and you are not poor!

      And why should they be poor, they don’t jump on the maidans with cries.
      1. vadimalehin76
        vadimalehin76 28 March 2014 10: 19
        +9
        It is true that they have a head on their shoulders, and not OPA like those of the Maidan hi
        1. kartalovkolya
          kartalovkolya 28 March 2014 12: 46
          0
          Something is not working well for the head of the Kiev "junta": why should you give them something to fear, firstly, Crimea declared its sovereignty and ownership of everything that is on their territory, and secondly, with all this good they joined Russia on the basis of a LEGAL REFERENDUM, and thirdly, Crimea was annexed illegally to Ukraine. So Asta la Vista baby! You can dream about Crimea with the thief Poroshenko! No, you guys can't see Crimea as your own tailbone! to begin with, they caught up with the Crimeans in terms of living standards, as they were stupid, so they remained. In the words of T. Bulba, "... well, your Poles helped you to your son." In general, free cheese is only in a mousetrap! !
  3. Gagarin
    Gagarin 28 March 2014 09: 38
    +10
    And where did the S-300 go?
    They were definitely!
    1. little man
      little man 28 March 2014 10: 03
      +3
      And aviation, what was not at all?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 10: 22
        +2
        Quote: man
        And aviation, what was not at all?

        Was in 1991.
      2. matross
        matross 28 March 2014 10: 50
        +5
        There was aviation and air defense and MCHPV. The article is not all trophies.
        1. major071
          major071 28 March 2014 11: 16
          +9
          As for aviation, ask Mamchur, as they say in the CENSOR. NO:
          the hero of Ukraine, who did not surrender and is now languishing in the dungeons of the Russian Gestapo in Crimea, and in whom the Russians are trying to find out a terrible secret: where did he go about the planes, while torturing him with fat
          laughing
      3. aleks 62
        aleks 62 28 March 2014 11: 23
        +4
        Aviation for 2 regiments ... True, not flying. Only 53 units (Mig-29 - 4 in flight form)
    2. aleks 62
      aleks 62 28 March 2014 11: 22
      0
      We stayed where we were ...
    3. Russ69
      Russ69 28 March 2014 12: 11
      +2
      Quote: Gagarin
      And where did the S-300 go?
      They were definitely!

      They remained, only in that modification, which in Russia, was withdrawn from service. Most likely it will go to the scrap ...
      1. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 28 March 2014 19: 28
        +2
        Quote: Russ69
        Most likely it will go to the scrap

        Yes, it's better to pass Old Man. Bulbashi seem to be able to work with Buki (play a prank of course). Yes, even send to Syria!
    4. Uncle
      Uncle 28 March 2014 13: 06
      +1
      Quote: Gagarin
      And where did the S-300 go?
      They were definitely!

      Putin said that there were also Buks.
  4. lukke
    lukke 28 March 2014 09: 39
    +14
    all of the above is the legacy of the USSR and the merits of Ukraine "0". You cannot look at the equipment that stands in open areas for conservation (at the entrance to Sevastopol and in the city itself) without tears.
  5. Vtel
    Vtel 28 March 2014 09: 39
    +7
    Let not the first freshness, but there is work to do. For a common cause, everything will go.
  6. Dezinto
    Dezinto 28 March 2014 09: 40
    +15
    No, well, if thanks for the article, without information, for information. It can be seen that there is something to work on, they go there and rusty half, half without fuel, but not the essence, the main thing is ours now. The farm is useful!
  7. Colorman
    Colorman 28 March 2014 09: 40
    +3
    For me, this technique must be transferred to the authorities of the Donetsk, Kharkov, and Lugansk regions after the federalization of Ukraine, if these regions are pro-Russian ...
  8. Alexgs
    Alexgs 28 March 2014 09: 41
    +54


    That's it.
  9. Coffee_time
    Coffee_time 28 March 2014 09: 41
    +3
    Well, we are ready to pay, but after you pay off your debts with us.
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 28 March 2014 10: 11
      +4
      Not this way! We are ready to return all this trash - after Ukraine has paid all its debts !!! winked
      1. scientist
        scientist 28 March 2014 10: 51
        +4
        Quote: Serg 122
        We are ready to return all this trash

        In no case can you negotiate any compensation and return of property in principle!
        With the bandits and the oligarchs in Kiev, it is useless to negotiate with them will always be few.
        This is the same standard Overton window divorce. From the beginning, they will begin negotiations about weapons, then about state enterprises, then they will move on to land and natural resources, and to top it off, they will demand compensation for people who were supposed to transfer taxes like slaves and this robbery will never end.
        It is necessary to clearly fix the application of the legal principle exactly the same as it was at the signing of the Bialowieza Agreement and the collapse of the Union. State property belongs to the people of Crimea and only he can dispose of what is left in the jurisdiction of the Crimea and what can be transferred to the federal government.
        therefore Ukraine must pay Russia for using Russian property for 23 years in Crimea
  10. Alex 241
    Alex 241 28 March 2014 09: 43
    +15
    In short, the plowed field !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Canep
      Canep 28 March 2014 10: 14
      +5
      And the pieces of the airplane seem to have handed over the color, There is no tail, the wings are clipped.
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 28 March 2014 10: 29
        +4
        Hi Seryozha. I’m more interested in what happened to the SUSHKI? How was it necessary to get a nod!
        1. small
          small 28 March 2014 11: 35
          0
          Spring!!!! A sliver on a sliver climbs. laughing Wait for replenishment soon !!!
  11. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 28 March 2014 09: 43
    +22
    As if who and what did not say And Crimea came to us with a solid dowry! If only they had lasted at least a month .. (the referendum was postponed to March 16 was the right move) I still don’t believe it .. Not firing, not provocations, but Crimea is stuffed with weapons and troops .. The Tigers drove special forces calmly and politely. said .. I'm in shock! Well done! Well, especially for Putin ...! (He was tense) if blood had been shed everything would have been different ..
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 09: 55
      +24
      Quote: MIKHAN
      No matter how anyone says anything And Crimea passed to us with a solid dowry!

      Who would not say that, but Crimea passed to Ukraine with a solid dowry, and tears returned.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 28 March 2014 10: 26
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: MIKHAN
        No matter how anyone says anything And Crimea passed to us with a solid dowry!

        Who would not say that, but Crimea passed to Ukraine with a solid dowry, and tears returned.

        Well, if yes, if only Alexander .. Not the desert was returned nevertheless ..))))
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 11: 59
          +1
          Quote: MIKHAN
          .Not the same desert returned nevertheless ..))

          Most of the military will be scrapped, the most valuable thing is people actually hi
    2. Tavrica
      Tavrica 28 March 2014 12: 28
      +4
      I don’t know about many plants, but the Fiolent plant in Simferopol is one of the most unique in the post-Soviet space. A friend of mine worked there, they made sighting systems for Russian missiles (mace, poplar). Machine tools and people were literate, custom made any thing from any material.
  12. mvv
    mvv 28 March 2014 09: 44
    +6
    trophies are rich, but the technology is 80% scrap
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 28 March 2014 10: 04
      +7
      Quote: mvv
      but the technique is 80% scrap

      From the military point of view, yes! But can it be used for other purposes? The main thing to dispose of the mind!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 10: 29
        +7
        Quote: Egoza
        ! But can it be used for other purposes?

        Elena can, for example, like this or an ashtray laughing
        1. Lazy
          Lazy 28 March 2014 11: 39
          +1
          It’s not bad to go to the forest to pick mushrooms off-road; now Crimeans can! -)
  13. Afinogen
    Afinogen 28 March 2014 09: 45
    +2
    And what about airplanes?
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 28 March 2014 10: 12
      +14
      Near Sevastopol there were about 10 serviceable MiG-29s, I was on friendly terms with officers, I couldn’t get through to it. I said that the spare parts were removed from other aircraft in Ivano-Frankivsk. There was a maximum during 1-2 days of departure, they even started to be proud that they started to fly again , for many years we were stupidly funny. According to him, we could have fought a day with the Romanians and kapets.
  14. ken
    ken 28 March 2014 09: 48
    +2
    Gingerbreads they need to give. Everything is better than cookies.
  15. Russ69
    Russ69 28 March 2014 09: 49
    +9
    The Ministry of Defense says that they will probably allow Ukraine to withdraw ammunition. It is not possible to use it ourselves, but it is expensive to dispose of it ...
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 28 March 2014 10: 38
      +3
      Use expired ammunition - you can disfigure yourself (there is such an experience!). Disposal by yourself is expensive and dangerous (there is already a sad experience!). So giving them away is the best option. For us.
  16. shinobi
    shinobi 28 March 2014 09: 49
    +9
    The main value is of course production facilities, factories. Of armaments, coastal complexes and heavy artillery. Armored vehicles are so-so. Tanks are generally frank junk. With the right sector there is something to wrestle in case of anything.
  17. Smiles to you
    Smiles to you 28 March 2014 09: 53
    +18
    Can do artificial reefs for divers ... laughing
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 28 March 2014 10: 15
      +5
      Straight across Hemingway! "Bye weapons..."
    2. Neighbor
      Neighbor 28 March 2014 10: 22
      +1
      Russian "Effective Managers" (Serdyukov at least) at least thought of putting into scrap metal
    3. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 28 March 2014 10: 43
      +1
      Why so? After all, very high quality scrap!
  18. Gvozdovsky
    Gvozdovsky 28 March 2014 09: 54
    +28
    The most important potential obtained by Russia in the Crimea is people, 2,5 million compatriots. Of course, the strategic position of Crimea, giving almost 100% control over the Black Sea. And the trash inherited from the Ukrainian army - to the storage base.
  19. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov 28 March 2014 09: 57
    +12
    Ukrainian equipment must be returned !!!! But only Ukrainian !!!! IT DOES NOT APPLY TO SOVIET !!!!! Unless the money spent on paying off debts of the USSR compensates us!
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 28 March 2014 10: 23
      +7
      Quote: serega.fedotov
      Ukrainian equipment must be returned !!!! But only Ukrainian !!!! IT DOES NOT APPLY TO SOVIET !!!!! Unless the money spent on paying off debts of the USSR compensates us!

      And there is Ukrainian then? All equipment was made in Soviet times.
    2. Turkir
      Turkir 28 March 2014 11: 44
      0
      Why's that? What is one example that someone would return to us? Abandoned property in the GDR?
  20. Ulairy
    Ulairy 28 March 2014 10: 02
    +9
    Quote: mvv
    trophies are rich, but the technology is 80% scrap

    Well, okay. The company mastered the overhaul of the Mi-2, Ka-29, Ka-32, Mi-24 and Mi-35 helicopters of all modifications. And this is not khukh-mukhra, tomato greenhouses. Over time, we will restore everything.
  21. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 28 March 2014 10: 03
    +8
    Good! Technique is certainly moldy, but there are places of deployment, some kind of infrastructure, and, of course, the main treasure is people! And the base can be converted, and it is necessary! About the 22-m3 have already been written.
  22. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 28 March 2014 10: 03
    +10
    GOD, how did they manage to waste so much military equipment, I am simply amazed. after all, the right sector has existed for a very long time, how were they going to fight with Russia without muskets? after all, after the collapse of the alliance, they had the most advanced types of weapons and equipment. even the "white swan" was chopped up for scrap.
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 28 March 2014 10: 46
      +3
      If the right sector has heads so that they only have something, then there is nothing to be surprised at!
      1. 311ove
        311ove 28 March 2014 12: 08
        0
        Quote: Saratoga833
        so that they only eat
        They don’t scream any more with them ..... And they also need to pull the balaclavas on something ... wassat
  23. fktrcfylhn61
    fktrcfylhn61 28 March 2014 10: 04
    +8
    What could be the return of weapons to a gang of pro-Western minions, to say the least! And the simple people of Ukraine all the more do not care about weapons! In general, you can talk about the return of weapons with the current president, Yanukovych! He needs this with the support of the south of Ukraine to restore order in the Ukrainian territories! Means and transfer weapons to him. Russia does not make sense to increase the combat effectiveness of banderlog! So go ahead with the song!
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 28 March 2014 10: 49
      +1
      In fact, Yanukovych is waste material. So, a sluggish screen. He did not decide anything and will not decide! "A hole in humanity".
    2. 311ove
      311ove 28 March 2014 12: 12
      0
      Not well, Yanukovych and weapons, they just made fun ... someone else will, maybe then .... but for all his legitimacy, I would only trust my daughter’s coloring ..... winked
  24. Dezinto
    Dezinto 28 March 2014 10: 10
    +7
    That's how we discussed the ships that we got just yesterday and all attacked with scrap metal, and I say something to boil over there to tint, refuel, and on the road we don’t have all the goodies who sail but they do their work, right! Here, of course, they don’t have ships with a different service life, but still it seems to me half of this equipment, and even the whole one, can be used for the needs of our aircraft.
  25. Egoza
    Egoza 28 March 2014 10: 13
    +14
    In fact, in my opinion, we must not forget about the lighthouses and the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory (KrAO), "which was born at the very beginning of the XNUMXth century near the village of Simeiz (southern coast of Crimea), on Mount Koshka,
    Now the main part of the Autonomous Okrug is located at an altitude of 550-600m, on the southern slopes of the Sel-Bukhra mountain. A real scientific town (called Scientific) has been created here with developed infrastructure: laboratories, workshops, a garage, laundry, post office, own school and kindergarten, libraries, hotels, and a beautiful park!
    The observatory employs over 370 people, of which about 90 are research workers. Now it is one of the largest research institutes in the CIS .... "
    there are 20 telescopes and, in addition to carrying out scientific programs for observing celestial bodies, there is also a place for the military, for observing various satellites ... IMHO
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 28 March 2014 10: 46
      +2
      This is right, here is the field for action.!
    2. aleks 62
      aleks 62 28 March 2014 11: 46
      +1
      A small amendment ... The scientist is located in the Bakhchisaray district, on the other side of the ridge, and not in Simeiz ...
    3. Russ69
      Russ69 28 March 2014 12: 07
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      In fact, in my opinion, one must not forget about the lighthouses and the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory (KrAO)

      Now documents are being prepared for inclusion in the RAS. After that, some kind of funding will open ...
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      2. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 28 March 2014 14: 46
        +1
        That's interesting too.
        In Crimea, there was also a station, recently they did without it, knew firsthand, Armavir will block including and its sector.

        ORTU SPRN (Separate radio engineering unit of the missile attack warning system) “Nikolaev” included the Dnepr radar at Cape Khersones, later upgraded to the Dnepr-M radar, which made it possible to control the south-west direction.

        The radar at Cape Khersones constantly monitors the territory of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Israel and part of Iran. During the first Gulf War, it was she who first discovered the launches of Iraq's Scud missiles. The station also found the only launch of the Jericho BR in tests in Israel.
        In 1988, on the ORTU "Nikolaev" on the basis of the Dnepr radar, the construction of the Daryal-U radar began. Construction continued until the 1993 year.

        After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the radar station located on ORTU "Nikolaev" became the property of Ukraine and organizationally part of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and is operated by Ukrainian military personnel.

        The life of the Dnepr radar, established at the beginning of the 70-s of the last century, expired in the 1995-96 years, but after some work it was possible to increase it. The agreement governing the operation of this station, as well as the radar station in Nikolaev, was signed in 1997. At the beginning of 1999, it was ratified in Russia.

        In 1997, it was announced that the funding of the stations was completely transferred to Russia.
        Information from both radars came to the central command post of a missile attack warning system subordinate to the Russian space forces. Serves the station Ukrainian staff.

        In accordance with the terms of the agreement between Ukraine and Russia, from 2009 of the year, data transfer from the station to the Russian armed forces was stopped.

        At present - the Southern Center for Radio Engineering Surveillance (SCRN) of the National Center for Space Facilities Management and Testing (NTSUIKS) - subordinate to the National Space Agency of Ukraine. The USRN performs the tasks of detecting, measuring flight parameters and tracking space objects in the interests of the National Space Agency of Ukraine. The head of the Center is Colonel S. A. Kornyakov

        For some reason, everyone is silent about this object ....
    4. 311ove
      311ove 28 March 2014 12: 17
      0
      Is the Simferopol Center for Long-Range Space Communication intact? Who is in the know?
  26. Smiles to you
    Smiles to you 28 March 2014 10: 14
    +2
    Quote: DEZINTO
    That's how we discussed the ships that we got just yesterday and all attacked with scrap metal, and I say something to boil over there to tint, refuel, and on the road we don’t have all the goodies who sail but they do their work, right! Here, of course, they don’t have ships with a different service life, but still it seems to me half of this equipment, and even the whole one, can be used for the needs of our aircraft.

    Don't forget most of these "cans". must be maintained and kept somewhere. At the Black Sea Fleet, there is new equipment (ships), so they need to be dealt with ...
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 28 March 2014 10: 51
      +2
      One does not interfere!
  27. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 28 March 2014 10: 15
    +4
    Quote: mvv
    trophies are rich, but the technology is 80% scrap

    It’s good that there are defense industry enterprises. The main thing is to dispose of them wisely and not to sell them, as we can do it!
  28. fif21
    fif21 28 March 2014 10: 17
    +5
    Who paid the debt of the USSR-Russia! Insolents, maybe they’ll set a per capita bill for each person? Traders EPT! It is bad that the year of manufacture of the equipment is not indicated. Although I am surprised that this junta will sell my mother for money.
  29. Grbear
    Grbear 28 March 2014 10: 18
    +2
    Everything is clear about the technique - junk. And the military-industrial complex of Crimea has not received funding for 20 years - the same firewood, only from "red" wood. We'll have to raise it, like our military commissar: equipment, training of people, etc. The ammunition can be returned by boiling them in salt water for at least 5 hours. hi
    1. aleks 62
      aleks 62 28 March 2014 11: 49
      0
      .... For "Grad" and tank it is difficult to boil - the pan is big .... :))))))))
  30. Thompson
    Thompson 28 March 2014 10: 24
    +2
    Quote: elmi
    Let’s take an example from Georgia - they didn’t demand to return the abandoned military equipment. They don’t give away trophies, so let them forget everything that is in the Crimea. Otherwise, we can also demand that all debts be returned, which is much more expensive than they require

    Yes, not a lot of figs, small things, only 90% of the territory of Ukraine, originally Russian! wink hi
  31. Stinger
    Stinger 28 March 2014 10: 25
    +1
    You can refund. For the ruble per kg.
  32. Barakuda
    Barakuda 28 March 2014 10: 26
    +2
    Quote: Russ69
    The Ministry of Defense says that they will probably allow Ukraine to withdraw ammunition. It is not possible to use it ourselves, but it is expensive to dispose of it ...

    It’s better not to take it out yet, they will plunder half of the road, and so the warehouses regularly explode. let the power in Kiev settle down.
  33. mabuta
    mabuta 28 March 2014 10: 27
    +2
    Create Cossack brigades, and transfer the equipment to them. They will make candy out of scrap metal.
  34. pts-m
    pts-m 28 March 2014 10: 28
    +2
    only the masters of the situation can talk about trophies! Khokhlam IS NOT A GRAM OF METAL!
  35. ZU-23
    ZU-23 28 March 2014 10: 29
    +2
    Okay, patched up and on Bandera again laughing There, even near the border with Crimea, there is plenty of future trophy, if we do not detonate of course.
  36. alex47russ
    alex47russ 28 March 2014 10: 33
    +2
    Well, the border from the Nazis, the fucking right-wing sector, there is something to protect !!!
  37. Barakuda
    Barakuda 28 March 2014 10: 35
    +3
    The cruiser "Moskva" exceeded 30 tonnes, for some reason no one refers it to scrap metal. Podrikhtovat-tint and let the service continue!
  38. ZU-23
    ZU-23 28 March 2014 10: 37
    +3
    Previously, the whole world thought that in Ukraine the Russian people live as full-fledged as in Russia, but now it’s interesting what the whole world thinks about Ukraine smile The junta lowered the country earlier than intended.
  39. Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 28 March 2014 10: 41
    +2
    The president of Ukraine is Yanukovych, his word is last and legitimate.
    1. denni
      denni 28 March 2014 10: 54
      +1
      For a long time our Volodya did not pull this ace out of his sleeve, if it weren’t too late)
  40. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS 28 March 2014 10: 42
    +1
    A pity people !!!
  41. Smiles to you
    Smiles to you 28 March 2014 10: 43
    0
    Quote: Sadykoff
    The president of Ukraine is Yanukovych, his word is last and legitimate.

    Unfortunately for him (Yanukovych), these are only dreams, dreams and dreams ...
  42. marder4
    marder4 28 March 2014 10: 44
    +1
    and Crimea is not at all poor in terms of enterprises ...
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 28 March 2014 10: 48
      +5
      Thanks to Potemkin and the USSR.
  43. lpd1
    lpd1 28 March 2014 10: 51
    -1
    Hmm, a rare, "square" plane will fly to the middle of the Dnieper sad
  44. sxn278619
    sxn278619 28 March 2014 10: 51
    +1
    Give all this scrap metal, but after a court decision in 2 years. In addition to air defense.
  45. Cristall
    Cristall 28 March 2014 10: 55
    +2
    Once again I will hear that these are "trophies" - I will assume that our media is right - we were deceived and captured.
    If these are trophies, then there was a war. If there was a war, then we were attacked.
    The fact that we did not shoot does not mean that there was no war. We just didn't want to shed blood - and people like you sit and share the "trophies" and mock!
    Here is my opinion about the behavior of some.
    You yourself sit here and provoke! They took the trophies - look at the prey, however beautiful not a drop of blood is beautiful. What is strange - yes? Only your merit? Do not confess ONLY YOUR merit that the military of Ukraine in the Crimea did not shoot at you and Crimeans? It infuriates me personally when it is all presented as war and the sharing of trophies. I think not one of me.
    Calm down - Nkito did not cancel the merits of the "polite people", but the main reason for success is the unwillingness of Ukrainians to shed blood (and they were obliged to defend by oath)
    I support the opinion of the commentary read recently - we, the citizens of Ukraine, paid taxes on the maintenance of the Army of the Fleet, not so that later you could brag and recount the "trophies" of our tacit consent to the transition of Crimea.
    It’s not even offensive - it’s outrageous!
    Threat do not forget to promote - it's so fashionable ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 11: 14
      0
      Quote: Cristall
      You yourself sit here and provoke! Trophies took - look at the prey, beautiful still not a drop of blood

      Come on, pay attention. Most recently here they shouted that in Ukraine all weapons are rubbish. Now they are glad that we have captured this rubbish. Rubbish is true and it will have to be disposed of 90%.
    2. Good cat
      Good cat 28 March 2014 11: 15
      +4
      While you were paying taxes, your leadership around the world was selling your entire army, everything better. And I think they will return the so-called trophies to you, I read the post about transporting tanks above. And your tacit consent was because Crimea never was yours. All Soviet times all Ukraine told how Russia eats it, then they rejoiced how they would live without it they swore, well how did you heal
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 11: 51
        +2
        Quote: Good cat
        . And the so-called trophies I think will be returned to you, I read the post on the transportation of tanks above

        Nobody, nothing, will not return anyone that you are small. If the tanks carry, they will protect the dig and not otherwise. What **** would give the tanks to someone who can start a war tomorrow. You will read rumors, then put them out like the last the truth.
    3. Good cat
      Good cat 28 March 2014 11: 18
      -1
      Ahhh forgot, you asked for a minus
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 11: 52
        +1
        Quote: Good cat
        Ahhh forgot, you asked for a minus

        Well, here’s your minus flew-catch.
    4. Lazy
      Lazy 28 March 2014 11: 51
      +1
      Quote: Cristall
      The fact that we did not shoot does not mean that it (the war) was not there. We just didn’t want to shed blood

      Quote: Cristall
      the main reason for success is the unwillingness of Ukrainians to shed blood (and they were obliged to protect by oath)

      That's just the same war - this is the dream of today's authorities in Kiev. For now there will be no one to blame when the grandmothers do not receive pensions and state employees earned money. That's when the war - everything is clear, the Muscovites who attacked us are to blame for everything, as always. Only now there is nothing to fight. You re-read the list of scrap metal that remained there in the Crimea! It is strange that the T-34 and HF are not. Moreover, its intended use will be simply dangerous for the Ukrainian army in the first place. ETOGES are not toys ***!

      As for the trophies, I agree of course. These are not trophies even once. In fact, we returned our own that Ukraine occupied for 23 years (namely, occupation should be recognized after the referendum, when 97% wanted to Russia).
    5. Turkir
      Turkir 28 March 2014 12: 12
      +1
      Not trophies. Enrages me too.
      CRIMEAN PROPERTY must remain in Crimea.
      But another thing pisses me off. And you know WHAT, "true" maiden:
      that the Theft of Crimea itself does not bother you.
      What do you not say that the majority of your army is still composed of Russian officers and soldiers from the South-Eastern regions, and the command posts are occupied by Ukrainians. This can be seen in many frames where orders to your soldiers are given in Russian.
      It infuriates me that you are more concerned about the plus sign on this site, and not the position of YOUR pensioners, it infuriates me that you are busy in these difficult times, only her own
    6. Aleksandr65
      Aleksandr65 28 March 2014 12: 15
      +4
      With the collapse of the USSR, all that remained in Ukraine went to Ukraine. During the separation of the Crimea, all that remained in the Crimea went to the Crimea and is the property of its people. Or Crimea has no right to anything, or they did not pay the same taxes and did not contain the same Ukrainian army? Crimea does not pretend to thousands of tanks, aircraft, etc. in Lviv, Kiev and Rivne? And these are not trophies, I agree with you, this is the property of the people of Crimea. It is up to him. The Ukrainian military in Crimea and many Crimeans themselves, how could they fight with themselves? The rest of the Ukrainian military deserve thanks for the wisdom and understanding of the Crimeans, I agree with you.
    7. dzau
      dzau 28 March 2014 13: 05
      +4
      Quote: Cristall
      Once again I will hear that these are "trophies" - I will assume that our media is right - we were deceived and captured.
      If these are trophies, then there was a war. If there was a war, then we were attacked.
      The fact that we did not shoot does not mean that there was no war. We just didn't want to shed blood - and people like you sit and share the "trophies" and mock!
      Here is my opinion about the behavior of some.
      You yourself sit here and provoke! They took the trophies - look at the prey, however beautiful not a drop of blood is beautiful. What is strange - yes? Only your merit? Do not confess ONLY YOUR merit that the military of Ukraine in the Crimea did not shoot at you and Crimeans? It infuriates me personally when it is all presented as war and the sharing of trophies. I think not one of me.

      But how enrages us that those who write in Russian, think in Russian, live on Russian soil (and such are 4 / 5ths of the territory of what is called "Ukraine"), that is, in fact, our compatriots are the same like us Russians, they write some kind of nonsense about "patriotism", "independence", "occupation", etc., and you have to be truly epic, hopelessly stupid, so as not to understand who would benefit from tearing our country apart and play off each other. And so that, realizing this, to put up with such a gap, and even more so to support it ...

      What they captured and how the 17-year-old Narnia Internet military expressed their opinion on this and that, and on the other hand is the 25th case.

      Hollow out from your own heads delirium about feudal independence and the Black Sea version of Switzerland in the 21st century. Even 10-year-old children in history lessons, in my opinion, are able to understand: a similar scenario in some kind. In 18, if the formation of the same feudal lands like the "Republic of Siberia", "the Republic of the Urals", "the Republic of the Far East" - nothing else but the colonies standing in a knee-elbow position would not give their population.

      This is the perception that it is time to wake up inside Ukraine. As for the Russian one, then - why the hell, sorry, should the rest of the Russian regions look at this particular principality as something exceptional? And to take for granted the separation of huge masses of the population and a huge territory from the general potential, with a logical decrease in the overall ability to normal survival? Because of the show-off of an independent youngster who has already grown up for 25 years, who dreams of "Europe"?

      Moreover, the very fact of the existence of this specific principality was possible only because these territories were once occupied and planned by the Russian state. Not at all in an orphan state like Siberia, but bitten off after centuries of wars.

      And neither Siberia, nor Tatarstan, no Buryatia and the Far East show-off and wishlist about "we want it separately and as in Europe, not a rash" will not appreciate or understand, even if the Americans really decided to build a second FRG and South Korea there.

      For it would be built at the expense of the rest of Russia and - against it, with the indispensable derusification of the region.

      Any sane Russian government, having the will and resources, is simply obliged to return this region - for these are the interests of the entire people. And he returned - will be. And whoever does not rise above his show-off and wishlist to an understanding of common interests, so no one is even going to lisp, clatter and sympathize on the topic "with the fraternal people should be softer" is not even going to. There is no "brotherly people" - there is one people.

      And still these soldiers in the Crimea would shoot at their own ... That is Nehru present it as a feat. Only ki could shoot, either completely losing the remnants of ethnic identity, or selling them for a warm pillow under the ass.

      Good luck in a difficult period. Let's hope it does not last long and everything will work out.
  46. JonnyT
    JonnyT 28 March 2014 11: 07
    +1
    will do)))) a little technique that Assad send ... there is not far)))) or cut into metal ..... all one is resources!
    And the main thing is the enterprises of the military-industrial complex! The modernization of the Black Sea Fleet is coming, and these plants will help it a lot.
  47. Voenruk
    Voenruk 28 March 2014 11: 22
    +1
    It should be so! Crimea is a strategic outpost and it should be Russian! If not us, then the Americans, and this is a direct threat to the south of Russia.
  48. aina01
    aina01 28 March 2014 11: 22
    0
    give a couple of tanks to the right sector, and they will quickly force the egg
  49. Lazy
    Lazy 28 March 2014 11: 26
    0
    At least one BM Oplot would be left! And then one old thing, Soviet times. Of course, it will be advisable to return most of this when normal power is there. What for conflict because of scrap metal and an extra reason for them to give their population Russophobia pump? Cher-met is certainly good, but since they need it, I think that we will return most of it. Although maybe I'm wrong and a matter of principle.
  50. Cristall
    Cristall 28 March 2014 11: 34
    -2
    You see - now everything leads to war. As long as the forces against the war are strong, while the tacit agreement is strong (stop bearing our nonsense it wouldn’t be yours --- there would be a determination - Crimea would rattle with explosions and shots and the world would think that Ukrainians are right) while many believe that Russians did the right thing (that is, Crimeans )
    while all this + the fact that the brotherhood of the people is strong, that's what allowed for the most part not to shed blood and make the transition of Crimea. And not mythical - "not your" something "not your" for more than twenty years ours. And despite the attempts --- every Ukrainian said that the war would be because of him. Now they gave it up peacefully (I repeat, the Ukrainians gave it up themselves and not because it was not "ours") and you behave this way. Well, really. Take it easy. take a cold shower. You are euphoric.
    Ministry of Defense of Ukraine law. In the fleet, I have a strong opinion - this is Ukrainian.
    How will you decide if this is really a precedent! A pile of rubbish will be an excuse for a lapel even for loyal forces. Are you not afraid that in this case there will be a "nationalization" of all Russian in Ukraine?
    Walk along the tip of the knife of provoking conflict; you yourself turn away from yourself loyal people, regions.
    Once again I am convinced now in Ukraine-madness. And only inertia does not allow to start a war. And do not care that there is no army, no weapons, it will be enough for blood.
    And the words "trophies" from your lips convince me that you started a war! Will you ever learn to speak **? Speak without provoking? To speak to the point?
    And for some reason, only one preferred to talk - and the rest are euphoric ....
    Relationship to the Ukrainians is zero. We took advantage of the situation ...
    I have something brutally changed after reading the comments ... earlier I thought that it was necessary to watch the Ukrainian media ... now I understand --- you can read the comments on VO and understand that the Russians really think that they captured the "trophies" and revel in "victory" with joy.
    The trouble .. (D. Bykov)
    1. Afinogen
      Afinogen 28 March 2014 12: 10
      +2
      Quote: Cristall
      You see - now everything leads to war.


      We understand, I’ll only correct it a bit, to the civil war.
      Fascists spread their wings and the authorities (although they themselves have declared themselves as such) are afraid of them and do nothing. I think the southeast of Ukraine will not fall under the Nazis.
    2. Turkir
      Turkir 28 March 2014 12: 33
      +2
      "there would be determination - Crimea would have thundered with explosions and shots" - I have long noticed that the farther the TRUS from the front line, the more bloodthirsty his calls

      In order to have anything solid, such as opinions, you must first have brains. Russia has not recognized the putschists and is not negotiating with them.
      Ukrainian putschists, specifically, Jew Yarosh, demands to go east, to Russia. We are not going to go to Ukraine, we do not have such slogans, decide on the choice of friends.
      Do you specifically agree with Yarosh?
      Decide faster.
    3. Aleksandr65
      Aleksandr65 28 March 2014 12: 43
      0
      Trophies - the wrong definition of property inherited by the Crimea. This is the property of the people of Crimea, just as the property of the Kiev region (which is in Ukraine) is the property of the people of Kiev (well, since Kiev is part of Ukraine, then Ukraine). And the fleet, including Crimean property, since it ended up in Crimea. In turn, the Crimea does not pretend to nuclear power plants, KhTZ, Zaporizhstal and other property, which are also jointly acquired property with Ukraine, which would have to be divided upon divorce? Everything that remained in Crimea, went to Crimea, everything that remained in Ukraine, went to Ukraine. Otherwise, do not redistribute the division: in the event of a division, then give up the twentieth of all the plants, nuclear power plants, power lines, gas pipelines and oil pipelines, etc. and the twentieth of the fleet, too, by the way. This is unrealistic and it is better to leave as it happened, close the question and treat each other with respect
    4. Alll1
      Alll1 28 March 2014 12: 50
      0
      Yes, take your tanks, is it a pity or something, only to whom to give them that? The army disguised itself so that no one sees it, and it is forbidden to let equipment jump on the Maidan.
    5. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 28 March 2014 13: 06
      +5
      I very much agree with Cristall. I have already called in some comments that patriotism should not be confused with "hurray-patriotism", that we should not offend Ukrainian servicemen (and Ukrainians in general), because this may still backfire on us. Understand: Ukrainians, HOW AND WE ARE SLAVS, and not some # at # Meks! Not all Bandera and Western Ukraine are only part of the country! A generation of Russians has grown up in Ukraine who do not know Russia; and many of them consider themselves citizens of Ukraine and NOT WANT to become citizens of Russia And do not confuse a fork with a bottle! The Russian army took TROPHIES from Georgia as a result of clashes (war)! In Crimea, the situation is still different. However, it is impossible to say unequivocally: this is the property of Ukraine and must be given away. Crimea "divorced" Ukraine and took its part of the "family" property, and then transferred this property to another common "family cat". But if it is true that most of this "good" is rubbish, then why should we hold on to it? Maybe it's better to give it back? It will be cheaper, in the end! aloof, not all of the "Crimean" comments turned out to be smart, and witty, and in the business. There was a lot of stupid habits, and even outright rudeness. Understand! Now many Ukrainians adhere to neutrality, but if they "spit" for a long time, they can " swing "to a disadvantageous side for us. Men! Be politically correct!
    6. PSih2097
      PSih2097 28 March 2014 17: 36
      0
      Quote: Cristall
      You see - now everything leads to war. As long as the forces against the war are strong, while the tacit consent is strong (stop bearing our nonsense it wouldn’t be yours --- there would be a determination - Crimea would rattle with explosions and shots and the world would think that Ukrainians are right)

      After watching your TV channels, I came to the conclusion that the war is already underway, someone's ears are cut off, someone is taken away in an unknown direction and shot, dumping into the dug ditches with corpses the number of which, according to your media, already has thousands of people ...