Military Review

Tanks are not afraid of sanctions

240
Tanks are not afraid of sanctions

The head of Rosoboronexport, Anatoly Isaikin, said that the United States is unlikely to be able to prevent the supply of Russian weapons to other countries.


Speaking at a press conference at the International Exhibition of Military and Aerospace Technology FIDAE-2014, now taking place in Chile, he stressed that Rosoboronexport had been under unilateral US sanctions for years, but this was only reflected in the supply side. " .

Indeed, last year various Russian weapons and military items worth 13,2 billion were sold abroad.

This was a record for the entire existence of Rosoboronexport. In 2013, we managed to sign the 1202 new contract. So the growth dynamics of military-technical exports from Russia will continue.

According to Isaikin, the United States "has enough senators who would like to impose a ban on the sale of Russia weapons. We hear such calls every year. ”At the same time, Isaikin noted, the legitimate form of such a ban is only the decision of the UN Security Council. But the UN simply has no reason to impose a veto on the Russian arms trade.

The United States probably continues to consider itself the absolute masters of the world, one word of which should instill fear and awe in others. But the world has changed a lot. And often an interesting situation arises: the more prohibitive shouts from Washington sound, the more actively many countries seek to develop military-technical cooperation with Russia.

Indicative in this sense, Latin America, the former not so long ago, one might say, the patrimony of the United States.

The real breakthrough on the arms market in this region for Russia occurred in the past fifteen years.

In Latin America, more than three hundred civil and military Mi-8 / 17 alone are operated

As the general director of the Russian Helicopters holding, Alexander Mikheyev, told reporters at the same Chilean exhibition FIDAE-2014, the fleet of Russian-made helicopters in Latin America has grown by six percent over the past three years. Only one Mi-8 / 17 civilian and military uses more than three hundred. Pure combat Mi-24 / 35 are in great demand.

Brazil plans to buy the latest Ka-62. You can add: Russian cars are very popular in South America, which is surprising, even cars.

More and more countries are trying to protect their skies with Russian air defense systems. Along with C-300, Thor and Pantsir-S are highly rated. By the way, many experts are confident that only the presence of modern Russian-made air defense systems in Syria saves this country from massive air strikes from the same USA air force, which do not cease to threaten Damascus.

As the international military-technical salons of last year showed, there is a stable and even growing interest in Russian armored vehicles, in our small arms, in multiple rocket launchers - to the heirs of the famous Katyushas.

Our country was the first in the world to offer foreign customers not only the sale of modern weapons, but also the joint development of combat systems of a new generation.

An example is the multi-purpose Russian-Indian cruise missile "BrahMos", which is today considered the best in the world in its class. So the work of "Rosoboronexport" US sanctions really do not interfere.
Originator:
http://www.rg.ru/
240 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Chifka
    Chifka 27 March 2014 12: 00
    +76
    "The United States is in a panic: Russia plans to start supplying military equipment to European countries. For this purpose, units of Russian military equipment are slowly deployed at their borders ..."
    1. Salamander
      Salamander 27 March 2014 12: 04
      +93
      "+"! We are peaceful people, but our armored train is already under steam! wassat
      1. Salamander
        Salamander 27 March 2014 12: 14
        +48
        Psychologists advise:
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 27 March 2014 12: 20
          +56
          Here is the news in my opinion just awesome !!! good hi

          A Chinese private airline O-bay Aircraft Company from Henan plans to purchase one hundred Sukhoi Superjet-100 aircraft for a total of 3,5 billion dollars.

          The agreement was signed on Saturday, ITAR-TASS reports with reference to Beijing's China Daily. According to the report, the Russian company will assist in the creation of an assembly plant in the administrative center of Henan in the city of Zhengzhou. Other Chinese airlines are also interested in this project. Moreover, the Sukhoi company is well known in China for its military aircraft.

          The Superjet assembly line is expected to start operating in the 2016 year and reach full capacity two years later - in the 2018 year.

          However, the project still needs to be approved by the State Council of the PRC, especially since the Russian aircraft will become a direct competitor to the regional ARJ-21, which is being created by the Chinese aircraft manufacturer.

          Thanks to our Chinese friends! hi
          1. Salamander
            Salamander 27 March 2014 12: 29
            +40
            The howl will rise: "Ay-wai-wai, karrupcea, everything is bought, the Russians are foisting terrible airplanes on everyone! And for some reason everyone is buying them !!! ???" wassat wassat wassat
            1. aleks 62
              aleks 62 27 March 2014 13: 22
              +14
              And for some reason everyone is buying them !!! ??? "
              Whatever they say, Sukhoi Design Bureau has always been ahead, starting from SU-2 (with incredible survivability), T-100 and ending with modern ones ....
              1. poccinin
                poccinin 27 March 2014 15: 29
                .
                you know how the wing parts are adjusted to the fuselage. a board and a sledgehammer are taken and forward until it comes to the joint it is in place. We work at KNAaPO sometimes we pass by the assembly shops of these SUPER devices.
                1. Filon
                  Filon 28 March 2014 02: 44
                  +4
                  smile "+" from me ...
                  Not because "pro-salipolymers", but for a completely different reason:
                  This is just a stereotype such that in Russian the term "tool" in production means a sledgehammer, and with it, they say, they repair / assemble everything, from tanks to chronographs. Our hello to you!
                  For me personally, this template was completely torn apart in 5 years of my naval career. First, an Italian and a Croat drove oil filters of the wrong type into the engine using a sledgehammer, then the Filipino "tightened" the nuts in the same way, then the British drove expensive compensators for temperature effects on the liquefied gas line ... Romanians bent the pump shafts, screwed the threads ... You can't remember everything ... The only time I saw the use of a hammer not in our business was when the 2nd mechanic checked the tightening quality with a tiny hammer, if it bounces and rings, then everything is in order, if the sound is dull or rattling, then pull the hydraulics - drag it is necessary. And I was never wrong. So that.
                  Well, an unobvious moment: collect? - Yes; are experiencing? - Yes; Works? - Yes; Are there any complaints? - no.
                  Well, what "X"? ..
                  1. komendor
                    komendor 28 March 2014 10: 49
                    0
                    In our workplace, too, Americans and Italians, with their sledgehammers, sometimes shoved something shoved into their switches and transformers. And then we repair for them.
                  2. The comment was deleted.
            2. Siberian19
              Siberian19 27 March 2014 22: 14
              +4
              http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/142/ddrk288.jpg
          2. Wedmak
            Wedmak 27 March 2014 12: 36
            +15
            Well, if you really buy 100, and we will supply them with assembly kits, that's good. Actually in this plane from a purely Russian only a glider probably ...
            1. Sid.74
              Sid.74 27 March 2014 12: 41
              +12
              Quote: Wedmak
              Actually in this plane from a purely Russian only a glider probably ...

              Well, you’ve gone too far. The article was only forgotten where it can even be in VO! A lot of things in the superjet are ours! hi
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 27 March 2014 12: 59
                +4
                I won’t argue, I only remember that the list of Russian equipment is extremely small - a glider, a chassis, something else, I don’t remember the engines. All avionics imported. In general, this aircraft was created mainly for export, and everything that is modern in world aviation was assembled.
                1. Sid.74
                  Sid.74 27 March 2014 13: 16
                  +8
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  All avionics imported. In general, this aircraft was created mainly for export, and everything that is modern in world aviation was assembled.

                  In general, you’re right, he’s a kind of designer if they supply the European market, then the engines are often European, the decoration, the air conditioning system is completely imported! I think the Chinese and ours will carry out some kind of cooperation, which is also good!
                2. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 27 March 2014 16: 56
                  +5
                  It's okay - international cooperation. We supply titanium parts to Boeing, which are used on both the new 787 Dreamliner type aircraft and the ordinary 737 commuter aircraft.
                  1. leonidoss87
                    leonidoss87 28 March 2014 09: 01
                    0
                    I completely agree. Boeing and Airbus design and build their aircraft in cooperation with many factories located in many countries around the world. And yet no one says that this is NOT "made in USA" and "Made in France"
            2. Rus2012
              Rus2012 27 March 2014 12: 48
              +49
              Quote: Wedmak
              Well, if really 100 will purchase


              Meanwhile, in Alaska 100 barrels of alcohol were found, they say!
              Moreover, the tsar’s tide still spills 160 years ago ...
              Must go!

              laughing laughing laughing
              In Alaska in the Kathmai National Park. when the cavers examined the newly discovered karst cave, oak barrels with alcohol in an amount of more than 100 were found. All barrels are in perfect condition and are still sealed with sealing wax.
              When examining the find, it turned out that the barrels are most likely of Russian origin, because on the sealing wax there are seals on which the double-headed eagle is clearly visible, the numbers “1851” and the inscription in Russian “Peter and Paul Port”
              Local residents were ambivalent about this find. For example, several people turned to the local administration with a statement that the barrels needed to be handed over urgently to Russia. In their opinion, the further presence of Russian barrels of alcohol in the United States is extremely dangerous, because the Russians never just leave vodka like that and at the same time act completely unpredictably.


              1. Sid.74
                Sid.74 27 March 2014 12: 54
                +9
                Quote: Rus2012
                Meanwhile, in Alaska 100 barrels of alcohol were found, they say!
                Moreover, the tsar’s tide still spills 160 years ago ...
                Must go! laughing laughing laughing

                You need to fly on superjets! laughing
              2. Wedmak
                Wedmak 27 March 2014 13: 00
                +18
                Yeah, only if the barrels are really oak, then there is no nifiga alcohol. Cognac and whiskey nervously cry from such exposure. I wonder if you can drink it?
                1. sir.jonn
                  sir.jonn 27 March 2014 13: 14
                  .
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  Yeah, only if the barrels are really oak, then there is no nifiga alcohol. Cognac and whiskey nervously cry from such exposure. I wonder if you can drink it?

                  Vinegar is unique.
                  1. Sid.74
                    Sid.74 27 March 2014 13: 17
                    +27
                    Quote: sir.jonn
                    Vinegar is unique.

                    Alcohol vinegar ??? This is not wine !!! what
                2. aleks 62
                  aleks 62 27 March 2014 13: 24
                  +11
                  You can drink ALL that burns !!!!! .... But in moderation ...
                  1. comprochikos
                    comprochikos 27 March 2014 14: 25
                    +7
                    It is necessary to check on Americans wassat
                    1. Sma11
                      Sma11 27 March 2014 15: 30
                      +8
                      It is necessary to check on Americans

                      Why are you stupid? Why poison the poor Yankees? A battalion of two or three "polite" tasters.
                  2. The comment was deleted.
                  3. novobranets
                    novobranets 27 March 2014 16: 32
                    +8
                    Quote: aleks 62
                    .But in moderation ...

                    Alcohol of such exposure, a boring thing. drinks As you exhale, "Bumblebee" looks like a Chinese lighter.
                    One man, deciding to check the correctness of the proverb "there is still gunpowder in the flasks", began to regularly add gunpowder to his food instead of salt. Noticing an improvement in his condition, he continued to eat this product. He lived for 108 years, leaving behind 10 children, 28 grandchildren, 44 great-grandchildren and a 10-meter funnel on the site of the crematorium.
                3. fif21
                  fif21 27 March 2014 15: 02
                  +3
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  I wonder if you can drink it?
                  Very interesting drinks
                  1. novobranets
                    novobranets 27 March 2014 18: 05
                    +2
                    Quote: fif21
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    I wonder if you can drink it?

                    You can drink, but you can’t smoke, and generally stay away from fire. drinks
                4. The comment was deleted.
                5. avdkrd
                  avdkrd 27 March 2014 18: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  I wonder if you can drink it?

                  Actually, it turned out to be a very correct cognac alcohol, the only difference is that grape alcohol is used for the cognac. When that was exactly how cognac was "invented" - during the Anglo-French War (1701-1713) many barrels of wine distillate (a product of the distillation of dry wine from 30 to 70%) stagnated in warehouses. This product will certainly not be cognac, but the taste will be excellent.
                  1. novobranets
                    novobranets 27 March 2014 19: 39
                    +5
                    During this period, all fusel oils settled on the walls and turned into stone. Plus aging in oak barrels. Vodka from this alcohol should turn out to be fabulous. It is impossible to give such wealth to some kind of ... doctor. Give me some alcohol! Well, that would not go twice- Give Alaska! laughing drinks
                    1. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 27 March 2014 19: 43
                      +3
                      Vodka from this alcohol should turn out fabulous

                      Already because of this alone, it is possible to annex Alaska. laughing
              3. Konstantm
                Konstantm 27 March 2014 13: 12
                +11
                we contact the Obama administration:
                Alaska back to Russia.

                Groups of Siberian Russians crossed the isthmus (now the Bering Strait) 16-10 thousand years ago.

                The Russians began to settle on the Arctic coast, the Aleuts inhabited the Aleutian archipelago.

                First visited Alaska on August 21, 1732, members of the crew of the ship "St. Gabriel ”under the inspector Gvozdev and assistant navigator I. Fedorov during the expedition of Shestakov and D. I. Pavlutski 1729-1735

                Vote for the separation of Alaska from the United States and accession to Russia
                Date Created: 21 March 2014
                Issues: civil rights and freedoms, government reform, human rights
                Learn about Petition Thresholds
                Signatures need before April 20, 2014 to achieve the goal of 100000
                72277
                Total petition signatures
                27723
                You have already signed this petition

                Thank you for participating. Find other petitions you are interested in or start your own.
                Guys, register on the White House website and vote for our Alaska.
                https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/alaska-back-russia/SFG1ppfN
                1. cozy
                  cozy 27 March 2014 13: 50
                  +5
                  But registered and voted ...
                  AG
                  Anchorage, AK
                  March 27, 2014
                  Signature # 29,122
                2. carver
                  carver 28 March 2014 10: 36
                  0
                  Quote: KonstantM
                  Siberian Russian groups crossed the isthmus (now the Bering Strait) 16-10 thousand years ago.


                  This is exactly Russian, maybe protoukry bully
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 28 March 2014 13: 54
                    0
                    Quote: carver
                    This is exactly Russian, maybe protoukry

                    And who do you think lived where you live? Martians?
              4. The comment was deleted.
              5. alexng
                alexng 27 March 2014 13: 29
                +5
                Quote: Rus2012
                Meanwhile, in Alaska 100 barrels of alcohol were found, they say!


                Well, that’s it! These malicious Russians bought Alaska with giblets and all for a hundred barrels of alcohol. lol
              6. pts-m
                pts-m 27 March 2014 14: 37
                +2
                indeed it is better not to argue with the local indigenous people of Alaska! but it’s better to convey to the Russian side! and in a friend on the barrels a curse for the stranger who discovered the find! Yankees listen to the voice of NATURE CHILDREN! otherwise you will regret it. if something happens.
              7. asar
                asar 27 March 2014 15: 17
                +4
                her! we will not leave our own! but, by the way, why transport barrels to Russia, it will not be easier - to pick up KALYASKU, and to note at the same time! all in one place - and a referendum the other day, and a banquet about ?! laughing
              8. novobranets
                novobranets 27 March 2014 18: 09
                +2
                Quote: Rus2012
                the further presence of Russian barrels of alcohol in the United States is extremely dangerous, because the Russians never just leave vodka like that and at the same time act completely unpredictably.

                For alcohol they will return to the Premier League. (the film "Peculiarities of National Fishing").
              9. avdkrd
                avdkrd 27 March 2014 18: 11
                +1
                Quote: Rus2012
                In their opinion, the further presence of Russian barrels of alcohol in the United States is extremely dangerous, because the Russians never just leave vodka like that and at the same time act completely unpredictably.

                Interestingly they REALLY THINK THIS?
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 27 March 2014 19: 45
                  +1
                  The years of work of propaganda make themselves felt.
              10. roman. 7466
                roman. 7466 27 March 2014 20: 44
                +2
                we left them there for storage wink
              11. Maza
                Maza 28 March 2014 00: 22
                +1
                Our ancestors left alcohol, knew what was useful, drink for reunion.
              12. Victor-M
                Victor-M 28 March 2014 02: 23
                0
                Quote: Rus2012
                Local residents were ambivalent about this find. For example, several people turned to the local administration with a statement that the barrels needed to be handed over urgently to Russia. In their opinion, the further presence of Russian barrels of alcohol in the United States is extremely dangerous, because the Russians never just leave vodka like that and at the same time act completely unpredictably.

                All right, locals, take these barrels of alcohol on a quick basis and bring them down from Alaska. laughing
              13. Mikhail m
                Mikhail m 28 March 2014 08: 59
                0
                A search on Lenta.ru did not return a result. But the trick is interesting.
            3. iConst
              iConst 27 March 2014 13: 36
              +1
              Quote: Wedmak
              Well, if you really buy 100, and we will supply them with assembly kits, that's good.

              It doesn’t hurt well.
              A set of details is not a product. The "trick" of the Chinese people is understandable - technological documentation. Thus, they will be able to very quickly replace many units with similar ones - of their own baking. Especially for avionics.

              Unfortunately, the Russian "Voentorg" is forced to sell more and more high-tech products on such cooperative terms.

              The same DRY for India, etc.
              1. dmitriygorshkov
                dmitriygorshkov 27 March 2014 13: 58
                +4
                Quote: iConst
                Unfortunately, the Russian "Voentorg" is forced to sell more and more high-tech products on such cooperative terms.

                Your point is clear.
                But you must admit, it’s better than nothing!
                1. iConst
                  iConst 27 March 2014 14: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: dmitriygorshkov
                  Your point is clear.
                  But you must admit, it’s better than nothing!

                  - Tse not thought, tse facts.
                  - I agree ... smile
              2. Wedmak
                Wedmak 27 March 2014 15: 42
                +2
                The "trick" of the Chinese people is understandable - technological documentation. Thus, they will be able to very quickly replace many units with similar ones - of their own baking.

                Yes, for God's sake, let them bake. It's a shame when our Su-27 is baked under its own brand. And this international plane ... I do not consider it Russian. Although the idea to take the best and make a liner is a good one.
                1. iConst
                  iConst 27 March 2014 15: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  The "trick" of the Chinese people is understandable - technological documentation. Thus, they will be able to very quickly replace many units with similar ones - of their own baking.

                  Yes, for God's sake, let them bake. It's a shame when our Su-27 is baked under its own brand. And this international plane ... I do not consider it Russian. Although the idea to take the best and make a liner is a good one.

                  I do not agree. Today, one thing, tomorrow they will rub another.

                  And so - yes, the plane is good.
                  But cooperative companies cannot in any way influence its sales. The stump is clear that the same "partners" rule here - about the "free" market and "fair" competition, I think no one has any illusions.

                  Actually, it is designed as a medium-range aircraft.
                  Well. We have a negative, but experience. And foreign components were taken solely to ensure quality. In Russia, there is still no production of economical and environmentally friendly (in all respects) engines.
          3. platitsyn70
            platitsyn70 27 March 2014 13: 34
            +6
            like Russian, they don’t know how to do anything; they only drink vodka, and they drink more than we do, and we love animals, and we don’t cut giraffes preludely, we don’t poison lions, and we don’t divide people into categories.
          4. jjj
            jjj 27 March 2014 13: 38
            0
            Quote: Sid.74
            The Superjet assembly line is expected to start operating in the 2016 year and reach full capacity two years later - in the 2018 year.

            China has no Western sanctions on the supply of components. It may well cost airplanes for us. As they say, a knight's move
            1. Sid.74
              Sid.74 27 March 2014 13: 45
              0
              Quote: jjj
              He may well build aircraft for us. As they say, a knight's move

              I misunderstood you! Do you mean that China will build airplanes for the foreign market for us!? In Chinese it may be in cooperation!
          5. UREC
            UREC 27 March 2014 13: 57
            +2
            Do not rush to rejoice dear! These are very missed guys, it can happen like with combat "dryers" - the contract was signed for 100, bought 15 pieces to copy and the contract was broken. Now they make themselves J-11s.
            1. Sid.74
              Sid.74 27 March 2014 14: 06
              +1
              Quote: UREC
              Do not rush to rejoice dear! These are very missed guys, it can happen like with combat "dryers" - the contract was signed for 100, bought 15 pieces to copy and the contract was broken. Now they make themselves J-11s.

              I agree! But they still have problems with the engines! I think it’s easier to assemble civilian vessels in cooperation than to mindlessly copy and do something! hi
          6. ARS56
            ARS56 27 March 2014 15: 15
            +2
            It would be great news if the Sukhoi Superjet-100 were Russian, not only in terms of name but also in essence. Our only development there assembly and a little more. Participation in the sanctions of any of the dozen countries - suppliers of components will lead to a halt in production. Serious equipment must be done entirely by ourselves, as it was in the USSR.
        2. The comment was deleted.
        3. kare
          kare 27 March 2014 19: 04
          +1
          Kind words and CC-400, better than just a kind word drinks
      2. Aryan
        Aryan 27 March 2014 12: 16
        +30
        someone in black in white saw a bad school afro-teacher on history hi
        1. Salamander
          Salamander 27 March 2014 12: 24
          +38
          And not only come laughing
          1. pts-m
            pts-m 27 March 2014 14: 19
            +4
            And it’s cool thing! that’s the use of cartoons! jumping tanks! Yes, it’s not a toy you can’t make!
        2. asv96
          asv96 27 March 2014 13: 08
          +2
          This is very accurately seen.
      3. AVV
        AVV 27 March 2014 12: 42
        +7
        Quote: Salamander
        "+"! We are peaceful people, but our armored train is already under steam! wassat

        America is only afraid of power and we will show them Kuzkin’s mother, which the Americans want to see firsthand !!!
        1. Siberian19
          Siberian19 27 March 2014 14: 04
          +1
          call for US troops
          1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
            Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 27 March 2014 19: 33
            +1
            This K. hall with the Amerov flag has not yet been sent to the forefathers? Where do our special services look?
      4. platitsyn70
        platitsyn70 27 March 2014 13: 37
        +4
        Russian Helicopters Holding (a subsidiary of the defense industrial complex Oboronprom, a member of the Rostec state corporation) concluded contracts for the supply of 2013 helicopters to Latin America in 41, the press service of the holding said.
        Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/news/19692
        1. platitsyn70
          platitsyn70 27 March 2014 16: 00
          0
          The real state of the US armed forces (2013) watch the link interesting mover.uz/watch/a2gHp78
      5. Siberian19
        Siberian19 27 March 2014 15: 06
        +5
        America asks Russia not to close her space

        The US will pay Russia $ 70.7 million for each Soyuz missile flight the US needs, Fox News reported. This happened against the backdrop of statements by US President Barack Obama about plans to toughen sanctions against the Russian Federation for its actions in Ukraine and Crimea. While politicians argue about the fight against the Russian Federation, NASA claims that politics "does not affect" the "long-term relationship" with Roscosmos - neither in terms of the withdrawal of US satellites and the delivery of American cargo, neither in the ISS project, nor in manned flight plans (partially cited). But if the Russian Federation refuses to work with NASA (despite the fact that the volume of private launches does not provide even a quarter of the American space program) - for the United States, in fact, a window into space will close. Moreover, all (!) Rocket engines on all of NASA's own civilian launch vehicles are designed and made at the Design Bureau named after Khrunichev. So, thinking about sanctions or threatening the United States with them, one should not forget that one truly wrong move - and America can only be nostalgic about space for the next 10 years.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 27 March 2014 15: 59
          +1
          Well, here's another leverage for responding to sanctions. Such a heavy one ... For 10 years, chopping off a lot of necessary and important programs.
    2. The comment was deleted.
  2. Afinogen
    Afinogen 27 March 2014 12: 01
    +24
    No need to listen to the Americans, and he has money to trade with Iran.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 27 March 2014 15: 14
      +1
      Quote: Athenogen
      No need to listen to the Americans, and he has money to trade with Iran.

      Money is kept by those who print it.
  3. artist-mamluk
    artist-mamluk 27 March 2014 12: 01
    +15
    So rushing rot from the states.
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 27 March 2014 12: 02
      +20
      How can they not understand that we are fucking ... that the sun is painting. Clowns !!!
    2. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov 27 March 2014 14: 03
      +2
      Quote: artist-mamluk
      So rushing rot from the states.

      And you are an esthete! Wow, "rotten!"
      I would say more beautifully, but ..... Apollo is not asleep! request
  4. Salamander
    Salamander 27 March 2014 12: 01
    +23
    I propose to arrange the supply of ballistic missiles in the United States and European countries! Drop shipping!

    1. gfhjkm
      gfhjkm 27 March 2014 12: 33
      +6
      But at the moment, the lion's share of Russia's nuclear missile potential is made up of systems developed and produced back in the Soviet era. Most of the warheads of intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) are delivered to the target by launch vehicles and "products", either developed and manufactured at enterprises located on the territory of present-day Ukraine, or equipped with control and aiming systems made back in the Ukrainian SSR. The "Ukrainian trace" can be "fixed" in more than 51-52 percent of land-based ICBMs, which, in turn, are the delivery vehicles for more than 82-83 percent of warheads.

      We are talking, in particular, about the system that forms the basis of the ground-based Russian strategic nuclear forces - about the R-36M UTTKh / R-36M2 Voevoda missile systems, they are also RS-20B / RS-20V or, according to NATO classification, SS-18 Mod.4 / SS-18 Mod.5 / Mod.6. Another common name for them in the West - Satan ("Satan"). The system is equipped with ten separable warheads of individual guidance - 8,4-8,8 tons of "payload" delivered to the target at distances up to 11-16 thousand km.
      All these modifications of the RS-20 (R-36M) were developed during the Soviet era in Ukraine, at the Yuzhnoye design bureau in Dnipropetrovsk. The same design bureau, in accordance with the decree of the government of the USSR of August 9, 1983, modified the missile so that it could overcome the promising American missile defense system. In theory, she still overcomes it. The control system for these complexes was developed at the Kharkov NPO Elektropribor (aka OKB-692, p / box A-7160, KB Elektropriborostroeniya), the largest developer and manufacturer of control systems for strategic missiles, launch vehicles in the Soviet Union spacecraft (light and middle class), control systems for heavy class spacecraft. Now it is Kharkiv PJSC "Khartron". The missiles were serially produced in Soviet Ukraine - at the Dnepropetrovsk plant "Yuzhmash". It is these missiles that still make up a significant part - about 15 percent - of Russian silo-based heavy ICBMs, which carry up to 45 percent of "ground" warheads. The "freshest" of these systems is already at least a quarter of a century old, and they have already been repeatedly extended their warranty periods - but there is no alternative to these systems yet. And this is possible only because to this day it is the specialists of the Yuzhny design bureau and the Yuzhmash plant that carry out guaranteed designer supervision and analysis of the technical condition of Russian missiles, participating in work to extend their service life.

      Spare parts for these ICBMs are also supplied by Yuzhmash. Colonel-General Viktor Yesin, former chief of the Strategic Missile Forces General Staff, recently stated that "we have an intergovernmental agreement on this matter."
      http://www.svoboda.org/content/article/25308098.html
      We are more likely to be afraid of Ukrainian sanctions than American ones. Draw conclusions.
      1. Salamander
        Salamander 27 March 2014 12: 39
        +21
        Here is one more reason for "polite people" to occupy the South-East of Ukraine!
        1. sazhka4
          sazhka4 27 March 2014 13: 08
          +7
          Quote: Salamander
          Here is one more reason for "polite people" to occupy the South-East of Ukraine!

          This is the reason to do everything ourselves. After all, there are a lot of things that aren’t nashenskogo on the fighters .. Israel, France ...
        2. gfhjkm
          gfhjkm 27 March 2014 15: 03
          +4
          It’s easier to do, it’s simple to lure all the specialists to Russia in a place with all the technical documentation, for a big salary, a social package apartment. The question is strategic.
          1. sazhka4
            sazhka4 29 March 2014 13: 18
            0
            Quote: gfhjkm
            The question is strategic.

            Russian flag .. And who are you? .. where are you? We are just Russians .. What and who and where and where .. This is our meadow, and the Hares here are always ours .. And the Flag This is not just a canvas .. This is the Banner and the Banner.
      2. raven75
        raven75 27 March 2014 12: 47
        +9
        Yeah not bad. And in the course that Russia, a long time ago, has its own production, not a bit dependent on unhappy Ukraine ...
        1. gfhjkm
          gfhjkm 27 March 2014 12: 54
          -4
          The plane supposedly Russian Super Jet 100 is assembled from more than 50% of foreign sets. including engines and if they are sanctioning and stop supplying the kit. the super jet project can be very fast.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 27 March 2014 13: 03
            +18
            Then Boeing and Airbass will quickly lose Russian titanium. Let's see how many planes take off without these power elements.
            1. gfhjkm
              gfhjkm 27 March 2014 13: 10
              -1
              I am not a supporter of any sanctions. But in my opinion, to call a Russian plane consisting of more than half of the foreign kit. no way.
              1. White53
                White53 27 March 2014 14: 17
                +4
                And then what about Ukraine and the Ukrainian language, there are more Russian-speakers? RENAME?
            2. Professor
              Professor 27 March 2014 13: 16
              +3
              Quote: Wedmak
              Then Boeing and Airbass will quickly lose Russian titanium.

              Not at Boeing, but at Airbus, Russia is not the only supplier of titanium alloys and products from them. In some cases, it is the main supplier, some alternative.

              Quote: Wedmak
              Let's see how many planes take off without these power elements.

              Not at all.
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 27 March 2014 15: 47
                +1
                Not at Boeing, but at Airbus, Russia is not the only supplier of titanium alloys and products from them.

                It is reasonable, of course, but even with the cessation of these supplies, it will hurt these firms. The integration of technological processes in various fields has reached the point that it would be time to unite the whole world and build a space fleet - there will be enough forces, but ... I’m kind of not a supporter of unleashing a war of sanctions, but this choir, with the conductor’s stick of exceptional USA, is a little tired.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 27 March 2014 17: 01
                  +3
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  It is reasonable, of course, but even with the cessation of these supplies, it will hurt these firms.

                  It won’t hit at all. They will transfer an alternative supplier from which they are now buying 20% ​​to the category of the main one and find a new alternative. Normal practice is nothing special.
              2. Aleksey_K
                Aleksey_K 27 March 2014 19: 46
                +2
                It is very difficult to replace the titanium alloy from Russia with another. Just like steel. The standards are different, manufacturing techniques and, as a result, quality. So again, many years of testing and certification are needed. No one will fly on airplanes that either crash or not, even pilots.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 27 March 2014 21: 40
                  +2
                  Quote: Алексей_К
                  It is very difficult to replace the titanium alloy from Russia with another. Just like steel. The standards are different, manufacturing techniques and, as a result, quality.

                  What are you talking about? Russia is not an exclusive supplier of titanium to Boeing. In your opinion, the remaining suppliers have not passed certification?
            3. iConst
              iConst 27 March 2014 13: 48
              0
              Quote: Wedmak
              Then Boeing and Airbass will quickly lose Russian titanium. Let's see how many planes take off without these power elements.

              God forbid - merkos buy 10% of Russian titanium from their needs.
              Stop threatening with a straw sword. You need to find a real club.

              Quote: gfhjkm
              The plane supposedly Russian Super Jet 100 is assembled from more than 50% of foreign sets. including engines and if they are sanctioning and stop supplying the kit. the super jet project can be very fast.

              Everything is correct. And the sanctions in this regard will finally be beaten by a barely moving superjet.

              Dumb minuscule people need to look for the remnants of their brain and try to turn it on.
              1. White53
                White53 27 March 2014 14: 22
                +2
                Major, do not be your general! Cooperation is included for the gradual replacement of components for your production. Regarding the threats, this is on your part!
          2. raven75
            raven75 27 March 2014 13: 11
            +4
            You, too, supposedly Russian, but in reality ... Russia has a superset, and you are super ... ar.
          3. White53
            White53 27 March 2014 14: 13
            +1
            To your regret, hrn wait!
          4. Orc-xnumx
            Orc-xnumx 27 March 2014 14: 20
            +1
            It just gets more expensive, because dealers will be involved.
  5. il2.chewie
    il2.chewie 27 March 2014 12: 02
    +5
    Their gut is thin. And their Abrams are only suitable as training targets
    1. Salamander
      Salamander 27 March 2014 12: 17
      +34
      Yeah, our tanks are the best!
      1. asv96
        asv96 27 March 2014 13: 10
        +6
        It’s scary such red eyes to see where the thread in the forest in the evening
        1. iConst
          iConst 27 March 2014 13: 58
          +2
          Quote: asv96
          It’s scary such red eyes to see where the thread in the forest in the evening

          Mushroom picker - yes. But the enemy these infrared spotlights are the best gift.

          On modern tanks, infrared illuminators are not installed - a passive thermal imaging system is used. To use in battle is "calling fire on myself." And without a fight, well, maybe. But then you can turn on the usual spotlight.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 27 March 2014 15: 16
            +3
            Quote: iConst
            On modern tanks, infrared illuminators are not installed - a passive thermal imaging system is used. To use in battle is "calling fire on myself." And without a fight, well, maybe. But then you can turn on the usual spotlight.

            This is because you do not know what they are for.
            1. iConst
              iConst 27 March 2014 15: 30
              +2
              Quote: Setrac
              This is because you do not know what they are for.

              Well, waiting for typing popcorn - why?
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 27 March 2014 15: 35
                +1
                Quote: iConst
                Well, waiting for typing popcorn - why?

                This is classified information. Chew popcorn, don't be shy.
                1. iConst
                  iConst 27 March 2014 15: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  This is classified information. Chew popcorn, don't be shy.

                  Eh, that’s always like that - at first they squeak, they intrigue - and then the tongue in the ass ...

                  Okay, I'll watch a movie - popcorn has stayed ...
            2. Aleksey_K
              Aleksey_K 27 March 2014 19: 49
              0
              They don’t know exactly why there are two IR illuminators. They are for blinding infrared warheads.
          2. Wedmak
            Wedmak 27 March 2014 16: 02
            0
            To use in battle is "calling fire on myself."

            If I'm not mistaken, this spotlight gives such a flare that the entire field of the sight becomes monophonic and you can’t see where the tank itself is. Actually, for this, he stands to confuse IR-guided missiles.
            But they really don’t even put them in pairs.
            1. iConst
              iConst 27 March 2014 16: 11
              +1
              Quote: Wedmak
              To use in battle is "calling fire on myself."

              If I'm not mistaken, this spotlight gives such a flare that the entire field of the sight becomes monophonic and you can’t see where the tank itself is. Actually, for this, he stands to confuse IR-guided missiles.
              But they really don’t even put them in pairs.

              Well, I was dealing with various image sensors. And it is very easy for me as a specialist to get around this problem:
              1. Stupidly turns on the filter
              2. Decrease in sensitivity of the sensor
              3. Installing (in a rocket) a second sensor with reduced sensitivity (a penny — anyone will do).

              In any case, the spotlight is a target indicator - I'm here!
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 27 March 2014 17: 29
                +1
                Quote: iConst
                Installing (in a rocket) a second sensor with reduced sensitivity (a penny — anyone will do).

                But what’s already there, immediately install the second homing head on the rocket, instead of the warhead, and let the warhead fly yard in the second missile.
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 27 March 2014 17: 43
                  0
                  immediately install a second homing head on the rocket

                  They put, but expensive, and not on tank missiles.
                  and let the warhead fly by the yard in the second rocket.

                  You won’t believe ... there is such a grenade launcher. I don’t remember the name, but it has two missiles, one small - it flies first, the second large, tandem, the second flies. The first triggers the active protection of the Curtain type, the second activates dynamic armor and pierces the main charge with the second charge. A terrible thing.
                  1. Aleksey_K
                    Aleksey_K 27 March 2014 19: 59
                    0
                    This is a Russian development. The Americans have not yet.
                  2. Setrac
                    Setrac 28 March 2014 13: 58
                    0
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    You won’t believe ... there is such a grenade launcher. I don’t remember the name, but it has two missiles, one small - it flies first, the second large, tandem, the second flies.

                    That’s exactly what I won’t believe, because it’s not a rocket, but a grenade, a significant difference. We are not talking about any guidance.
                2. iConst
                  iConst 27 March 2014 18: 12
                  0
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Quote: iConst
                  Installing (in a rocket) a second sensor with reduced sensitivity (a penny — anyone will do).

                  But what’s already there, immediately install the second homing head on the rocket, instead of the warhead, and let the warhead fly yard in the second missile.

                  I’ll tell you the secret of the Opener (for you): the development of technology happens like this - the eternal competition of armor and shell.

                  But, your tank in which you are sitting cannot defeat any rocket. laughing
              2. Wedmak
                Wedmak 27 March 2014 17: 36
                +1
                The filter stupidly turns on

                Which one? In addition to IR sights, only ordinary optical sights are put on the tanks, and from them they are of no use at night.
                Decreased Sensor Sensitivity

                And you won’t see anything ... the target must first be identified, and then a missile aimed at it. And the missiles are guided either by the laser beam, or by wires, or they fly stupidly directly dropping to the ground. So how will you be induced with reduced sensor sensitivity?
                Installing (in a rocket) a second sensor with reduced sensitivity (a penny — anyone will do).

                Yeah. Let’s put the radar with AFAR on the rocket, what is the little thing? In general, there will be no problems with guidance.
                In any case, the spotlight is a target indicator - I'm here!

                And he can still be disconnected, actually.

                You were dealing with image sensors, but the optical properties of light were apparently poorly taught.
                1. iConst
                  iConst 27 March 2014 18: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  .
                  And he can still be disconnected, actually.

                  You were dealing with image sensors, but the optical properties of light were apparently poorly taught.

                  I am disappointed. You give some amateurish antediluvian methods.

                  I explain:
                  1. Filters are different - for any frequency ranges. The cost is minimal.

                  2. The sensitivity of the sensors is triggered automatically: have you ever held a household camcorder in your hands?
                  2.1 Ammunition controlled by wire, laser beam, and even more so unguided for tank weapons - the century before last. This is from the bushes you can take anti-tank missiles. And now, with a high chance of raking to the target's defeat.

                  3. Yeah, the troll is already. Yes, dear, invest in smart shells. Because arithmetic: a tank costs at least 1 lama of Baku. And the most sophisticated ammunition is two orders of magnitude smaller.

                  4. "And I also eat her!" - from an interview with a boxer (about his own head). laughing

                  Read more about modern guidance systems for "smart" ammunition: they work not only in the IR range, but also (note: at the same time) in the UV. The memory contains maps of different types of military equipment and the ammunition decides where to fuck.

                  In any case, the statement that the searchlight thus fixed is blinding does not stand only this: it is not known from which side the "gift" will arrive. And the turn of the tower ... well, I see.
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 27 March 2014 20: 06
                    +1
                    Filters are different - for any frequency range. The cost is minimal.

                    I do not argue. Only now the sensitivity of the radiation detector matrix has not been canceled yet. It is impossible to create a matrix that is equally sensitive to all wavelengths. At least filter out. Moreover, UV and IR seem to be on opposite sides of the wavelength scale. So, the filter can be two or ten, but the receiver matrix receives the same sensitivity as UV, IR, and the visible range .. fantastic.
                    that, never held a camcorder in his hands

                    That's just the point that he kept. Point it at a bright source of light, will you see a lot of objects next to it? A miss in a meter can already save the crew of a tank of life.
                    Ammunition controlled by wire, laser beam, and even more so unguided for tank weapons - the century before last

                    I agree with the wires, but on the laser beam .. are you serious ??? And how many unguided landmines and crowbars (OBPS) are used in ... ALL modern tank missiles are laser-guided, the principle of guidance is only different.
                    Yes, dear, invest in smart shells. Because arithmetic: a tank costs at least 1 lama of Baku. And the most sophisticated ammunition is two orders of magnitude smaller.

                    I do not argue, are invested. A maximum of what they achieved was a pair of homing heads, including laser, IR and sometimes optical (more is used on anti-tank systems). Not all electronics can withstand overload when fired.
                    And the most sophisticated ammunition is two orders of magnitude smaller.

                    Will the tank always be the target? And if you need to gouge an armored personnel carrier? Already we scratch turnips, is it worth it, use a rocket or do it by landmine? That is why there are few missiles in the ammunition.
                    . The memory contains maps of various types of military equipment and the ammunition itself decides where to hammer.

                    So, minute, what ammunition are we talking about?
                    In any case, the statement that the searchlight thus fixed is blinding does not stand only this: it is not known from which side the "gift" will arrive. And the turn of the tower ... well, I see.

                    How stubborn you are.
                    "The T-90 has 2 IR illuminators, which are part of the Shtora optoelectronic suppression system"
                    We look carefully
                    http://my.mail.ru/video/mail/igor.kamenyuk.62/772/778.html
                    1. iConst
                      iConst 27 March 2014 21: 15
                      0
                      Quote: Wedmak
                      It is impossible to create a matrix that is equally sensitive to all wavelengths.

                      Who said about one matrix?

                      Quote: Wedmak
                      Point it at a bright source of light, will you see a lot of objects next to it?

                      That's it! We do not need other objects - we need this particular source.

                      Quote: Wedmak
                      ALL modern tank missiles are laser-guided, the principle of guidance is only different.

                      All modern missiles (if we talk about really modern ones) use the "fire and forget" principle. The ray is easily identified and expect an immediate return gift. It was this system that was first developed by the Tula Design Bureau (I don’t remember the name) that caused psychosis among the Mercos and this enterprise was for a long time under the Pindotian ban. All enterprises in the world (!) Were forbidden to cooperate with him.

                      Quote: Wedmak
                      Not all electronics can withstand overload when fired.

                      Deny existence? :)

                      Quote: Wedmak
                      Will the tank always be the target? And if you need to gouge an armored personnel carrier?

                      Oh, let's go! What about a bike?

                      Quote: Wedmak
                      So, minute, what ammunition are we talking about?

                      Damn him! About those which can’t be fooled by a flashlight.

                      Quote: Wedmak
                      How stubborn you are.
                      "The T-90 has 2 IR illuminators, which are part of the Shtora optoelectronic suppression system"
                      We look carefully

                      I looked carefully: we are talking about controlling the projectile with the help of sights. Those. the operator or guidance system is far away.
                      This, by today's standards, is not the "freshest" weapon.
                      For example, against Javelin, these spotlights are useless, especially in vertical attack mode. and javelin for over a dozen years.
                      1. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 27 March 2014 21: 42
                        0
                        Who said about one matrix?

                        In the tank, and so the place is rapidly decreasing, and you propose to carry a couple more fragile matrices and change them on the go? With fantasy you are fine.
                        That's it! We do not need other objects - we need this particular source.

                        That is, you want to get to a point with a diameter of 20 cm from .. what distance? The best guns have dispersion plus or minus a couple of meters.
                        All modern missiles (if we talk about really modern ones) use the "fire and forget" principle.

                        No, not all. Not everyone. Laser target designation prevails as the simplest. And he shot and forgot ... Well, this is more likely to be related to anti-aircraft and aircraft missiles with their active GOS.
                        Deny existence? :)

                        No, even the optical seeker was stuffed. But the more complex the electronics, the more prone to breakage. You want to stuff 2-3 heads into the shell, and even leave space for the explosive charge. That way and 203 mm caliber is not enough.
                        Oh, let's go! What about a bike?

                        Let's go ...))) If the missiles were so cheap and easy to manufacture, would they fire with BPS?
                        Damn him! About those which can’t be fooled by a flashlight.

                        This is already in the field of aviation. Against aircraft missiles, this flashlight is really powerless.
                        I looked carefully: we are talking about controlling the projectile with the help of sights. Those. the operator or guidance system is far away.

                        Nevertheless, blinding the operator will lead to the arch of the rocket from the trajectory, because the tank is moving. And therefore, it doesn’t matter who is blinded, an operator or a missile, a miss or deviation from the trajectory will give a chance to the tank crew. Of course, we are not talking about 100% protection.
                        For example, against Javelin, these spotlights are useless,

                        I do not argue. But how many of those javelins? And how much does this rocket cost? The tank can be banged by Iskander - in general there are no chances. The question is mass. The searchlight will save from most threats (together with other protection systems), and those relatively rare technological means that break through the protection ... there’s a war of armor and shells.
                      2. iConst
                        iConst 27 March 2014 22: 46
                        0
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        In the tank, and so the place is rapidly decreasing, and you propose to carry a couple more fragile matrices and change them on the go? With fantasy you are fine.

                        Uhh ... Are you a tankman?

                        I meant a matrix similar to a CCD.
                        I have already said nothing about the incompatibility you expressed in the same matrix of IR and UV sensors.
                        Domestic cameras have RGBW matrices. Those. - there are four sensors per pixel (image unit): red, green, blue and (attention!) white spectra. Although from the school course we know: there is no white color - this is the component of the first three. So white plays in this case the role of the brightness channel.
                        And now, by means of simple logical conclusions, we look: if there are sensors that can simultaneously red and blue (the extreme range), then from red to infrared - a stone's throw, like from blue .... - right, to ultraviolet .
                        And the deviation will not be by orders of magnitude, but a dozen or two percent, which allows us to say with confidence that this is achievable without breakthrough technologies.

                        And the last one is the matrix, even for a Full-HD screen it is a 2x2 cm plate.

                        I could answer the other objections no less fully, but already tired, and it became uninteresting, boring.
                      3. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 28 March 2014 07: 25
                        +1
                        Well, you compared household cameras and a tank sight ... but nothing that it should work in a temperature difference from -40 to +50? What about vibrations? But nothing that IR matrices cool for better sensitivity? You can of course assemble the matrix from different elements ... only the resolution of this matrix will be worthless. Because a third of the elements do not work on IR, a third on UV, and the remaining third in general only during the day in good weather. You are talking nonsense ...
                        And the last one is the matrix, even for a Full-HD screen it is a 2x2 cm plate.

                        So what? For example, we look at the top 36x24 mm cameras, but this is an expensive photo matrix that covers the heels of the filters from UV radiation, enlightenment, protection, etc. And then, at dusk sometimes it doesn’t see.
                        And you are going to make a universal matrix that sees UV and IR, and the visible range, and all on one plate. Fantast.
                        but already tired, and it became uninteresting, boring.

                        Really ... it's hard to fantasize.
                      4. iConst
                        iConst 28 March 2014 13: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        Really ... it's hard to fantasize.

                        That's for sure! Not tired yet? laughing

                        Devices with simultaneous "vision" in different frequency spectra have existed for a long time. For example, systems on combat helicopters.
                        Unfortunately, I don’t remember the resource now, but there was a movie similar to yours. But I think there is a TW here.

                        Fantasy is you. I give reasoned examples, for example, that even at the household level it is already possible to make a product with predetermined (albeit mediocre) characteristics with a price of a kilo / penny, not to mention military production.

                        It is you who come up with all kinds of "difficulties", sometimes absolute nonsense.

                        And this is called fat trolling.

                        But I understand where it comes from: you are always drawn in some archaic direction: you name the entire optics block as a matrix, in your understanding, this is a replacement for heroic attacks on armor under bullets, etc.

                        You are not aware that optical systems are diverse. What ways to make vision in two or more spectra can be solved by other methods: for example, by dividing the streams with a prism and applying to different matrices.
                        That the system can be modular: optics, matrices, processing units, etc. which can be changed and modernized separately.

                        What you can not look into the optical sights, but to display it on the LCD.

                        Also my utopian fantasies?
                        laughing

                        Hey bo, tired of saying uppercase things. I did not work with tank sights. But I saw a lot of different military equipment and instruments. He himself worked in military production.

                        --------------
                        I propose to leave this topic at least until we clarify the thesis about what the battle is about.

                        Forget what I wrote above. Most likely there is a misunderstanding.
                    2. Setrac
                      Setrac 28 March 2014 14: 03
                      0
                      Quote: iConst
                      Domestic cameras have RGBW matrices.

                      This your home camera will crumble when fired
                2. Setrac
                  Setrac 28 March 2014 14: 05
                  0
                  Quote: iConst
                  Who said about one matrix?

                  there is such a thing as a bare-tank volume and it must be reduced, you won’t shove hundreds of millions of matrices and devices into the tank.
        2. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 27 March 2014 19: 58
          +2
          Stupidly, nothing will ever work out. Spotlights do not shine continuously. And the code flies up, blinded in a pulsed mode. Neither the Americans nor the Jews have invented such a filter. Probably only you. Yes, and the second sensor can not cope with the strength of the pulse. And once the rockets arrived, then the tank without infrared searchlights has already been detected. Therefore, they do not interfere.
          1. iConst
            iConst 27 March 2014 21: 20
            0
            Quote: Алексей_К
            Stupidly, nothing will ever work out. Spotlights do not shine continuously. And the code flies up, blinded in a pulsed mode. Neither the Americans nor the Jews have invented such a filter. Probably only you. Yes, and the second sensor can not cope with the strength of the pulse. And once the rockets arrived, then the tank without infrared searchlights has already been detected. Therefore, they do not interfere.

            And the blind rocket rushes in horror across the field ... joking ...

            I think this complex no longer fully meets modern requirements.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 27 March 2014 21: 44
              0
              I think this complex no longer fully meets modern requirements.

              Who would argue. Arena has a better chance of coping with the attack. But this does not mean that these headlights are ineffective against a certain type of attack.
              1. iConst
                iConst 28 March 2014 18: 27
                0
                Quote: Wedmak
                I think this complex no longer fully meets modern requirements.

                Who would argue. Arena has a better chance of coping with the attack. But this does not mean that these headlights are ineffective against a certain type of attack.

                yes damn it does not say. Only one snag: the time of approaching the projectile is not two hours and iterating over options starting somehow somehow primitive ...
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 28 March 2014 14: 08
              0
              Quote: iConst
              And a blind rocket tosses in horror across the field ...

              and swear loudly
  • rugor
    rugor 27 March 2014 12: 03
    +2
    Obstacles, which means US fears regarding our technology, are the best advertising. As confirmed by the numbers of contracts.
  • Retribution
    Retribution 27 March 2014 12: 03
    +2
    it’s better to build up the contingent than to sell.
    1. tasey
      tasey 27 March 2014 12: 41
      +4
      "... it's better to build up your contingent than to sell." - Not better. The more of our equipment abroad, the more allies. AND MONEY. We are slowly re-equipping our own. And we have a shield - the Strategic Missile Forces. Therefore, the US-shki "squeal" for any reason. From impotent anger
      1. Retribution
        Retribution 27 March 2014 18: 13
        0
        This is a delusion and profanation from a huckster, from a greedy and stupid huckster - a "warmonger". The Strategic Missile Forces is not a shield - this is the end of the world
  • Gagarin
    Gagarin 27 March 2014 12: 03
    +8
    Sanctions, dirt ... They’re not afraid of anything!
  • ole_ga
    ole_ga 27 March 2014 12: 06
    +5
    We have to keep up with everything, otherwise we will have only one sales manager soon.
  • zzzeka
    zzzeka 27 March 2014 12: 09
    +2
    Again - the dog barks, the caravan goes ...
  • fisherman
    fisherman 27 March 2014 12: 11
    +45
    Sanction Jumps
    1. Salamander
      Salamander 27 March 2014 12: 21
      +24
      Baska Abrasha demolished! Srendil laughing

    2. kocclissi
      kocclissi 27 March 2014 14: 18
      +3
      Can you do that? Yes once!
  • Smiles to you
    Smiles to you 27 March 2014 12: 12
    +5
    Barack at Bam, you have Spring exacerbation ... it happens. The dog barks, and the caravan continues to walk forward confidently. hi
    1. Salamander
      Salamander 27 March 2014 12: 36
      +33
      "What was it???" "Russians, sir!"
      1. fif21
        fif21 27 March 2014 15: 15
        +3
        "What was it???" "Russians, sir!" [/ Quote] Yeah, they are in a hurry to get alcohol to Alaska. laughing
  • Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 27 March 2014 12: 15
    +7
    According to Isaykin, there are enough senators in the US who would like to introduce a ban on the sale of weapons by Russia. We hear such calls every year.

    They would say right away - the Toad is crushing! What they began to buy less, because der-mo outdated for sale put up. And I want money!
  • avant-garde
    avant-garde 27 March 2014 12: 17
    +6
    The morning began on the collective farm laughing, there would be no help to these fools from the Maidan, as promised, they impose stupid sanctions on us.

    Activists near Rada protest against increasing recycling fee
    Near the Verkhovna Rada building, as of 9:30, a protest rally was held demanding that the utilization fee not be increased.


    This was reported by Censor.NET with reference to RBC-Ukraine.

    Read on "Censor.NET": For 4 months, Ukrainians did not pass a single car for recycling

    About 200 people gathered under the parliament building with Ukrainian flags and banners: "No recycling fee", "Do not raise excise taxes on gasoline."


    Protesters demand from the Rada not to make decisions that will lead to higher prices for oil products, as well as the cost of used cars.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 27 March 2014 13: 13
      +4
      Protesters demand from Rada not to make decisions that will lead to higher prices for oil products

      Lukashenka told Rada: “You guys don’t need to raise gasoline prices! stop . I myself yes ... ".
  • bender8282
    bender8282 27 March 2014 12: 18
    +37
    The lamb is dedicated ..
    1. from punk
      from punk 27 March 2014 12: 21
      +3
      Quote: bender8282
      The lamb is dedicated ..

      Husseinovich, the God-of-God has endowed our country with previously unknown sources of energy that we are ready to share with Europe. Do not remember the gentlemen in Sua
  • ed65b
    ed65b 27 March 2014 12: 19
    +9
    Urgently pass through the Federation Council a resolution introducing sanctions against the United States on arms transfers. Prohibit the United States from selling weapons around the world. What will be offered for sale to sell only through Rosoboronexport. laughing
  • STALGRAD76
    STALGRAD76 27 March 2014 12: 19
    +13
    I hear twenty minutes ago on the radio
    "According to the Pentagon, Russia has concentrated its troops on the mainland to the Ukrainian border and is ready to invade ......
    And I hear it on Sputnik radio in Volgograd and, to be honest, I am stunned, in my opinion it is beyond the bounds of decency ...
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 27 March 2014 12: 28
      +1
      Quote: STALGRAD76
      I hear twenty minutes ago on the radio
      "According to the Pentagon, Russia has concentrated its troops on the mainland to the Ukrainian border and is ready to invade ......
      And I hear it on Sputnik radio in Volgograd and, to be honest, I am stunned, in my opinion it is beyond the bounds of decency ...

      Do you have doubts?
      1. asv96
        asv96 27 March 2014 13: 14
        +4
        These are planned exercises, a year ago they planned to study there just coincided
    2. tasey
      tasey 27 March 2014 12: 46
      +13
      Well, go to "Sputnik" by a small delegation. The editor - face on the table, let him write "On his own ...". Fortunately, the countries of "democracy". I remember that this approach is not condemned.
  • KOSMOS
    KOSMOS 27 March 2014 12: 20
    +5
    And how striped you want to remove Rosoboronexport from the road. Get rid of a strong competitor and deprive us of profits! Oh well!
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 27 March 2014 12: 29
      -8
      Quote: KOSMOS
      And how striped you want to remove Rosoboronexport from the road. Get rid of a strong competitor and deprive us of profits! Oh well!

      We, besides India, nowhere intersecting with the United States, by the way, they removed us there from the road.
      1. vinc
        vinc 27 March 2014 14: 40
        +2
        Do you think we don’t want to squeeze our from already occupied countries?
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 27 March 2014 20: 24
          0
          Quote: Vinci
          Do you think we don’t want to squeeze our from already occupied countries?

          As far as I remember, only China, India and Algeria bought from us not on credit, the rest of the Mabuta were "bought" at our expense. China for the United States disappears automatically, in India they have already moved us, Algeria for many reasons from the United States will never buy. Perhaps Vietnam will eventually pass under the US, but so far it is unlikely.
  • Smiles to you
    Smiles to you 27 March 2014 12: 21
    +3
    Quote: avant-garde
    Protesters demand from the Rada not to make decisions that will lead to higher prices for oil products, as well as the cost of used cars.

    This is just the beginning ... It's a pity for ordinary people who do not care about the Maydanander banderlog ...
  • itr
    itr 27 March 2014 12: 22
    -8
    Seventy percent of comments are not constructive! so they wrote crap
    and instructed each other pluses)))))
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 27 March 2014 12: 49
      +10
      Seventy percent of comments are not constructive!

      Yours is included in this number.
    2. tasey
      tasey 27 March 2014 12: 52
      +5
      Not all are clever guys like Ulya, Tyagni, or Klitschko! We are, of course, simpler. And "crap" you will survey in sufficient quantities. Louse "Bily" is just the beginning
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 27 March 2014 12: 57
        +16
        Quote: tasey
        And "crap" you will survey in sufficient quantities. Louse "Bily" is just the beginning


        Each time, when the Ukrainian government offends our nyash, one muzychko dies in the world!
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 27 March 2014 15: 48
          +2
          Khan Tyagniboku .. or whoever issued that stupid decree there?
        2. Serg 122
          Serg 122 27 March 2014 21: 08
          +1
          Each time, when the Ukrainian government offends our nyash, one muzychko dies in the world!
          No wonder. Her middle name is Vladimirovna !!!
    3. Salamander
      Salamander 27 March 2014 12: 53
      +4
      Quote: itr
      Seventy percent of comments are not constructive! so they wrote crap
      and instructed each other pluses)))))


      Well, this is not the State Duma to deal only with "constructive" issues. People communicate, share opinions, you also shared, you were not appreciated. Write constructively laughing
    4. iConst
      iConst 27 March 2014 15: 39
      0
      Quote: itr
      Seventy percent of comments are not constructive! so they wrote crap
      and instructed each other pluses)))))

      It’s time to get used to the intellectual capabilities of this part of the local public. laughing
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 27 March 2014 12: 27
    +1
    Honor is on a milen, abilities on a penny. They are not afraid of sanctions ...
    Two giant investment projects of the Almaz-Antey air defense concern stand apart: in 2012, in Nizhny Novgorod and Kirov, construction of large secret plants for the production of ground-based air defense systems and missile weapons for them began. According to unofficial data, about 40 billion rubles (more than $ 1,3 billion) were invested in each plant. The commissioning of rocket plants is scheduled for 2015.

    Here is the answer to the question of those who "do not have sanctions", what equipment will be installed at these plants?
    1. Made in Russia
    2. Made in China
    3. Made in Europe
    If you are sure that this is 1, then you can dance until you drop, this is really a holiday. If your option is 2, then you should scratch your head and think what will come of it. If your option is 3, then finish clowning around.
    And further. The head of Rosoboronexport, Anatoly Isaykin, can talk about the prospects for the export of Russian warships without Ukrainian gas turbines? There are none of our own, or rather there are:
    Siemens Gas Turbine Technology (65% at Siemens, 35% at Power Machines Alexei Mordashov) will build a completely new plant for the production of high power gas turbines (166 and 292 MW). An impressive amount will be invested in the construction - 366 million dollars. High-power gas turbines are a long-standing empty gap in the Russian power engineering market.

    Well, we are not afraid of sanctions ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 27 March 2014 12: 55
      +8
      So a double edged sword anyway. Under option 3, Europe may well be, if not without gas, then at draconian prices. The plants will wait, nothing will happen to them, but it is better to wait for the cold in the warmth.
      Russian gas turbines - well, investment is good. Everything is better than depending on a scruffy man trying to sit on two chairs.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 27 March 2014 13: 05
        0
        Quote: Wedmak
        So a double edged sword anyway.

        Denis, Europe has uploaded gas reserves for a year in storage facilities; moreover, they can increase at the expense of Norway and the USA, in any case they have more odds for more than a year. If they do not extend sanctions back and forth with Crimea, but if they enter Ukraine, they will have no doubt! They cut it to the fullest and it doesn’t seem enough despite any financial losses. It is clear that the top will not die away, as they lived in communism and will live on, but the people will press it this way, it will not seem enough ... sausage with soya will be a delicacy ...
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. explorer
          explorer 27 March 2014 14: 03
          +5
          Well, the answer in this situation is the standard "AND CHO?" yes
          but in fact: there are third countries through which we can get from the same companies (of course, we will have to add intermediaries) that is required.
          “Are we like Iraq quietly souring under sanctions?”
        3. dmb
          dmb 27 March 2014 14: 47
          +3
          We love to speak "competently" a la: "In one fell swoop seven beats." All of them have already come off the keyboard and moved to the levers of tanks, but NATO has 5 times more of them. The "keyboard commanders" are not discouraged: "We will hit with a vigorous bonboy across Kharkov", they suddenly get pissed off. The fact that there are Russian people living in Kharkov, whom the "computer warriors" are going to protect, does not bother them too much. To be honest, I don't know how our "leaders" will behave in this situation. On the one hand, abandoning the East to the mercy of fate means in many ways losing the trust of your fellow citizens, getting a lot of Russian refugees and destabilization. On the other hand, by introducing troops, get real, and not, as now, nominal sanctions, and the consequences you described. Destabilization in this case is also guaranteed. True, it will have a slightly different character in my opinion. The third option - catchy to the English Channel, I do not consider because of its idotism.
          1. iConst
            iConst 27 March 2014 15: 09
            +5
            Quote: dmb
            We love to speak "competently" a la: "In one fell swoop seven beats."

            Come on ... Let them frolic. This is such a degree of patrio / idio / tism. laughing

            Better so.

            But, seriously speaking, in reality we ourselves can seriously promote the country at the international level in three years. We are ordinary people.

            You just need to simply invite all the geyropeytsy (by the way - the majority is against these features) and the Merkos. Just a week or two to visit.

            Go to the forums and invite. Many people really want to visit Russia, but firstly: they are afraid (bears in the streets of Moscow, Cossacks drive around with whips).
            And secondly, expensive and bad information. In the same geyrop, a bunch of all kinds of stands where you always find out what-where-when and how much is going (transport).

            I personally know some people who visited Russia and when they returned, they simply became marginalized in their companies.
            Because they just returned - they watch their news about Russia and become frenzied. They are trying to prove that this is not so - and they are beginning to look at them as agents of Moscow ...

            Wild people - Geyropeytsy laughing

            So back to my thought: such a painstaking action will be more powerful than all tanks, missiles and other military rhetoric. And merkosia will die in cramps - their own coca will take all sorts of obamas and other monkeys.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 27 March 2014 16: 05
              +2
              Good idea by the way. We’ll make money on tourism, there’s something to see, and we’ll tear the patterns to shreds.
          2. Wedmak
            Wedmak 27 March 2014 15: 57
            +1
            That's only NATO has 5 times more

            And they are scattered across half the globe. Do you think ours will not notice the active transportation and the concentration of these mastodons at the borders?
            On the one hand, leaving the East to the mercy of fate means in many ways losing the trust of its fellow citizens, gaining a mass of Russian refugees and destabilization. On the other hand, by introducing troops, get real, and not, as now, nominal sanctions, and the consequences described by you.

            Maybe there is a third option? Let's say support the transition to the federal structure of Ukraine - 100% knocks the soil out of Natsik’s feet.
            1. dmb
              dmb 27 March 2014 16: 19
              +1
              How so?
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 27 March 2014 16: 31
                +1
                How is that? Support federalization? I don’t know, I don’t own all the information on the state of affairs in Ukraine and I can’t offer specific tactics.
                And the soil will be knocked out under the feet in the simplest way - each federal district has its own electoral system and its own laws. No matter how Natsik is perverted in Kiev, frankly fascist laws will not pass and will not be supported locally.
                1. dmb
                  dmb 27 March 2014 16: 35
                  0
                  Don't you think that a person, when proposing, should not only express his dream, but also give some specifics, otherwise it is very childish: "It would be nice to find a bucket of diamonds and a box of ice cream."
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 27 March 2014 17: 02
                    0
                    Any specifics and even more so to plan such major actions can be disposed of with facts. I cited only a scenario.
                    Putin has a whole ministry working for this + the FSB, the GRU and many other secret words - they can develop specific options. I have only open sources of information, often unverified, or even false. And the ability to analyze to the best of strengths and abilities.
                    So the phrase "Let's say to support the transition to a federal structure in Ukraine - 100% knocks the ground out from under the feet of the Nazis." should be considered as my personal opinion based on the analysis of unverified and verified data. You want to object - please. The discussion is open.
                    1. dmb
                      dmb 27 March 2014 20: 13
                      0
                      Of course I want. The analysis of the facts assumes the existence of a conclusion based on them. If you said which of your verified and unverified facts testify to the possibility of federalization (I don’t really understand what you are investing in this concept, and how it will knock the soil out of the Natsiks). I don’t quite understand what kind of ministry Putin is talking about. However, this is particular. I did not try to find out from you the names of the agents, passwords, address and attendance. I’m interested in what exactly, about your opinion, they should do on these appearances so that the notorious federalization sets in. To exhort in a word, to carry out shooting, etc.
                      1. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 27 March 2014 21: 22
                        +1
                        I’m interested in what exactly, about your opinion, they should do on these appearances so that the notorious federalization sets in. To exhort in a word, to carry out shooting, etc.

                        Shooting, God forbid, are you ...
                        The Maidanites are about to reach the point when they need to decide what to do next. The self-appointed government has no control over anything in essence. The "Right Sector" or gangs under its cover began to spread throughout the country, robbing, extorting, etc. The West of Ukraine is against Russia, the East and South are pro-Russian. Here is the initial data.
                        And then ... we already see the division into two parts. The question now is whether Turchinov and the "government" will be able to suppress the sector's radicals? If we cannot, we will get a terrible nationalistic country, at least five or six years. Until they eat themselves. If he can completely suppress, which I doubt, he will not be able to rule the country, his government is also not entirely legitimate, and no one has heard any plans for the country's development. Dead end.
                        There is only one way out of this impasse, a federal structure, i.e. regions of Ukraine are endowed with powers sufficient for independent existence within such a federation. As a result, we will get "federal districts" with their governments and security officials, which will prevent radicals from spreading (at least greatly complicating their life) - few people wait for them anywhere, and will give the regions a chance to find people who can unite people and work out at least some kind of development plan.
                        Well, when everything calms down, you won’t have to wait long for the unification. With whom, the question is separate.
                        Perhaps Russia will also actively participate in these processes. Especially in the Eastern and Southern regions.
                      2. dmb
                        dmb 27 March 2014 22: 01
                        0
                        Do not be offended, but you are naive. As a result, you intend to get "federal districts with their governments and security forces." Or do you think that this is the blue dream of any of the Ukrainian rulers who have a little more serious power. The power will be with those who have the power and for whom the West stands. This is Yulia, Yarosh and Yatsenyuk, well, also Chocolate. Well, which of these freaks would agree to share power voluntarily? If the arrest of pro-Russian leaders is proceeding without hindrance in the East, this should tell you something.
                      3. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 27 March 2014 22: 06
                        0
                        May be. In general, I don’t consider myself a great strategist and have made many mistakes in my forecasts.
                        Of course, they do not like to share power, but if they cling, there will be no stone left from Ukraine. This is the saddest scenario, and somehow I don’t want to think about it, because the people will suffer first of all.
                        In the meantime, I do not see any other options for a non-power solution. Share, maybe you see.
                      4. dmb
                        dmb 27 March 2014 22: 24
                        0
                        Return to the start of the discussion. I wrote there that I do not see him, not only for Ukraine, but also for Russia, which is much worse.
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 27 March 2014 20: 45
      0
      Quote: dmb
      To be honest, I do not know how our "leaders" will behave in this situation. On the one hand, abandoning the East to the mercy of fate means in many ways losing the trust of your fellow citizens, getting a lot of Russian refugees and destabilization. On the other hand, by introducing troops, you will receive real, and not, as now, nominal sanctions, and the consequences described by you.

      We drove ourselves into such a stalemate. There was no need to rush to the Crimea, it would not have gone anywhere. It was necessary to put Yanukovych in Crimea as the legitimate president, having declared the Republic of Crimea a part of Ukraine that remained loyal to the previous government. It was not difficult to gather a part of the previous government in Crimea, recruit new members and declare this government to be the real government of Ukraine, which will call on the people of Ukraine to liberate Kiev from the "fascists / Bandera followers", as well as the Russian people. In no case was it possible to storm and seize military units in the Crimea, and demand their subordination to the legitimate government, 100% of the absolute majority of the military would take a neutral position, on the basis of these units it was necessary to form a "liberation army" and no matter how many there were " polite "and how many Ukrainians. Further Yanukovych calls for Putin's help to restore the constitutional order, Ukraine is "liberated", Ukrainian troops from Crimea enter Kiev and the "grateful" Yanukovych (who has "polite" guards) gives Crimea to Russia, Russian military bases remain in Ukraine, Transnistria is understandable. ..What would be the reaction of Europe? No more angry statements. NO sanctions because everything is legal, this is the most important thing for European officials.
      And now you need to send troops, but the consequences will be worthless, while the reason is so inappropriate that there is no doubt that someone in the world will not condemn him.
      1. dmb
        dmb 27 March 2014 22: 20
        +1
        Well, in a gloomy future, you and I seem to converge. I also tend to the second option. But regarding the "alternative versions of history", let me disagree. The policy of our "leader" has absolutely nothing to do with it, the situation simply left him no choice. History knows such cases. After his "departure", Yanukovych is not needed by anyone and he is not Pastor Schlag, so that in the event of an "unexpected death" his bright name would inspire the people to fight against ... and further down the list. "Polite people" are not robots either, and if they would fight for the Crimea, it is far from a fact for the aforementioned "legitimate" one. After he dealt with the security forces who defended him in Kiev, 100% support of the army is a myth. And your statement about the donation of Crimea is absolutely ridiculous. In this regard, he is similar to Nikita only in nationality. He has neither the strength nor the rights to anything else.
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 28 March 2014 08: 05
          0
          Quote: dmb
          But about the "alternative versions of history", let me disagree

          Quote: dmb
          After his "departure" Yanukovych is not needed by anyone and he is not pastor Schlag, so that in the event of an "unexpected death" his bright name would inspire the people to fight against ... and further down the list.

          Yanukovych in this case is only a talking doll, just on his behalf there are a number of persons who organize a trip to Kiev. For the world there is a difference which troops will enter Kiev, Russian or nominally Ukrainian. In the first case, it is aggression and occupation, in the second, internal disassembly of Ukrainians.
          1. dmb
            dmb 28 March 2014 09: 00
            0
            The world is deeply on the drum of Ukraine, Yanukovych and Kiev. Most don't know where it is at all. Even the majority of Russians do not care about the situation in Ukraine. Do not flatter yourself with pictures from TV screens. Have you seen a lot of rallies about the rise in gasoline prices or the increase in utility tariffs? But this directly concerns everyone's pocket. Tell me honestly, you went to a rally in defense of the Crimean people because you were called by a neighbor at the entrance, or at the behest of the head who voiced the "wishes" of the city mayor. In our hearts we are all for Crimea, but why should we go? You are trying to project the romance of Soviet society onto today's life, and even in it, starting from the 80s, pragmatism began to be present, which led us to collapse. So, no matter what troops from the Crimea went to Kiev, the result would be the same. The West would not accept this, because then why would they even organize this crap with the Maidan.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 27 March 2014 15: 53
    +1
    Europe has annual gas reserves in storage

    Well, a year ... well, two if you pull up Norway and somehow bring it from the USA. What next? So they will carry gas on tankers across the Atlantic? Yes, it will cost like uranium of the same weight! Let me remind you, some comrades abandoned the nuclear power plant. It may be enough to heat the gas, but the industry will be bent. Further - many European plants are already in Russia, will they be closed too? It is unlikely ... the loss of such a huge market will kill them.
    So, whatever one may say, the EU will receive a forehead from the same rake that we framed.
    1. iConst
      iConst 27 March 2014 16: 23
      +1
      Quote: Wedmak
      Europe has annual gas reserves in storage

      Well, a year ... well, two if you pull up Norway and somehow bring it from the USA. What next? So they will carry gas on tankers across the Atlantic? Yes, it will cost like uranium of the same weight! Let me remind you, some comrades abandoned the nuclear power plant. It may be enough to heat the gas, but the industry will be bent. Further - many European plants are already in Russia, will they be closed too? It is unlikely ... the loss of such a huge market will kill them.
      So, whatever one may say, the EU will receive a forehead from the same rake that we framed.

      The reasoning is nice, but let's see:
      geyropa, merkosiya invest very heavily in renewable energy technology. And Germany is ahead of everyone. Considering the mild climate - not a match for ours, they will be able to forego gas for heating in the foreseeable future. But, most likely they will be left as a backup and extreme option - this will be the storage of liquefied gas.

      There will remain almost the only consumer - the chemical industry.
      And merkos and Norwegians can easily provide the need. Do not forget that as soon as they finish the rebellious Syria and take its hydrocarbon reserves under its wing, the thread from the Middle East will completely close the problem of diversification.

      And the price - who cares about the price? Where are the people going?
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 27 March 2014 17: 10
        +1
        Let's see.
        geyropa, merkosiya invest very heavily in renewable energy technology. And Germany is ahead of everyone.

        How much time will it take? Not a year or two for sure. Even with the injection of large funds.
        There will remain almost the only consumer - the chemical industry.
        And merkos and Norwegians can easily provide the need

        Maybe. Although, again, I doubt the adequate cost of such gas. Prices for chemical products climb up.
        Do not forget that as soon as they finish the rebellious Syria

        It is still written with a pitchfork on water. With the events in Ukraine, everyone somehow forgot about Syria, while Assad’s troops have so far successfully multiplied militants by zero.
        And the price - who cares about the price? Where are the people going?

        When people give more for food and utilities than they can imagine (psychological barrier), people will come to the next Maidan. Passed already.
        1. iConst
          iConst 27 March 2014 17: 51
          0
          Quote: Wedmak
          Let's see.
          geyropa, merkosiya invest very heavily in renewable energy technology. And Germany is ahead of everyone.

          How much time will it take? Not a year or two for sure. Even with the injection of large funds.
          There will remain almost the only consumer - the chemical industry.
          And merkos and Norwegians can easily provide the need

          Maybe. Although, again, I doubt the adequate cost of such gas. Prices for chemical products climb up.
          Do not forget that as soon as they finish the rebellious Syria

          It is still written with a pitchfork on water. With the events in Ukraine, everyone somehow forgot about Syria, while Assad’s troops have so far successfully multiplied militants by zero.
          And the price - who cares about the price? Where are the people going?

          When people give more for food and utilities than they can imagine (psychological barrier), people will come to the next Maidan. Passed already.

          I would like to be such an optimist, but I can also see with the naked eye that the transition to renewable sources is a matter of technology. But to revive high-tech production in Russia - the matter will be more complicated.

          As for the delivery of gas by tankers. They carry it now. If it were unprofitable, they would not have been transported.

          simple arithmetic (purely indicative, without real numbers):

          40% - Norway 10 $
          40% - Asia 10 $
          20% - merkosiya $ 20 (instead of Russian 10)

          The price increase ratio (if all 100% for $ 10):
          $ 120: $ 100 - i.e. rise in price by 20%. They will survive and will not go anywhere. And 50% will not go.

          And then - gas will be spent on plastics. Those. the finished product will not grow catastrophically either.

          And there are plenty of ways - to build a plant for the production of platmas in Venezuela ...

          The trouble is that their problems have visible solutions. Ours are not. An example of this is Skolkovo. The stolen billions, and the output is zilch.

          It offends me, but not a single Russian plant can release a complete vacuum cleaner in a full cycle. What to talk about further.

          We Russian men forgot how to work. Sports trainers are almost entirely foreign.
          Soon we will make uncles for our wives from behind the hill.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 27 March 2014 17: 56
            0
            As for the delivery of gas by tankers. They carry it now. If it were unprofitable, they would not have been transported.

            The point is not the profitability of transportation, but the price of buying it in the United States.
            And then - gas will be spent on plastics. Those. the finished product will not grow catastrophically either.

            Not only. Gas comes as fuel for many processes. And to spend simply in incredible quantities. You won’t even make a light bulb without gas.
            The trouble is that their problems have visible solutions. Ours are not.

            Just the opposite.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 27 March 2014 17: 31
        0
        Quote: iConst
        And the price - who cares about the price? Where are the people going?

        Well, actually this is the level of your knowledge. I understand that you need to work out denyuzhku here and chase all the blizzard, and so you are the smartest person. laughing
        1. iConst
          iConst 27 March 2014 18: 51
          0
          Quote: Setrac
          Quote: iConst
          And the price - who cares about the price? Where are the people going?

          Well, actually this is the level of your knowledge. I understand that you need to work out denyuzhku here and chase all the blizzard, and so you are the smartest person. laughing

          Gasoline, housing and communal services, the creeper is growing - and so what ?. Who-thread yanked? Default 98 was - what, did someone come out? But, there is an otmaza - they will leave without warning. Oh, what knowledge of the geyropeysky mentality.

          I will answer with the same coin: you work in the mail. Stamps lick and stick. I judge by the manner, with a lack (more precisely, their complete absence) of arguments, immediately label. laughing
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 28 March 2014 14: 18
            0
            Quote: iConst
            Gasoline, housing and communal services, a zhrachka is growing - so what ?. Who-thread yanked? Default 98 was - what, did someone come out?

            Quote: iConst
            I will answer with the same coin: you work in the mail. Stamps lick and stick.

            Well, you know how to shift from a sick head to a healthy one. But who cares who licks something (well, maybe only women care). The promise itself that the price does not matter is not fundamentally true, the difference is not by percent, but by times, and so that this alternatively gifted energy of yours works, the cost of alternative energy should be brought to a common denominator with traditional energy.
            And what does a higher price mean? This means that the production of your alternative energy takes the same gas, oil, coal, only in larger quantities than in traditional energy.
            1. iConst
              iConst 28 March 2014 15: 44
              0
              Quote: Setrac
              Quote: iConst
              Gasoline, housing and communal services, a zhrachka is growing - so what ?. Who-thread yanked? Default 98 was - what, did someone come out?

              Quote: iConst
              I will answer with the same coin: you work in the mail. Stamps lick and stick.

              Quote: Setrac

              Well, you know how to shift from a sick head to a healthy one. But who cares who licks something (well, maybe only women care). The promise itself that the price does not matter is not fundamentally true, the difference is not by percent, but by times, and so that this alternatively gifted energy of yours works, the cost of alternative energy should be brought to a common denominator with traditional energy.

              Dear, I will reveal a secret - during periods of upheaval, there has always been a reappraisal of values. Now in the same way, if we spit out, we shut off the valve - the price tag in the geyrop on energy will fly up.
              According to your theory, the geyropeyts will go out together and say: we demand to make concessions to Russia. Give cheap gas!

              Or they will say to their government - nafig, we will not consume gas, eat it yourself. Will we live without gas?

              So?

              Kwak, not a Kwak! They will buy clothes easier. Cheating is cheaper. Cars are more economical. Become more modest - that's all.
              Quote: Setrac

              And what does a higher price mean? It means that the production of your alternative energy takes the same gas, oil, coal, but in a larger amount than in traditional energy.

              I did not understand this at all.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 28 March 2014 17: 32
                0
                Quote: iConst
                Now in the same way, if we spit out, we shut off the valve - the price tag in the geyrop on energy will fly up.

                Yes, it will take off, but not so much that alternative energy can be recouped.
                Quote: iConst
                According to your theory, the geyropeyts will go out together and say: we demand to make concessions to Russia. Give cheap gas!

                Or they will say to their government - nafig, we will not consume gas, eat it yourself. Will we live without gas?

                Both options will go out on the street, but energy will still go up in price. The self-sufficiency of wind and solar energy is VERY far, a barrel of oil should cost a thousand dollars.

                Quote: iConst
                I did not understand this at all.

                This means the following. The high cost of solar and wind energy means that you invest the same oil, gas or coal when creating alternative power plants. The balance of alternative energy at this level of energy prices is negative, and the difference is not at percent, but at times.
                Thus (figuratively speaking), if in traditional energy you spend one unit of traditional fuel on the production of one unit of energy, then in alternative energy you spend three or four units of ordinary fuel (oil, gas, coal, atom) on the production of one energy unit, and compensate for the energy produced - only one.
                This does not mean that you do not need to deal with alternative energy, but to introduce such unprofitable technologies, to put it mildly, is unwise.
                1. iConst
                  iConst 28 March 2014 18: 15
                  0
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Both options will go out on the street, but energy will still go up in price.
                  ...

                  I don’t understand anything - I said this from the very beginning ... What have you been proving to me all this time?

                  Quote: Setrac
                  Thus (figuratively speaking), if in traditional energy you spend one unit of traditional fuel on the production of one unit of energy, then in alternative energy you spend three or four units of ordinary fuel (oil, gas, coal, atom) on the production of one energy unit, and compensate for the energy produced - only one.

                  Oh, and you can not figuratively, but in a normal way?
                2. Setrac
                  Setrac 28 March 2014 19: 19
                  0
                  Quote: iConst
                  What have you been proving to me all this time?

                  That alternative energy (the sun and wind) is unprofitable at the moment and does not bear energy savings, but on the contrary, it increases.

                  Quote: iConst
                  Oh, and you can not figuratively, but in a normal way?

                  Yes, much easier. The costs of producing solar and wind power stations are not paid back by the energy they produce. Moreover, it must be understood that the production of these power plants is the cost of the same energy carriers (gas, oil, coal, atom, hydropower), because each action in the economy (industry) requires energy.
                  To generate one unit of alternative energy, you need to spend 3-4 units of "fossil" energy.
                  You not only save that, but also spend extra.
                3. iConst
                  iConst 28 March 2014 20: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Quote: iConst
                  What have you been proving to me all this time?

                  That alternative energy (the sun and wind) is unprofitable at the moment and does not bear energy savings, but on the contrary, it increases.

                  Quote: iConst
                  Oh, and you can not figuratively, but in a normal way?

                  Yes, much easier. The costs of producing solar and wind power stations are not paid back by the energy they produce. Moreover, it must be understood that the production of these power plants is the cost of the same energy carriers (gas, oil, coal, atom, hydropower), because each action in the economy (industry) requires energy.
                  To generate one unit of alternative energy, you need to spend 3-4 units of "fossil" energy.
                  You not only save that, but also spend extra.

                  Uh, my friend, you lost the thesis (or purposely washed it up). I initially said only that the price will be exactly the same as that obtained from the current economic situation: they will decide to abandon Russian gas, to the detriment of prime cost, and that’s all. The population will eat and not choke.
                  Like in that joke: how two prisoners decided to play out of boredom ... I think they heard ...

                  And what have you come up with - your problems.

                  Second: from your arithmetic, I quietly mute: "one unit of alternative energy (while only mentioned from the wind / sun) - 3-4 units of fossil ...
                  What is so modest? Say already: 52! This accuracy will be disarming.

                  I want to ask a sarcastic question: where did the firewood come from? Source to the studio.

                  According to my information, windmills and sources on photocells "almost" pay off.
                  We take into account the progress in technology.
                  Remember how much LCD TVs cost 5 years ago? I hope the idea is clear.

                  Further, renewables do not end in wind and sun. And in general, more than a dozen: and fuel from oilseeds, and methane from biomass and ...

                  You, like the respected Witcher, either unconsciously troll, or look at the problem very narrowly.

                  Let me explain with an example: The task - a load of 2 kg is needed in the household. There is a stone of 2 kg and a piece of coal of 1,5 kg.
                  It turns out you take the stone, but I take the coal plus something else add up to 2 kg. With the expectation that coal can come in handy later.
                4. Setrac
                  Setrac 28 March 2014 23: 46
                  0
                  Quote: iConst
                  I initially said only that the price will be exactly the same as that obtained from the current economic situation: they will decide to abandon Russian gas, to the detriment of cost and that's it.

                  Your initial thesis is that they will give up Russian gas and switch to renewable sources, despite the price. It must be understood that in the trade in resources, the one who buys is richer, and not the one who sells, and while we sell priceless resources, they will not refuse.

                  Quote: iConst
                  Second: from your arithmetic, I quietly mute: "one unit of alternative energy (while only mentioned from the wind / sun) - 3-4 units of fossil ...
                  What is so modest? Say already: 52! This accuracy will be disarming.

                  This is not my arithmetic. Solar cells are on sale, calculate how much they cost and how much energy will be generated over the life of the unit.

                  Quote: iConst
                  Further, renewables do not end in wind and sun. And in general, more than a dozen: and fuel from oilseeds, and methane from biomass and ...

                  I’ll continue - oceanic plankton can give an ocean of fuel without any exaggeration, geothermal energy can be an uncowed field, if you use the Zaire River, then hydropower can cover up to a third of the energy industry of such a developed country as the United States.
                  However, the world's population is growing, as well as energy consumption per person is growing, sooner or later we will all return to nuclear energy.


                  Quote: iConst
                  Let me explain with an example: The task - a load of 2 kg is needed in the household. There is a stone of 2 kg and a piece of coal of 1,5 kg.
                  It turns out you take the stone, but I take the coal plus something else add up to 2 kg. With the expectation that coal can come in handy later.

                  I take a simple stone, but you take a piece of gold, the extraction of which spent a hundred times more coal by weight.
                5. iConst
                  iConst 29 March 2014 11: 30
                  0
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Your initial thesis is that they will give up Russian gas and switch to renewable sources, despite the price.

                  What a lie? Read the argument from the start.

                  Quote: Setrac
                  This is not my arithmetic. Solar cells are on sale, calculate how much they cost and how much energy will be generated over the life of the unit.

                  And here it is? Well, you and the economist! laughing
                  It's amazing to compare violet with perpendicular !!

                  Quote: Setrac
                  However, the world's population is growing, as well as growing energy consumption per person

                  And technologies are being improved and improved ... And they also "fight back". I hope you understand the meaning of the word.

                  Quote: Setrac
                  I take a simple stone, but you take a piece of gold, the extraction of which spent a hundred times more coal by weight.

                  The third time in the same dudu. You again do not understand.
                  Well, no offense, you think somehow straightforwardly and always put up concrete and momentary negative examples, while there are a lot of other ways.

                  A breakthrough in organic technology is already underway. The same OLED. And as soon as the initial costs pay off, the cost price drops sharply - super energy-consuming manufacturing processes are not needed. And the same photocells based on organic materials are now mainstream.

                  I'm tired of arguing about nothing. You change the vector all the time as soon as I show that the path is almost clear.
  • Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 28 March 2014 00: 33
    0
    Quote: Nayhas
    it doesn’t seem to be enough despite any financial losses.

    that is what they are afraid of and do not want to impose sanctions. finance is their god, how are they without money? and about "increase gas from Norway, etc.", what time will it be for them? and how much will they / will be able to "authorize" this way? globalization "p.
  • jjj
    jjj 27 March 2014 13: 45
    +6
    Quote: Nayhas
    warships without Ukrainian GTU? There are none of them, or rather there are:
    Siemens Gas Turbine Technology (65% at Siemens, 35% at Power Machines Alexei Mordashov) will build a completely new plant for the production of high power gas turbines (166 and 292 MW). An impressive amount will be invested in the construction - 366 million dollars. High-power gas turbines are a long-standing empty gap in the Russian power engineering market.
    Well, we are not afraid of sanctions ...

    Siemens yesterday assured Putin personally that it would increase direct investment in Russia, despite any sanctions. Siemens can only survive thanks to Russia
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 27 March 2014 13: 49
      +4
      Comrades, why did you start the EU EU !!! hi

      BERLIN, 26 March. / Corr. ITAR-TASS Anton Dolgunov. German Chancellor Angela Merkel spoke out in favor of resolving the crisis around Ukraine by political means without imposing economic sanctions against Russia. She said this in Berlin following a meeting with South Korean President Park Geun-hye.
      About 300 thousand jobs in Germany depend on economic relations with Russia, experts emphasize!
      Point! It’s all over sanctions!
      The head of the FRG government pointed out that the West "has not reached the stage involving the introduction of economic sanctions" against Moscow. “And I hope that this can be avoided,” the chancellor said. "I am not interested in escalation, on the contrary, I am working on de-escalation (of the situation)," said the chairman of the cabinet.

      German experts agree that economic sanctions against Russia would have a negative impact on the German economy. Last year, the trade turnover of Germany and the Russian Federation amounted to 76 billion euros, about 6 thousand German firms conduct business with Russian enterprises, and their total investment is 20 billion euros. About 300 thousand jobs in Germany depend on economic relations with Russia.

      Earlier, Russian Finance Minister Anton Siluanov, in an interview with the Russia 24 TV channel, commented on the actions of rating agencies to change the forecast for Russia's sovereign rating.

      "Investors are currently concerned about the consequences of the sanctions. We see that rating agencies have also downgraded their forecast on Russia's ratings. This is undoubtedly alarming," he said. "There are no basic reasons for changing the overall stability of the Russian economy."

      He stated that Russia has a strong balance of payments and the current account balance is improving. Siluanov also mentioned the hopes of foreign investors that the situation with the sanctions is "temporary."

      According to Siluanov, "neither Western companies nor Russia needs sanctions."

      “I hope that quantitative sanctions will not increase. The measures that have been taken against certain individuals and companies have their effect. The general mood around Russia has become nervous. But we have good business conditions. I urge foreign investors to look at the Russian Federation as a reliable partner, "the minister said.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 27 March 2014 16: 07
        +3
        This only proves how far you can chat to the tune of the United States. Everyone wants to eat.
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 27 March 2014 19: 20
      +1
      Quote: jjj
      Siemens yesterday assured Putin personally that it would increase direct investment in Russia, despite any sanctions. Siemens can only survive thanks to Russia

      If Russia does not take a step towards Ukraine, cooperation will continue, if it does, then no agreements will help. The Germans are a people of principle, they refused the Saudi contract for many billions of dollars, just because in Saudi Arabia everything is bad with human rights. Moreover, the French blocked the contract with them because the armored vehicles had German chassis. These contracts could lead Germany to first place in the arms trade, they could provide jobs for many years in Germany, because the Saudis themselves are not able to do a damn thing, but the principle is the principle, they will send us for it, do not even hesitate.
  • White53
    White53 27 March 2014 14: 31
    +1
    And the late Vlasov is not a relative of yours, otherwise the handwriting is similar. It is likely that the end will also be similar.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 27 March 2014 15: 22
    +2
    Quote: Nayhas
    Here is the answer to the question of those who "do not have sanctions", what equipment will be installed at these plants?
    1. Made in Russia
    2. Made in China
    3. Made in Europe

    Quote: Nayhas
    Well, we are not afraid of sanctions ...

    For a long time, there have been restrictions on the supply of equipment to Russia, what will they not deliver to us twice? Russia can stop the supply of raw materials abroad, enough to sell priceless resources.
  • ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 27 March 2014 12: 27
    +8
    Quote: Salamander
    I propose to arrange the supply of ballistic missiles in the United States and European countries! Drop shipping!


    DIRECT DELIVERY, ACCURATE DELIVERY. VOEVODA-LUX.
    1. tasey
      tasey 27 March 2014 12: 55
      +1
      That's for sure! Perhaps even "Super - Lux". I saw, I know
    2. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 27 March 2014 13: 06
      +5
      Somehow like this...

  • Smiles to you
    Smiles to you 27 March 2014 12: 28
    0
    Quote: itr
    Seventy percent of comments are not constructive! so they wrote crap
    and instructed each other pluses)))))

    I didn’t put any pluses, but if you ask so much, you don’t feel sorry. Catch ----- hi
  • Crazyzyear
    Crazyzyear 27 March 2014 12: 28
    +21
    The new trend of the American army
    1. Rokossovsky
      Rokossovsky 27 March 2014 14: 44
      +7
      The Americans are not the same ... laughing
  • The comment was deleted.
  • raven75
    raven75 27 March 2014 12: 29
    +6
    According to Isaykin, there are enough senators in the United States who would like to impose a ban on the sale of weapons by Russia ... Interestingly, those who need comparatively inexpensive and very high-quality weapons will listen to these "senators" ???! Nah will send and show the way , so as not to get lost. Not to mention who is interested, will be able to prohibit Russia from selling weapons, the name of the suicide bomber? Even during the Yeltsin lawlessness, the United States was afraid to interfere in our arms market. (Although spies, agents, and the like, were sent, do not count ).
  • DAYMAN
    DAYMAN 27 March 2014 12: 35
    +7
    According to the mind, it would also be better to discard the B / Ear equipment, and to deliver new to the aircraft in unlimited quantities ...
  • individual
    individual 27 March 2014 12: 39
    +7
    The US Senate Congress lives in the 85s of the last century.
    Russia, China drive Washington out of decision-making policy.
    The world is fleeting, but the USA is trampling in the past and has not found its future.
  • Smiles to you
    Smiles to you 27 March 2014 12: 46
    +18
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/624/jimm990.jpg
    1. Sochi
      Sochi 27 March 2014 14: 30
      +11
      Wanted to sell at the G-7 summit
  • alex47russ
    alex47russ 27 March 2014 12: 48
    +2
    Sanction volley! Oh, again, again, many more, many times!
  • Professor
    Professor 27 March 2014 12: 49
    +4
    Tanks are not afraid of sanctions

    Fear. French thermal imagers, machining centers bourgeois ...

    Quote: Sid.74
    Thanks to our Chinese friends!

    You are welcome. Only in the Superjet are the critical components bourgeois, the same French. There will be none and there will be no aircraft.

    Quote: Wedmak
    Actually in this plane from a purely Russian only a glider probably ...

    And he is not purely Russian, for example, gondolas for engines are made on Elbit.
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 27 March 2014 14: 29
      +2
      Quote: Professor
      You are welcome. Only in the Superjet are the critical components bourgeois, the same French. There will be none and there will be no aircraft.

      GSS suppliers, which account for at least 10% of the supply of all materials and raw materials for the production of Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft.

      KnAAZ - fuselage elements, center wing, pylon, wing mechanization, rivets. Assembly of aircraft.
      Thales - Avionics Supply.
      PowerJet - engine design and production SaM146.
      B / E Aerospace - oxygen system, interior, doors.

      The French themselves will be scolded if the engine parts stop producing! So your statement is doubtful!
      By engine SaM146!

      NPO Saturn, cold part, strapping details, etc., final assembly, testing, shipment to the Customer.
      Snecma - hot part, aggregates, etc.
      Aircelle - pipelines, electrical harnesses, etc.
      Techspace Aero - aggregates, etc.
      ACC La Jonchere - pipelines, etc.
      AVIO - gearbox, angle gear.
      others
    2. Babon
      Babon 27 March 2014 14: 32
      +1
      Professor
      Since you are so versed in aviation, maybe you heard about satellites? Something I heard that the Russian filling for satellites does not last long in space radiation conditions, it seems that Russia bought a lot here too?
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 27 March 2014 16: 10
        +2
        In Russia, problems with microchips for space. Small, expensive, so often purchased abroad.
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 27 March 2014 20: 06
          +2
          Nonsense, this issue was resolved in the 70 of the last century. He himself worked at such an enterprise.
      2. Professor
        Professor 27 March 2014 17: 08
        +1
        Quote: Babon
        Professor
        Since you are so versed in aviation, maybe you heard about satellites? Something I heard that the Russian filling for satellites does not last long in space radiation conditions, it seems that Russia bought a lot here too?

        I do not understand this very much. The elemental base is lame, this is not a secret. Navigation satellites live in orbit less than the American because of the worse efficiency of the engines supporting them in orbit.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 27 March 2014 17: 14
          +1
          Navigation satellites live in orbit less than the American because of the worse efficiency of the engines supporting them in orbit.

          Yah?? What engines supporting the satellite in orbit are you talking about?
          1. iConst
            iConst 27 March 2014 17: 23
            +1
            Quote: Wedmak
            Yah?? What engines supporting the satellite in orbit are you talking about?

            About the very same orbital and satellite orientation adjustment engines. These are low-power engines.
            At a distance of 100-200 km from the Earth is still not a vacuum. The satellite decelerates and, as a result, the orbit decreases. If it is not "raised" and not accelerated, the satellite will collapse to the surface (or rather burn up).
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 27 March 2014 17: 46
              +1
              About the very same orbital and satellite orientation adjustment engines.

              The resource of these engines is not that they fail, but that they are designed for a certain number of starts in the case of solid fuel and a fuel reserve in the case of liquid fuel. Do not forget that there are also plasma ones, the resource of which is several decades.
              A satellite in geostationary orbit can wander for decades without a significant decrease in orbit. But low-orbit yes, you need to raise it.
              1. Professor
                Professor 27 March 2014 21: 36
                0
                Quote: Wedmak
                A satellite in geostationary orbit can wander for decades without a significant decrease in orbit. But low-orbit yes, you need to raise it.

                Navigation satellites are not in geostationary orbit.
                1. iConst
                  iConst 27 March 2014 21: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  Navigation satellites are not in geostationary orbit.

                  Navigation (GPS / GLONASS), at geostationary ...
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 27 March 2014 21: 55
                    0
                    Navigation (GPS / GLONASS), at geostationary ...

                    No, the geostationary orbit is higher, about 35 thousand km. And this is just the trick - satellites rotate faster, they need less and GPS navigators can "grab" them by 5-6 pieces.
                  2. Professor
                    Professor 27 March 2014 21: 57
                    +1
                    Quote: iConst
                    Navigation (GPS / GLONASS), the same at geostationary.

                    No way. Open the GPS application in your android, look at the satellite numbers that it catches. Repeat this procedure after 3 hours and compare.

                    Here you can track the satellite orbit in real time, go for it:
                    http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=32384
                2. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 27 March 2014 21: 51
                  0
                  Exactly, but not 200 km. GLONASS lives on 19100 km, GPS on 20000 km. What is the atmosphere like? How much fuel is consumed if they fly there for ten years?
          2. Professor
            Professor 27 March 2014 17: 24
            +3
            Quote: Wedmak
            Yah?? What engines supporting the satellite in orbit are you talking about?

            Well yes. Navigation satellites must be supported in a particular orbit, for this it is necessary to consume fuel. The more efficient the satellite engines, the longer the fuel will last. That's clearer?
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 27 March 2014 17: 48
              +1
              The more efficient the satellite engines, the longer the fuel will last.

              The more fuel, the longer it will last in orbit. And the reserves are enough for a time longer than that required for the degradation of electronics in conditions of hard cosmic radiation.
  • siberalt
    siberalt 27 March 2014 12: 51
    +6
    Weapons trade politely laughing

    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/261/sqdq811.jpg
    1. 7even
      7even 27 March 2014 14: 37
      +2
      will be something like this))))
  • stayer
    stayer 27 March 2014 12: 58
    +21
    Our sellers are already unilaterally sanctioned. Nothing new...
    1. Val_y
      Val_y 27 March 2014 16: 29
      +2
      After such a question from the bear, the chair was washed for half a day, and the interior was probably aired for about three days laughing
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 27 March 2014 17: 11
      +2
      I wonder if the glass remained intact ... or was it replaced with the door during the cleaning of bricks from the passenger compartment?
  • Coffee_time
    Coffee_time 27 March 2014 12: 59
    +2
    Soon, at the word SANCTIONS, they will recall Russia, and with the same word addressed to any country, investors will flee to this country))
  • Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 27 March 2014 13: 01
    +1
    And often an interesting situation arises: the more prohibitive shouts from Washington sound, the more actively many countries strive to develop military-technical cooperation with Russia.

    Any action causes a reaction. This is just physics, nothing personal!
  • fly fishing
    fly fishing 27 March 2014 13: 04
    +3
    Son, I found a pack of cigarettes in your pocket yesterday.
    I forbade you to smoke! Completely overgrown ?!
    -Mom, but you didn’t forbid me to buy :-)
    joke on the topic
  • konvalval
    konvalval 27 March 2014 13: 09
    +3
    Quote: Rus2012
    Meanwhile, in Alaska 100 barrels of alcohol were found, they say!
    Moreover, the tsar’s still spill 160 years ago

    These are those that Evdokimov and his friends did not master to drink in the famous film.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 27 March 2014 13: 09
    +1
    These sanctions for Russia as a quality control department under the USSR Will cheer up our economy! QUALITY SIMPLE CHEAPEST RELIABILITY! This Russian brand should be like a Kalashnikov assault rifle in everything
  • upasika1918
    upasika1918 27 March 2014 13: 11
    +5
    And the devil pulled us on these sanctions .. Oh, what wakes ....
  • xbhxbr-777
    xbhxbr-777 27 March 2014 13: 12
    +2
    Well, at least sanctions do not bother anyone!
  • bubla5
    bubla5 27 March 2014 13: 12
    +4
    By the way, many experts are sure that only the presence in Syria of modern Russian-made air defense systems saves this country from massive airstrikes from the United States Air Force, which does not cease to threaten Damascus.
    But how does a Jew break through their planes
    1. White53
      White53 27 March 2014 14: 41
      +2
      That’s why he’s a Jew! He will climb in without soap! So this is not an indicator! We also have a German on the "whatnot" flew in and what ...
    2. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 27 March 2014 20: 31
      0
      They do not respond to Jewish raids so as not to get involved in a war with Israel. Example: Hitler would defeat the USSR if he did not spend resources on England and Africa. But if the war with Israel begins, then not a single Jewish plane will have time to take off and will be shot down on take-off because they are in the area of ​​the air defense system. In the meantime, let the Jews think that they are invulnerable.
      1. Professor
        Professor 27 March 2014 21: 43
        +2
        Quote: Алексей_К
        But if the war with Israel begins, then not a single Jewish plane will have time to take off and will be shot down on take-off because they are in the area of ​​the air defense system. In the meantime, let the Jews think that they are invulnerable.
        Bravo!!! Keep it up. It turns out Syrian air defense is able to see through the mountains. Now I'll know.
  • Alexey
    Alexey 27 March 2014 13: 18
    +4
    Quote: Rus2012
    . Russians never just leave vodka and at the same time act completely unpredictably.

    where, where are you talking? We must urgently go! this is what an excerpt. We’ll drink with the locals and they will join us ...
  • darksoul
    darksoul 27 March 2014 13: 19
    +5
    Quote: Chifka
    "The US is in a panic: Russia plans to start supplying military equipment to European countries


    We're too honest, isn't it time to ship the c300 to Iran and Syria? or so we will adhere to the "international laws" working unilaterally
  • Crazyzyear
    Crazyzyear 27 March 2014 13: 21
    +5
    Quote: bubla5
    By the way, many experts are sure that only the presence in Syria of modern Russian-made air defense systems saves this country from massive airstrikes from the United States Air Force, which does not cease to threaten Damascus.
    But how does a Jew break through their planes


    Under the guise of agricultural machinery, fly to help local farmers in Syria. bully
    1. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin 27 March 2014 14: 15
      +2
      modernized Don-1500
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. nizrum
      nizrum 27 March 2014 15: 50
      +1
      Today, 3 American tanks attacked the peacefully plowed Russian tractor.
      The tractor responded with 3 missile attacks, took off and flew away. wassat
    4. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 27 March 2014 20: 33
      0
      Jewish planes do not break through. They are firing from their territory.
  • Vikingjumala
    Vikingjumala 27 March 2014 13: 35
    +3
    According to Isaykin, there are enough senators in the US who would like to introduce a ban on the sale of weapons by Russia. We hear such calls every year.


    It's time to cram the "Wishlist" into the right place. If we can help you, there is blessing. laughing
    Quote: siberalt
  • family tree
    family tree 27 March 2014 13: 43
    +6
    According to Isaykin, there are enough senators in the US who would like to introduce a ban on the sale of weapons by Russia. We hear such calls every year.

    what Not effectively invoked somehow. There would be, in democratic traditions, a Maidan in Washington to arrange. Or hold a referendum what ? No, the referendum is also not effective, we still recognize it as not legitimate request So, (especially for the naive winked ) only Maidan will save the world from Russian weapons! wassat
    Meanwhile, in Alaska, 100 barrels of alcohol found

    Oh, drink on zdorovichko! I’ll like it, call us, we’ll bring it to you, in tanks.
    1. Tank - tank, capacity.
    2. A tank-armored fighting vehicle is most often tracked, usually with cannon weapons as the main weapon.

    belay Even forgotten, in which of them carry alcohol? what
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 27 March 2014 16: 16
      +2
      Even forgotten, in which of them carry alcohol?

      In these, fast delivery (~ 30 minutes), accuracy, reliability are guaranteed. Mass delivery of up to 10 orders at the same time is possible:
  • Smiles to you
    Smiles to you 27 March 2014 13: 44
    +9
    We do not abandon our lol
  • Lyton
    Lyton 27 March 2014 13: 54
    +2
    Amerikosy are known to be leaders in the sale of weapons, essno they would like to prohibit the sale of ours, a holy place does not happen empty, wise men are worthless.
  • valodavoodoo
    valodavoodoo 27 March 2014 14: 00
    +5
    In general, equipment for Almaz-Antei plants can be bought in Japan, South Korea, Malaysia and Thailand began to do quite good tongue
    1. iConst
      iConst 27 March 2014 14: 10
      +1
      Quote: valodavoodoo
      In general, equipment for Almaz-Antei plants can be bought in Japan, South Korea, Malaysia and Thailand began to do quite good

      But how not to sell? Jackson's broom has not been canceled. crying
  • Filand
    Filand 27 March 2014 14: 05
    +4
    Quote: aleks 62
    You can drink ALL that burns !!!!! ....

    But some drinks, only once ...