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Flight to the future

Aviation complex named after S.V. Ilyushin calculates what to offer the military and civil aviation after 2030

On the eve of the anniversary of the renowned aircraft designer Sergey Vladimirovich Ilyushin, the General Director - the General Designer of the Aviation Complex named after him Viktor Vladimirovich Livanov told the Military Industrial Courier newspaper about the latest Il-76MD-90А, plans and prospects for the construction of the Il-112 and Il-114, joint work on the Russian-Indian ITA, as well as on how the promising aviation transport aviation complex (PAK TA) will look like.

- Viktor Vladimirovich, it is known that March 17 held a meeting at the base of the Ilyushin Aviation Complex, headed by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin. Could you tell us more about this?

“This meeting was attended not only by the top officials of the aviation industry, in particular, Mikhail Aslanovich Pogosyan, head of the United Aircraft Corporation, there were also representatives of the United Engine Corporation and the Ministry of Defense. Alas, much of what we discussed at this meeting is a state secret, so I can’t tell you more. We discussed the prospects of light turboprop military transport aircraft IL-112В, passenger IL-114. I reported on the results of our enterprise, prospects. Everything went very constructively and positive results were achieved. On many projects we have moved forward.

We showed Dmitry Olegovich our production base, design bureau, promising projects. Rogozin was very interested to see how the work of young specialists was organized. I want to say, without false modesty, that in Ilyushin AK there are very good conditions for recent university graduates. Dmitry Olegovich was convinced of this.

- In December 2013 of the year during the presentation of the “Aircraft Builder of the Year” award, the creators of the IL-76MD-90А aircraft received the most awards in the most important nominations, in particular, “For the creation of a new design” and “Innovative project of the year”, and you personally received the award in nomination "For a personal contribution to the development of the aviation industry." How is the fate of this unique car now evolving? When will the first production models go into service with the Russian Air Force? Are there any problems with the implementation of the state defense order on this topic?

Flight to the future- There is an opinion that IL-476 is just a digitized “hard worker” IL-76. But it is not. Yes, we have kept the aerodynamics of the IL-76, so as not to make extra purges. But at the same time, the IL-76MD-90А has all new systems, a new wing, avionics, digital flight navigation equipment, a digital fuel system, etc. It was difficult, but we did. Already, five cars are being built in Ulyanovsk. This year, the blood from the nose, as in the LG and contract recorded, the first aircraft surrendered to the military. We plan that the transfer will take place in the third quarter, but perhaps earlier. In general, if possible, then surrender and two sides. Next year, according to the State Armaments Program, we will already deliver two cars. Total to 2016 year, we must pass a minimum of three aircraft. We have no doubt that we will do all this. Moreover, all three cars are already assembled at the Ulyanovsk plant.

- Are there civilian airlines and foreign buyers interested in Il-476?

- There is one question: how can we arrange the sale? The plane is expensive, for cash - the cash does not buy such machines in the world. We'll have to organize leasing. But we are not negotiating with the airlines right now until the 39 of the contracted vehicles is handed over to the Ministry of Defense. Potential buyers are already showing interest in IL-76MD-90А. True, most are waiting for our plane to fly "in the series." But we are sure that as soon as IL-76MD-90А begins to flow en masse for the Russian Defense Ministry, delegations will immediately go in to see and evaluate how the plane flies. And the orders will be. There is already interest from India, Algeria and even China. There is interest from Iran and Libya.

- AK Ilyushin already planning the future development of IL-476? Will there be a “black wing” and other composite materials on it, like on the European military transport A-400M produced by Airbus?

- A year ago, AK Ilyushin received an offer from the United Engine Corporation to see the engine PD-14. We, using the characteristics of the engine, have calculated what tactical and technical characteristics the IL-476 will have. Yes, with PD-14, provided that the JDC can withstand all the characteristics specified in the project, our aircraft will become more economical. The range will increase by one thousand kilometers and reduce fuel consumption. So, as a further development of the IL-76MD-90, we consider the installation of a promising engine PD-14.

While in the construction of IL-476 we use magnesium alloys, although there are problems with corrosion. As the machines move in the series, we may move on to steel structures. In the process of mass production, we estimate what will happen to the weight, let's see how IL-476 will lead in operation, and then we will start changing to steel.

At the same time, the military is categorically against the “black wing” and not only on IL-76MD-90А, but also on ITA and IL-112В. Planes must land on the ground, stones may fly off during take-off, which will damage the wing. How to solve the problem of repairing the “black wing” in the field, because there is no such technology in the field.

Now the “black wing” is on the passenger Boeing-747-8, Boeing-787, Dreamliner and Airbus A-380, but they sit on the concrete! And on the American military transport C-17 the wing is ordinary, from the military it is only on A-400M. The Russian Air Force understands this well. IL-76MD-90A must be repaired in the field. Perhaps, the military will eventually agree on a “black wing”, but only when the technology of its repair will be debugged. And in Russia, the MS-21 aircraft with such a wing will rise into the air only in 2016. On the other hand, in-depth analysis shows that using the “black wing” instead of the usual kind of revolutionary weight loss does not work. For example, Japanese aircraft manufacturers put a classic wing on their perspective transport worker.

- At the MAKS-2013 air show, Lieutenant-General Viktor Bondarev, commander-in-chief of the Russian Air Force, said that the military planned to acquire 40 new Il-478 refueling aircraft in the next three years. How is work going on aircraft refueling now and when will the contract be signed?

- Not only the work on the aircraft itself, but also on the formation of the contract has already been basically completed. It is necessary to make individual touches. Now we already have a number of ideas. There is an offer to sign a contract on the day when we surrender the first serial IL-476 to the military.

- Viktor Vladimirovich, we know that many special machines were created on the basis of the Il-76, in particular, the DRLO A-50 aircraft, the “flying laser” A-60, etc. Will there be special versions of the IL-76МД-90А and base antisubmarine option to replace the IL-38?

- Of course, on the basis of the IL-76MD-90А many special boards will be created. Moreover, such works are now actively carried out, but due to the fact that they all belong to state secrets, I cannot tell you more.

As for the anti-submarine aircraft, it should be well patrolled. For example, IL-38 can patrol for at least 11 hours. But in IL-476, this figure is much worse. To be honest, it is better suited IL-114, for which we advocate. The experience of flying on this machine shows that the IL-114 can patrol for at least 14 hours. And we see no greater alternative. Of course, the Americans made the latest anti-submarine "Poseidon" based on the "Boeing-737-800". But at the same time, they leave in the ranks and the entire fleet of Orion P-3 turboprop, made, as we remember, on the basis of the civilian Elektra aircraft of the Lockheed company. The task of setting hydroacoustic buoys, low-altitude search, etc., no one shot. And the US military is well aware.

Will remain in the ranks of the naval aviation of the Russian Navy and the Il-38, until the end of 2020, we will upgrade all 28 machines according to the Novella project.

- In the contract portfolio of AK Ilyushin there is a unique Russian-Indian military transport aircraft MTA. What stage is this project at?

“We have already done an advance project, which was presented to the Russian-Indian joint venture Multirole Transport Aircraft Limited, which organizes all the work on this project. In the near future, the Ilyushin Aviation Complex should proceed to the next stage - a draft design.

Unfortunately, the Indian side too often changes the project management. I flew to India in February in order to personally transfer the advance project. Now the Indians are refining it. There was a bureaucratic delay, because we pass the documentation for a reason, and through Rosoboronexport, even though it is for a Russian-Indian joint venture. After this, the advance project should analyze the Indian Ministry of Defense. Representatives of the Indian aircraft manufacturing concern HAL has already received him on the spot.

At the same time, the Indian Ministry of Defense, although formally it should not have taken an advance project, asked us to send it for review. So we are waiting for the final conclusion of the Indian military, and I hope that immediately after this a contract will be signed for a draft design and detailed design.

MTA is replacing An-12, so the question often arises as to why MTA is with jet engines, although An-12 is a screw machine. But neither the Indians nor we have an engine of sufficient power to make a screw machine at its base.

- At the beginning of the interview you mentioned that the fate of the IL-112В and IL-114 was discussed at the joint meeting. Can you tell us what decision was made?

- While the final decision on a light military transport IL-112V has not yet been made, although there are significant positive developments.

At the last meeting we discussed the course of work, so to speak, we decided where we are now. The military fully support this car, but so far they are not satisfied with the issues of price and timing. At the meeting I asked them: what are we going to do? They replied: "We will find a compromise."

Dmitry Rogozin instructed the Ministry of Industry and Trade, the KLA and the Ministry of Defense to coordinate all the necessary documents as soon as possible. There is such a concept “calculation and calculation material - RCM”. We handed him over to the Ministry of Defense, but, unfortunately, he did not suit the military. The Defense Ministry is demanding a reduction in price not only for development work, but also for production vehicles. Therefore, at the last 17 March meeting of AK Ilyushin, an instruction was given - to find a compromise solution in two weeks that would suit both us and the Russian Air Force.

To be honest, the Ministry of Defense is more concerned about the price of a serial vehicle than OCD, because he has to buy these planes further throughout the 10 years. But it is with the price of the serial machine there are nuances. Only 30 percent of this amount falls on the assembly plant, and the rest is the subcontractors. Although the cooperation with us is already one hundred percent agreed. Therefore, we are now with the Ministry of Industry and Trade, to whom these plants are subordinate, within two weeks we will recount and look for a reasonable compromise.

We finally decided on the engine for the IL-112В. We will put the TV-7-117CM. As the program progresses, they agreed with the UEC that they will continue to work on this engine. The “dvigatelisty” promised us a little to raise the power, and, of course, reliability. Also, we have already agreed with the Ministry of Defense that two contracts will be simultaneously signed - both for OCD and for the series.

- And how many military plan to buy cars and whether there will be its civilian version?

- Now in the state program of armament up to 2020 of the year (HPV-2020), only 62 of the IL-112В aircraft is laid. Here on these 62 aircraft and will be a contract. Of course, the need of the Ministry of Defense and other power structures is much greater, but only this quantity is indicated in the LG. Therefore, legally, the Ministry of Defense can order only that amount. But it does not frighten us, we consider 62 boards as the first stage.

At the meeting, Dmitry Rogozin also set us the task of making a civilian version of the IL-112. I will say straight away that two variants of civil aviation propellers were considered - a model based on the IL-112 or the resumption of production in Russia of the IL-114. Paradox, but in the Russian Federation there is no own turboprop aircraft.

- You mentioned IL-114. What are the prospects for the resumption of production of this machine in Russia?

- To be honest, at the meeting the opinions were somewhat divided. Some participants were against. But IL-114 has undoubted advantages. The aircraft is certified with two engines - both Russian and Canadian. If relations with Canada are complicated, then we put the Russian engine. Opponents of the aircraft say that IL-114 does not fly on the ground. I want to say this is a misconception. Flies. We just did not have time to conduct its certification for flights from the ground. The research and production enterprise Radar-MMS, which is headed by Georgiy Vladimirovich Antsev, has a flying laboratory based on IL-114. There it has been exploited for almost ten years. Of course, this is an experimental aircraft and does not comply with the requirements of civil aviation, so we allow Radar-MMS to land on the IL-114. And the board sits on the ground and on the snow.

Our main task is to solve the issue of price. We know how much Q-400, ATR-42 and 72 are. Now, according to preliminary calculations, we are somewhere in the middle. Therefore, if we are to produce in Russia, we must make sure that our IL-114 is cheaper than its foreign counterparts.

- How do you assess the demand for IL-114 and the possibility of its production in Russia? Will you attract specialists from the Tashkent aircraft factory?

- Dmitry Rogozin set us the task for two weeks to determine the parameters of the Il-114 market, not only commercial, but also civil, and submit the data to the Military-Industrial Commission.

To be honest, we have not yet considered at which aircraft factory you can resume production of the IL-114. We will discuss this issue separately.

Actually, surprisingly it sounds, but under the IL-114 it is economically advantageous to build a completely new factory. After all, our existing plants bear a heavy burden of overhead, the managerial apparatus, and all this leads to higher prices for the aircraft they produce. And it's not a joke. Let's count. We work on IL-114 for four and a half to five years, we will build a plant in parallel. We are talking five years before the release of the first serial, and during this time we will build two plants! There would be money. Now the construction facilities are so developed that it is not at all difficult to build a turnkey plant.

Of course, we do not rule out joint work with the Tashkent Aviation Plant, although we do have Il-114 drawings, but not digital ones, but paper ones. Tashkent can do, for example, a wing or part of the fuselage. All these design elements can be easily transported by IL-76. So if a positive decision is made on IL-114, then we will go and begin to negotiate.

So far Tashkent produces IL-114 for its airlines, so they have good specialists. At the same time, I do not exclude that Tashkent specialists can transfer us to work.

- Viktor Vladimirovich, recently it became known that the Ilyushin Aviation Complex began work on the modernization of the heavy An-124 military transport aircraft. Could you tell us more about this?

- These works are carried out within the framework of the state order. The Ministry of Defense announced a competition for the first stage, that is, the development of an advance project. AK Ilyushin won it, the work received the name "Kolos". By the end of the year we will hand over the military design project to the military, and if it satisfies the Ministry of Defense, we will sign a contract for the development of design documentation. Speaking roughly, in our project we plan to unify the IL-76MD-90A and An-124, because the fleet of military transport aircraft should be as unified as possible. But the main problem is the engines. We are currently negotiating with the Progress plant on their third series D-18. Surprisingly, despite the fact that the An-124 is the machine of the Ukrainian Antonov, in Russia we found about ten people, including the chief designer of this aircraft, who were hired. According to the tactical and technical requirements set by the military, the upgraded An-124 will not only meet all ICAO requirements, but also have modern navigation equipment, avionics and on-board self-defense systems.

- And for what promising machines does Ilyushin AK work?

- We call it PAK TA - a promising aviation transport aviation complex. Although this is a long-term job, we are already considering what we can offer to the military after the 2030 year. And not only military, but also civil aviation. Now we are considering the "carrier fuselage" scheme, there was another version of the "carrier wing". And we are already thinking about what to offer after the 2030 year. So far, the project is carrying out research work at TsAGI, as well as at the Myasishchev Experimental Machine-Building Plant. Wind tunnel blows were made several years ago. The proposed scheme showed a positive result. TsAGI more closely engaged in this project. The perspective of PAK TA is huge. Now the task within the framework of research work is to determine the geometry, characteristics, look at the engines and only then give a proposal. So our plan looks something like this - first we rent the IL-112B, then the MTA, and closer to the year 2030 we go to PAK TA. It is important that the military will formulate in their TTZ on a promising car. And how they are determined what they want, then we will do everything.

- Viktor Vladimirovich, thank you very much for the informative interview, on behalf of the team of the newspaper “Military Industrial Courier”, let me congratulate you and the entire aviation complex named after S. Ilyushin on your jubilee - the 120 anniversary of your creator, the greatest aircraft designer, three times Hero of Socialist Labor Sergey Vladimirovich Ilyushin.

- Thank.
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  1. Gagarin
    Gagarin 26 March 2014 18: 36
    Fucking perestroika almost destroyed everything.
    Soon we will see new WORLDWIDE cars.
    1. Luzhichanin
      Luzhichanin 26 March 2014 18: 46
      do not forget that the son of one of the curators of Ilyushin is not an obscure head of the Livanov ministry ...
      One thing is clear, a family contract works according to a given plan, questions: who set the plan and what are its goals.
      But since I do not have this information, I am judging by these matters: my son is clearly not a patriot: he is doing everything to break up education, continuing Fursenko’s policy. I will leave the question open with Livanov's elder: let people speak out not by hearsay familiar with transport aviation.
      1. Salamander
        Salamander 26 March 2014 19: 06
        A good song about IL-76:

    2. RUS96
      RUS96 26 March 2014 19: 08
      1. Salamander
        Salamander 26 March 2014 19: 32
        "+"! Or so too:
    3. lelikas
      lelikas 26 March 2014 19: 31
      Quote: Gagarin
      Soon we will see new WORLDWIDE cars.

      16 years is a very long time .....
      1. Dilshat
        Dilshat 26 March 2014 23: 19
        Here are a bunch of plans. And besides a few superjets in civil aviation, is anything produced?
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    5. 120352
      120352 26 March 2014 23: 45
      In the meantime, morally and technically obsolete IL - 112 and IL - 114, which were born back in the USSR, but never flew, are slipping into us. Armed forces plundered Serdyukov. But, in general, now it is over. But who continues to ruin the aircraft ?!
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 26 March 2014 18: 36
    we have excellent flight schools, they don’t need to interfere with the implementation of ideas, and they must be supported at the state level. The results will not be long in coming.
  3. Keeper
    Keeper 26 March 2014 18: 43
    It's time to revive our aviation! And then if passenger transport - then decommissioned Boeing ((
    Today overtaking military vehicles (we are carrying missiles back and forth) I felt what Russian military transport was))))
    The exhaust gases from these cars - like a fist knocked on the side window when overtaking ...)))
  4. konvalval
    konvalval 26 March 2014 18: 45
    For a long time, it's time to raise your aircraft industry and fly only in your own cars, and not buy foreign ones, and then pay for their service.
  5. parus2nik
    parus2nik 26 March 2014 18: 45
    Let's guys, crush your aircraft industry, western ..
  6. saag
    saag 26 March 2014 18: 52
    So is it really that the Fokker 50 or Embraer or Bombardier will come to the point and will be, but Il? That will be marvelous! :-)
  7. Gagarin
    Gagarin 26 March 2014 18: 56
    From scratch they created world-class aviation, then they got the strongest bandwagon.
    I think we get up and again wipe the nose all over the world.
    1. Salamander
      Salamander 26 March 2014 19: 46
  8. Rus2012
    Rus2012 26 March 2014 19: 00
    Will remain in the ranks of the naval aviation of the Russian Navy and the Il-38, until the end of 2020, we will upgrade all 28 machines according to the Novella project.

    I remember discussing this topic earlier ... here's the answer.

    Here is the answer to the question about Ukrainian specialists,
    as I wrote earlier, everything is solved -
    Surprisingly, despite the fact that the An-124 is the car of the Ukrainian Antonov, in Russia we found about ten people, including the chief designer of this aircraft, who were hired.

  9. individual
    individual 26 March 2014 19: 12
    Again M. Poghosyan.
    Super, SuperJet-100. hi
    The Ministry of Industry and Trade suspended the financing of the new Sukhoi Superjet;
    Due to sanctions on components, the production of the Superjet-100 and MS-21 may be transferred to India.
    And the Indians still think.
  10. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 26 March 2014 19: 13
    Competent, specific conversation of a specialist. This cannot but rejoice. For America, quite difficult times have come in the course of Russia. Russia is rising from its knees, including on the wings of the Aviation Industry!
  11. polite people
    polite people 26 March 2014 19: 14
    Commander Il-76 Ukrainian Air Force:
    - Technician, open the ramp, let them jump out!
    - Commander, 2200 meters - high, lower necessary!
    - I can’t lower, others will jump! good
  12. polite people
    polite people 26 March 2014 19: 15
    Commander Il-76 Ukrainian Air Force:
    - Technician, open the ramp, let the mercenaries jump out!
    - Commander, 2200 meters - high, lower necessary!
    - I can’t lower, others will jump! good
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 26 March 2014 19: 32
      something double posts.
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  13. upasika1918
    upasika1918 26 March 2014 20: 06
    And inside each side is the Iron Guard.
  14. 26 March 2014 20: 16
    ..for IL-112V. We will put the TV-7-117CM. Author Victor Livanov, Alexey Ramm

    TV-7-117 produces Zaporozhye "Motor-Sich". In the light of the new relationship with the maydanuty, it will be strained.
  15. saag
    saag 26 March 2014 20: 47
    TV-7-117 produces Zaporozhye "Motor-Sich". In the light of the new relationship with the maydanuty, it will be strained.

    In my opinion, Motor Sich entered the newly formed International Engineering Company, formed in Russia
    1. 28 March 2014 00: 31
      Quote: saag
      Motor Sich in my opinion entered recently established International Engineering Company, formed in Russia

      Maidowns recently Kiev captured ...
  16. stranik72
    stranik72 26 March 2014 20: 56
    Viktor Vladimirovich Livanov and Rogozin are relatives, just in case, everything else is fantasy, in fact, the situation is not very good. The TV7-117s engine is purely Russian, and it has many problems because of it, in general, the IL-114 did not take off en masse. And yet Livanov is not a general designer, in essence, is just another maneuver of the era of the 90s, especially since he is already more than 70 years old, so he is not the one to gush with new ideas. Poghosyan No. 2 for our aviation.
  17. crambol
    crambol 26 March 2014 21: 59
    ... in Russia we found about ten people, including the chief designer of this aircraft, who were hired.

    But this is the wisest step. Thank!
  18. 120352
    120352 26 March 2014 23: 23
    Flight to the future? Interesting! Into the future from the already distant past. Just some kind of "time machine". As far as I know, the IL-114 began to be designed as early as September 2, 1980. We can say, "NEW", only 34 years old airplane, and he was not really born yet. And the flight characteristics - hurt yourself! The speed is the same as that of the AN 24, up to 450 km / h and the range is just over a thousand. This was flying before the war. There are about 70 seats for unarmed passengers with a seat pitch of less than 65 cm. It is suitable only where you urgently need to be late somewhere and do not deliver anything. If you use it for military purposes, then the transfer of something to the area of ​​hostilities will take noticeably more time than the hostilities themselves. A completely useless toy! There is even nothing to write about the IL-112. It is a shame that money and time are wasted on such nonsense while the military needs modern technology!
  19. Val_y
    Val_y 27 March 2014 00: 07
    Indeed, the idea is not new, but if nothing is done, but only, then nothing will be. All sectors must be as quickly as possible, and most importantly, they need to be modernized in a qualitative manner. I doubt that the bombardier or pride Whitney will score on the frame and continue cooperation. negative
  20. Demon0n
    Demon0n 27 March 2014 00: 08
    Offer operational-tactical TVVP for transportation of heavy equipment (flying-dropped-flew away) ... Maybe then the situation with unification, classification and sea / ocean UDC (large and not so big) will become clear ...
    It is good to wipe the technologies of the last century (not that it was so sad and unnecessary, but it is time to think about the future, in addition to the prospects "in a week"). Suggest something new and useful for the age to come.
  21. saag
    saag 27 March 2014 07: 56
    Quote: Demon0n
    Suggest something new and useful for the age to come.

    Well, they can draw a concept for you now, but can he ever get a ticket to life, is it necessary when there is already a certified device?
    1. Demon0n
      Demon0n 27 March 2014 14: 54

      1) A concept is not just a model of plastic. The concept implies, first of all, the elaboration of a theoretical structure, and, therefore, the preparation of a scientific and engineering base. That is, in other words, it forms an area of ​​focused scientific and engineering search.
      If we confine ourselves to the current scientific and engineering base, then we can forget about the progress in the given areas.
      2) Personally, I will not undertake to judge the possibilities of modern engineering in the borderline state between a scientific hypothesis, theory, and practical engineering. ... for an objective reason: there is no access to this information (we are talking about reliable and complete information). However, at a level accessible to me, implementation is possible. We are talking about the effectiveness of the approach (this is the contentiousness of the subject). Those. the need for the direction of scientific and engineering research (first the problem, then the goal, then the methods and means).
      3) An objective reason for the need for operational transport for heavy equipment, in my opinion, is. At a minimum, ensuring greater versatility of landing operations in a wide range of geographical conditions. Think about how the DB tactics changed with the advent of transport helicopters ... The DBK and UDC are also not in vain mentioned: from my point of view, these expensive ships have no place for a bunch of expensive (in! All! Senses) contents off the coast, which the present moment, limits their use (including the tactical component).
      Yes ... I have my own vision of the appearance and concept of the sun ... I do not pretend to the absolute truth in the last resort and is open for discussion ...
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