What C-500 will look like

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The newest anti-aircraft missile system C-500 will be an effective response to the approach of the US missile defense system to the borders of Russia. Do you know how the C-500 advanced interspecific anti-aircraft missile system will look like?

What C-500 will look like


Frankly, no one from mere mortals knows this. All data is classified. One thing can be said for sure: the Russian Defense Ministry is creating a promising fifth-generation missile system.

Today, Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov told the journalists the following: "The prospective C-500 system will ensure the defeat of aerodynamic and ballistic targets of all types in the entire range of combat use heights."

Official data with technical characteristics in open sources on the latest rocket system is not yet available, but, having collected the information available on the Internet bit by bit, info-step.ru made this infographic:


C-500 is a new generation of anti-aircraft missile systems, which is supposed to apply the principle of separate solutions to the tasks of destroying ballistic and aerodynamic targets. C-500 is not an upgrade of the existing C-400 system, it is a completely new development.

In terms of its combat capabilities, this ZRS will significantly surpass the C-400 Triumph system in service and its foreign counterpart - the American THAAD. According to information from open sources, the C-500’s target detection range will be 200 kilometers more than C-400, i.e. approximately 800 kilometers.

As commander-in-chief of the Russian Air Force Viktor Bondarev said earlier, she will be able to accomplish the task of destroying operational-tactical missiles, medium-range missiles, as well as targets in near space. Experts express various assumptions about what technical characteristics this super-power and mysterious complex will possess. But everyone is sure that C-500 will significantly increase the power of the Russian aerospace defense.



The main objective of the complex is to combat the combat equipment of medium-range ballistic missiles, if necessary ICBMs at the final segment of the trajectory and within certain limits on the middle segment. These funds will provide cover for individual regions, large cities, industrial facilities and priority strategic objectives and will be able to destroy hypersonic cruise missiles, airplanes and UAVs, both conventional high-altitude and waverider-type (hypersonic missiles with a speed of 5 max and above).

"C-500" Triumphant-M, among other things, can hit hypersonic cruise missiles, whose cruising speed is 5500 kilometers per hour and above. This problem was not solved by previous generations of ground-to-surface missiles, and this system will be implemented for the first time. This requires the presence of an unusually powerful radar and a very well-developed digital computing technology. "

The system will be able to destroy low-orbit satellites and space weapons launched from hypersonic aircraft, impact hypersonic UAVs and orbital platforms.

The complex can also receive target designation from DRLO aircraft. Russia plans to acquire 10 divisions C-500. The divisions are fully mobile, launchers and other equipment located on large wheeled conveyors. PU, for example, are placed on powerful trucks with the wheel formula 10х10.



At the same time, it is especially important that the system developers exclude as much as possible the intervention of a human operator at all stages of detection, pre-launch operations and during the guidance phase. This implies the highest level of automation within this system.

EKR troops have high hopes for this promising air defense system. As was previously reported at the design office Almaz-Antey, the company developing the complex, in 2017-2018, C-500 will begin to enter the Russian army.

Based on:
http://www.arms-expo.ru/049057054048124049053054053056.html
http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikarm/211375-infografika-zrk-s-500.html
http://rus.ruvr.ru/2014_01_17/Kompleks-S-500-jeffektivnoe-oruzhie-protiv-krilatih-raket-6328/
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  1. +32
    27 March 2014 08: 48
    The author, I understand that due to the lack of information on C-500 it is difficult with illustrations, but to use any bullshit for hell?
    1. +11
      27 March 2014 10: 20
      These funds will provide cover for individual regions, large cities, industrial facilities and priority strategic goals.

      Surely, the first complexes will replace the S-400 in the Moscow region. Then it is advisable to cover our Yao mine installations, areas of patrolling of poplars and yars. It is necessary to spoil the mood of "our NATO friends" in their alleged intention of a disarming first strike. It is natural to promote other projects: BZHRK, recreate the "perimeter" system, etc.
      1. +6
        27 March 2014 13: 29
        They plan to purchase 10 divisions, so only Moscow and St. Petersburg will be enough to cover them. Well, maybe a couple more places.
        But other???
        1. beard999
          +4
          27 March 2014 16: 29
          Quote: Login_Off
          10 divisions plan to purchase

          10 divisions are only in the framework of GPV-2020. http://www.interfax.ru/print.asp?sec=1448&id=178798 The remaining purchases will go on GPV-2025.
        2. +2
          12 December 2015 07: 20
          And the rest when the S700 will appear in Moscow and St. Petersburg.
      2. +4
        27 March 2014 14: 15
        Quote: elmi
        Surely the first complexes will replace the C-400 in the suburbs.

        What for?
        The Moscow region (and the Central Administrative District) is already heavily covered by the C400 and A35.
        C500 will be put where everything is not very good from the point of view of air defense and missile defense.

        And the Moscow region is m. by retrofitting the C400 to the C500 parameters with new components, such as an ultra-long missile 40Н6 missile
        C500 allows you to cover larger spaces than C400, due to this they are required at times less than would have been set C400 ...
        1. 0
          14 May 2014 06: 59
          it would be nice if 40n6 and 9m96 were in service, but so far it's only a dream
      3. +13
        27 March 2014 15: 16
        In the suburbs, and so many S-300 and S-400. IMHO Moscow is well protected. The S-500 needs to be thrown to Siberia and to us in the Far East, because there are so many territories that are not covered by anything.
    2. +5
      27 March 2014 14: 00
      Quote: Nayhas
      on horseradish use any nonsense?

      Here are the data available on the C-500 system
      on militaryrussia.ru

      completely - http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-373.html

      Long-range anti-aircraft missile system / anti-aircraft missile system of air defense and missile defense. The system is being developed by the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern GSKB. In 2002, NPO Almaz prepared an engineering note on the creation of a 5th generation air defense missile system, and outlined the main performance characteristics of the system. The design of the air defense missile system began in 2003. In 2004, preliminary design of the S-500 air defense system began. In 2005, NPO Almaz, within the framework of the State Defense Order for 2005, carried out work on a component part of the research work "Vlastin" and work on the research work "Samoderzhets-AA".

      In 2006, by the decision of the Scientific and Technical Council of the Military Industrial Complex under the Russian Council of Ministers and the Board of Directors of the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern, it was proposed to appoint the Air Defense Concern GSKB as the lead one for the development of the 5th generation air defense missile system. On February 27, 2007, the NTS VPK under the Government of Russia approved GSKB as the lead developer of the Unified Anti-Aircraft Missile Weapon System, which includes the S-500 air defense system as one of the components.

      In 2008, the 4th stage of research work "Vlastin-TP" is being carried out, work is underway on the preliminary design of the product 97L6 of the research work "Vlastin-TP". In 2009, the development of the S-500 air defense system was announced in the media, and the development of working design documentation for the S-500 air defense system is underway. In July 2009, the media reported on readiness for testing the 40N6 missile defense system, which will presumably be included in the ultra-long-range echelon of the S-500 air defense system. Also in 2009, there were unconfirmed reports about the beginning of military tests of 40N6 missiles.

      The name of the S-500 missile defense system "Prometheus" was first mentioned in the media in April 2012. Perhaps it does not correspond to reality. Also in April 2012, there was information about the planned start of construction in Nizhny Novgorod in 2012 of the Almaz-Antey air defense concern for the production of components of the S-500 missile defense system. The construction of the plant is expected to be completed in 2015, and the production of the S-500 systems is planned to begin in 2014-2015. (East - Mikhalev A.)


      Missiles S-500:
      Missile defense systems can be called 77Н6-Н and 77Н6-Н1
      Target detection range by means of air defense systems - 600-750 km
      Long-range range:
      - 200 km / 600 km (source - A. Mikhalev)
      - to 500 km (source)
      Height of defeat by means of extra long echelon - up to 100 km


      The 77P6 launcher on the BAZ-69096 chassis from the S-500 air defense system (processed drawing from a poster showing armored vehicles in Bronnitsy, 10.06.2011, reproduction - Muxel, http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/mx118).
    3. +4
      27 March 2014 20: 36
      [quote = Nayhas] The author, I understand that due to the lack of information on the S-500 it is difficult with illustrations, but to use any bullshit for hell? [/ quote hi Eugene, this system is Malevich's "black square" ... everyone knows what it is, and what it is, no one knows! (And God forbid they will not know)
    4. Gerach
      -1
      April 1 2014 20: 31
      So this is my drawing) I still back in 2009 from the MLRS Tornado made photoshop fake on the S-500 and threw it on the site Gun)))
    5. +1
      24 December 2016 10: 35
      And I ... and I .... and I have the same opinion!
      1. +1
        24 December 2016 10: 39
        The author, I understand that due to the lack of information on C-500 it is difficult with illustrations, but to use any bullshit for hell?
  2. buser
    +35
    27 March 2014 08: 49
    it doesn’t matter how the S-500 looks, but it’s important how it will shoot !!!
    1. -6
      27 March 2014 09: 29
      If the S-500 is imprisoned for the destruction of warheads, then can it make it stationary?
      1. +16
        27 March 2014 10: 22
        Quote: Jurkovs
        If the S-500 is imprisoned for the destruction of warheads, then can it make it stationary?

        What for? Stationarity implies the presence of any capital structures, in the case of missile defense, these are underground mines and KP. Previously, this was true in connection with the bulkiness of the entire system, but now it all fits on semi-trailers and there is no more sense in capital buildings.
        1. +1
          27 March 2014 16: 11
          Quote: Nayhas
          now all this fits on semitrailers and there is no more sense in capital buildings.

          Stationary missile defense systems are more quickly put on alert. More resistant against saboteurs (potentially). Which is correspondingly more preferable in case of sudden "no war" attacks.
          Quote: AVV
          Stationary is easier to detect from space and faster to destroy !!!

          Mobile, have "stationary" parts of the registration, places of combat duty. That, with an unexpected and massive attack, does not give them any advantage over stationary ones.
          Russia’s military budget is not like that of the United States, which would be massively stocked up with fixed missile defense systems. But to abandon them completely, is also not very reasonable and cherevato. They are needed at least to protect critical strategic facilities, where reaction time and security are important - the mobile complex, of course, can run away during an attack in the forest and guerrilla, only this, in the wake of it, cannot be done by the state district power station dam or seaport.
        2. 0
          24 December 2016 10: 21
          I completely agree, especially mobility is a good thing and allows, especially with small resources, to migrate the potential to where it is needed.
      2. AVV
        +16
        27 March 2014 10: 33
        Quote: Jurkovs
        If the S-500 is imprisoned for the destruction of warheads, then can it make it stationary?

        It’s easier to detect a stationary one from space and destroy it faster !!! And stationary means will be located on ships !!! Our answer is to American systems with interceptors !!!
        1. +3
          27 March 2014 14: 32
          Quote: AVV
          Stationary is easier to detect from space and faster to destroy !!!

          ... and with all this, the mobile can be controlled and create a concentration of forces and means in threatened areas.

          One of the drawbacks of the "Berkut C25" air defense system of Moscow was that it was stationary and all-round up to 1000 aircraft from all directions. And no one expected to attack the capital from all sides. If something happened, some regiments would not have time to intercept targets, and some would be inactive. Maneuver by means of stationary placement is excluded.
  3. +8
    27 March 2014 08: 49
    In this area of ​​weapons, we are traditionally doing well!
    1. PN
      +25
      27 March 2014 09: 36
      And three times over the left shoulder, so as not to jinx it. smile
  4. rolik
    +3
    27 March 2014 08: 57
    The pictures of the new system, of course, are a bit tight. But "Backpack" is definitely not in this line. The principle of influencing enemy l / a is completely different. And so, we are waiting, of course, it is interesting to see what ours say. Because in the field of air defense they have always been ahead of everyone.
  5. +5
    27 March 2014 09: 00
    Yes ... In the first picture, the Russian promising multiple launch rocket system "Tornado" and the S-500, it has little to do ...
    1. 0
      27 March 2014 12: 46
      more precisely, the photographed Tornado-S.
  6. +4
    27 March 2014 09: 39
    Official data with technical characteristics in open sources on the latest rocket system is not yet available, but, having collected the information available on the Internet bit by bit, info-step.ru made this infographic:

    The data on the infographic is pick out from the nose, the data on Patriot especially. If the S-500 is a missile defense system, then it is necessary to compare it with THAAD, in Patriot the missile defense capability is only possible from tactical missiles.
    Now in the network there is more debate on the basis of which SAM-S-500 will be. Further development of 48H6 or 9M82? But most converge on 9M82, there is even a picture
    1. +1
      27 March 2014 10: 08
      Quote: Nayhas
      But most converge on 9М82, even there is a picture

      this Soviet missile will probably survive any of us =)
    2. beard999
      +5
      27 March 2014 17: 08
      Quote: Nayhas
      Now in the network there is more debate on the basis of which SAM-S-500 will be. Further development of 48H6 or 9M82? But most converge on 9M82

      And this is very strange. It has already been stated more than once that the type 77N6-N PR will be unified with the PR of the Amur missile defense system. The A-135 includes two PRs - atmospheric interception 51T6 developed by Fakel and atmospheric interception 53T6 / 53T6M, developed by Novator. Most likely, in this case, PRs of type 77N6-N will be the development of PRs from Amur, and not from the S-300V and S-400 air defense systems.
      Moreover, as you know, the S-500 system will consist of two missile defense and air defense systems that are independent of each other. Most likely, it is in the air defense complex, the S-500 system, that the 40N6M missile system will be used. And the development of 9M82 missiles is likely to end on the 9M82MV modification designed for the S-300V4.
  7. -1
    27 March 2014 09: 55
    Here’s another such picture, allegedly S-500
    1. +10
      27 March 2014 10: 19
      Quote: ZU-23
      Here’s another such picture, allegedly S-500

      This is an S-300V military air defense system
      1. 0
        27 March 2014 11: 29
        Quote: Nayhas
        This is an S-300V military air defense system

        I don’t argue, but under it was just an article about the S-500, and I generally got used to seeing the S-300 with four missiles. smile
        1. +1
          27 March 2014 12: 05
          Quote: ZU-23
          I don’t argue, but under it was just an article about the S-500, and I generally got used to seeing the S-300 with four missiles.

          It is believed that the 77N6 SAM for the S-500 is created on the basis of 9M82 from the S-300V complex and therefore they attach the S-300V photo. It is very doubtful that the complex will be located on a tracked chassis, there is no point in this. Most likely it will be something like S-400 with TPK from S-300V.
        2. +3
          27 March 2014 15: 03
          Quote: ZU-23
          and I’m used to seeing S-300s with four missiles.

          there are two types of launchers, 9A82 - with two 9M82 missiles and 9A83 - with four 9M83 missiles ...

  8. +17
    27 March 2014 10: 00
    Conversations, conversations ... How it will look. Yes, like a drum. If only it would fit the declared characteristics and would not be in a single copy.
  9. Voenruk
    0
    27 March 2014 10: 04
    Yes, with the near space it is necessary to resolve the issue. American IHIS knocks satellites out of orbit.
    1. +5
      27 March 2014 17: 38
      once according to known coordinates and flight paths. I am sure that we also secured ourselves with the help of some AWACS or something like that. so no indicator. The main thing is that their ballistic missiles with a nuclear part are not equipped with promising means of overcoming missile defense. Those. intercepting them is much easier than our missiles. This is if we take into account that these missiles will take off altogether)). Recent inspections have revealed sufficient problems in the strategic nuclear forces. So, in fact, the worst thing about them is the nuclear submarines. behind them, in fact, they need an eye and an eye.
  10. +7
    27 March 2014 10: 14
    Yes, at least C 400 saturate, C 500 is still the goal, it pulls and other work.
  11. 1712
    +2
    27 March 2014 10: 38
    "What technical characteristics will this superpowerful and mysterious complex have? But everyone is sure that the S-500 will significantly increase the power of the Russian aerospace defense." MAIN.
  12. Owl
    +5
    27 March 2014 10: 57
    crazy photo at the beginning of the article, such a computer sketch is only relevant on April 1
    1. 0
      30 March 2014 22: 45
      It should be so ... Delirium must be here because it is mixed with useful information. Why should the "adversaries" know everything at once? wassat Let him choose from us, sift through the information, spend on confirmation, suspect ... That's why "the most democratic INTERNET in the world": 50% of one hundred percent delirium and from the rest you need to choose bit by bit.
  13. +7
    27 March 2014 11: 04
    Thank you Russian engineers from a simple Russian person hi
  14. +2
    27 March 2014 11: 14
    We are looking forward to it! The potential of the S-500 is huge, well, it’s 15-20 years, as was customary in the interim Union! Good luck to the developers!
  15. Gagarin
    +19
    27 March 2014 11: 42
    As I understand it, with the dynamics of recent events, the S-600 will be created not in the Russian Federation but in the Russian Empire ?!
    1. +3
      27 March 2014 13: 23
      God forbid. We all hope so.
    2. 0
      30 March 2014 22: 48
      Only to cover the entire Globe of Ukraine from massed air raids wassat
  16. +3
    27 March 2014 13: 18
    Quote: Voenruk
    Yes, with the near space it is necessary to resolve the issue. American IHIS knocks satellites out of orbit.

    IJIS was hit by a satellite on which the special was. lighthouse (plus they prepared for this for a long time and died out the trajectory carefully)! It's like waving an orange flag in front of a shooter and shouting to him - I'm here. The American missile defense works in the same way, they do everything through one place. In general, the Yankees will soon have no nuclear forces as such. No one wants to invest in them; this is neither the 60s-80s for you.
    Therefore, Russia is doing better and better. since with us all this is controlled by one person of GDP. But in gaming, everything is under the control of their oligarchs and they are not very good at investing in something that will not bring income. That fleet and aviation can destroy almost any third country and take their economies and oil into their hands, this is profit and income. Who believes that Russia suddenly wants to attack the United States, yes, funny, kindergarten. I think overseas oligarchs are not fools, they will not throw money down the drain.
    1. 0
      24 December 2016 10: 48
      I think if Russia wants to eat in the USA, then it will be like with Crimea, that's why they got hysterical.
  17. +15
    27 March 2014 13: 33
    The enemy is also on the alert ..
    1. +1
      27 March 2014 15: 20
      Quote: uzer 13
      The enemy is also on the alert ..

      This is the Mk 29 PU with RIM-162 ESSM ...
    2. +1
      27 March 2014 16: 24
      In Greenland, Finland,
      Uganda and Lapland,
      You’ll be told that it’s more resourceful,
      There is no more resourceful, inventive Munchausen ... Smiled.
    3. 0
      27 March 2014 19: 16
      Is it that the Americans are sending spies like that.? laughing
    4. 0
      28 March 2014 01: 58
      Quote: uzer 13
      The enemy is also on the alert ..

      New promising means of delivery (sabotage throws belay ) manpower of US troops, on the territory of a potential enemy, called "Munchausen." laughing
      1. MBA78
        +1
        28 March 2014 11: 30
        Batman interceptors
    5. 0
      April 1 2014 23: 14
      Quote: uzer 13
      The enemy is also on the alert ..

      wassat This is Superman with Batman on alert soldier
  18. 0
    27 March 2014 13: 39
    Still, we would have large and many carriers of all kinds of missiles there that would cope with their AUGs and in fact no one would stick to us
  19. Leshka
    0
    27 March 2014 16: 30
    this thing belay quiver aperica we go soldier
    1. 0
      27 March 2014 23: 05
      the matter is that the aperica will soon invite the Russian Armed Forces to be present on its mainland - they have a lot of nuclear weapons, and there is less and less order - they will soon have to guard so that the hooligans do not pull them away.
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  20. +3
    27 March 2014 21: 20
    As always, designers are on top !!! If only industry did not fail, they have lost too much over the past 20 years. After Mishka and Borka, everything is not restored as quickly as we would like.
  21. A_fill
    0
    27 March 2014 21: 48
    I already wrote in another topic that I’m working on the construction of an S-500 factory in N. Novgorod. The figure shows very, very similar car installations that I saw on the territory of the plant on February 23. They drove through the territory .... where they were persecuted, but not known. So truth and fiction are somewhere very close.
  22. +1
    27 March 2014 22: 26
    But I personally do not care how the system will look. Will you marry her? The end result is important - downed enemies.
  23. 0
    27 March 2014 23: 02
    The main principle should not be "cover the area", but "catch at the starting point".
    1. +1
      30 March 2014 22: 53
      I propose to start by learning from the beginning to at least get the moon out of the sky and put it back when there is no longer a need for it! Only Merlin knew how to "catch at the starting point" last time, after his death the secret was lost forever!
  24. 0
    27 March 2014 23: 17
    Quote: Login_Off
    They plan to purchase 10 divisions, so only Moscow and St. Petersburg will be enough to cover them. Well, maybe a couple more places.
    But other???



    10 divisions, of course not enough. HERE 10 REGULATIONS - I UNDERSTAND IT.
  25. 0
    28 March 2014 00: 07
    Complete nonsense, not an article! How can an air defense system be a RESPONSE to a missile defense system? Is the author completely stupefied? Or patriotic frenzy brain bruised?
  26. 0
    28 March 2014 04: 37
    Quote: I think so
    Complete nonsense, not an article! How can an air defense system be a RESPONSE to a missile defense system? Is the author completely stupefied? Or patriotic frenzy brain bruised?

    It seems that they wrote here that the system will consist of two components of air defense and missile defense.
  27. +1
    28 March 2014 12: 12
    Quote: Nayhas
    ...
    Now in the network there is more debate on the basis of which SAM-S-500 will be. Further development of 48H6 or 9M82? But most converge on 9M82, there is even a picture

    There are no 9M82 and 48H6 in this picture. There is:
    3М22
    77N6-N
    77N6-H1
    40N6M
    9M96Y
    9М100

    Where did you see this rocket?
    Quote: Nayhas
    ...
    The author, I understand that due to the lack of information on C-500 it is difficult with illustrations, but to use any bullshit for hell?

    laughing You should take more care of yourself and be more self-critical.
    feel
  28. 0
    28 March 2014 12: 20
    Quote: I think so
    Complete nonsense, not an article! How can an air defense system be a RESPONSE to a missile defense system? Is the author completely stupefied? Or patriotic frenzy brain bruised?

    Excuse me, why did you decide that the article says that it is an air defense system, that it is an ANSWER, that it is an answer to the missile defense system (by the way, what kind of missile defense system did you mean?)?
    Are you okay with brain burn and brain? Not quite stupefied?
  29. +3
    28 March 2014 21: 21
    bullied - Moscow region Moscow region! that other regions are not important or something.
    industry needs to be covered, and this is the Urals, Siberia, and the Far East! All the "Highest Faces" will paint on time do not worry! Previously, not only Moscow was covered, but all industrial facilities. You need to restore air defense in ALL regions. It goes without saying that this is very difficult and costly, BUT! Moscow is more or less covered, and the industrial regions?
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  30. Vita_vko
    0
    29 March 2014 06: 51
    There were hopes that the S-500 would lay down new principles for combined guidance with a minimum radiation time, something similar to Yakhont missiles.
  31. +4
    30 March 2014 04: 09
    good night ... since 500 these are land-based systems ... but now the defense industry is more heavily reliant on the fleet and aviation ... hence, I think the conclusion is that, in parallel with equipping important facilities on land, the sea version of these systems will also be supplied ... therefore, to say that 10 divisions to begin with is a little premature, as, apparently, new ships will be equipped in parallel, which will upset our "NATO friends" much more ... after all, they praise their eagles in every way ... so let's see now what is hu) ... well, about poplars and yars ... soon these systems will be replaced by new ones and the needles can be written off for professional suitability)
  32. 0
    31 March 2014 15: 32
    The most important thing for us is to ensure reliable detection and tracking of targets along the entire length of our border, preferably with maximum overlap. That is, long-distance Voronezh, then the middle-tier station and the near. Plus aircraft AWACS, large and small. Well and accordingly we expose echelons of missile defense.
  33. Partizan
    0
    April 12 2014 20: 03
    Quote: Login_Off
    They plan to purchase 10 divisions, so only Moscow and St. Petersburg will be enough to cover them. Well, maybe a couple more places.
    But other???

    Well, what is the main thing for the government to cover itself, its place of residence, to shit on the rest, less people - more oxygen.
  34. +1
    April 20 2014 18: 37
    It is always necessary to negate all efforts in the military developments of our well-wishers. So that it was simply useless to conceive something ...
  35. kot007
    +2
    April 30 2014 06: 54
    The main thing is that everyone should be done on time
  36. +1
    15 May 2014 17: 21
    Our weapons learned how to keep secrets ... The article is sucked out of the finger.
  37. +3
    26 May 2015 06: 34
    The official image of the S-500 from the diamond antey website
  38. +1
    24 December 2016 10: 47
    If only they decided on the "proper name" of the system (complex)! And then you will understand the roll! Here and "Autocrat", and "Triumphant-M", and "Prometheus"; in my opinion, even "Voevoda" bulo ....
  39. 0
    3 March 2017 08: 46
    The Israelites stole the container)