Ukraine again left the Crimea without electricity

On the night of Tuesday in the Crimea again began rolling blackouts. As reported, last Sunday, Ukraine has reduced the supply of electricity to the peninsula. All reserve sources were used, including capacities prepared for the Sochi Olympics. On Monday afternoon, the electricity supply from Ukraine was restored, and then interruptions began again.

Now the peninsula on 80 percent depends on the import of electricity. In official explanations, Kiev refers to the accident and repair of two high-voltage lines, according to the Russia 24 TV channel. Prime Minister of Crimea Sergey Aksyonov called the incident a diversion and an attempt to destabilize the situation: “We regard all these actions to turn off the electricity as a direct sabotage aimed at destabilizing the situation. This will be resentful to those who do, as I am sure that most of the population living in Ukraine , does not support these measures. "

It is noteworthy that on Monday, on the sidelines of the Nuclear Security Summit held in The Hague, Acting Foreign Minister of Ukraine Andrei Deschitsa promised that Kiev will no longer turn off electricity in the Crimea.

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[il2.chewie]

Fight in powerless malice! But Tymoshenko, by the way, is not used to leaving people without electricity, at one time Ukraine was sitting without light when this pale woman with a scythe sold him for a cordon.
In general, a small dirty trick, a temporary phenomenon. Give Crimea to the energy system of Russia! Ilyich’s bulb to ours!

[W1950]

What kind of leaders are in power, such dirty tricks. They are not capable of the greater poverty of mind.

[O_RUS]

Quote: W1950

What are the leaders in power, such and dirty tricks.

so it was with respect to Russia. The point is the mentality, the characteristic features of an independent nation.

Quote: W1950

They are not capable of more from the poverty of mind.

... so as not to see the influx of bandits with a Ukrainian accent.

[zzz]

This is Tymoshenko’s order, I’m sure. She said that she would return Crimea.

[I am a Russian]

zzz heavy general epaulettes?

[Gloria45]

Some strange way to return Crimea.

[smel]

He promised ... And who believes in the promises of such non-humans? Only very naive or frankly stupid

[Very old]

He promised ...
SMEL, a girl can promise anything - to her new "partners" and to the public, for the media - you need to look fluffy,
What does the ball do, smelling delicious .. wags its tail
Ahead is the West's promised "assistance"

[avg]

Quote: Very old

girls can promise anything - to their new "partners" and to the public, for the media, you need to look fluffy,

Perhaps he did it sincerely, but his authority is zero. A platoon of the third hundred will come, kick the minister and make him rewrite all international obligations.
Yes, I almost forgot, I’ll take a few more bucks for the needs of the lads.

[Ustian]

Quote: avg

Perhaps even he did it sincerely,

So he is not a pravokator, but simply D.U.r.a.k!

[dmitrij.blyuz]

In a couple of months the issue will be resolved. It is not so difficult to throw a cable through the strait. And then to build power plants. But this is the time. The Crimeans understand this. So everything is fine.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

In a couple of months the issue will be resolved.

In one hour! It’s worth mentioning now that there was an accident on the gas pipeline and gas to Europe, until it goes. They will run to the distillation switch, otherwise Europe may not give money.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

She will not give it. (In the sense of money!) In this case, the geyropa herself will throw the cable and build the bridge, and South Stream will finance with tears in its eyes, in gratitude to Russia.

[Nayhas]

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

In a couple of months the issue will be resolved. It is not so difficult to throw a cable through the strait. And then to build power plants. But this is the time. The Crimeans understand this. So everything is fine.

If it were not difficult, then such statements would not have been.

Cable laying for energy supply of the Crimean peninsula may take a year and a half, Oleg Budargin, the head of Rosseti, said on Monday.

Between a year and a half and a couple of months the difference is big. This is not to carry a neighbor to the garage to stretch.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

You don’t need to throw a cable through the strait, the technologies have been worked out, and more than once. Budargin could have called a digital, like 5 years old. Trust me, an old electrician who in practice has a cable routing through the Yenisei in 89. My Dad pulled the cable in the 60s bearded to Sakhalin. Now they are throwing cables across the Atlantic. Laying the cable in the Crimea, with the necessary equipment, will take a maximum of 2-3 days. The main thing is to tie third-party power systems to the Crimean power system. In any case, this will be temporary power supply. What is required so far. Construction of a power plant Peninsula-a done deal.

[Sirocco]

Dima, can I be wrong? in something. But how to cope with losses, with such a cable length, and what section of such a cable ?? No wonder they throw high in the air.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Vladimir! First, I’ll answer you. The cable cross section depends on the voltage. The cable losses depend on its resistance. That is: an aluminum cable with a cross section of 350 squares has a loss per kilometer of about 12%. Copper, the same cross-section is 4%. As I painted earlier, it’s temporary power supply. The fact that they throw high power over air is its own tactic. It’s unpleasant. There are no technologies for fully conserving energy over long distances. It’s not planned in the near future. This is just the simplest option. Create shielded cable systems are no cost but it won’t survive. Air loses when transmitting energy at a distance of 1000 km. -10%. The same 220s, 330s, 750s. Now we are working on methods of energy transfer based on fiberglass. But I think this is unrealized fiction . Current flows only in a physically tangible environment.

[Nayhas]

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

You don’t need to throw a cable through the strait, the technologies have been worked out, and more than once. Budargin could have called a digital, like 5 years old. Trust me, an old electrician who in practice has a cable routing through the Yenisei in 89. My Dad pulled the cable in the 60s bearded to Sakhalin. Now they are throwing cables across the Atlantic. Laying the cable in the Crimea, with the necessary equipment, will take a maximum of 2-3 days. The main thing is to tie third-party power systems to the Crimean power system. In any case, this will be temporary power supply. What is required so far. Construction of a power plant Peninsula-a done deal.

If you come across this question, then please answer the following questions:
1. The power cable for powering the Crimean peninsula must have the appropriate parameters, i.e. it can’t be bought figuratively speaking in a store, but it must be ordered. What is the lead time?
2. Is it necessary to build substations on our shore and on Krymsky, production time?
3. It is necessary to enter the Crimean region into our network, for this it is certainly necessary to make some calculations, and then integrate the Crimean energy system into the Krasnodar region, how long does it take?
PS: I do not argue that the cable laying process itself will not take much time, but this is almost the final stage, which was preceded by a lot of work. For example, when you pulled the cable through the Yenisei, you obviously didn’t do bottom exploration, did this about you?

[baltika-18]

Quote: Nayhas

If you come across this question, then please answer the following questions:

You asked the next hijacker absolutely right questions. Yes, and in addition: in the Krasnodar Territory, the power supply is not quite right. It was not in vain that mobile power stations were kept during the Olympics.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

The appropriate cable parameters depend on the power consumption of consumers. Of course, you can’t buy it in the store. How much time is needed for its production, I don’t have a question. What is the substation production time? We don’t live in the cave age. There are temporary mobile ones that can withstand loads up to 5000KVA. Enter Crimean the region is in our network. What are the problems? The voltage, even in the post-Soviet space, remains the same. Household: 0,4-0,23 Sq. High-220,36,10,6. Frequency-50 Hz. There is nothing to be rebuilt here. A , here to upgrade, by itself.
Exploration is certainly not mine. Their services are there. And they do not work as long as you wish.

[Niki]

All right, the problem is not in laying the cable along the bottom of the strait, but in tying this cable on one and the other side. There is no "extra" generation in the Kuban.
And on the Crimean side in the Krech region there are no "extra" networks. They are designed and built without taking into account the connection of sources from the side of the strait.
Mobile stations are convenient in operation precisely because of the possibility of their installation at the accessibility point of connection to an existing network. The construction of a new generation is naturally accompanied by the construction of the corresponding new power lines, TP, RP

[Dezzed]

"Throwing a cable through the strait is not a big mind."

To throw a big mind is not necessary. But the power plant must be connected to the cable.

[svp67]

Quote: DezzeD

To throw a big mind is not necessary. But the power plant must be connected to the cable.

Thank God and the Communists, and more to our people - in Russia there are no big problems with power plants now ...

[ReifA]

When will they begin to repair the pipe then?

[siberalt]

This is envy! Nothing. They promised in a month - one and a half autonomous energy. Ukraine helps the development of Crimea. Adopt the experience of Obama.

[awg75]

it’s just some kind of fools - there’s no money anyway, so now they are profiting from electricity too.

[svp67]

Well, then, work is not an edge. This is now a tension with electricity, and what will happen when shipbuilding and repair plants work there, when new hotels, hotels are built? The conclusion is simple - we need serious work, to build new power plants (of any type), to draw lines and connect the Crimea with our unified energy system ...

[Niki]

Yes, there will be enough problems even without factories - with the start of the tourist season, air conditioners and refrigerators, first of all from the distribution network and from all kinds of holidaymakers, will take just the recently announced capacity of 1 GW. The current load was announced at about 300 MW. All data is public.

[Siberian19]

Oh do not anger the lads of the bear oh do not anger, there will be no mercy!

[Combitor]

And how much does Ukraine owe Russia for gas? Maybe it's time to turn the valve to the "return"?

[Lissyara]

It would be necessary for the EU to announce that in Russia, minerals are subject to the "technical regulations" ...

[ambiorix]

At the station it is necessary to send "polite electricians" from Crimea

[Signaller]

Of course, this was to be expected. All these power lines are very vulnerable. you can’t put security guards at every support. Therefore, it will be repeated over and over again. the nationalities do not sleep at night. One way to build your Crimean energy tied to Russia. I think everything is already in full swing. There, it is quite possible to drag high-voltage cables along the bottom of the Sea of ​​Azov. It remains only to build substations and give energy. For six months, it is quite possible to meet the deadlines. If snapped, then faster. Everything is already worked out.

[sv68]

hands to these Kiev freaks need to be torn off - to cover up their rotten kooky

[saag]

Quote: Signaller

There, it is quite possible to drag high-voltage cables along the bottom of the Sea of ​​Azov.

You are not looking for easy ways

Quote: Signaller

It remains only to build substations and give energy.

yeah, a problem, where will you supply so much energy from? Are generating capacities standing on the shore? Or add 330 power lines?

[polite people 2]

If only people in the Crimea calmly reacted to this as inevitable. All the same, soon everything will be restored. The fee is certainly tough.

[Niki]

As I understand it, in Crimea there were almost no periods of absolutely reliable supply of energy and water. They say that in recent years everyone has just collapsed there with more or less zeal.

Generation in Ukraine is now waiting for very difficult times: to reduce volumes at a nuclear power plant (now one of the stations is in emergency mode, it seems to be South Ukraine)

[Ustian]

Quote: polite people 2

If only people in the Crimea calmly reacted to this as inevitable. All the same, soon everything will be restored. The fee is certainly tough.

And when, in history, when the peoples moved for the better, everything was smooth? In order to feel the taste of Freedom, in the best sense of the word, it is necessary to go through through thorns"Unfortunately! But I BELIEVE, in the end, everything will be GOOD !!!"

[GRune]

All the same, at the helm in Ukraine there are petty and vile people besides Khokhlamy (in the worst sense of the word) and you will not name ...

[311ove]

Quote: GRune

are petty

And you are right! "GIRL" in my translation means a little, a trifle ....
Acting Foreign Minister of Ukraine Andriy Deshchitsa promised that Kiev will no longer cut off electricity in the Crimea. So he promised .......

[Yun Klob]

Play the dill. They forgot that they buy fuel for UkrAES in Russia, but the American one is not suitable.

[Sirocco]

Quote: Yoon Klob

They forgot that they buy fuel for UkrAES in Russia, but the American one is not suitable.

Recently, the policy of the Ukrainian authorities looks like this. What is bad is good. Against the background of euphoria, they can not only create, but destroy the Ukrainian nuclear power plants, and build technology according to USAA, together with the Space Forces. All you want can be expected from these political boxers)))

[mabuta]

The junta has more weighty levers, except for dirty tricks. But any dirty tricks always, if desired, will not remain without punishment. The only hope for healthy minds in the south-east of Ukraine.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

According to the statement of the General Rosatom S. Kiriyenko-Russia will supply assemblies for Ukrainian nuclear power plants, in any case. And we deliver. One is worried: as if the roof didn’t go to the banderlogs, about the nuclear power plant. They might turn up Chernobyl as a children's sandbox. And there the reactors like RBMK stand. In our time, already antediluvian.

[nikolaj1703]

No electricity, no money!

[x.andvlad]

It is noteworthy that on Monday, on the sidelines of the Nuclear Security Summit held in The Hague, Acting Foreign Minister of Ukraine Andrei Deschitsa promised that Kiev will no longer turn off electricity in the Crimea.

Yes, they were there and in the best times were like "a swan, a crayfish ischuk" - every other day in the Rada they staged a clownery with fist fights. And today, listening to their promises is not at all serious.
We urgently need to establish our reliable power supply for the entire peninsula.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Crimea, anyway, needs to be made non-volatile .. This is a strategic peninsula, the so-called "unsinkable aircraft carrier" Crimeans I think they understand everything and will tolerate a little ..

[Dezzed]

Ага.
They have been suffering there since 1917. where will they go?

[Stinger]

Minor dirty tricks - were and remain under any authorities the basis of the policy of a great independent power.

[aud13]

Probably, it would be necessary in the Crimea to think over measures to save resources coming through Ukraine.
People, if you explain to them, will understand.

[Rohon]

Shitting on trifles, all that they can. It's time to put your station in Crimea.

[propolsky]

Having Russia as a friend, you should not be afraid of the lack of electricity, oil, gas and the entire periodic table.

[Gagarin]

TEMPORARY DIFFICULTIES, BEFORE!
The main problem is over.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Quote: baltika-18

Quote: Nayhas

If you come across this question, then please answer the following questions:

You asked the next hijacker absolutely right questions. Yes, and in addition: in the Krasnodar Territory, the power supply is not quite right. It was not in vain that mobile power stations were kept during the Olympics.

Well, the Baltic! Consider me a hat thrower further. Do not mind. Respectfully. Blues.

[individual]

Ukraine can promise everything!
Will perform in places and not all.
An old joke: a tuft of apples is at the Ukrainians, they ask him - give me an apple, and he says - I won’t give it. Why, you won’t eat everything. He answers: as much as I can eat, I bite the rest.

[Ross]

Quote: il2.chewie

Fight in powerless malice!

Typically hohlyatski shit. Well, if a lady with a scythe in front with "ideas" of revenge, what a surprise.

[Mareman Vasilich]

Absolutely stupid step. This will only anger and alert residents of other regions of the republic.

[Ustian]

The Chinese could take a wise step, and send humanitarian aid to Crimea in the form of mobile power stations ...! To offer Russia the help of specialists to build energy facilities. This is a political move and, in the long term, strengthening economic ties with Russia on the Crimean peninsula. But will they only understand this simple move ...?

[avg]

Kiev refers to the accident and repair of two high-voltage lines

It is necessary to hint Svidomo, and first of all, to the geyropeytsam that the hydraulic structures in Ukraine are very worn out, and in order to avoid terrible accidents, it will be necessary to significantly reduce the gas pressure in the pipes.

[kocclissi]

Geyropa has nothing to do with it, the mattresses are now commanding the parade!

[Weniamin]

Bill them for the penalty.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

Vladimir! First, I’ll answer you. The cable cross section depends on the voltage. The cable losses depend on its resistance. That is: an aluminum cable with a cross section of 350 squares has a loss per kilometer of about 12%. Copper, the same cross-section is 4%. As I painted earlier, it’s temporary power supply. The fact that they throw high power over air is its own tactic. It’s unpleasant. There are no technologies for fully conserving energy over long distances. It’s not planned in the near future. This is just the simplest option. Create shielded cable systems are no cost but it won’t survive. Air loses when transmitting energy at a distance of 1000 km. -10%. The same 220s, 330s, 750s. Now we are working on methods of energy transfer based on fiberglass. But I think this is unrealized fiction . Current flows only in a physically tangible environment.

I will just continue. In connection with the loss of energy transmitted through the air, step-up and distribution substations are being built over certain distances. They allow you to transform the voltage within the required parameters. When you hear the crackle of high-voltage wires, this is a loss of energy (more precisely, one of them) . Depending on the capacity of the line (220,110,750), such substations are built at a certain distance. For lines of type "C" -60 (80) km. Type "D" -150 (200) km. "W" -15 (25) km.

[elephantine]

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

Cable cross section is directly dependent on voltage

Vooooooo from TOKA!!!

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Is the current strength dependent on the load?

[Cristall]

The devil only knows .. I'm used to thinking of Kiev as a separate republic, which by mistake is the capital of the country. They choose themselves, they appoint themselves, they conduct their own policy (of course, on behalf of "the whole people"); it is strange that they did not take responsibility from the entire people, but they will not be responsible. They will survive everything.
In fact, the shutdown is generally serious. It seems that they promised publicly that they would not. I hope in my heart that this is still a breakdown, and not a whim. It would be necessary to warn "that breakdowns" are not frequent. Although they are deeply put on everything. On behalf of the entire people, they will act to the detriment of that people.
Though you take Kiev to the garden with a moat about the chopped-off all contacts ... the impression if before shouting the memory - now the memory is silent but Kiev screams like a memory)) moved)
As explains the need for fin. infusion into the country "enemy media"
http://www.vedomosti.ru/newspaper/article/629961/plan-marshalla-dlya-ukrainy
There is a grain of rationality, but all this is only to dream and imagine that all disinterested in this world
From the described - recently, they began to drive into the heads of Ukrainians that SE at all (by the way, not even SE, namely the east) is not profitable and necessary. A subsidized and retarded. That there is no need to support him. That he is the source of haemorrhage and generally of the Soviet past. What is the main agricultural industry and not industry for the future of Ukraine ...
in the light of new zombies, as I understand it, the need to prom. parts

[Horn]

Tymoshenko, commenting on calls to turn off gas and water on the peninsula, noted: “We cannot act like Putin. Those Ukrainian citizens who want to stay in Crimea, we must provide them with all budget payments, salaries, pensions.”

[biglow]

EMERCOM is now importing generators and there is a plan for the reconstruction of the Simferopol TPP, taking into account that there will be fewer tourists for anyone in the coming years, all these measures should be enough to last until they create backup power sources ... Today, a fire helicopter has appeared in Crimea now though there will be something to put out the forest .....