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Crimea won, Ukraine lost

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The appearance of NATO troops (forces) in Kharkov and Lugansk is only a matter of time


The strengthening of Russian influence in the south-eastern regions of Ukraine and the events in Crimea were the result of the mistakes of the West, and not the success of Russian geopolitics. Russia did not have a clear strategic line of conduct towards Ukraine, limited itself to economic levers of influence, neglected work with the population and did not dare to take decisive actions by announcing them. This makes it possible to establish undivided Western control over Ukraine.

Crimea won, Ukraine lostThe crisis in Ukraine can lead to a significant exacerbation of the threat to the national security of Russia. Ukraine and Ukrainians are too closely connected with Russia and its citizens not only economically, but also ethnically, even at a relative level. Therefore, there is the possibility of an attempt to repeat the Ukrainian scenario in Russia.

But this is not the only unpleasant prospect. According to various sources, the association agreement of Ukraine and the European Union provides for a whole package of economic measures, meaning the transfer to the ownership of Western companies of the leading assets of the Ukrainian economy. The same goal is pursued by the provision of Western loans to Ukraine. In particular, it assumes the transfer of the Ukrainian trunk pipelines fully into the ownership of the American company Chevron. Owners of the leading enterprises of Ukraine, in particular of the Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporizhia metallurgical plants, should transfer the percent of their shares to not less than 50 to German companies. Western companies are also claiming for the Nikolaev Shipbuilding Plant, enterprises of the Ukrainian aircraft industry and rocket production, in particular, the famous Yuzhmash, as well as the industrial complex of Kharkiv, primarily in terms of rolling stock production for the Russian railways and armored vehicles. At the same time, it must be remembered that a significant part of the Ukrainian production capacity belongs to Russian companies. Probably, it is their property that will be confiscated in the first place for transfer to the western "partners". There is evidence that the association agreement with the EU provides for the deployment of the area of ​​the US missile defense (PRO) near Kharkov.

Thus, even if the Crimea becomes Russian, the remaining regions of Ukraine will remain under the control of the Kiev government and, accordingly, the West, and Russia will suffer heavy economic losses. At the same time, threats to the national security of our country will increase significantly.

And although it is clear that at this stage the operation to seize Ukraine by the West has largely failed, the struggle is not over. In this regard, it is important to analyze the mistakes of the Russian strategy towards Ukraine.

There is no clear strategy

First of all, it should be noted that judging by the nature of Russia's actions with regard to Ukraine, the Russian elite did not have any clearly formulated strategy of behavior and probably does not even have it now. Active actions of the Russian state, as a rule, were undertaken in response to any events in Ukraine. That is, it was not Russia that purposefully influenced the situation in Ukraine, but was driven, following the trends in the development of the situation in this country, the direction of which was determined by other forces.

This was a key miscalculation, which decisively determined the current extremely dangerous situation on our south-western borders.

An important miscalculation of the Russian policy towards Ukraine was a bet on interaction exclusively with the Ukrainian elite. At the same time, practically no attention was paid to work with the Ukrainian population. In Ukraine, there has long been a large number of pro-Russian-oriented political organizations, parties and social movements. However, none of them received from Russia even the most insignificant help. The work was carried out only by Russian patriotic organizations and movements, which, relying on their extremely weak capabilities and without any support from the state, carried out communication with their Ukrainian colleagues to the best of their ability. In particular, the Union of Officers was and remains one of such organizations.

Obviously, it was assumed that the favorable attitude of the Ukrainian ruling group could guarantee the foreign policy of this country acceptable to Russia, as well as the protection of our economic interests in Ukraine.

Meanwhile, the West, primarily the United States, behaved in a completely different way. He paid great attention to work with the population. There are only 200 in Ukraine of various non-profit organizations (NPOs) related to Western countries in Ukraine, while Russia has none. At the same time, Western elites more effectively influenced the Ukrainian situation than the Russian elite. This, in fact, determined that the West was able to organize mass demonstrations against the current government and control the development of the situation, however, only in the initial period of crisis. And Russia had only economic and diplomatic levers, completely ineffective in a situation of acute political crisis. Thus, the West, while preparing for the operation to take over Ukraine, worked with the population, shaping its agent of influence, practically without any competition from Russia, having achieved a significant impact on the worldview of Ukrainians. Although even relatively insignificant efforts of the Russian leadership in this direction could provide an incomparably greater level of Russian influence, especially in the south-eastern regions.

The big miscalculation of the Russian policy towards Ukraine was to rely solely on the economic levers of influence. The Russian elite probably believed that Ukraine’s dependence on Russia on gas supplies and the orientation of Ukrainian industry to the Russian market, as well as the control of Russian companies over the most important Ukrainian industrial enterprises, ensure reliable influence on Ukrainian politics.

However, as shown by the events of recent months in Ukraine, this calculation turned out to be incorrect. Moreover, the Russian economic demarches, in particular the “gas wars”, primarily affected the population’s mood, worsening its attitude towards Russia. Whereas the Ukrainian oligarchs only enriched themselves on this. Neglect of information warfare technologies has led to the fact that today the threat of losing Ukraine, with its transition to the full control of the West, has become a reality.

With the beginning of the Ukrainian crisis, Russia actually limited itself to only diplomatic measures. Real attempts to organize and support the pro-Russian-oriented part of the Ukrainian population, especially in the south-eastern regions of Ukraine, were not made. The economic measures that Russia traditionally used could have had an effect only in the long term (by the standards of the development of the crisis) perspective, and could not directly influence the events in Kiev. Moreover, they contributed to the increased aggressiveness of the anti-Russian forces in Ukraine. As a result, in the main part of the territory of Ukraine (with the exception of Crimea), the anti-Russian Right Sector and other related nationalist organizations became the dominant organized force. And numerous pro-Russian political and public organizations and parties did not significantly influence the development of the situation in Ukraine.

Only with the beginning of an open armed confrontation between the authorities and the opposition, when the threat of the coming to power of radical nationalists became apparent, self-defense forces began to form in the south-eastern regions of Ukraine. However, in this case, the participation of Russia was negligible. Everything was decided by local public organizations and political parties with active support in some cases of local authorities. Even after the overthrow of the legitimate president of the country, Yanukovich, and the start of mass demonstrations by the population of the south-eastern regions against the expansion of the illegal Kiev government, the Russian leadership limited itself to their informational support in the media. As a result, the effective formation of an effective system of opposition to the Kiev usurpers failed. Even the congress of councils of all levels in the south-east of Ukraine did not lead to the creation of a unified defense system of this most important region for Russia. Although the minimum organizational and personnel support from Russia would allow it to be done in a short time. For example, several hundred well-trained and organized volunteers from Russia could easily penetrate transparent borders into Ukraine and quickly ensure the formation of sufficiently capable self-defense forces in key areas of southeastern Ukraine to counter the Right Sector militants and retain control over the most important administrative buildings and other key objects. An example of this can serve as an event in the Crimea.

Due to the lack of a clear organization of the pro-Russian forces in almost all areas of the south-east of Ukraine, they failed to consolidate the initial success. And this ultimately led to the forced direct intervention of Russia in the events in Ukraine.

Swipe without a beat

The appeal of the Russian President to the Federal Assembly with a request to grant him the right to deploy troops to Ukraine under special conditions and obtaining consent to this against the background of unscheduled exercises of border districts of Russia could mean only one thing - the immediate entry of Russian troops into the pro-Russian south-eastern regions of Ukraine. Implemented suddenly in a short time, he would take the West by surprise. The response would take time, which was quite enough to legitimize such actions, for example, with the help of the relevant statement by President Yanukovych or the appeal of the newly assembled congress of councils of the south-east of Ukraine. New regional and local governments could be formed quickly. Possible speeches of supporters of Kiev Maidan could be easily neutralized by the operatively created detachments of local self-defense from among the citizens of Ukraine. As a result, after diplomatic attacks, the West would either have to go back to the terms of the February 21 agreement (more precisely, more actively achieve this from the Kiev usurpers, which would be much easier if the Russian troops were present in Ukraine) while maintaining a single and neutral Ukraine. with a radical increase in Russian influence, or agree to its section.

However, after receiving permission from the Federal Assembly of the troops did not take place. Moreover, the exercises prematurely curtailed. Russia swung, but did not hit. This, of course, is the most dangerous miscalculation of the Russian leadership. The West would not have decided on a military operation against Russia. Especially if he were seriously convinced of Russia's determination to use military force to protect their vital interests. Diplomatic demarches and threats became no less. However, the resolution of the Ukrainian crisis in an acceptable variant for Russia was not achieved.

Today, more than ever, the final loss for Russia of the entire southeast of Ukraine is real. And even the possible accession of the Crimea does not eliminate the emerging threats.

The illegal Verkhovna Rada in Kiev began legal preparations for the integration of Ukraine into NATO. In response, the Supreme Council of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, a completely legitimate legislative body in Crimea, almost unanimously decided to reunite with Russia and join it as a subject of the Federation.

NATO is increasing the grouping of its air forces in the area adjacent to Ukraine and near the borders with Russia. A group of US fighters arrived at the Baltic airfields. Groupings increased aviation NATO in Germany and Poland. The number of US warships in the Black Sea exceeds 10 units, including the 6th control ship fleetdesigned to control the actions of carrier-based aviation during its participation in an air offensive operation. To date, at least two aircraft carriers are known - “George W. Bush” and “Dwight Eisenhower”, which arrived in the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea with guarding ships (their total number can reach 22–28 units). It is possible that another two or three American aircraft carriers from the US Atlantic Fleet are moving to the zone of potential conflict. According to some reports, George W. Bush has shifted to the Sea of ​​Marmara region, approaching the Ukrainian and Russian shores. In the Black Sea, exercises are being conducted by the US Navy, Bulgaria and Romania.

The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine announced the start of unscheduled exercises near the Crimea and south-eastern regions of Ukraine. Thus, preparation for a forceful action is clearly visible.

The United States in an attempt to establish control over Ukraine with reliance on soft power at this stage suffered a defeat. However, they cannot refuse such a “prize” - the price is too high. After all, Ukraine is the key to Russia both from the military-strategic and from the socio-economic point of view. Therefore, the struggle for Ukraine continues. The West needs time to prepare a new, more effective and decisive offensive. Obviously, the matter will not be limited to soft power. Probably, an attempt will be made to repeat the Syrian or Libyan scenario in Ukraine.

Given the time required to create a NATO force group sufficient to invade Ukraine and deter Russia’s response to force, the second NATO operation against Ukraine can be expected after the election of 25 in May, when an authority with at least an imitation of legitimacy will be formed. During this time, you can manage to take control of "armed freemen" from the "Right Sector" (partly to bribe with money or posts, and isolate the rest), and also form some kind of regular power structures controlled by the Kiev authorities and able to solve at least the most limited range of tasks.

Further, on the orders of the newly elected authorities, these formations in Kiev will begin an operation to “restore the territorial integrity of Ukraine and fight against the separatists”. After the very first failures (which is very likely), the Kiev government will turn to NATO for help, which will follow, of course, in the form of large-scale deployment of NATO troops to Ukraine. The combat structure of the invasion grouping will be such that Russia obviously does not have a desire to oppose its Armed Forces. Then Ukraine for Russia will be lost forever. And for our elite, this will mean that she has embarked on the “Yanukovych path”.

Russia, which did not use the possibility of a sudden entry of its troops to the entire territory of southeastern Ukraine during the first two days, while the Western elites were in a state of shock, today can no longer carry out such an action, and moreover cannot do it in the future, if the situation will not change radically.

What to do

Now Russia has the only way out of this situation. Continuing to build up a complex of diplomatic, political, economic and informational measures to protect their interests and the friendly population in Ukraine, focus on building forces capable of defending the independence of the pro-Russian regions of south-eastern Ukraine.

This goal can be achieved by contributing to the formation of highly organized and well-equipped self-defense forces with a total strength of at least 100 thousand people. To this end, it is advisable to promote or at least not hinder the movement of volunteers from Russia to Ukraine. At the same time, funds and commercial organizations that provide them with material assistance should be encouraged by the state. Especially those who will help the most prepared volunteers from among the former employees of special services, officers of special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB and the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. If two or three thousand such volunteers get to Ukraine, then they will be able, together with their colleagues from the local reserve officers, to form in a very short time the combat-ready self-defense forces of the required number.

In the case of the Kiev government’s attempt to establish control over the southeastern regions, such formations will be able to defend independence. And if the invasion of NATO begins, then these forces can hold the ground groups of the aggressor for two or three days, which is enough for Russia’s timely deployment of troops and covering all or part of the south-east of Ukraine. The North Atlantic Alliance will not decide on a direct military confrontation with the Russian Federation, and the line of contact between the Russian and NATO troops will become the border separating the two new Ukrainian states.

However, the events related to the attempt of Ukraine’s integration into NATO and the decision of the Crimea to reunite with Russia radically aggravate the situation in Ukraine. Therefore, the military scenario can begin to be carried out much earlier.
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  1. Keeper
    Keeper 25 March 2014 09: 17
    +23
    The sooner they start, the more quickly expire!
    The bunch is loud, but there is still no traction ....
    And then, in Russia everyone is ready for any outcome!
    A hot summer without Russian gas cannot replace the cold winter in the EU ..... without Russian gas ...
    1. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 25 March 2014 15: 16
      +51
      What for and ... did the diot write an article? Is this we do not have a clear line? Everything is clearly indicated in the message of the President. What is NATO in Lugansk? This is an article by Bendera.
      1. a52333
        a52333 25 March 2014 15: 22
        +8
        Yes, they have all of these in the Academy of Geopolitical Problems. This follow, I forgot how he constantly writes articles in style, everything is gone, the plaster is removed ... Ivashov in my opinion
        1. Spnsr
          Spnsr 25 March 2014 15: 37
          +11
          something later ignition some!
          Now Russia has the only way out of this situation. Continuing to build up a package of diplomatic, political, economic and informational measures to protect their interests and friendly people in Ukraine, to focus on creating forces capable of upholding the independence of the pro-Russian regions of southeastern Ukraine - that was from the very beginning! and if this is the first, then all of the above loses its meaning!
          1. Ataman
            Ataman 25 March 2014 16: 48
            +15
            The Academy of Geopolitical Problems does not exist, there is a non-profit public organization "Academy of Geopolitical Problems" with fake doctors, professors and a "president."
            1. jjj
              jjj 25 March 2014 16: 58
              +2
              People sometimes need to show publications. So that the financing of projects does not stop. Well it's like with business dissertations
        2. avt
          avt 25 March 2014 16: 06
          +8
          Quote: a52333
          Yes, they have all of these in the Academy of Geopolitical Problems. This follow, I forgot how he constantly writes articles in style, everything is gone, the plaster is removed ... Ivashov in my opinion

          Yeah, there is such a voivode, their main spiritual father is campaigning. The article is of course rare nonsense, especially in terms of the immediate deployment of troops during the first two days fool What did he think at all !? The GDP provided everything legally competently, so much so that, by and large, we have nothing to present, and now these childish sanctions appeared. In the East and South, NOBODY did what Konstantinov and his comrades did, as a completely legitimate government in the region. And Sivkov, against this background, got carried away, it went into "geopolitics", it would be better if he wrote with joy - to inflict a tactical nuclear strike and launch tanks to the English Channel, as they taught at the Academy in the classroom, but no, he began to be clever. I realized that after a successful throw over the hip, VVP was unable to perform a painful hold and took a choke hold.
          1. rkkasa xnumx
            rkkasa xnumx 25 March 2014 17: 21
            +3
            Quote: avt
            .Article of course is rare raving, especially in terms of the immediate deployment of troops during the first two days

            But for the sake of this:

            it must be remembered that a significant part of Ukrainian production capacity belongs to Russian companies. It is likely that their property will be primarily confiscated quite possible. And the bydloctorate won't even ask if he wants to fight for the interests of the OLIGARCH or not.

            It is too early to draw final conclusions, but there are some suspicions. Wait and see.
          2. Akhtuba73
            Akhtuba73 25 March 2014 17: 53
            +4
            Quote: avt
            that the GDP, after a successful throw through the hip, was not able to immediately take a painful hold and took the hold on a strangler.

            I would say not "I could not conduct it right away ..." but "I did not conduct it ..."
            If GDP could not, he would not start doing it. And so, it’s also nothing that suffocates, the difference with the pain in the power of a palm strike on the tatami of the losing side (when it is immediately and very painful - you pound harder and louder)
          3. schizophrenic
            schizophrenic 25 March 2014 21: 52
            0
            Quote: avt
            and let the tanks go to the English Channel, as the Academy taught in the classroom, so no, he started to get smart.

            I figured that’s what happened. Ukraine ended up with a severed limb, and Europe was strangled in seizure, because attempts to impose European sanctions are very similar to strangulation, twitched a little and strangulation begins. True, Europe is twitching. And for America, GDP has its own move.
          4. saber1357
            saber1357 25 March 2014 23: 09
            0
            Tanks to the English Channel and boots, as you know, in the Indian Ocean ...
      2. Stiletto
        Stiletto 25 March 2014 15: 28
        +9
        Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
        This is an article by Bendera.


        That is not, this is Sivkov’s nonsense.
        1. askort154
          askort154 25 March 2014 15: 39
          +7
          Stiletto ... That is not, this is Sivkov’s nonsense.


          That is not, this is a real "bullshit".
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 25 March 2014 15: 40
          +8
          Quote: Stiletto
          That is not, this is Sivkov’s nonsense.

          Yes .. not .., it’s a veiled call to unleash a civil war in Ukraine, with fears about NATO.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 25 March 2014 15: 58
            +14
            Quote: Tersky
            call to unleash a civil war in Ukraine

            Victor, do you hope that she will not be? The article is of course exhaustive, but there is common sense - the governors appointed by Kiev are sitting in their offices, and rallies against them are fewer. I don’t have any doubts about the outcome of the elections in Ukraine - a pro-Western government will come to power, the southeast will either be quietly calmed down or there will be a civil war, with a mandatory appeal for help from the newly elected president. Guess to whom?
            1. saber1357
              saber1357 25 March 2014 23: 10
              +1
              To Ingvar, a true Swedish Catholic, who gives us morons midnight his super-valuable advice. Still, is it, one, this time not a regular one, but a TRAINLESS provocateur?
      3. GDP
        GDP 25 March 2014 15: 39
        +17
        Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
        What for and ... did the diot write an article? Is this we do not have a clear line? Everything is clearly indicated in the message of the President. What is NATO in Lugansk? This is an article by Bendera.

        And I agree with the author - I do not feel the support of pro-Russian forces in eastern Ukraine - except moral.
        I watched a video chat of Donetsk anti-Maidan activists, they tried to organize a rally, and also raised funds to help the victims of the last rally - they collected a little more than 2000 hryvnia.
        As far as I understand the Kiev Maidan, neither in money nor in infrastructure facilities (toilets, tents, cars, etc. ...) had flaws ...
        Bribed by the media paid for the presence on the Maidan, food and more.
        Maidan ate millions of dollars every day - this is not counting the funds poured into the media and various organizations ...
        The question is, does our country have such opportunities?
        Does Russia really have no opportunity to support in terms of organization?
        There is no way to provide advice, assistance from specialists?
        Establishing financial assistance?

        Now, of course, everyone will say - there is no one to pay, no one to help ...
        No one! Because the Kiev Maidan was supported and organized virtually from the outside, and in the east everything rests on an honest pioneer and spontaneous organization ...

        As for Luhansk, we have all the chances to see NATO there, not today, not tomorrow, but in a few years, but this will not be avoided if Ukraine continues its previous course, and I see no other alternative for the current "government" of Ukraine ...
        1. vedmeddd
          vedmeddd 25 March 2014 16: 02
          +8
          Wait, everything will be! Such a plan! when it all started everyone wondered: why Russia is silent! And here on you - our Crimea! Not that Russia began to let NATO to its borders! And, most importantly, no one even noticed that Russia has changed, even the Russians themselves, and when they noticed, the West was really scared, and in our country there is such a surge of patriotism, mother do not grieve !!! I’m from my friends who constantly hated the GDP, now I hear something completely different, and I also hear in their voice the beginnings of pride and patriotism and it makes me happy, it means EVERYTHING WILL BE GOOD! WILL LIVE!
          1. GDP
            GDP 25 March 2014 16: 23
            +14
            Quote: vedmeddd
            Wait, everything will be!

            Yes, I agree with you! For the first time, I fully approve of Putin’s policies. In Ukraine, they say that our people are against it, but this is just the opposite. The Russian people have never been so united with the president ...
            Crimea is back! Our Crimea!
            But what will happen to the east and south? Everyone in Russia and Ukraine asks this question, some with fear, others with hope.
            1 Some saythat the east of Russia will simply merge, as local politicians did because it is a piece that Russia can’t swallow, the losses will be too great for our state
            2 others considerthat when the plants become without Russian products, cut off gas, prices jump, then the Ukrainians themselves will crawl to us, in fraternal embrace, I also hope so ...
            But something tells me that this won’t wake up - those on whose shoulders the new government got into Kiev - will not allow it in any way - it is a matter of their survival, they are more likely to sell everything that is in Ukraine, start to ruin their lands with shale gas, put pressure opposition and dissatisfied with any methods, will go to the union even with the devil ...
            You can’t imagine how people are brainwashed in Ukraine - they have a completely different reality there, more precisely, its complete loss as such ...
            1. nahalenok911
              nahalenok911 25 March 2014 18: 27
              0
              "When factories become without Russian products, cut off gas, prices jump, then Ukrainians will crawl to us, into fraternal arms, I also hope so ..."

              Ukrainians may crawl. But RUSSIAN - no!
        2. washi
          washi 25 March 2014 16: 10
          +6
          Quote: GDP
          And I agree with the author - I do not feel the support of pro-Russian forces in eastern Ukraine - except moral.

          And rightly so.
          We got sick in the 90s. And they laughed at us.
          Now it's their turn.
          We made our choice.
          They are not.
          If Kiev is completely slaughtered (like Russians in Chechnya or Central Asia) I won’t be offended.
          This is their choice.
          Russian Baltic states also made their choice. (They showed one such thing on TV: supported Natsik for Europe.)
          I am more interested in (if Ukraine sues us over the nationalization of Ukrainian property in Crimea) will our response require compensation for lost personal property in the former USSR?
        3. zzz
          zzz 25 March 2014 16: 28
          +4
          Quote: GDP
          And I agree with the author - I do not feel the support of pro-Russian forces in eastern Ukraine - except moral.


          I agree ... maybe because we don’t know everything ... but now, if you imagine for a moment that tomorrow, right tomorrow morning in the Kharkov and Donetsk districts, the United States will land? What will Russia do?
        4. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 25 March 2014 16: 29
          0
          Quote: GDP
          And I agree with the author - I do not feel the support of pro-Russian forces in eastern Ukraine - except moral.

          and what should be the support?
          1. zzz
            zzz 25 March 2014 16: 31
            +4
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            and what should be the support?


            Material, and instructor.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 25 March 2014 16: 37
              +1
              Quote: zzz
              Material, and instructor.

              1 material - to whom and for what. now it’s absolutely not real
              2 instructor - if it is, then we will not know about it, just as if it is not
          2. GDP
            GDP 25 March 2014 16: 39
            +7
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Quote: GDP
            And I agree with the author - I do not feel the support of pro-Russian forces in eastern Ukraine - except moral.

            and what should be the support?

            And what was the support on the Maidan from the countries of Europe and the USA?

            We recall the speeches of one lady from the State Department:
            "We have invested $ 5 in democracy in Ukraine!

            We recall the bags of money that were unloaded from the American embassy ...

            We recall the seminars on the conduct of protests and coups, which were held for several years at the expense of Western sponsors by their own instructors.

            We think - with whose money dry closets bought, who paid for the shit removal, food, who paid for the participation of supporters from 200 to 500 hryvnias per day - for each - tens of thousands!

            who managed to interest the rectors of institutes and directors of enterprises so that students calmly skipped classes and employees did not go to work? What kind of cones? Is free? For so? - sorry, I won’t believe it ...

            And now compare with the budget the grief of the organizers of the rally in Donetsk - 2000 hryvnia ... Comparable figures?
            We will be honest with the current authorities, slowly but surely changing the situation there in their favor, gaining control over the situation ...
            What can not be done by the way in the west.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 25 March 2014 16: 43
              +2
              Quote: GDP
              "We have invested $ 5 in democracy in Ukraine!

              first of all, we need people in whom we would invest, in addition, we have very much gone through with "Khakamad's" nonsense about the self-regulation of markets and ideological space.
              in a snap and swelling of funds now nothing can be achieved.
              need a long time gradually and carefully
              1. Jogan-xnumx
                Jogan-xnumx 25 March 2014 18: 11
                +3
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                First of all, we need people in whom we would invest

                There are people, but will you invest? Or just show off alone?
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                need a long time gradually and carefully

                After that, no one will need anything. There will not be those who need it!
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 25 March 2014 18: 26
                  +2
                  Quote: Jogan-64
                  There are people, but will you invest? Or just show off alone?

                  Well, since such a tough conversation, let's clean.
                  Aksyonov said and did the main thing - I take all responsibility on myself, I ask for help from Russia, thereby I untied Russia's hands.
                  what the Southeast does, forgive NOTHING, there is no main thing, there is no one who will take responsibility.
                  except for the talking room, they gathered the congress, proverbially wandered and resolved without a trace.
                  no need to put pressure on pity, in your east not everything is clear and not everything is torn to Russia
                  1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
                    Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 25 March 2014 19: 06
                    +5
                    Aksenov also did not immediately express a desire for the annexation of Crimea to Russia. For a long time, our special services had to pick up a sane and competent person from politicians in eastern Ukraine, interest them in their prospects, ensure materially and ensure the safety of him and his relatives. In the future, with his help, to select people to lead self-defense forces, organizers of rallies and other public events, well, etc. increasingly. We have all let it drift. In any case, no activity is visible.
                    1. Turkir
                      Turkir 25 March 2014 20: 08
                      +3
                      Our special services have long been .. Next, I would write a whole list of what should be done. It makes no sense.
                      Now, it remains to turn off the gas, hand out weapons to the southeast and disconnect our oligarchs from all the tips and secrets, recruit new advisers: analysts, economists, financiers. We need a clear plan implemented in the shortest possible time, we are late.
                      Putting Zurabov as ambassador to Ukraine is an unforgivable mistake, not to mention the director of a furniture store.
                    2. mark7
                      mark7 25 March 2014 20: 53
                      +2
                      Quote: Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
                      Our special services had long had to

                      I agree it is necessary to secure the leaders in the first place, our special services could prompt and help, but it can be seen so far that this task is not set.
                  2. Jogan-xnumx
                    Jogan-xnumx 25 March 2014 19: 56
                    +5
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Well, since such a tough conversation, let's clean.

                    To cleanliness - please! Crimea initially had autonomy status, its own Council and government. The legal base is very different from the east. Rigid overlap of Perekop - and penetration of the peninsula has become very difficult. The sea does not particularly transfer significant forces. Small groups were caught and neutralized. In the east, for similar protection, it is necessary to create a dense all-round defense. Than???
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    what the Southeast does, forgive NOTHING, there is no main thing, there is no one who will take responsibility.

                    And about the arrests in SE did not hear ??? Kharkiv, Donetsk, Lugansk, Odessa regions officially turned to the Russian Federation for help. Didn’t hear anything either? Leaders are arrested, there is nothing to protect them! With bare hands?
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    gathered Congress, prowled and resolved without a trace.

                    And you know what and to whom after that it was ???
                    This is for information: http://www.vitrenko.org/start.php?lang=1&article_id=19432
                    I know him personally, a worthy person. For others, things are no better. Again the question, WHAT?
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    no need to put pressure on pity, in your east not everything is clear and not everything is torn to Russia

                    Not all, but, the vast majority. And nobody pushes you to pity. Nobody requires anything from you. Just do not tell here what we are no. And after us you will be.
            2. Jogan-xnumx
              Jogan-xnumx 25 March 2014 18: 06
              +5
              Quote: GDP
              And now compare with the budget the grief of the organizers of the rally in Donetsk - 2000 hryvnia ... Comparable figures?
              We will be honest with the current authorities, slowly but surely changing the situation there in their favor, gaining control over the situation ...

              You are right from and to! In SE, this is the case. And I completely agree with the author of the article, with the exception of small details. In SE, people really have practically no means, finances, or at least some equipment. There are a lot of enthusiasts, people who are ready to defend themselves with weapons in their hands, but there is no support either from anyone, while the entire state machine is now working to the full against SE. Local business is shaking for its own skin and took a wait and see attitude. They give nothing and will not give. Local cops, at best, are neutral. SBU obviously works for the junta. That's because the militia has no strength. There is nothing to resist! Local deputies are the essence of the same business, both ours and yours. Who takes a position against the junta is immediately arrested. A couple of dozen hunting farting against a couple of hundred machine guns - outright suicide.
              Those who argue with you here are either far from reality, or the same theoretical fighters as bazaar merchants. hi
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 25 March 2014 18: 29
                0
                Quote: Jogan-64
                There are a lot of enthusiasts, people who are ready to defend themselves with weapons in their hands,

                how much is a lot?
                ready to sound, in the end choose from yourself a leader who will voice the position loudly, who will be able to turn to Russia on behalf of all for help.
                RUSSIA CANNOT BE BROKEN AS AN ELEPHANT NOW, it’s neither good for either the southeast nor Russia
                1. Jogan-xnumx
                  Jogan-xnumx 25 March 2014 20: 23
                  +4
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  how much is a lot?

                  Do you need to make a list?
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  ready to sound, eventually choose a leader

                  Are you really that small or pretending to be? WHAT TO PROTECT ??? Would look at you, how you with a muzzle in your pocket trample on machines. In Kharkov, over there, we tried it in a rush. What happened, heard?
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  RUSSIA CANNOT BREAK NOW AS AN ELEPHANT,

                  And it is not necessary! We need MTO, is that clear? Read the article again and think carefully about what you read. And in addition, collect more information on news Internet resources so that you have a more "picture". Links to help?
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 25 March 2014 20: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Jogan-64
                    Would look at you, how you with a muzzle in your pocket trample on machines.

                    Someone will have to "run over" the machines and even die so that Russia can intervene. As long as you die without resistance, no one intervenes.
                    1. Jogan-xnumx
                      Jogan-xnumx 25 March 2014 20: 42
                      +1
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Someone will have to "run over" the machines and even die so that Russia can intervene.

                      Are you sure you will intervene? Or just scratch your tongue? Are you ready to play your life, as ours? fool
                      1. GDP
                        GDP 27 March 2014 16: 25
                        0
                        From Russia, ordinary people — many want to help. I’ve personally looked for accounts to get over a small but small amount and yell about it wherever possible, I found only one Russian website that collected money in Sevastopol, it was possible to transfer money by any means, including via web mani ...
                        Not a single site in Donetsk or Kharkov did not find ...

                        In social networks - silence, as if all the water in his mouth had typed.

                        Many people want to volunteer to go to eastern Ukraine - this is true, though most of them don’t know where, how, to whom, but those crazy people who still travel alone and in groups are deployed at the border ...
                  2. Cynic
                    Cynic 25 March 2014 21: 07
                    0
                    Quote: Jogan-64
                    We need MTO, is that clear?

                    This MTO on the territory of Ukraine at least ... eat!
                    1. Jogan-xnumx
                      Jogan-xnumx 25 March 2014 23: 52
                      0
                      Quote: Cynic
                      This MTO on the territory of Ukraine at least ... eat!

                      And are you ready to get it with your bare hands when it is blocked? And what kind of MTO do you know? Do not write nonsense ... especially since you only need a start. We will get further ourselves.
                      1. Cynic
                        Cynic 26 March 2014 09: 20
                        -1
                        Quote: Jogan-64
                        especially since only a start is needed.

                        People from Ukraine have already unsubscribed _
                        ... there is. Thanks to the plundered warehouses in Lviv and the greedy law-breakers.

                        And you all sit and wait!
                      2. Jogan-xnumx
                        Jogan-xnumx 26 March 2014 13: 30
                        +1
                        Quote: Cynic
                        People from Ukraine have already unsubscribed

                        Yeah, and I flew from Mars ...
                        Quote: Cynic
                        And you all sit and wait!

                        And you all sit and pretend that you are reasonably reasoning!
                      3. Cynic
                        Cynic 26 March 2014 17: 13
                        -1
                        Quote: Jogan-64
                        Yeah, and I flew from Mars ...

                        Looks like .
                        Quote: Jogan-64
                        And you all sit and pretend that you are reasonably reasoning!

                        It has long been said _
                        It is better to remain silent if there is nothing to say.

                        You would be silent, and you ...
                        There is such a capacious word _ EMPTY.
                        Unfortunately, for now, it fully reflects the content of your comments.
                        request
                      4. Jogan-xnumx
                        Jogan-xnumx 29 March 2014 13: 15
                        0
                        Quote: Cynic
                        There is such a capacious word _ EMPTY.
                        Unfortunately, for now, it fully reflects the content of your comments.

                        You, of course, consider your comments valuable, thoughtful and significant ...
                        Well, yes, sitting on a warm stove - everyone thinks of themselves as strategists ...
                        Quote: Cynic
                        Would you keep silent

                        Begin with yourself, before pointing others. And there will be less empty brems.
        5. value
          value 26 March 2014 07: 35
          -1
          Quote: Jogan-64
          Those who argue with you here are either far from reality, or the same theoretical fighters

          It's all there, including you. Practitioners do their job, without further ado.
          1. Jogan-xnumx
            Jogan-xnumx 26 March 2014 13: 34
            +1
            Quote: valia
            It's all there, including you. Practitioners do their job, without further ado.

            Have you put in your "five cents"? Well done! Now respect yourself a little more for "smart" thought, theorist-practitioner ...
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 26 March 2014 17: 16
              -1
              Quote: Jogan-64
              Have you inserted your "five cents"?

              Eh hehe, the next confirmation is idle talk in your nature.
              request
              1. Jogan-xnumx
                Jogan-xnumx 29 March 2014 13: 26
                0
                Quote: Cynic
                Eh hehe, the next confirmation is idle talk in your nature.

                All by itself would not be necessary, huh? Essentially nothing to say, so from a sore head - to a healthy ... fool
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 29 March 2014 13: 31
                  0
                  You don’t understand anything, unfortunately.
                  Goodbye
  2. vlad0
    vlad0 25 March 2014 16: 47
    +4
    That's right, but forget one more thing:
    For 23 years, Ukrainians have been clearly hammered into their brains - all the problems are due to Russia, and now most of our "brothers" are anti-Russian, and on the South-East they are not for reunification with Russia, but for FEDERALIZATION.
    Well, if we had brought in troops there at the end of February, then everyone would have started gouging us there: both the right-wing people and the "undecided swamp", of which there are now 60 to 80%, and even those who support self-determination. ANTI-RUSSIAN MOOD IS EXTREMELY HIGH THERE NOW !!!!
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 25 March 2014 20: 27
      0
      Quote: vlad0
      ANTI-RUSSIAN MOOD THERE IS EXTREMELY HIGH !!!!

      Stupidity !!!!!!!!!!!! At least to the southeast.
  3. Yarik
    Yarik 25 March 2014 18: 14
    +1
    VVP respected, while I read the comments here, I fully expressed my thoughts in terms of the article. "+"
  4. Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 25 March 2014 19: 03
    +4
    Quote: GDP
    Now, of course, everyone will say - there is no one to pay, no one to help ...
    No one! Because the Kiev Maidan was supported and organized virtually from the outside, and in the east everything rests on an honest pioneer and spontaneous organization ...

    good There is someone! The East really rests on honest pioneering, while pravoseki have a strong support. In the east, at least half of this support will go like a snowball! Otherwise, the east will be crushed and NATO will all of us ...
  • Horst78
    Horst78 25 March 2014 15: 43
    +5
    Another thing pins me. Something we have in Russia such "Academies" and "Academics" a dime a dozen, but what's the point?
    1. washi
      washi 25 March 2014 16: 12
      0
      Quote: Horst78
      Another thing pins me. Something we have in Russia such "Academies" and "Academics" a dime a dozen, but what's the point?

      Citizens receive money from sponsors. They pay taxes.
  • Polovec
    Polovec 25 March 2014 15: 44
    +12
    Unfortunately, the author is almost right in everything. The waiting position has already shown its futility in 2004 in Ukraine, and the annexation of the Crimea is by no means a victory for diplomacy and power.
    A passive position in this case is criminal and will lead to disaster.
    I completely agree with the author that it is now necessary to super-activate at work with the people of the Southeast and remember that Moscow has nowhere to retreat. I’m not sure, however, that this task is within the capabilities of our special services and authorities in the current state.
    Perhaps now it is necessary to devote all efforts to holding elections in May in a pro-Russian vein, and moving on to negotiations with the legitimate authorities, try to cancel the agreements with the West that Yatsenyuk has now adopted.
    Everything is very difficult and unpredictable. There is still no NORMAL Ambassador of the Russian Federation to Ukraine. Having sent to Ukraine a failed minister, we got a failed policy in a fraternal, in fact, state.
    Tired of listening to clowns who like a mantra talk about gas, as a solution to all problems! The EU are serious and pragmatic people who are also in vassal dependence on the United States and under no circumstances will they put themselves in a situation where their economy and comfort will depend on the desire of the Russian Federation. They are looking for a way out and they will find it.
    So far, everything is bad with us. I hope that our government understands this and is preparing for the struggle for Ukraine In which we cannot afford to lose.
    1. oldstaryi
      oldstaryi 25 March 2014 15: 56
      +9
      Uh no, shy! You can’t climb into New Russia yourself. We need a pretext, otherwise it will be aggression with all the consequences. Let them hold referendums. What are they pulling? It was necessary to carry out the Crimea until March 16. wassat
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 25 March 2014 16: 01
        +4
        Quote: oldstaryi
        Let them hold referendums. What are they pulling?

        So the author speaks about this, there are 200 NPOs in pendos, and we have none.
        At the same time, foundations and commercial organizations providing them with material assistance should be encouraged by the state. Especially those who will help the most trained volunteers from among the former special services officers, special forces officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB and the RF Armed Forces. If two or three thousand such volunteers go to Ukraine, they will be able to work together with colleagues from among local reserve officers to form combat forces of self-defense of the required strength in a very short time.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 25 March 2014 16: 35
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          So the author speaks about this, there are 200 NPOs at the end, and we have none.

          how many NGOs were there in Crimea, that’s not the problem, the Leader was found in the Crimea, but not in the southeast
      2. Val_y
        Val_y 25 March 2014 16: 50
        +8
        Smart, huh ??? Think where the brains should lie ?? And there would have been a referendum in Crimea if it had not appeared at all corners, eh ???? So what was captured in Donetsk, Lugansk, Odessa, the administration, the prosecutor's office, forced to hold referendums, and ??? You think what, why ABSOLUTELY ALL leaders, local administrations, throughout the southeast were fired, eh ??? All the leaders of the southeast were imprisoned, and most likely will be flooded (Gubarev is in a coma). So if there is no appearance of "polite green people" then ...
        1. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 25 March 2014 20: 34
          0
          Quote: Val_Y
          You think that, for what ABSOLUTELY ALL leaders, local administrations, were fired all over the southeast, and ???

          Exactly! The necessary signatures for referenda in regions and districts have already been collected, no matter how people are crushed. But they will not be allowed to conduct them even for federalization.
    2. washi
      washi 25 March 2014 16: 17
      +1
      Quote: Polovec
      So far so bad

      Quote: Polovec
      now it is necessary to superactivize at work with the people of the Southeast

      And how to combine all this?
      Or are you sick with an all-Ukrainian disease - schizophrenia?
      Salvation of drowning people is the work of drowning people themselves.
      If the drowning man is not properly assisted, then you can drown
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 25 March 2014 16: 26
        +7
        Quote: Vasya
        Salvation of drowning people is the work of drowning people themselves.

        But we simply must abandon the life buoy, in the form of assistance in organizing self-defense and financing pro-Russian leaders. As the United States did for its part.
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 25 March 2014 16: 33
      +1
      Quote: Polovec
      A passive position in this case is criminal and will lead to disaster.

      no need to run ahead of the engine.

      bring the troops to the east now and the stench will be to the skies, they may and they want to stumble with the Crimea, but they cannot much, there was a referendum, there was a request for help, historical realities
      with east and south everything is different
      I’ll say a cynical thing until there is blood, Russia has no reason to send troops or somehow actively intervene.
    4. zzz
      zzz 25 March 2014 16: 38
      +8
      Quote: Polovec
      A passive position in this case is criminal and will lead to disaster.


      I agree too! As long as the Southeast has a fuse, it needs to be helped to maintain a spark. A spark of hope for deliverance from the current government in Kiev. You cannot kill this hope with their inaction. They will simply stop believing in Russia. I’m not saying that you need to send troops there, but to help somehow more clearly, tangibly, so that they feel this support. And what we are helping is only that channel 24 broadcasts all day long: oh, what rallies ...
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 25 March 2014 16: 40
        -1
        Quote: zzz
        somehow more clearly, tangibly, so that they feel this support.

        help example call.
        besides how do you know that there is no help, or there is one.
        By the way, if they found out about this help, then the person responsible for this should be brought to justice
        1. zzz
          zzz 25 March 2014 16: 51
          +4
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          help example call.


          An example of help I mentioned above.


          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          besides how do you know that there is no help, or there is one.


          One can see how the rallies are organized, they fill out almost on their knees, I don’t even know what to call petitions, calls, there is one tent and one table on the street, again there are not many loudspeakers ... but what am I going to list now? Who looks, he sees and understands what I'm talking about.

          By the way, if they found out about this help, then the person responsible for this should be brought to justice

          And where did I say so that everyone would find out who helps them and how? That's what the specialists are.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 25 March 2014 17: 31
            0
            Quote: zzz
            An example of help I mentioned above.

            But how do you imagine this ?!
            well, and besides, how do you know if this help is there or not
      2. zzz
        zzz 25 March 2014 22: 18
        0




        That's how Bandera want to crack down
  • Hamul
    Hamul 25 March 2014 15: 50
    +1
    One must ask - and who allocates money to this institution?
  • Angry reader
    Angry reader 25 March 2014 16: 04
    0
    Look who the author is, he has a constant depression with panic mixed up ...
  • Setrac
    Setrac 25 March 2014 16: 13
    0
    Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
    What for and ... Diot wrote an article?

    The meaning of the article is poor, miserable, all-prosperous Russia, this is the Russia that the West dreams of.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 25 March 2014 16: 27
    +6
    in general, according to some indirect sign, everything was not spontaneous as some journalists write, chevrons were made in advance for the Crimean "militia", about the bridge that needs to be built Medvedev said even before the Crimea "buzu" started, again all assets were taken out of the blow sanctions in advance and it seems to me that this is not all and not the end, but only the beginning of the game.
    you can treat Vovochka in different ways, but one thing is for sure, he "plays" better than "maxim"
    1. value
      value 26 March 2014 07: 50
      0
      Vovochka can be treated differently, but one thing is certain, he "plays" better than "maxim"
      golden words +++
  • Albert1988
    Albert1988 25 March 2014 16: 29
    -1
    Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
    ё for and ... Diot wrote an article?

    I agree 100%, the author urgently needs to be either checked for anti-plagiarism or urgently sent to retire. he either bought a degree for himself, or such antiques that he has no idea how such things are done in the XNUMXst century. Can't this "dohtur" analyze the situation with the Crimea - there, too, Russia was silent at first, and then once and everything is ready. Yes, it is necessary to start the reform of science not from the Russian Academy of Sciences, but from such second-class academies, where it is not clear who is sitting.
  • Val_y
    Val_y 25 March 2014 16: 37
    +1
    The provocateur damn it angry
  • Rusin Dima
    Rusin Dima 25 March 2014 18: 49
    +1
    Russia in the information field did not work with the population of Ukraine, and are they themselves completely stupid people? Explain elementary things 10 times, if the history of world and local conflicts and the "help" of our Western "friends" teaches nothing, then there is only medicine and not Putin
  • Lvovich
    Lvovich 25 March 2014 19: 41
    0
    Judo is still cooler wink
  • Kite
    Kite 25 March 2014 20: 04
    -1
    Something for the second time they begin to present. They have already laid out very similar nonsense and also criticized it strongly here. If the author really wants to, then I can repeat it again and even harder: .... to him, not the doctor ....! I agree with you:
    Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
    What for and ... Diot wrote an article?
  • Siberian German
    Siberian German 25 March 2014 20: 12
    +3
    and if without tantrums - I have a question how our ours in the Donbass differ from ours in the Crimea why don’t we help them where the logic doesn’t cost that strategically we need them no less
  • saber1357
    saber1357 25 March 2014 23: 07
    0
    Judging by the next comment on this, using your term, an idiot, I get the impression that there is a staff provocateur at VO. Otherwise it is impossible to explain why an obvious clinical pessimist + with a clear loss of logic and far from an objective assessment + with clearly defeatist sentiments is published on VO (which, as I recall, stands for "Military Review"). If he is a regular provocateur, then it is clear that VO trains us so that they do not peck at any nasty things. if not, don't understand tady vaasche.
  • W1950
    W1950 25 March 2014 15: 16
    +14
    And in my opinion this is a provocative little article.
    1. Duke
      Duke 25 March 2014 15: 30
      +5
      And in my opinion this is a provocative little article.

      I totally agree.
    2. DEfindER
      DEfindER 25 March 2014 16: 34
      +4
      Quote: W1950
      provocative little article.

      The main provocation here is a clear call for the entry of Russian troops, for no reason at all .. But some things are still true, for example, at the expense of the absolutely pointless congress of deputies of the southeast who have not decided anything. And it was necessary at least to adopt a resolution on the subordination of the entire Ministry of Internal Affairs and the army of at least the southeastern regions to representatives of the legitimate authority, i.e. Yanukovych or, if not, the governors of these regions, as was the case in Crimea. The governors, in turn, had to make a statement about the non-recognition of power in Kiev, and accordingly not follow their instructions .. but they didn’t even do this, as a result, all anti-Maidan governors are sitting, and oligarchs are missing in their places .. This is some kind of betrayal or idiocy. Now what can be done is difficult to say, when all the MIAs of the Southeast have already changed and they will not allow the overthrow of appointees, and accordingly they will clean up all those who disagree .. perhaps only by organizing anti-Maidan in all cities of the Southeast, and in the same way to demolish these impostors ..
  • svetlomor
    svetlomor 25 March 2014 15: 22
    +2
    First of all, it should be noted that judging by the nature of Russia's actions towards Ukraine, the Russian elite did not have any clearly formulated strategy of behavior, and probably does not even now.
    Maybe the lack of a strategy is the best strategy, the sooner this elite gets bogged down the better, and do countries with territorial problems already get into NATO.
  • xan
    xan 25 March 2014 15: 31
    +2
    Quote: Keeper
    And then, in Russia everyone is ready for any outcome!

    Russia in Ukraine cannot lose in any situation. I constantly hear from my friends from Kiev throughout the entire time of independence - we are now a separate country, now only mutually beneficial equal partnership. Well, if so, what can be the downsides - Crimea, the best region of Ukraine from the point of view of Russia, is already ours. And nothing is finished yet.
    1. washi
      washi 25 March 2014 16: 21
      0
      Quote: xan
      Russia in Ukraine cannot lose in any situation.

      And we have already won.
      Now let them figure it out.
      Refugees should only be allowed to land.
      I welcome civil war and nationalization.
      Ruin number ......
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  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 25 March 2014 16: 03
    0
    Uncle forgets that the annexation of Yu-in Ukraine "costs" Russia money. It is clear that there is industry and minerals, but all this needs modernization and a balanced approach, and the social sector of the population needs money to bring it up to the level of Russia. Not so simple. Now you need to hurry slowly.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 25 March 2014 16: 18
      +1
      Quote: fzr1000
      Uncle forgets that the annexation of Yu-in Ukraine "costs" Russia money.

      Let’s print how much the ruble zone expands - so much and print. Why are we worse than Americans?
      1. lg41
        lg41 25 March 2014 16: 55
        0
        It is necessary to move away from dollar dependence in foreign economic activity. The United States will always print these wrappers as much as they need for a successful foreign policy.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 25 March 2014 09: 19
    +13
    The main Crimea managed to pull out of this beginning house ..! Work is underway ..! Ukraine itself must revolt and understand where they are now .. It’s useless to treat with worse things. \
    And if the NATO invasion beginsThat I personally do not envy NATO. And this is not bravado ..
  • Name
    Name 25 March 2014 09: 25
    +9
    The author "painted" a somewhat gloomy picture, I have one question: on the basis of CHAGO, NATO troops will appear on the territory of Kharkov and Lugansk before the presidential elections, NATO membership does not shine for Kiev, and the maidan have no money for the elections.
    1. delfinN
      delfinN 25 March 2014 15: 19
      +3
      There are just partisan units formed.
    2. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian 25 March 2014 15: 23
      +4
      I believe that the junta itself in Kiev may ask for the entry of NATO troops, which is actually quite realistic today. Therefore, it may turn out that the euphoria from the return of the Crimea may turn into a larger headache ... the loss of Ukraine as an option for the part of Ukraine occupied by NATO, at least the western regions of Ukraine.
      1. Spnsr
        Spnsr 25 March 2014 15: 44
        +1
        Quote: Scandinavian
        I believe that the junta itself in Kiev may ask for the entry of NATO troops, which is actually quite realistic today. Therefore, it may turn out that the euphoria from the return of the Crimea may turn into a larger headache ... the loss of Ukraine as an option for the part of Ukraine occupied by NATO, at least the western regions of Ukraine.

        So what? generally pin. dos are furious in the face of the West due to the proposal of the Russian Federation to make Ukraine a neutral state with a federal structure
      2. mabuta
        mabuta 25 March 2014 15: 48
        +1
        The junta in Kiev is de jure illegitimate, and everyone understands this. Even the West. And no one will support the introduction of troops. All this will lead to an unambiguous reaction from Moscow. And Europe does not want this. Europe wants to eat and earn money.
        1. shark
          shark 25 March 2014 17: 01
          +1
          The West pretends that everything is legitimate. It doesn’t respond to our arguments with understanding.
      3. Letun
        Letun 25 March 2014 15: 52
        +2
        Quote: Scandinavian
        I believe that the junta itself in Kiev may ask for the entry of NATO troops, which is actually quite realistic today. Therefore, it may turn out that the euphoria from the return of the Crimea may turn into a larger headache ... the loss of Ukraine as an option for the part of Ukraine occupied by NATO, at least the western regions of Ukraine.

        It's not gonna go. Putin was also asked to send troops, and the legitimate president did this, so if NATO pushes in, Putin will send troops to the east of Ukraine 100 pounds, and not far from World War 3, I think in the West they understand this, unlike iksperd, a doctor of military sciences who wrote this nonsense.
        Article minus.
      4. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson 25 March 2014 16: 05
        0
        Ukraine’s losses as a variant of the part of Ukraine occupied by NATO, at least the western regions of Ukraine.

        Well, then the speed will begin, who quickly reach Kiev, or drop the landing. I don’t think so. that it will be NATO, with our dryers in Belarus.
        As in an anecdote - let's throw the "tse pid tomatoes" hat and whatever we reach - we'll take it and won't give it back. The West understands this, while the western part of Ukraine is of no use to anyone.
      5. washi
        washi 25 March 2014 16: 22
        +1
        Quote: Scandinavian
        I believe that the junta in Kiev may ask for the entry of NATO troops

        Natsik will not let them.
      6. Albert1988
        Albert1988 25 March 2014 16: 39
        0
        Quote: Scandinavian
        I believe that the junta in Kiev may ask for the entry of NATO troops,

        Then the big question is why they ALREADY didn’t ask - there was so much shout “Occupation! Aggression! War!" Putler "invaded Crimea!" If we consider that the amers themselves do not have everything, thank God, and Europe, and even more so, especially since they clearly do not want to spend money with some unknown risks, then the absence now NATO troops in Ukraine have evidence that they are not going to introduce anything. Although there are some mostly reconnaissance units like in Ukraine, this is clearly not enough for a full-fledged presence.
        And it is very possible that they are just waiting for the collapse of Ukraine, in order to ward off Russia’s unfriendly population, and to send troops into the remaining greatly reduced territory.
      7. shark
        shark 25 March 2014 17: 00
        0
        why at least. They will take everything. It is absolutely impossible to hasten with the introduction of troops. We will become invaders. Just wait. I do not agree with the author.
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 25 March 2014 16: 17
      0
      Quote: name
      but for the elections, the Maidanut no money.

      Well, they’ll definitely be given money for the election. Under such candidates! And then a request to introduce UN troops to stabilize the situation in the country. Technically, everything is doable, put yourself in the place of the Maydan with their goals, and understand.
  • Name
    Name 25 March 2014 10: 03
    +4
    The appearance of NATO troops (forces) in Kharkov and Lugansk - a matter of time only, but the author doesn’t take into accountthat KIEV DOES NOT HAVE TIME ... Remember: TIME IS MONEY ... winked ,but Kiev has neither one nor the other! laughing
    1. Yves762
      Yves762 25 March 2014 15: 22
      +2
      Exactly, Kiev has no time to form its own statehood. The farther the ZYu-like they bend (well, or have to bend) to the west.
      In the end, we will get all the joys of being close to the American colony. Remember Georgia at "Tie-Fag" ...
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 25 March 2014 15: 18
    +2
    In general, while it was predicted that the first one went, Julia’s gangster skills speak for themselves, who else spoke there without her approval, in turn. Team in action.
  • Kazakh
    Kazakh 25 March 2014 15: 18
    +3
    The author of the fat Troll has nothing to discuss
    1. washi
      washi 25 March 2014 16: 24
      0
      Quote: Kazakh
      The author of the fat Troll has nothing to discuss

      And justify?
      I'm stupid.
  • nikcris
    nikcris 25 March 2014 15: 18
    +2
    author -> author -> author in soldiers is not a little playful. negative
  • Kodar 75
    Kodar 75 25 March 2014 15: 19
    +6
    From such articles, damn it already in my stomach. Another doctor of military sciences epta ...
  • konvalval
    konvalval 25 March 2014 15: 20
    +4
    This is one of the options for further developments. But it seems unlikely to me. Time will tell.
  • ambiorix
    ambiorix 25 March 2014 15: 21
    +4
    I absolutely disagree with the article. Nobody lost or lost Ukraine. Putin is just waiting. In Ukraine, default is coming soon, economic collapse, a possible humanitarian disaster, and as a result Maidan 3.0. And precisely at this time, Russia will begin to act. During Maidan 2.0 Crimea fell off. And if we take into account that every Maidan in Ukraine is bloody, the schiza is growing, the fascists are getting closer to power, then after Maidan 3.0 a civil war is possible and the whole SE will definitely fall off.
  • delfinN
    delfinN 25 March 2014 15: 23
    +8
    Afftaru: bukaf yes, a lot
  • igorra
    igorra 25 March 2014 15: 23
    +2
    O worthy member of all academies, and you are a mishandled Cossack. You read such people as you are scolded and itched to cheat Russia. I know a good remedy for itching - tibia size 46.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 25 March 2014 15: 24
    +4
    A rotten little article, a call for the annexation of Ukraine .. Russia does not need annexation, Russia needs a second Pereyaslav Rada ..
  • major071
    major071 25 March 2014 15: 25
    +11
    An article with a "smell". It seems that the author wants to say that Putin is a narrow-minded person and his analysts are very new. While I am convinced of the opposite, and the whole world too. hi
  • urzul
    urzul 25 March 2014 15: 26
    +2
    I do not know where this expert takes information on the movement of forces of NATO countries.
    But the US Navy itself says the opposite, as it is far from Ukraine.
    ARABIAN SEA (MARCH 22, 2014) 1 of 4

    The Nimitz-class aircraft carriers USS George HW Bush (CVN 77) and USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) transit during a turnover of responsibility in the Arabian Sea. George HW Bush is taking over support of maritime security operations and theater security cooperation efforts in the US 5th Fleet area of ​​Responsibility. US Navy photo by Lt. Juan David Guerra (Released) 140322-N-AP620-071


    And in our news
    Harry Truman has finished combat duty in the Persian Gulf region and is returning to home bases in the Atlantic, Russia Today reported with reference to Interfax.

    The aircraft carrier’s path will pass through the Suez Canal and the eastern Mediterranean Sea, where in mid-March the George Bush aircraft carrier that was replacing it was delayed.

    George W. Bush has already arrived in the Arabian Sea, replacing Harry Truman. The meeting of aircraft carriers, accompanied by military security ships, took place in the waters of the Gulf of Aden.

    Earlier, the US Department of Defense extended the stay of its aircraft carrier strike group with the George W. Bush in the Mediterranean Sea for several days due to the situation in Ukraine "in order to support the allies."

    About missile defense is a bit ridiculous, given that the association agreement is a contract of intent and does not affect the military side of cooperation
  • Flinky
    Flinky 25 March 2014 15: 27
    0
    Attempts to integrate into nature? How, how, they heard ... And what about integration with the geyropu?
  • sinukvl
    sinukvl 25 March 2014 15: 30
    +2
    It’s not yet evening, comrade author, not yet evening. Our cause is right! victory will be ours!
    1. xan
      xan 25 March 2014 15: 34
      0
      In-in, "the trophy saxophone thundered" (taken from The Bill Clinton).
  • Sibiryak13
    Sibiryak13 25 March 2014 15: 31
    +1
    Somehow darling pulls from the article. This is not analytics, this is nonsense of a grantosos.
  • Bigriver
    Bigriver 25 March 2014 15: 32
    0
    Here you go, gan.on used!
    The appearance of the NATO Armed Forces in Ukraine, which is only a matter of time - is it his own intelligence in the generals of NATO reported?
    And Crimea came despite our lack of any strategy. So it happened by itself.
    VPK-courier - slowly but surely strives for the status of a cesspool. Borya Sokolov has a permanent residence there.
  • shalk
    shalk 25 March 2014 15: 34
    0
    The appearance of NATO troops (forces) in Kharkov and Lugansk is only a matter of time


    You can not read further.
  • aleks700
    aleks700 25 March 2014 15: 34
    +3
    The article is not fresh. I used to read it. But the author is in many ways right.
  • johnsnz
    johnsnz 25 March 2014 15: 35
    0
    My God, what a mess .... And the president of the "Academy" Leonid Ivashov, who ran for President
  • Coffee_time
    Coffee_time 25 March 2014 15: 37
    0
    I want to look at how Russian enterprises will be confiscated. Veins do not shake?
  • Hans51
    Hans51 25 March 2014 15: 37
    +3
    What is NATO?
  • johnsnz
    johnsnz 25 March 2014 15: 39
    +2
    Contacts [email protected]
    121002, Moscow, Plotnikov per., D. 21, p. 2, apt. twenty


    And at the end, a surprise:
    The newspaper Moscow Soborna was registered at the same address
    In addition, at the same address, in a strange apartment number 20, several more organizations are registered:


    NGO "RUSSIAN CATHEDRAL"
    289417 PO "RUSSIAN-AMERICAN RIGHT BROTHERHOOD OF ST SERAFI
    289419 PO "RUSSIAN-VIETNAM COMMONWEALTH"
    289420 NGO "RUSSIAN ASTROLOGICAL SOCIETY"
    289421 NGO "RUSSIAN AIRCRAFT SOCIETY"
    289422 NGO "RUSSIAN GOLD"
    289423 NGO "RUSSIAN NATIONAL DIGNITY"
    289424 PO "RUSSIAN OB-IN OF SCIENTIFIC AND PRACTICAL BIOLOCATION"
    1. lg41
      lg41 25 March 2014 17: 03
      0
      Why then are the pages of a reputable site provided for such a speaker?
  • Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol 25 March 2014 15: 39
    +1
    Russia, which did not use the possibility of a sudden entry of its troops to the entire territory of southeastern Ukraine during the first two days, while the Western elites were in a state of shock, today can no longer carry out such an action, and moreover cannot do it in the future, if the situation will not change radically.
    Did not fight at one time, dear? Do you really want to spill blood from all sides? But we don’t want to ...
    Take a faceted one on the chest with valerian, you can have two, and go to bed, comrade "Peredreyfus" ....
  • mabuta
    mabuta 25 March 2014 15: 40
    +1
    In my opinion, the author is either off topic or fulfills a fee. No analytics can be seen. And knowledge of the topic is based on the print media of the west of the yellow direction. In short nonsense.
  • mountain
    mountain 25 March 2014 15: 42
    +2
    Minus the article, you are not a doctor of military sciences, but a doctor of Western balobol and a naive skeptic of random numbers. Come to the site, in a year, see how else your west will help Russia, on the outskirts. Will wait.
  • Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 25 March 2014 15: 43
    +1
    Horror of course caught up. Everything was gone chef, everything was gone. Just tell me: How does he know what the Kremlin is up to? Are there analysts out there? One of the reasons why silent Russians appeared in Crimea was the prevention of shooting, showdowns and other reasons for the introduction of NATO forces under the pretext of protecting the offended and the oppressed. To give the go-ahead to volunteers to cross the border - I do not know, a moot point. At some time this may be in demand.
    And I’m sure for sure that if NATO appears in the southeast of Ukraine, our armed forces will also not sit on the spot for long. Nobody has yet canceled the exercises and marching throws, everyone understands what will happen if a missile defense system is deployed in the immediate vicinity of our border. So we are waiting for the next round.
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 25 March 2014 16: 00
      +1
      I liked one phrase on this topic: "putinvseprosralnamvsemkhana - will say the followers of the sect Bolshoy zh.opa"
  • Quantum
    Quantum 25 March 2014 15: 46
    +2
    The author is right, Russia is missing the opportunity to control the southeast of Ukraine.
    Need a more proactive stance: allow voluntary assistance to protesters
    movements, organize a military committee of resistance, attract the most
    active pro-Russian activists, etc.
    If, the government of Yaytsenyuha asks NATO troops, then this is already, the end
    Attempts to influence the southeast. Slowing down - like death!
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 25 March 2014 15: 58
      +2
      but is someone stopping you from providing voluntary assistance? Do you need special permission for this?
      Someone probably already found secret paths to the forests of Lugansk, and someone finds ways to help with money.
  • Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 25 March 2014 15: 48
    +2
    In the southeast, the protesters changed their slogans - there were calls for Yanukovych to return to his workplace. After a while this will happen, especially since militarized armed detachments have already appeared in the self-defense of the southeast. As soon as Yanukovych appears in Donetsk or in another city, the question immediately arises of whom to obey: a military junta or a legally elected president. Further, all these concluded contracts and agreements will not cost a damn if Yanyka returns. Although everyone understands that he is destined for the role of a screen, but he himself deserved it. I think that the army will go over to the side of the president. Thus, the entire southeast will be removed from the influence of Kiev, and without the industrial base, the junta will not last long. So it is not necessary to say that we lost Ukraine, the battle has not yet begun, Crimea and Sevastopol themselves determined their fate. I hope that soon other cities will rise as well.
  • Vladimir1960
    Vladimir1960 25 March 2014 15: 49
    +2
    "..transfer to the possession of Western companies of the leading assets of the Ukrainian economy ..".
    If the new government of Ukraine sells everything, and the West takes over the economy of Ukraine, it will be pointless for us to poke it there.
    And no revolutionary situation in the Southeast will help. Economics is our weak spot. They know this and hit the patient himself.
  • IOwTZ
    IOwTZ 25 March 2014 15: 49
    +1
    author, at the end of the article, you had to attribute "America is with us" and give up.
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  • vedmeddd
    vedmeddd 25 March 2014 15: 50
    0
    the author and the truth .... eeee person is not distant, in general, as Comrade Stalin said - "You are either or the enemy!" I am sure that everything that is happening in Ukraine, absolutely everything, from the very beginning is a clear plan of our Great Leader! We were silent when necessary and spoke only when it became necessary!
  • Capacitor
    Capacitor 25 March 2014 15: 55
    0
    Author Konstantin Sivkov, President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Doctor of Military Sciences [/ i]


    It is very doubtful under the article that the author corresponds to the position
  • dmb
    dmb 25 March 2014 15: 56
    +3
    Honestly, after a recent article about the Cossacks, I also believed that the geopolitical president moved a little. But no, in this article he expresses thoughts (unlike most commentators) very sensible. Not counting of course the deployment of troops to the eastern regions and the provision of state assistance to funds that provide assistance to volunteers. No, of course, if these funds and organizations were created unofficially by the state, they are tightly controlled and are not intended for cutting the budget, but for purposeful work to unite the country, then who is against it. The Bolsheviks were already able to do this, having driven both Skoropadsky and Petlyura. Only in this case should state leaders be at the head of the country, and not effective managers. We have the opposite. I want to ask Sivkov’s critics what he’s wrong about. We didn’t bring in troops, thank God, although SovFed allowed. Apparently they understood that we would not receive support, as in the Crimea. The reality of the entry of NATO troops at the request of the Rada exists. So that not everything is as gracious as it seems.
  • Magadan
    Magadan 25 March 2014 15: 56
    -1
    These scribblers from academies either consider us as idiots, or they themselves finally got into a mess. But they warned: chanting liberal mantras is harmful to mental health!
    Well, tell me gracious: what the hell are German Zaporizhstal, etc., if the people of the Southeast lead a full-fledged guerrilla war against Bendera, and will it always go on demonstrations?
  • KOSMOS
    KOSMOS 25 March 2014 15: 58
    +2
    The West surely understands I hope that after the NATO forces enter the west of Ukraine, they will automatically receive a countermeasure in the form of the introduction of Russian troops to the south and southeast of Ukraine. For Russia, this will be another gift from the "partners". I don’t think they are that stupid! So they will lose the most tasty morsel of Ukraine, which after the loss of Crimea would be a complete failure!
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 25 March 2014 16: 26
      +2
      Quote: KOSMOS
      The West surely understands I hope that after the NATO forces enter the west of Ukraine, they will automatically receive a countermeasure in the form of the introduction of Russian troops to the south and southeast of Ukraine. For Russia, this will be another gift from the "partners".

      The fact is that western fuck is nobody needs.
  • AleksPol
    AleksPol 25 March 2014 15: 58
    +2
    That national traitor lit up. Be a minus
  • DimDimych
    DimDimych 25 March 2014 16: 00
    +1
    Quote: W1950
    And in my opinion this is a provocative little article.

    so this author-Sivkov all the way in opposition, on all sorts of left-wing TV channels like "rain"
    loves to scratch his tongue ... laughing
  • Maxim90
    Maxim90 25 March 2014 16: 01
    +1
    Article-nonsense. The author to dismiss.
  • sop.ov
    sop.ov 25 March 2014 16: 04
    +1
    The article mixes fantasies with analyzes, although there is some truth. Unfortunately, Russia viewed the whole of Ukraine as a springboard for its interests, mistakenly relying on "loyal" oligarchs in the person of the PR. I do not exclude that against this background, the rejection of Crimea in any form was in the first place, under favorable conditions. For this purpose, there was support for the pro-Russian society, which, unfortunately, was not observed in the South-Eastern regions. I suppose that the second part of the events described above should be the formation of such a society in these areas, but focusing on the middle and working class, who are less prone to political prostitution. Naturally, public opinion should be shaped by a new political force that is not connected in any way with the current compromised parties and, preferably, without radical slogans. There is no time for the elections of the prezik - yes, they do not decide anything in the alignment of political forces, but the parliamentary and local ones would be worth aiming at. Will Russia help to form such a force (like the example of PS, UNA-Unso, Tryzub - the enemies of the teacher) - that is the question?
  • Bakht
    Bakht 25 March 2014 16: 04
    +3
    It seems that the "armchair strategist" wrote. Nothing serious. The works of this "specialist" can be safely flushed down the toilet.
  • made13
    made13 25 March 2014 16: 06
    +1
    Russia does not recognize the current government Ukrainians as legitimate, nor does it recognize the prez chosen on May 25. So the transfer or sale of property is incomprehensible to anyone talking about anything. After the change, the authorities will be taken away, offering to sue those who signed the sale documents for no good reason. The only thing that can destroy infrastructure and steal technology. GTS pipe will not be cut!
  • Ragoz
    Ragoz 25 March 2014 16: 07
    -9
    The Russian special services have gone bankrupt so much that they not only cannot, but also do not want to work. The author is completely right hi
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 25 March 2014 16: 44
      +2
      Quote: Ragoz
      The Russian special services have gone bankrupt so much that they not only cannot, but also do not want to work. The author is completely right

      I apologize, but do not voice your place of work and specialty
    2. xan
      xan 25 March 2014 21: 00
      +1
      Quote: Ragoz
      The Russian special services have gone bankrupt so much that they not only cannot, but also do not want to work. The author is completely right hi

      stupid on the topic
      Putin sits in front of the TV and constantly calls the intelligence chief:
      - Order of Tyagniboku for the abolition of the Russian language! How so - not our agent ?! Order of Yarosh for the idea of ​​undermining a gas pipeline! What does it mean - it's not us, it's him ?! Is this Lyashko? And these nerds from Freedom - Miroshnichenko and others? Are there any of our agents there ?! What does it mean - they bought a wagon of popcorn and a beer tank and look at what is happening like a movie ???? !!!!
      Irritatedly hung up the phone and flicked a selector:
      - Beer to me. And popcorn. And a live broadcast from Ukraine.
      I looked. He dials the number again:
      - Why didn’t they save Muzychko?

  • mamont5
    mamont5 25 March 2014 16: 13
    +2
    Miscalculations, of course, were, but not so much so that everyone who imagines himself an expert and regularly receives a salary from our enemies plays funeral marches for us.
  • Samurai3X
    Samurai3X 25 March 2014 16: 13
    +1
    Yes, they will send troops, as they would send in Karabakh, Transnistria, during the 1-th Chechen, 08.08.08 ... They were always afraid to act directly on the borders of the Russian Federation.
    They know how to fight against obsolete aircraft with complete air superiority, and they only let the infantry out after intensified bombing of the city.
    In general, C-300 sends greetings to the brave NATO pilots ... It is a pity that they were not in Belgrade.
    I did not know the author before this article ... Apparently he lacks attention)
  • 1536
    1536 25 March 2014 16: 13
    +1
    And why, in fact, the Russian Government should have some kind of plan, when there was normal economic and political cooperation with the legitimate government in Ukraine, its enterprises, etc., as they say, Russia acted according to the approved plan? It was the United States and its Western allies who had a clear plan for the seizure of power by a handful of individuals, and then the occupation of an entire country. No one doubts that Ukraine is now occupied. Let's remember how the US Vice President warned us that if we elect Putin, then a war will start. Then no one took this threat seriously, but it would be necessary to listen and treat accordingly. And how can one now speak of some kind of "game" when the people of NATO-occupied Ukraine are in an extremely disastrous situation, and a company of lies and economic sanctions is unleashed against Russia. The article is a big red minus!
  • acute
    acute 25 March 2014 16: 14
    +2
    You have an inflamed, unhealthy imagination, plus a very bad desire to play war games. In addition, bullying people with upcoming events. maybe it’s necessary to calculate bad options for the development of events, but not on this forum and not with civilians, especially in the aspect in which you present