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Military-technical cooperation between Russia and Ukraine: to keep or refuse?

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As a result of the events of recent months, relations between Russia and Ukraine have deteriorated significantly. Various unfriendly statements are made and continue to appear and a variety of decisions are made. The possible cessation of cooperation between the two states in the economic sphere can be considered a completely plausible scenario. First of all, in such a case, military technical cooperation, which has firmly linked the industry of the two countries over the past decades, should cease. Indeed, threats to cease military-technical cooperation may prove to be a convenient tool for exerting pressure on a neighboring state, but breaking such mutually beneficial cooperation will have consequences for both parties.


Military-technical cooperation between Russia and Ukraine: to keep or refuse?


20 March, a meeting of Russian officials with military attaches of several foreign countries. During this event, a number of important statements were made, demonstrating the position of official Moscow on the issue of continuing or ending military-technical cooperation with Ukraine. The head of the Committee of the Federation Council on Defense and Security, V. Ozerov, made it very clear that Russia does not intend to sever existing ties with Ukraine. Moreover, he stressed that at the key moment of the current crisis, Russian President V. Putin ordered to continue interaction with Ukrainian partners, including in the military-technical sphere. Ozerov noted that Russia is interested in such cooperation and expressed the hope that the Ukrainian side is also interested in it.

Thus, Russia is not going to be the initiator of a break in military-technical cooperation. This takes into account the possibility that the joint work of the defense enterprises of the two countries will be terminated due to the relevant decisions of the official Kiev. Deputy Minister of Defense Y. Borisov said he did not know which side would suffer great losses in case of termination of cooperation. The Deputy Minister believes that the Ukrainian authorities, by choosing the path of destroying the economic ties between the two countries, will punish themselves, and in addition will harm their own people. Y. Borisov believes that the long-established production and economic ties between Russian and Ukrainian enterprises cannot be quickly broken.

Most of the ties between the defense enterprises of Russia and Ukraine formed even before the collapse of the Soviet Union. In addition, a considerable proportion of relations have appeared in recent years. According to various sources, the total number of enterprises of two countries using products of foreign partners exceeds 1300. The number of products supplied to each other by Russian and Ukrainian enterprises accounts for thousands. Cooperation is in the field of engine building, aviation industry and in many other industries up to the construction of launch vehicles.

In the context of the possible cessation of military-technical cooperation between Russia and Ukraine, the specifics of such interaction between the two countries' industries should be considered. According to some reports, Ukrainian enterprises supply about 10% of their military products to Russia. At the same time, 70% of suppliers of various equipment and components for the needs of the Ukrainian defense industry work in Russia. Thus, in the first place Ukraine needs to preserve the existing international cooperation, although its cessation may hit the Russian industry as well.

Despite the relatively small share of Russia in the supply structure of the Ukrainian defense industry, in the case of some enterprises, cooperation with Russian colleagues is vital. For example, Motor Sich, a Zaporizhia-based engine-building company, supplies Russian aircraft factories with about 40% of engine output. The exact number of engines supplied to Russia is unknown, but there is information according to which Motor Sich produces over one thousand helicopter engines per year.

A few weeks ago, the management of Motor Sich announced its plans for further work in the light of recent events. The company's president, V. Boguslaev, told reporters that the change of power in Kiev will in no way affect the cooperation of Motor Sich with Russian aircraft manufacturers. Volumes of cooperation simply do not allow Zaporozhye engine builders to abandon their obligations. In addition, V. Boguslaev noted that the export of engines to Russia is carried out without any problems at customs. Last fall, the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia and the Ministry of Industrial Policy of Ukraine agreed on all the necessary documentation, so that Motor Sich can safely send its products to its Russian colleagues.

The example of the Motor Sich company perfectly demonstrates how important for the Ukrainian defense industry is cooperation with the Russian. Moreover, some enterprises are interested in strengthening existing ties. Thus, Zaporozhye engine builders are completing the development of the D-18Т 4 series aircraft engine, designed for An-124 transport aircraft. Completion is scheduled for the current 2014 year. Next year, Motor Sich plans to begin testing the AI-222-25 engine for the Yak-130 combat training aircraft. The creation of new types of engines will have a positive effect on the ties between the Russian and Ukrainian industries.

A sudden cessation of supplies of Ukrainian products and components will hit the Russian defense industry. Left without a number of important systems, some domestic enterprises will not be able to fulfill their obligations to a third party in time and deliver the ordered equipment or machinery. However, over the past few years, the Russian industry has taken some measures aimed at replacing imported products. Some progress in this direction has already been achieved, but in a number of areas it is required to continue working.

The rupture of existing ties will be an incentive for the development of Russian production of necessary components. Having lost some time, Russia is likely to be able to create all the necessary capacities for a few years and replace the missing Ukrainian imports. In case of termination of cooperation, Ukrainian enterprises will need to find new buyers of their products as soon as possible. Otherwise, enterprises will be left without orders and, as a result, without money. The result will be a gradual degradation of production and a decrease in the standard of living of enterprise employees.

The peculiarities of military-technical cooperation between Russia and Ukraine are such that its termination can happen only due to the adoption of an emotional and populist decision by the leadership of one of the countries. Like many other similar decisions taken in the wake of discontent and without taking into account the real situation, the rejection of international cooperation will have serious consequences. Will the broken links between the enterprises of the two countries be broken? The decision is up to the politicians.


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  1. mirag2
    mirag2 28 March 2014 07: 52
    +10
    For many, many there now it is absolutely not important (for the "new government", for the new oligarchs) how who will live and work.
    There are also "first signs" of European integration - sale of 2 US armored personnel carriers!
    How, how can Ukraine give not only "waste heaps and vodka cisterns", but also provide Europe with the intellect of pilipenoks and the whole world (even the USA) with its high-tech armored personnel carriers ...
    1. Canep
      Canep 28 March 2014 08: 31
      +24
      An example of Motor Sich
      It is necessary to build the same plant in Russia, with all the social infrastructure and housing. And invite specialists from Ukraine to Russia to work at this plant. It will be difficult for some time, but independence will be ensured. In a year, the middle class will not remain in Ukraine, there will be only the poor and mostly poor, I think people will go from poverty.
      1. self-propelled
        self-propelled 28 March 2014 10: 36
        +4
        Quote: Canep
        It is necessary to build the same plant in Russia, with all the social infrastructure and housing

        It was necessary to build yesterday. how long will it take and how much will it cost? it's not a cowshed in the field to build.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 28 March 2014 11: 04
          +12
          The sudden cessation of supplies of Ukrainian products and components will hit the Russian defense industry.


          Quote: self-propelled
          how long will it take and how much will it cost?


          Motor Sich is transferring production to Russia, which means there will be a new plant, personnel will become Russians. Similarly in all spheres - space, etc. ...

          Working with a hostile state is more expensive. You need to invite people to yourself ...
          1. self-propelled
            self-propelled 28 March 2014 11: 58
            +4
            Quote: Rus2012
            Motor Sich is transferring production to Russia, which means there will be a new plant, personnel will become Russians. Similarly in all spheres - space, etc. ...

            the need to transfer (or create similar) enterprises is obvious. nobody argues with this. just again, take an interest how long will it take? Helicopters are needed now, not tomorrow.
            That is why I say that it is unprofitable for either Ukraine or Russia to "chop off" economic ties
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 28 March 2014 14: 39
              +1
              Quote: self-propelled
              the need to transfer (or create similar) enterprises is obvious. nobody argues with this. just again, I wonder how long does it take? Helicopters are needed now, not tomorrow.

              And so the process did not begin today or yesterday.
            2. denort
              denort 28 March 2014 23: 59
              +1
              there is the simplest and most logical translation Ukrainian. productions to Russia: make Ukraine the Russian Federal District. you just need to kick the Americans in the ass. and people in Ukraine will be happy - they were sick of a robbery of the country, and the norms of a leader like the Old Man are not expected.
      2. Duke
        Duke 28 March 2014 15: 48
        +4
        Already done.
        It is necessary to build the same plant in Russia, with all the social infrastructure and housing. And invite specialists from Ukraine to Russia to work at this plant.

        Previously, the site of the Klimov plant in Shuvalvo was a branch, now it is becoming the main one. Underground stands for engine life tests have been created. The access roads are repaired.
      3. Cherdak
        Cherdak 28 March 2014 16: 45
        +3
        Quote: Canep
        And invite specialists from Ukraine to Russia to work

        "+" The "brain drain" developed by the West for years should be used. And iron is a gain
      4. agbykov
        agbykov 28 March 2014 17: 32
        +1
        It is necessary to recreate Novorossia, connect to the CU further and build together the Eurasian Union.
      5. Sergio Miranda
        Sergio Miranda 28 March 2014 20: 09
        +1
        I absolutely agree with you regarding the invitation of specialists from Ukraine to Russia to work.
      6. razgibatel
        razgibatel 29 March 2014 00: 52
        +2
        Correctly think comrades! And if it’s curious, Putin is in the topic. Full approval, respect and respect for our President. Moscow was not immediately built, but only on someone else’s misfortune.
  2. ambiorix
    ambiorix 28 March 2014 07: 53
    +5
    The main thing is not to lose Motor Sich.
    God forbid fucking Pravoseki seize and paralyze work
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 28 March 2014 08: 02
      +16
      Quote: ambiorix
      Long Motor Sich does not lose.
      God forbid fucking Pravoseki seize and paralyze work

      Do not grieve too much. yes
      A similar serial helicopter gas turbine engine factory in the Russian Federation has already been built near St. Petersburg, and the design bureau (Klimova) is completely Russian. since 2015, it seems like it should reach full capacity.
      In addition, realizing the insanity of what is happening in Ukraine, the leaders of Motor Sich are "quietly" pulling technologies to Russia, so as not to lag behind the train.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 28 March 2014 10: 11
        +11
        If the Rada prohibits the sale or Boguslaev is shoved out with MS as the director of the Vinnitsa Vodka Plant, then we will have a big problem with engines. Klimov:

        - does not have a serial full cycle, it still needs to be completed 1,5-2 of the year
        - does not have enough bandwidth, there only hot parts are more or less serially made


        Yes, with MS you can recruit the best people, and put them on the line, but this is 1-3 of the year of loss on engines. Moreover, it is almost unbelievable to reach the pace of MS even for 3.


        There is still a factor - ZARYA-MASHPROEKT, without it 11356 will have to be closed. And they participate in 22350, albeit not as a whole unit.

        Well, and small enterprises, although there you can find a replacement.
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 28 March 2014 13: 23
          +7
          Quote: donavi49
          does not have enough bandwidth, there only hot parts are more or less serially made

          And what about bandwidth? Is that a public bath? laughing
          Another thing is that the Klimov plant in Shuvalovo really cannot (currently) close the entire gas turbine engine market for Russian helicopters.
          If the situation in Ukraine was normal, the MS would work quietly for itself further.
          But, it may be necessary to increase production in Russia at a rapid pace, and at the same time, of course, there will be serious and serious problems, but they will be solved. yes
          serious uncles looked into the water ahead of time preparing mass production on their territory.
    2. engineer74
      engineer74 28 March 2014 08: 08
      +4
      The main thing is not to lose Motor Sich.
      God forbid fucking Pravoseki seize and paralyze work
      It surprises me why they haven't done it yet. The reason for blackmail is luxurious.
      Although not everything is so fatal, measures to replace Ukrainian products in the UEC have long been taken. But, as always, we do not have time - we will have to work 16 hours a day ... sad
      1. Homo
        Homo 28 March 2014 10: 03
        +4
        Quote: engineer74
        It surprises me why they haven't done it yet.

        And in this way they "ruin" Russia. Like - the Russians are sponsoring the Ukrainian revolution. wassat
      2. self-propelled
        self-propelled 28 March 2014 10: 31
        +2
        Quote: engineer74
        It surprises me why they haven't done it yet. The reason for blackmail is luxurious.

        the fiscal gap, the difference between planned expenditures and state revenues) exceeded 289 billion hryvnia (about 20 billion euros). where will the money be taken for the budget? you won't save much on pensions and other social benefits. so far, the West only promises to help (and many understand how this aid will turn out later) ... therefore all these statements (like “we will stop cooperating with Russia”) are just statements. neither Russia nor Ukraine needs it
        1. engineer74
          engineer74 28 March 2014 11: 48
          +5
          Quote: self-propelled
          Quote: engineer74
          It surprises me why they haven't done it yet. The reason for blackmail is luxurious.

          the fiscal gap, the difference between planned expenditures and state revenues) exceeded 289 billion hryvnia (about 20 billion euros). where will the money be taken for the budget? you won't save much on pensions and other social benefits. so far, the West only promises to help (and many understand how this aid will turn out later) ... therefore all these statements (like “we will stop cooperating with Russia”) are just statements. neither Russia nor Ukraine needs it

          Judging by the actions of the "revolutionary power" they have not yet learned the word "economy", they are mobilizing, they are doing some exercises, they are digging ditches across the continent ... And you mean the "budget deficit." This is called a deficit of intelligence, the GTS has already been proposed to blow up, the curators have given it away, but for Motor Sich and others. The West is unlikely to harness ..
    3. mirag2
      mirag2 28 March 2014 08: 24
      +2
      "Pravoseki" laughing -healthy!
  3. Sergg
    Sergg 28 March 2014 07: 58
    +6
    Talking about military cooperation with Ukraine is stupid. But relations with Ukrainian industry must be maintained, while at the same time, an alternative is sought in Russia.
  4. Nagaibak
    Nagaibak 28 March 2014 08: 00
    +7
    Since 2004, the Maidan has been going there non-stop. Ours, for a long time it was possible to build a plant in Russia. What got in the way? And no one could stop us from working.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 28 March 2014 08: 25
      0
      And because they didn’t build it, they maintained contact with the east of Ukraine by giving them orders and work.
      1. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 28 March 2014 11: 53
        +4
        mirag2 "Yes, that's why they did not build, because they maintained communication with the east of Ukraine by giving them orders and work."
        Weak comfort. Ie we were not able to predict the development?)))
        Mind is not enough.))) Yes, like stupid people in our high authorities have not been noticed. Well, maybe except for one.)))
        And the reason is common for our country. While the roasted rooster does not bite in one place.))) The same thing happens with payment systems. We sat and waited.)))
  5. ZU-23
    ZU-23 28 March 2014 08: 11
    +3
    Whatever it was, but this is a signal that we need to build factories at home, and invite specialists from Ukraine to Russia, I think they will go, because they are hardly from the right sector.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 28 March 2014 08: 27
      +6
      But specialists need to grow their own, and do not rely on someone !!!!!!!!!!!!!
      And so there are too many dependencies.
      And there should be independence, both political and economic and food and all other other !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 28 March 2014 13: 55
        +1
        Quote: mirag2
        But specialists need to grow their own, and do not rely on someone !!!!!!!!!!!!!
        And so there are too many dependencies.
        And there should be independence, both political and economic and food and all other other !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        When I came to UEMZ at 17, I studied under a mentor. Then he became a skilled worker. In this regard, let them go, pass on the experience of youth.
  6. Good
    Good 28 March 2014 08: 11
    +8
    How much can you step on the same rake. The whole defense industry should be in the yard, and one should not console oneself with the thought of the inviolability of various unions ...
  7. vass
    vass 28 March 2014 08: 11
    +4
    High-tech products must be produced for a long time by yourself! For the defense, this is generally necessary. Make helicopter hulls, etc. collecting from someone else's filling (engines, electronics) is possible only from poverty and unwillingness to have technology. Enough in the defense industry to depend on foreign suppliers. We do not have human resources for the manufacture of iPods and other consumer goods, but there are capacities and specialists capable of solving the advanced tasks of electronics and any motor industry. Especially when selling military equipment, it is necessary to share with the workers. Let them enter the world market themselves. At least 2 APCs fired the USA. Well, God help them.
  8. mamont5
    mamont5 28 March 2014 08: 19
    0
    I think that if enterprises need each other, they will still develop ties.
  9. Stinger
    Stinger 28 March 2014 08: 24
    0
    The main thing is not to rush.
  10. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 28 March 2014 08: 36
    +5
    So that there are no problems with the supply of necessary components for our military equipment, you need to produce them at home.
    It is short-sighted and stupid to produce it outside the Russian Federation.
    Given the political situation in Ukraine, there can be no talk of any kind of cooperation. It makes sense to suspend it until the situation in Ukraine normalizes.
    And in general, now it is necessary to carefully check all military products, otherwise they can slip the marriage (again, due to the political situation in the country). After all, production is primarily people.
    And in Ukraine there are a lot of people who support the current self-proclaimed power (possibly due to their misunderstanding). Among the people employed in military production, those who deliberately will drive the marriage to annoy Russia can easily turn out to be.
    As a result, nothing good will come out anyway.
    It is also impossible to deny that production can get up because of all sorts of "figures" who can stick to the plant with weapons and seize it under control paralyze the work.
    There are already precedents, for example, Zaporizhstal.
    There are also other facts of the seizure and blocking of the activities of enterprises and organizations that cooperate with Russia. As you can see, there is little hope for local security and law enforcement forces.
    They cannot guarantee the safety of enterprises and organizations in Ukraine.
    Because people work there, including can also support self-proclaimed power.
  11. sanek0207
    sanek0207 28 March 2014 08: 38
    +2
    Everything regarding strategic things should be its own, home-grown! How many clever heads were lured overseas, it is necessary to repair the damage! And to send them Chubais and Valuev, and if anything, and Yaytsenyukha there with friends!
  12. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 28 March 2014 08: 44
    +2
    from the Don.
    We’ll wait, your mother! Time is working for us. It will soon become clear in the Southeast!
  13. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 28 March 2014 08: 51
    0
    The problems covered in the article most likely have already been resolved, otherwise it would not have appeared in the press. The article with a double meaning, forcing its own to force a replacement for the supplier, the second layout of the article shows the place where you can pinch Russia more painfully. Having stopped delivering engines to Russia, the false government will punish itself beloved more painfully.
  14. drop
    drop 28 March 2014 08: 58
    +2
    The policy should be based on the development of production in Russia. We should invite Ukrainian specialists to work with us, provide housing and other benefits. Ukraine is a torn piece for us now, If there is a separation of the southeast, everything will change. I created the "Radioizmeritel" plant in Kiev - it costs, it does not exist, the research institute on the hem - it does not exist, the "Radiopribor" plant in Khmelnitsky - it does not exist and others. The situation is difficult, sorry for my colleagues, friends and Ukrainians. We missed them thanks to Gorbachev and Yeltsin. I have an invitation card to the forum at the Civil Aviation Institute in Kiev, how to go there. This institute was created with my participation. Vlt position. I have the honor.
  15. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 28 March 2014 08: 58
    +2
    I think that it is not necessary to stop the military-technical cooperation, this is not small money, it is necessary to approach this very clearly.
  16. parusnik
    parusnik 28 March 2014 09: 06
    +2
    You have to build your own .. so Ukraine will come running to Russia faster ...
  17. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 28 March 2014 09: 08
    +3
    Quote: Canep
    An example of Motor Sich
    It is necessary to build the same plant in Russia, with all the social infrastructure and housing. And invite specialists from Ukraine to Russia to work at this plant. It will be difficult for some time, but independence will be ensured. In a year, the middle class will not remain in Ukraine, there will be only the poor and mostly poor, I think people will go from poverty.

    In principle, my opinion about the construction is similar, only ... Russia is the greatest country with all kinds of resources, including intellectual and workers, is it really impossible to make all enterprises completely exhaustive on its territory? An example, an uralvagonzavod, a city is an enterprise in which resources fall, and at the output, finished products! But it is impossible to deliver weapons to Ukraine, in any case, the example was not so long ago when Russian weapons fought against Russia in Georgia, and a large percentage put them there without a break!
  18. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 28 March 2014 09: 09
    +1
    Military products must be manufactured in Russia. This is a security issue. If we have used Ukrainian engines until now, then this must be abandoned because in the case of "nezalezhnosti kooks", which is now observed, we endanger the security of our country. Do we need it? Of course, you can buy something in Ukraine, but certainly not a large part!
  19. Rohon
    Rohon 28 March 2014 09: 28
    +1
    As they say, time heals, but wait and hope, wasting time in vain. It is necessary to revive its own defense industry, independent in all respects ...
    And food security is at zero. The fucking perestroika undermined the security of our country in all respects. We all have something to think about and something to work on. Lived with us in the industrial city of a turner during the day with fire can not be found. So, everyone who nods to the West should be sent to the same West, even if there are tales about the rights of "PediGri" being pushed in there ... And we have rolled up our sleeves to work, and we have accumulated a lot of cases.
  20. darksoul
    darksoul 28 March 2014 09: 35
    +1
    Quote: ambiorix
    The main thing is not to lose Motor Sich.
    God forbid fucking Pravoseki seize and paralyze work


    no need to shoot the office, otherwise sent reports will run)))
  21. pensioner
    pensioner 28 March 2014 09: 37
    +4
    Definitely stop! Too unpredictable "partner". I know that at one serious enterprise in Ekburg, probably about 2 months ago, a meeting was held on the topic: "How to do without Ukraine?" Based on its results and conclusions, a set of measures was developed as a result of which the Ukrainian suppliers will be abandoned at the end of 14 - at the beginning of 15th year ... True, as a friend made a reservation, this is an optimistic option. But by the middle of 15, for sure.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 28 March 2014 09: 51
      +2
      As if: minus not minus, but the meeting was. yes
      1. rapid1934
        rapid1934 28 March 2014 20: 28
        0
        Quote: retired
        Definitely - stop!

        It was for these words that I put a minus. hi You should never make sudden movements. stop And such meetings need to be held. what We must strive for self-sufficiency in the military sphere. soldier
  22. ken
    ken 28 March 2014 09: 41
    +2
    Such a feeling is created that Ukraine will soon be a large garden. There is nothing left with such a government.
  23. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 28 March 2014 10: 03
    0
    our intelligence slammed ears, allowed a fascist coup in Ukraine, in general, from the very beginning there was virtually no work in the political mainstream. One Russophobes came to power in Ukraine one after another. A policy of non-interference is a policy of betrayal. Why does the US intervene wherever it sees fit. Russia, however, does not even want to do so. This is not about military intervention, but to help those who stand for the unity of our peoples, for the comprehensive development of relations. You might think that in Ukraine there are no such politicians and parties. What happened in Ukraine is not a mistake of our politicians, it is a direct betrayal, like all how our government worked to this day.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 28 March 2014 18: 24
      +1
      Quote: vladsolo56
      our intelligence slammed ears, allowed a fascist coup in Ukraine,

      Yes, not slammed. Over these 25 years, our intelligence has monitored all political trends in Ukraine. Not only that: she gave analytical reports to our government on the development of events in Ukraine. Intelligence does not make decisions. But. Intelligence is the only objective source of information for our government.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 28 March 2014 19: 27
        0
        Intelligence is not only collecting information and transmitting it to management, it is also a recommendation about what awaits us on the basis of the information obtained. Intelligence is not only those who directly extract information, but also those who receive it, analyze and transmit to the very top with recommendations. When I say intelligence, I mean just the FSB leadership. That fact that the adoption of responsible decisions does not depend on ordinary employees working on the collection of information.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 28 March 2014 21: 08
          0
          Quote: vladsolo56
          I mean just the leadership of the FSB.

          Vladimir! Yes, the FSB is the last of the offices that deal with "abroad". : She has enough business inside the country ...: yes Everything that happened in Ukraine, my friend (after Ural State University he was agitated by the KGB, and he retired as a colonel of the FSB ...) predicted back in the late 90s ...
  24. Cristall
    Cristall 28 March 2014 10: 10
    +3
    Business calmly conducted trade under Yusche and now. MS, Zorya, Yuzhmash and a bunch of everything - did not participate in politics, but worked.
    THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED in the political games of Kiev. For them it is money, work is confidence in the future. Therefore, politicians can indulge what they want, but work is going on.
    The geography of Russian orders in Ukraine is Kharkov / Zaporozhye / Nikolaev / Kiev / well, just half of Ukraine. Something I don’t remember what he orders on the memory of the Russian Federation.
    Of course, you can chop off in the heat of chopping the shoulder - cut all the connections, but with your friends cut.
    Do not be Kiev ...
    1. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 28 March 2014 10: 42
      +2
      Russia will not be the first to cut communications, but Ukraine is now not at all a predictor. The situation is changing every single day.
    2. Grbear
      Grbear 28 March 2014 10: 46
      +2
      Don't spin Cristall... P said: - "Do not cut!", And they will not.

      The question is different: will industrialists be able to protect themselves from the 4 million automatic machines that are dangling in the country? They will want to apply "revolutionary necessity".
  25. Rohon
    Rohon 28 March 2014 10: 44
    0
    They have a choice and a little time, let’s go crazy, I think until Winter, well, and then sorry - nothing personal - only Business gentlemen ...
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled 28 March 2014 12: 04
      +1
      Quote: rohon
      ... let’s go crazy, I think until Winter ...

      even long before the winter, large industrial enterprises will become (or at least significantly reduce production volumes) (given the prospects for increasing gas prices) ... then people can get furious ...
  26. Victor1
    Victor1 28 March 2014 10: 53
    +1
    you don’t need to transport anyone and anything to Russia, but you need to return the South-East to Russia, then no movements will be needed.
    First, we will return Southeast, then the rest of modern Ukraine, but let Galicia be called Ukraine, put the pro-Russian government there, banderlog to uranium mines, and slowly re-educate the population.
  27. sled beach
    sled beach 28 March 2014 11: 02
    +1
    So the newcomers took power to break up the country, destroy ties and sow malice. This is their development plan for the future. Our US stewards have the task of destroying everything that can be brought up so that people think it’s Russia crushing. The enemy is America which is fighting for markets.
  28. Leshka
    Leshka 28 March 2014 11: 37
    +1
    I can say one thing: if things go the same in Ukraine, then we will lose it
  29. Cristall
    Cristall 28 March 2014 12: 04
    +5
    Quote: GrBear
    Don't spin Cristall... P said: - "Do not cut!", And they will not.

    The question is different: will industrialists be able to protect themselves from the 4 million automatic machines that are dangling in the country? They will want to apply "revolutionary necessity".

    no, guards will not risk their lives. Unless of course this is not the protection of nuclear power plants. And then if the hostages are not families.
    It's bad that everything spills over to the SE .. look where the main "theater" is now it's not even Kiev - there is a show. And the events are SE - there is something to "capture" and there is something to profit from.
    You understand, if crowds come to Yuzhmash, for example, there will be no one to meet them in the Dnieper. The locals are afraid - a recent video where a man was beaten up in Dnipro (a girl defended him with a shout) convinces us that intimidation is underway. SBU from above - crowds from below intimidate people in the SE. The media pumping about the "external enemy" is waiting at home, so we get
    A Ukrainian gets up in the SE to his job, he constantly hears about the "enemy", he can be beaten by crowds, his leader will be arrested by the SBU for "separatism" - while he hears about the increase in tariffs ... how can he live? Neither give life to resist. At the same time, they force him to consolidate in front of an external "enemy" and constantly pump him up, pump him up "mass media" with recharge ...
    Quote: Leshka
    I can say one thing: if things go the same in Ukraine, then we will lose it

    I can’t deny it. The impression is still a little bit - and SE and all of Ukraine, not only will be lost, but simply destroyed. But before that there will be ... (which I will not even want to think)
    I have a thought - is the Politics-Expectations right now?
    Maybe Ukraine is that knife? He is sharpened and sharpened - he is inferior, but he is here ... next to ... with a throat.
    1. Theophanes
      Theophanes 28 March 2014 20: 06
      +1
      With Kravchuk coming to power, Russophobic sentiments in Ukraine began to develop at a gigantic pace !!! He "loves" the Russians as much as Hitler "loved" them! All 23 years of independence, Ukraine has devoted to fostering Russophobic sentiments among the country's population and has succeeded in this! So we need to build our own country relying on two allies: the army and the navy, as our Russian Tsar said! And the specialists (if the Maidan people rule) themselves will run to Russia, you just have to meet them with respect, brotherly! Yes, build their own factories! Enough to live with a pipe !!! and dependence on ladies or I won't give; want or don't want to! lose it!
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 30 March 2014 14: 55
        0
        Quote: Theophanes
        we must build our own country based on two allies: the army and navy, as our Russian Tsar said! And specialists (if Maidan workers will rule) will run to Russia themselves, you just need to meet them with respect, brotherly!

        Absolutely accurate definition! good
  30. hummel83
    hummel83 28 March 2014 12: 37
    +4
    From myself I will add -MS is an advanced enterprise in terms of also conducting new developments. It is believed that Ukraine did nothing and only eats up the Soviet legacy (and we in the Russian Federation have such an attitude to everything in Ukrainian., One pattern) - but this is an exception. They were one of the first in the CIS to introduce end-to-end design in CAD and introduced PDM systems, adapted bourgeois CAD systems (solidworks) to GOST. And then they published books, taught others. And many at our enterprises studied according to textbooks written in MS.

    And yet ... Those who talk about the rapid transfer of production - this is fantastic - the staff decide everything (technologists, engineers, and workers with the appropriate skills - you won’t find them quickly - you will need to grow your own, and this is years ...
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 30 March 2014 15: 00
      0
      Quote: hummel83
      cadres decide everything (both technologists, engineers, and workers with the appropriate qualifications - you won’t find them quickly - you will need to grow your own, and this is years ...


      Yes they are, but it needs to be increased. why not at the expense of those engineers and craftsmen who do not come to associate their future life with Banderlogism?
      Klimov, for example, currently produces about 25o helicopter engines, and the market is more than 600, there is room for development.
      Boguslaev understood this long ago, measures are being taken ... wink
  31. abc_alex
    abc_alex 28 March 2014 12: 46
    +1
    For those who vehemently advocate breaking off relations with Ukrainian enterprises, I suggest thinking about how, for example, Rosvertol will fulfill export orders. Today. Now.

    The army, let's wait a year or 2-3, until Kuznetsov launches analogues, but then foreigners will roll out sanctions for the failure of the contract. For millions.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 30 March 2014 15: 03
      0
      Quote: abc_alex
      while Kuznetsov will launch analogues

      Who is why I don’t know? request
      What analogues will this very Kuznetsov launch?
      Or we just didn’t know before, but now we’ve just beguiled it? repeat
  32. valersvet
    valersvet 28 March 2014 13: 56
    +2
    the scale of a very serious state defense order 2014 / hereinafter GOZ /,
    to be honest, in jeopardy
    this news was published on the eve of the Maidan Crisis.

    1. take off: 40% of GOZ aviation (helicopter.) Engines are produced by Ukraine "motors", etc., these are engines for helicopters MILA, KAMOV, for training aircraft Yak, Antonov cargo aircraft in particular, a third of Soviet cosmonautics remained in Ukraine (something already died ...).

    2. swim: the situation in shipbuilding at the shipyard in Nkiolaev, Kerch, Kherson, the annexation of Sevastopol (Crimea), Ukrainian shipbuilders, unlike the Russian, are able to build large ships.
    1. valersvet
      valersvet 29 March 2014 20: 20
      0
      the computer glitches, the message is duplicated, see the latest revision below.
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 30 March 2014 15: 15
      0
      Quote: valersvet
      then engines to helicopters Milya, Kamova, to training aircraft Yak, Antonov’s cargo aircraft, in particular, a third of Soviet cosmonautics

      No need for "gamuz".
      About 40% of the gas turbine engine for helicopters - that's for sure. Measures are being taken. Which see above. But about Antonov’s planes, especially cargo ones, this is unlikely. Trucks are simply practically not released, and the An-148 is made under license in Voronezh, An-140 in Samara (though very few) Yes, 40-50% of components are supplied (supplied?) by Ukrainian plants, due to which they lived. You can replace them, but not profitably. For themselves ending cooperation is suicide.
      Well, about a third of "Soviet cosmonautics", this third has long since disappeared, as well as Soviet cosmonautics.
      Nikolaev, as the center of shipbuilding, it is time to forget, a beautiful city in which I happened to serve.
      And now every year I visit him.
      But what ships can’t be seen at the factory wall of the 61st communard plant for about 20 years. A previously unfinished cruiser loomed there, which everyone does not know where to stick.
      So, 23 years of degradation have not passed for nothing ... What can they do now? The big question. yes
  33. valersvet
    valersvet 28 March 2014 14: 19
    0
    the scale of a very serious state defense order 2014 / hereinafter GOZ /,
    to be honest, the threat of a breakdown comes to mind,
    this news was published on the eve of the Maidan Crisis.

    1. take off: 40% of GOZ aviation (helicopter.) Engines are produced by Ukraine "motors", etc., these are engines for helicopters MILA, KAMOV, for combat training aircraft Yak-130, Antonov cargo aircraft in particular, a third of Soviet cosmonautics remained in Ukraine ( something has already died ...).

    read an interview with Vyacheslav Boguslaev of the head of "MotorSich"
    in a nutshell: we will comply with international treaties and requirements, no matter what.

    2. swim: the situation with the shipbuilding of the shipyards in Nkiolaev, Kerch, Kherson, the annexation of Sevastopol (Crimea) changes the picture in "+", Ukrainian shipbuilders are able to build large ships. it should be borne in mind that the Russian Federation is planning a grandiose rearmament of its fleet.
  34. xomaNN
    xomaNN 28 March 2014 14: 36
    0
    Themselves Ukrainian. defense industry plants are located mainly in the southeast and the mood of those working there is likely to continue trade with the Russian Federation, despite the anti-Russian hysteria in the country. This is their bread and the ability to work factories. But the neo-Makhnovists in Kiev have the opposite goal - to refuse tomorrow the mutual deliveries of the Russian Federation-Ukraine. And let the alien electorate be worse! For them it’s NOT patriots belay
  35. terrible
    terrible 28 March 2014 15: 25
    0
    ) here either squeeze the plants or clamp them. let them eat each other with hunger) without light and gas)
  36. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 28 March 2014 15: 27
    0
    Here is the situation, with the separation of Crimea now not only we need from the Ukraine, but they also need something from us. For example, theirs "bulat" and BTR-3 without the products of the Feodosia plant will not work. This is if we forget for a minute that they cannot live stupidly without our gas and fuel for the nuclear power plant.
  37. Bort radist
    Bort radist 28 March 2014 15: 34
    0
    Do not break the connection, while not becoming addicted.
  38. George N
    George N 28 March 2014 15: 45
    0
    Quote: ZU-23
    Whatever it was, but this is a signal that we need to build factories at home, and invite specialists from Ukraine to Russia, I think they will go, because they are hardly from the right sector.

    Why build factories? We must act in a direction so that eastern Ukraine with all the plants comes to us.
  39. akm8226
    akm8226 28 March 2014 16: 05
    +1
    Let me remind you of the words of Stalin that he said at one of the GKO meetings, in which Vasily Grabin, the designer of the famous divisional gun ZIS-3, took part.
    From the memoirs of Grabin.
    "... Makhanov (chief designer of a company competing with Grabin. Approx.) Confirmed that the welding machines used in the production of his gun should be purchased from France, since they are not produced in the USSR.
    Stalin stood up and said:
    "- The Red Army does not need a cannon for which equipment must be bought abroad!" (End of quote)
    Are we again going to step on a rake that Stalin has not stepped on?
    There should not be any bazaars with gentlemen from Ukraine. We must do everything at home! Hitler will come to power tomorrow and all cooperation will fly dog ​​down the drain. And Russia will be left without weapons. Total - jobs and factories producing the necessary components for the defense industry should only be in Russia.
    This is an axiom - Stalin said this back in 1939.
    1. Klibanophoros
      Klibanophoros 28 March 2014 18: 51
      +2
      The problem is that the staff working at Motorosech are not foreigners for us, they are our people. It is already obvious that Putin has surrendered Novorossiya by chopping off Crimea for himself. The question is, now how to establish communication and supply with the returned territory? If the technological development of Russia were so important for Putin, everything that is possible would become part of Russia, leaving only "Banderistan" to the Raguli. And so, Crimea is only an integral part of the pipeline across the Black Sea ...
      1. Recon
        Recon 28 March 2014 20: 34
        +1
        As I like sofa strategists like you, who chop off your shoulder and grab everything)))
  40. gregor6549
    gregor6549 28 March 2014 17: 01
    0
    Of course save. And experience jointly created weapons about someone’s very hot heads, even if there is a braid around the head. If there were brains under the scythe. But where do they come from.
  41. Glagol
    Glagol 28 March 2014 20: 01
    0
    Worse, of course, will be Ukraine. Russia will also suffer losses, especially
    By helicopter engines. But Ukrainians can nevertheless pull
    Crane, this power does not think about the consequences. So everything can be ... yul
  42. gercog
    gercog 28 March 2014 21: 01
    0
    recent events have shown that Russia is VERY dependent on other states, but it did not pay attention to it until a certain moment. Now we rushed to create our own payment system and now we also need to build factories where we should build aircraft engines and blah blah blah, but before that we did not know it turns out that it can happen
    1. Farvil
      Farvil 28 March 2014 22: 19
      0
      The fact of the matter is that liberal lovers of the United States have been in power since the 90s, they sit there to prevent us from developing and remaining a raw materials appendage of the West. We have a lot of sensible people, but they are not allowed to power, and if they fall they are not allowed to work. In the current situation, we have a chance to uproot this evil from the power structures.
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 29 March 2014 00: 10
        0
        This uprooting can begin only with a very serious aggravation of the situation against the Russian Federation. But the emergence of economic pressure on Russia is tantamount to the disappearance with time of its dependence on the West, the inevitable increase with the emergence in many third world countries of the desire to climb under the wing. This loss of markets for their products and lower living standards in their countries is the main brake on economic sanctions against the Russian Federation. Notice that Obama went to Saudi Arabia to get the oil price down to $ 90. She doesn’t want to lower, it will become unprofitable to be a raw materials appendage of Russia, but do they need it?
        And so it’s good for everyone, except for the population, except for those with oil, gas, metallurgy, round timber, trade in financial speculation, etc. have no personal interest. But nobody asks us.
        WEST! SAVE RUSSIA WITH SANCTIONS!
    2. Black
      Black 28 March 2014 22: 41
      0
      ... time to scatter stones, time to collect stones ....

      Quote: gercog
      before they didn’t know what could happen

      Maybe they didn’t know, maybe they didn’t believe, maybe there weren’t such ....

      With Ukraine, in which everything will settle down, a legitimate sane power will come, we will be friends and cooperate, and there will be new "Kharkov" agreements.
      All ahead.
  43. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 28 March 2014 22: 02
    0
    Good, everything will be fine! Everything will be fine. I know that, for sure!
  44. ioann1
    ioann1 28 March 2014 22: 36
    0
    Time will put everything in its place, but we can say that Ukraine can become a normal modern country only as part of Russia. But for this, the people of Ukraine will have to go a lot of thorny paths. It's like waking up from a long sleep. For too long Ukraine has been under the yoke of its oligarchs, who mocked the country, pumping out everything that is possible from it ... Devastated Ukraine and everyone saw that even the people were devastated to a psychosis of antism. Everything needs time and Russia's participation.
  45. beifall
    beifall 29 March 2014 16: 36
    -2
    What kind of cooperation is WAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. TS3sta3
      TS3sta3 29 March 2014 20: 25
      0
      Quote: beifall
      What kind of cooperation is WAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      take pills, you have aggravation laughing
  46. Zomanus
    Zomanus 29 March 2014 19: 20
    0
    Well, Ukraine will completely freeze the supply of equipment to Russia. In the news, it slipped that it had already frozen. Only now Ukraine will lose more from this. Okay, we’ll rumble around, we’ll pay fines somewhere. But still, we will set up our production. But Ukraine will have to curtail its production. Since gas / oil will not be cheap, there are no orders, with food and other communal services, too, not everything is clear. So Ukraine is losing more. In the place of the Novoukrainian government, I would not allow law enforcement officers and others to the South. In general, the South would protect. For only he now brings a stable income. And from this income I would rebuild the whole country. Only now, the Novoukrainian authorities have a slightly different task.