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The cost of the problem fighter F-35 frozen

Pinotti commented on the report of Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi on the revision of military spending, including the budget of the F-35 program. A review of military spending could potentially save three billion euros for the military budget. The government may decide to cut the budget for the production of Lockheed Martin F-35 jet fighters, which now stands at roughly 11,8 billion euros per 45 years, starting in 2015. As Pinotti told about F-35, “today we have suspended payments by installments [...] Now a moratorium has been imposed until the results of the parliamentary investigation have been received”.


Previously, the suggestion that Italians would reduce the number of F-35 fighters to 45 units was perceived by many as erroneous. Some were convinced that the problems were minor and soon Italy would buy more 90 fighters.

Globalization is crumbling. Economies around the world are on the verge of bankruptcy. Everyone is in a quandary, and military spending is the first sacrificial lamb.

The first were the Netherlands, the second was Italy, and the third were likely to be prudent Canadians. But they will not be the last. The bit of reality will hit even the USAF and the F-35 order will be reduced.

Movement on the death spiral began.
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  1. Curculum
    Curculum 26 March 2014 15: 25
    +31
    Damn, what a day for today? I’m gonna go brandy. (I know that Wednesday)
    1. jjj
      jjj 26 March 2014 15: 29
      +17
      So slowly, slowly, individual horses begin to get tired. They still have not understood in the West that Russia has shaken off the old shackles of the arms race, has rested, looked around. And drove forward with a new harness. It will be hard for the West. So not far to hunger
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak 26 March 2014 16: 28
        +3
        Quote: jjj
        So slowly, slowly

        ... and to the museum
      2. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 26 March 2014 20: 25
        +1
        Quote: jjj
        So slowly, slowly, individual horses begin to get tired. They still have not understood in the West that Russia has shaken off the old shackles of the arms race, has rested, looked around. And drove forward with a new harness. It will be hard for the West. So not far to hunger

        It's not about the arms race, but about banal corruption. Americans in the 90s learned to sell their brands, but forgot how to make good technique. Hollywood's influence on the military-industrial complex was fatal.
    2. W1950
      W1950 26 March 2014 15: 29
      +8
      Joy that amer began dark days?
    3. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 26 March 2014 15: 30
      +9
      Quote: Kurkul
      Damn, what a day for today? I’m gonna go brandy. (I know that Wednesday)

      Italians feel sorry?)
    4. major071
      major071 26 March 2014 15: 35
      +7
      If brandy interferes with the work, then yes, her nafig this work. laughing
      The West will show up slowly, the economies of most EU countries are scarce, against their background, Russia with a budget surplus generally looks like one of the most stable. But unfortunately, the ratings of countries are in the West and therefore, from their point of view, we have just begun to develop, and the EU and the USA are giants of the economy! fool
      There is no cognac, so I will drink beer! drinks
      1. Coffee_time
        Coffee_time 26 March 2014 15: 42
        +1
        How did dj tsvetkoff FLYING III
      2. Curculum
        Curculum 26 March 2014 19: 37
        +1
        Quote: major071
        But unfortunately, the ratings of countries are in the West

        And in this direction there are already the first glimpses: "MOSCOW, March 26 - Prime. First Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Igor Shuvalov said that Russia will not depend on international ratings, this work is currently being done by the Bank of Russia." - http://ria.ru/economy/20140326/1001107057.html#ixzz2x5EYBLkr
        Quote: major071
        There is no cognac, so I will drink beer!

        Damn, in a white way I envy: it's been a month and a half in Dubai, I miss the "living Zhiguli" ... drinks
    5. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 26 March 2014 15: 44
      +2
      and with whom to fight.
      Three members of the U.S. Secret Service, whose job was to guard President Obama during his visit to Holland this week, were sent home for misconduct.
      According to the Washington Post, one of the guards on the eve of Obama's arrival in Amsterdam got drunk to the point that he could not get to his hotel room and fell asleep right in the lobby.
    6. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov 26 March 2014 16: 27
      +1
      Quote: Kurkul
      Damn, what a day for today? I’m gonna go brandy. (I know that Wednesday)

      I join, and even though "don't say gop until you jumped" but I want to celebrate! And in general the tendency is good, even very !!!!!
    7. TUNISIA
      TUNISIA 26 March 2014 16: 44
      0
      Obama is our man! Only now conspiracy is sometimes very skillfully and competently. Well: you won’t drink the experience, as they say, the KGB school is a very harsh school.
  2. alex-s
    alex-s 26 March 2014 15: 25
    +10
    Give MiGs and Dryers!
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 26 March 2014 17: 36
      +1
      Quote: alex-s
      Give MiGs and Dryers!


      Yeah))) That the Italians immediately sent them overseas ... No.
  3. Lissyara
    Lissyara 26 March 2014 15: 26
    +15
    One news is better than another. Then the Tomahawks are in expense, now the planes. We look forward to news about submarines smile
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 26 March 2014 16: 19
      +2
      Quote: LiSSyara
      Then the Tomahawks are in expense, now the planes.

      The park will have to be loved by the beloved. Not so in 10 years. Although in 10 years another plane will appear
    2. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 26 March 2014 20: 32
      0
      Quote: LiSSyara
      One news is better than another. Then the Tomahawks are in expense, now the planes. We look forward to news about submarines smile

      It is better to wait for news about how they will repay their debts, rather than reduce costs. It will be much funnier.
  4. johnsnz
    johnsnz 26 March 2014 15: 26
    +9
    This congressmen with the sanctions snatch. Rake - they are also a rake in America
  5. Stiletto
    Stiletto 26 March 2014 15: 29
    +12
    Quote: johnsnz
    One news is better than another. Then the Tomahawks are in expense, now the planes. We look forward to news about submarines


    So I think whether our colonel Abamkin is replaying? Not that the states with satellites need to be broken up - an axiom, but not so frankly something ... repeat
  6. Wiruz
    Wiruz 26 March 2014 15: 30
    +7
    good - Well, what else can I write ?!
  7. Lone gunman
    Lone gunman 26 March 2014 15: 32
    +5
    Well, I also say, against whom is Italy going to fight ?! you'd better build bunkers - anything can happen ...
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 26 March 2014 15: 38
      +4
      Against undemocratic Venetians, probably. In general, it’s just not worthless for a NATO member country not to fly on what they are going to fly in the states.
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 26 March 2014 16: 44
        +1
        Quote: Wiruz
        do not fly on what are going to fly in the states.

        Apparently they decided to bet on their native M-346 - cheaply and cheerfully, just for flying over Italy and Venice, which is now hostile from now on.
  8. propolsky
    propolsky 26 March 2014 15: 32
    +1
    Give a trash bin for a stool with wings!
  9. Sashka_Gusar
    Sashka_Gusar 26 March 2014 15: 33
    +5
    Goodbye America... smile
  10. Anuarkz
    Anuarkz 26 March 2014 15: 34
    +5
    Well, Italians are easy to understand if Americans are trying to sell them a pregnant cow under the guise of an ultra-modern fighter, and they are breaking some indecent money for it.
    1. Delink
      Delink 26 March 2014 15: 43
      +3
      Yeah, if you don’t milk your ass, your hand will get tired.
  11. sinukvl
    sinukvl 26 March 2014 15: 36
    +8
    Here is the pruha rolled. In the beginning there was news that the Americans were no longer buying Tomahawks, and now the expenses for the F-35 are frozen. What's next? Information that the Yankees' army will be reduced 2-3 times? And these beggars will consider themselves a Super Power! Self-conceit!
  12. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 26 March 2014 15: 36
    +6
    Volodya Putin stick to the legend, otherwise your Agent is on the verge of failure. Failed-Obama ......... Poetry damn it!
  13. Sledgehammer
    Sledgehammer 26 March 2014 15: 38
    +8
    So if things go soon, the United States will have to arrange actions "Two for the price of one". laughing
  14. Russ69
    Russ69 26 March 2014 15: 38
    +4
    Italy may have problems with Venice soon due to a desire for independence. And Venice is the main financial donor, so it's not up to F-35 ...
  15. Gagarin
    Gagarin 26 March 2014 15: 41
    +7
    But the F-35 in the films was beautifully shot ... that will go down in history - THE MAIN FILM OF THE 5 GENERATION.
    1. 0255
      0255 26 March 2014 15: 50
      +5
      Quote: Gagarin
      But the F-35 in the films was beautifully shot ... that will go down in history - THE MAIN FILM OF THE 5 GENERATION.

      The same can be said about f-22 wassat
    2. Cherdak
      Cherdak 26 March 2014 16: 33
      +1
      Quote: Gagarin
      MAIN FILM HERO 5 GENERATIONS.

      The samples of the new generation of artists are ending ...
  16. Bort radist
    Bort radist 26 March 2014 15: 42
    +12
    Tomogafki, F-35 how quickly the sanctions began to act, I don’t have time to read
  17. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 26 March 2014 15: 43
    +7
    Order the SU-35, we ordered a Lada from you!
    1. 0255
      0255 26 March 2014 15: 49
      +3
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      Order the SU-35, we ordered a Lada from you!

      And the MiG-35, so that the RSK MIG had orders.
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 26 March 2014 17: 40
        +1
        Quote: 0255
        And the MiG-35, so that the RSK MIG had orders.


        I agree! And it is desirable only MiG-35, for three reasons:
        1) Slightly cut off Poghosyan’s ambitions.
        2) The MiG is a light fighter, and it needs a rebirth.
        3) Su-35 is too much for Italians, they do not need such an expensive toy.
        The only problem is that Italians, like they did not buy Soviet / Russian fighters, will not buy.
    2. igor36
      igor36 April 2 2014 08: 29
      0
      Rather, they will choose Saab Gripen
  18. Coffee_time
    Coffee_time 26 March 2014 15: 44
    +5
    Ukraine threw a hedgehog to everyone, here is the beginning of uncontrollable chaos
  19. typhoon7
    typhoon7 26 March 2014 15: 51
    +3
    Multi-mysterious and unforgettable F-35. It seems that overheating of the printing presses occurred in the west.
  20. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 26 March 2014 15: 53
    +3
    And here, sensational headlines settle in full, I thought, generally the F-35, but it turned out to be just Italians. Slightly more than 1% of F-35 funding was frozen.
  21. Vtel
    Vtel 26 March 2014 15: 58
    +3
    Quote: BlackMokona
    And here, sensational headlines settle in full, I thought, generally the F-35, but it turned out to be just Italians. Slightly more than 1% of F-35 funding was frozen.


    A trifle, but nice. All the same, spaghetti can still kick, not everything atrophied.
  22. Aleksandr12
    Aleksandr12 26 March 2014 15: 58
    +3
    If this goes well, then they will begin to write off F-22 due to = lack of details smile
  23. 51064
    51064 26 March 2014 15: 58
    +3
    Over time, I think there will be a Russian multi-role fighter competing with the F-35, fully meeting the requirements for the 5th generation, unlike its competitor, and of course substantially cheaper.
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 26 March 2014 17: 43
      +1
      Quote: 51064
      fully meeting the requirements for the 5th generation, unlike the competitor, and of course significantly cheaper.


      I agree with the first point, but not with the second. It is not very powerful and at the same time very cheap, unfortunately ... request
  24. Ilotan
    Ilotan 26 March 2014 16: 07
    +4
    Something I somehow am not very upset about this.
  25. mamont5
    mamont5 26 March 2014 16: 09
    +2
    Obama has completely abated. Soon, diapers will not be enough.
    How then to fight?
  26. upasika1918
    upasika1918 26 March 2014 16: 18
    +3
    I really hope that we have someone in Lefortovo who is greasy-hairy for an exchange for Obama.
  27. capex1
    capex1 26 March 2014 16: 18
    +3
    They did not have to freeze expenses, but this whole flawed project. The Americans have forgotten the principle that if the aircraft is universal (attack aircraft, fighter, carrier-based fighter), then it is not able to perform its tasks individually perfectly. In the course of the project, they managed to outwit themselves with all their supercomputers, stealth technology, and so on. We have already managed to go this way (arms race) and what's the matter with us, but apparently our Western "partners" do not want to learn from the mistakes of others. Well, the wind in their back.
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 26 March 2014 16: 40
      +3
      The old barrel organ began
      Quote: capex1
      and this whole flawed project.

      This is a prerequisite for such comments - immediately call F-35 flawed
      Having no idea about this plane
      Quote: capex1
      if the aircraft is universal (attack aircraft, fighter, carrier-based fighter) then it is not able to perform its separate tasks perfectly well

      Common misconception. Firstly, American light tactical fighters (F-84, F-16, F-35) have always performed the functions of attack aircraft and bombers

      F-84, Korea

      Secondly, the modern level of technology development allows you to create and not such masterpieces - for example, the Su-30MKI, the F-15E "Strike Eagle" or the F / A-18E.

      They could have done it before. If there were competent aircraft designers - the same F-4 "Phantom" (emnip 7 world speed / climb / altitude records). Used as a bomber, tactical reconnaissance aircraft, high-altitude interceptor, radar hunter. Yes, and as a fighter, the conquest of superiority was not as bad as it is painted - which was not known for certain in Vietnam, and the Phantom turned out to be an invincible hero in the sky of Palestine.
      Phantoms flew from the shore and decks of aircraft carriers. Still remain in service (60 years!)

      Strong, versatile, reliable

      Quote: capex1
      managed to outwit themselves with all their supercomputers

      Do you have something against modern avionics?
      Do you want to fly only on the compass, altmometer, speedometer, variometer and horizon?
      Quote: capex1
      stealth technology

      Actively introduced on domestic aviation and marine technology - do you want to say in vain?
      Or will you poison the bike, how did the Russian KGB plant the Yankees with the obviously useless stealth idea?

      Assembly line F-35
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 26 March 2014 20: 37
        +2
        Oleg, I have another request for you, if I may. For a while, we have not read articles specifically about one aircraft (for example, the F-35) that you write perfectly. It’s just that such articles are of great interest to readers, especially to me. And about commentators I’m generally silent, after your articles like these, the comment counter jumps out for hundreds, and the branches are already divided into the 2nd and 3rd page. The fact is that you present the material well, laying out the detailed data and, most importantly, your opinion. Of course, sometimes I noticed some subjectivity in your articles, but in general you can objectively evaluate this or that type of weapon. I wouldn’t start this conversation, but in the whole VO site there are only a few article writers like you. Yes, and those units write very much rarely, so I am turning to you. It is up to you to write or not, but I only ask if it’s not difficult for you.
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 26 March 2014 21: 39
        0
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        what was in Vietnam is not known for certain

        You can ask McCain.
        With the F-35 there is no turning back, only forward. According to the plans, 3100 pcs., For the USA 2500, 600 foreign customers, plus or minus 10 pcs. Grand pianos will not play.
        1. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe 26 March 2014 21: 49
          +1
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          You can ask McCain.

          He was not shot down in aerial combat
          Yes, and he did not pilot the Phantom but the Skyhawk attack aircraft
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 27 March 2014 00: 38
            +1
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            He was not shot down in aerial combat
            Yes, and he did not pilot the Phantom but the Skyhawk attack aircraft

            Some American authors claim that not a single F-4 was shot down in aerial combat in Vietnam. It is difficult to imagine how some kind of yellow-skinned narrow-eyed eyes could withstand the most developed civilization.
            1. Santa Fe
              Santa Fe 27 March 2014 02: 05
              +1
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              F-4 was not shot down in air battles in Vietnam.

              This is of course chasing
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              how some kind of yellow-skinned narrow-eyed could resist the most developed civilization.

              According to Kosygin, the volume of Soviet military assistance to Vietnam amounted to 1,5 million rubles per day

              70 C-75 divisions, 7500 missiles - as long as Soviet transports with weapons were unloaded in Kamp, the war resembled the battle of Ivan Tsarevich with a three-headed snake.

              Finally, do not overestimate Vietnam - in the case of such a task, the Yankees could win in a week by simply obliterating the northern part of the country from the face of the earth (sarin, VX, tactical nuclear weapons)
              1. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 27 March 2014 12: 18
                0
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                70 C-75 divisions, 7500 missiles - as long as Soviet transports with weapons were unloaded in Kamp, the war resembled the battle of Ivan Tsarevich with a three-headed snake.

                The Vietnamese fought with dignity. Soviet assistance was undeniably significant.
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                tactical nuclear weapons

                China is nearby, apparently they were afraid to miss and unleash a third world war.
                Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                Sarin, VX,

                The Americans in Vietnam used various types of chemical agents, including: BZ, CS, CNS, BAE, CN, DM. And also, according to the US Department of Defense, the Americans sprayed 72 million liters of Agent Orange defoliant from planes and helicopters in Vietnam, including 44 million liters containing dioxin, one of the most insidious poisons known to mankind.
                They did not break the Vietnamese.
  28. Chifka
    Chifka 26 March 2014 16: 22
    0
    Missiles .... now the planes ... the aircraft carriers remain - and they will give the General Colonel to SVR Obama. But the next one in the US president needs to be implemented more carefully, otherwise the current one is painfully active, they can calculate ahead of time. Impatient, he really wants the general apparently ...
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 26 March 2014 16: 50
      +1
      Quote: Chifka
      the current one is painfully active

      Have you already sent the Order to Huseynovich? The boy has deserved, you will tell nothing.
  29. Alexey71
    Alexey71 26 March 2014 16: 28
    +1
    Quote: Kurkul
    Damn, what a day for today? I’m gonna go brandy. (I know that Wednesday)

    +1
  30. mabuta
    mabuta 26 March 2014 16: 29
    +1
    And for what these toys are for Italians. Babloses will be thrown out and to no avail.
  31. 51064
    51064 26 March 2014 16: 39
    0
    Quote: mamont5
    Obama has completely abated. Soon, diapers will not be enough.
    How then to fight?
    So already, Yatsenyuk personally asked for more military assistance - as a result, Obama gave 25 NATO dry packs, there wasn’t enough Ukrainian army for one day, and Obama didn’t give diapers at all (to see the expense increased after Crimean events))) Reduce costs as much as they can , there was information that they want in the United States to reduce the number of ground forces by almost a hundred thousand people. It’s good that the F-000s refuse to buy, and there will be fewer of them, the cost will be more expensive, they will earn less.
  32. kelevra
    kelevra 26 March 2014 17: 17
    0
    If the United States were less involved in interfering in other people's affairs, they would have had the time and opportunity to make the plane properly!
  33. GRAY
    GRAY 26 March 2014 17: 24
    +3
    Damn, go to the store again drinks
    Well, Danila, the master, does not a stone flower come out?
  34. sv68
    sv68 26 March 2014 17: 44
    0
    Nada states from all take a prepayment of 100 percent ... and close the project. wassat
  35. supertiger21
    supertiger21 26 March 2014 17: 57
    0
    The news is good good !
    But it’s not worth optimizing too much, because F-35s will still be bought by dozens (US allies) and thousands (USA themselves), even if the order is reduced. And I want to have my own analogue of the 5th generation light fighter, I hope this will be similar in our aviation after 2020.
    In the meantime, let the MiG-35 be our "temporary response" to the American 35th. I hope the AFAR for Zhuk-A will be finished by ours, and Poghosyan will not stop the MiG again. We are waiting for the 2016 squadron of the 35th. smile .
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 26 March 2014 21: 10
      +3
      Quote: supertiger21
      F-35 will still be bought by dozens (US allies) and thousands (US themselves), even if the order decreases

      The Pentagon plans to purchase 2443 aircraft for its needs and sell about 600 to program participants - England, Italy, the Netherlands, Turkey, Denmark, Canada, Norway and Australia. It is supposed to reduce the cost of the aircraft to 2019 million dollars by 75. 24 March s.Korea announced the choice of F-35 as its promising fighter. In the long struggle of economists and the military to order a fighter for nat. The Air Force defeated the military.
      According to mn military experts to 2020g. only PAK DA T-50 and the American F-35 will remain on the arms market. Although there are many reports on the development of the 5 generation fighter in other countries. At the same time, the Americans did not fail to accuse the Chinese of stealing F-35 technologies. What I want to say: do not click the bread bin - keep secrets!
      One thing is certain: the Americans will bring the "penguin" to mind and thereby resolve the issue of aviation's dependence on airfields. And they will be hit in the first hours of the "big conflict," because both ours and theirs are the primary targets for the strike. After 2-3, maximum 4 hours, the aircraft, which was in the air at the time of the strike, will request permission to land ... And what can we offer them? Highways with intact pavements?
      But how many of them will remain after BSHU? So maybe it's time to remember the Yak-141 on a new qualitative basis? I think it will not be superfluous. IMHO.
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 27 March 2014 15: 45
        0
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        and thereby resolve the issue of aviation dependence on airfields. And they will be hit in the first hours of the "big conflict", because both ours and theirs are the primary targets for the strike. After 2-3, maximum 4 hours, the aircraft, which was in the air at the time of the strike, will request permission to land ... And what can we offer them? Highways with intact pavements?


        Something you are very confused. Not all F-35s are VTOL aircraft, and the Yankees did not create it in the first place. Of all 3000 Lightings that are going to be produced, only 500 will have vertical take-off / landing. This is the first! Other than this nightmare " about the destruction of airfields "a forgotten problem, which has long been resolved. It was thought about even when Harrier was created 50 years ago. And thirdly: the F-35B will only be used as a sea plane on light landing ships. Therefore, the speech itself is" about the destruction of airfields. " not in the subject with the "Penguin". Yes, and the main fighter will be the F-35A (with a normal takeoff), and not this ugly VTOL ... negative
  36. clidon
    clidon 26 March 2014 20: 48
    0
    They are cutting everything, nowhere in the crisis can we get away from this. We have just reduced the order of 1135 frigates from 6 to 5 pieces. Have to save. On the other hand, I don’t think that the Italian Air Force will make up 40-50 fighters in a couple of decades ...
  37. UI-Spb
    UI-Spb 26 March 2014 21: 04
    0
    In 25 years, our anti-aircraft defense will reach such a level that the F-35 will become a common target, without much difficulty in detecting and intercepting. And they were going to stretch the program for 45 years ...
    1. GRANATE-19
      GRANATE-19 26 March 2014 23: 06
      0
      Quote: UI-Spb
      In 25 years, our anti-aircraft defense will reach such a level that the F-35 will become a common target, without much difficulty in detecting and intercepting. And they were going to stretch the program for 45 years ...

      The air defense in reality is already such, but ours is for sure, only the quantity remains, and distribute along the borders! Sincerely, I express my humble opinion.
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    3. supertiger21
      supertiger21 27 March 2014 15: 50
      0
      Quote: UI-Spb
      In 25 years, our anti-aircraft defense will reach such a level that the F-35 will become a common target, without much difficulty in detecting and intercepting.


      It is likely, but by then a 6th generation fighter will appear.

      Quote: UI-Spb
      And they were going to stretch the program for 45 years ...


      Not the program, but the operation of the aircraft itself. The JSF program ends with the start of large-scale production of the F-35 in 2019.
  38. Retvizan
    Retvizan 27 March 2014 09: 59
    0
    It doesn’t cut, you sharpen it, you don’t take what you want. But what about the allies who paid for the pepelats?