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K.Sokolov: “In the conditions of the beginning of the Russian genocide, Moscow should not flirt with the Kiev authorities”

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K.Sokolov: “In the conditions of the beginning of the Russian genocide, Moscow should not flirt with the Kiev authorities”It can only be a tightening of the position


As if nothing special. Heads of the Russian and Ukrainian Foreign Ministries Sergey Lavrov and Andrei Deshits met on the sidelines of nuclear security summit in The Hague on the sidelines for nuclear security. Talk about the current difficult situation in Ukraine.

And Russian informational tapes, along with Ukrainian ones, give a dry protocol news. But the meeting between the two ministers in the context of the events in Ukraine and the position initially taken by Moscow is nonsense.

There can be no Ukrainian Foreign Minister Andriy Deshyts. There is a legitimate head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Leonid Kozhara, whose dismissal Moscow does not recognize as being committed by an illegitimate authority.

Or has something already changed in Moscow’s position and now you can talk about “Acting President Turchinov” and “Prime Minister Yatsenyuk” without reservations and quotes? For we cannot recognize the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry apart from the entire government. And if we cannot, then with whom did the Russian minister meet?

Although detached talk much easier than acting. Who said that schizophrenia is easy? But somehow, sometimes healthy people have to put up with this fact at the household level. And the dialogue between Russia and Ukraine - even the way it is now - is, of course, inevitable: after all, no one has canceled Russian interests on this peninsula, and they need to be defended in front of someone. But if you only need to agree to an overly symbolic “second-level meeting”, this is a big question. In the end, we have negotiator Vladimir Lukin, who was previously approved by Vladimir Putin. It would be quite logical, he would now look to present the position of Moscow in the ears of the "Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine."

It is not surprising that the US State Department reacted to the very fact of the meeting (in this context its content is already in the background) with an optimistic summary. Department spokeswoman Marie Harf, in particular, said that the United States sees the meeting of the Russian and Ukrainian foreign ministers as a “positive sign”, the readiness of Russia and Ukraine to resolve the crisis in relations.

And on the move, Ms. Harf will not object. It is difficult, after all, to call such a meeting meaningless, even if meaningfully it really turned out to be nothing, as witnessed by the “Minister” Andrei Deshits himself.

Sergei Lavrov didn’t really say anything new to the Ukrainian side, but here’s the very case when the fact of the meeting speaks definitely more than its content. And it is unlikely that there will be much sin against the truth, if you assume that for Kiev the fact of the meeting of his “minister” certainly with Lavrov was much more important than its essence. Approximately how in places of not so remote “untouchables” it is enough just to touch their abuser in order to translate him into his caste.

Of course, in fact scandalous meeting followed and justifying her comments. For example, diplomat, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of the second class, Mikhail Demurin, in an interview with the Free Press noted that “in such difficult, conflict or crisis situations there are always topics for conversation at the level of foreign ministries,” namely, law, border regime, the work of diplomatic missions and so on. However, he also admitted that in this case the autocratic Ukrainian “minister” did not necessarily have to take the time of Sergei Lavrov.

However, at least on the official website of the Russian Foreign Ministry, according to the results of this rendezvous, there was no mandatory press release in such cases.

Konstantin Sokolov:

- The meeting of the Russian and Ukrainian foreign ministers demonstrates a certain change in the position of the Russian side, which did not initially recognize the existing power in Ukraine as legitimate, but now it turns out that it is beginning to recognize it.

It is difficult to say what could have caused such a radical change of position - international pressure, which forced to make certain demonstrative concessions, or something else, but the fact is obvious: the fact of the meeting (regardless of its content) of the Russian foreign minister cases with an illegitimate Ukrainian colleague showed the retreat of the Russian leadership from the previously occupied fundamental positions.

Especially since all this happened in a situation where the Front of National Resistance to Euro-colonization appealed to the heads of state of Russia, China and India, as well as to the United Nations with a request to save Ukraine from the frankly Nazi government that reigned in this state as a result of the coup.

Simply put, the large organizations of our compatriots living in Ukraine called on the world community for help. After all, the recent monstrous events in the Ukrainian regions show more than eloquently that there is a violation of the fundamental rights of citizens, that the new government itself in Ukraine has already crossed a certain line, the point of no return, allowing itself such blatant statements and actions that make it simply illegitimate .

In fact, we can speak about the beginning of the real genocide in Ukraine of Russian citizens, and not only. The new government is ready to take drastic steps to try to take away the Crimea from Russia. Including for this, she is ready to call for the help of foreign mercenaries, there appeared clearly extremist calls for the expansion of military actions in the Crimea (that is, on the territory of Russia).

From my point of view, in such conditions, the position of the Russian Federation can only become tougher, but definitely now it’s impossible to flirt so openly with the authorities now in Kiev.
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  1. Sergg
    Sergg 28 March 2014 18: 23
    +10
    Tough demands of Russia could be expressed at this meeting, and a note of protest was also put forward condemning the oppression of the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine. It turns out soared onto the carpet.
    1. jjj
      jjj 28 March 2014 19: 37
      +7
      There can be no summits and recognition. And Putin asked for working meetings, even at the ministerial level, to continue in the interests of Russia, Russians in Ukraine and Russian speakers. So that’s it
      1. Antor
        Antor 28 March 2014 21: 31
        -1
        Our polites, and we see this for decades, gave up the position of Russia and affirmed among our supposedly Western friends, and sometimes almost strategic, megalomania and the belief that you can do anything with Russia anytime, anytime and only in your interests .
        Working contacts can be with Ukraine, but not at that level. And when we receive the praise of the United States, it means we again "caved in" and what millions of Russian-speaking people in Ukraine and in Russia can really think when our minister meets with one of the cohorts of their oppressors and stranglers-Banderlogov. By this we will legitimize them, we create significance and PR for them - that's the whole polity! And here it is not far to the betrayal of our national interests. Moreover, first we say that we do not recognize any contacts, then I will not be surprised, we also recognize these Nazis as the legitimate authority !?
        The American lobby in our country is not only in NPOs, can our president resist it, especially now, after the Crimea, let’s wait and see! After all, the people trust him that way and God grant him health and patience. Russia must be lifted from its knees and this is already final ours must be polite! Go Russia!!!
  2. Vladimir M.V.
    Vladimir M.V. 28 March 2014 18: 24
    +29
    MULTIC ABOUT UKRAINE AND THE EUROPEAN UNION
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 28 March 2014 18: 28
      +16
      The principle of work of European slavers.


  3. darksoul
    darksoul 28 March 2014 18: 24
    +9
    GDP allowed Shoigu to return Ukraine equipment from ships to aircraft. for me the decision is right, there’s nothing to give a clue because of this trash, let them take it out themselves, but you had to do it when the tension subsides, when the power is established, you can’t throw off so much equipment in hot hands
    1. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather 28 March 2014 19: 06
      +4
      Quote: darksoul
      but it was necessary to do this when tension subsides, when power is established, it is impossible to throw off so much technology in hot hands

      It was necessary to do otherwise. Give back only when Kiev would admit that there was not any kind of power capture of the Crimea. Otherwise, these are legal trophies.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 28 March 2014 19: 11
        +7
        Quote: Native grandfather
        Otherwise, these are legal trophies.

        And what to do with them (trophies)? Dispose of, drown?
        "A woman with a cart - it's easier for a mare."
        1. jjj
          jjj 28 March 2014 19: 39
          +1
          That's right, you need to clear the bases of "trash". Let them think what to do with all this
        2. Alex_Zlat
          Alex_Zlat 28 March 2014 20: 55
          0
          They are worth a lot of money, even in the form of a metalotome!
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 28 March 2014 21: 35
            +1
            Quote: Alex_Zlat
            They are worth a lot of money, even in the form of a metalotome!

            And already lope thereA non-ferrous metal and gold-plated contacts in electronics ... laughing
      2. muks
        muks 28 March 2014 19: 38
        +4
        For. to "do it differently" one has to become the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation. In order to "do otherwise" ..... you just have to do YOUR BUSINESS, putting at least a little reasonable sense into it. Do not indulge the street with its ever-changing whims and remember the general human conditions of dolr and evil. Actually, this is from Gyote .... So that's what I mean - you had to go to Crimea. And to smell, and to look - and only after that define yourself ... There is adequate self-esteem --- what can I? Against the background of permissiveness .... I mean ... How do you get your salary? Or do you cheat on your own both the State and yourself and your hired mouse? DOING YOUR OWN BUSINESS - fuck your leg - WAKE UP, "strategists" and dolboklavishki! It is not a matter to condemn what the PRESIDENT does - all the more in the negative!
      3. AVIATOR36662
        AVIATOR36662 28 March 2014 22: 30
        +1
        These are far from trophies. There were no military or military clashes at all. Like there was no war. So this is the property of another state temporarily located on the territory of Russia. Plus is old. Plus is the image of a kind older brother, which for many was, became, and maybe it will become family again. That is, we look a little further than our own nose. But we still need to look, not everything is brought to the end.
    2. vezunchik
      vezunchik 28 March 2014 19: 30
      -7
      The West put pressure on the pro-American environment of GDP, and, as always, backed away ... First they released the hodor, then the stools were acquitted .... so look and recognize the coup in Ukraine ....
      1. White53
        White53 28 March 2014 20: 09
        +2
        Do not wait !!!
      2. vezunchik
        vezunchik 29 March 2014 10: 50
        +1
        answer to minusers.
        Information on the telephone conversation between Putin and Obama appeared on the website of the President of the Russian Federation. Barack Obama called on President Putin to withdraw Russian troops from the Russian-Ukrainian border in order to avoid further provocations. However, in response, Putin drew the attention of Barack Obama to the ongoing rampant extremists, with impunity, committing acts of intimidation against civilians, government agencies, law enforcement agencies in various regions of Ukraine and in Kiev. In addition, our president drew the attention of the American to the situation with Transnistria, which is currently under blockade, leading to "a significant complication of the living conditions of the region’s inhabitants."
        From these dry lines of official information it can be understood that the withdrawal of troops from the Ukrainian borders may be due to significant concessions from the United States and the European governments under its control and the current Ukrainian authorities. So, “the Russian leader suggested considering the possible steps of the international community to help stabilize the situation.” These steps have not yet been named, but most likely, in the near future a certain “Putin Plan” will appear, from the implementation of which it will depend on how, when and how far the Russian units will be allocated from the Ukrainian borders.
        Thus, Russian troops at the Ukrainian borders are a kind of missile in Cuba during the Caribbean crisis, agreeing to remove which, we at one time made from America meaningful foreign policy concessions.
    3. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
      Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 28 March 2014 20: 47
      +1
      Give scrap. We directly said that the equipment is old and faulty (and if something could still shoot, it will not be there by the time of the transfer). So let them take it. The question is still true in how they will take all this out if the equipment does not go, does not fly and does not float (sorry, does not go)?
    4. Mikros
      Mikros 28 March 2014 20: 55
      0
      Moreover, hemorrhagic with accommodation, maintenance, new basing ... Another blow to the economy)))
  4. konvalval
    konvalval 28 March 2014 18: 24
    +7
    I completely agree with the author of the article. All these good intentions will be interpreted as a kind of concession and recognition of an illegitimate power in Ukraine.
    1. wulf66
      wulf66 28 March 2014 18: 34
      +3
      In The Hague on the margins of the Nuclear Security Summit

      I think that maneuver is possible in matters of nuclear safety. Remember the number of nuclear objects in the hands of the ... bunkers who, if something happens, will not stay there. Otherwise, I absolutely agree with you. But do not swindle.
  5. santush
    santush 28 March 2014 18: 25
    +7
    But the Southeast is waiting for help !!!
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 28 March 2014 18: 33
      +18
      The South-East made a small noise, and scattered home. Russia will certainly help them, but let them do something for their future. You can’t sit and wait for someone to come and do everything for them.
      1. stappler
        stappler 28 March 2014 19: 52
        +2
        - wow, but what did you want the unarmed to go under the bullets ... and so they went for weeks, they broke glasses, people went to the zone like that, and so,
        where is this help ... all ... Crimea took the rest, forget ... and don’t need here la-la
        1. sv68
          sv68 28 March 2014 20: 56
          +2
          HAVE YOU DID NOT TRY IT? THAN PLEASANT BASEBALL BATS MOUNTING FITTINGS ARE THE SAME AND USUAL WEAPON
    2. Vadim12
      Vadim12 28 March 2014 18: 52
      +11
      Crimea made it clear that it needed help. Held a referendum. The South-East is not ready yet, it seems they are thinking of serving time.
    3. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather 28 March 2014 19: 07
      +5
      Quote: santush
      But the Southeast is waiting for help !!!

    4. tolancop
      tolancop 28 March 2014 21: 17
      +3
      He is not waiting for help, but that someone from the outside will come and do "beautifully". And they themselves sit on the fifth point. We only hear about the "weekend" protests. They will walk down the street, pass a resolution, seize knowledge, raise the tricolor and ... go home. The street will be swept, the building will be washed, the tricolor will again be replaced with a chew-blakitny ensign, and the resolution will be wiped off. The steam is off, and okay until next weekend. Yesterday I listened to a miner on the radio who called Vesti-FM. In January, they took part of the salary for the Maidan. They kept silent, the mine is private, if you don't like it - leave, there is nowhere to go .. ". In March, they took a quarter of the salary for the army. They kept silent," the mine is private, if you don't like it, you have nowhere to go. "The presenter asked:" Did you try to go on strike? " ... The answer is still the same: "No, the mine is private, if you don't like it, leave, there is nowhere to go .." Is Russia again to blame?
  6. delfinN
    delfinN 28 March 2014 18: 27
    +26
    They answered for Sevastopol, now the states will answer for the bazaar
    1. -SHADOW-
      -SHADOW- 28 March 2014 18: 53
      +9
      Super movie ... keep it up
    2. Todos
      Todos 28 March 2014 19: 41
      +4
      laughing Great video, uplifting. good
      1. delfinN
        delfinN 28 March 2014 20: 00
        +5
        Here I can advise
  7. Name
    Name 28 March 2014 18: 30
    +11
    It is difficult, but it seems to me inappropriate to discuss Lavrov’s actions, especially since he said he met with Deshits on behalf of the GDP. And the topic of conversation is not known for certain. And the versions will remain so. hi
    1. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather 28 March 2014 19: 18
      +4
      Quote: name
      Lavrov’s actions, especially since he met with Deshits with his words

      Even without glasses looked and read this phrase like this: "... he met with the bottom".
      I thought about it. I read it carefully. Yeah, it seemed. )))) Though... wink
  8. Fess
    Fess 28 March 2014 18: 32
    +8
    It’s not worth it to go too far. We are ready to talk
  9. Deadmen
    Deadmen 28 March 2014 18: 36
    +7
    I don’t think it’s a "stupid concession" cocoa. We just continue our cunning plan. I believe that it exists.
  10. awg75
    awg75 28 March 2014 18: 38
    +11
    I can’t imagine that Putin would negotiate with Turchinov. it’s the same here, only with a lower rank. I’m sure that the driver of the embassy would be suitable for Andrey Deshits ... and even that’s too much honor
    1. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather 28 March 2014 19: 22
      +2
      Quote: awg75
      that the driver of the embassy would be suitable for Andrey Deshits ... and even that is a bit too much of honor

      Yeah, the porter of the assistant driver of the embassy to meet with the Underbody. Or even the embassy driver’s porter’s dog.
  11. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 28 March 2014 18: 38
    +12
    Quote: name
    It is difficult, but it seems to me inappropriate to discuss Lavrov’s actions, especially since he said he met with Deshits on behalf of the GDP. And the topic of conversation is not known for certain. And the versions will remain so. hi

    I’m calm when a person like Lavrov works. It’s inappropriate to discuss the actions of our diplomatic representatives, especially such as Lavrov or Chirkin.
  12. made13
    made13 28 March 2014 18: 38
    +3
    Russia is doomed to contact with illegitimate authorities - there simply is no other in Ukraine. Another thing is that the decisions made by the Maydanopithecists simply need to be ridiculed and expose the representatives of this power as clowns divorced from reality. What are they, in fact, are!
  13. upasika1918
    upasika1918 28 March 2014 18: 39
    +27
    We have not forgotten anything. We remember.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 28 March 2014 19: 31
      +11
      Good guys, isn't it? This photograph, yes Merkel, Obama and many Russian fascists, but on the table. To watch every day, in the morning.

      We are Russians, weeping for this girl as a nurse and for us Russians, she is OUR,
      even if she is from Vinnitsa.
    2. ya.seliwerstov2013
      ya.seliwerstov2013 28 March 2014 19: 34
      +3
      We must try to restrain ourselves. But damn I really want to ask for payment according to the accounts of history, for Our loved ones.
    3. Inok10
      Inok10 28 March 2014 21: 11
      +4
      .. were in Constantinople, were in Ishmael, were in Paris, were in Berlin .. hmm, .. Washington is clearly calling for a visit ..
  14. Rossianin
    Rossianin 28 March 2014 18: 45
    +8
    I agree with the article, it is necessary to adhere to the indicated position and not recognize the legitimacy of the existing government in Ukraine.
    1. nahalenok911
      nahalenok911 28 March 2014 19: 08
      +1
      At any level of POWER. Only not the people.
  15. Stinger
    Stinger 28 March 2014 18: 56
    +5
    I do not know. I do not see any flirting. Moreover, we have refused the intermediaries proposed by the West for contacts with the self-appointed leaders of Ukraine.
  16. buzer
    buzer 28 March 2014 18: 57
    +3
    the old (which is legitimate) government, to put it mildly, "expired ..." power. The new government (which is illegitimate) took power, and quite easily. So who to talk to there ??? There is no point in negotiating with the old. And with the "new" what to do ??? You can't recognize them, you can't communicate ??? The ministerial meeting is rather out of hopelessness. It is unlikely that the Ukrainian minister demanded from Lavrov immediate recognition of his "legitimacy" ...
  17. Gagarin
    Gagarin 28 March 2014 19: 02
    +12
    Lavrov pros of the highest brand.
    Once the meeting was - sure so better.
  18. mabuta
    mabuta 28 March 2014 19: 06
    +4
    Lavrov is not a person who changes principles. In this situation, the Minister of the junta brings the opinion of Moscow on what is happening in Ukraine. At the same time, the boundaries are indicated, which can be followed by harsh measures. Meeting in this situation, during a rampant reaction against the southeast, is very timely The Russian Foreign Ministry does not take rash steps, and it has proved this.
  19. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 28 March 2014 19: 06
    +5
    I do not think that this meeting is evidence of a concession to impostors. After all, the authorities and psychologists are negotiating with the gangsters who have taken people hostage, in order to safely release the hostages, or at least minimize the losses. So it’s rather correct that they are negotiating.
  20. parus2nik
    parus2nik 28 March 2014 19: 09
    +8
    You can recognize this power as not legitimate, but if the opportunity arises, subtly hinting at thick circumstances, it’s necessary .. And wait a moment to yell about the genocide of the Russian people .. When the Maidan began, why didn’t the Southeast come up ... you saw that it was replaced go black gray ..? So why .. didn’t we disperse? Perhaps it will cost? It did not go away .. Then the most unpleasant thing is .. Wait for the GDP to come and protect everyone, and you will protect the GDP from shots in the back ..? I’m not sure .. it was .. Unfortunately, now the question is posed as either Ukraine exists as it exists and it will continue to be worse or you rise, collect the New Maidan, the second Pereyaslav Rada and Russia forever, without any Ukraine, and Odessa Federal District, Carpathian, etc. And so protect Russia, and we would like to separate from Russia .. or you include the genetic memory that we are all Russian and we have the same roots .. or one of two .. Unfortunately so ..
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 28 March 2014 20: 00
      +1
      Quote: parus2nik
      Odessa Federal District,

      And why the Russian Federation Odessa and the region. It seems subsidized, and even live on a shovel for more than 100 nationalities .... wink
      Unfortunately you are right - we want somewhere, somewhere against. This is called we want in the Russian Federation, but the right of pride. Something like this. Here you can compare the entry into the association - I am going to slavery, but then I am invited with honorable words.
      When Maidan began, SE worked, the situation if SE stops working Ukraine will not be necessary for anyone.
      That smiled today the story of one drove. (so office, Odessa)
      Like in the Crimea, people do not know where to pay for loans, banks of Ukraine
      evacuated.
      So what to do?
      -Ukraine offers to sell debt obligations ex. citizens.
      -But Vovchik rejected ..
      Immediately an exclamation - but let us also ......
      1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
        Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 28 March 2014 21: 06
        +2
        What more words do you want from Russia? For a little over 20 years, they plundered the heritage of the Great Country, first allowed thieves, and then fascists to power, constantly beg for some concessions! What, Russia should flow in front of you; "Wouldn't you be so kind to accept from us 10-15 billion of greens, gas for free and all the preferences ... and scold us, abuse us in every possible way, threaten to impale, kill, turn into nuclear dust, we are all from We will endure you. "But won't there be much honor? You don’t want and don’t need to. A woman with a cart - it's easier for a mare!
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 28 March 2014 21: 30
          +1
          Quote: Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
          A woman with a cart - the mare is easier!

          Such a woman with a cart, a mare crosses herself.
  21. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 28 March 2014 19: 19
    +4
    Under the circumstances, he would propose that Putin be appointed Responsible for pursuing a policy towards the West — Zhirinovsky, with all power and responsibility transferred to him. Maybe this will sober up the liberals, but the other side will understand and speak out not in unison with the United States, but in the interests of their country and finally take a realistic position, because everyone has already got the dictates of the survivors to insanity — their time is up. Well, no one accused Russia of returning thanks.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 28 March 2014 20: 23
      +1
      Are you sure that Zhirinovsky is not a protege of the West or the South?
      He spent his campaign for president as a company with the German ambassador.
      1. Ivan 63
        Ivan 63 28 March 2014 20: 57
        0
        To begin with, I would call myself a Russian name. And I'm sure in Zhirinovsky, I have known him since 1992. Although at this time I do not agree with his anti-Stalinist and anti-socialist statements, because in Russia a symbiosis of socialism with a powerful private sector (small and medium business) is simply necessary. Please understand that capitalism imposed on us is nothing more than the last attempt of the West to "eat from within "the only obstacle to his establishment of dominion over the World (at our expense) on the eve of the complete collapse of capital and, accordingly, the establishment of neo-fascist rule not yet seen in history, in comparison with which any slave system will seem childish.
        1. andrewvlg
          andrewvlg 29 March 2014 00: 19
          +2
          Quote: Ivan 63
          To begin with, I would call myself a Russian name. And I'm sure in Zhirinovsky, I know him since 1992.

          We all know Vladimir Volfovich (with a very Russian patronymic). As a competitor to M. Galkin and Petrosyan in the State Duma. I don’t understand how people, seeing his clownish antics and antics, can vote for the Liberal Democratic Party.
      2. Ivan 63
        Ivan 63 28 March 2014 20: 57
        0
        To begin with, I would call myself a Russian name. And I'm sure in Zhirinovsky, I have known him since 1992. Although at this time I do not agree with his anti-Stalinist and anti-socialist statements, because in Russia a symbiosis of socialism with a powerful private sector (small and medium business) is simply necessary. Please understand that capitalism imposed on us is nothing more than the last attempt of the West to "eat from within "the only obstacle to his establishment of dominion over the World (at our expense) on the eve of the complete collapse of capital and, accordingly, the establishment of neo-fascist rule not yet seen in history, in comparison with which any slave system will seem childish.
  22. shelva
    shelva 28 March 2014 19: 34
    +4
    Journalists with corrupt political scientists out of habit made an elephant out of a fly. They didn’t sign anything, they didn’t agree on anything, and what does the "second level meeting" have to do with it? Russia still does not recognize the existing power of Ukraine as legal.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 28 March 2014 19: 44
      +2
      Quote: shelva
      Russia still does not recognize the existing government of Ukraine as legal.

      Yes ... There are things that need to be "whispered in the ear", without publicity ...
  23. Cristall
    Cristall 28 March 2014 19: 51
    +5
    Quote: Grandfather Native
    these are legal trophies.

    trophies of war? then the power grab was ...
    there were no trophies, returned, so it was amicable.
    Casuistry is simple, I will be glad if the GDP understands that trash should not be an obstacle to the goal.
  24. typhoon7
    typhoon7 28 March 2014 20: 00
    +2
    Welcome all. Watching the news, amerovskie Cheka is already operating in the south-east of Ukraine, and even a video was shown. It turns out that these stoned Yankees are involved in punitive operations on Slavic lands, if this is true, then this is already too much, I hope that this is not so, but the footage shows names like shops in Ukrainian. It seems that Yanyk's speeches are a call to the GDP to the southeast of Ukraine to be proactive. Putin cannot just bring in troops like that, not everything is so simple, now everyone is looking at who will be the aggressor and who will be the liberator, therefore, the current owners of Kiev are trying not to give Russia a reason to send troops, they just quietly knock out the activists ... The will of the people is needed, but "I only hope so far" is not there. When they invite NATO members, things will be much more complicated.
  25. Bargus
    Bargus 28 March 2014 20: 15
    +3
    Shoigu was correctly ordered to clean his native house, negative after not not negligent guests, am and let the garbage be taken away; there is nothing to litter the yard. hi
  26. Turkir
    Turkir 28 March 2014 20: 20
    +2
    Moscow should not flirt with anyone and inside the country. And put the southern borders on the castle.
    This is especially true of the North Caucasus.
  27. Inok10
    Inok10 28 March 2014 20: 22
    +4
    As if nothing special. Heads of the Russian and Ukrainian Foreign Ministries Sergey Lavrov and Andrei Deshits met on the sidelines of nuclear security summit in The Hague on the sidelines for nuclear security. Talk about the current difficult situation in Ukraine.
    And Russian informational tapes, along with Ukrainian ones, give dry protocol news. But the meeting between the two ministers in the context of the events taking place in Ukraine and the position initially taken by Moscow is nonsense.

    from a purely personal understanding of diplomacy, I suppose an ultimatum was issued there and the consequences were clearly explained in case of not accepting it, in another case Lavrov (who has never changed his position before) just for this "talk" with "it is not clear who, but in a jacket "but presented as acting. Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine and would not agree .. that means it was necessary to convey to the opponent in a private personal conversation "theses" and so that the ears of "great democracy" and "united gayrope" would not spin around ..
  28. parus2nik
    parus2nik 28 March 2014 20: 44
    +1
    Quote: Cristall
    And why the Russian Federation Odessa and the region. It seems subsidized, and even live on a shovel for more than 100 nationalities ....

    Well, here it is .. you don’t need a small-town .. nationalities, subsidized .. This is not about that .. Look more globally, some states break up, or disappear because the time has come, other states are reborn ..
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 29 March 2014 15: 38
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      Well, for some reason I do not want to ask Kazan for an orphan back.
      In general, despite the fact that under the USSR he lived only 9 years, this foundation was enough to feel the global nature of what is happening. I still have a feeling of 1/6 land (excuse me, but the Soviet education instilled a sense of pride in the homeland)
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  29. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
    Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 28 March 2014 21: 15
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    Put article minus. Lavrov did not flirt with anyone and a meeting with the so-called acting Minister was neither de jure nor de facto recognition of the Kiev junta. The position of Russia was expressed clearly, specifically, and did not allow a double interpretation. Lavrov is a highly professional diplomat, knows what he is doing, and does only for the good of Russia.
  30. uzer 13
    uzer 13 28 March 2014 21: 18
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    ["In the context of the outbreak of Russian genocide, Moscow should not flirt with the Kiev authorities"]

    This is a good title of the article. If you add that you shouldn’t especially stand on with the freaks and give them a good kick on the head, then it will be absolutely right.
  31. Tulip
    Tulip 28 March 2014 22: 20
    +1
    The new government is ready to take drastic steps to try to take the Crimea from Russia.

    Ports will tear.
  32. voliador
    voliador 28 March 2014 22: 39
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    It is difficult to call such a meeting meaningless, even if it really turned out to be nothing meaningful, as the "Minister" Andrey Deshits testified.

    Xoxliks go out of their way to show their legitimacy. In this regard, they think that since they met with them, then they recognized. A horseradish bald!
  33. Papania
    Papania 29 March 2014 05: 17
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    Why did they send Lavrov to the meeting that there aren’t enough clerks in the Foreign Ministry? Something they darken guys.
  34. Cristall
    Cristall 29 March 2014 15: 41
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    Quote: Tulip
    The new government is ready to take drastic steps to try to take the Crimea from Russia.

    Ports will tear.

    maybe portkey? smile
    harness for a long time of course. There was a time when the Crimean scenario could be turned all over SE.