The cost of the problem fighter F-35 frozen

Pinotti commented on the report of Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi on the revision of military spending, including the budget of the F-35 program. A review of military spending could potentially save three billion euros for the military budget. The government may decide to cut the budget for the production of Lockheed Martin F-35 jet fighters, which now stands at roughly 11,8 billion euros per 45 years, starting in 2015. As Pinotti told about F-35, “today we have suspended payments by installments [...] Now a moratorium has been imposed until the results of the parliamentary investigation have been received”.

Previously, the suggestion that Italians would reduce the number of F-35 fighters to 45 units was perceived by many as erroneous. Some were convinced that the problems were minor and soon Italy would buy more 90 fighters.

Globalization is crumbling. Economies around the world are on the verge of bankruptcy. Everyone is in a quandary, and military spending is the first sacrificial lamb.

The first were the Netherlands, the second was Italy, and the third were likely to be prudent Canadians. But they will not be the last. The bit of reality will hit even the USAF and the F-35 order will be reduced.

Movement on the death spiral began.

Comments

[Curculum]

Damn, what a day for today? I’m gonna go brandy. (I know that Wednesday)

[jjj]

So slowly, slowly, individual horses begin to get tired. They still have not understood in the West that Russia has shaken off the old shackles of the arms race, has rested, looked around. And drove forward with a new harness. It will be hard for the West. So not far to hunger

[Cherdak]

Quote: jjj

So slowly, slowly

... and to the museum

[Gluxar_]

Quote: jjj

So slowly, slowly, individual horses begin to get tired. They still have not understood in the West that Russia has shaken off the old shackles of the arms race, has rested, looked around. And drove forward with a new harness. It will be hard for the West. So not far to hunger

It's not about the arms race, but about banal corruption. Americans in the 90s learned to sell their brands, but forgot how to make good technique. Hollywood's influence on the military-industrial complex was fatal.

[W1950]

Joy that amer began dark days?

[ShturmKGB]

Quote: Kurkul

Damn, what a day for today? I’m gonna go brandy. (I know that Wednesday)

Italians feel sorry?)

[major071]

If brandy interferes with the work, then yes, her nafig this work.
The West will show up slowly, the economies of most EU countries are scarce, against their background, Russia with a budget surplus generally looks like one of the most stable. But unfortunately, the ratings of countries are in the West and therefore, from their point of view, we have just begun to develop, and the EU and the USA are giants of the economy!
There is no cognac, so I will drink beer!

[Coffee_time]

How did dj tsvetkoff FLYING III

[Curculum]

Quote: major071

But unfortunately, the ratings of countries are in the West

And in this direction there are already the first glimpses: "MOSCOW, March 26 - Prime. First Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Igor Shuvalov said that Russia will not depend on international ratings, this work is currently being done by the Bank of Russia." - http://ria.ru/economy/20140326/1001107057.html#ixzz2x5EYBLkr

Quote: major071

There is no cognac, so I will drink beer!

Damn, in a white way I envy: it's been a month and a half in Dubai, I miss the "living Zhiguli" ...

[platitsyn70]

and with whom to fight.

Three members of the U.S. Secret Service, whose job was to guard President Obama during his visit to Holland this week, were sent home for misconduct.
According to the Washington Post, one of the guards on the eve of Obama's arrival in Amsterdam got drunk to the point that he could not get to his hotel room and fell asleep right in the lobby.

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: Kurkul

Damn, what a day for today? I’m gonna go brandy. (I know that Wednesday)

I join, and even though "don't say gop until you jumped" but I want to celebrate! And in general the tendency is good, even very !!!!!

[TUNISIA]

Obama is our man! Only now conspiracy is sometimes very skillfully and competently. Well: you won’t drink the experience, as they say, the KGB school is a very harsh school.

[alex-s]

Give MiGs and Dryers!

[supertiger21]

Quote: alex-s

Give MiGs and Dryers!

Yeah))) That the Italians immediately sent them overseas ...

[Lissyara]

One news is better than another. Then the Tomahawks are in expense, now the planes. We look forward to news about submarines

[Pilat2009]

Quote: LiSSyara

Then the Tomahawks are in expense, now the planes.

The park will have to be loved by the beloved. Not so in 10 years. Although in 10 years another plane will appear

[Gluxar_]

Quote: LiSSyara

One news is better than another. Then the Tomahawks are in expense, now the planes. We look forward to news about submarines

It is better to wait for news about how they will repay their debts, rather than reduce costs. It will be much funnier.

[johnsnz]

This congressmen with the sanctions snatch. Rake - they are also a rake in America

[Stiletto]

Quote: johnsnz

One news is better than another. Then the Tomahawks are in expense, now the planes. We look forward to news about submarines

So I think whether our colonel Abamkin is replaying? Not that the states with satellites need to be broken up - an axiom, but not so frankly something ...

[Wiruz]

- Well, what else can I write ?!

[Lone gunman]

Well, I also say, against whom is Italy going to fight ?! you'd better build bunkers - anything can happen ...

[Wiruz]

Against undemocratic Venetians, probably. In general, it’s just not worthless for a NATO member country not to fly on what they are going to fly in the states.

[inkass_98]

Quote: Wiruz

do not fly on what are going to fly in the states.

Apparently they decided to bet on their native M-346 - cheaply and cheerfully, just for flying over Italy and Venice, which is now hostile from now on.

[propolsky]

Give a trash bin for a stool with wings!

[Sashka_Gusar]

Goodbye America...

[Anuarkz]

Well, Italians are easy to understand if Americans are trying to sell them a pregnant cow under the guise of an ultra-modern fighter, and they are breaking some indecent money for it.

[Delink]

Yeah, if you don’t milk your ass, your hand will get tired.

[sinukvl]

Here is the pruha rolled. In the beginning there was news that the Americans were no longer buying Tomahawks, and now the expenses for the F-35 are frozen. What's next? Information that the Yankees' army will be reduced 2-3 times? And these beggars will consider themselves a Super Power! Self-conceit!

[ya.seliwerstov2013]

Volodya Putin stick to the legend, otherwise your Agent is on the verge of failure. Failed-Obama ......... Poetry damn it!

[Sledgehammer]

So if things go soon, the United States will have to arrange actions "Two for the price of one".

[Russ69]

Italy may have problems with Venice soon due to a desire for independence. And Venice is the main financial donor, so it's not up to F-35 ...

[Gagarin]

But the F-35 in the films was beautifully shot ... that will go down in history - THE MAIN FILM OF THE 5 GENERATION.

[0255]

Quote: Gagarin

But the F-35 in the films was beautifully shot ... that will go down in history - THE MAIN FILM OF THE 5 GENERATION.

The same can be said about f-22

[Cherdak]

Quote: Gagarin

MAIN FILM HERO 5 GENERATIONS.

The samples of the new generation of artists are ending ...

[Bort radist]

Tomogafki, F-35 how quickly the sanctions began to act, I don’t have time to read

[VNP1958PVN]

Order the SU-35, we ordered a Lada from you!

[0255]

Quote: VNP1958PVN

Order the SU-35, we ordered a Lada from you!

And the MiG-35, so that the RSK MIG had orders.

[supertiger21]

Quote: 0255

And the MiG-35, so that the RSK MIG had orders.

I agree! And it is desirable only MiG-35, for three reasons:
1) Slightly cut off Poghosyan’s ambitions.
2) The MiG is a light fighter, and it needs a rebirth.
3) Su-35 is too much for Italians, they do not need such an expensive toy.
The only problem is that Italians, like they did not buy Soviet / Russian fighters, will not buy.

[igor36]

Rather, they will choose Saab Gripen

[Coffee_time]

Ukraine threw a hedgehog to everyone, here is the beginning of uncontrollable chaos

[typhoon7]

Multi-mysterious and unforgettable F-35. It seems that overheating of the printing presses occurred in the west.

[Blackmokona]

And here, sensational headlines settle in full, I thought, generally the F-35, but it turned out to be just Italians. Slightly more than 1% of F-35 funding was frozen.

[Vtel]

Quote: BlackMokona

And here, sensational headlines settle in full, I thought, generally the F-35, but it turned out to be just Italians. Slightly more than 1% of F-35 funding was frozen.

A trifle, but nice. All the same, spaghetti can still kick, not everything atrophied.

[Aleksandr12]

If this goes well, then they will begin to write off F-22 due to = lack of details

[51064]

Over time, I think there will be a Russian multi-role fighter competing with the F-35, fully meeting the requirements for the 5th generation, unlike its competitor, and of course substantially cheaper.

[supertiger21]

Quote: 51064

fully meeting the requirements for the 5th generation, unlike the competitor, and of course significantly cheaper.

I agree with the first point, but not with the second. It is not very powerful and at the same time very cheap, unfortunately ...

[Ilotan]

Something I somehow am not very upset about this.

[mamont5]

Obama has completely abated. Soon, diapers will not be enough.
How then to fight?

[upasika1918]

I really hope that we have someone in Lefortovo who is greasy-hairy for an exchange for Obama.

[capex1]

They did not have to freeze expenses, but this whole flawed project. The Americans have forgotten the principle that if the aircraft is universal (attack aircraft, fighter, carrier-based fighter), then it is not able to perform its tasks individually perfectly. In the course of the project, they managed to outwit themselves with all their supercomputers, stealth technology, and so on. We have already managed to go this way (arms race) and what's the matter with us, but apparently our Western "partners" do not want to learn from the mistakes of others. Well, the wind in their back.

[Santa Fe]

The old barrel organ began

Quote: capex1

and this whole flawed project.

This is a prerequisite for such comments - immediately call F-35 flawed
Having no idea about this plane

Quote: capex1

if the aircraft is universal (attack aircraft, fighter, carrier-based fighter) then it is not able to perform its separate tasks perfectly well

Common misconception. Firstly, American light tactical fighters (F-84, F-16, F-35) have always performed the functions of attack aircraft and bombers

F-84, Korea

Secondly, the modern level of technology development allows you to create and not such masterpieces - for example, the Su-30MKI, the F-15E "Strike Eagle" or the F / A-18E.

They could have done it before. If there were competent aircraft designers - the same F-4 "Phantom" (emnip 7 world speed / climb / altitude records). Used as a bomber, tactical reconnaissance aircraft, high-altitude interceptor, radar hunter. Yes, and as a fighter, the conquest of superiority was not as bad as it is painted - which was not known for certain in Vietnam, and the Phantom turned out to be an invincible hero in the sky of Palestine.
Phantoms flew from the shore and decks of aircraft carriers. Still remain in service (60 years!)

Strong, versatile, reliable

Quote: capex1

managed to outwit themselves with all their supercomputers

Do you have something against modern avionics?
Do you want to fly only on the compass, altmometer, speedometer, variometer and horizon?

Quote: capex1

stealth technology

Actively introduced on domestic aviation and marine technology - do you want to say in vain?
Or will you poison the bike, how did the Russian KGB plant the Yankees with the obviously useless stealth idea?

Assembly line F-35

[supertiger21]

Oleg, I have another request for you, if I may. For a while, we have not read articles specifically about one aircraft (for example, the F-35) that you write perfectly. It’s just that such articles are of great interest to readers, especially to me. And about commentators I’m generally silent, after your articles like these, the comment counter jumps out for hundreds, and the branches are already divided into the 2nd and 3rd page. The fact is that you present the material well, laying out the detailed data and, most importantly, your opinion. Of course, sometimes I noticed some subjectivity in your articles, but in general you can objectively evaluate this or that type of weapon. I wouldn’t start this conversation, but in the whole VO site there are only a few article writers like you. Yes, and those units write very much rarely, so I am turning to you. It is up to you to write or not, but I only ask if it’s not difficult for you.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

what was in Vietnam is not known for certain

You can ask McCain.
With the F-35 there is no turning back, only forward. According to the plans, 3100 pcs., For the USA 2500, 600 foreign customers, plus or minus 10 pcs. Grand pianos will not play.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: saturn.mmm

You can ask McCain.

He was not shot down in aerial combat
Yes, and he did not pilot the Phantom but the Skyhawk attack aircraft

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

He was not shot down in aerial combat
Yes, and he did not pilot the Phantom but the Skyhawk attack aircraft

Some American authors claim that not a single F-4 was shot down in aerial combat in Vietnam. It is difficult to imagine how some kind of yellow-skinned narrow-eyed eyes could withstand the most developed civilization.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: saturn.mmm

F-4 was not shot down in air battles in Vietnam.

This is of course chasing

Quote: saturn.mmm

how some kind of yellow-skinned narrow-eyed could resist the most developed civilization.

According to Kosygin, the volume of Soviet military assistance to Vietnam amounted to 1,5 million rubles per day

70 C-75 divisions, 7500 missiles - as long as Soviet transports with weapons were unloaded in Kamp, the war resembled the battle of Ivan Tsarevich with a three-headed snake.

Finally, do not overestimate Vietnam - in the case of such a task, the Yankees could win in a week by simply obliterating the northern part of the country from the face of the earth (sarin, VX, tactical nuclear weapons)

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

70 C-75 divisions, 7500 missiles - as long as Soviet transports with weapons were unloaded in Kamp, the war resembled the battle of Ivan Tsarevich with a three-headed snake.

The Vietnamese fought with dignity. Soviet assistance was undeniably significant.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

tactical nuclear weapons

China is nearby, apparently they were afraid to miss and unleash a third world war.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

Sarin, VX,

The Americans in Vietnam used various types of chemical agents, including: BZ, CS, CNS, BAE, CN, DM. And also, according to the US Department of Defense, the Americans sprayed 72 million liters of Agent Orange defoliant from planes and helicopters in Vietnam, including 44 million liters containing dioxin, one of the most insidious poisons known to mankind.
They did not break the Vietnamese.

[Chifka]

Missiles .... now the planes ... the aircraft carriers remain - and they will give the General Colonel to SVR Obama. But the next one in the US president needs to be implemented more carefully, otherwise the current one is painfully active, they can calculate ahead of time. Impatient, he really wants the general apparently ...

[inkass_98]

Quote: Chifka

the current one is painfully active

Have you already sent the Order to Huseynovich? The boy has deserved, you will tell nothing.

[Alexey71]

Quote: Kurkul

Damn, what a day for today? I’m gonna go brandy. (I know that Wednesday)

+1

[mabuta]

And for what these toys are for Italians. Babloses will be thrown out and to no avail.

[51064]

Quote: mamont5

Obama has completely abated. Soon, diapers will not be enough.
How then to fight?

So already, Yatsenyuk personally asked for more military assistance - as a result, Obama gave 25 NATO dry packs, there wasn’t enough Ukrainian army for one day, and Obama didn’t give diapers at all (to see the expense increased after Crimean events))) Reduce costs as much as they can , there was information that they want in the United States to reduce the number of ground forces by almost a hundred thousand people. It’s good that the F-000s refuse to buy, and there will be fewer of them, the cost will be more expensive, they will earn less.

[kelevra]

If the United States were less involved in interfering in other people's affairs, they would have had the time and opportunity to make the plane properly!

[GRAY]

Damn, go to the store again
Well, Danila, the master, does not a stone flower come out?

[sv68]

Nada states from all take a prepayment of 100 percent ... and close the project.

[supertiger21]

The news is good !
But it’s not worth optimizing too much, because F-35s will still be bought by dozens (US allies) and thousands (USA themselves), even if the order is reduced. And I want to have my own analogue of the 5th generation light fighter, I hope this will be similar in our aviation after 2020.
In the meantime, let the MiG-35 be our "temporary response" to the American 35th. I hope the AFAR for Zhuk-A will be finished by ours, and Poghosyan will not stop the MiG again. We are waiting for the 2016 squadron of the 35th. .

[Boa kaa]

Quote: supertiger21

F-35 will still be bought by dozens (US allies) and thousands (US themselves), even if the order decreases

The Pentagon plans to purchase 2443 aircraft for its needs and sell about 600 to program participants - England, Italy, the Netherlands, Turkey, Denmark, Canada, Norway and Australia. It is supposed to reduce the cost of the aircraft to 2019 million dollars by 75. 24 March s.Korea announced the choice of F-35 as its promising fighter. In the long struggle of economists and the military to order a fighter for nat. The Air Force defeated the military.
According to mn military experts to 2020g. only PAK DA T-50 and the American F-35 will remain on the arms market. Although there are many reports on the development of the 5 generation fighter in other countries. At the same time, the Americans did not fail to accuse the Chinese of stealing F-35 technologies. What I want to say: do not click the bread bin - keep secrets!
One thing is certain: the Americans will bring the "penguin" to mind and thereby resolve the issue of aviation's dependence on airfields. And they will be hit in the first hours of the "big conflict," because both ours and theirs are the primary targets for the strike. After 2-3, maximum 4 hours, the aircraft, which was in the air at the time of the strike, will request permission to land ... And what can we offer them? Highways with intact pavements?
But how many of them will remain after BSHU? So maybe it's time to remember the Yak-141 on a new qualitative basis? I think it will not be superfluous. IMHO.

[supertiger21]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

and thereby resolve the issue of aviation dependence on airfields. And they will be hit in the first hours of the "big conflict", because both ours and theirs are the primary targets for the strike. After 2-3, maximum 4 hours, the aircraft, which was in the air at the time of the strike, will request permission to land ... And what can we offer them? Highways with intact pavements?

Something you are very confused. Not all F-35s are VTOL aircraft, and the Yankees did not create it in the first place. Of all 3000 Lightings that are going to be produced, only 500 will have vertical take-off / landing. This is the first! Other than this nightmare " about the destruction of airfields "a forgotten problem, which has long been resolved. It was thought about even when Harrier was created 50 years ago. And thirdly: the F-35B will only be used as a sea plane on light landing ships. Therefore, the speech itself is" about the destruction of airfields. " not in the subject with the "Penguin". Yes, and the main fighter will be the F-35A (with a normal takeoff), and not this ugly VTOL ...

[clidon]

They are cutting everything, nowhere in the crisis can we get away from this. We have just reduced the order of 1135 frigates from 6 to 5 pieces. Have to save. On the other hand, I don’t think that the Italian Air Force will make up 40-50 fighters in a couple of decades ...

[UI-Spb]

In 25 years, our anti-aircraft defense will reach such a level that the F-35 will become a common target, without much difficulty in detecting and intercepting. And they were going to stretch the program for 45 years ...

[GRANATE-19]

Quote: UI-Spb

In 25 years, our anti-aircraft defense will reach such a level that the F-35 will become a common target, without much difficulty in detecting and intercepting. And they were going to stretch the program for 45 years ...

The air defense in reality is already such, but ours is for sure, only the quantity remains, and distribute along the borders! Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.

[supertiger21]

Quote: UI-Spb

In 25 years, our anti-aircraft defense will reach such a level that the F-35 will become a common target, without much difficulty in detecting and intercepting.

It is likely, but by then a 6th generation fighter will appear.

Quote: UI-Spb

And they were going to stretch the program for 45 years ...

Not the program, but the operation of the aircraft itself. The JSF program ends with the start of large-scale production of the F-35 in 2019.

[Retvizan]

It doesn’t cut, you sharpen it, you don’t take what you want. But what about the allies who paid for the pepelats?