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And whose card is the beat? About refusal of the American payment systems

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Conversations that Western sanctions against Russia in connection with the official position of the Russian authorities in the Crimea could put pressure not so much on Russia itself as on the “donors” of sanctions - on the US and the EU - turned out to be completely idle. The first injection was felt by the VISA payment systems (headquarters in San Francisco, USA) and MasterCard (headquarters in New York, USA), which last week decided to block operations with bank cards for several Russian financial organizations at once. The blocking of bank cards took place without any warnings from the banks' management, to which the US authorities imposed sanctions. Subsequently, official representatives of the payment systems MasterCard and VISA explained what had happened with a certain technical malfunction and unblocked the cards of the clients of Russian banks. But it was too late.


Immediately after the fact of blocking bank cards by American payment systems in Russia, they actively talked about the fact that things would not go further, and that it was time to introduce a national payment system by the end of this year. This system will be able to reduce the dependence of the Russian banking sector on American “payments” to a minimum.

It should be noted that talk about the introduction of a full-scale national payment system in Russia has been going on for a long time, but in fact there has been no further talk. And this, by the way, is very suspicious, especially since it is not the first time that VISA and MasterCard allow themselves to simply take one key of a Russian bank using the services of these payment systems into lock mode without no explicit explanations for your actions.

And whose card is the beat? About refusal of the American payment systems


The root reasons why in Russia, in the state with the 6 economy in the world, has not yet been built a full-fledged national payment system (in China, India, Japan, such systems exist and cover hundreds of millions of citizens) reveals the notorious site WikiLeaks. The site publishes information from the appeal of a high-ranking employee of the US Embassy in Russia (archive from 2010 of the year), according to which this employee (his name is Matias Mitmen) strongly recommends that the US authorities put pressure on the Russian authorities to prevent Russia from creating its own large payment system . The published materials cite the words of an embassy employee in Moscow that if Russia creates its own large payment system, then the US payment systems (and this is primarily Viza and MasterCard) can lose only commissions for about 4 billion dollars a year. In addition, Russia will have the opportunity not to send personal data of its citizens to the United States, which VISA and MasterCard are requesting for financial transactions, WikiLeaks also writes about this.

It is extremely interesting that the fact of the possible loss of the use of personal data of Russian citizens (and other clients of Russian banks) is disturbed by the United States as much as possible financial losses ...

By the way, in the 2012 year (that is, after the concerns of Mr. Mitman), Russia created the payment system “PRO100”, but it’s too early to call this system truly Russian. If the number of VISA cards in Russia alone is more than 40 million units, then the number of cardholders with the PRO100 payment system is not even times, but ten times less. In total, the share of American payment systems in Russia accounts for 85% of the bank card market, most of which are designed for payroll projects.

Why Russian “PRO100” could not get a significant share of the Russian market of bank cards? Isn’t it because the US administration in 2010 really "talked heart to heart" with the Russian authorities in order to keep the two sacred US cows in the form of VISA and MasterCard untouched in the area from Kaliningrad to Kuril? And after all, this version no longer looks like a conspiratorial one, based on the fact that information about a peculiar request from an employee of the American embassy came to the surface thanks to WikiLeaks about 4's years ago.

Now there is every chance to develop either the mentioned “PRO100” or implement a new project. The head of Sberbank of Russia, German Gref, said that in about half a year, a full-fledged national payment system could be made through the so-called universal information card (UEC). This card can be ordered today. It combines both a bank card and a personal identification system. The base for her work is the same payment application PRO100, which 14 Russian financial organizations have joined at this stage.

At the moment, the State Duma is already considering important amendments to the draft law on the national payment system (NPS), according to which Russia will cease to use foreign processing services for bank cards. Of particular importance is the amendment, which states that none of the participants in the “customer-payment system” pair will be able to unilaterally stop providing services. As you can see, this point is aimed primarily at the fact that the payment system "did not think" to block the cards at its own discretion.

The transition of the Russian financial space to the national payment system today is important not only from the perspective of, say, “our response to Chamberlain” - that is, in terms of expressing such psychological counteraction to American sanctions, but also with the goal of actually securing the country's financial system. When 85% of operations with bank cards in Russia are controlled from overseas, what real financial independence can we talk about?

In fact, today the White House is in the hands of the lever for managing the state of affairs, at least in the salary sector of the Russian economy. If VISA and MasterCard have already allowed themselves to block the cards of half a dozen Russian banks, then it may also happen that dozens of other banks will be blocked (even for a while) - millions of Russians will become hostages of US interests. Like, nothing personal - technical failure ... It is enough for the managing director of the mentioned American payment systems to make a few clicks of a computer mouse button to block, for example, bank cards of hundreds of thousands of Russian military personnel or millions of doctors and teachers. What kind of collapse this can lead to inside Russia, one can only guess ...

Own payment system will allow to protect personal data about clients of Russian banks from their “transfer” abroad. It’s not for nothing that a kind of joke has recently begun to go around, saying that the Minister of Defense Shoigu doesn’t know so much about the size of the Russian army as well as VISA and MasterCard ... Let’s not forget that American intelligence agencies received personal information about people in different countries of the world this is a whole shadow industry, behind the screen which allowed Edward Snowden to peep. Therefore, the refusal of Russia from the large-scale use of American “payments” is also a possible blow to the NSA.

In general, the mutual acuteness of sanctions is not just empty words.
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  1. W1950
    W1950 26 March 2014 08: 04
    +151
    Everything is fine, we will begin to get rid of liberal ideas. We turn to the regime of self-sufficiency.
    1. brelok
      brelok 26 March 2014 08: 20
      +61
      Quote: W1950
      Everything is fine, we will begin to get rid of liberal ideas. We turn to the regime of self-sufficiency.

      Long overdue!
      1. predator.3
        predator.3 26 March 2014 09: 56
        +28
        Everything that is done is for the better! ... or if there is a silver lining! Finally, indignant for their finances!
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 26 March 2014 11: 10
          +45
          Quote: predator.3
          Finally, indignant for their finances!

          ...and not only!
          laughing
          The people immediately understood everything at once ... except for libroid-creacles ...
          They decided to take everything away from the Russians. Simple and unpretentious. Kill two Russian birds with one stone: to profit by free Russian money and stop the expansion of Russian capital. How and how much happened is another question. But the uncles understood everything. They understood who they were and for whom the partners in the “civilized west” hold them. And not only uncles from the mystical Masonic lodge, the inner circle of the president. But all the other serious uncles who used to be very critical.

          And you noticed how sharply the support of all kinds of opposition has weakened? And how, on the contrary, did support for the line on "patriotism" increase? Everyone understood everything except creacles. Because kreakly, they get their money in envelopes for services in "design", "marketing", "merchandising" and other unhealthy nonsense. They have no idea where the money comes from. They think that money is growing in sequoia. They think that money is generated by their awesome startups and other words, for which there is absolutely no sense.

          But uncles know what money is. Where do they come from. And how can they be wrung out at the moment, if you, for example, are a sucker. Uncles themselves are able to wring themselves, squeezed a lot of suckers to the thread themselves. Uncles are just as if in a bastard, that they themselves are mistaken for suckers and stupidly squeeze out the loot. While saying “Europe”, “democracy”, “freedom” and other intricate words.

          In general, everyone understood that there is no money if they are not supported by missiles with nuclear warheads. Moreover, it is not enough to have all kinds of weapons, one must also be frostbitten enough to use force at every convenient, and especially with an uncomfortable opportunity. Now uncles are patriots. Sovereigns. Imperialists. Moreover, the real, not that we are with you.

          Let me tell you more about the oligarchs. The liberals did not understand that the style had changed. Berezovsky is dead. Abramovich remained, he is a relic. He as a species, consider that it has already disappeared, he is deprived of the ability to reproduce. But yesterday we saw Kovalchuk. Look, my dears, at Kovalchuk. Tell me, what does he remind Abramovich? Right. Nothing. This is a different kind of life.

          All your repressions, all your sanctions are aimed at the dead Berezovsky and the dying Abramovich. You shoot the past, gentlemen. Kovalchuk looks at you as at. He is laughing at you. Uncles are only becoming friendlier and stronger. They are ready. After Cyprus, they have already prepared for everything. They sat down for a long time and talked. They said: to stand we need to keep our roots. Because we have strong roots: Topol-M, Satan, Russia, Siberia, Putin. Nobody is already selling Russia, gentlemen, you are late.

          You are second year students, you have been sitting in the same class for a year. Go already, go to the next level, and you will understand who really is deceiving you. All the interest in you from our esteemed Western partners is connected only with the fact that serious uncles understood everything and showed the partners a fact. Partners are now trying to buy Russian simulacra from you for simulacra of money, for a trifle. And you somehow feel alienated from a sense of self-worth. Well, they say, we are like a bargaining chip ... The West will help us ... but no, we are not exchanging ordinary soldiers for generals!

          Who needs you? Do not flatter yourself. The West will quickly forget you. Remember: Rome does not pay traitors.
          1. Uncle
            Uncle 26 March 2014 12: 37
            +14
            Quote: Rus2012
            Because we have strong roots: Topol-M, Satan, Russia, Siberia, Putin.

            We also have Obama. With his actions, with his mistakes, he unequivocally lets us know which way to go in terms of strengthening Russia. They turned off the Visa for a couple of days, but highlighted the problem so that it would not be possible to hush and shut it down. And in the Crimea, to take territory without firing a shot is a miracle. I believe that there was an agreement with Obama that Yaytsenyuki and others like them will not give an order to shoot.
            1. polite people
              polite people 26 March 2014 23: 33
              +2
              I can’t even believe that our financiers decided on this. Really England gave the go-ahead.
            2. polite people
              polite people 26 March 2014 23: 33
              0
              I can’t even believe that our financiers decided on this. Really England gave the go-ahead.
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            4. michelle
              michelle 28 March 2014 23: 17
              +1
              They panic and make unforgivable mistakes, and ours are marked with a pencil and then redraw the system in our favor! It's time to get rid of our economic and political weaknesses! Finally, we learned to learn from OTHER mistakes and not from OUR !!! soldier
            5. Vadim12
              Vadim12 30 March 2014 21: 32
              0
              If they had given me the opportunity, I would have voted for Obamych, let him stay longer at the helm of the dashboard, how much good he has done to Russia, and he will do it !!!
              By good I mean: assistance in the return of Crimea, the rise of patriotism in Russia, the removal of "rose-colored glasses" from many of our citizens when looking at the EU and an impetus to the development of the national payment system, and possibly even the nationalization of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. love
        2. Rus2012
          Rus2012 26 March 2014 15: 18
          +11
          Quote: predator.3
          All that is done is for the best!

          And meanwhile -
          The Government of the Russian Federation has switched from the use of iPad Internet tablets to Samsung tablets. The head of the Ministry of Communications, Nikolai Nikiforov, assured that this is not a limitation or sanction against the American company.
          For work, members of the Russian government no longer use the iPad, they switched to Samsung products. “These are devices protected in a special way that can be used to process confidential information,” said Nikolai Nikiforov, head of the Russian Ministry of Communications, and spoke about the new tablets of the South Korean company.
          “Some of the information at government meetings is confidential, and these devices fully comply with these requirements and have passed the most stringent certification system,” he explained.
          According to him, the replacement of equipment "occurred not so long ago." As Nikiforov assured, the rejection of the iPad and the transition to Samsung tablets are technical in nature. Government members use tablets at cabinet meetings and meetings.
          At the same time, Nikiforov noted that "American services plan to significantly increase the amount of information intercepted in Russia" According to the minister, this causes serious concern for many Russian government customers.
          According to Nikiforov, the US has a serious groundwork for leadership in many technologies, but there are South Korean and Chinese software manufacturers, and "it does not come down exclusively to the US."

          Source - http://russian.rt.com/article/25446
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 26 March 2014 16: 44
            +27
            It makes no sense. Government members are required to immediately switch to the "notebook" form. You don't need a tablet to WORK. I hope they don't do web design in their meetings there? And do not rummage around classmates? Then, for the passage to the workplace with a smart, tablet and others like them, you have to drive with a pissing rag.
            Processing data and developing solutions based on it are different tasks. And I really hope that the government conducts this very processing in clusters cut off from the network with the necessary protection. And the result of the processing is a small printout, with which one can really go to the government to sit down.
            Do you want to go to meetings with your computer? Get involved - pay and organize work on optical computers. And then they started this business, found out that they can’t remove the electromagnetic traces from them and left it - the Americans don’t need this. But we need, and desperately. And what profits can be raised on fundamentally unheard devices! Do we have any of the scientists of that level? Oh ...
          2. cosmos111
            cosmos111 26 March 2014 20: 35
            +10
            Quote: Rus2012
            The Government of the Russian Federation has switched from the use of Internet tablets iPad to tablets from Samsung

            Need to switch to Russian-made tablets !!!!
            "" "" Russian companies do not participate in the production process, but are exclusively engaged in assembling laptops from components made in Asia, ...
            At the moment, there are more than 25 Russian companies that produce their own laptops. "" "
            from here: http: //www.nbprice.ru/info/details/16582.htm

            need your own element base, softwaree !!!!
          3. Vasia kruger
            Vasia kruger 27 March 2014 10: 18
            0
            Quote: Rus2012
            The Government of the Russian Federation has switched from the use of iPad Internet tablets to Samsung tablets. The head of the Ministry of Communications, Nikolai Nikiforov, assured that this is not a limitation or sanction against the American company.


            Well that's it, now we are saved.
        3. Mister X
          Mister X 26 March 2014 17: 58
          +3
          Quote: predator.3
          Finally, indignant for their finances!

          The Central Bank of the Russian Federation has registered UnionPay LLC as an operator of the China UnionPay payment system.
          China UnionPay is China's national payment system.
          According to information on the payment system website, CUP partners in Russia are Gazprombank, VTB24, Master Bank, Uniastrum, Moscow Bank for Reconstruction and Development (MBRD), Rosbank, Eurofinance Mosnarbank, City and a number of other organizations.

          And VTB Group has already launched a project to distribute the services and services of the Chinese payment system China UnionPay.

          UnionPay at one time held negotiations with the federal authorized organization Universal Electronic Card (UEC).
      2. edissson
        edissson 26 March 2014 10: 09
        +13
        sorry, repetition is the mother of learning and a sign of laziness of the mind! that proverb sounds like that.)
      3. Internal combustion engine
        Internal combustion engine 26 March 2014 10: 23
        .
        Wherever you spit everywhere is dependence on the United States. That's how Putin arranged the economy for us.
        1. Gvozdovsky
          Gvozdovsky 26 March 2014 10: 43
          +69
          I'm sorry, not Putin. He is trying to get Russia out of the shit that we got ourselves into thanks to Gorbachev and So, Yelitsin and his "team." I can advise you to listen to an interesting person and politician Nikolai Starikov (Air Defense Party): he has a YouTube channel, and you can also find his audiobooks on various topics in the net (on this topic - "Nationalization of the ruble. The path to freedom of Russia"). A person has a very common view of the history of our country and everything that happens.
          1. Gunsmith
            Gunsmith 26 March 2014 12: 27
            +9
            Yes, do not pay attention to this brow - he is either a Troll, or the whole head is frostbitten.
            Quote: ICE
            Wherever you spit everywhere is dependence on the United States. That's how Putin arranged the economy for us.

            If * Elephant * is written on the cell of this tovarisch - do not believe your eyes, .. - this is Pug. The dog barks - the Internet is wearing.
        2. Gvozdovsky
          Gvozdovsky 26 March 2014 10: 43
          +2
          I'm sorry, not Putin. He is trying to get Russia out of the shit that we got ourselves into thanks to Gorbachev and So, Yelitsin and his "team." I can advise you to listen to an interesting person and politician Nikolai Starikov (Air Defense Party): he has a YouTube channel, and you can also find his audiobooks on various topics in the net (on this topic - "Nationalization of the ruble. The path to freedom of Russia"). A person has a very common view of the history of our country and everything that happens.
        3. Sadikoff
          Sadikoff 26 March 2014 11: 01
          +28
          ... In 1992 alone, at the invitation of Chubais, more than 200 foreign consultants arrived in Russia, among whom there were CIA staff members ... whose services were openly and officially paid for by the specially created “Russian Privatization Center” headed by a certain Maxim Boyko. This man, under the age of 16, lived in the United States under the name Shamberg, has Israeli citizenship, his father taught at a specialized university of the US CIA.

          Through Chubais, Boyko-Schamberg received unlimited access to information, including secret, top secret and special importance, about defense plants and production technologies, design bureaus, testing ranges and laboratories with legal right to make decisions on their property, and, therefore, on their fate ... "
          1. Corsair0304
            Corsair0304 26 March 2014 13: 39
            +12
            And what does your statement have to do with this article?

            Although I support your opinion, this red-headed woodpecker must be driven out of the country.
            1. maxiban
              maxiban 26 March 2014 17: 26
              +4
              Most likely this red-headed woodpecker has long been turned over and held, for pushing the misinformation. Otherwise, he would have disappeared long ago.
          2. nik.tmn72
            nik.tmn72 26 March 2014 20: 41
            -8
            Yes, yes, he was hiding from ALL, at night, brought in foreign consultants, and registered in his apartment!
            And the leadership, both at night and during the day, was engaged (and today) in state affairs (where else would it be to "saw off" - by converting state property into private).
          3. kocclissi
            kocclissi 26 March 2014 23: 14
            +1
            Zadornov, "SyabuCH" was right and that says it all!
        4. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 26 March 2014 11: 41
          +8
          The current economic system was built long before the GDP, it is the brainchild of our young reformers from the late Gorbach and who still did not revel in the death of the EBN, all of this was built by Gaidars, Chubais and other Western-paid mold.
        5. abdrah
          abdrah 26 March 2014 12: 19
          +28
          ICE - "Wherever you spit, dependence on the US is everywhere. This is how Putin arranged the economy for us."

          -Yeah, Putin. Who else ...

          The cat left the kittens.
          This is Putin's fault.
          The hare was thrown by the mistress.
          Guilty Guess!

          Here ends the board
          The poor bull.
          Our Tanya is crying loudly.
          Near Putin, not otherwise.

          The light went out, the fence fell,
          The car stalled motor
          Healthy tooth removed
          Ile climbed into the apartment thief
          Did not like the movie,
          You have come to r ... but.
          Any cataclysm
          One explanation:

          Every democrat knows
          This is Putin's fault!
          1. michelle
            michelle 28 March 2014 23: 30
            +1
            grade rhyme !!! laughing
          2. Vadim12
            Vadim12 30 March 2014 21: 39
            0
            Class! copy, troll Bandera in OK wink
        6. Corsair0304
          Corsair0304 26 March 2014 13: 36
          +13
          And you would not go. No need to hang on all dogs' GDP. Maybe not seven spans in the forehead, and for his entire period he didn’t give a shred of Russian land, the West sends out at intervals, the army has now begun to raise it. What is not enough?
          Name a worthy candidate who will solve all the problems at once and I’ll absolutely say with certainty that you are lying, since in such a diverse country like Russia, no one can solve the problem.
          1. I read the news
            I read the news 26 March 2014 13: 45
            .
            for his entire period he did not give a piece of Russian land

            And the island to the Chinese? Forgot already?
            1. Corsair0304
              Corsair0304 26 March 2014 14: 03
              +4
              So what about the area, geographical and strategic importance? Maybe minerals are unmeasured? The value of the island?

              Although - yes, I forgot. Here: http: //voprosik.net/pochemu-kitayu-otdali-ostrova-na-amure/ describes in detail the history of territorial disputes between Russia and China on this subject.

              Politics besides the fact that a dirty thing, like chess, must be conceded in something, in order to subsequently return a hundredfold.
              1. nik.tmn72
                nik.tmn72 26 March 2014 21: 00
                -8
                do you think you need to get rid of all the regions of Russia that are not donors? then will be RENEWED? THAN?!!!
            2. Zeus
              Zeus 26 March 2014 18: 47
              +7
              We did not give the island to the Chinese. According to the terms of the agreement with China, the border passed along the fairway of the river, at the conclusion of the contract, the island was on our side of the fairway, but then the course changed the channel and the island became on the other side - in China. A new treaty was concluded that ties the border at that location to geographical coordinates. So more natural phenomena on the border will not affect. And you, before copying from other places unverified information, check it first. And somehow it’s not decent, a lie to write.
              1. nik.tmn72
                nik.tmn72 26 March 2014 21: 16
                +2
                Also, Russia ratified the agreement with Norway on the Barents Sea (not in our favor).
                46 thousand sq. Km of the Russian shelf of the Bering Sea in favor of the United States.
                THIS IS ONLY THAT KNOWN !!!
                1. Evil rabbit
                  Evil rabbit 27 March 2014 17: 03
                  -1
                  Sorry, but these contracts were signed by Mr. Medvedev D.A.
                  1. Cynic
                    Cynic 27 March 2014 19: 51
                    +1
                    Quote: Angry Rabbit
                    These contracts were signed by Mr. Medvedev D.A.

                    So what ?
                    International treaties were signed that were not geographically advantageous for Russia.
                    Dear you live in a fairy tale or cruel reality?
                    You can’t get anything without giving something in return!
                  2. Snoop
                    Snoop 30 March 2014 14: 59
                    0
                    Ahh it was)) On TV swore that there was nothing of value there. Now it turns out there is))) Oil ...
                2. Cynic
                  Cynic 27 March 2014 19: 40
                  0
                  Quote: nik.tmn72
                  THIS IS ONLY THAT KNOWN !!!

                  I hope there is nothing sharp, cutting, shooting at your fingertips. Honestly, scared for the lives of others.
                  But in essence, you can’t believe in your sincerity, everything is played out like that, hysterically.
              2. 11111mail.ru
                11111mail.ru 27 March 2014 05: 44
                +1
                Quote: Zeus
                So more natural phenomena on the border will not affect.

                Comment on the situation with the concession to China of the river valley along the Tuman River (Tumananyan?). There, by which side did China take priority?
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 27 March 2014 19: 52
                  +2
                  Quote: 11111mail.ru
                  Comment on

                  It is better to be one who gives without demanding anything in return than to those who take without giving anything in return. For the first will be doubled, and the second will remain poor
                  1. 11111mail.ru
                    11111mail.ru 28 March 2014 00: 27
                    -2
                    Quote: Cynic
                    It is better to be one who gives without demanding anything in return than to those who take without giving anything in return.

                    No territories are enough for your charity.
                    Quote: Cynic
                    For the first will be doubled, and the second will remain poor

                    Point to the altruist, whom you mean (doubled, at whose expense? Your assets). Try to give a course of lectures on the topic you have indicated somewhere in Israel, preferably with practical implementation of what is stated in the part concerning double returns (do not offer mat, drool, stool, urine, penduli).
                    1. Cynic
                      Cynic 28 March 2014 09: 23
                      0
                      Quote: 11111mail.ru
                      No territories are enough for your charity.

                      On mine ? Enough for mine! I know the recipe

                      Quote: 11111mail.ru
                      with the practical implementation of the part regarding double recoil (mat, ...

                      So you already have practical experience.

                      Seriously, such questions are akin to waving fists after a fight.
                      After all, one can find an explanation for any act, in this case, the simplest _ present-day Russia is far from CCCP, to which almost any creeps into its territory were parallel.
                      But, by the way, I want to note _ Why everyone is so interested in these concessions to Russia, and they are silent in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk to resolve the issue, in favor of Russia!
                      But even the USSR had to reckon with international law and endure even yusovskie ships there, etc.
                      I am silent about the border to the North Pole, it is not difficult to draw, it is difficult to confirm.
          2. nik.tmn72
            nik.tmn72 26 March 2014 20: 50
            -5
            Sorry, and 350m2 transferred to China, even a piece of shit can not be called? so it’s you lying !!!
            1. Containers
              Containers 26 March 2014 21: 58
              +2
              Can. Or it can be considered as a good faith fulfillment by Russia of its treaty obligations. Well, who is to blame that there was such a contract? What is Putin too? Ah, it turns out - no ... And who then? "Ta-daaaam!" 91 years old. Liberal's idol, Misha Mechenyi, appears on the stage. An unexpected turn of events (s)
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            3. alexng
              alexng 28 March 2014 13: 12
              0
              A huge clo-o-ocheletk earth 350 m2 or 35 * 10 meters. request
        7. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 26 March 2014 13: 53
          +9
          Quote: ICE
          Wherever you spit everywhere is dependence on the United States. That's how Putin arranged the economy for us.

          such an economy was arranged for us by Yeltsin, Gaidar, Nemtsov, Kasyanov, Khakamada, Gref ...
          familiar surnames?
          1. nik.tmn72
            nik.tmn72 26 March 2014 21: 25
            -5
            What? Yeltsin, the great and dignified pres ... t, in his honor in Russia they call streets, squares, erect monuments !!!
            The authorities praise Yeltsin as an idol who has indicated the road to democracy (THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE CURVED).
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 27 March 2014 19: 56
              0
              Quote: nik.tmn72
              What? Yeltsin the great and dignified ...

              And then Ostap suffered!

        8. lana044
          lana044 26 March 2014 14: 48
          +16
          Well, of course! .. As without Putin. I agree, perhaps, that Putin is to blame for the fact that Russia regained the title of world power, regained the Army, Navy and respect for its own people. And now also returns finance. This is Putin's fault! )))
          1. comprochikos
            comprochikos 27 March 2014 15: 22
            +2
            Exactly, Putin’s regime is to blame. Such a regime is better than a shitty leadership, for example, gouging Hollande or Sarkozy (these are finally empty space). If Putin’s regime is even a little closer to the regime of Peter the Great (when the whole of Europe .. was there, and embezzlers were put to stake, etc.), I will be a happy person. fellow
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 28 March 2014 09: 35
              +1
              Quote: comprochikos
              Putin at least a little closer to the regime of Peter the Great

              But about him it is not necessary, it hurts already in the history of Russia, the figure is ambiguous.
              Joseph Vissarionovich needed a Great Country, so they remembered Alexander Nevsky, Ivan the Terrible and Peter I did not forget.
              Judging should not be based on movies and TV shows, but on historical documents.
              And there the picture is still the same, as if his sister were no more correct.
              But, the story is not subjunctive.
        9. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov 26 March 2014 15: 33
          +4
          Quote: ICE
          That's how Putin arranged the economy for us.

          Who is "you"?
          Your horse’s ravine in the ravine ... gnaw down!
          Hurry, you won’t get it!
        10. nik.tmn72
          nik.tmn72 26 March 2014 20: 22
          -5
          the whole country was sold by the damned bourgeois!
        11. Yasondinalt
          Yasondinalt 27 March 2014 10: 30
          0
          Yes. Now everywhere you spit it’s Makarevich, then ICE, then hakamada, now Novodvorskaya. However!. How many of you crawled divorced.
        12. lukewarm
          lukewarm 28 March 2014 12: 37
          +1
          You mu $ ak. I’ll tell you a secret - he’s also staring at your doorway at night.
        13. Vadim12
          Vadim12 30 March 2014 21: 35
          0
          no, Putin has to rake the kaku left to us after the hunchback and the fight.
      4. aksakal
        aksakal 27 March 2014 00: 14
        +8
        Quote: brelok
        Long overdue!
        - and I am already beginning to infuriate this "reactionary", until the roasted cock pecked in the ass! am So, in order. The ban on the adoption of Russian orphans was introduced in the form of a reaction to the "Magnitsky list". Before that, they did not know what they were doing with adopted Russians in American families? A criminal case against Sashko Muzychko, who recently suffered a well-deserved end, was opened only after his hyperactive participation in the anti-Russian Maidan. Didn't they know before that Bilyi committed crimes in Russia? Or can this be forgiven until the moment of political necessity? And what is the law? Really drawbar? Here and here - what were they waiting for? Until a cock bites you like that? And one fine day, this cockerel will not bite completely deadly?
        And yet - I am very interested to know, here I am quoting the SABG: "Is it because the American administration really “had a heart-to-heart talk” with the Russian authorities in 2010 so that the two sacred cows for the USA in the form of VISA and MasterCard would remain intact in the space from Kaliningrad to the Kuril Islands? And after all, such a version no longer looks conspiracy-based, based on the fact that information about a kind of request from an employee of the American embassy surfaced thanks to WikiLeaks about 4 years ago."- who exactly conducted these negotiations with the American administration on this issue? What reasons did he have to give the Americans a positive answer - not to touch these American payment systems? Or were the Americans involved any forms of motivation? Which ones? Why are the most interesting moments in How can they handle such articles very smoothly and technically? So the author of SABJ, seemingly brave comrade Volodin, very smoothly bypasses this issue, beautifully bypasses it, like, SABJ is about something else, and this is a separate topic ... No , not a separate topic. People have suffered losses from the actions of VISA and MasterCard - each suffered a small loss, but the victims - millions! This is the negotiator from the Russian side, endowed with powers, must now be held accountable. Just like the general that " slaughtered the "" active armor ":" Stick around the tank with explosives? !!! Yes, I will ...! ". They will tell me - the affairs of bygone days! I DO NOT AGREE! We are for those who, at the moment, at this very second, deliberately make a mistake - he should know, by the example of these, that an inevitable reckoning will await him for his mistake.
    2. Canep
      Canep 26 March 2014 08: 26
      +43
      Belarusians have their own payment system, the Chinese also, and they have the largest in the world, I think in EAC you need to create an independent payment system, with access to a visa, a master card, and China UnionPay.
      1. SSR
        SSR 26 March 2014 08: 46
        +29
        I hope that I will collect, VTB and (I do not remember) give the FAS command and the PRO 100 will rush off
        1. PN
          PN 26 March 2014 09: 56
          +16
          My wife has already received UEC, mine is not ready yet. But with pro100, it’s not so simple either, it’s not tricky to slap cards, but where to shove them? There are no ATMs yet.
          1. WedVolga
            WedVolga 26 March 2014 12: 11
            +14
            I received the UEC card at the end of last year, it is serviced at all ATMs of Sberbank without a fee, because it’s the Sberbank project. Moreover, it’s convenient for her to use the State Services website, at least get the same passport without leaving her home. Her only minus , is that there is no possibility to conduct Internet transactions on it yet, but I think that this is a matter of time.
          2. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 26 March 2014 13: 57
            +8
            Quote: PN
            But with 100, it’s not so simple either, it’s not tricky to slap cards, but where to shove them? There are no ATMs yet.

            in my opinion, the main problem is not in ATMs, this is a matter of technology and a couple of months ...
            the main problem is in payments abroad ... we certainly laugh that we go to the cordon only if we really need it and only on the tank ...

            but I really don’t envy people who at the time of blocking turned out to be abroad ...
            this is an indescribable feeling, when you understand that there is no money ... you can believe me, I somehow ate an ATM in Latvia with a card ...
            1. nik.tmn72
              nik.tmn72 26 March 2014 21: 36
              -1
              Interestingly, of the 140 million inhabitants of Russia, which one hundredth or one thousandth part goes for a cardon?
              especially pensioners care about paying with cards!
          3. dmitriygorshkov
            dmitriygorshkov 26 March 2014 15: 41
            +4
            Quote: PN
            There are no ATMs yet.

            Re-flashing an ATM is a trifling matter, especially if nationwide!
        2. Uncle
          Uncle 26 March 2014 12: 40
          +2
          Quote: SSR
          I hope that I will collect, VTB and (I do not remember) give the FAS command and the PRO 100 will rush off

          Glazier said that within 2 weeks can be introduced. 2 weeks and good bye America!
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 26 March 2014 08: 54
        +13
        Quote: Canep
        need to create an independent payment system
        Right.
        Quote: Canep
        with visa, master card, and China UnionPay.
        This problem can only be solved by appropriate treaties between national governments.
        Quote: SSR
        I hope that I will collect, VTB and (I do not remember) give the FAS command and the PRO 100 will rush off
        Of course they can, if they agree who will pay for it. About 400 billion rubles are needed for the full implementation.
        1. Canep
          Canep 26 March 2014 09: 31
          +8
          Quote: baltika-18
          About 400 billion rubles are needed for full implementation.
          This is exactly the money that Ukraine did not get. (roughly 10 lard)
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 26 March 2014 09: 53
            .
            Quote: Canep
            This is exactly the money that Ukraine did not get. (roughly 10 lard)
            If that money went to Ukraine, Ukraine would go to us. And now, thanks to various tweaks and injections, we will lose here and there, and all this will go on increasing. Losses and increasing expenses with falling incomes. The aim of the organizers of this action is apparently this. b. Our economy, let's say honestly stagnating now, has overtaken. It’s not good.
            1. Walk
              Walk 26 March 2014 10: 51
              +29
              Ukraine got Russian money for many years. Only now, Russia did not see gratitude from her. But with this money an ideology of hatred for everything Russian was implanted. Ukraine, including with this money, has grown a whole generation of fascist bastards. So let them now live without the help of Muscovites.
              1. Turkir
                Turkir 26 March 2014 18: 30
                +2
                And without Russian gas.
              2. Vadim12
                Vadim12 30 March 2014 21: 47
                0
                I completely agree with you, once recently on YouTube I wrote a similar statement that they cut TU-160 with Amer’s money, one from the east wrote to me that not everyone there is so bad, they still have normal people in eastern Ukraine. Here is such a difficult case ... to give the East Nizi to Natsik
            2. Altor86
              Altor86 26 March 2014 12: 25
              +3
              I put you +, but I went out. Funny, huh?
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              2. siberalt
                siberalt 26 March 2014 12: 40
                +2
                It happens. Just with your click, you summed up the total number of voters previously.
            3. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 26 March 2014 13: 59
              +2
              Quote: baltika-18
              The goal of the organizers of this action seems to be this: that our economy, let's say honestly in stagnation now, has overtaken. This is not good.

              ahhh, it's all gone !!!
              "the plaster is removed, the client leaves" (c)
        2. kartalovkolya
          kartalovkolya 26 March 2014 09: 31
          +31
          For services, a visa and a mastercard receive $ 4 billion annually, multiply by the course and get 160-180 billion rubles, and you ask "Who will pay?", And they will pay off! It will pay off in 2-2,5 years, and let them calculate their losses !
        3. edissson
          edissson 26 March 2014 10: 00
          +7
          and how much money the money flow will bring, the deposits in banks are domestic, but the FAS team needs to be on top - otherwise it is bad to push your system at all levels.
        4. nerd.su
          nerd.su 26 March 2014 10: 03
          +4
          Quote: baltika-18
          Of course they can, if they agree who will pay for it. About 400 billion rubles are needed for the full implementation.

          If there is an unambiguous indication from above, then they will quickly agree.
        5. Fin
          Fin 26 March 2014 11: 22
          +2
          Quote: baltika-18
          About 400 billion rubles are needed for full implementation.

          Where does this amount come from?
        6. Corsair0304
          Corsair0304 26 March 2014 14: 13
          +2
          Where does such a figure of 400 mrd come from? rubles ??
      3. edissson
        edissson 26 March 2014 09: 56
        +5
        Are we red? Now there is at least a reason to realize the financial independence of the citizens of the Russian Federation from the United States.
      4. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 26 March 2014 10: 03
        +4
        You need to create an independent payment system, with access to a visa, a master card, and China UnionPay.
        It’s necessary to beat these ... for the most sick - for money.
      5. Warlock_r
        Warlock_r 26 March 2014 10: 53
        +8
        At one time, we had an excellent Union Card payment system. with an exit to the visa and the master. Even common outside the Russian Federation. Then, in about 2000, they spat out with Visa and the system fell into decay.
        So you don’t even need to create it, it is. And with more experience / fewer shoals than what the Sber has collected.
        In addition, there is also an STB-card, Golden Crown, NCC ...
        Well, what a bicycle to invent?
      6. Corsair0304
        Corsair0304 26 March 2014 14: 09
        +5
        China UnionPay is also not ice. Do not forget that even though we are friends with them now, there are 1,5 billion people on the border. And they have no living space a priori. Someday there will still be an attempt by the Chinese to intervene in Russia in one form or another. So why support a potential "partner"?
        Its own national currency, its own national payment system, which will have to be taken over the hill so that tourists have no problems. Like this.
        1. Vadim12
          Vadim12 30 March 2014 21: 52
          0
          I think they won’t go to war, they’ll just buy up everything that is possible with us. As our citizens in Latvia - and it is necessary to conquer, half already belong to the Russians. Therefore, with China you need to keep your eyes open.
    3. albi77
      albi77 26 March 2014 08: 43
      +32
      he would still get rid of the liberals Novodvorskaya, Yavlinsky, Nemtsov and other shellon.
      1. Berkut-UA
        Berkut-UA 26 March 2014 09: 02
        +18
        Buy a tour package for them all - Around Europe.
        Final stop - Paris and back is not possible to return.

        They wanted Europe - even a mustache * u, and the country will become calmer.
        1. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn 26 March 2014 09: 27
          +3
          On the Kola Peninsula, I would find them beautiful places, with excellent ecology, also Europe, by the way.
          1. mamont5
            mamont5 26 March 2014 09: 36
            +11
            Quote: nov_tech.vrn
            On the Kola Peninsula, I would find them beautiful places, with great ecology,

            Well, why pollute the environment?
            1. ty60
              ty60 30 March 2014 12: 57
              +1
              Now the Novaya Zemlya is being re-arranged. There are just not enough qualified personnel there. Issue USB tents, potbelly stoves. Let them bring firewood with them.
          2. Noctis
            Noctis 26 March 2014 09: 57
            +2
            let them master, expand the terrain for bases on the Novosibirsk islands. at least some benefit from them will be
          3. edissson
            edissson 26 March 2014 10: 01
            +6
            Let them come to us in Chukotka, there are many places, few people.
            1. igor.borov775
              igor.borov775 26 March 2014 10: 52
              +5
              Quote: Standard Oil
              I still do not understand, along the way, are there any difficulties with creating your own payment system? Or are all these "problems" just in the imagination of the liberoids sold to Americans at our top?

              Absolutely correctly think, Practically all of this was imposed on us, and the smallest steps to the side were chopped off, Like financing, That’s how everything that could compete was brought down, Despite the fact that the state in the person of the Ministry of Finance played games in these games, They only began to sort out the great watchman Kudrin how it all happens, but the system has long taken the course to stop it is extremely difficult, but there are successes, you don’t listen that the nat system can be quickly led, The problem is in the laws, I’ve never heard of huge investments for adopting the system, On the contrary, all bankers say that it’s easy to carry out this political will
            2. mojohed2012
              mojohed2012 26 March 2014 12: 11
              0
              The new national system of bank card circulation is a chance to avoid a further jump in data on bank customers in Russia.
          4. Corsair0304
            Corsair0304 26 March 2014 14: 24
            0
            And what sunrises and sunsets !!! wink
      2. oldy
        oldy 26 March 2014 09: 38
        +19
        Makarevich now let on solids give on maydan and maybe on ukrTV again he will become- :))))?
        1. I do not care
          I do not care 26 March 2014 10: 02
          +39
          Quote: oldy
          Makarevich let now on the Maidan gives solo
        2. msd
          msd 26 March 2014 11: 47
          +5
          Quote: oldy
          Makarevich now let on solids give on maydan and maybe on ukrTV again he will become- :))))?

          write like that - makarevich
      3. Walk
        Walk 26 March 2014 10: 57
        +5
        Unfortunately, they will not leave. They are paid money to crap here. And nobody needs them there. Therefore, to determine their location on one of the Novosibirsk islands. Keep in touch with sponsors only through migratory birds.
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 27 March 2014 19: 47
          0
          Quote: Walk
          on one of the Novosibirsk islands.

          No, no need to be cruel, let's send Queen Maud to Land. Still, much to the south, and we will not pollute our islands!
      4. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 26 March 2014 15: 50
        +1
        Quote: albi77
        he would still get rid of the liberals Novodvorskaya, Yavlinsky, Nemtsov and other shellon.

        This is the question of the justice of the proverbs. There is this: - Threshing floor does not sink!
        About 30 thousand (!) We lose a year in road accidents, icicles, all sorts of "bricks on the head";
        Well g ... the citizen does not take!
        Maybe again, according to a proverb: -Be hoping for God, and the liberal at ... oh, sorry, distracted repeat
    4. Stalnov I.P.
      Stalnov I.P. 26 March 2014 08: 44
      +38
      I would still like to find out the names of those who sabotaged the creation of a unified national payment system and how many greens they received for sabotage, a request to the FSB and the Prosecutor's Office, I ask you to announce the entire list of persons involved in this and what measures were taken to them, the Russian people should know "their" heroes in the face.
      1. zao74
        zao74 26 March 2014 09: 13
        +2
        And in response, as always silence ... (((
      2. baltika 3
        baltika 3 26 March 2014 09: 20
        +3
        Yes 1000% First Dimon
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 26 March 2014 14: 11
          0
          Quote: baltika 3
          Yes 1000% First Dimon

          That's why he is the first minister.
        2. Vadim12
          Vadim12 30 March 2014 21: 59
          0
          16000kg iPhone hand held!
      3. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 26 March 2014 10: 08
        +6
        And you would not want to know who, during the time of Yeltsin, organized the issuance of pensions by the military through Sberbank and what interest he still raises. In 1990, I received the pension of the Moscow Region in the Treasury, and now in the semi-private Sberbank. Here they are sabotaging (and Gref with Kudrin including)!
      4. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 26 March 2014 10: 12
        +1
        Quotation: I.P.
        I would still like to find out the names of those who sabotaged the creation of a unified national payment system and how many greens they received for sabotage, a request to the FSB and the Prosecutor's Office, I ask you to announce the entire list of persons involved in this and what measures were taken to them, the Russian people should know "their" heroes in the face.

        It’s never been a long story and Hunchback gave a start, and after that it’s a matter of technology,
      5. Karabin
        Karabin 26 March 2014 14: 10
        +1
        Quote: I.P. Stalnov.
        the Russian people should know "their" heroes by sight.

        The people have seen them every day in the zombies for many years. And he will see further. Oh, how many miraculous discoveries are for us, preparing sanctions **** spirit.
    5. AVV
      AVV 26 March 2014 08: 50
      +4
      Quote: W1950
      Everything is fine, we will begin to get rid of liberal ideas. We turn to the regime of self-sufficiency.

      It is high time, yesterday, and still need to figure out who lobbied the interests of the States and pay what they deserve !!!
    6. shibi
      shibi 26 March 2014 09: 13
      +13
      Keep money in the BANK!
      1. Sea snake
        Sea snake 26 March 2014 09: 19
        0
        Quote: sibi
        Keep money in a glass jar!


        wink
        1. shibi
          shibi 26 March 2014 09: 25
          +3
          This bank is still in Yandex vaults.
          Here is only her image ... hi
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      3. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 26 March 2014 15: 54
        +1
        Quote: sibi
        Keep money in the BANK!

        And dig a jar deeper!
    7. Andrey57
      Andrey57 26 March 2014 09: 18
      +2
      It should be noted that talk about the introduction of a full-fledged national payment system in Russia has been going on for a long time, but in fact the matter did not go beyond the talk.

      The fact is that the national settlement system was almost ready, the first thing that s.u.s.a. , this person very much succeeded. am
      1. Ivan Petrovich
        Ivan Petrovich 26 March 2014 09: 48
        +3
        was the president aware or not? but did he appoint her?
      2. Turkir
        Turkir 26 March 2014 18: 37
        +1
        Nabiullina is an ordinary accountant. For what merit has become before the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, I can’t imagine.
        And the functions of the Central Bank are very, very doubtful.
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 27 March 2014 19: 50
          +1
          Quote: Turkir
          Nabiullina -

          M.N.Zadornov answered about her ... Watch Ren-TV /
    8. edissson
      edissson 26 March 2014 09: 54
      0
      It is high time)
    9. Klepa
      Klepa 26 March 2014 10: 21
      +22
      I fully support the rejection of Western payment systems, but I believe that this is not the main problem. You can safely do without credit cards. But remember why in the West one crisis follows another: a lifestyle on credit. Everything is bought on credit: houses, cars, household appliances, even dresses and underpants! People are sure that you can live in a slum, but once shine in a diamond necklace at a social gathering. It's horrible. And this psychology has been aggressively instilled in the Western brain since the 30s. Thank God, it’s not so widespread here yet. But that’s exactly what I think the main threat to the economy with which to fight. People must live within their means: if you can’t buy something now, it’s better to dig in or increase your income. Easy money does not exist.
      1. edissson
        edissson 26 March 2014 12: 14
        0
        But this is not necessary - about the loan. A loan is an opportunity with a clear planned payment in the future to have something now. Of course, you need to know your strengths and capabilities in order not to fall into debt dependence.
      2. Sledgehammer
        Sledgehammer 26 March 2014 12: 23
        0
        I agree in many ways, it’s enough to see how many ads are coming from banks,
        loans are now popularly not popular, but I think that some types of loans
        just necessary for study, mortgages, the purchase of a car. The main thing is that banks
        did not put out predatory interest or intentionally did not lend to people with high risks of not paying them.
        1. Klepa
          Klepa 26 March 2014 12: 55
          +3
          Purchasing a home is a waste. A person cannot live without a roof over his head. But with the same study there are a bunch of options. For example, there is a state program in which a student sends a request to the state indicating the university and the specialty where he wants to study, and the state attaches it to a specific company that pays for the student’s education and receives an employee in his person at the end of the university for 5-7 years. And the student is good (payment + 100% employment) and the company. (I know firsthand about the program: my nephew participates in it).
        2. Turkir
          Turkir 26 March 2014 18: 45
          +2
          Debts are bad and good.
          Buy a car ...
          An interesting example. I quote from the memory of R. Kiosaki:
          Rich dad asks R.K. "Why don't I have my own car, but use the services of a hired chauffeur. As soon as I buy a car and leave the store, the car loses 20% of its value. Rich people buy assets, poor liabilities."
          1. Containers
            Containers 27 March 2014 00: 11
            0
            No need to buy a car? Or should I buy only used ones? And then who is poor? The one who does not think about the novelty and loss of 20%, or the one who saves 20%? And, here is the trouble. For some reason, rich people always have their own cars. Somehow does not fit, no?
            Kiosaki is a very controversial comrade. But his books are very much in demand in a consumer society, this cannot be taken away.
      3. Yasondinalt
        Yasondinalt 27 March 2014 10: 34
        0
        We, I think, also instilled such thoughts. Now people live more on credit than before.
      4. both s69
        both s69 27 March 2014 11: 22
        +1
        Quote: Klepa
        People must live within their means: if you can’t buy something now, it’s better to dig in or increase your income. Easy money does not exist.


        Absolutely agree! A loan is a financial hook, an attempt by a financier to play on the man in the street's immoderate passion for money, a bait, with its instant, in fact, availability enticing a person to move to a higher level of consumption, and therefore life, at a time when he does not have (or almost has no) objective opportunity to rise to this level. What's the bottom line? Kabbalah, to a greater or lesser extent (depending on the percentages - they are "human" or "inhuman"). Extremely succinct and slightly exaggerated: Credit is a deception (lie) on the part of the "giver", and the provocation of deception (lies) on the part of the "receiver". hi
    10. INVESTOR
      INVESTOR 26 March 2014 11: 08
      +1
      Clear. This is all good. But what about the SWIFT system of international settlements ??? Cards issued within the framework of the NPS of Russia will be valid only on the territory of the Russian Federation without connecting to again the American SWIFT. That is, withdrawing money from an ATM or making payment by bank transfer will not work abroad. On this issue is much broader.
      1. Klepa
        Klepa 26 March 2014 12: 09
        +6
        And often do you go abroad and pay with a credit card? As far as I remember, I always took cash in business trips and on vacation. And something tells me that most do. Credit cards either pay for goods from abroad on the Internet, being here in Russia, or they simply transfer the salary.
        In any case, you need to choose between personal momentary convenience and the independence of the economy.
        1. INVESTOR
          INVESTOR 27 March 2014 12: 03
          0
          Dear Klepa SWIFT, this is not just credit cards, it is a system of international payments, if it is blocked for us like Iran, then we as a state will not be able to pay with other states, and they are with us, it’s paralysis of the economy. Or cash in suitcases will be settled with partners ???
      2. Containers
        Containers 27 March 2014 00: 14
        +1
        It's simple. They are closing us the opportunity to pay with cards from them, we ask them to buy oil / gas / other things from us for rubles. (Not to mention how much visa / mk will lose) And ... "Ta-daaaam!" nobody forbids us to pay. =)
    11. Klepa
      Klepa 26 March 2014 11: 30
      +3
      Quote: W1950
      Everything is fine, we will begin to get rid of liberal ideas. We turn to the regime of self-sufficiency.

      Regarding liberal ideas: these fucking liberals killed another 4 lions. Two of them were 10 month old cubs. I propose maliciously boycotting the west in all directions.
      Here with * ki, and they will tell us something about liberal values? !!!! angry
    12. _Forgiven_
      _Forgiven_ 26 March 2014 11: 43
      +5
      And I think this is correct, given the situation in the world. Since such they are greedy for sanctions - to abandon all the bourgeois and develop their own. And then see how they will simultaneously spit saliva from annoyance
    13. Ross
      Ross 26 March 2014 12: 58
      +4
      The Visa Issue and the Master Card are only part of the picture. It is the total global control of the United States, of which payment systems are a part. Just imagine how difficult it is to think over any opposition to our state, with so many leaks, in favor of the NSA, the CIA and other intelligence services?
    14. ele1285
      ele1285 26 March 2014 13: 06
      +21
      Quote: W1950
      Everything is fine, we will begin to get rid of liberal ideas.
    15. petrT
      petrT 26 March 2014 22: 18
      0
      So such a thing has been asking for a long time. They don’t want to live humanly, let grandmas lose, don’t get over their heads, they will reach through the ass!
    16. timer
      timer 26 March 2014 23: 18
      0
      Full authorship is bullshit. And selective is 100% reality for the Russian Federation!
      For several years I wrote in comments on the topic of American payment systems — this is a very dangerous addiction! We must introduce our own system. The fact that this system has not been implemented so far in Russia suggests that the enemies of Russia who are in our government feel very good !! Our financial system is completely dependent on America. I do not see Putin’s desire to break this dependence. And This fact (not the only incidental one) leads me to the idea that it is one with the enemies of Russia.
  2. builder
    builder 26 March 2014 08: 06
    +41
    I love this fried bird so much)))) Until it pecks, nothing is done in Russia ....
    1. I do not care
      I do not care 26 March 2014 10: 14
      +20
      Putin sits in front of the TV and without ceasing calls to Shoigu or the head of intelligence / counterintelligence: - Order Tyagnibok for the abolition of the Russian language! How so - not our agent ?! Order of Yarosh for the idea of ​​undermining a gas pipeline! What does it mean - it's not us, it's him ?! Is this Lyashko? And these nerds from Freedom - Miroshnichenko and others? Are there any of our agents there ?! What does it mean - they bought a wagon of popcorn and a beer tank and look at what is happening like a movie ???? !!!! Irritatedly hung up the phone and flicked a selector: - Beer to me. And popcorn. And a live broadcast from Ukraine. I looked. He dialed the number again: - Why didn’t they save Muzychko?
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 26 March 2014 10: 19
      0
      Quote: stroitel
      I love this fried bird so much)))) Until it pecks, nothing is done in Russia.
      So it is so. Only ordinary people are puffed up for the tricks of the "fried bird". what
  3. torrr38_41
    torrr38_41 26 March 2014 08: 08
    +18
    It is high time to give up greenery, which is not provided with anything except the "law" and even then not ours.
    1. maxxdesign
      maxxdesign 26 March 2014 08: 30
      +14
      I never bought, I didn’t take into account my salary, I didn’t take these green toilet paper as a gift ... if fortune throws a crumpled dollar bill I will take it to the nearest exchanger and exchange it for ours, even if it’s wooden, but OUR!
      1. soaring
        soaring 26 March 2014 11: 41
        0
        Similarly !!! maxxdesign you ++++++++++
        good drinks
      2. Vadim12
        Vadim12 30 March 2014 22: 04
        0
        I agree! the best option.
    2. bif
      bif 26 March 2014 08: 35
      0
      Quote: torrr38_41
      It is high time to give up greenery, which is not provided with anything except the "law" and even then not ours.

      It is secured not by law, but by dozens of AUG, the presence of which does not allow creditors to demand debts from a bankrupt and start paying for hydrocarbons in national currency or gold. Everyone is waiting for the initiator, Russia has, as always, the role of the "first" violin in this orchestra.
    3. oldy
      oldy 26 March 2014 09: 41
      +4
      In my Omsk bank with foreign capital there is a certain amount - I’ll go and take the master card $$$ and transfer it to rubles and take it to my native Sberbank where I have a retirement visa - her mother -) !!! PRO100 let's get GREF faster !!!!!!!
      1. WedVolga
        WedVolga 26 March 2014 12: 21
        +4
        PRO100 already exists, you can order a UEC card without problems at least today at Sberbank, it’s only been poorly promoted to the masses, I think the process will now go.
  4. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov 26 March 2014 08: 08
    +3
    Yusovtsy only scare the financial system with a doklady — our ALREADY do their own thing. The bottom line is the financial losses of the United States, with a constant increase, as coverage by independent payment systems increases
    1. Noctis
      Noctis 26 March 2014 10: 02
      +2
      geometric progression piece)
  5. paul1992
    paul1992 26 March 2014 08: 08
    +15
    better late than never ... thanks Obama for that laughing
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    2. sscha
      sscha 26 March 2014 08: 26
      +6
      And make Obamka's face with the PRO100 logo, call the card itself - "Baramka"! So we pay tribute to Barack for his policy, which awakened self-awareness in us !!! laughing hi
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 26 March 2014 11: 03
        +12
        And make Obamka's face as the PRO100 logo, [/ quote]
    3. zao74
      zao74 26 March 2014 09: 15
      +5
      It is high time for Obama to give "Hero of Russia". soldier
      1. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 26 March 2014 16: 03
        +2
        Quote: zao74
        It is high time for Obama to give "Hero of Russia".

        And better posthumously!
  6. domokl
    domokl 26 March 2014 08: 10
    +23
    It’s time to remove from the Russian economy everything that can be blocked or used against us. Putin was right when he forbade government officials and deputies to have accounts in foreign banks ... This vision of him has played into our hands now ...
    It seems to me that before the appearance of the Russian payment system, there were days rather than months left ... And this is well known in the USA ...
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 26 March 2014 08: 28
      +7
      Quote: domokl
      It seems to me that before the advent of the Russian payment system, it was not months, but days ...

      Alexander, so there is already "Golden Crown", just not so popular.
      Zolotaya Korona is a leading payment system operating in Russia and the CIS countries (www.zolotayakorona.ru). The payment system includes two services: Zolotaya Korona - Bank Card, the participants of which issue and acquire bank cards and the Zolotaya Korona - Money Transfers service, which provides money transfer services without opening a bank account.
      1. edissson
        edissson 26 March 2014 10: 14
        +1
        But UEC can be promoted with PRO100, then you can log in with UEC on the government services website, though in my opinion Sberbank is the one that shuts it down, and other large banks must be given access to this service.
      2. Turkir
        Turkir 26 March 2014 18: 48
        0
        And who is the owner of the card with such a magnificent name. Enlighten.
        I really don’t know.
    2. Berkut-UA
      Berkut-UA 26 March 2014 09: 16
      +11
      1. Just GDP always knows what he is talking about, in the margin of other politicians.
      He foresaw that there could be such an option as happened in Ukraine,
      when the states and Europe took for the gills not only the oligarchs but also Yanyka.
      Remember how he was threatened from across the hill so that he would not allow the dispersal of "peaceful" Maydauns.

      2. You can’t even imagine what hysteria will be in the states if Russia has an independent payment system.
      If now we are only talking about the failure of the plan to capture the Black Sea with all the
      and of course nobody will fight because of this

      That ... withdrawal from circulation of a lot of money - it is MUCH more serious, you can imagine cham.
      And for this, the states can take revenge .... until the war.
      1. domokl
        domokl 26 March 2014 10: 30
        +7
        Quote: Berkut-UA
        That ... withdrawal from circulation of a lot of money - it is MUCH more serious, you can imagine cham.
        And for this, the states can take revenge .... until the war.

        We understand this very well ... by the way, what are states talking about 136 billion? Where did they disappear7
        Abama just pushes Putin to take some kind of step ... And the payment system is just a hint ...
      2. sled beach
        sled beach 26 March 2014 11: 58
        +1
        Obese cattle are not able to fight.
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      4. Cherdak
        Cherdak 26 March 2014 14: 30
        +2
        Quote: Berkut-UA
        GDP always knows what he is talking about

        But there is another "pillar of society" - here he, like a "maltsik", reports to Ambassador John Byerly, who openly declared: "This bill continues to adversely affect US Visa and MasterCard payment card market leaders, whether they join the national payment card system or not. If they join, the NSPK operator will charge a fee, leaving them a processing fee only when the cardholders travel abroad - a tiny part of the market. If they do not join, but prefer to compete with NSPK cards, they will be obliged to create payment processing centers in Russia, which in itself is a very large investment, and compete with a system that is likely to be supported by the largest state-owned banks in Russia."
      5. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 26 March 2014 16: 05
        +1
        Quote: Berkut-UA
        That ... withdrawal from circulation of a lot of money - it is MUCH more serious, you can imagine cham.
        And for this, the states can take revenge .... until the war.

        A sound thought. And what do you suggest? Lie under them?
      6. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 27 March 2014 20: 00
        0
        Quote: Berkut-UA
        That ... withdrawal from circulation of a lot of money - it is MUCH more serious, you can imagine cham.

        You are wrong (that is, you are wrong about chopping off a monkey's tail at once and completely). The whole tsimes will be cut off in stages. First 5%, after a while ... well, let's say 15%, etc. until the client is completely "cured".
      7. Vadim12
        Vadim12 30 March 2014 22: 12
        0
        The states learned to fight well only with backward countries where there is no serious adversary. (and preferably drones). The sky of Russia for any American aircraft will be closed by the best in the world of air defense. Drones will become uncontrollable thanks to electronic warfare, which has already been proven in the Crimea. Some American general has already given an interview on this subject: http://warfiles.ru/show-51278-amerikanskie-generaly-schitayut-chto-amerika-ne-sp
        osobna-pobedit-rossiyu.html
  7. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 26 March 2014 08: 10
    +13
    All that is not being done is for the best .. All of these sanctions are only for the benefit of Russia. Losses will not be small, but everything will come back handsomely!
    1. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 26 March 2014 09: 28
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Losses will be not small, but everything will come back handsomely!

      Are you dear what losses of what, Our prestige will stop transferring billions for a small cardboard for good, Good loss, For our liberals the chain on which they sit is torn, By the way, before the Olympics in Sochi I looked at the box our payment systems and management systems that are easily installed , According to the assurances of our developers, these products are much cheaper and more secure, which is interesting even such a thing as withdrawing money at the end of 2012 when the money was withdrawn by scammers and the owners reported this to the bank with horror they’ve looked like they’ve been removed and long enough, Remember, They would have chopped off the ATM after receiving the owner’s SMS, When asked why they don’t have an answer, the simple market is busy for a long time and they don’t let newcomers in, and the banks themselves do not show interest, Other levers are needed, And this eparchy of another department, guess yourself three times,
  8. avkeys
    avkeys 26 March 2014 08: 14
    +16
    Just some cornucopia of good news lately! Let this white strip be much wider than black
    1. edissson
      edissson 26 March 2014 10: 16
      +5
      Like a foreman’s strip
  9. gandalf
    gandalf 26 March 2014 08: 17
    +17
    The next step is the nationalization of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.
    1. vel77
      vel77 26 March 2014 08: 24
      +26
      the next step is energy trading for rubles.
      1. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 26 March 2014 08: 37
        +1
        Long overdue!
      2. zao74
        zao74 26 March 2014 09: 17
        +3
        Better for gold ... IMHO. Although the ruble is not bad.))
    2. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 26 March 2014 08: 36
      +11
      Nationalization of the Central Bank is the first and foremost task! With what joy should our financial system be controlled by anyone? Especially our ENEMY! This is a hunchback burp with E.B.N.!
      1. edissson
        edissson 26 March 2014 10: 18
        0
        And who owns the Central Bank-state. Or is there someone’s share there?
    3. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 27 March 2014 20: 03
      0
      Quote: gandalf
      The next step is the nationalization of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation

      What I said in the comments somewhere about two weeks ago, but I got a bunch of minuses, probably from moderators.
    4. Vadim12
      Vadim12 30 March 2014 22: 15
      0
      I voted to nationalize the CBR here:
      http://www.xn--80aaa1adhjeocceei3ixdp.xn--p1ai/petit1.php
      Join now.
  10. ReifA
    ReifA 26 March 2014 08: 17
    +5
    Another caveat - they (Visa \ Mastercard) will lose millions of commissions, a trifle, but nice =)
    1. Berkut-UA
      Berkut-UA 26 March 2014 09: 19
      +6
      Is it a trifle to lose
      4.000.000.000 dollars - per year ????

      Well, you old man - the real oligarch.
      1. Corsair0304
        Corsair0304 26 March 2014 14: 35
        0
        Maybe some other frigate / corvette / fighter / self-propelled guns will stand on this trifle ...
        A trifle, but nice))
  11. ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 26 March 2014 08: 19
    +2
    Quote: domokl
    It’s time to remove from the Russian economy everything that can be blocked or used against us. Putin was right when he forbade government officials and deputies to have accounts in foreign banks ... This vision of him has played into our hands now ...
    It seems to me that before the appearance of the Russian payment system, there were days rather than months left ... And this is well known in the USA ...

    And before the collapse of the American economic system based on the robbery of countries and the printing of green candy wrappers.
  12. ZU-23
    ZU-23 26 March 2014 08: 19
    +11
    I am amazed at these idiots, they mow all day with their stupidities, and these dumb-headed devils wanted to rule the world, they step on the rake without even thinking.
  13. Alexgs
    Alexgs 26 March 2014 08: 19
    +8
    Own payment system? It's high time ... At least for operations within the country - this will be a huge plus.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 26 March 2014 08: 28
      +6
      Quote: AlexGS
      Own payment system? It is high time..

      As advertised in the USSR: "Keep your money in the Savings Bank of Russia!"
      1. Containers
        Containers 27 March 2014 00: 33
        +2
        "Keep your money in a savings bank", to be precise =)
  14. Nayhas
    Nayhas 26 March 2014 08: 20
    +13
    Why is there still no national payment system? Maybe because in London and Courchevel it will be impossible for some citizens to pay for it? And not only there.
    PS: Passage about how VISA and MasterCard put pressure on Russia is the most amusing. What the hell is our power so gentle that you can squeeze oil out of it? On the one hand, he shouts that they do not care about the sanctions, and on the other hand, he refuses to make a rather harmless decision. Can I say bluntly, GIVEN ON THE PAW? By the way, the national payment system "Zolotaya Korona" has existed since 1994. and created it here in Novosibirsk, it still works.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 26 March 2014 09: 52
      +2
      Why is there still no national payment system?


      By the way, the national payment system "Zolotaya Korona" has existed since 1994.


      You have already decided. To eat or not to eat.

      Maybe because in London and Courchevel it will be impossible for some citizens to pay for it?


      And not only "some", but everyone and not only in London and Courchevel. And in Jiamus and Harbin and in Turkey, so beloved by some vacationers.

      So there is a payment system. I think that if necessary, when blocking cards, Russian banks can quite quickly switch to it. Moreover, there will be no horror from blocking cards. The money will still remain in the accounts. So they can be obtained at stationary banks. Of course, queues and excitement are ensured, as well as problems for banks with the outflow of money from accounts, but I think they will survive, and Russian citizens will only begin to remember "with a kind word" Western "partners", unless, of course, our languages ​​are in the ass pozasovyvayut, however, taking into account recent events, it is unlikely.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 26 March 2014 20: 16
        0
        Quote: alicante11
        You have already decided. To eat or not to eat.

        Of course, I turned down to the national account, it’s regional, only in Siberia can I use it.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 27 March 2014 01: 29
          0
          Come on, I had a golden crown in Dalkombank before it was purchased by MTS Bank. Now they have replaced all cards with a visa. Why I know about the difference in usability. I won’t say anything about central Russia, but I saw stickers on servicing the Golden Crown in Dolgoprudny.
  15. drop
    drop 26 March 2014 08: 24
    +5
    These are the affairs of Kudrin. We demanded that we have our own payment system. Although it may now come. I have the honor.
  16. Hope
    Hope 26 March 2014 08: 30
    +2
    is it really the case with its own payment system will move from a dead center ?! a bunch of developments, it was possible to enter everything else figs knows when, but apparently the rollbacks of the visa and the MS very slowed down the process.
    1. edissson
      edissson 26 March 2014 10: 32
      +1
      By the way, you need to show interest in the issue of bank card reader for PC users - you can get rich.
      1. Middle-brother
        Middle-brother 26 March 2014 13: 26
        0
        Quote: edissson
        By the way, you need to show interest in the issue of bank card reader for PC users - you can get rich.

        What for? Just wondering.
      2. Containers
        Containers 27 March 2014 00: 36
        0
        Magnetic card readers are absolutely universal. Like smart card readers. And for a long time already in the market. So you can only fly into the pipe.
  17. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 26 March 2014 08: 32
    +28
    And this is quite possible! This is a new Russian weapon, an alternative to the American "controlled house"))) bully
    1. edissson
      edissson 26 March 2014 10: 34
      +1
      A bit like a picture of PRO-hunters)
  18. Ratibor
    Ratibor 26 March 2014 08: 35
    +3
    It would be good if the GDP for this hype was also calculated by the Cossacks, those who do not miss their (state) payment system.
    1. Begemot
      Begemot 26 March 2014 08: 44
      +1
      Why calculate them, they are all known by name, it’s enough to see who is shouting the loudest now: Hold the thief!
    2. Begemot
      Begemot 26 March 2014 08: 44
      0
      Why calculate them, they are all known by name, it’s enough to see who is shouting the loudest now: Hold the thief!
    3. Horn
      Horn 26 March 2014 08: 44
      +2
      Why calculate them? Chubais-Kudrin-Gref & Co.
    4. KOH
      KOH 26 March 2014 08: 46
      +1
      I agree with this, it seems to me that our PRO-100 is stalling due to the lobby of the liberals, who is slowing down the PRO-100 in the studio ... amthe country should know its "heroes" ...
    5. zao74
      zao74 26 March 2014 09: 20
      0
      I would like to identify "kozachkov" in all spheres, and not only in financial!
    6. alicante11
      alicante11 26 March 2014 09: 56
      0
      This is about several million Russians who do not like the fact that the "golden crown" is accepted in a small number of stores and that it cannot be used to withdraw money over the hill. Well, hamsters are too lazy to transfer money to an international card from a Russian one before going to their beloved Turkey. It's so difficult. And carrying a press out of thousands in your purse in order to leave it at once in a fashionable boutique is probably very tiring for "blondes".
      1. Walk
        Walk 26 March 2014 11: 38
        0
        And where is the guarantee that the international card to which you transferred your hard-earned money will not be blocked just when you are in that very Turkey. It is sad to be left without money in a foreign country. So the creation of a purely Russian payment system does not solve the problem. It is also necessary that these cards are serviced abroad.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 26 March 2014 15: 23
          0
          There is no such guarantee. And no domestic payment system will give it to you. By the way, in general, only a potential suicide can travel abroad with a card. In addition to intentional locks, there are also erroneous ones. And it will be very pleasant to be left without money over the hill. This is unpleasant at home, and beyond the hill in general - the guard. So you need to take cash with you (which, of course, can also be stolen), or relax in the country :).
        2. Alex 1977
          Alex 1977 April 21 2014 08: 46
          0
          Quote: Walk
          And where is the guarantee that the international card to which you transferred your hard-earned money will not be blocked just when you are in that very Turkey. It is sad to be left without money in a foreign country. So the creation of a purely Russian payment system does not solve the problem. It is also necessary that these cards are serviced abroad.

          Warranties are given only by the pathologist, and then, after opening and cremation.
          Demand creates supply. Payment systems are the same product.
          Russians will travel to Turkey, and to the same memorable Cyprus with our cards
          - there will be terminals and infrastructure. Bulgaria ... Montenegro ... This tourism can be extended for a long time.
          Following on the list are Poles with Germans, thanks to our shuttles.
          And so, with small steps ... You don’t forget, now it’s not 1975 in the yard, when only specially verified, in small groups, and with a KGB curator went abroad. ))) Nothing personal, clean business ...
  19. Coffee_time
    Coffee_time 26 March 2014 08: 37
    +1
    It is in the genes of Russian people to keep money in mattresses, stockings, glass jars, books, caskets and now I think this is not folly, but the right decision to save their hard-earned money.
    1. edissson
      edissson 26 March 2014 10: 36
      0
      It’s true that cash should be at hand, but you can’t keep eggs in one mosh)
  20. yan
    yan 26 March 2014 08: 39
    +9
    Thank you very much to Vladimir Vladimirovich, first of all for the fact that we are starting to get out of the rubble of the "American way of life," which has been implanted for almost 30 years by liberal fosterlings, starting with Gorbachev and so on. And the truth begins to reach about how and where Russia got mired during this time.
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    1. svp67
      svp67 26 March 2014 08: 47
      +3
      Quote: skyil
      The more sanctions, the faster the development of Russia! It’s a paradox, but it’s nice to not understand Russia with your mind!
      All about 100, Russia is now READY to do it ...
      1. edissson
        edissson 26 March 2014 10: 38
        +1
        Rather, to say - it is necessary to do, it is a necessity for today. Fact.
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  23. Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 26 March 2014 08: 43
    +4
    But cards are convenient ... evil. They say one worked in a foreign state, made an avria comes to the bank to cash out the card and he was blocked! Check out however. "Gogi, in which bank do you keep your money? Me? IN THREE-LITER!"
  24. darksoul
    darksoul 26 March 2014 08: 43
    +2
    What does not kill us makes us stronger. You need to develop your missile defense system 100, there is nothing to feed them
    1. svp67
      svp67 26 March 2014 08: 48
      +1
      Quote: darksoul
      What does not kill us makes us stronger. You need to develop your missile defense system 100, there is nothing to feed them

      Moreover, to make it better and more attractive ... It is time to put an end to the US monopoly ... And once again I am convinced that money is also a weapon ...
      1. Corsair0304
        Corsair0304 26 March 2014 14: 43
        0
        For war, firstly, money is needed, secondly, money, and thirdly, a lot of money ...
        So, perhaps this is the most important weapon and we need to be able to use it, and not supply the enemy.
    2. Begemot
      Begemot 26 March 2014 08: 53
      0
      God forbid to develop PRO100, this is sber, everything is there for senior citizens and losers. Better to develop just missile defense.
  25. mountain
    mountain 26 March 2014 08: 44
    +1
    If the United States falls apart, Who will kick us?
    1. zao74
      zao74 26 March 2014 09: 23
      +1
      Or maybe without kicks, we start to move our brains ...))
    2. edissson
      edissson 26 March 2014 10: 41
      +1
      But did Mohammed not say when he came to you - the United States would not fall apart, but there would be troubles, and all sorts of sorrows - to enlighten the brains of the ignorant on that earth.
    3. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov 26 March 2014 16: 12
      +1
      Quote: mountain
      If the United States falls apart, Who will kick us?

      Unfortunately, it’s not just one day when SySha will fall apart, we will gain inertia and will climb up without kicks! smile
  26. Flinky
    Flinky 26 March 2014 08: 44
    +7
    And also start trading energy for rubles, yuan and euros.
    And Kudrin to the gallows. Near Fursenko and Chubais.
    1. Sergg
      Sergg 26 March 2014 08: 49
      +7
      And Kudrin to the gallows.


      Kudrin - the enemy of the people has done harm to Russia more than other liberals combined, redirecting our money into US securities, without investing them in the Russian economy.
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 27 March 2014 20: 07
      0
      Quote: Flinky
      And Kudrin to the gallows. Near Fursenko and Chubais

      And prislo-memorable-Serdyukov?
  27. Irokez
    Irokez 26 March 2014 08: 44
    +6
    Anglo-Saxon parasitism is primarily economic and through finance everything is controlled in the world.
    A simple truth - start living your own way and everything global will collapse, which parasitizes on us and other countries. Initially, according to the logic, each country should have its own monetary unit and its national banks protecting their own country.
    And then right now, cunningly (hiding behind convenience) they introduced a globally controlled payment system and the dollar.
    BRICS is where you need to develop an alternative to payment systems and finances on an equal footing and controlled by all parties to the agreement, while no one cancels their national money and their national payment system.
    In the end, just a refuser of cards and get paid with real money and go to the denyushka shop, otherwise it is convenient to put the card in and receive the goods without money. Partly hidden and cunning trick for the psyche. And when you give the deny at the checkout, then the psyche turns on and thinks about another time, but is it worth buying trinket for so many banknotes of money. Refuse credit cards - another evil system.
    1. edissson
      edissson 26 March 2014 10: 45
      0
      With something, it is necessary to measure units of exchange for various personal goods, all goods cannot be at hand; therefore, they are sold and bought.
  28. shinobi
    shinobi 26 March 2014 08: 46
    +4
    It's high time. But the logic of the actions of the amers is not clear to me. In two days of blocking, these two systems lost 4 billion of resources that citizens have withdrawn with lightning speed. failure "not a little. And then I have not heard more about the desire to continue in this vein.
  29. Begemot
    Begemot 26 March 2014 08: 52
    +5
    The topic was opened correctly, but very superficially, I think that the task was not posed as well.
    The question is much more complicated and deeper. Sberb is now trying to push through his PRO100 tomb, and to row all the budget money for himself under the guise. Now it is increasingly losing market share.
    There have already been inclinations, but most likely the savings bank will break off, and creating a single processing center from scratch is not a quick and very expensive business. It is technically easier to create a network processing center on the basis of the existing United Settlement System, but then you will have to bend the "proud" market leaders into agreements with the rest, and this does not allow pAnts. Next week I will try to post an article on this matter.
  30. Polevik
    Polevik 26 March 2014 08: 56
    +2
    This will be a counterattack. Counter-reception, more precisely. Judo all the same. And so it would be with every sanction. soldier
  31. f4b2
    f4b2 26 March 2014 08: 57
    +9
    By the way, it’s very difficult to create a payment system at the national level.
    This is in defiance of the "let's go"

    Just imagine.
    Let's say we have 60 million cardholders.
    Let a person make a purchase every couple of days. Total - 30 million fin. transactions per day.
    well, or about 350 transactions per second ... This is not taking into account day / night.
    And the holidays ... And the day of receiving salaries, pensions, etc. ...
    For reference, the frequency of the Salt note is 392Hz. It sounds beautiful. And with such a frequency, you need to verify transactions,
    send SMSki, process account balances, etc. etc.

    This system should be based on some very serious DBMS.
    Where is this national database? Huh? But no.
    And, then again, Oracle, hello - the NSA. But now hello already
    с complete, detailed data.

    Retribution for the persecution of cybernetics, for the refusal to produce their own computers ...
    This is a national project, no less, no more.
    Whether we pull it is a baaal question.
    1. Polevik
      Polevik 26 March 2014 09: 16
      +1
      Quote: f4b2
      By the way, it’s very difficult to create a payment system at the national level.
      This is in defiance of the "let's go"

      This system should be based on some very serious DBMS.
      Where is this national database? Huh? But no.
      And, then again, Oracle, hello - the NSA. But now hello already
      with complete, detailed data.

      Retribution for the persecution of cybernetics, for the refusal to produce their own computers ...
      This is a national project, no less, no more.
      Whether we pull it is a baaal question.



      We will not try (we will try) - we will not know!
    2. Alex 1977
      Alex 1977 April 21 2014 08: 51
      0
      Quote: f4b2


      Retribution for the persecution of cybernetics, for the refusal to produce their own computers ...
      This is a national project, no less, no more.
      Whether we pull it is a baaal question.

      Shoigu, while visiting a science company last year, mentioned that a large number of programmers would soon be needed.
  32. igor.borov775
    igor.borov775 26 March 2014 08: 58
    +3
    Quote: W1950
    Everything is fine, we will begin to get rid of liberal ideas. We turn to the regime of self-sufficiency.

    Yeah, we’ve fled, We’ll see how the Duma will lead, because it’s possible to improve our system so that even the Yankees approve of it, the Liberals are very strong in the ruling elite, they will tighten it down and approve any business by brakes, I recall one meeting of the President before the New Year, there he explained the criticisms above roofs and it was not criticism that demanded real offers, You see the real ones, On the upper floors there is nothing to offer, the Liberals are exhausted by the bold deeds the President pushes them, Yes, even our good liberals themselves can fulfill the ideas in such a way that they completely dishonored themselves and discredited them ,,, But for all the nuances, one news makes me happy, This time our people did not rush to save the Baltic states by helping to overcome the same economic nightmare that they themselves fanned in Ukraine, It turns out we can, No matter how hard it can, It gives hope that not everything is lost , And the cries of the liberals begin to ignore, Well done !!
  33. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 26 March 2014 08: 59
    +2
    Quote: paul1992
    better late than never ... thanks Obama for laughing


    The most important thing is to go forward without stopping, not backing away, the retreat of death is similar.
  34. parusnik
    parusnik 26 March 2014 09: 03
    +3
    Sanctions .. this is the branch on which Europe and the USA are sitting, and for some reason they chop it ...
  35. Sashka_Gusar
    Sashka_Gusar 26 March 2014 09: 06
    +4
    Quote: f4b2
    By the way, it’s very difficult to create a payment system at the national level.
    This is in defiance of the "let's go"

    Just imagine.
    Let's say we have 60 million cardholders.
    Let a person make a purchase every couple of days. Total - 30 million fin. transactions per day.
    well, or about 350 transactions per second ... This is not taking into account day / night.
    And the holidays ... And the day of receiving salaries, pensions, etc. ...
    For reference, the frequency of the Salt note is 392Hz. It sounds beautiful. And with such a frequency, you need to verify transactions,
    send SMSki, process account balances, etc. etc.

    This system should be based on some very serious DBMS.
    Where is this national database? Huh? But no.
    And, then again, Oracle, hello - the NSA. But now hello already
    с complete, detailed data.

    Retribution for the persecution of cybernetics, for the refusal to produce their own computers ...
    This is a national project, no less, no more.
    Whether we pull it is a baaal question.


    The main thing to start, naturally these processes will take more than one year, and not one billion, but I think it's worth it. That our stupid amers can not overpower? How would then they did not use ours smile
  36. engineer74
    engineer74 26 March 2014 09: 06
    +3
    I don’t understand what the problem is? There was once a national "Union Card" .... Fuck it, now we cry ... sad
  37. ken
    ken 26 March 2014 09: 09
    +2
    Just great ! Amers will soon feed, only the EU. And if a dollar overboard?
  38. kagorta
    kagorta 26 March 2014 09: 10
    +3
    China UnionPay (CUP) is China's only national payment system. It was founded in 2002 with the support of the Central Bank of China. China UnionPay brings together about 300 lending institutions in China and beyond. Their cards have already begun to be accepted abroad, as there are more of them than Visa and MasterCard.

    The Chinese are wise. When we get smarter. I hope we already realized that the West will not be friends with us
  39. Irokez
    Irokez 26 March 2014 09: 14
    +6
    In general, the following is obtained:
    - keep money in rubles or in precious metals on deposits
    - go to the store with denyushka
    - do not take loans (live upon arrival)
    - moderate your consumption with especially imported goods
    This is the defense of their national market and the country as a whole. Moreover, the crisis will survive and those who live within their means can reasonably save everything and do not change their phones every six months.
  40. Gvozdovsky
    Gvozdovsky 26 March 2014 09: 17
    +2
    It has long been necessary to launch the national processing center! Sberbank, for example, may well pull this "burden": data centers have been built, with equipment and specialists - the same kind of order. A strong-willed decision is required. We cannot allow the enemy to control our wallets with you.
  41. f4b2
    f4b2 26 March 2014 09: 19
    +1
    Quote: Sashka_Gusar

    The main thing to start, naturally these processes will take more than one year, and not one billion, but I think it's worth it. That our stupid amers can not overpower? How would then they did not use ours smile


    You just can’t imagine what you’re talking about.
    DBMSs of this level have been created for decades, by huge teams of experienced engineers.

    "Oracle was founded in 1977 and has offices in over 145 countries. As of 2012, it has 115 employees."
    And all this time this company has been creating high-tech products.

    And we have? Name at least one Russian team that would do something breakthrough, known to the world, your
    (Tetris and 1C do not remember - not to the cashier) ...

    Sadly we look.
    We’re doing nanocoatings for the toilet seat, we are building the Skolkovo science city.
    We even have domestic control units - whose?
    And this is also hardware - software systems ...

    Everything rests on culture and infrastructure. And we simply do not create it.
    So, as computer science is taught in schools - this is only for secretaries ...
    1. Gvozdovsky
      Gvozdovsky 26 March 2014 09: 51
      +1
      The problems of implementing such projects, which are very difficult, always exist, but if you sit and do nothing, the situation will not change. "The road will be mastered by the one walking", "The water does not flow under the lying stone" .... you can still recall many folk wisdoms. wink The country's sovereignty is not only the presence of a national anthem and flag! And the financial component is no less important than, for example, political or military.
    2. Gvozdovsky
      Gvozdovsky 26 March 2014 09: 51
      0
      The problems of implementing such projects, which are very difficult, always exist, but if you sit and do nothing, the situation will not change. "The road will be mastered by the one walking", "The water does not flow under the lying stone" .... you can still recall many folk wisdoms. wink The country's sovereignty is not only the presence of a national anthem and flag! And the financial component is no less important than, for example, political or military.
  42. Known who
    Known who 26 March 2014 09: 23
    +2
    It is high time to introduce a national PS. We are a great nation with more than 1000 years of history, including the national currency, and it is useless for us Russians to sponsor our "partners" who wish us only "good" in the form of crosses in the cemetery!
  43. krievs
    krievs 26 March 2014 09: 24
    +3
    The first thing that Nabiulina did when she came to the Central Bank of Russia was to hack a project to create a national payment system, the work on which was carried out at the Central Bank. Why would the curators ask for this?
    1. Gvozdovsky
      Gvozdovsky 26 March 2014 09: 41
      +1
      In fact, they did the right thing to "hack to death" the creation of a payment system based on the Central Bank: firstly, it has other tasks, and secondly, the Central Bank practically does not belong to Russia. In fact, this is the Federal Reserve System of the USA in Russia. The system needs to be built on the basis of a national bank, such as Sberbank or VTB. And the fact that steps to change the situation with the Central Bank of the Russian Federation by Putin were taken and can be found earlier on the internet, only the "fifth column" is sitting not only on the "Ear of Moscow" or on the "golden rain", but also the government and its own " "work out 30%.
  44. hitech
    hitech 26 March 2014 09: 25
    -1
    "It's high time, it's high time ...", and someone was interfering? Some corrupt "son of a bitch" let the American "goat" into the Russian "vegetable garden", and now that our government is bent over "half-Fedor", everyone is in a panic. SO SHOULD BE SELL MORE FOR BABLO.
    1. Gvozdovsky
      Gvozdovsky 26 March 2014 09: 57
      0
      My friend, do not be upset you so! Work is underway, and gradually, the liberal-corrupt public is swept out of power. Much has been done, but more needs to be done. And yes, I agree with you that this "public" in the Yeltsin-Gorbachev era was crawled by the sea. And you need to fight them with all available means.
    2. Gvozdovsky
      Gvozdovsky 26 March 2014 09: 57
      +1
      My friend, do not be upset you so! Work is underway, and gradually, the liberal-corrupt public is swept out of power. Much has been done, but more needs to be done. And yes, I agree with you that this "public" in the Yeltsin-Gorbachev era was crawled by the sea. And you need to fight them with all available means.
      1. Walk
        Walk 26 March 2014 12: 12
        0
        As already mentioned above, there is no particular average person. Even if the system is blocked from the outside, he can always get his money at the bank branches at the cash desk. Regarding personal data, the problem is also exaggerated. This does not threaten an ordinary person, and it is forbidden to open cards to employees of closed institutions. So no one will turn off anyone by turning it off.
        1. albolo
          albolo 30 March 2014 13: 36
          0
          Write obvious nonsense !!! For example, the armies of Russia and the Ministry of Internal Affairs pay on international cards of Sberbank!
          You must have your own payment system!
  45. f4b2
    f4b2 26 March 2014 09: 29
    +3
    And the matter is not only in the national payment system.

    For some reason, everyone stubbornly remains silent that the vast majority of our air carriers (Aeroflot, S7, ...)
    keep their resources in foreign inventory systems (Saber, Amadeus, Galileo, etc.)

    That is all sold tickets of these airlines with detailed passport data are out
    limits of jurisdiction and territory of Russia.

    BUT? What?

    What are we mumbling about the law on personal data. Laughter, and nothing more.
    That is, I repeat, the history and current trips all air passengers of these companies are known
    and easily accessible ... Correct, to the relevant intelligence agencies.
    Not Russian.

    PS
    And so they still boast. Who wants to, can dig more.
    Eat.
    1.http: //www.amadeus.ru/about/clients.htm
    2.http: //cool4student.ru/node/1841
    3.Http: //www.kommersant.ru/pda/kommersant.html? Id = 2395873
    1. hitech
      hitech 26 March 2014 10: 04
      0
      Thank you for the detailed alignment, otherwise some of the "urapatriots" do not see beyond their noses or deliberately begin to engage in "hacking".
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 26 March 2014 15: 46
      +2
      And you can ask what the Americans will do with this, having received my passport data when buying tickets for the Moscow-Khabarovsk flight?
  46. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 26 March 2014 09: 29
    +2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    All that is not done is for the best ..

    In principle, it is true, but specific people find themselves in the most cruel circumstances. And most politicians don't give a damn about them.
    In Ukraine, everything was impoverished, except for bandits. Open-speaking Russian speakers are called outcasts. Relations between Russia and Ukraine have been spoiled for many years. Ukrainian youth received rabies vaccine ...

    Quote: MIKHAN
    All these sanctions are only in Russia's favor.

    Sanctions in favor of the Russian government. Maybe now they will learn to obey the orders of the President, not only formally, but conscientiously. Maybe now V.V. Putin will seize the initiative and declare the slogan "Down with bribe-takers and thieves!"

    Quote: MIKHAN
    Losses will be not small, but everything will come back handsomely!

    Losses can be small. If sanctions are taken as a cure for oligarchy, offshore, cosmopolitanism.
    If the drugs are orders in the defense industry, the government of national unity, emphasis on upbringing in schools and universities, the respectful and conscientious attitude of authorities at different levels to all people and specific people, especially in Crimea.
    1. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 26 March 2014 11: 22
      0
      Quote: Sergey S.
      Losses can be small. If sanctions are taken as a cure for oligarchy, offshore, cosmopolitanism.

      Yes, don’t worry so much that there will be losses, but not so much that last year We were already put on shoes and Cyprus was famously forgotten, Now we are already scientists and we know perfectly well what they can do, but here we are beaten and we give you remember for the beaten two unbroken the options are not hoping for humanity so that we are above our heads, We can stand it hard but we can stand it and move forward, And stopping the next time will be much harder, They missed a howling chance then in 2008 it could work, but we all took into account now it won’t work
      1. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 26 March 2014 13: 29
        0
        I agree with that.
        But inside Russia there must be unanimity.
        Now, V.V. Putin supports. primarily. common people and close ones. The latter, if anything, may dodge ...

        And even at the level of governors far from everywhere measures of popular democracy were taken.
  47. tolancop
    tolancop 26 March 2014 09: 29
    +1
    Irokez, support !!! I tried on your proposal and found that I had been living that way for a long time. Even when I bought cars, I paid in full.
  48. 120352
    120352 26 March 2014 09: 29
    +1
    It is necessary: ​​1) to urgently get rid of vampire payment systems serving exclusively the western economy. Perhaps it is with our funds that are in circulation of these systems that this whole war against Russia is now being waged. 2) get rid of the calculations from the dollar and the euro!
    They want to trade with us - let them pay in rubles! Then their fake candy wrappers, not provided with anything, will lose their value completely. We will get rid of addiction, but they will become addicted! I hope everyone remembers the amount of the national debt of the United States, exceeding all real reserves by more than double.
  49. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 26 March 2014 09: 31
    0
    I still do not understand, along the way there are some difficulties with creating your own payment system? Or are all these "problems" just in the imagination of the liberoids sold to the Americans at our top? In any case, I do not know a problem that could not be solved, of course, except human stupidity.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 27 March 2014 20: 15
      0
      Quote: Standard Oil
      In any case, I do not know a problem that could not be solved, of course, except for human stupidity.

      Option selection error, however. But what if the problem of human meanness (Gorbachev, Yeltsin et setera)?
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