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Allied agenda: what the mass support of society means and how dangerous

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Allied agenda: what the mass support of society means and how dangerous



The Kazakhstan Institute for Strategic Studies conducted a republican survey on the topic of the attitude of the citizens of Kazakhstan to Eurasian integration. So, the idea of ​​entering the next level of integration - the creation of the Eurasian Economic Union - supports 85% of Kazakhstanis. Against - 7,5%. The numbers speak for themselves and do not require comments.

In principle, by itself, this opinion poll means nothing. However, opinion polls are the only way to understand anything about society. And even elections from this point of view are rather a large-scale sociological poll, rather than a distributor of power. And the results of such surveys are more accurately analyzed in the context of other social phenomena.

So, what important processes can be observed in society?

Trust of the Union

A referendum in far Gagauzia on joining the Customs Union showed more than 90-percent support for the Eurasian course. And in fact, the Gagauz opposed the official course of European integration of Chisinau, which in itself is an act.

Now we see total support for the entry into Russia by the residents of the Crimea and Sevastopol.

If we abstract away from specific questions in bulletins and questionnaires, then we can see a phenomenon of this order: the driving forces in society are concentrated in one point - the course towards the Union. At the same time, the allied focus does not depend on the ethno-historical origin of the citizens: whether it is Russian from Sevastopol, Kazakh from Astana, Gagauz from Comrat or Crimean Tatar from Bakhchisarai.

Support for the course on the Union - is an assembly point for a citizen from anywhere in our part of Eurasia. For most citizens, certainly, but not for all. But, judging by sociology and referendums, opponents are an overwhelming minority. Consequently, their position should be taken into account, but can be taken out of the brackets. Because we are dealing with mass support for the course on the Union, regardless of national citizenship.

The support of the overwhelming majority is a carte blanche from society on the course of the states of the union core to Eurasian integration. The mobilization of public opinion is always evidence of readiness for overstretching and jerk. This is an indication that society is already in this state. And if the state does not correspond to such a society, it can break it.

The credit given by society to the state in the form of total support always requires payment on bills. The mass support of the Emperor of All-Russia after joining the First World War literally four years later turned into the same mass discontent. And the result of a cardinal change in the vector of public opinion was precisely the inconsistency of the state with society. Society passed through the trials of the shameful war with Japan, the revolution of 1905, the bloody First World War. And the state played in the trifles of parliamentarism, multi-party system, court cronyism and the "European choice."

The fact is that the total support of society is a double-edged political resource. Every political mistake can turn into a massive disappointment. Therefore, the state needs a clear understanding of how to work with a new type of society.

In a common future can not go in different ways

So, the phenomenon of public credibility to the state can and should become an impulse for the society itself. Because the dependent position - “we vote for power, and the power should make us happy with victories” - is clearly a thing of the past.

Today it is obvious that the existing level of consumption is not only impossible to maintain, but also not necessary. Total lending has led to the fact that we are consumers of brands, the cost of which is made up of the cost of production and advertising and intermediary expenses. In some sectors of production it reaches the point that the advertising and intermediary component amounts to 70% of the cost.

By the way, the phenomenon of the post-Soviet "kickback", sometimes reaching 50%, is also based on the logic of the consumer economy model. The official turns into a brand manager and an intermediary between the entrepreneur and the state. As is the case with the consumption of brands, we are dealing with a clear overestimation of the intermediary component.

All this would be a speculative theorization, if it did not specifically affect daily life. So, any builder-entrepreneur of the average hand can calculate the corruption component in a square meter of a particular house.

Therefore, the consumer model of the economy (and, accordingly, of society) will have to change. For the simple reason that if the state does not transform the consumer society, the consumer society will transform the state. What is it fraught with? Moldavian, Ukrainian and Kyrgyz examples before our eyes.

So, what we have in the dry residue:

- The state received a loan from society in the form of mass support for the “course towards the Union”;

- such support is observed regardless of national jurisdiction (Kazakhstan, Crimea, Gagauzia);

- society is overstressed and waiting for the actions of the state.

The next move is for the state. There are quite a few strategies of state behavior in this situation. But all of them in one way or another boil down to the fact that society is necessary in such a state:

- Allied goal;

- collective action towards this goal.

And if the state is able to respond to society on these two simple requests, then such a state is guaranteed to stand in the new phase of the World War. Which literally the other day turned 15 years - since the beginning of the first bombardment of Yugoslavia by NATO troops.
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  1. Monk
    Monk 28 March 2014 14: 10
    +8
    Eurasian Economic Community - stability and prosperity of Eurasia.
    1. Canep
      Canep 28 March 2014 14: 27
      +29
      There is Finland, there is Mongolia, but they forgot to draw Alaska on the map laughing
      Quote: Monk
      Eurasian Economic Community - stability and prosperity of Eurasia.
      I think it’s not for this that an alliance is being created, not in order to lie on the couch and drink beer staring at House-2 by the box. Due west, you need to get what is due, for the collapse of the USSR, for rewriting history, for whitening fascism, and much more for that.
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. matross
        matross 28 March 2014 14: 59
        +13
        Quote: Canep
        I think not for this the union is being created

        Quote: Canep
        Behind the West, you need to get

        Well, certainly not for taking out debts from the West. Small goal.
        I think, roughly, to build a fair and strong community, as an alternative to Western rot. If we build this - the debts will be returned voluntarily, they will cry and ask us.
        1. Canep
          Canep 28 March 2014 15: 12
          +4
          Any alliance is created to confront some enemy, NATO was created against the USSR, the Warsaw Pact was against NATO, the European Union was against the USA, etc. The need for a union arises only in the presence of a strong adversary.
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          2. matross
            matross 28 March 2014 15: 42
            +4
            Quote: Canep
            Any union is created to confront some kind of enemy

            You can’t argue with that! To confront the West, its pseudo-culture, pseudo-democracy, pseudo-economy. To counter the real false.
            Well, so that the Middle Eastern brethren, too, did not lose the coast wink
          3. Revolver
            Revolver 28 March 2014 18: 12
            +1
            Quote: Canep
            Any union is created to confront some kind of enemy

            You have no idea how right you are. Even in a purely human relationship, how easy friendship is against someone and how much more complicated friendship is just like that. And there is nothing to say about international relations.
            "no eternal friends, no eternal enemies, there are eternal interests"* - how accurately said!

            * © Henry John Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston
      3. Siberian19
        Siberian19 28 March 2014 20: 02
        +7
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/264/mjzz465.jpg
    2. Max otto
      Max otto 28 March 2014 14: 48
      +6
      No! I am against the Balts, then they will again whine that they were forcibly civilized. let them rummage through their farms.
      1. Canep
        Canep 28 March 2014 14: 59
        +7
        Quote: Max Otto
        No! I am against the Balts

        I am also opposed, but they are already moving to Europe, soon they will not be left there at all.
        1. iConst
          iConst 28 March 2014 16: 43
          +1
          Quote: Canep
          I am also opposed, but they are already moving to Europe, soon they will not be left there at all.

          Gee, who will live there?
          1. Strezhevsky
            Strezhevsky 28 March 2014 20: 00
            +3
            Hto hto, Rusich and will remain without any questions; referendum and home, what’s there to roll cotton drinks
        2. StolzSS
          StolzSS 30 March 2014 18: 49
          0
          Yes, let them tumble down our geyropu from our land))) hi
      2. iConst
        iConst 28 March 2014 16: 42
        +4
        Quote: Max Otto
        No! I am against the Balts, then they will again whine that they were forcibly civilized. let them rummage through their farms.

        Well, they revised their opinion a bit. Only they do not confess aloud.

        And if they themselves are asked - from each subscription and to the archive.
      3. polite people
        polite people 28 March 2014 17: 01
        +6
        No, we will do everything ourselves.
  2. Coffee_time
    Coffee_time 28 March 2014 14: 11
    +4
    States with literate wise politicians will nevertheless come closer and create an alliance, or they will face the death of the state and the loss of sovereignty. Moreover, it will be necessary to take into account and reckon with the opinion of all members of the union on an equal footing.
  3. Committee
    Committee 28 March 2014 14: 13
    +3
    And the Kazakhs at the UN Assembly as a strange vote.
    1. Beibit
      Beibit 28 March 2014 14: 38
      +13
      100 - for, 11 - against, 58 - abstained. In theory, if approached correctly. If someone abstained, it means he is from the Russian Federation. It’s just being done so that the West does not create unnecessary problems. so: 100 vs 69.
      1. Niki
        Niki 28 March 2014 16: 20
        +1
        There are still some who have not voted at all. Those. not participated in the vote.
        And further, if someone took part, entered the hundred, but doesn’t do anything else on this issue - where to put such a voice pickup?
    2. Canep
      Canep 28 March 2014 14: 44
      +4
      Quote: Committee
      And the Kazakhs at the UN Assembly as a strange vote.

      The Kazakhs somehow abstained. I do not agree with this, but Elbasy decided so.
      1. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ 28 March 2014 16: 54
        +7
        Quote: Canep
        The Kazakhs somehow abstained. I do not agree with this, but Elbasy decided so.

        The National Academy of Sciences and VVP call up more often than I do with my brothers. I think Kazakhstan's "abstinence" was agreed. Belarus has been under sanctions for a long time, Russia is also threatened, and somewhere they are already imposing sanctions. It turns out that Kazakhstan remains the CU's window to foreign markets. I think so, I could be wrong.
      2. Zymran
        Zymran 28 March 2014 18: 36
        +3
        Elbasy, even though he did not bend under Putin.
        1. Canep
          Canep 28 March 2014 19: 58
          +3
          Quote: Zymran
          Elbasy, even though he did not bend under Putin.

          I think Putin did not demand this, it just happened that Russia is the only possible strategic ally for Kazakhstan. In the event of aggravation of relations, no one will come to Kazakhstan's aid because it is physically impossible. But first of all, China will want to chop off a piece, and Uzbekistan and Russia itself will not disdain, Kazakhstan will simply cease to exist. Therefore, Elbasy has no choice with whom to be friends. And it’s very expensive to guard the entire 7000 km long border. One outpost (100 people) can cover no more than 50 km of the border 7000/50 = 140 outposts 140 * 100 = 14000 personnel only border. Having and still the same security, all the armed forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan are about 100000 people, note this is only the border of the Republic of Kazakhstan and RF It is much cheaper to have this border open, and Kazakhstan and Russia to be allies.
          1. marshes
            marshes 28 March 2014 20: 24
            +2
            Quote: Canep
            . One outpost (100 people) can cover no more than 50 km of the border 7000/50 = 140 outposts 140 * 100 = 14000 personnel only border. Having and still the same amount of security, all the Armed Forces of the RK about 100000 people, note this only

            Where did you see an outpost of 100 people? Usually 30 people, a platoon in "Shurupan" style, the line may be 50 km, but it all depends on the geography, engineering equipment, visual control, etc. It is beneficial for the Russian Federation to fence off us smile rather than us ... smile There, the Chinese generally only visually guard the border, but mostly at checkpoints. smile
            Something about the Iskanders at our borders, no one remembers.
            1. Canep
              Canep 29 March 2014 06: 20
              +1
              I am not a border guard, 100 people are a company and a company commander is a captain, an outpost commander is also a captain.
              Quote: marshes
              It is beneficial for Russia to fence itself off from us.

              The Russian Federation is not fencing itself off from us, but from narcotic drugs from Afghanistan. If we stop all the nonsense on our border, then Russia does not make any sense to keep border guards along the Kazakhstan border.
      3. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 28 March 2014 23: 19
        +3
        Quote: Committee
        And the Kazakhs at the UN Assembly as a strange vote.
        And we did the right thing ... Otherwise, we will legitimize the conditional, analogous referendum on the northeast / K. RK it is necessary?
        If the Russian Federation needs to "baigovat" with the United States, this is their business, but it only reminds me of a joke:
        Khrushchev speaks at the Kirov factory:
          - We, comrades, will soon not only catch up, but overtake America!
          The worker says:
          - We, Nikita Sergeevich, agree to catch up with America. Only it would not be necessary to overtake.
          - And why?
          - Naked ass will be visible!
    3. Kasym
      Kasym 28 March 2014 18: 13
      +3
      Alexey (Committee), hello! Nazarbayev (NAS) in The Hague gave a speech to journalists. Now the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry is scribbling notes in our Foreign Ministry.
      http://news.mail.ru/inworld/kazakhstan/politics/17539379/
      "The meetings with the leaders of the EU countries and America in The Hague were held on their initiative." Kazakhstan is a reserve negotiating and trading platform if tough trade sanctions are adopted between the Russian Federation and the West. The export goods of Kazakhstan and Russia are practically the same - energy, metals, grain. The actions of Kazakhstan are similar to those of the Republic of Kazakhstan during the events of 08.08.08 in South Ossetia. hi
  4. Not angry
    Not angry 28 March 2014 14: 17
    +10
    No matter how they would like, but our peoples have lived together for centuries, sharing defeat and victory, grief and joy.
    The elite was changing, trying to quarrel us, while at the same time at the household level we remained a place regardless of citizenship. As history has shown for 20 years, it would not be enough to erase it. As well as the fact that we were for Western countries and remain second-class people, they are smiling not for us but for our money. After all, it is their god (money).
  5. Vi_RUS
    Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 14: 20
    +1
    read, read and nifiga did not understand what the author wanted to convey request
    1. habalog
      habalog 28 March 2014 14: 33
      +9
      The author subtly hinted that a society united by an idea or aspiration should be guided. Not every leader can do it.

      In the article I saw an important thesis - a bell: we have grown from the current model of existence and want to expand the boundaries of opportunities. On this wave, it is possible to overcome the impossible and to accomplish the unimaginable.
    2. maximus235
      maximus235 28 March 2014 15: 42
      +2
      Everything is simple. And what did YOU do for your country ?!
  6. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 28 March 2014 14: 29
    0
    Quote: Vi_RUS
    read, read and nifiga did not understand what the author wanted to convey

    "people and party are one"))))
  7. zz2003_1974
    zz2003_1974 28 March 2014 14: 33
    +4
    It is necessary to launch the Russian Spring for the entire former USSR !!! Now work on it!
  8. Grbear
    Grbear 28 March 2014 14: 34
    +2
    As for the Union and overstrain, the author got excited. For Russia, the Union, in the author’s presentation, is unbearable, and not needed. Everyone wanted sovereignty - received and played enough. But Russia is not the same, pragmatism in foreign relations has become a principle.

    Another would be to "screw up" the brains of your oligarchs, officials and "liberals" - then you can think about unions. In the meantime, let future allies earn trust. "And nothing personal" hi
    1. mvg64
      mvg64 28 March 2014 15: 31
      +1
      I agree with the author. Our oligarchs and officials are "too far from the people" sad
  9. NORTH
    NORTH 28 March 2014 14: 37
    +3
    It's nice to look at such a card)))
  10. FlyEngine
    FlyEngine 28 March 2014 14: 40
    +1
    And why do we need Mongolia?
  11. Name
    Name 28 March 2014 14: 46
    +1
    On March 1 of 2014 of the year it will go down in Russian history textbooks, maybe it gives a pathos, but the very national idea appeared - to revive the greatness of Russia, and as a result strengthen the Eurasian Union ... hi
  12. via75
    via75 28 March 2014 14: 47
    +2
    In principle, this poll itself does not mean anything.

    this poll means a lot. Even the fact of such a statement of the question means a lot.
    So everyone walked on their own. And we and our former union republics. And the simple truth became clear-
    nobody in the world needs each of us in wealth and health. They need us destitute and broken.
    And the people see this, there are examples. A vivid example of Bulgaria. Both in NATO and in the EU, and even they themselves buy pepper.
  13. mabuta
    mabuta 28 March 2014 15: 26
    +2
    The fact that the Eurasian Economic Community is not sweeping by leaps and bounds suggests that the union is being built by sober-minded people who do not spoil the fever. And I think the community has a good future.
  14. kelevra
    kelevra 28 March 2014 15: 36
    0
    The author was too clever! It was necessary to write more readily, the pros and cons of the Eurasian Union, it was even possible to describe which country would benefit, which not so much. What would this give to the general economy of the world. Half of the articles I should have while reading the abstruse expressions and somehow everything is blurry! In general, the Eurasian Union, or rather its concept, is thought out very competently. The problem is one and very big, the former union states are afraid to join it and actively develop it for the simple reason that in the end it will turn back in the likeness of the Soviet Union.
  15. Michael KG
    Michael KG 28 March 2014 15: 47
    +1
    Many thanks to the author, the article is good.
    Loved the title "There is no way to go to a common future"
    It is a pity that few understand this.
    For my part, many residents of Kyrgyzstan, let's say, misunderstand such a phenomenon as the country's entry into the CU, for them it is a "collapse" of their way of existence. Everything from the fact that the country only lives off buy and sell, and the service sector, there are no more or less important industries in the republic.
    Everything basically rests on small and medium-sized businesses, and then this business is often aimed at the local buyer.
    The prospect of the country's continued existence is especially inconspicuous, the government is not itching to change something, and the masses are usually content with the small.
  16. Signaller
    Signaller 28 March 2014 15: 51
    +2
    Yes, it’s just that something has become with our memory, something that has already been completely forgotten.
    March 17, 1991-referendum in the USSR about where you want to live. ??? The overwhelming majority of the people said in the USSR. So what??? GKChP and coup overturned everything. Therefore, we must recall this referendum now and return everything to sleep. Though after 23 years. Personal opinion. I do not impose.
  17. Anatoly39
    Anatoly39 28 March 2014 16: 25
    +1
    In the end, the West itself will die (fagots, tolerance, etc.) We will fight with radical Muslims. Theirs is already complete Europe.
  18. Voenruk
    Voenruk 28 March 2014 16: 26
    0
    A tedious little article, I almost fell asleep. What are the real steps and where to move on? Well, we will create this Eurasian Union, only Russia will again pull the strap for everyone, although the idea is good. In the meantime, the former republics are in poverty. If they want to join the union, let them attract our business, and not wait for subsidies. We also do not need poor relatives.
  19. Nyx
    Nyx 28 March 2014 16: 38
    0
    Quote: matRoss
    Quote: Canep
    Any union is created to confront some kind of enemy

    You can’t argue with that! To confront the West, its pseudo-culture, pseudo-democracy, pseudo-economy. To counter the real false.
    Well, so that the Middle Eastern brethren, too, did not lose the coast wink

    Western pseudo-culture? are you conscious brother
    pseudoculture is just that in asia.
  20. Nikita_Pilot
    Nikita_Pilot 28 March 2014 16: 39
    +1
    Well, just like Vanga said “Bulgaria will become part of Russia again.” It remains only to implement the other part of the prediction to become a superpower and squeeze Alaska.
  21. twin22
    twin22 28 March 2014 16: 45
    +1
    Standard welcome. Move a controversial assumption (in this case, about the beyond support of the course towards integration), and then draw some conclusions on this.
    As a result: what assumptions are such and conclusions. The practical value in them is zero.

    It is unlikely that one can speak of great support for entering the CU from the population of Georgia, Azerbaijan and Ukraine
  22. Free Island
    Free Island 28 March 2014 17: 10
    +1
    gentlemen, comrades, in general, colleagues and just fellow countrymen, compatriots, and so on ... I will write a commentary on all articles for today at once and here. Such a crazy thought and peace crept into my head, tsuko does not give ... but in the best Russian traditions in all major wars it is customary for us to drive the enemy home to the hut ... The frogs were driven, the Fritzes were driven ... I feel that Crimea, Transnistria, well, let's say even Alaska - all this will not be the end point, the mad fascist West will stop only when our flag is raised in Washington at the White House ........ with humor - from there then the reality show "White House-2" I would watch with pleasure)))
  23. Nyx
    Nyx 28 March 2014 17: 37
    0
    I am more interested in hearing about "pseudo-culture" from this intellectual.
  24. Tulip
    Tulip 28 March 2014 17: 55
    0
    For the simple reason that if the state does not transform the consumer society, then the consumer society transforms the state for itself.

    It is worth agreeing with this remark. Because the lower classes do not want to live in the old way, and if the upper classes cannot manage in a new way, they will be swept away. Old as life is truth.
  25. konvalval
    konvalval 28 March 2014 18: 07
    0
    Unfortunately, rulers do not always reckon with the opinions of their subjects, but think more about their own skin. What happens with this, ask Yanyka.
  26. Monk
    Monk 28 March 2014 18: 09
    0
    Quote: matRoss
    Quote: Canep
    I think not for this the union is being created

    Quote: Canep
    Behind the West, you need to get

    Well, certainly not for taking out debts from the West. Small goal.
    I think, roughly, to build a fair and strong community, as an alternative to Western rot. If we build this - the debts will be returned voluntarily, they will cry and ask us.


    I support .. no need to think in terms of debts, revenge and so on, you need to look to the future and think about the prosperity of the country, including as part of the Eurasian Economic Community
  27. Zymran
    Zymran 28 March 2014 18: 37
    +4
    The Kazakhstan Institute for Strategic Studies conducted a republican survey on the attitude of citizens of Kazakhstan to Eurasian integration. So, the idea of ​​reaching the next level of integration - the creation of the Eurasian Economic Union - is supported by 85% of Kazakhstanis. Against - 7,5%. The figures speak for themselves and do not require comments.


    Comments are required, namely: the figures are extremely doubtful.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 28 March 2014 19: 28
      +4
      KISI seemed to be placing more or less adequate materials, but something painfully falls out. Stat.data I think a bit far-fetched (like, like the 95% vote for the NAS in the elections). Among Kazakhs, for the union in the older generation, 50 to 50, among youth, support for the union is less than half (at least in the south). In the Russian-speaking environment, support for the union is closer to 90%. Of course, I am far from sociological bureaus, but such a picture has emerged from personal communication.
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  28. Demon0n
    Demon0n 29 March 2014 07: 51
    0
    Not too early Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Georgia (the list can be continued) entered the Eurasian Union? Maybe it's more critical to look at reality? Otherwise, schizophrenia is not far away.
  29. Cristall
    Cristall 29 March 2014 17: 30
    0
    damn it, and recently there was an opinion that all of Ukraine will be in the CU after the Moscow agreements ... but wait ..