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Unknown details of the destruction of American "invisible" bombers in the sky of Yugoslavia

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Unknown details of the destruction of American "invisible" bombers in the sky of Yugoslavia



15 years have passed since Belgrade, Novi Sad, Nis, Podgorica and other Serbian cities sounded air-raid sirens, warning the people of Yugoslavia that nearly two dozen Western countries had launched a full-scale military campaign against them. Without a UN Security Council decision, having virtually wiped their legs on international law, NATO ironed peaceful cities during 11 weeks, ruthlessly destroying civilian and military infrastructure. What in the West would later be called “humanitarian intervention” does not really have any relation to humanism — the 78 days of bombing killed three thousand people, among whom two thirds were civilians.

As you know, the result of the NATO aggression was the final collapse of Yugoslavia, as well as the unilateral proclamation of Kosovo's independence under the applause of Washington and most European capitals. At the same time, one can only marvel at the blatant hypocrisy of Western politicians, who today accuse Russia of violating the norms of international law, which, following the results of a national referendum and without practically a single shot, included Crimea. Perhaps in the USA, Great Britain, France, Germany and other countries they have forgotten exactly who, without unnecessary remorse, went to use cluster and graphite bombs, as well as aviation depleted uranium shells against a sovereign Central European state?

Today in the capital of present-day Serbia there is practically nothing about “humanitarian bombings”. The NATO-bombed bridges across the Danube were rebuilt, the television center destroyed with 16 journalists was restored. Even a stand in the Kalemegdan military museum dedicated to NATO aggression does not exceed three square meters.

The “Echo of War” is clearly felt only on Prince Milos Street, where the ruined building of the General Staff is still shocking to Belgrade residents with gaping windows and the view of the spans that crashed upon hitting concrete-breaking bombs. I met with a retired lieutenant colonel 250 of the anti-aircraft missile brigade George Anichic in a cafe near the ruins of the General Staff. The name of the institution - "Flight" - is the subject of our conversation. After all, this man was already on the third day of the war, commanding his air defense unit, won the famous victory in the Yugoslav sky. The missile launched from the Soviet C-125 complex put a fat point on the flight of the widely publicized American stealth bomber F-117 and showed the whole world the determination of a small country to defend its sovereignty. After 15 years after those dramatic events, a Serbian anti-aircraft gunner told RG about the circumstances of Stealth’s destruction in unknown details.

How did the war with NATO start for you personally?

Djordje Anichich: Our command declared martial law on March 23 near 22.00. All officers returned to the location of their units, because we had reliable information about the inevitable NATO attack.

A few hours before the bombing, we moved people and equipment to spare positions in order to avoid losses and not get hit by the first blow. The calculation turned out to be correct - while we were on the march, our main position was hit by cruise missiles, which destroyed warehouses and false targets, which we had specially left. All night 24 March we were on the march and could not act. The next day, the equipment was placed in new positions and transferred to full combat readiness. 25 March at eight o'clock in the evening began to receive air-raid alerts. And on March 26, I ordered to bring logs four to five meters long in order to disguise the command point of the division. The following night, the F-117 was shot down.

How did you manage to destroy the allegedly invisible radar aircraft?

Djordje Anichich: Applying a tactical technique, we placed several simulators of radiation of air defense radars and created a trap for NATO aircraft. Subsequently, after analyzing the flight of the "Stealth" we shot down, we found out that that night three such aircraft were moving in the direction of our position. They came from the south and followed the course of our imitation radiation. Their task was to destroy the air defense batteries, as they were the first in the list of priority targets.


It looked like the nights of Belgrade 15 years ago


Until 20 hours of the evening we were preparing a trap. In 20.30, I entered the battalion command post and ten minutes later I saw three targets on the radar screen. At 20.42, on the third attempt to catch the plane in sight, we still shot down Stealth.

A total of two missiles were fired from the Russian C-125M Neva. One of them captured the target and went to the area of ​​its location, and the second rocket failed to capture the target. Subsequently, the shot down American pilot (the aircraft was controlled by Lieutenant Colonel Dale Zeko. - "RG") in his interviews told that one rocket passed him, and the second caught up with him. This is not true since he was hit by the first rocket. Unfortunately, this episode was the subject of various speculations, and the Serbian and international public was misled.

Why did this happen?

Djordje Anichich: At the time of the destruction of "Stealth" at the command post were two leaders. I was there starting from 20.30, and to me - from 18.00 to 20.00 - there was another person on duty.

After the war, another officer on duty (the officer’s name was Zoltan Dani. - “RG”) began to claim that he had upgraded the C-125 complex. In the United States, a documentary was even filmed stating that Stealth was shot down precisely because of this modernization. Thus, they tried to justify themselves that, they say, they did everything right, but some craftsman modified the system and only for this reason the most modern aircraft at that time was shot down.

All this is not true, and there was no modernization. In the end, he had to give up his statements. But even this did not prevent him from subsequently meeting the downed American pilot and calling in front of the camera the person who killed the Serbian people as a "brother."

NATO daily attacked command posts and air defense installations of the Yugoslav army. How did you manage to survive?

Djordje AnichichA: Indeed, in my anti-missile brigade, the enemy launched 35 anti-radar missiles, but did not achieve a single direct hit. The fact is that the American HARM missiles in 1999 had a range of 50-60 kilometers and it was with this weapons NATO tried to destroy the Yugoslav air defense forces. And our C-125 systems could fire at distances up to 20 kilometers. As a result, we acted as follows: we waited for the enemy to come to us for 15 kilometers and only then turned on our systems. Then we fired missiles, sent them to the target area, and after they detonated, they turned off the main radar and simultaneously turned on the simulator installed in 300 meters from our positions. If the enemy managed to launch his missiles at us, then they fell into the radar simulator. At that time, it was a system solution in anti-aircraft combat.

Officer's diary

Djordje Anichich: During the entire time of the NATO bombings, I kept a war diary. After 10 years after the NATO bombing of this diary, I wrote a book that I called “Change”. It described the war from the point of view of the anti-aircraft officer and the man who is at the air defense command center, observing the attacks of the enemy from all directions. In total, during the war, I launched anti-aircraft missiles at the enemy 14.

The events described in my book have shown that even with outdated Russian weapons, we were able to destroy Stealth and other newest American aircraft. The official document issued to me by the Yugoslav army states that the personal account of my division includes the destroyed F-117 and F-16, as well as the damaged B-2.

According to the official data of our general staff, 61 was hit on various enemy aircraft, but only 2 of them fell on the territory of our country. It should be borne in mind that the territory of Serbia is very narrow, and NATO aircraft flew at high altitudes. When they hit, many had time to leave our airspace and sit on airfields in neighboring countries.

My greatest success as an officer was not only the “invisible” F-117, we also destroyed the American strategic bomber B-2 “Spirit”. Unfortunately, I have no material confirmation of this fact, but the Americans did not recognize this loss. But we know for sure that this happened on the night of 19 on May 20, and the plane fell in a forest in Croatia.


Downed by an old Soviet rocket, the newest American "Stealth" shocked the NATO generals.


We are talking about the most expensive aircraft in the world at the cost of two billion dollars. Is it possible to hide the loss of such a combat vehicle?

Djordje Anichich: Judge for yourself: after 21 in May, NATO stopped all flights of B-2 aircraft. Why was this done, because the war continued until June 10? At the same time, the intensity of the raids increased by 30 percent. Why did this happen if nothing much happened?

In addition, there are eyewitness accounts that NATO troops moved from Bosnia to Croatia and blocked a vast area. Then the trucks for a long time something was taken out of it.

Even in satellite images, part of the Croatian forest in the area of ​​the alleged fall of B-2 was subsequently darkened.

Besides, I know that a radio interception was made of the conversation of the pilot of the wounded aircraft with the NATO air command center Avaks. The pilots were forbidden to eject from the wrecked aircraft and were ordered to go out of Yugoslavia at all costs.

It is absolutely certain that US strategic aviation used all its new weapons in Yugoslavia, including JDAM bombs. The B-2 bombers flew out of America from the Whiteman base for a combat mission. With one in-flight refueling, such an aircraft flew 18 thousands of kilometers, and each such operation lasted 29-36 hours. It was these planes that dropped the bomb on the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade and the building of the General Staff.

Were there any chances for a successful outcome of the war after three months of continuous NATO raids?

Djordje Anichich: This is a difficult question, because many of our units suffered losses. My unit was the only one in the Belgrade air defense, which operated for all 78 days. The problem was not in the missiles - we had them. The main problem was the Belgrade defense ring, which was broken through. My unit covered the direction in the north, but other sectors were bare. Thus, our object - a big city - could no longer be reliably protected. NATO probably did not know this, and therefore the enemy until the end of the war behaved very carefully, as on the first day of the raids. NATO members were especially careful in the northern direction, and this is far from accident - it was here that three of their other aircraft were shot down and shot down.

Is it true that after the end of the war the Americans wanted by all means to collect the wreckage of the Stealth you shot down?

Djordje AnichichA: Indeed, they tried to do it, but they were not given them. In addition, and this is not widely known, after the war, the Americans sent us a list of questions to our military. He was asked in detail about the circumstances of the destruction of the Stealth - at what distance we noticed him, whether we saw on the radars his refueling in the air, from what distance we opened fire on him and so on. Also in this list were questions about B-2, which also confirms the fact of its destruction.

If we had C-300, then there would be no war.


C-125 was the most modern Yugoslav air defense system at the time?

Djordje Anichich: Yes. However, the system itself by that time was already very outdated, since it was put into service in the USSR in the 1960s.

Many military experts say that if the modern weapons were at the disposal of the Yugoslav army, the outcome of the war could have been completely different ...

Djordje AnichichA: Of course, the type of weapon, as well as the training of personnel, play a huge role, and these factors can stop any aggressor.

I am sure that if we had C-300 systems, there would be no war at all. In the spring of 1999, our Armed Forces tried to get the C-300 in Russia. From May until the end of the war, we sent our junior officers to Russia. True, they were trained not on C-300 complexes, but on Buk systems.



The Chinese Embassy in the capital of Yugoslavia was bombed "by mistake"


However, NATO did not expect Serbian officers to be so well trained. The enemy thought he would run into officers who he had previously met in Iraq and Libya. I had to meet with them, and I must say that they were far from fully mastering all the capabilities of the Russian air defense systems.

Have you been trained to work on air defense systems in the Soviet Union?

Djordje Anichich: I studied in Yugoslavia, but many times I went to practice shooting at the Astrakhan training ground Ashuluk.

NATO actively used Tomahawk cruise missiles. It is known that Serbian air defenses shot down a considerable number of these missiles ...

Djordje Anichich: We have destroyed dozens of such missiles. "Tomahawks" all the time fly at low altitude and use the system of enveloping the terrain. Before the war, we played out possible variants of an attack on us and predicted possible ways of the Tomahawks approach. And we assumed that they would fly along roads or river valleys that would serve as landmarks for them. It was here that effective air defense was organized with the help of Strela-2M complexes.

I know that the Serbian air force also tried to resist a superior enemy. Why did the Serbian fighters failed to shoot down a single NATO plane?


Djordje Anichich: The main problem of our "MiGs" was a small radius of their radar. American F-16 could see targets at a distance of 50 kilometers. Probably, the new Russian “MiGs” now have equivalent opportunities. But then our old planes could not confront NATO on an equal footing and could not get close to the enemy at a rocket launch, as they were noticed much earlier. In fact, I personally watched on the radar screen the last flight of one of our fighters before it was shot down.

What Russia and the United States taught the war in Yugoslavia


As far as I know, after the war, the Serbian authorities fired into the reserve many of the officers participating in the reflections of NATO raids. Is this really true?

Djordje Anichich: This is true, but in order to understand this, you first need to learn the mentality of the Serbs. The fact is that the Serbs forgive others for success. Before the war, I was a great officer. During the war, I had the most combat hours spent on the site of the head of the air defense division, simply because my unit fought all the 78 days. I was awarded the President of our country with military awards. But after the war I was humiliated as a man and an officer, because I was appointed to the position provided for a lower military rank. I was a lieutenant colonel, and they put me in the position of captain of the 1 class, or major. It was painful to realize, and I could hardly wait for the end of life.

I know that in Russia they respect their heroes and the Russians have a special day - February 23, dedicated to war veterans and defenders of the Fatherland. There is no such day in Serbia, so I am still very disappointed.

Did Russian officers meet with you and did you share your experience with them?

Djordje Anichich: Russian generals came out to us right after Stealth was shot down. In addition, during the war, Russian officers were in our units, whose tasks included the collection of various information. One of these officers, Victor, was assigned to my battery, and he was delighted with how we fought.

It must be said that in Russia, in a different way, they imagined a war in the air and proceeded from the presence of different air defense systems with different heights and ranges covering each other from the enemy who crosses the front line. We have the enemy appeared from all sides - from the Adriatic and Mediterranean seas, as well as from the territory of Bosnia, Croatia, Romania and Bulgaria.

That war has taught Russia and the USA a lot. The Americans realized that if we with our outdated Soviet weapons could inflict such losses on them, then what would the Russians, who have the latest weapon systems, do to them? In Moscow, they realized all the shortcomings of the Russian air defense systems that had been discovered and took this into account when developing new anti-aircraft systems.
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  1. Vladimir65
    Vladimir65 25 March 2014 08: 50
    +28
    Perestroika of Russia surrendered Yugoslavia and thereby allowed the Americans to unleash a series of wars in Africa and is now approaching Ukraine. Gorbachev betrayed everything: the friendship of peoples, his country and people.
    1. ultra
      ultra 25 March 2014 09: 00
      +37
      Quote: Vladimir65
      Perestroika of Russia surrendered to Yugoslavia

      It was not Russia that surrendered, but the Russian leadership, and not only Yugoslavia but also Russia itself!
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 25 March 2014 09: 07
        +14
        He would be taught at military universities ...
        1. vezunchik
          vezunchik 25 March 2014 13: 26
          +4
          Yes, why say that, in Syria, Marat is conducting video shootings of the war against the bandits, but who from the General Staff asked about them ???
          1. Russkiy53
            Russkiy53 25 March 2014 13: 53
            +1
            Is this a type of landing at a skyscraper behind the militants? Yes, the crews competently act there ... and what coherence! Very competently!
      2. fktrcfylhn61
        fktrcfylhn61 25 March 2014 10: 31
        +4
        Maybe someday the Russian people will insist on giving an appropriate assessment to the communist leaders of that era! After all, by and large, they are not very different from the current leaders throwing their people to the mercy of the Nazis! And the significance of this betrayal cannot be minimized! Silence is conciliation, and aiding! Although the reactions of the central media are far from objective! What makes you once again wonder if everything is so good in the kingdom? Take at least Khodorkovsky, the people do not understand why and for whom it was necessary to amnesty ??? Well, certainly not for the people! These riches from the dirt their people from the very beginning robbed!
        1. vezunchik
          vezunchik 25 March 2014 13: 27
          +2
          What do you want from careerists? How did they come to power?
          1. Russkiy53
            Russkiy53 25 March 2014 13: 53
            +2
            Not careerists, but TRADERS !!!
        2. Russian_German
          Russian_German 25 March 2014 22: 31
          +1
          "Take Khodorkovsky, for example, the people do not understand why and for whom it was necessary to amnesty him ???" Create a precedent and not jail Serdyukov! "Something has rotted in the Danish kingdom"
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 25 March 2014 09: 20
      +11
      Perestroika of Russia surrendered Yugoslavia and thereby allowed the Americans to unleash a series of wars in Africa and is now approaching Ukraine. Gorbachev betrayed everything: the friendship of peoples, his country and people.


      Of course, you cannot say good words about perestroika Russia. But, nevertheless, Milosevic is most to blame for the pogrom of Yugoslavia. If I hadn’t tried to sit on two chairs, then it’s quite possible that I would have received air defense equipment and Russia's support on time, because by that time a black cat had already run between EBN and the amers. For comparison, the three countries are victims of NATO aggression. Yugoslavia, Libya and Syria. Milosevic really wanted to Europe, Gaddafi called Western leaders brothers and sons. And where are they now? And where is Assad, who calmly sent amers to. As the saying goes, feel the difference.
      1. allexx83
        allexx83 25 March 2014 23: 59
        0
        Milosevic wouldn’t get anything from ebn. In any case.
    3. vezunchik
      vezunchik 25 March 2014 13: 25
      +3
      A bloody Borya ?? It was in his reign that a lot of blood was shed ..
  2. kopar
    kopar 25 March 2014 08: 54
    +10
    At that moment we ourselves were in a state of collapse .... There is not only the "humpback" guilty, he was not the only one who made decisions ....
  3. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 25 March 2014 08: 56
    +20
    Learn military affairs in this way! ..
    George Anichich once again confirms this thesis with his own example.
    It is a pity, indeed, that Russia did not deliver the S-300 to the little brothers. This was so lacking for them ...
    1. Russian_German
      Russian_German 25 March 2014 22: 38
      +2
      And how to put if Yeltsin, whoever pours, that and a friend !!! And you poured, did not skimp and then neighing drunk over him, they showed on television. Yes, even whispering headphones, Chubais and Berezovsky, the United States, we are friends in the grave, and Yugoslavia is not even our friend.
  4. inkass_98
    inkass_98 25 March 2014 09: 08
    +7
    The testimonies of an eyewitness and a direct participant in the events are always interesting, especially when all the information comes from only one side - the victorious one.
    1. Professor
      Professor 25 March 2014 10: 30
      -18%
      Quote: inkass_98
      The testimonies of an eyewitness and a direct participant in the events are always interesting, especially when all the information comes from only one side - the victorious one.

      That's where it came from "I'm lying as an eyewitness".
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 25 March 2014 11: 14
        +9
        Quote: Professor
        That's where "I lie as an eyewitness" came from.

        Looks like you are talking about.
        1. Professor
          Professor 25 March 2014 11: 51
          -1
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          Looks like you are talking about.

          I know I know. I meet such "eyewitnesses" here on the forum every day. “We shot down a B-2, but this flying wing reached the border. It collapsed there and we had no material evidence.” wassat

          PS
          A total of 21 Spirits were produced. The fate of all is known. It turns out that the 22nd in Tikhorya was built to hide the losses in Yugoslavia? laughing
          The Air Force in Facts and Figures
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 25 March 2014 16: 02
            +4
            Quote: Professor
            A total of 21 Spirits were produced.

            This is the dead spirit of Kansas. The pilots survived. He died himself. A similar fate almost befell the Spirit of Washington. Four years of repairs worth 105 million and the strategist is again on guard of democracy.
            Video about the Spirit of Kansas, so that people would not have doubts.
            1. dustycat
              dustycat 25 March 2014 21: 00
              +4
              About "repair" for 105 lamas efimkam famously hung noodles.
              Who wants to can glue a model from fiberglass and epoxy.
              Pour kerosene, set fire, step on or knock with a sledgehammer.
              And then try to restore the resulting.
              Gluing a new model from a different batch of epoxy and fiberglass will be an obvious simpler and faster solution.
              It is possible that the B-2, who "sat down on a compulsion," in Croatia was also "repaired" for 105 Lyamov.

              Well, composite fuselages are not repairable!

              Even the fiberglass tail unit of the Airbases is not repaired, but stupidly replaced with a new one.
              Even if this is the top decorative layer under the paint, it has moved in places.
              1. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 25 March 2014 21: 43
                +2
                Quote: dustycat
                About "repair" for 105 lamas efimkam famously hung noodles.

                Well, they write, there’s nothing to refute anyway. If something happened, they wiped it a long time ago.
              2. allexx83
                allexx83 26 March 2014 00: 06
                0
                Perhaps this is a new fuselage?)))
          2. allexx83
            allexx83 26 March 2014 00: 05
            +1
            Probably not shot down and knocked out. And the Americans, with a finger to their nose, did not risk the rest of the expensive cars. And the damaged one was repaired (or maybe they built a new one? - why not)
  5. saag
    saag 25 March 2014 09: 17
    +3
    This B-2 already shot down, not the F-117, something is increasing in the size of the extraction, as if on the hunt :-)
    1. poccinin
      poccinin 25 March 2014 10: 07
      +12
      after all, he said that the F-117 was shot down and then the B-2. Americans are famous for the fact that they ALWAYS hide their real losses. that in Serbia. Iraq. Libya. no debris means no losses. and we can also say about "TECHNICAL FAULTS"
      1. saag
        saag 25 March 2014 11: 57
        +1
        Nothing that the V-2 launched cruise missiles without entering the air defense zone?
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 25 March 2014 21: 17
          0
          And GBU threw because of the air defense zone ?!
  6. Professor
    Professor 25 March 2014 09: 30
    -18%
    My biggest success as an officer was not only the stealth F-117, we also destroyed the American strategic bomber B-2 Spirit.

    Two imported tape recorders, two gilded cigarette cases, a suede jacket ... Spirit two!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeWEMsj6ybM
    1. Veter
      Veter 25 March 2014 10: 25
      +5
      Yes, yes, professor, they shot down
      1. Professor
        Professor 25 March 2014 10: 29
        -9
        Quote: Veter
        Yes, yes, professor, they shot down

        Of course they shot down. laughing Who will argue with bikes? I had a similar case while fishing ...
        1. Veter
          Veter 25 March 2014 10: 42
          +8
          Quote: Professor
          I had a similar case while fishing ...

          Ahhh, it’s impossible to knock out of the Merkava rank and this is the coolest tank of all time.
          We know, heard your ravings
          1. Professor
            Professor 25 March 2014 10: 48
            -9
            Quote: Veter
            Ahhh, it’s impossible to knock out of the Merkava rank and this is the coolest tank of all time.
            We know, heard your ravings

            Bullshit is about the downed B-2 discussed in this article. This is unambiguous. About MANPADS against the Kyrgyz Republic, too, is nonsense, although not so much unambiguous. Merkava is not discussed in this article.
            1. Russkiy53
              Russkiy53 25 March 2014 14: 03
              +5
              Yes, catching a speed target in the MANPADS is not easy ... but REALLY :)))!
              1. Professor
                Professor 25 March 2014 14: 38
                -7
                Quote: Russkiy53
                Yes, catching a speed target in the MANPADS is not easy ... but REALLY :)))!

                Actually on paper, in practice, axes will fly over the shooter at an extremely low altitude at a speed of 890 km / h and it will simply not be realistic to react.
                1. Russkiy53
                  Russkiy53 25 March 2014 15: 07
                  +8
                  They simulated us on simulators ... in general: the range, up to ten kilometers, there will be no problems. And so, a hundred training launches are necessary ... but there’s a nuance in the article: they blocked narrow places with a strongly broken relief (channel rivers, gorges) there and the speed may be lower and, the observers set forward, will warn you earlier. well, not just one calculation, but three or five on the route ... I give thirty to sixty percent to intercept (depending on the delay in calculations ) :)! plus the trap-rocket does not shoot and feints-does not execute :)))!
                  1. sivuch
                    sivuch 25 March 2014 17: 41
                    +1
                    Have you used 1L-15-1 with PU-12?
                2. sivuch
                  sivuch 25 March 2014 17: 39
                  0
                  If the shooter stands alone with his pipe and counts only on his eyes and the help of Allah, then yes, of course
            2. dustycat
              dustycat 25 March 2014 21: 12
              +3
              Well, also say that in the Falkland conflict, the stinger released by the piston attack aircraft did not intercept the exoset.

              Knowing where it flies and where it will fly further, the main thing in time is to give a command for production.
              In night vision devices, an "ax" flying up at dusk or at night is seen quite characteristic and clearly identified.
            3. allexx83
              allexx83 26 March 2014 00: 10
              +1
              Why ravings? To shoot down a subsonic ax is quite real. If MANPADS are waiting on possible approach routes.
        2. supertiger21
          supertiger21 25 March 2014 19: 30
          +5
          Quote: Professor
          Of course they shot down. Who will argue with bikes? I had a similar case while fishing ...


          Funny you professor however laughing !
          How about such tales, when the Pakistanis announced as many as 4 shot down MiG-23s in Afghanistan))) Although the wreckage (allegedly shot down MiGs), captured pilots, the data of the photo-machine gun from Pakistan was not. Therefore, the statement that " Pakistani pilots in F-16 fellow shot down by Soviet MiGs "- another nonsense from fishing of Pakistani pilots.
          By the way, in an air battle with 4 Soviet MiG-23s, the Pakistanis (by their absurdity) lost one of the two F-16s. The Pakistani pilot's "Fighting Falcon" "accidentally" fell under a hail of bombs fired by the 23rd MiG. Also a kind of aerial victory . Can safely enter it in the statistics of F-16 losses in air battles. The official score of victories and losses in air battles is 47: 2, but still in favor of the American fighter (to my chagrin).
    2. Russkiy53
      Russkiy53 25 March 2014 13: 59
      +5
      Oh, Kupidman:))) !!! Shalom:))) !!! Che something they don't like you here :)) ... apparently anti-Semites :)))!
  7. Stiletto
    Stiletto 25 March 2014 09: 36
    +4
    Quote: saag
    This B-2 already shot down, not the F-117, something is increasing in the size of the extraction, as if on the hunt :-)


    Well, yes, and the hunters themselves are becoming more exponentially ...
  8. omsbon
    omsbon 25 March 2014 09: 41
    +4
    The Americans realized that if we, with our outdated Soviet weapons, could inflict such losses on them, then what would the Russians do with them who have the latest weapons systems


    Pin-do-it-yourself must always be remembered !!!
  9. psyholirik
    psyholirik 25 March 2014 10: 02
    +1
    Don’t worry, the Serb brothers, we will avenge these vile jackals! Our time will come am
  10. fktrcfylhn61
    fktrcfylhn61 25 March 2014 10: 03
    +5
    What kind of fashion did the modern democrats bomb cities? Who are they fighting against, aren't they against civilians? This is much safer than meeting the battlefield with any opponent! Is democracy really: cowardice, greed, hypocrisy? So what are these values? This is far from the Ten Commandments! And even the Catholic Church agrees! All normal people understand where the real hotbed of evil is! And all normal people agree to put the bandits and perverts in their place! It is time and decision!
  11. Aleksandr12
    Aleksandr12 25 March 2014 10: 16
    +2
    I really liked the organization of protection against axes. The Syrians need to take this idea into service so that the Israelis do not fly over their heads and bomb objects. smile
    1. Professor
      Professor 25 March 2014 10: 27
      -7
      Quote: Aleksandr12
      I really liked the organization of protection against axes. The Syrians need to take this idea into service so that the Israelis do not fly over their heads and bomb objects. smile

      Believe in tales of protection from the Tomahawks through MANPADS? Good luck then. wassat
      1. user1212
        user1212 25 March 2014 15: 02
        +5
        Quote: Professor
        Believe in tales of protection from the Tomahawks through MANPADS? Good luck then

        Needle-C
        1. Professor
          Professor 25 March 2014 15: 04
          0
          Quote: user1212
          Needle-C

          BGM-109 Tomahawk
          1. user1212
            user1212 25 March 2014 15: 53
            +6
            Igla-S (GRAU index - 9K338, “Igla-super” [2] [3], according to the classification of the United States Defense Ministry and NATO - SA-24 Grinch [4]) - a combined version of Igla-D and Igla-N with a number of technical improvements. The warhead mass has been increased, the possibility of shelling targets such as UAVs and low-flying missiles has appeared.
            1. Professor
              Professor 25 March 2014 16: 07
              -1
              Quote: user1212
              The warhead mass has been increased, the possibility of shelling targets such as UAVs and low-flying missiles has appeared.

              Tomahawks.
              Initial data:
              Target: speed 880-890 km / h, flight altitude 25-50 m, transit time of the target above the shooter is unknown.
              Interceptor: deployment time less than 13 seconds, response time 5 seconds.
              What is the probability of interception?
              0.0%

              PS
              How long does a nitrogen tank last?
              1. Russkiy53
                Russkiy53 25 March 2014 16: 36
                0
                What it is: time is unknown :)))? Twenty seconds on the oncoming course can be caught, the same amount on the retreating :)))! All the difference is to press ... what the hell :))) ...
                1. Professor
                  Professor 25 March 2014 21: 46
                  -3
                  Quote: Russkiy53
                  What it is: time is unknown :))

                  The Americans will tell you about the time of the passage of the Kyrgyz Republic over you and how is it with nitrogen?

                  Quote: user1212
                  That is, after flying over the shooter, he has about 14 seconds to launch. And this is if you do not catch on the counter.

                  What are 14 seconds? Where from? In 10 seconds, the Kyrgyz Republic will be 2.5 km away. And since it flies at an altitude of 25-50 m, this means that it is no longer reachable for the MANPADS shooter.

                  Quote: user1212
                  If there is a calculation ready for shooting and a line of sight, cr can be overwhelmed.

                  In other words, if you are very, very lucky, you can bring down. The probability of this event is about the same as knocking her out of a slingshot.
                  1. user1212
                    user1212 26 March 2014 05: 18
                    +5
                    Quote: Professor
                    Americans will tell you about the time of the passage of the Kyrgyz Republic over you

                    The Serbs have such a secret feature. The radio is called. And then there are the soldiers with eyes. And they, with these very eyes, can see a flying ax. And using a secret "radio" feature, inform the calculation of MANPADS about this significant event in advance.
                    Quote: Professor
                    how is it with nitrogen

                    And what happened to him?
                    Quote: Professor
                    What are 14 seconds? Where from? In 10 seconds, the Kyrgyz Republic will be 2.5 km away. And since it flies at an altitude of 25-50 m, this means that it is no longer reachable for the MANPADS shooter.

                    Standards of work with MANPADS (excellent):
                    capture and capture of the target - for a meeting - 3 seconds, catching up - 2 seconds;
                    http://www.pzaku.net/homepage/?page_id=766
                    That is, less than 1 km of the open sky is enough to capture the target of the GOS. Plus, the time until the missiles catch up with Kyrgyzstan. Knowing the terrain, the launching position can be chosen so that the missile does not fly into the nearest obstacle. Perhaps for the IDF it is too complicated, but the Serbs apparently coped. Although it may lie
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 26 March 2014 09: 30
                      0
                      Quote: user1212
                      The Serbs have such a secret feature. The radio is called. And then there are the soldiers with eyes. And they, with these very eyes, can see a flying ax. And using a secret "radio" feature, inform the calculation of MANPADS about this significant event in advance.

                      I did not know that they have walkie-talkies. Now everything is clear. wink However, the routes of the Kyrgyz Republic are not known (this is not a car on the highway) and you will have to put a hundred radio operators and as many shooters. In theory, it is possible, in practice, a little real.

                      Quote: user1212
                      And what happened to him?

                      It ends quickly, and without it, the seeker does not work.

                      Quote: user1212
                      Standards of work with MANPADS (excellent):

                      Standards of work with MANPADS (excellent):
                      Transfer MANPADS from park packaging to the stowed position - 55 seconds;
                      Transfer MANPADS from traveling to combat - 13 seconds;
                      capture and capture of the target - for a meeting - 3 seconds, catching up - 2 seconds; What purpose? Boeing 747?

                      How much battery is enough?

                      Quote: user1212
                      That is, less than 1 km of the open sky is enough to capture the target of the GOS.

                      Not enough. The operator will notice the rocket only after it passes over it. On a collision course, it’s not realistic to notice her.

                      Quote: user1212
                      Perhaps for the IDF it is too complicated, but the Serbs apparently coped. Although it may lie

                      In Tsakhal, and even in the bourgeois armies, they are not going to intercept the KR with the help of MANPADS. Well stupid. fool It is noteworthy that in addition to this colonel, no one boasted of such interceptions, even lovers of lying Arabs.
                    2. Russkiy53
                      Russkiy53 26 March 2014 12: 12
                      +1
                      With nitrogen, he is round with chem. calls the reactor :))) ... but about the observers, do not enter him :)))! I’m saying, under this nickname, they are two, one harmful, but smart, the other ... just harmful :)))
              2. user1212
                user1212 25 March 2014 16: 38
                +10
                Tomahawk Raman speed is approximately 250 m / s.
                Needle:
                The range of targets hit 6km.
                The speed of the hit targets at the courses, m / s:
                - oncoming 400
                - catch-up 320
                - Flight speed of missiles, m / s: 570

                That is, after flying over the shooter, he has about 14 seconds to launch. And this is if you do not catch on the counter.

                If there is a calculation ready for shooting and a line of sight, cr can be overwhelmed.
                1. Russkiy53
                  Russkiy53 25 March 2014 17: 00
                  +3
                  If there is an observer ahead with the observer with a radio :)))?
                  1. Russkiy53
                    Russkiy53 25 March 2014 17: 09
                    +1
                    Well then, can’t you catch it in the oncoming one :)))? Yes, more than one calculation? Two or three in the oncoming one, another couple is getting ready to launch on the retreating ... no, no, it's quite real :)! Plausible story: )! fiction from the technical characteristics, with the right approach, becomes a reality;)!
          2. sivuch
            sivuch 25 March 2014 16: 15
            +2
            PPRU-1M + PU-12M6
    2. Russkiy53
      Russkiy53 25 March 2014 15: 09
      0
      In Syria, other terrain conditions, axes go along unpredictable routes.
  12. Andy
    Andy 25 March 2014 10: 20
    +7
    passed, passed - like a worn out gramophone! for 78 days of the war, when the rooster pecked in a known place and they turned for the c300 complexes, neither the calculations nor the equipment could be transported. It was necessary so that they did not get bombed on the march. In short, it was necessary to think in advance. but before they distanced themselves from the USSR. So, on two chairs ... for what and who should we get into a fight? The blood of our guys is not water. Now the humiliated climb out of their skin into the EU and we would be called OCCUPIERS there. this happened in the republics of the former Soviet Union: Hitler burned them, shot them, but they marched in the form of ss, the liberator of the EPT! and even in Russia itself, the army did not buy equipment, it was necessary (and now it is necessary!) In addition, the Serbs themselves handed Milosevic and asked to "Europe" would give new NATO friends access to anti-aircraft systems
  13. Molybden
    Molybden 25 March 2014 11: 56
    0
    Russia was then weak!
    It is interesting how our country would react if there was our current President at that time ?!
    1. Not angry
      Not angry 25 March 2014 13: 12
      +1
      I think that he could not then adequately answer in our understanding, they were very weak, but the elite was determined to lick the backside of the West. By the current answer in Ukraine, Russia has walked 10 years making small inconspicuous steps. Unfortunately I did not have time to fully get stronger. But coming out of us is no stranger.
    2. Docent1984
      Docent1984 25 March 2014 13: 18
      +1
      A referendum on the entry of Serbia into Russia would be held. And by the time the alleged bombing began, it would already be the territory of the Russian Federation. That’s the end of the war)
  14. Leshka
    Leshka 25 March 2014 12: 10
    +2
    real hero, I admire such people soldier
  15. Lyton
    Lyton 25 March 2014 12: 34
    +1
    It is good that our officers were there, the enemy must be known in person and, if necessary, beat there.
  16. Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 25 March 2014 12: 42
    +1
    78 days of bombing claimed the lives of three thousand people, among whom two-thirds were civilians.
    That war taught both Russia and the USA a lot.
    an invisible plane of $ 2 billion was shot down and who will calculate the price of the lives of civilians and destroyed cities destroyed by this super weapon which someone had to test for someone?
    1. Professor
      Professor 25 March 2014 12: 58
      -7
      Quote: Peacemaker
      $ 2 billion invisible plane was shot down

      Why over 2? Over 20, or let's get over 200.
      1. Grey_k
        Grey_k 25 March 2014 13: 41
        0
        Hello everybody! Question ... But does the B-2 have the ability to carry cruise missiles? It seems to be designed only for dropping free-falling bombs ..
        1. user1212
          user1212 25 March 2014 15: 48
          +1
          AGM-158 JASSM
          1. sivuch
            sivuch 25 March 2014 17: 05
            +2
            So, it seems, it was about 91 years
            1. user1212
              user1212 25 March 2014 17: 13
              +1
              Maybe prototypes have been tested. xs. But they don’t seem to hang any other cr on b2
      2. user1212
        user1212 25 March 2014 15: 37
        +4
        The B-2 is the most expensive aircraft in the world (and probably the most expensive aircraft in aviation history). In 1998, the cost of one B-2, excluding R&D, amounted to $ 1,157 billion [17]. The cost of the entire B-2 program for 1997 was estimated at almost $ 45 billion; Thus, taking into account R&D, the cost of one car at that time reached $ 2,1 billion [18].

        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_B-2_Spirit

        What does not suit you at the announced price?
      3. gispanec
        gispanec 25 March 2014 18: 45
        +5
        Quote: Professor
        Why over 2? Over 20, or let's get over 200

        Your sarcasm smacks of nausea. You can’t find anything but a poop in the honey tank. Reading your axioms, so to speak, you understand how much you are saturated with negativity to everything Russian, but you are a little Russophobe
        1. Professor
          Professor 25 March 2014 21: 50
          0
          Quote: gispanec
          Reading your axioms, so to speak, you understand how much you are saturated with negativity to everything Russian, but you are a little Russophobe

          Yes, it’s rather a Serbophobe, because the Serb tells tales and the Russians have nothing to do with it, mommy. fellow
  17. Urri
    Urri 25 March 2014 13: 07
    +4
    Quote: Professor
    Two imported tape recorders, two gilded cigarette cases, a suede jacket ... Spirit two!


    Can you prove the opposite? Then I believe the warrior, the couch troops and I fully represent.
    1. Professor
      Professor 25 March 2014 13: 15
      0
      Quote: Urri
      Can you prove the opposite?

      Kindergarten? What is the "reverse"? What is the USA not lost Spirit in Yugoslavia? Only for you I will make an exception to the rule "the approving party must submit material evidence." The fate of all 21 Spiritualists is known. Which of them are you interested in, which tail number?
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 25 March 2014 19: 15
        +4
        Quote: Professor
        What has the United States not lost in Yugoslavia Spirit? Only for you I will make an exception to the rule "the approving party must submit material evidence." The fate of all 21 Spiritualists is known. Which of them are you interested in, which tail number?


        Dear Professor, again you are for your No. ! There is no exact confirmation of these losses, because they didn’t find debris. But you can’t deny it either.
        Remember the F / A-18 shot down by the Iraqi MiG-25 during the "Desert Storm" ?! For 4 years, the Americans brazenly kept repeating "Hornet was not lost in air combat", "he was shot down by an air defense system." But after an independent examination in 1995 it became clear that the American fighter was destroyed by the R-40 rocket launched by the 25th MiG. The Americans still resigned themselves and confirmed this loss. Here is the official air victory. Maybe you will call it "not combat" ??? laughing
        1. Professor
          Professor 25 March 2014 21: 52
          -1
          Quote: supertiger21
          Dear professor, again you are for yours! There is no exact confirmation of these losses, because they didn’t find debris, but it cannot be denied.

          You can deny it. The fate of all the 21st B-2 is known. The question is: who was shot down?
          1. Russkiy53
            Russkiy53 26 March 2014 12: 21
            +1
            Someone :))) twenty-second :)))! And then, the "memory" of him was erased from all the archives :))) ... these are Americans :)! They are about: stuff cotton wool in your ears, or garbage into the brain - great specialists! They still deny this airplane with your hands, professor :)))! hurray, I understood: YOU, PROFESSOR-AMERICAN INFORMATION AGENT AND PROVOCATOR :))) !!! aha-ha :)) ) !!! I-revealed the secret agent of America :))) !!!
          2. supertiger21
            supertiger21 26 March 2014 14: 59
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            You can deny it. The fate of all the 21st B-2 is known. The question is: who was shot down?


            How can one deny that which is not reliably known ?!
            1. Professor
              Professor 26 March 2014 15: 03
              0
              Quote: supertiger21
              How can one deny that which is not reliably known ?!

              The fate of all spirits is reliably known. This is a fact, the rest is speculation.
  18. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 25 March 2014 14: 06
    +3
    Quote: ultra
    It was not Russia that surrendered but the Russian leadership

    And what could be expected from Apohmeltsin with a "zagulina" in his brain, this turkey, swollen with self-conceit of his greatness and self-admiration for his power, and the libesrals around him with mediocrity that came out of nowhere - Kozyrev at the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, who was only capable of that KOZYRYAT - to salute the State Department curators upon receiving instructions from them on what and how to do in international politics!
  19. Gray 43
    Gray 43 25 March 2014 16: 05
    +5
    The independent state demolished the NATO and nothing, the world community got into their mouths like water
  20. les103284
    les103284 25 March 2014 17: 09
    0
    The history of the development of air defense systems of the USSR shows the great potential and the possibility of modernizing systems for the long term. At the same time, there are also completely new developments that our American "partners" did not even dream of in their dreams!
  21. Rustam009
    Rustam009 25 March 2014 17: 20
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir65
    Gorbachev betrayed everything: the friendship of peoples, his country and people.

    "Leopard change his spots.
  22. rasputin17
    rasputin17 25 March 2014 17: 32
    +2
    A true officer who has given his debt to his homeland! It’s a pity that the tolerari who came to power leaked it as they leaked their country and the people living in it! ((The experience of this combat officer would be very useful for information in the teachings of our air defense !!! Such personnel solve many issues, and their experience is simply vital enjoy !!
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 25 March 2014 23: 02
      +1
      Quote: rasputin17
      A true officer who has given his debt to his homeland! Such shots solve many issues ...
      George Anichich acted just like an officer as an organizer of a battle, thinking with his head before deciding on an anti-aircraft battle. The choice of the missile launch distance and the high radiation supply, the switching on of the radar simulator, the distance of its removal outside the firing position - this is the "officer's job". Anichich outplayed, "changed his mind" amerovskih pilots, acting according to the scheme. 78 days of constant stress, mortal danger - this is the work of real men. I will say one thing: an officer must think before making a decision.
  23. barbiturate
    barbiturate 25 March 2014 17: 58
    +7
    It was interesting to read, I didn’t say anything unrealistic, the loss of the f-117 is real, shelling of the KR man-portable air defense system is also possible and was clearly carried out. That's about the B-2 is more difficult, but there is nothing fantastic in the downing, he is not talking about the downed UFO. B-2 aircraft participated in the operation - a fact, appeared directly OVER the target due to their armament - the fact, the altitude and reach of the S-125M complex is quite enough, as well as the fact that in some aspects and during certain actions (such as dropping bombs for example) The ESR of a bomber can greatly increase. Then why not be shot down?
  24. supertiger21
    supertiger21 25 March 2014 19: 06
    +1
    The downing of the F-117 by the Soviet S-125 proves that equipment is not always in the first place. The smart tactics of the Serbian military commanders who managed to bring down a stealth plane from an ancient air defense system played everything here. I am not trying to show the weakness of such an aircraft or the uselessness of stealth technologies, but I want to say that skill and experience are not less important than the number and equipment.
  25. GUSAR
    GUSAR 25 March 2014 19: 42
    +2
    Remember Yugoslavia ... and the rest, too, is not forgiven!
  26. Moskva-7
    Moskva-7 25 March 2014 19: 47
    0
    Quote: Professor
    but this flying wing reached the border. it collapsed and we have no material evidence left. " wassat


    no need to juggle. The missile hit the B-2 engine, that's a fact. Everything else is your speculation.

    It is believed that by the time the F-117 was shot down in the Russian Federation, work had already been carried out to modernize the C-125 to M1 (1995-1998), in which about half of the station blocks, containing 70% of its lamps and radio elements, were replaced by two special calculators and one functional block, which are also used in the S-300. On the C-125M1, a coherent storage device for radar signals was additionally introduced, and equipment for automatic capture and tracking of targets with an optical television channel of the air defense missile system (it was also TOV-Karat-2 before, but the new one was made on a different element base).

    It is possible that the threat of supply of S-300 was implemented in this way, because then Zolton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcmwkVOQ_Ek, told me that the Russians gave him a watch as an S-300 commander (at 5:09 a.m.)
    1. Professor
      Professor 25 March 2014 21: 54
      0
      Quote: Moskva-7
      The missile hit the B-2 engine, that's a fact.

      It will not be difficult for you to confirm this "fact", but how is it pulling on the bike?
  27. egsp
    egsp 25 March 2014 21: 02
    +1
    Professor, you are incompetent in matters of air defense. Or just a troll?
    1. Professor
      Professor 25 March 2014 21: 55
      0
      Quote: egsp
      Professor, you are incompetent in matters of air defense. Or just a troll?

      The troll is not competent at the same time, but I do not believe in fairy tales about the downed B-2. I believe in Santa Claus, but I do not believe in this fairy tale.
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 26 March 2014 15: 14
        0
        Professor, my question may not be relevant, but I’ll tell you. Do you acknowledge the loss of the Pakistani F-16 on April 29, 1987, which, together with the wingman, went into an air battle with 4 Soviet MiG-23s? An interesting fact is that the Soviet pilots won an aerial victory without even understanding what had happened, because. Pakistani accidentally fell under a network of bombs fired by the 23rd MiG. Can you imagine defeating a superior fighter even without using air-to-air missiles and an aircraft cannon ?! The Pakistanis themselves announced 4 air victories over the MiG-23, but this is again from the category "once on a fishing trip" laughing .For: the wreckage of the aircraft, captured pilots, the data of the photo-machine gun - the Pakistani pilots did not have ... request
        1. Professor
          Professor 26 March 2014 15: 26
          0
          Quote: supertiger21
          The professor may not have my question, but I’ll say it all the same. You acknowledge the loss of Pakistani F-16 on April 29, 1987

          I have no idea, I have never been interested in this event. request
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 26 March 2014 21: 02
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            I have no idea, I have never been interested in this event.


            Well, that doesn't happen, professor ... No. When you say what you call delirium, you immediately begin to attack and heal to the last drop of blood. And when you bring real facts and confirmations, you immediately begin to dismiss and be afraid of the issue. Do not want to - do not discuss, I will not persuade hi .
            1. Professor
              Professor 26 March 2014 22: 19
              0
              Quote: supertiger21
              Well, that doesn't happen, professor ...

              It happens. You can’t know everything. There are topics that do not interest me. This is one of them.

              Quote: supertiger21
              When you say what you call nonsense, you immediately begin to attack and heal to the last drop of blood. And when you bring real facts and confirmations, you immediately begin to dismiss and be afraid of the issue.

              About Spirit in Yugoslavia - nonsense, about Pakistanis I have no idea.
        2. sivuch
          sivuch 26 March 2014 17: 04
          +1
          Well, strictly speaking, Pivovarov’s car was slightly damaged
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 26 March 2014 18: 30
            +1
            Quote: sivuch
            Well, strictly speaking, Pivovarov’s car was slightly damaged


            This was another case, which happened 2 years later. Already in 1989, the F-16 and MiG-23 met again in the skies of Afghanistan. In this aerial battle, the Pakistanis did not manage to knock out a single MiG, although the ratio of the opponents was 4: 4. Only one of the pilots managed to launch an AIM-9 missile, which slightly damaged the MiG, but did not shoot it down. Further, without air-to-air missiles, Soviet afterburner fighters with folded wings broke away from the Pakistanis. The battle was finished with a score of 0: 0 It was started by the Pakistanis, who had a more modern fighter and challenged the unarmed 23rd MiGs, further proof that pilot skill can easily eliminate enemy equipment advantage.
  28. Sledgehammer
    Sledgehammer 26 March 2014 04: 15
    +1
    I don’t know how with V-2, in principle it’s possible to shoot down, the target is high-altitude, the EPR will change
    from the angle of exposure to its radar, the fool is not small smile

    Regarding mankind and tomahawks.
    The observer may be away from the shooters to warn them in advance
    (problem of short operation of the cooler) for the manufacture.
    Arrows do not have to be on the line of flight of the Kyrgyz Republic. Most likely to choose
    a place at a distance and at elevation from possible flight paths. They will shoot in pursuit most likely at a slight angle to the flying target.
  29. _my opinion
    _my opinion 26 March 2014 19: 41
    0
    ... the other day there was the premiere of the film "Zashto?" (Why?) ... about the bombing of Yugoslavia.
    Annotation to the film: "On the evening of March 24, 1999, several of the largest cities of Yugoslavia were subjected to NATO airstrikes. As a result of the bombing, which lasted three months, hundreds of dead and wounded, thousands of mutilated lives. Many are still haunted by this nightmare. Today, 15 years later , RT correspondents - Serbian and American - ask the question: “Why?” Elena Milincic and Anissa Naue will talk about what this NATO operation cost people, what is behind the media attack on the Milosevic regime, and how differently the same the war was covered in the US and perceived in Serbia. "
    Here is the link: http://catalog.rt.com/en/films/zashto/
  30. Geologist47
    Geologist47 27 March 2014 01: 35
    0
    Quote: Vladimir65
    Perestroika of Russia surrendered Yugoslavia and thereby allowed the Americans to unleash a series of wars in Africa and is now approaching Ukraine. Gorbachev betrayed everything: the friendship of peoples, his country and people.

    Yes, the macabre ruined the superpower, I feel sorry for the strength, sweat and blood of Soviet scientists and workers !!!
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