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Its "empty treasury" cares less than the "pockets of Russians": the Ukrainian economy in the Ukrainian media

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Its "empty treasury" cares less than the "pockets of Russians": the Ukrainian economy in the Ukrainian mediaEvents on the political arena of Ukraine for the world media today are clearly more important than what is happening with the economy of this country. Meanwhile, experts have long been predicting a default for Ukraine, the new government recognizes that the treasury is empty, and Russia makes huge sums to the unhappy “neighbor” for gas. REGNUM today, 26 March, provides readers with a review of Ukrainian media materials on the current economic situation in the country.


The first and one of the most important topics on the information agenda is the issue of gas independence of Ukraine. The newly appointed Minister of Economic Development and Trade of Ukraine, Pavel Sheremeta, has already stated that the Ukrainian people will now have to explain that "in fact, you have to pay for gas." But you need to pay for gas, Sheremet explains, because this is the "price" of Ukrainian independence. “Ukraine agreed on a gas discount in December, but sacrificed freedom. After we paid such a gigantic price for our freedom, we will pay for gas,” the League’s Finance newspaper quoted the minister as saying. (On March 25, the de facto Minister of Energy of Ukraine Yuriy Prodan announced that the country intends to pay gas for Russia under the Kharkov agreements, which provided for the $ 100th discount per thousand cubic meters in exchange for a stay extending the base of the Black Sea fleet in Crimea - approx. IA REGNUM)

With their statements, American and European politicians only fuel Kiev’s ambitions for energy autonomy towards Russia. According to UNIAN, the special envoy and coordinator of the US Department of State for International Energy, former US Ambassador to Ukraine Carlos Pascual said that Ukraine could become independent of Russian gas supplies before 2020. It is quite realistic if, according to the former US ambassador, production from existing wells and from new fields increases, which can bring additional 12 billion cubic meters per year, and if Ukraine has the opportunity to develop plans for (reverse) energy supplies from the West ".
According to the Ukrainian publication finance.ua, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk at a meeting of the National Council of the Civic Platform Party stated that the Energy Union is being formed in the European Union, of which Ukraine should also be a part, so that no one in the future could ever blackmail a great nation with prices gas or gas supply. "

“This is not a conversation about economics,” says the publication of Tusk, “this is not a conversation about my favorite water in a faucet, although warm water and light in Polish houses will also depend on it, but this is a fundamental sense of security in Poland and Europe.” Ukrainians need to be prepared to pay more for their “fundamental sense of security” from the 1 in May on 2014.

As the first deputy head of the budget committee of the Verkhovna Rada, Oksana Kaletnik, the Cabinet of Ministers and the IMF, has discussed the publication of Segodnya, the possibility of raising gas prices for the population by an average of 55-70% is being discussed. According to the publication, the cost of "communal" with the gas price for "odnushki" (30 sq. M) will increase by about 25%: well, that's the cost of a private house (100-110 sq. M), if it is completely on gas , will increase by all 50-60% ". At the same time, the cost of utility services will grow to 2017 year." In 2015, the price of gas and heating for the population may increase by 40% after the increase this year, and in 2016-2017-m - still on 20% ", - quotes the official" Freedom ".

Recently, the Minister of Economic Development and Trade, Pavel Sheremeta, made a statement that Ukraine is able to increase GDP almost three times in seven years. "Now we have GDP - $ 3,6 thousand per capita. That is not enough. I said that in 5 years we can reach $ 10 thousand. That is, in fact, it’s about growth in 2,7 times. And this is not fiction", - cite the Minister of Ukrainian media.

How to achieve such impressive indicators, if we take into account the disappointing figures of the State Statistics Service of Ukraine, which recorded a decline in production in various sectors of the Ukrainian economy for this year, is not yet clear. UNIAN informs that according to the State Statistics Committee of Ukraine, in February 2014 of the year compared with February of 2013, the largest decline was recorded in mechanical engineering - by 14,8%, metallurgical production - by 10,9%, production of wood products - by 6,4%, production of chemicals and products - by 5,9%, production of rubber and plastic products - by 5,4%, textile production - by 5,4%.

The growth was recorded only in the production of furniture - by 7,6%, the production of pharmaceuticals - by 4%, the supply of electricity and gas - by 2,7%, the extraction of crude oil and natural gas - by 1,6%.

Meanwhile, the Ministry of Finance of Ukraine notes that the budget only has enough money for top-priority tasks. According to the Minister of Finance of the country, Alexander Shlapak, the fall in GDP may be 3%.

To stabilize the economic situation in the country, the Ministry of Economy has developed a draft of activities "100 days - 100 government steps." According to Forbes Ukraine, the program provides for measures aimed at reducing budget expenditures. The increase in revenues to the state budget is assigned to international donors, privatization and the rejection of tax incentives, the newspaper writes. In addition, the “100 steps of the government” will also be turned towards the creation of favorable conditions for business in the country. “First of all, this is a question of automatic VAT refund, liberalization of the foreign exchange market, the introduction of EU standards and technical regulations,” the Ukrainian version of Forbes reports. “In the energy sector, the energy market will continue to be reformed, electronic auctions on access to networks will be introduced, cross-subsidies eliminated and gradually increased electricity tariffs for the population, as well as coal exchange trading was introduced. "

For some reason, the Ukrainian media has diligently ignored the new media package. The Internet edition "Obkom" is one of the few who commented on the measures proposed by the government. The publication writes that "the overwhelming majority of the measures prescribed in this document can not be implemented in 100 days, or even in a year." It is hardly worth stuttering, for example, about refusing to subsidize coal output, the Obkom believes, while the Donbas is so sausage. The dismantling of this subsidizing system will last at least five years, notes the Ukrainian media.

In addition, the Obkom claims that middle class representatives who became the main driving force behind the events of the last four months “expected pleasant things such as lowering fiscal pressure and deregulation, but received another tightening of belts under the fresh slogan“ Homeland is in danger! ” disappointment with the new government in the midst of its “nuclear electorate” must necessarily be taken into account, at a minimum, without aggravating it. ”

But it is actively discussed in the media space of Ukraine, what will be the financial assistance of the IMF, whose mission is now ending its work in Kiev. According to the latest data, the volume of emergency assistance of the International Monetary Fund to Ukraine can range from $ 15 billion to $ 20 billion. The negotiation process remains outside the media coverage: de facto, Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk immediately promised that Ukraine will fulfill all the conditions for obtaining a loan, and the government cheerfully reports that the collaboration is going well.

The Ukrainian version of "Arguments and Facts" undertook to dispel the myths that arise around the requirements of the IMF. For example, between negotiators, "the moratorium on the sale of agricultural land is not being discussed," the publication says. However, the Minister of Agrarian Policy and Food of the country, Igor Shvaika, in an interview with UNIAN confirmed the information that one of the conditions for granting a loan to the IMF is the launch of a land market in Ukraine. And despite the assurances of Yatsenyuk of readiness to accept any conditions, the Ukrainian government is not eager to open the Ukrainian land market. “It’s necessary to understand how the land market is ready for a possible discovery, in what form it will work and what the mission of the State Land Bank will be at the same time. Theoretically, everything looks beautiful, but practically we understand that the unpleasant can hide behind a beautiful appearance,” words of the Minister of Agrarian Policy and Food of Ukraine UNIAN.
Local media practically do not consider possible scenarios for the development of the Ukrainian economy. One gets the feeling that they are ready to discuss anything other than strategic issues important to their state. Mr Yatsenyuk made life easier for local journalists by announcing back in February that the state treasury of Ukraine is empty. Apparently, therefore, the media are busy counting in the Russian treasury. In this case, economists are like a wave of a magic wand and a wave of the same wand begin to make terrible predictions about Russia's economic future and infinitely calculate "what price Putin will pay for the annexation of Crimea." The concern of Ukrainian publications about Russian taxpayers, their "wallets" and "pockets" is especially touching.

"Investments in the peninsula are tentatively estimated at 40-60 billion dollars in the near future, with funds pulled out of the wallets of ordinary Russians," writes UNIAN. He is echoed by the Ukrainian Glavred: "Tens of billions of dollars will have to be pulled out of the pockets of Russians."
UNIAN published a disappointing outlook on the Russian economy: rising prices followed by a deepening economic crisis. “The consequence of which, as a rule, is a political crisis. Thus, difficult times await the“ Slavic brother, ”especially taking into account the state’s“ integrity ”in the national aspect. In such a situation, the Crimean people will not envy the fate,” the Ukrainian journalists write knowingly .
The local publication gazeta.ua writes that "in three years Russia will disintegrate because of its exhausted economy." The reason is the global isolation of the country. There will be enough reserves for half a year, then the Russians are waiting for a price increase, then - even worse. "After that, riots will arise. And among Russians there are a lot of radicals and really neo-fascists. They will start to organize robberies, to smash everything. The authorities will use force, then the processes of segregation of the republics will begin," gazeta.ua writes, it still seems about Russia.

Also, the publication reminds that in Ukraine begins a boycott of products from Russia: "If 90% of Ukrainians will not buy Russian goods, then Russia will lose 12 billion more dollars."

“Economic patriotism,” as the Ukrainian media put it, rallied ordinary Ukrainians. They decided to independently conduct a war against the enemy’s economy, declaring a boycott of goods of Russian origin, the proceeds of which will be spent on the acquisition of Russia "tanks, Armored personnel carriers, weapons"As the publication ubr.ru notes, in the supermarkets of Kiev there was even an action" Not a penny to the invaders "," The Russian bought it - paid for the war. "

Ukrainians have a thorough approach to military actions: as noted by ubt.ru, on the social network Facebook, you can find the “Participant’s Guide to a Boycott of Russian Goods”, “where detailed instructions and lists of products of“ hostile ”production by categories and brands are offered.”

However, alarming news leaked to the Ukrainian media the other day. news: Russian manufacturers began to disguise their goods as Ukrainian. “Russian manufacturers started submitting applications for assigning Ukraine’s bar-code to their products due to the fact that domestic buyers increasingly began to ignore Russian products,” the Ukrainian Association of Distribution Networks providers told LIGABusinessInform. This means that to achieve the goal declared by the participants of the boycott - “to hit the hryvnia on the enemy’s economy” will be a bit more difficult.
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  1. serzhserzh86
    serzhserzh86 28 March 2014 14: 44
    +38
    the neighbor’s food always tastes better on a plate ...
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 28 March 2014 14: 49
      -85%
      I would venture to draw a stream of cons: what, have we already gotten everything up?
      It has risen in price, and with the money we have a pipe-on Sochi 50bn, and here SUCH expenses-Crimea will not cost 3bn, but the money that we will lose because of the policy towards Russia — but this inevitable evil will begin sooner- the sooner it ends.
      And we have already taken a loan from the IMF — the largest ever 6.9bn (literally the other day).
      1. Vi_RUS
        Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 14: 56
        +90
        firstly, the Crimea is not in 3 but in 13 billion, the tranche has already been sent! secondly, at the Olympics, not 50 billion, but 60, the holding went out to 10 billion with the Paralympic! but do you count how much has returned? Although the Olympics did not materialize, Sochi needed modernization, everything will be justified in the future! and what about the Crimea, the first we don’t pay for Sevastopol again, and in the previous articles we described what came to us with the Crimea and it all costs a lot more than we are investing! and even Crimea itself, if it is developed, will return everything in full !!!!
        1. Vi_RUS
          Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 16: 08
          +67
          I would like to add, I live in the Krasnodar Territory, the granary of Russia, or rather, I am from Sochi, so I can tell you that Crimea is an analogue to the Krasnodar Territory, all that we have is the same in Crimea and if I had anyone he said that we live in Russian subsidies, I would have spat in his face, and accordingly I also won’t believe that Crimea will now be on Russian subsidies! There is a time for everything, we must be glad that now in Russia there is another prosperous climatic region in which everything that has already developed in the Krasnodar Territory will develop! I'M SURE!
          1. Ulairy
            Ulairy 28 March 2014 17: 17
            +19
            hi That's for sure, moreover, I venture to suggest that the standard of living of the Crimeans themselves will be higher than under the Kiev authorities (at least not lower than in the Krasnodar Territory). The potential for industrial development there is huge. Agriculture is generally a fairy tale!
            1. Vi_RUS
              Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 17: 39
              +4
              so I say that Crimea is an absolute analogue of the Krasnodar Territory, there’s no need to even expect it, just look at the standard of living in Kras. cr and if the money that goes to the development does not fly to feed, then, accordingly, in Crimea, the standard of living will soon rise to the level of Kras. cr
          2. tommytros
            tommytros 28 March 2014 18: 47
            -3
            In the Russian Federation, there are 11 donor regions, among them there is no Krasnodar Territory !!!
            So, do not spit in the well from which you have to get drunk.
            1. oracul
              oracul 29 March 2014 09: 26
              +1
              About donation. You need to have at least a minimal idea of ​​how taxes and payments to the budget are collected. Where are the head offices? That's right, in Moscow. There are also taxes. It is no coincidence that Gazprom was transferred to St. Petersburg in due time. And now the question of which of the large peasants to send to the Far East is being decided. Or where do the customs payments go? Right to the Center. But there are customs offices in the Krasnodar Territory, and in Arkhangelsk, and in Belgorod, and the Rostov Region and many other places. Then part of the money is returned in the form of transfers to where they actually earned. Let's say this artificial subsidies keep the regions on a leash. Of course, if this is related to the needs of the country's defense, its security, the implementation of huge infrastructure projects, then I, for example, do not mind. But such a situation cannot and should not exist at all times. Debt good turn deserves another. Financial and social policy should proceed from this if we really want to raise the living standards of the people in the provinces to a new qualitative level.
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        2. huut
          huut 28 March 2014 16: 52
          +14
          Quote: Vi_RUS
          Although the Olympics did not materialize, Sochi needed modernization, everything will be justified in the future!

          Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak said that revenues from the Sochi Winter Olympics exceeded expenses by 1,5 billion rubles.
          www.km.ru

          Kozak against! Justified now)

          And to mirag2 - Indicate links to sources, about the IMF loan, about the three-billionth Crimea, about the all-price increase, in order to know where you get the info from. If it doesn’t save at all, it will add seriousness to such statements, it will be possible to talk objectively.
          1. Vi_RUS
            Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 17: 01
            +1
            EXPENSES! And the costs of 7 billion, these are the expenses that were spent on the games, and not the general construction and development of railways and roads! and about 3 billion was spent on the Paralympic Games, that’s what was justified, but not the whole Olympiad
            1. huut
              huut 28 March 2014 17: 29
              +5
              Quote: Vi_RUS
              and not the general construction and development of railways and roads!

              So this is the cost of arranging the region, you should not be afraid of such costs, they should be increased on the contrary, of course, given income.

              It was the Olympics that paid off, and investments in the region itself ... Such investments may never be justified, but they must be made.
              1. Vi_RUS
                Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 17: 42
                +5
                You are absolutely right in this and I cannot disagree, it was already vitally necessary, as a resident of Sochi I can tell you a lot of things that we endured before we did not begin to build roads. The city was designed for 30 thousand cars, and on the roads there were 150 thousand rush hour and so imagine what happened, and in the summer it’s generally scary to remember
                1. tommytros
                  tommytros 28 March 2014 18: 58
                  -3
                  I'm afraid to imagine what is happening in your summer.
                  According to experts, more than 700 thousand cars are simultaneously driving onto Moscow roads. And this is in a city with a population of 12 million people.
                  And you have 150 thousand cars there with a population of 360 thousand people, just awful !!!
                  1. Vi_RUS
                    Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 19: 56
                    +2
                    But not that Sochi is the longest city in Europe and the second in the world! Moscow covers an area of ​​2500 km2 and Sochi 3500 km2, Wikipedia will help you!
                    1. tommytros
                      tommytros 28 March 2014 21: 04
                      -3
                      The larger the area, the lower the density. you bury yourself! Wikipedia will not help you!
                    2. tommytros
                      tommytros 28 March 2014 21: 04
                      -1
                      The larger the area, the lower the density. you bury yourself! Wikipedia will not help you!
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          2. serge siberian
            serge siberian 28 March 2014 18: 31
            +1
            my partner at work was in the "tape" 16.03.2014/23.02.2014/10. and XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX a difference of XNUMX%. here's a rise in price, my friend. Novosibirsk city
          3. papas-57
            papas-57 28 March 2014 20: 10
            +1
            "Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Kozak said that the income from the Winter Olympic Games in Sochi exceeded the expenses by 1,5 billion rubles." I think he is lying, if he said it at all. Not one Olympics had such income, especially the winter one.
            1. yur
              yur 29 March 2014 13: 58
              0
              Quote: papas-57
              I think he is lying, if he said that at all. Not one Olympiad did not have such income, especially the winter one.
              Thinking, in general, is useful, but as I see it is not always. Kozak really talked about this. Our Olympics turned out to be profitable due to 100% of ticket sales, unlike others. Yes, you yourself saw the occupancy of the stands; there was no place to drop an apple.
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        3. TEODOR
          TEODOR 28 March 2014 17: 35
          +1
          Do not tell me where such numbers Fantasy broke out?
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        5. nahalenok911
          nahalenok911 28 March 2014 17: 43
          +4
          The Olympics are like a wedding. Costs are never justified, but nice! Brrrrr .... I WANT COSTS IN CRIMEA AND SEVASTOPOL !!!! And I want to go there!
        6. baskoy
          baskoy 28 March 2014 17: 55
          +17
          That's right! But I didn't even minus. Imagine: a person's child is in trouble, an urgent and paid operation is needed, then everything will cost or go to the "district", but will be on crutches all his life. So he is scratching his turnips - he needs to make repairs in the apartment, the loan has not been paid for the car, the new smartphone has gone on sale. Okay, let him hobble, not fatal. Apparently, there are such "people". And Crimea and Sevastopol are the flesh of the flesh of Russia!
        7. vell.65mail.ru
          vell.65mail.ru 28 March 2014 18: 35
          +9
          You are all about money and territories, but at the same time you forget about the people who live there, and this is not included in any price; they almost all voted for Russia !!!
        8. voliador
          voliador 28 March 2014 22: 53
          0
          For the placement of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol, they paid about $ 100 million a year - 3.5 billion rubles a year. Now we will not.
      2. mirag2
        mirag2 28 March 2014 14: 58
        +1
        Sorry, that’s not the topic, Tymoshenko is very good at 1.19:
        1. dmitrij.blyuz
          dmitrij.blyuz 28 March 2014 15: 02
          +9
          Well, why not the topic. Very much! Although not new already.
        2. Vi_RUS
          Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 15: 10
          +47
          Specials !!!
          Today, almost all the heads of world powers have tragically died.
          They burst with laughter when they learned that Ukraine is competing for a place in the GXNUMX.
          1. Vi_RUS
            Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 15: 35
            +17
            Election passions.

            Tymoshenko does not go to the presidency - they already carry her there.
            Rabinovich, as the future president, swears on the torus that will protect all Russians.
            Since Klitschko does not know how to speak beautifully, his debate with opponents will take place in the ring.
          2. AnaBat
            AnaBat 28 March 2014 16: 56
            +7
            Darth Vader in Ukraine wassat

            1. rolik
              rolik 29 March 2014 10: 07
              0
              Quote: AnaBat
              Darth Vader in Ukraine

              He giggled for a long time when he heard the words:
              -Tse Darth Vader)))))))
              Here it is a new twist for Lucas)))))) And if the whole movie is on mov)))) Well this is Benny Hill resting)))))
              Well, here's another topic)))))
        3. mirag2
          mirag2 28 March 2014 18: 09
          +7
          The video is deleted, here is its version with Russian subtitles:
          1. tommytros
            tommytros 28 March 2014 19: 07
            0
            Among the Germans, there are many who understand what is happening in Ukraine. Cool banter over the Maidanut. It’s a pity they won’t see it.
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        4. serge siberian
          serge siberian 28 March 2014 18: 36
          +3
          Quote: mirag2
          Sorry, that’s not the topic, Tymoshenko is very good at 1.19:

          why did you take the place? if you took it off the screen.
      3. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 28 March 2014 15: 05
        +63
        I will not be upset if I give the extra 100 rubles from my wallet for the fact that once again I will go to rest not in Ukrainian, but now in my native Russian Crimea.
        1. polite people
          polite people 28 March 2014 15: 34
          +25
          And I'm 500. Rarely with joy.
      4. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 15: 11
        +38
        Quote: mirag2
        It has risen in price, and with money we have a pipe-on Sochi 50bn, and here SUCH expenses-Crimea will not cost 3bn,

        We are constantly getting more expensive and not in connection with the Crimea or Sochi. Just about the money pipe, I did not understand you that Russia has no money?
        Quote: mirag2
        And we have already taken a loan from the IMF — the largest ever 6.9bn (literally the other day).

        I don’t know who took what and what, but they constantly take and give loans. Do not read the Ukrainian media, otherwise you will really believe wink
        1. VAF
          VAF 28 March 2014 15: 44
          +11
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          We are constantly getting more expensive and not in connection with the Crimea or Sochi.


          Sanya, that's for sure good Since July, gas for us "flies" up by 4.2% .. and we supply the fascists and continue to supply .. free of charge belay request
          Yes, even with their damnable debts ... we continue to pay for gas transit to Europe.
          maybe someone will explain ???
          Or .. "we do not let the candle light go out on the Maidan": wassat (smoothed it as much as possible, although it washes away the "walk" of the 3-storey ... on .... "the right way") soldier
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 15: 56
            +12
            Quote: vaf
            .and we supply to the fascists and continue to supply .. for free

            Hi Seryoga! Why is it free? Anyway, you’ll have to pay, not in kind of money (in the Donetsk region) winked
            1. VAF
              VAF 28 March 2014 16: 11
              +12
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              You’ll have to pay anyway,


              Come on, come on .. this is .. "how is this makar" wassat yeah. also Lugansk Kharkov and Mariupol wassat
              And it's free because even with a 50% increase in the price of gas in Ukraine for its residents, they will only just approach the prices at which we pay. that's just a question ... they buy gas. and in our country, it seems to be .. "national treasure" or how lol
              Similarly, with housing prices and products! wink
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 16: 38
                +3
                Quote: vaf
                Come on, come on .. this .. "how is this makar

                I don’t know how, but Putin will take them, painfully cunning and unpredictable in actions.
                Quote: vaf
                And it's free because even with a 50% increase in the price of gas in Ukraine for its residents, they will only just approach the prices at which we pay. that's just a question ... they buy gas. and in our country, it seems to be .. "national treasure" or how

                And you compare the standard of living wink
                1. VAF
                  VAF 28 March 2014 16: 46
                  +4
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  I don’t know how, but Putin will take them, painfully cunning and unpredictable in actions.


                  We will .. "look" drinks

                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  And you compare the standard of living


                  Sanya. You won’t believe it .. but up to the Maidan .... on the Dnepropetrovsk embankment in taverns there are no empty seats ... and all the faces are Slavic.
                  here, however, in Rostov, the same .. everything is crammed, that's just the truth by the "indigenous" inhabitants of Rostov from .. "sunny Armenia" wink

                  And returning home, I constantly drove brandy. Bread and sausage from there ... with ours and ... I didn’t stand near. And at a price two times lower! wink
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 16: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: vaf
                    .a at a price two times lower!

                    And what salaries do they have?
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 28 March 2014 16: 54
                      +1
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      And what salaries do they have?


                      Sanya. You won’t believe it .. but practically as we had, maybe 1-1.5 less! wink
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 17: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: vaf
                        Sanya. You won’t believe .. but practically as we had, maybe 1-1.5 less

                        I will ask the Ukrainians on the site.
                      2. VAF
                        VAF 28 March 2014 17: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        I will ask the Ukrainians on the site.


                        WHAT, I am for you already .... not "in authority" wink
                      3. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 17: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: vaf
                        WHAT, I am for you already .... not "in authority"

                        In aircraft - the untouchable wink
                        And in salaries in Ukraine, yes, hell knows who you met there, maybe with fliers, and they have a salary in Ukraine that allows you to drink cognac winked
                      4. VAF
                        VAF 28 March 2014 18: 07
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        And in salaries in Ukraine, yes, hell knows who you met there, maybe with fliers, and they have a salary in Ukraine that allows you to drink cognac


                        For pilots, yes. but in the mass .... Stas below wrote everything right .. from 1.5 to 2.5 thousand hryvnia is for all commercial sellers. merchants. Hohoans. collectors.
                        The director has up to 4.
                        Roughly multiply by 4,5th .. here and get our 10 thousand.
                        Well, in our realities 10-12 .. here only 300-350 hryvnias are paid for a hut in the Dnieper. Including gas and light. and we have????
                        That's right, but in our apartment .. "national treasure" wassat
                      5. Walk
                        Walk 28 March 2014 18: 18
                        +3
                        All right, think. The average salary in Ukraine is 3 times less, and the rent is 2.5 times less. What do Ukrainians win?
                      6. VAF
                        VAF 28 March 2014 18: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Walk
                        You think everything is right


                        Well ... it would be foolish wink +! drinks

                        Quote: Walk
                        The average salary in Ukraine is 3 times less


                        But at the expense of our salary lol on this subject there is a bearded anecdote - I. as a director I eat meat ... you. as a worker .. you can only afford to your ZP .. cabbage. but together we eat .. STUFF wassat
                        Not too ... thin wink

                        And they don’t win, but ... won .. now. Of course, there will be a full OPA crying
                      7. Walk
                        Walk 28 March 2014 19: 10
                        +3
                        As for salaries, I will only say what I know. A friend, a doctor of the first category, - a salary of about 40000 rubles, an acquaintance, a mathematics teacher with class guidance, - about 28000 rubles, an acquaintance, an accountant, - about 50000 rubles, friend, early. shifts on the electric train repair line - about 40000 rubles. I don't know how much the director of the plant gets - there are no such acquaintances. And, yes, there is a friend who "works" in a children's creativity center, complaining that her salary is only 12000 rubles, but at the same time forgets that she works 3-5 hours 5 days a week. Maybe I just have lucky friends, but it seems to me that if you want to make money, you will find how.
                  2. officer29
                    officer29 29 March 2014 16: 26
                    0
                    Quote: vaf
                    pay 300-350 hryvnias. including gas and light

                    Please do not forget that subsidies are widely used when paying utility bills in Ukraine! If not for subsidies, then my mother would pay more than 800 UAH for a one-room apartment, with a pension of 1300 UAH, and about 300 with heating, water, electricity and gas. A pension of 1300 UAH is a 40-year experience, plus the first group of disability ... belay crying request
              2. stas132
                stas132 28 March 2014 17: 50
                +2
                An example of a salary in Ukraine: the head of the regional pension service (I don't remember exactly how it is called) - a salary of 2,3 thousand hryvnias on hand. This is in rubles at the "pre-maid" rate of about 9,5 thousand. The salary of a miner (hard worker) is about 2 to 4 thousand hryvnia.
      5. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 28 March 2014 16: 57
        +6
        Quote: vaf
        And returning home, I constantly drove brandy. Bread and sausage from there ... with ours and ... I couldn’t stand .a and at a price half as much

        Pricing is strongly influenced by many factors, listing which does not make sense.
        I will give just an example.
        For the price of a cup of coffee drunk in a Norwegian restaurant, in Denmark you can buy 1 kg of fresh meat.
        1. VAF
          VAF 28 March 2014 17: 03
          +3
          Quote: stalkerwalker

          Pricing is strongly influenced by many factors, listing which does not make sense.
          I will give just an example.
          For the price of a cup of coffee drunk in a Norwegian restaurant, in Denmark you can buy 1 kg of fresh meat.


          So no one disputes, +! drinks that's just the level of Norwegian salaries and the level of life ... the example is not very successful, but if you compare with us then .. better .. let's pass by.

          And toa I agree .. but we left the topic of that. that we are giving away gas for free, but we are raising prices for ourselves, and why is Gazprom not leaving "sponsorva2 of gay Europe" ??? wassat
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 28 March 2014 17: 16
            +3
            Quote: vaf
            that's just the level of Norwegian salaries and the level of life ... the example is not very successful, but if you compare with us then .. better .. let's pass by.

            Norway and Denmark in salary as Russia with Ukraine before the Maidan ...
            drinks
          2. VAF
            VAF 28 March 2014 17: 18
            0
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Norway and Denmark in salary as Russia with Ukraine before the Maidan ...


            good +! drinks
      6. Setrac
        Setrac 28 March 2014 17: 07
        +4
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        For the price of a cup of coffee drunk in a Norwegian restaurant, in Denmark you can buy 1 kg of fresh meat.

        laughing
        My wife and I drank coffee in a coffee shop in Krasnodar, so for such a price we can take three kg of fresh meat in our village.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 28 March 2014 17: 17
          +3
          Quote: Setrac
          My wife and I drank coffee in a coffee shop in Krasnodar, so for such a price we can take three kg of fresh meat in our village.

          Everything is correct, because the basis of prices laid the purchasing power of the population ....
          hi
        2. Andrew 447
          Andrew 447 28 March 2014 17: 27
          0
          Do you have meat in the village at 100p / kg?
        3. Walk
          Walk 28 March 2014 18: 32
          +1
          Why not? In our villages, too, the purchase price for pork is about 120 rubles per kg. So this is Eastern Siberia, and in the Kuban it should obviously be less.
      7. Terner38
        Terner38 28 March 2014 17: 44
        0
        I have white bread in the city from 9 r 400 grams, shaking right now from 18 r, sunflower oil from 35, excellent local cooked sausage (you eat and remember your childhood) from 165 r, so it's not so bad.
      8. nahalenok911
        nahalenok911 28 March 2014 18: 12
        +1
        Mrrr .... and where is it?
      9. VAF
        VAF 28 March 2014 18: 13
        +1
        Quote: Terner38
        I have white bread in the city from 9 r 400 grams, shaking right now from 18 r, sunflower oil from 35, excellent local cooked sausage (you eat and remember your childhood) from 165 r, so it's not so bad.


        Normal bread ... not "based on GMO leavens" a priori cannot cost less than 40 rubles ... if we are talking about bread.
        18 rubles buckwheat yes it was .. especially in the retail chains (lure), but now it costs 29 rubles (dirty sea foam) - I know, since I feed Sobakin.
        A normal buckwheat "starts" at 40 rubles.
        Oil for 35 rubles ... don’t tell my slippers .. it's a cake .. 10th distillation !!!
        eat boiled sausage belay
        A cat or a dog did not try to give ??? I once took the risk .. to give a milk one .... day 3 and I did not .. "talk".
        you still about sour cream .. on 36 did not say and milk on 30 ... with a shelf life of 1 year !!! wassat
      10. Walk
        Walk 28 March 2014 18: 54
        +3
        And tell me, dear, in which city do you live? In my opinion, when discussing prices, it is necessary to indicate the city. If in Siberia normal buckwheat costs 35 rubles, then I fully admit that in the Kuban it can cost 18 rubles.
      11. VAF
        VAF 28 March 2014 19: 04
        0
        Quote: Walk
        And tell me, dear, in which city do you live?


        Only lazy do not know that I live in Rostov-on-Don! wink
      12. Walk
        Walk 28 March 2014 19: 13
        +4
        I recently registered, so I'm not used to caving in to the old-timers, figuring out where they are from. Excuse me. The profile says - Russia.
      13. VAF
        VAF 28 March 2014 19: 18
        0
        Quote: Walk
        therefore, I’m not used to caving in to the old-timers,


        And what does this have to do with it? Especially since there were comments in comments on this thread ... and even photos ... do not read carefully? wink
      14. Walk
        Walk 28 March 2014 20: 16
        0
        Sorry where. Maybe lower, but, unfortunately, I have not read further. While I answer the current one, the discussion goes further. So now I'm going to bed, because I have already past midnight. wink
  2. serge siberian
    serge siberian 28 March 2014 18: 51
    +2
    where is it so?
  3. Aleksandr68
    Aleksandr68 28 March 2014 17: 59
    +2
    Either you found a very expensive cafeteria, or I envy the meat very much. In our good cafe, a cup of coffee - 100 rubles. (+ -) pork tenderloin - 230 rubles.
  4. Setrac
    Setrac 28 March 2014 18: 04
    +1
    Quote: Aleksandr68
    Either you found a very expensive cafeteria, or I envy the meat very much. In our good cafe, a cup of coffee - 100 rubles. (+ -) pork tenderloin - 230 rubles.

    I just cited as an example that this is not an argument, the cutting price is 190 rubles, and the coffee shop was VERY expensive.
  5. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 28 March 2014 19: 51
    +1
    Quote: Setrac
    Quote: Aleksandr68
    Either you found a very expensive cafeteria, or I envy the meat very much. In our good cafe, a cup of coffee - 100 rubles. (+ -) pork tenderloin - 230 rubles.
    I just cited as an example that this is not an argument, the cutting price is 190 rubles, and the coffee shop was VERY expensive.

    Expenses - by income ...
    wassat
  6. yur
    yur 29 March 2014 14: 51
    0
    Quote: Aleksandr68
    Either you found a very expensive cafeteria, or I envy the meat very much. In our good cafe, a cup of coffee - 100 rubles. (+ -) pork tenderloin - 230 rubles.
    Friends, we generally understand what we are comparing with ?! A cup (one teaspoon!) Of coffee is only half the price of a kilogram of pork. Yes, to get it, you need to raise a sow, wait for the piglet, feed it and take care of it for six months, and the premises, heating, staff fellow ! A cup of coffee should cost a hundred, a thousand times cheaper than meat. Here is such an inverted economy, thanks to our Western "friends", when a 6th grade turner can hardly earn 18-25 thousand, and a phonogram "singer" a thousand times more.
  • mad
    mad 28 March 2014 19: 00
    +1
    And for the price of a cup of coffee, drunk in a lousy cafe in Sheremetyevo, you can buy a whole cow.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 29 March 2014 16: 26
    0
    tea in Odessa cafes costs 20-30 UAH. This is kg of ribs on Privoz.
    Crazy wrap tea. It’s not clear what they are taking. Nobody will take tea and coffee (which is cheaper than tea) in spring and summer.
  • nahalenok911
    nahalenok911 28 March 2014 18: 02
    0
    And NO FIG IS NOT AN ARGUMENT !!
  • nahalenok911
    nahalenok911 28 March 2014 17: 59
    0
    +100500 I spoke about this earlier.
  • stakan1951
    stakan1951 28 March 2014 18: 22
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: vaf
    .and we supply to the fascists and continue to supply .. for free

    Hi Seryoga! Why is it free? Anyway, you’ll have to pay, not in kind of money (in the Donetsk region) winked
  • 31231
    31231 28 March 2014 17: 58
    +2
    Have you heard of Chernomorneftegaz? Well, here is my vision that he will be squeezed for part of the gas debts of Ukraine. Yes, and shut off the faucet, as in 2009 is not a problem. Where a big problem to throw pipes on the Far East for sale to Asia-Pacific countries.
    1. VAF
      VAF 28 March 2014 18: 37
      +3
      Quote: 31231
      Have you heard of Chernomorneftegaz?


      So he seems to be already nationalized by us. Well, in the intent of the Crimeans ... go am I wrong?

      Quote: 31231
      Yes, and shut off the faucet, as in 2009 is not a problem.


      The sooner this is done, the sooner this overthrow is overthrown. Now, if you still introduce temporary visas. Yes, all Ukrainians working for us .. return home pennies ... 3 million healthy men to the army .. but for now they will return to Kiev, so they will grow up 2 Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk, etc.
      T where then you will need to look for these maydanutyh .. right ... only on the continent of Banana. Well and of Canadians wassat
  • serge siberian
    serge siberian 28 March 2014 18: 46
    +2
    Quote: vaf
    Since July, gas for us "flies" up by 4.2% .. and we supply the fascists and continue to supply .. free of charge

    Medvedev promised to freeze tariff growth on the monopoly (for 3 years or a year)
    1. VAF
      VAF 28 March 2014 18: 53
      0
      Quote: serzh sibiryak
      Medvedev promised to freeze tariff growth on the monopoly (for 3 years or a year)


      And he ... surely ... forgot wassat On the news feed 24 constantly goes recourse
  • pensioner
    pensioner 28 March 2014 20: 01
    +3
    Quote: vaf
    Yes, even with their damnable debts ... we continue to pay for gas transit to Europe.
    maybe someone will explain ???

    Dear my WAF !! It so happened that I work in a structure that is very close to Gazprom ... And, moreover, in December I was on a business trip to Ukraine in Ukrtransgaz ... Your apocalyptic picture, if painted, is for sure: not for Gazprom .... With the deepest respect to all aviation !!
  • TEODOR
    TEODOR 28 March 2014 23: 11
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: mirag2
    It has risen in price, and with money we have a pipe-on Sochi 50bn, and here SUCH expenses-Crimea will not cost 3bn,

    We are constantly getting more expensive and not in connection with the Crimea or Sochi. Just about the money pipe, I did not understand you that Russia has no money?
    Quote: mirag2
    And we have already taken a loan from the IMF — the largest ever 6.9bn (literally the other day).

    I don’t know who took what and what, but they constantly take and give loans. Do not read the Ukrainian media, otherwise you will really believe wink

    Sorry, where did these numbers come from, skinte the link to the documents or keep quiet. PS with all due respect, but the claim is not only for you.
  • skeptic
    skeptic 28 March 2014 15: 24
    +35
    Quote: mirag2
    , and then SUCH expenses-Crimea will not cost 3 billion,


    For reference: Before the events in Crimea, the newly-minted rulers immediately began with the abolition of the Russian language, the expulsion of the Black Sea Fleet from Sevastopol. I hope you don’t need to explain that after that, NATO would immediately be located in Crimea. And this is blocking for Russia not only the Black Sea, but also the Azov Sea, not to mention the mortal threat due to the deployment of offensive weapons close to the South of Russia. What economic, political catastrophes it turned into, you shouldn't even go to the "grandmother." Yes, all existing and future sanctions are not worth a little finger, from averted danger. And loans ... they can eventually be repaid by American debt obligations (at least somehow, they must be disposed of).
    1. VAF
      VAF 28 March 2014 15: 50
      -17%
      Quote: skeptic
      ... I hope you don’t need to explain that after that, NATO would immediately be located in Crimea. And this is blocking for Russia not only the Black Sea, but also the Azov Sea, not to mention the mortal threat due to the deployment of offensive weapons close to the South of Russia. What economic, political catastrophes it turned into, you shouldn't even go to the "grandmother"


      I strongly recommend that you study .. or at least see the GEOGRAPHIC location of the ports of Ukraine on the Black and Azov Seas.
      Therefore, who prevents NATE from doing what you write about even without Crimea lol

      Well .. "plugging" the Sea of ​​Azov is .... "strong" wassat Have you ever seen this .. "puddle" ???
      1. VAF
        VAF 28 March 2014 16: 15
        -8
        Quote: vaf
        .. "plugging" the Sea of ​​Azov is .... "strong"


        MINUSES, and .. "weak" .. to justify their disadvantages? Or .. "scary" to talk about .. "the delights and significance of the Sea of ​​Azov" with a native resident ???

        Think correctly .. you can "stick it in" .. it is better to tidy up ... "minus" wassat
        1. Vi_RUS
          Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 16: 30
          +17
          MINUSES, and .. "weak" .. to justify their disadvantages? Or .. "scary" to talk about .. "the delights and significance of the Sea of ​​Azov" with a native resident ???
          Crimea, it’s not just a naval base, it’s also a huge carrier carrier, and not drowned, from it you can conduct reconnaissance of the entire Black Sea, but also of the Mediterranean, if we lost this opportunity, then indeed we would be at least at risk and, as a maximum, with the full annexation of the Black Sea of ​​NATO, you’ll learn better all the ports and not only of Crimea, but of the entire Black Sea!

          PS I’ve been from Sochi and have been fishing in Primorsko Akhtars more than once and don’t tell me what the Sea of ​​Azov is, I’m in the know! The Caspian is not better in depth, but both there and there are gas reserves, although in the Azov less!
          1. VAF
            VAF 28 March 2014 16: 41
            -13%
            Quote: Vi_RUS
            Crimea, it’s not just a naval base, it’s also a huge carrier carrier, and not drowned, from it you can conduct reconnaissance of the entire Black Sea, but also of the Mediterranean, if we lost this opportunity, then indeed we would be at least at risk and, as a maximum, with the full annexation of the Black Sea of ​​NATO, you’ll learn better all the ports and not only of Crimea, but of the entire Black Sea!


            Dear, before you "shake" the air, first read my comment, or rather my answer to the opponent, where he claimed about the Sea of ​​Azov .. all crap !!!!
            It is time.
            Secondly, everything about what you write was possible only during the Union ... for those who are not far off, I explain that you have an enemy group in the rear, at a distance of a shot from a barrel artillery, that will destroy your everything in a few seconds (and reconnaissance aircraft- you recreate it first wink )
            And once again for the "near" All tasks for ... I will not rewrite your pearls ... are freely performed from the airbases of the UK Krasnodar Territory ... FREE.

            I repeat the last time; the question of the Sea of ​​Azov was discussed.

            And what to study .. or do you want to say. Thu Ilyichevsk. Odessa. Kherson, Nikolaev .. these are not ports ????

            Now, purely advice, tell annexes better ... you get better! hi
            1. Vi_RUS
              Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 16: 46
              +4
              Secondly, everything about what you write was possible only during the Union ... for those who are not far off, I explain that you have an enemy group in the rear, at a distance of a shot from a barrel artillery, that will destroy your everything in a few seconds (and reconnaissance aircraft- you first recreate it wink)


              ah ha ha, what kind of grouping is this?))) and it will survive after one flight of the SU-34 from Yeysk!))) if you are a local resident, you are aware that there is an air base in Yeysk, such planes))

              Yes, yes, and the Avio base, by the way, which is in the Krasnodar Territory, is nevertheless easier to place it in the Crimea, since it is both strategically and economically profitable!
              1. VAF
                VAF 28 March 2014 16: 59
                -7
                Quote: Vi_RUS

                ah ha ha, what kind of grouping is this?))) and it will survive after one flight of the SU-34 from Yeysk!))) if you are a local resident, you are aware that there is an air base in Yeysk, such planes))


                In Yeysk, there is an airbase-Center for training pilots of carrier-based aviation and a civilian airport.
                Su-34s are now sitting ...... far away from Voronezh, because there is repair now.

                I repeat once again ... but you really need to get out of the puddle. into which you "stuck" lol
                There is no conversation behind CRIMEA ...A TALK ABOUT THE AZOV SEA WERE CONCERNED !!! I’ll even highlight ... maybe so .. will it? wink
                1. Ulairy
                  Ulairy 28 March 2014 17: 23
                  +4
                  Quote: vaf
                  A TALK ABOUT THE AZOV SEA WERE CONCERNED !!! I’ll even highlight ... maybe so .. will it?

                  I don’t know that you grappled, but the Azov region is catastrophically shallow, this is a fact. About 50 years later, it can become a lake, without access to the Black Sea ... Although I am not a geologist, I can not predict ...
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 28 March 2014 17: 44
                    +3
                    Quote: Ulairy
                    About 50 years later, it can become a lake, without access to the Black Sea ... Although I am not a geologist, I can not predict ...

                    So it’s not necessary, for there is the Don, access to the Black Sea will not go anywhere, even if the Sea of ​​Azov dries completely.
                    And how will we divide the newly formed land (the bottom of the Sea of ​​Azov)?
                  2. VAF
                    VAF 28 March 2014 18: 44
                    +1
                    Quote: Ulairy
                    I don’t know that you grappled, but the Azov region is catastrophically shallow, this is a fact.


                    They grappled just because of this - that the Sea of ​​Azov is "the center of the universe and strategy"!
                    I myself look at the increasing number of mines and I think ... maybe this "invasion fool to the site ..... well, it cannot be so much fool

                    Just fix it ... not by the lake. and swamp crying water blooms in May belay
                    But I remember the times when only in September .. bloomed. Yes, and the taste .. was salty recourse
                  3. yur
                    yur 29 March 2014 15: 13
                    0
                    Quote: Ulairy
                    it is a fact. In 50 years, it can become a lake, without access to the Black Sea ...
                    Several decades ago, the Caspian Sea was also shallow, villages and industries were built on the former bottom. So- CHICHAS everything is under water. So the predictions regarding God's plans are not grateful.
                2. nahalenok911
                  nahalenok911 28 March 2014 18: 30
                  0
                  Well, I don’t know ... My husband graduated from Yeisk. Now a sniper pilot. at a high level .. Do not neglect, hostility, that the decks are not the worst bombers !!!! A narrow specialization is a pernicious intellect.
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 28 March 2014 18: 51
                    -1
                    [quote = nahalenok911]. My husband graduated from Yeisk. Now a sniper pilot. at a high level .. [/ quote]

                    This is understandable! +! love

                    [quote = nahalenok911] Do not neglect, hostility, that decks are not the worst bombers !!! [/ quote

                    Leave this topic wink

                    [quote = nahalenok911] Narrow specialization is a detriment to intelligence. [/ Quote]

                    You confuse specialization with the main type for its intended purpose.
                    It's like .. "tank biathlon", that tank ... yes ... but that's what ... biathlon lol
                    And ask your spouse, what was the name of the pilot. Flying on a fighter-bomber? wink
            2. Vi_RUS
              Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 16: 51
              +7
              Now, purely advice, tell annexes better ... you get better! hi


              You are a Troll, comrade, and not an opponent for a conversation, here is my conclusion!
              1. VAF
                VAF 28 March 2014 17: 06
                -9
                Quote: Vi_RUS
                You are a Troll, comrade, and not an opponent for a conversation, here is my conclusion!


                And you.. wassat ..no more .... and "commodity" such to have ... the enemy would not wish hi
                1. Vi_RUS
                  Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 17: 11
                  +5
                  Firstly, I did not insult you, and secondly, you cease to think, it’s stupid and not tactful, I don’t put you down, I’m just discussing with you! Behave like a kid, honestly
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 17: 15
                    0
                    Quote: Vi_RUS
                    I don’t put you cons, I’m just discussing with you

                    Yes Yes laughing
                    Quote: vaf
                    no more .... and "commodity" such to have ..

                    Serge, you’ll receive a warning, do not insult him.
                  2. VAF
                    VAF 28 March 2014 17: 25
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Serge, you’ll receive a warning, do not insult him.


                    There is ... "my general" soldier True, these "economists" strategists got it wassat well, you know something .. so and "swim" in your "region" .... WHAT in military science then shove request

                    Su-34 he .. "will send" ... here is such one clown and "sent" .. only Tu-22M3-and ... remind how .. "ended" soldier
                    And whose anti-aircraft gunners were the same kopleksa .. no need to remind?

                    But NATO complexes are a little different .. I dare to assure you soldier
                  3. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 17: 29
                    +2
                    Quote: vaf
                    Su-34 he .. "will send

                    And you can immediately throw an atomic bomb at Sagaidachny laughing
                  4. Setrac
                    Setrac 28 March 2014 17: 46
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    And you can immediately throw an atomic bomb at Sagaidachny

                    What for? If you want to ruin a small state, give him a cruiser. Sagaidachny is certainly not a cruiser, but it seems Ukraine has had enough of it.
              2. Vi_RUS
                Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 17: 28
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Yes Yes

                I minus only in the first article, then these are the minuses of the people, but not mine!
            3. VAF
              VAF 28 March 2014 17: 16
              -1
              Quote: Vi_RUS
              Firstly, I did not insult you, and secondly, you cease to think, it’s stupid and not tactful, I don’t put you down, I’m just discussing with you! Behave like a kid, honestly


              For myself, I think the name of the troll is an insult.
              Minus for the fact that you "stared" into the topic in which in general fool
              To discuss with you ... after everything you have written belay you think too much of yourself wassat

              But you admit .. that .. shit .. were "for the most .." I can't ".. that's when there will be behavior and discussion. Maybe .. but for now .. MINUS! soldier
            4. Vi_RUS
              Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 17: 27
              +4
              So far I see an insult from you only, and you continue to do so! And what am I not fool ? in what I explain to you in fact, but you evade the fact that the Sea of ​​Azov is a puddle? God be with him, although I explained why it is needed, but here’s about your Crimea, that it doesn’t solve anything, and now you say that the Crimea is not talking !! Decide and then talk! And I minus only in the first article, because for it I explained that you were wrong, even the minuses were not for me!
            5. VAF
              VAF 28 March 2014 17: 54
              0
              Quote: Vi_RUS
              , but here about the Crimea your chitat, that he doesn’t decide anything,


              Quote in the studio ... or you .. the usual "3.14 zdobol" with the Skeptic! soldier
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            8. Vi_RUS
              Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 18: 07
              +1
              I strongly recommend that you study .. or at least see the GEOGRAPHIC location of the ports of Ukraine on the Black and Azov Seas.
              Therefore, who prevents NATE from doing what you write about even without Crimea lol

              Does this quote of yours think that Crimea doesn’t solve anything in the Black Sea for Russia ?!
            9. VAF
              VAF 28 March 2014 19: 02
              -1
              Quote: Vi_RUS
              Does this quote of yours think that Crimea doesn’t solve anything in the Black Sea for Russia ?!


              It belay what level of "development" do you need to have .. to read a book and see wassat

              My quote: who prevents NATE from doing what you write about even without Crimea

              Your pearl "that Crimea does not solve anything for Russia in the Black Sea ?!

              Before you RELY, you must have that part of the body where there are not only the occipital and frontal bones. but also at least a little gray matter. at common people referred to as the brain, but as you can see ... you .. "does not threaten" wassat
    2. Vi_RUS
      Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 17: 30
      +1
      minus-minus, it will further confirm your non-competence in this matter!
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  • skeptic
    skeptic 28 March 2014 17: 35
    +3
    Quote: vaf
    first read my koment, or rather my answer to the opponent, where he argued about the Sea of ​​Azov .. all the crap !!!!


    You are my little bubble! Well, do not strain so much, God forbid burst. So much foam about things you don't know. Relax, of course the Ukrainians are the most dill in the country of Dill. Who argues, you just have "knowledge" corrected by Ukrainian propaganda. Well, it happens, try to read the real history, geography. Maybe it will help ...
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  • 31231
    31231 28 March 2014 18: 04
    +4
    for the near-by, I explain, you have an enemy group in the rear, at a distance of a shot from the barrel artillery, which will destroy your everything in a few seconds (and reconnaissance aircraft, you first recreate it


    Could you elaborate on this barrel artillery, which will cover the whole Crimea?
    180 km from North to South. You can ask what barrel artillery will cover at such a distance?
    1. iConst
      iConst 28 March 2014 18: 43
      +2
      Quote: 31231
      for the near-by, I explain, you have an enemy group in the rear, at a distance of a shot from the barrel artillery, which will destroy your everything in a few seconds (and reconnaissance aircraft, you first recreate it


      Could you elaborate on this barrel artillery, which will cover the whole Crimea?
      180 km from North to South. You can ask what barrel artillery will cover at such a distance?

      Listen, guys - stop playing war games. Bullied already.
      Argue about something else, neutral. And so already everyone is ready to bleed everyone, you are still here ...
    2. Walk
      Walk 28 March 2014 18: 44
      +2
      I would also add the question of who will allow this group to make this shot.
      1. VAF
        VAF 28 March 2014 19: 16
        0
        Quote: Walk
        I would also add the question of who will allow this group to make this shot.


        Although it’s not beautiful, I understand, but in a different way .... you won’t teach ... the question is, who prevented this from being done on 08.08.08 ????? soldier
        1. Walk
          Walk 28 March 2014 20: 06
          +1
          The naive belief that peacekeepers would certainly not be touched prevented it. I hope that now there are no such illusions, and any actions on the territory of Ukraine are monitored. And the deployment of any artillery systems will be crushed in the bud.
    3. Setrac
      Setrac 28 March 2014 19: 09
      0
      Quote: 31231
      Could you elaborate on this barrel artillery, which will cover the whole Crimea?
      180 km from North to South. You can ask what barrel artillery will cover at such a distance?

      Bull Cannon (or Bill?)
    4. VAF
      VAF 28 March 2014 19: 10
      -2
      Quote: 31231
      180 km from North to South. You can ask what barrel artillery will cover at such a distance?


      There are such systems, in my opinion called multiple launch rocket systems .... MLRS ... or am I confusing something? wink

      if not difficult. then "plunge" into the excursion of events from June 22, 1941 - BASE OF OUR AVIATION. at what distance from the border and in what position and condition.
      And where then and when did the fascists stop.
      No need to explain anything else ..or still have questions? wink
      1. zennon
        zennon 28 March 2014 20: 40
        +4
        There are such systems, in my opinion called multiple launch rocket systems .... MLRS ... or am I confusing something?

        You confuse dear vaf! The abbreviation MLRS means multiple launch rocket system .Yes, there are long-range ones. For example, the 9K58 Tornado MLRS missile range reaches 120 km, but still not 180. And actually, let's talk about the Pepelians! You can do it better.
      2. yur
        yur 29 March 2014 15: 30
        0
        Quote: vaf
        called multiple launch rocket systems
        Reactive STEM ?! Yes, you are, in fact, a prominent specialist hi otherwise I started to doubt right away.
  • nahalenok911
    nahalenok911 28 March 2014 18: 22
    +1
    Well, stupid!
  • yur
    yur 29 March 2014 15: 03
    0
    Quote: vaf
    And what to study .. or do you want to say. Thu Ilyichevsk. Odessa. Kherson, Nikolaev .. these are not ports ????
    Of course, dear, these are ports. BUT! NOT! MILITARY BASES. Or do you not notice the difference here?
  • VAF
    VAF 28 March 2014 17: 48
    -3
    Quote: Vi_RUS
    I’m from Sochi and I have been fishing in Primorsko Akhtars more than once and don’t tell me what the Sea of ​​Azov is, I’m in the know! The Caspian is not better in depth, but both there and there are gas reserves, although in the Azov less!


    How old are you .. "vyunosha" wink You still tell me where to .. "fucking" go.
    Here's the topic of the conversation .. I will specially emphasize. Although I understood from early posts that it doesn’t reach you .. or out of dullness or in infancy request
    "... but also Azovsky, not to mention the mortal threat from the deployment of offensive weapons close to the South of Russia."

    I’m informing you ... you are our fisherman ... amateur .. that all ports are more or less capable of accepting ships with tonnage: Berdyansk and Mariupol, and if they follow a strictly strict channel.
    The entire territory from Genichensk to Novoazovsk 9 left bank of the Sea of ​​Azov is the territory of Ukraine !!!

    On our side there are ports that can accept ships of the "river-sea2" class with a tonnage of no more than 3.5-5 thousand tons, and then ... with "high water" there are only 4 of them Taganrog, Yeisk.azov.Rostov ... (the only a place more or less similar to the port is Yeisk).

    What the fuck strategic importance of the Sea of ​​Azov with depths of 1.5-2 meters ???? What will swim in it? are mullets full of mullet? wassat

    Here is a snapshot from Taganrog (March 24, 2014). "They celebrated the delivery of the A-50U) ...." a gorgeous view of the raid to accommodate .. a fleet .. with a depth of 2 meters " wassat

    1. Vi_RUS
      Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 18: 01
      -1
      There are a lot of fish in the Sea of ​​Azov, and secondly, I repeat once again that there is shale gas reserves, it’s much easier to extract it, because the depth you kick so much only contributes to this!
      1. serge siberian
        serge siberian 28 March 2014 19: 06
        +2
        sir, such gas is being produced in the Ukrainian land, but ecology suffers on the lands of other states.
    2. skeptic
      skeptic 28 March 2014 18: 14
      +3
      Quote: vaf
      The entire territory from Genichensk to Novoazovsk 9 left bank of the Sea of ​​Azov is the territory of Ukraine !!!


      For reference, the Sea of ​​Azov originates from the mouth of the Don, then the Taganrog Bay, and here it is the Sea of ​​Azov. Since the side of the coast is determined from the headwaters and downwards, the right bank, in part, is Ukrainian. Yes, the mouth of the Don can hardly be called a seaport (especially in length), but not every seaport will draw such speed by the number of simultaneously loaded and unloaded ships, barges at the terminals. Yes. Naturally, not from a good life, Russia was forced to erect port facilities on the Don. What to do, if the neighbors didn’t ... Not from a good life were going to dig a bypass channel in the Kerch Strait. Do not forget?
      Well, of course you have the most porty ports, and the fish are thicker. wink
      1. VAF
        VAF 28 March 2014 19: 33
        0
        Quote: skeptic
        For reference, the Sea of ​​Azov


        Although you are a skeptic, a terrible and not educated "Hamlo", but I try to "reason" with you, although I understand that if, as in the case of Virus, then ... this is just a clinic.
        Partially .. this is just with us .. so "girla don" or the dead Donets along with the Taganrog Bay .. this is .. swamp with muddy soil with lubina no more than 1.5 meters up to the island of turtles!
        In our ports, only river-sore vessels with tonnage of 3.5-5 thousand tons are unloaded. essentially .. big barges.

        But then ... what can be called the sea ... it already goes halfway through the Beglitsky Spit when viewed along the right bank or from Yeysk .... if on the left.
        And if measured in kilometer. after all, you can ... wink then the running territory of ukraine is much longer on the right bank than ours is only 60 km away and there is so much to place NATEvsky .. that ... you will get tired of "slurping". soldier
        And with fish, normal and serious) for 9 years already, problems, and prices ... "you will get tired of buying" wassat
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 16: 39
    +6
    Quote: vaf

    MINUSES, and .. "weak" .. to justify their disadvantages?

    By morning they will dazzle you with them, like Abramovich with dollars laughing
    1. VAF
      VAF 28 March 2014 16: 53
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      By morning they will dazzle you with them, like Abramovich with dollars


      Well ... "close-minded" and we have enough ... what to do .... here the other day I risked "hitting the road" in an independent "... talking with some .. it seems to be adequate and in Russian, I have a question .. . why are you torturing us?
      I have eyes on my forehead ... in what way ... we give you gas .. all your industry works on our gas. Which competes with our metallurgy and chemistry ... we give loans without any conditions .. we will work for your citizens give Russia .. so what torment you ???
      Rather, there was a question, why is your Putin tormenting us!
      Well, they listened ..... we thought ... but anyway .... the answer ... do not. climb to us ..
      so fuck you we need to answer ... I say let's go and see .. on the dash and anti-tank eskarps ..... your tanks are dug in .. are you protecting yourself from whom?
      Silence....
      Generally .. you remember my comment a long time ago .. at the very beginning of these events .. where I wrote ... this is not the people .. it is mostly a herd !!!! which is driven to the slaughterhouse and "it" stomps there.
      In general .. scared upset !!! soldier
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 16: 59
        +12
        Quote: vaf
        Generally .. you remember my comment a long time ago .. at the very beginning of these events .. where I wrote ... this is not the people .. it is mostly a herd !!!! which is driven to the slaughterhouse and "it" stomps there.

        I remember Serge, it was the case. I, too, like calling them a herd of rams, how could I otherwise describe idiocy.
        The new government will now raise prices for everything, cut salaries and pensions, then .... when you arrive, after half a year, he will tell you that you are not helping us. We are brothers and all that. Why is this cunning .Tell him let him dig a new moat, our tanks will go around, from Belarus wassat
      2. Turkir
        Turkir 28 March 2014 17: 10
        +4
        Do not be discouraged by their evil. The smart one understands right away, and your friend gradually.
        Here, on this site, there are many thinking, Ukrainian guys.
        And how many people like him do we have in Russia?
        request
      3. serge siberian
        serge siberian 28 March 2014 19: 13
        +2
        do we produce gas in siberia? and our departments do not want to gasify the Siberian city of Novosibirsk (novonikolaevsk before the revolution) for budget money. "Let's try to gasify the means of the citizens themselves."
        And the Ukrainians did it "GREAT.MOGUCHIY.SOVETSKY UNION !!!"
  • zennon
    zennon 28 March 2014 16: 40
    +2
    MINUSES, and .. "weak" .. to justify their disadvantages?

    Not minus, but easy to justify:
    who prevents NATE from doing what you write about even without Crimea

    Their own rules! Kiev has already destroyed, supposedly infringed, annexed! We have a dispute with the Crimea over the Russian Federation. Yes, you will know that you cannot claim membership in the country’s alliance. They have territorial claims against anyone. By the way, Georgia for the same reason, cannot enter NATU. It is strange that you do not know this. I did not expect ...
    1. VAF
      VAF 28 March 2014 17: 12
      0
      Quote: zennon
      It is strange that you do not know this. I did not expect ...


      Again. 25 request Start reading from the very beginning of this .. "dispute" .. the conversation is NATO bases 9if without Crimea) and the "values" of the Azov Sea !!! soldier

      It is clear that the euphoria from our victory .. but not to the same extent recourse
      1. zennon
        zennon 28 March 2014 17: 40
        +9
        That is, what prevents NATA from locking up the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles, nothing. However, we had (died in 2008) a very worthy man Eduard Dmitrievich Baltin. Admiral, Commander of the Black Sea Fleet. So he said that "ships" are a profitable business. Crimea. This is the eyes and ears of the fleet, and our Black Sea Fleet is flawed without Crimea. So we will fight with the Crimea, but without it, no. And in general here in another article the terrible Hripen is discussed, already of the 6th generation !!! insert your five kopecks? I will read it with interest. good
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 28 March 2014 17: 52
          +2
          Quote: zennon
          That is, what prevents NATA from locking the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles is nothing.

          There is an international treaty. Its implementation is supported by two factors: Russian nuclear weapons, and Turkey's unwillingness to see "foreign" ships in "its" sea.
          To clarify, "strangers" means - not Turkish.
          1. zennon
            zennon 28 March 2014 18: 08
            +3
            There is an international treaty.

            Yes, but Turkey is a NATO member, and if there is a team, they will close the straits. Let me remind you: the Caribbean crisis began with the fact that the mattresses deployed medium-range missiles with nuclear warheads in Turkey! And the pasties did not mind. Although they knew where the answer would fly!
  • Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 28 March 2014 17: 39
    +2
    The Sea of ​​Azov has Russian ports: Yeysk-small-transshipment of grain and mineral fertilizers. and Taganrog-transshipment of coal, grain and Rostov military-industrial complex for export + import. Loss of these ports will significantly increase transport costs, it will be necessary to transport to Novorossiysk_on overloaded. I do not discuss image losses.
  • iConst
    iConst 28 March 2014 18: 37
    -1
    Quote: vaf
    MINUSES, and .. "weak" .. to justify their disadvantages?

    C'mon ... At first I also asked - but all to no purpose. Che offended by shkolotu.

    Or are you afraid of cardboard shoulder straps?

    Nothing, what am I to you?
  • jktu66
    jktu66 28 March 2014 18: 55
    0
    By the way, I know Sevastopol, Black and Azov, and Barents and Baltic, too, have enough service.
  • tommytros
    tommytros 28 March 2014 21: 14
    -1
    Straight to the point about minus. The truth is not clear why this is so exciting for adults (cons). Okay Pasans do not quarrel, follow the link and appreciate the importance of the Black Sea:
    http://www.turnerradionetwork.com/images/aegeantocrimea.png

    What do you think?
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  • tolancop
    tolancop 28 March 2014 16: 29
    +4
    That's just it, that NATO was of interest to CRIMEA. And not every TRADING port is convenient for hosting a MILITARY base.
  • skeptic
    skeptic 28 March 2014 17: 24
    +5
    Quote: vaf
    I strongly recommend that you study .. or at least see the GEOGRAPHIC location of the ports of Ukraine on the Black and Azov Seas.


    This could be written either by a d-league or a modern Ukrainian. Does the name like the Kerch Strait mean nothing to you? Forgot, not so long butting for the passage of our ships under Yushchenko?

    Quote: vaf
    Well .. "clogging" the Sea of ​​Azov is .... "strong" Have you ever seen this .. "puddle" ???


    I live at the mouth of the Don. Yes. The Sea of ​​Azov is shallow, but the fairway is enough for passage of ships and shipping barges to solid port terminals, up to Rostov and above.
    If NATO military bases were located in Kerch and on the right bank of the Sea of ​​Azov, creating huge problems for Russia would not have been difficult. But thank God ....

    By the way, I do not put cons, due to the fact that it is small to argue with an unreasonable kid (not necessarily by age)
  • jktu66
    jktu66 28 March 2014 18: 51
    0
    What remains is somewhat different, not at all in the WMB format.
  • serge siberian
    serge siberian 28 March 2014 18: 55
    +2
    Quote: vaf
    Therefore, who prevents NATE from doing what you write about even without Crimea

    AA NATE Ukraine without CRIMEA didn’t really want to. Yes, even if the east and south achieve a federation .....
  • nahalenok911
    nahalenok911 28 March 2014 18: 17
    +1
    No need to treat healthy people! Those who know the history and facts of how much Russian blood has been shed over the Crimea will never doubt the correctness of Russia's actions. And the need for subsequent investment. And in gratitude to Crimea for FAITH IN US !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • mamont5
    mamont5 28 March 2014 15: 31
    +13
    Quote: mirag2
    And we have already taken a loan from the IMF — the largest ever 6.9bn (literally the other day).

    A reference please.
    1. jjj
      jjj 28 March 2014 15: 52
      +3
      Quote: mamont5
      Quote: mirag2
      And we have already taken a loan from the IMF — the largest ever 6.9bn (literally the other day).
      A reference please.

      Even our Ministry of Finance refused all external borrowing. It became not profitable
    2. Vi_RUS
      Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 16: 41
      +4
      Yes, there is not a loan, disa next, if only in the comments on show off!
  • VADEL
    VADEL 28 March 2014 15: 32
    +6
    I would venture to draw a stream of cons: what, have we already gotten everything up?

    Only for this I put "+". And money for a good cause is not a pity.
  • JVN
    JVN 28 March 2014 15: 34
    +3
    We pack these mani. We will hand over to waste paper. And we will return the loan
  • Setrac
    Setrac 28 March 2014 15: 44
    +7
    Quote: mirag2
    I would venture to draw a stream of cons: what, have we already gotten everything up?

    Just been in the store - it has not risen in price.
    Quote: mirag2
    And we have already taken a loan from the IMF — the largest ever 6.9bn (literally the other day).

    More details here please.
    1. VAF
      VAF 28 March 2014 16: 19
      0
      Quote: Setrac
      Just been in the store - it has not risen in price.


      Do not whistle" wink - tobacco and "vodka", some bakery and milk products.
      At gas stations fuel!
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 28 March 2014 16: 54
        +1
        Quote: vaf
        Do not "whistle" - tobacco and "vodka"

        Let it rise in price
        Quote: vaf
        some bakery and milk.

        Bread and milk did not rise in price.
        Quote: vaf
        At gas stations fuel!

        AI-95 - for thirty cents this month (one percent).
        1. Billy Bones
          Billy Bones 28 March 2014 17: 34
          +1
          I don’t know about vodka and tobacco, but gasoline went up by 50 kopecks, some types of bread - up to three rubles.
      2. Vedmed_23
        Vedmed_23 28 March 2014 16: 58
        +3
        They have been talking about these price increases for a year now, and where is the Crimea?
      3. Walk
        Walk 28 March 2014 18: 10
        0
        Tobacco and vodka have risen in price during the company to combat them, announced more than a year ago. Long before the events in Ukraine. Or say that this is what Putin foresaw? laughing
  • avt
    avt 28 March 2014 16: 00
    +20
    Quote: mirag2
    I would venture to draw a stream of cons: what, have we already gotten everything up?

    The classic, cut agitation of the Gaidarov Witnesses that everything is gone and if we do not pray hard and don’t make sacrifices through them to the All-Regulating Market, the Holy Investment will leave us and severely punish us. Especially if we start investing in Crimea. Today, the "enlightened" market people, these HSEs, prefer to keep silent about the fact that Crimea, in general, was not a subsidized region in Ukraine, but, on the contrary, was a donor, and in 2013 it fed on 65% of the production of finished products, and not a semi-finished product - finished, going for export to Russia and not only. And investments in the Crimea, as in Russia, in general, what many have long been demanding - to invest money in the creation of the infrastructure of their country, and not in the "most reliable" bonds of the United States in America. on the transition to the ruble zone and social payments to pensioners and budget workers is an insignificant part, which, again, if you believe the "loyal market people", goes into the circulation of the consumption sphere - again not to offshore, but quite be in the economy of the Crimea. But all the priests are the same, that the priest, that the priest, that the priest's daughter. Yes, the investments will not be repaid in six months or a year, as our hucksters who have come out of the dashing 90s are used to, for some reason they imagined themselves to be the "support of Russia", it is not possible to snatch stupidly on the cut - other uncles are sitting and do not let the gopota go, Gaidar ", so they howled like at the construction sites of the Olympiad. So the disadvantages that you ask are well deserved - you could just search and see how much and what, for what amount Crimea produced in 2013. How many pennies did Kiev have, according to their tax legislation, that many times tougher and more centralized than ours, and how much {practically an order of magnitude or even less} I received back in the form of subsidies. God knows what secret knowledge, but then you will quite realize all the nonsense that the adherents of the economic sect "Gaidarov's Witnesses" are saying
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 28 March 2014 16: 02
    +6
    Mirage You have more than once been caught on ... how polite ... on inaccuracies.
    Show the link to the document.
    Next, we just shod the United States with more than 100 billion dollars devastating the Fed. What the hell are we for these pennies?))))
  • Zeus
    Zeus 28 March 2014 16: 02
    +3
    We do not take loans from the IMF! And also do not take from anyone else! We give loans ourselves!
  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 28 March 2014 16: 07
    +10
    You are right, euphoria has swept people. And this is dangerous. The Crimea was returned, it’s good, but it’s too early to relax the buns, the enemy does not sleep. It would be wonderful if the authorities always behaved in the interests of the motherland.
  • Eydolon
    Eydolon 28 March 2014 16: 37
    +1
    something hysteria, you calm down, drink Corvalop or beer, take a closer look at Russia, see a pleasant surprise, if you are not a kanesh, and if so, you will see the thriller of all Amer’s democracy. In any case, you will learn the truth, congratulations am
  • maximus235
    maximus235 28 March 2014 16: 45
    +3
    Have you looked at the date of this news about a large loan from the IMF?
    In fact, all IMF loans have been repaid for 9 years:
    http://ria.ru/spravka/20140224/996722123.html
  • polite people
    polite people 28 March 2014 16: 46
    +4
    The collapse of the country is evident. The Minister of the Interior is ticking from the people.
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  • zeleznijdorojnik
    zeleznijdorojnik 28 March 2014 16: 49
    0
    It’s not entirely correct, Russia didn’t take a loan, but essentially $ 6.9 billion in bank receipts. handed over to Ukraine. The IMF will have to pay real money to Hohland, but they will give interest to the Russian Federation, in short the deal is profitable, see the link: http: //m.censor.net.ua/news/266501/rossiya_vozmet_v_dolg_u_mvf_chtoby_pre
    dostavit_kredit_ukraine_9_mlrd_dadut_v_vide_kvazivalyuty link at least Ukrainian, but from 15.01.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX, you can believe.
  • raven75
    raven75 28 March 2014 16: 54
    0
    mirag2? I suppose you were holding a candle when you took a loan from the IMF? Have you read the Ukrainian "Novosti" or have you visited the Banderlog site? Russia has not taken loans for a long time, the hell she needs them. We are already taking loans from ourselves, a long time ago ...
  • urzul
    urzul 28 March 2014 17: 11
    +1
    You are confusing something, even considering that the largest loan was 12 billion and we took it at the beginning of 96.
    And 6,9 billion of our debt was for 2003 year.
    So the minus you deservedly put.
    About the rise in price, I agree, but not critical. And it is connected with the fall of the ruble, and not a decrease in production.
  • Titushka
    Titushka 28 March 2014 17: 24
    +6
    Everything will fall into place when BB refuses a unified payment system and introduces its master card, then both Crimea and Sochi will pay off in full, and the United States is not waiting for default but well ... and full!
  • iConst
    iConst 28 March 2014 17: 32
    0
    Quote: mirag2
    And we have already taken a loan from the IMF — the largest ever 6.9bn (literally the other day).

    Source to the studio!
  • urganov
    urganov 28 March 2014 17: 45
    0
    I just didn’t understand, and why the post mirag2 (4) RU is minus today, 14:49.

    Can someone explain? The only thing incomprehensible about the loan is the IMF.
    1. iConst
      iConst 28 March 2014 18: 00
      0
      Quote: urganov
      I just didn’t understand, and why the post mirag2 (4) RU is minus today, 14:49.

      Can someone explain? The only thing incomprehensible about the loan is the IMF.

      And don’t hope the minus people never show up. laughing
      Here, what is not to your liking is just to the snout. No explanation laughing

      Get used to it ...
  • nik.tmn72
    nik.tmn72 28 March 2014 17: 46
    -2
    nothing, the Russian people can stand it, if the officials were abundant, they would soon gain ground in Crimea!
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 28 March 2014 17: 56
    +2
    Quote: mirag2
    SUCH expenses-Crimea will not cost 3 billion, but the money that we will lose due to the policy towards Russia

    When some civilians begin to talk about the costs of "Crimea," the impression is that they rave. yes
    It is as if this peninsula is not the southern pearl of nature exceptionally well located strategically (for the fleet, for the gas pipeline, and even gas on the shelf), but a piece of rocky tundra without anything and beyond the Arctic Circle.
    And with regard to the Ukrainian press, which wants to prove to the layman that lying is better than standing, I just want to rephrase the poet’s words: ... and don’t be interested in our everyday life, you have enough of your business, dig a ditch, reduce debt and please your maidan.
  • PSih2097
    PSih2097 28 March 2014 18: 23
    +2
    Quote: mirag2
    and then there are SUCH expenses-Crimea will not cost 3 billion,and in the money that we lose because of the policy towards Russia, but this is an inevitable evil — the sooner it starts, the sooner it ends.

    The strategic importance of Crimea, both militarily and politically, cannot be estimated in money ...
  • serge siberian
    serge siberian 28 March 2014 18: 24
    +1
    Quote: mirag2
    And we have already taken a loan from the IMF — the largest ever 6.9bn (literally the other day).

    and why? that the people of RUSSIA (the common people) do not have money, and so it is clear. And our deputies are not cheap to the treasury! Their salary is cut 30% weakly?
    banks (ALMOST 90% of them take more than 21% per annum for lending to citizens) they should be closed, the laundries. money from avshors cannot be returned, understandably, but it is impossible to let them go there without donation.
  • Cubit
    Cubit 28 March 2014 18: 31
    +2
    Who else, but I hate it when a selfish interest gets in between my people. It does not matter whether Crimea will pay off the investment or not. It is important firstly to prove to yourself, and secondly to prove to the rest of the world - We are a people with a capital letter, - We - got up from our knees, - we - will fully reward the West and its satellites for all "good" intentions ...
  • dmitrich
    dmitrich 29 March 2014 06: 32
    0
    Quote: mirag2
    I would venture to draw a stream of cons: what, have we already gotten everything up?
    It has risen in price, and with the money we have a pipe-on Sochi 50bn, and here SUCH expenses-Crimea will not cost 3bn, but the money that we will lose because of the policy towards Russia — but this inevitable evil will begin sooner- the sooner it ends.
    And we have already taken a loan from the IMF — the largest ever 6.9bn (literally the other day).

    wake up man, you rave.
  • boozer
    boozer 29 March 2014 12: 31
    +1
    "Not all that glitters is gold" Kozma Prutkov. Much money cannot be measured! In 1812, frogs with henchmen from all over Europe were driven, survived, in 1945 the Nazis were driven to Berlin, survived, and now we will survive! Don't just whine, I plowed the land for potatoes again - 4 hundred parts, and I haven't planted for 15 years! Let's live! laughing
  • Zera
    Zera 29 March 2014 15: 12
    0
    It doesn’t happen like that - take it and everything is fine. The echo of the 90s will be for a long time, so stop whining about the rise in price.
    Crimea will pay for itself 100 times, albeit not in the near future.
    Quote: mirag2
    I would venture to draw a stream of cons: what, have we already gotten everything up?
    It has risen in price, and with the money we have a pipe-on Sochi 50bn, and here SUCH expenses-Crimea will not cost 3bn, but the money that we will lose because of the policy towards Russia — but this inevitable evil will begin sooner- the sooner it ends.
    And we have already taken a loan from the IMF — the largest ever 6.9bn (literally the other day).




    It doesn’t happen like that - take it and everything is fine. The echo of the 90s will be for a long time, so stop whining about the rise in price.
    Crimea will pay for itself 100 times, albeit not in the near future.
  • Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 28 March 2014 14: 49
    +43
    The local newspaper gazeta.ua writes that "in three years Russia will disintegrate due to its depleted economy." The reason is the country's global isolation. The reserves will be enough for six months, then the Russians will see an increase in prices, and then it will be even worse.


    Gyyyyyyyyy ........................ I'm under the table ... wassat
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz 28 March 2014 15: 11
      +19
      Enough to scoff at the poor "God will not forgive! wassat
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 March 2014 15: 12
      +13
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      ..I'm under the table..

      Everything is under the table, only komenty somehow scribble laughing
      1. vadimalehin76
        vadimalehin76 28 March 2014 15: 21
        +7
        Try a hundred tongue scrape the "keyboard" on the floor and scribble
        1. jjj
          jjj 28 March 2014 15: 55
          +2
          All users of gadgets in the toilet should remember: your every bunch is recorded by U.S. intelligence
      2. Narkom
        Narkom 28 March 2014 15: 25
        +5
        Noutov, yes tablets were bought and scribbled from the table laughing
      3. Setrac
        Setrac 28 March 2014 15: 46
        +2
        tails and hooves
      4. Oleg Sobol
        Oleg Sobol 28 March 2014 16: 13
        +4
        Another "annealing" from Vilnius Ukraine laughing

        KIEV, 28 Mar - RIA Novosti. Deputy Head of the "Internet Party of Ukraine" Darth Vader will run for president of Ukraine, according to the party’s website.

        This will be officially announced on Friday at the union's congress. "According to the results of the past internal party primaries, Comrade Vader won a landslide victory, therefore, he will become the candidate for the presidency of Ukraine from our party," said party leader Dmitry Golubov.
        The future presidential candidate, in turn, announced his readiness to take responsibility for the fate of the state. "Only I can make an empire out of the republic, regain its former power, lost territories, and pride in the country," said Vader, whose statement is posted on the party's website.
        Darth Vader became widely known in Ukraine after a series of actions organized by him. So, he declared himself the mayor of Odessa, attacked the Ministry of Justice of Ukraine with a detachment of storm troopers, fought illegal parking lots, distributed salt and matches to the people of Kiev on the eve of the "end of the world." He proposed to the former mayor of Odessa Alexei Kostusev to become the head of the planet Tatooine.

        РИА Новости http://ria.ru/world/20140328/1001462979.html#ixzz2xG5vdv4s
        1. Turkir
          Turkir 28 March 2014 20: 01
          0
          This booth will distract people.
          And Poroshenko or Tymoshenko, under this booth and pass, easy and fun.
          The crowd loves the circus, not the theater.

          And the Sea of ​​Azov serves as a neutral strip. It doesn’t matter, a shallow or deep strip, the main thing is that it is wide enough. Shalands are better than warships.
          fellow
      5. avt
        avt 28 March 2014 16: 15
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Everything is under the table, only komenty somehow scribble

        Oh, Wei however, in the sense of technological progress with Wi-Fi, you can print under the table on the floor. bully
      6. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat 28 March 2014 23: 27
        0
        I have a tablet laughing

        // sorry for offtopic
  • Vi_RUS
    Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 14: 51
    +12
    everything is special so that your problems are not very noticeable. Like: "and you know, but in Russia ...", another part of the war forms!
  • avg
    avg 28 March 2014 15: 02
    +20
    And I like Pavel Sheremet most of all: "the price for gas is the price of Ukrainian independence." That is, the higher the price, the more independence. Ah, well done! laughing
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 28 March 2014 15: 11
      +18
      The local newspaper gazeta.ua writes that "in three years Russia will disintegrate due to its depleted economy."
      ...........Russia has been depleted for more than a thousand years, and God gives it even more.......... here the other day Crimea threw a piece of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk with gas, oil and Kamchatka crabs, Lomonosov ridge in the Arctic is next in line
      In the area of ​​the Lomonosov Ridge, up to 25 percent of the world's hydrocarbon reserves are concentrated. But in total, according to the estimates of the British concern BP, the reserves of the Arctic region are estimated at 200 billion barrels of oil equivalent. It is assumed that under the northern waters are hidden deposits of not only gas, but also coal, diamonds, gold, platinum, tin, manganese, nickel, lead
      ........the hand of the giver is not impoverished....... do not open your mouth to another loaf, consider your pennies, you might become smarter, learn to negotiate with people (neighboring countries) and keep your word
      1. jjj
        jjj 28 March 2014 15: 57
        +3
        Quote: strannik595
        up to 25 percent of world hydrocarbon reserves concentrated in the area of ​​the Lomonosov ridge

        Crimea was attached - they immediately fixed for us and the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. And if we add the east and south of Ukraine, then, by analogy, we must give up the entire Arctic
  • Cetegg
    Cetegg 28 March 2014 15: 15
    +41
    Brutal realities!)) The sowing is in full swing!)))
  • Vi_RUS
    Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 15: 18
    +21
    - How many in Ukraine is she?
    - Eight million.
    - And how many of them are ready to obtain Russian citizenship?
    - Fifteen million ...
    1. Vi_RUS
      Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 15: 18
      +13
      - Yulia Tymoshenko returned to Ukraine. In Germany, her back was cured.
      - And the head?
      - They didn’t touch my head. They need her so much!
      1. Vi_RUS
        Vi_RUS 28 March 2014 15: 20
        +23
        On the Internet, from the Ukrainian side, the words "Maidan against Putin !!!" are constantly encountered. For his part, Putin declares that he is not against the Maidan. On the contrary. Putin asks the Ukrainians to pay more. Until only Galicia remains from Ukraine.
        1. major071
          major071 28 March 2014 15: 36
          +28
          All about the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine in one picture:
      2. JVN
        JVN 28 March 2014 15: 37
        +7
        good Well said
  • ava09
    ava09 28 March 2014 16: 23
    +9
    Only RUSSIANS never looked at a plate to a neighbor; they outfitted their neighbor with their own. This distinguishes us from reptilians.
  • Grenader
    Grenader 28 March 2014 16: 39
    +4
    The newly appointed Minister of Economic Development and Trade of Ukraine Pavel Sheremeta has already stated that the Ukrainian people will now have to explain that "in fact, you have to pay for gas." And you have to pay for gas, Sheremeta explains, because this is the "price" of Ukrainian independence.
    From whom is independence? From your own brains? Something I did not particularly observe any dependence of Ukraine on Russia. They did what they wanted, ruled the country whatever they got, they threw our gas (most likely the name of the country Ukraine came from the word steal), and now they are freed from us.
    1. Curculum
      Curculum 28 March 2014 17: 26
      +1
      Quote: Grenader
      The newly appointed Minister of Economic Development and Trade of Ukraine Pavel Sheremeta has already stated that the Ukrainian people will now have to explain that "in fact, you have to pay for gas." And you have to pay for gas, Sheremeta explains, because this is the "price" of Ukrainian independence.

      By the way, about "independence":
      Hungary is against the new EU sanctions against Russia.
      "There is no reasonable alternative to natural gas imports from Russia," said Sigmar Gabriel, German Vice Chancellor and Economy Minister.
      The House of Representatives of Cyprus (Parliament of the Republic) adopted a resolution requiring the government to oppose sanctions and other measures that could harm relations with Russia.
      - http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/news/view/89129/
      "States and countries today are more than interconnected. And who wants complete freedom - there are still places on Earth."
      1. serge siberian
        serge siberian 28 March 2014 19: 39
        +1
        Quote: Aleksandr68
        States and countries today are more than interconnected. And who wants complete freedom - there are still places on Earth. "

        and take it too. You will take with yourself that you have gained or reproached) then go ahead!
  • Aleksandr68
    Aleksandr68 28 March 2014 17: 52
    +1
    I would say: "In the wrong hands, a member is always thicker"
  • storog.cccp
    storog.cccp 28 March 2014 18: 17
    +1
    100 steps - No one remembered, 500 days and paradise of Russia are provided. Not really on the same rake you can step on constantly. laughing Acceleration overtook Ukraine, in place of 500 only 100. We are waiting for the results of the Lord God - the creation of the world in seven days. Py-sy, I remembered an old anecdote about a Jewish tailor carrying out an order for a long time: "Look at this world, and at these trousers."
    1. Aleksandr68
      Aleksandr68 April 10 2014 21: 42
      0
      so after all "500 days" we had so who is in life in the information blockade?
  • alexng
    alexng 28 March 2014 14: 47
    +17
    The insanity of the maydauns has already grown to such a size that it has already become noticeable in Ukraine itself by its inhabitants.
    1. Arhj
      Arhj 28 March 2014 15: 12
      +16
      And they have no other choice. Their only hope of holding on is to convince the population that others are even worse. From what Crimea was closed - they are afraid that information will go from there about "how the local population suffers under the yoke of Russia." If the army and the police find out about Russian salaries, and pensioners about Crimean pensions, we will have to build prisoner of war camps.
      Apparently from the poor life in Crimea, a massive influx of non-Crimeans who want to quietly obtain Russian citizenship and remain in the occupied territory.
    2. Zeus
      Zeus 28 March 2014 16: 13
      +8
      This Maidan has already become visible to animals. Grandmother argued at the cottage whose Maidan might be.
    3. VAF
      VAF 28 March 2014 16: 32
      +4
      Quote: alexneg
      The insanity of the maydauns has already grown to such a size that it has already become noticeable in Ukraine itself by its inhabitants.


      Nah, Alexander Ivanovich, a little wrong drinks
      Maydanutye are not the same..maydanutye who "in a single impulse" wassat
      Infection The right sector otzhelno ... Defense of the Maidan separately, etc.
      There are a little more people who understand. what about the fascists .. "you won't go far" .. and now everyone is urgently looking for .. where and to whom to stick to. but not to Russia (such a situation in Kiev and to the west and south).
      if ours will continue to "chew snot". then we will lose the Dnieper and Zaporozhye ...... of the "fighters" only really Lugansk and Makeyevka, but not Donetsk itself.
      And the Kharkiv ... Kharkiv for the most part is ready to "get up on skis" and in the status of a refugee to Russia ... but ... to defend their rights ... the guts are thin !!! soldier
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 29 March 2014 11: 08
        +1
        Quote: vaf
        if ours will continue to "chew snot". then we will lose the Dnieper and Zaporozhye

        It looks like we lost it back in 1991. The collapse of the USSR simply cannot pass without unpleasant consequences.
        And how do you think to stop our "chewing snot"?
        A liberation trip to New Russia?
        And if a hundred, another young "pravosek", who, for sure, will shoot, will crash, then what will their tattoos and mamos sing with brothers and sisters?
        Or do you think that "all won" from Ternopil and Rivne?
        Now it's not so easy to return Dnipro and Zaporozhye ...
        The abscess should open from the inside.
        And it takes time, money, and other help to pro-Russian healthy forces, and most importantly as taught by Comrade V.I. Ulnov (Lenin)revolutionary situevina certainly must ripen.
        It’s impossible without her ... request
  • Rus2012
    Rus2012 28 March 2014 14: 47
    +14
    in Ukraine, a boycott of products from Russia begins: "If 90% of Ukrainians do not buy Russian goods, then Russia will lose another 12 billion dollars."

    Now what do we have -
    Moscow curbs trade with Kiev
    In 2011, the trade turnover between Russia and Ukraine amounted to almost 55 billion dollars, and this is one of the best indicators for all the years after independence between the two countries. In 2012, trade fell to 45,5 billion, and in 2013, when the Yanukovych government began to actively prepare for the signing of the Association Agreement with the EU, it fell another 25%.

    Experts say that many Russian companies, in particular, pipe manufacturers, will be happy to get rid of Ukrainian competitors. In 2011 and 2012, Ukraine’s quota for pipe deliveries to the Russian Federation amounted to 300 000 tons, in 2013 due to the introduction of anti-dumping duties this figure was reduced to 200 000 tons.

    The Klimov gas turbine helicopter engine plant in St. Petersburg urgently seeks a replacement for Ukrainian component suppliers. The cost of the contract is several billion rubles a year. Preference is given to Russian manufacturers.

    Moscow metro builders are looking for a new partner - the manufacturer of cast-iron tubing, which is used to strengthen the tunnels. Negotiations are conducted with the directors of the Ural metallurgical plants. The former supplier, the Ukrainian Dneprotyazhmash plant, delays shipment due to the unstable political situation in the country. This, in turn, postpones the commissioning of the Lyublinsko-Dmitrovskaya metro line by about six months.

    And in the St. Petersburg production association Power Machines, now, apparently, it will be necessary to revise the contract concluded in 2012 with the Ukrainian company DTEK Vostokenergo for the modernization of turbines of power units No. 11 and 15 of Lugansk TPP. The implementation of the project has already begun, but whether it will be possible to complete all the work is unknown.

    In 2011, Ukrainian enterprises supplied 140 million dollars worth of equipment for Russian nuclear power plants. Rosatom sent nuclear fuel to four Ukrainian nuclear power plants. Now we are talking about closing joint projects, the total cost of which, according to some sources, was estimated at 6 billion dollars.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 28 March 2014 14: 52
      +21
      Quote: Rus2012
      in Ukraine, a boycott of products from Russia begins: "If 90% of Ukrainians do not buy Russian goods, then Russia will lose another 12 billion dollars."


      Gas burners turn off ... fellow
    2. Turkir
      Turkir 28 March 2014 20: 15
      0
      And if, and if ...
      And if, we ask, Ukrainian citizens who earn money, not only for themselves, but also send money to their families, leave Russia, and according to new data, it turns out that under TWO MILLIONS and at the border we will give each of them shameless, then Ukraine will lose even more.
      Everyone will scratch a soft spot.
    3. Alekseev
      Alekseev 29 March 2014 11: 19
      0
      Quote: Rus2012
      and Ukraine begins a boycott of products from Russia:

      Quote: Rus2012
      Moscow curbs trade with Kiev

      Many foreign and domestic plants will not wait to replace Ukrainian enterprises in the Russian market.
      This is not always good for price, remoteness and other factors.
      But how will the Russian market be replaced by an independent one?
      But these are jobs, people. "Shchyrye" Ukrainian national-dermokrats are not on friendly terms with their heads. And about the Banderlog, then there is nothing to say ...
  • Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol 28 March 2014 14: 48
    +30
    I said that in 5 years we can reach $ 10 thousand. That is, in fact, we are talking about an increase of 2,7 times. And it's not fiction
    Of course this is not fiction ... It's just sick nonsense, in the absence of a brain.
  • kolyhalovs
    kolyhalovs 28 March 2014 14: 49
    +20
    The map of Ukraine in the header image is incorrect. Careful need to be. fool
  • dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 28 March 2014 14: 50
    +12
    The article has added a plus sign. But even a long one. In the first paragraph it is clear that there is nothing to discuss. I rubbed it more than once already. Let's continue? I pass!
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 28 March 2014 14: 53
      +22
      Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
      The article has added a plus sign. But even a long one. In the first paragraph it is clear that there is nothing to discuss. I rubbed it more than once already. Let's continue? I pass!


      How not to read? ibid Russia took 3 years of life and food riots ?! fellow wassat
      1. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz 28 March 2014 14: 59
        +9
        Opachki! And I bought the tuta for 50 years! And what to do?
        1. Narkom
          Narkom 28 March 2014 15: 28
          +10
          Eat everything in three years ... and rebel good
          1. dmitrij.blyuz
            dmitrij.blyuz 28 March 2014 16: 06
            +6
            Nah. For three years, and the army doesn’t gobble up. But here, Ukraine, I could be able to help. Not for nothing! I’m a Yaytsenka a shepherd, huh? I don’t listen to my cowboys. recourse Can this bald body fit? what I will throw shaneshki to him once every three days. Not bad, huh?
            1. major071
              major071 28 March 2014 16: 25
              +10
              Well, if Yaytsenyuha is taken by a shepherd, then either the herd will run away or the cows will arrange Maidan. In short, a full paragraph will come to the au pair! laughing
              1. dmitrij.blyuz
                dmitrij.blyuz 28 March 2014 16: 40
                0
                From the sight of him? I don’t think. The cows are still those! If not, gored! And specialists have fewer problems! The second cross will appear! Grass, damn it, there is no one to mow.
  • darksoul
    darksoul 28 March 2014 14: 51
    +12
    And why look into our plate. It’s necessary to raise your economy and oh yes to Russia in the summer, to rest in Crimea fellow
  • AleksPol
    AleksPol 28 March 2014 14: 53
    +21
    And if Russia will not buy Ukrainian goods and give up working hands from Ukraine? Did they calculate this? And it comes to the fact that the Ukrainian hard workers, working under Peter, call us mo scals and try to swing rights.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 28 March 2014 14: 56
      +8
      Quote: AleksPol
      And if Russia will not buy Ukrainian goods and give up working hands from Ukraine? Did they calculate this? And it comes to the fact that the Ukrainian hard workers, working under Peter, call us mo scals and try to swing rights.


      Do not force the situation. I doubt that anyone who works in Russia spits in the well in front of the owner of the well ... hi
      1. AleksPol
        AleksPol 28 March 2014 15: 09
        +18
        Unfortunately, this is really a son-in-law at a construction site faced with this. There is no reason not to believe him. The foreman of these 2 guys fired. And who got better
      2. mihailmpmailru
        mihailmpmailru 28 March 2014 15: 32
        +19
        I’m a cousin of me from Zhytomyr in the suburbs working at a construction site. he’s also trying to conduct anti-Russian agitation, he was going to go to war with Russia. And they, according to him, are 30 people. And you say do not escalate, I am sure so at every construction site or career. In short, I quarreled with my brother.
        1. Lantau
          Lantau 28 March 2014 15: 39
          +15
          Quote: mihailmpmailru
          I’m a cousin of me from Zhytomyr in the suburbs working at a construction site. he’s also trying to conduct anti-Russian agitation, he was going to go to war with Russia. And they, according to him, are 30 people. And you say do not escalate, I am sure so at every construction site or career. In short, I quarreled with my brother.

          In this case, it will look something like this:
        2. AleksPol
          AleksPol 28 March 2014 16: 04
          +5
          This is scary. Workers from work do not take off and cannot be compared with the Azite hard workers by qualifications. And the brain is completely washed. Although here they watch our TV. and they can figure out what's what. But they don’t want or cannot
        3. AleksPol
          AleksPol 28 March 2014 16: 05
          +1
          This is scary. Workers from work do not take off and cannot be compared with the Azite hard workers by qualifications. And the brain is completely washed. Although here they watch our TV. and they can figure out what's what. But they don’t want or cannot
        4. ioann1
          ioann1 28 March 2014 18: 31
          0
          Quote: mihailmpmailru
          I’m a cousin of me from Zhytomyr in the suburbs working at a construction site. he’s also trying to conduct anti-Russian agitation, he was going to go to war with Russia. And they, according to him, are 30 people. And you say do not escalate, I am sure so at every construction site or career. In short, I quarreled with my brother.

          Acute psychosis in Ukraine! More recently, they were calm and joyful, and since February, they have been scalded. So the "joke" of the evil from the West was successful. My brother and I also, by the way, he is also from the Zhytomyr region, the same nonsense. He sees enemies in everyone, but they understand that they were simply brainwashed. Fascism is highly contagious. But not for reasonable people! The Lord allowed this misfortune to all of us so that we would be reasoned and remembered that everything in this world is from God! And any falling away from the Lord to other heresies (Catholicism, sectarianism, Uniateism and other delusion) will be punished in such a terrible way.
        5. Alekseev
          Alekseev 29 March 2014 11: 28
          0
          Quote: mihailmpmailru
          he’s also trying to conduct anti-Russian agitation, he’s still going to war with Russia

          Drive to the neck, without unnecessary conversations. Let their brains be set to them.
          But visas for those wishing to work are necessary.
    2. ultra
      ultra 28 March 2014 15: 11
      +13
      Quote: AleksPol
      And then it comes to the point that the Ukrainian hard workers working under St. Petersburg call us mo.skaly and try to download rights.

      Break it down once and they will calm down!
    3. Arhj
      Arhj 28 March 2014 15: 18
      +5
      Quote: AleksPol
      And if Russia will not buy Ukrainian goods and give up working hands from Ukraine? Did they calculate this? And it comes to the fact that the Ukrainian hard workers, working under Peter, call us mo scals and try to swing rights.

      Russia will not do this, since the South-East will suffer first of all. Another question is that Russia can be forced to do so. The Ukrainian authorities have a full Maidan in their heads, but they can also introduce sanctions against us. For example, do not sell strategic fat to Russia. But the more likely option is when Ukrainian goods disappear from the market, and not only Russian, due to the fact that the enterprises producing them will rise.
      1. skeptic
        skeptic 28 March 2014 15: 50
        +2
        Quote: Arhj
        For example, do not sell strategic fat to Russia.


        Well, this is possible only if they stop buying lard from us.wink
    4. skeptic
      skeptic 28 March 2014 15: 43
      +5
      Quote: AleksPol
      And then it comes to the point that the Ukrainian hard workers working under St. Petersburg call us mo.skaly and try to download rights.


      So satisfy their rights, a suitcase-station-maidan. They are waiting for them. Let them raise the Ukrainian economy, directly in their homeland.
      Something like this.
      1. Quantum
        Quantum 28 March 2014 17: 01
        +1
        Of the 3 million Ukrainian migrant workers, 80% are Western, and these are unfriendly people. You need to take it only from central and south-eastern Ukraine.
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    5. serge siberian
      serge siberian 28 March 2014 19: 52
      +1
      Quote: AleksPol
      And if Russia does not buy Ukrainian goods, did they calculate this? And then it comes to the point that the Ukrainian hard workers working under St. Petersburg call us mo.skaly and try to download rights.

      and they, as reported by "VO", do not care if theyyourself with a mustache
  • Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol 28 March 2014 14: 55
    +16
    Quote: mirag2
    And we have already taken a loan from the IMF — the largest ever 6.9bn (literally the other day).

    This information was not for you from Ukraine, was it transmitted to you by chance? laughing
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 28 March 2014 14: 59
    +8
    Independently, they lived for themselves at the expense of Russia by more than half, and now only minuses and something else than how it all ends only God knows. Maybe corruption will be won when there is nothing to steal smile
  • rasputin17
    rasputin17 28 March 2014 15: 02
    +8
    Mr. Yatsenyuk made life easier for local journalists by announcing in February that the state treasury of Ukraine is empty. Apparently this is why the media are busy with calculations in the Russian treasury.


    Since there is no money in our treasury, we will count them in Russia !! It is of course that counting other people's money is not good, but it’s nice, and people distracted them from rumbling empty bellies and everyday problems !!

    The top of dibilism and mediocrity is to let the country go around the world but at the same time to talk about some kind of lousy superiority !!
  • Evgen_Vasilich
    Evgen_Vasilich 28 March 2014 15: 02
    +13
    i'm just intellectually stumped ... people see price increases, no den payment. funds to state employees. stagnation of the economy and on the "blue eye" are looking forward with enthusiasm, they are also going to strangle the "Slavic brother" with sanctions ... I don't understand anything anymore, because if I have nothing to eat, then I don't care that in half a year the hated neighbor will think about the possible lack of food, I'll die by that time ... and these, well, just, what fellows !!! request
    1. mihailmpmailru
      mihailmpmailru 28 March 2014 15: 36
      +3
      they will give out dry packs))))
  • sovety
    sovety 28 March 2014 15: 03
    +12
    Quote: mirag2
    I would venture to draw a stream of cons: what, have we already gotten everything up?
    It has risen in price, and with the money we have a pipe-on Sochi 50bn, and here SUCH expenses-Crimea will not cost 3bn, but the money that we will lose because of the policy towards Russia — but this inevitable evil will begin sooner- the sooner it ends.
    And we have already taken a loan from the IMF — the largest ever 6.9bn (literally the other day).

    wassat What is such a loan ?! Why the hell would we need him ?!
    We ourselves already "credit" everyone! laughing
    Even the "maydanutym" fell 3 billion of greens wassat
  • Capacitor
    Capacitor 28 March 2014 15: 04
    +8
    Forward yes with the song brothers wink only without us, we will sit in our "terrible" Russia and giggle at the delirium of a madman in the form of a new power drinks
  • Sma11
    Sma11 28 March 2014 15: 05
    +33
    response to the action of Ukrainian women "Don't let the Russian" .
  • Rokossovsky
    Rokossovsky 28 March 2014 15: 07
    +21
    I propose to start the Baikot of Russian goods in Ukraine by abandoning natural gas and oil products! It will be extremely patriotic! fool
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 28 March 2014 15: 36
      +4
      Yes, there is a specific Russophobian brainwashing, what will they do next when all the same it comes to them that Russia does not attack them.
      1. Native grandfather
        Native grandfather 28 March 2014 18: 05
        +1
        Quote: ZU-23
        Yes, there is a specific Russophobian brainwashing, what will they do next when all the same it comes to them that Russia does not attack them.

        It will not reach them. They will be told that the Russian army was frightened by the Ukrainian army. Well, even the moat could not overcome. Therefore, there were no Russian tanks in Kiev. And they will believe, be sure.
  • ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 28 March 2014 15: 22
    +14
    Yes, they are just sick !!! - Idiots do not have access to meaningful activity. Speech does not develop. pronounce only individual inarticulate sounds and words, often do not understand the speech of others, do not distinguish relatives from outsiders. They are not capable of independent life: they do not possess basic self-service skills, they cannot eat on their own, sometimes they do not even chew food, are untidy, and need constant care and supervision. Thinking does not develop, the reaction to the environment is sharply reduced. Emotional life is exhausted by primitive reactions of pleasure and displeasure. Outbreaks of unmotivated anger predominate in some.
  • Cossacks
    Cossacks 28 March 2014 15: 23
    +1
    I remember earlier explained pipelines friendship is an element of pressure that a little tap on the tovs and all things. In fact, nothing in this world is changing, as then and now, at the expense of the future of our children and grandchildren, they make their little gesheft close to the body. There are no hydrocarbons in Belarus, but they live modestly but with dignity. Do not be ashamed to talk about the great achievement of our economy, life for gas. Miller! Drink the sea. Then select mat.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 29 March 2014 13: 20
      0
      Quote: Cossacks
      . Do not be ashamed to talk about the great achievement of our economy, life for gas.

      Gas (both oil and metals), in the foreseeable future, will always occupy a significant part of Russia's GDP, even with a worthy development of high-tech industries, simply because it is extracted a lot here and the world needs it.
      And in order to sell it, you need to do a lot: build thousands of kilometers of pipelines, LNG plants, introduce efficient production technologies, protect your wealth with a strong army, otherwise more "advanced nations" will kick in the ass.
      And about a bad, poor life, do not be too lame. Especially sitting in an expensive car in a traffic jam of the same "wheelbarrows".
      Yes, there are still many problems.
      But ... I decided on Avito to sell some practically new things (women's and children's clothes) and quite fashionable very cheaply. Nobody even called ... Here's your second hand!
      They live poorly, probably request , in every city of the shopping center there is a sea and you will not push through them. yes
  • upasika1918
    upasika1918 28 March 2014 15: 23
    +14
    Is the treasury empty? Well, okay. Europe is rich, and feed us. And who does not go that m ..... b.
    1. spech
      spech 28 March 2014 15: 49
      +1
      the pan-ataman has a dumb gold reserve wassat
  • Sigismund
    Sigismund 28 March 2014 15: 24
    +3
    ! "I will frostbite my ears, to spite my grandmother." You cannot say otherwise.
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 28 March 2014 15: 25
    +4
    the new government of the country admits that the treasury is empty, and Russia presents the unfortunate "neighbor" with huge sums for gas

    Well, that's right, again, these "" - intrigues to build!

    After we paid such a gigantic price for our freedom, we will pay for gas "...

    Well, let's say, for the Crimea, you rather paid BARDYK BANANYCH, this is him - say thank you!
    And the fact that they spent a "month on the" improvement "of the capital of Ukraine - Kiev, with the involvement of a particularly" patriotic "part of the population, is purely" merit " TEMPORARY Government.
    As it turned out, there was no need to SPEND especially for the "improvement", the consumable "materials" lay right there, under their feet, though they had to collect tires all over the world, but this is the same "free" people, they gave them in return. Yes, we must give "tribute", GAYROPA, "threw cookies" at the "picnic" ...
    So - not very "expensive", the chiefs did not "shake" their pockets, on the contrary, the USA "poured" them into their pockets, so to speak - FOR "GOOD" work!
  • Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 28 March 2014 15: 26
    +14
    To deport from Russia all the girls with Ukrainian citizenship home .... And let them teach the Rada how to co-exist with Russia for money. Maybe the economy will rise.
    1. Sma11
      Sma11 28 March 2014 16: 24
      +4
      Rude but sure good
      1. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf 28 March 2014 17: 10
        +1
        Sma11
        Rude but sure

        Greetings namesake!
        I agree! But so always - when briefly and accurately - it is always rude.
        And softer and softer, this is only acceptable for a minor minor Europe.
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  • kelevra
    kelevra 28 March 2014 15: 27
    +5
    Well, what nonsense. The USA wants to tear Ukraine away from our gas boobs so that the meager billions that we receive from Ukraine in payment do not go to us! The USA just wants to discourage another buyer from our products, the fact that Ukraine will be proud to For example, a couple of years, buying raw materials much more expensive in Europe, and then it wants to take it from Russia again, but Moscow may not go for it, it will get into the hands of the United States and do not care about the needs of Ukraine. Russia to fuck up! Ukraine again wants to roll on the "bolt" for the far-reaching ambitions of the West and Europe, but they still drive to Russia! Really a war must happen so that the Ukrainians finally understand who their friend is!
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 28 March 2014 16: 27
      +1
      want to tear Ukraine from our gas boobs
      ...... well, as it were ... this, to put it more correctly ... gas usually comes from another place lolbut nenka sucked firmly and for a long time, yes, true
  • JVN
    JVN 28 March 2014 15: 31
    +4
    "in three years Russia will disintegrate due to its depleted economy"

    During this time, Russia will "grow fat" a little more
  • mamont5
    mamont5 28 March 2014 15: 34
    +4
    "so that no one in the future could ever blackmail a great nation with gas prices or gas supplies."
    "great people" - who is he talking about? Ukrainians or what?

    "The Ministry of Economy has developed a project of measures" 100 days - 100 steps of the government. "
    We had something similar - a project of Yavlinsky 100 days. I don’t want to remember how it ended.
    1. family tree
      family tree 28 March 2014 16: 59
      +2
      Quote: mamont5
      We had something similar - a project of Yavlinsky 100 days. I don’t want to remember how it ended.

      Yes Yavlinsky, in comparison with them, the top of realistic pragmatism. Firstly, 500 days, and secondly, the powerful, not ruined industry of the USSR. laughing
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 28 March 2014 17: 52
        +1
        Quote: perepilka
        Firstly, 500 days, and secondly, the powerful, not ruined industry of the USSR.

        And the program was not the worst, it was even real ... Maybe 650 days ...
        hi
    2. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 28 March 2014 17: 20
      0
      He was "more modest" - 600 days - "and you will ..."
    3. serge siberian
      serge siberian 28 March 2014 20: 09
      +1
      Quote: mamont5
      The Ministry of Economy has developed a project of measures "100 days - 100 steps of the government."
      We had something similar - a project of Yavlinsky 100 days. I don’t want to remember how it ended.

      1n’t 100 a500 2n’t touch Grisha and they screwed him up so poorly. A competent and honest guy. Would have taken up his program and maybe the emirates had finances. And there would have been less crooks.
  • Pavellio
    Pavellio 28 March 2014 15: 36
    +2
    Insanity grows stronger, and schiz mows their ranks.
  • GRune
    GRune 28 March 2014 15: 36
    +4
    "Russian manufacturers began to apply for the assignment of the barcode of Ukraine to their goods due to the fact that domestic buyers began to increasingly ignore Russian products."

    Enemies are everywhere! They never doze off! Watch yourself Svidomo be careful, not a gram of M.O.S.K.A.L.L.S.K.O.G.O. in the mouth!
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 28 March 2014 15: 36
    +4
    ya.seliwerstov2013 SU
    Yes, they are just sick !!!

    Probably in their brains, they have already been "vaccinated" in the form of a / M / E / P / s chips, so they THINK how "impulses" from the USA affect them!
  • Signaller
    Signaller 28 March 2014 15: 39
    +3
    So this is a national trait. Do not eat, so I nibble. No one will get it.
  • TBM
    TBM 28 March 2014 15: 41
    +3
    And also from Kalashnikov assault rifles, dryers and twigs and air defense systems
  • aleks700
    aleks700 28 March 2014 15: 47
    +4
    Anyway, I have more fat reserves than in Ukraine.
  • hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 28 March 2014 15: 48
    +3
    “Economic patriotism,” as the Ukrainian media put it, rallied ordinary Ukrainians. They decided to independently conduct a war against the enemy economy, declaring a boycott of goods of Russian origin, the proceeds of which will be used by Russia to acquire "tanks, armored personnel carriers, and weapons." As the publication ubr.ru notes, in the supermarkets of Kiev there was even an action "Not a penny to the invaders", "Russian bought - paid for the war."


    That Europeans and Americans will be delighted. What you need. As a result, we do not buy Ukrainian. Ukraine does not buy Russian. Everyone buys European and American with a complete economic downturn in Ukraine and Russia.
    For the sake of this, everything was started.
  • Sour
    Sour 28 March 2014 15: 49
    +4
    The stupid raguli still do not realize that Russia and Ukraine are in different weight categories. Understanding this is given to them with difficulty. If Ukraine will boycott Russian goods, then this is not even a mosquito bite. It is much less. But if Russia will boycott Ukrainian goods, then this is not even a knockout blow. This is much more.
    Interestingly, Ukraine will also boycott Russian oil products? Or do they still believe, according to Soviet habit, that oil is God's grace?
  • Monk
    Monk 28 March 2014 15: 52
    +3
    Even with the brainwashing, the human mind has not been canceled. I propose to wait and see how the brains washed out over 20 years of "independence" will melt from hunger, so that immunity is developed for centuries, that we must not forget about our history, about the troubles and victories of our people.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 28 March 2014 16: 59
      0
      Quote: Monk
      I propose to wait and see how the brains washed out in 20 years of "independence" will melt from hunger, so that immunity is developed for centuries, that we must not forget about our history, about the troubles and victories of our people.

      Eastern Europe is already beginning to see its light, the West has money only for Poland, but Ukraine is not Poland.
  • pogis
    pogis 28 March 2014 15: 54
    +1
    Quote: mirag2
    I would venture to draw a stream of cons: what, have we already gotten everything up?
    It has risen in price, and with the money we have a pipe-on Sochi 50bn, and here SUCH expenses-Crimea will not cost 3bn, but the money that we will lose because of the policy towards Russia — but this inevitable evil will begin sooner- the sooner it ends.
    And we have already taken a loan from the IMF — the largest ever 6.9bn (literally the other day).

    Link to the studio, Google only gives Ukraine, are you dill?
  • delfinN
    delfinN 28 March 2014 15: 55
    +5
    "If 90% of Ukrainians do not buy Russian goods, then Russia will lose another 12 billion dollars."
    It is no good for the ancestors of mankind to stoop to some sort of ... goods.
  • La xnumx
    La xnumx 28 March 2014 15: 56
    +2
    Liberasty will not quit! laughing Crimea is Russia! Everything else is secondary. Liberast, change your apartment for a dorm room, because you have to pay less! And then even get to the trash, it will be very cheap! good
  • pogis
    pogis 28 March 2014 15: 56
    +2
    former US ambassador to Ukraine Carlos Pascual said that before the 2020 year, Ukraine could become independent of Russian gas supplies.
    those. through 6 years, but what did we have 6 years ago? Oh! 08.08.08.!
  • Altona
    Altona 28 March 2014 15: 59
    +2
    He covered the article ... In general, it’s incorrect to consider Ukrainian pennies in comparison with Russian capabilities, which the Medved government cannot use ... If we go bankrupt by some time, before this the Moon will fall into the Pacific Ocean, America will eat its last hamburger, and Europe and Asia will be one, and the difference between these events will be 50 years in our favor ...
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 28 March 2014 17: 02
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      In general, it is incorrect to consider Ukrainian pennies in comparison with Russian capabilities, which the Medved government does not know how to use ...

      And what's wrong? There are plenty of natural resources in Ukraine, there are enough people, the climate is much better than the Russian one, what prevents? But politics is in the way, politics is killing the economy, but what does it have to do with it?
      1. Altona
        Altona 28 March 2014 19: 29
        0
        Quote: Setrac
        And what's wrong? There are plenty of natural resources in Ukraine, there are enough people, the climate is much better than the Russian one, what is in the way?

        -----------------------
        This is a mystery since 1991, when the Ukrainians were assured that they would literally rush into the future and immediately become the second Hvrance, only much better ...
  • Coffee_time
    Coffee_time 28 March 2014 15: 59
    +1
    Yes, after such speeches h.r.e. not for you, not SMS. The people will now be smarter than
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 28 March 2014 16: 01
    +10
    And why should the Ukrainians worry about some empty treasury, because they have:
  • aud13
    aud13 28 March 2014 16: 03
    +4
    [quote] According to UNIAN, special envoy and coordinator of the US State Department for International Energy, former US Ambassador to Ukraine Carlos Pascual said that by 2020 Ukraine can become independent of Russian gas supplies. This is quite realistic if, according to the former US ambassador, production increases "from existing wells and from new fields, which could bring an additional 12 billion cubic meters per year, and if Ukraine has the opportunity to develop plans for (reverse) energy supplies from the West ". [quote]

    1. Kipish
      Kipish 28 March 2014 16: 44
      +2
      it remains only to starve to death until 2020
  • mamont5
    mamont5 28 March 2014 16: 13
    0
    Nevertheless, they decided to transfer military equipment taken in Crimea to Ukraine. Well, this was to be expected.
    "At a meeting with senior officers on the occasion of their appointment to new posts and the conferment of military ranks, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu to begin transferring weapons and military equipment to Ukraine from units in Crimea that refused to side with Russia."
    http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/3/28/679454.html
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    3. Setrac
      Setrac 28 March 2014 17: 04
      0
      Quote: mamont5
      "At a meeting with senior officers on the occasion of their appointment to new posts and the conferment of military ranks, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu to begin transferring weapons and military equipment to Ukraine from units in Crimea that refused to side with Russia."

      What's this? Reluctance - do recycling?
      1. Sma11
        Sma11 28 March 2014 17: 35
        0
        What's this? Reluctance - do recycling?

        And then! We have enough of this scrap metal in Siberia. After the withdrawal of troops from the Warsaw Pact countries.
        1. serge siberian
          serge siberian 28 March 2014 20: 23
          +1
          Quote: Sma11
          And then! We have enough of this scrap metal in Siberia. After the withdrawal of troops from the Warsaw Pact countries

          after the Second World War, they were put on conservation; armor and ambulance trains, and other weapons (if they weren’t sold to the PRC or sold to metal). In Chechnya, for example, the fighters themselves made such equipment manually.
  • zennon
    zennon 28 March 2014 16: 15
    +7
    As you wish, but my stupidity, coupled with the arrogance of "our brothers", to hell with them, begins to tire! And what are they bragging about?
    "Now we have a GDP of $ 3,6 thousand per capita. This is not enough. I said that in 5 years we can reach $ 10 thousand. That is, in fact, we are talking about a 2,7-fold growth. And this is not fantasy. ", - the Ukrainian media quoted the minister.

    Russia has a GDP per capita of $ 14037.
    in the supermarkets of Kiev there was even an action "Not a penny for the occupants", "I bought Russian - I paid for the war."

    As you wish, and I am starting an individual boycott of "independent" goods. Join!
    Especially touches the Prime Minister of Poland Donald Tusk, darling:
    at a meeting of the national council of the Civic Platform party, said that an Energy Union is being formed in the European Union, of which Ukraine should become a part, "so that no one could ever in the future blackmail a great nation with gas prices or gas supplies."

    Let me remind you that the glorious representatives of the "great people" swallowed into the Russian from 80 to 130 Poles, this is only in the Volyn massacre. And the evil and satrap Stalin on behalf of the Russian people gave the pshek a huge piece of German land, similar in size to the GDR. 000 Germans from their homes. As a result, Ukrainians are "great people", and Russians are "treacherous conquerors." True, we must admit that we have such collaborators tongue :
    1. Mercenary
      Mercenary 28 March 2014 17: 57
      +2
      Madame, no one will take it from you. sleep well.
  • Not served
    Not served 28 March 2014 16: 19
    +1
    To the list of enterprises directly related exclusively to the Russian market.
    - Lugansk diesel locomotive plant is the property of Russian Railways. Until I bought it, Russian Railways was out of work. Now again, she will be left without work, and a city with an army of non-working people.

    In 2001, he talked with one Ukrainians from our north who returned home to work. He was my predecessor in the enterprise. So he was sent to the city of Drohobych at the local chisel factory. It at that moment was bought by Volgoburmash. Debts on salary amounted to 8-9 months. So what these invaders did, they treacherously paid their debts with the workers and forced them to work for their vile money! And it was 2001, oil cost in the range of 2-3 thousand rubles a ton. Quotes Urals 23 dollars seems to have been.
    But the bits are bad by the way ...
  • Retvizan
    Retvizan 28 March 2014 16: 24
    +7
    The thing is that in the Ukrainian resources everything, excuse me, cjsc, is the hope of the Ukrainians for the speedy collapse of Russia. Those who are trying to explain that such articles are nonsense - Moscow hirelings. There is no logic at all. Everyone is waiting for oil at $ 25 and that would be bad in Russia. The fact that horror is no longer on the doorstep, but in the upper room, no one sees. I'm waiting for the peremogi. The hryvnia fell to 11,50, but this is all nonsense, the ruble has grown by 2 kopecks - flows of bile and forecasts: "before the fall, the currency always grows" Collective psychosis is the main feature of Ukrainian resources. We do not want to see the collapse of Ukraine, we wish the fall of Russia.
    And especially pleasing are the statements: "It is better to lie under Europe than to be with Russia." To a logical question - do you imagine your independent Ukraine at all? Only under someone? - screams about the invaders. Home strategists, of course, but they flood the internet with opinion.
    1. Mercenary
      Mercenary 28 March 2014 17: 53
      +2
      All independence in choosing a partner for whom to lie. Yes Maidan was simply not bypassed. Freedom is a choice. True, where does independence come from?
  • Leshka
    Leshka 28 March 2014 16: 27
    0
    this information war will not bring them to good
  • Not served
    Not served 28 March 2014 16: 28
    +2
    in the supermarkets of Kiev there was even an action "Not a penny for the occupants", "I bought Russian - I paid for the war."


    Start with gasoline and DT bully
    And walk or bike, comrades hi
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  • alexander 2
    alexander 2 28 March 2014 16: 31
    +3
    However, the other day, disturbing news leaked to the Ukrainian media: Russian manufacturers began to disguise their goods as Ukrainian.
    So you don’t need to buy Ukrainian. And then suddenly it's a disguised Russian!
  • def89
    def89 28 March 2014 16: 32
    0
    Quote: vaf
    Quote: skeptic
    ... I hope you don’t need to explain that after that, NATO would immediately be located in Crimea. And this is blocking for Russia not only the Black Sea, but also the Azov Sea, not to mention the mortal threat due to the deployment of offensive weapons close to the South of Russia. What economic, political catastrophes it turned into, you shouldn't even go to the "grandmother"


    I strongly recommend that you study .. or at least see the GEOGRAPHIC location of the ports of Ukraine on the Black and Azov Seas.
    Therefore, who prevents NATE from doing what you write about even without Crimea lol

    Well .. "plugging" the Sea of ​​Azov is .... "strong" wassat Have you ever seen this .. "puddle" ???