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Fragments of Ukraine can save from chaos only "a man with a gun"

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Fragments of Ukraine can save from chaos only "a man with a gun"



There will be no elections on the territory where the state of Ukraine has been until recently. And it’s not even the fact that the authorities in Kiev were seized by characters who could never come to it through elections and, therefore, are not interested in any elections. The fact is that from the real collapse of the former Ukraine, nothing can hold. No election can glue the already virtually ceased state. And no result of them will be able to arrange the entire territory, once the former Ukraine.

However, the provisional government in Kiev still depicts the process of its legalization. The individual who has entrusted the powers of almost all the top posts of the former state signed the amendments to the electoral law. They are very revealing. According to these amendments, the elections will be considered valid regardless of the number of polling stations and even districts.

On the one hand, it will allow not to recognize the withdrawal of the Crimea from the subordination of the territory of chaos to the provisional government. On the other hand, it will allow proclaiming any fiction by the elections. The amendments will theoretically allow even one Lviv region to elect the president of "All Ukraine". Where the result is obviously inappropriate, you can never open the polling stations.

And the justification will be really real: the interim government simply has no money for elections. And will not. The head of the provisional government, Kerensky Yatsenyuk, reduces all possible expenses and raises taxes on all residents of the former state. Naturally, except for the so-called "respected people", that is, the oligarchs.

So the interim government is trying not to leave the army without a monetary allowance. And this is done not at all because "Ukraine is preparing to repel Russia's aggression." This is done so that the commanders of military units as soon as possible realize the immutable truth: a rifle gives rise to power.

It will not help. The only force capable of collecting taxes in the territory of chaos, are gangs. With their help, the state was eliminated, and now it is they who are replacing the bodies of power and law and order. In the current situation, paying taxes on meager incomes is possible only under duress. But even if the gangs are handed out "mandates" to collect taxes, the budget is not filled. Bandits simply will not share the loot.

The only way out for the interim government would be to launch a printing press and release unsecured and rapidly depreciating money masses. Wherever the state ceases to exist, money substitutes, a card distribution system, barter, appear. And in this situation, real power is always shifted from the center (Kiev) to the local level. This is ... not even federalization, and not an elected local authority, which individuals who portray central authority are so afraid of. This is the actual design of the collapse of the former Ukraine. This is the power of circumstances. And the interim government simply cannot stop this process.

In the current situation, the power will be in weapon. And besides legalized gangs, the army has this instrument of power. And that is what the interim government is trying to keep under control. The same purpose is served by whipping up hysteria in the Ukrainian media, as well as the redeployment of units subordinated to the provisional government. The armed forces of the former Ukraine are trying to save money, trying to switch their attention to a fictional external threat. Why?

Yes, because the interim government is afraid of its own army much more than the unarmed people of the South-East of Ukraine. In a situation of already coming economic collapse, it is very difficult to retain control over the “man with a gun”. Both law enforcement agencies and military units will be subordinate to the power that will be formed in the places of permanent deployment. And where there will be more than one contenders for power, it will be the “man with a gun” that will become the real power. Neither the armed gangsters nor the oligarchic private security firms will be able to prevent the army and law enforcement agencies. No personnel cleansing, “Maidan commissioners” and a monetary allowance from the last forces of the budget will not be able to change the process that was launched by the overthrow of power.

And the sooner people in uniform will understand that it is they who have the real power, the less opportunities for bloody sweeps in the South-Eastern regions will be in the provisional government.
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  1. Keeper
    Keeper 25 March 2014 18: 55
    +16
    Only a competent politician can save Ukraine, who can explain to the Ukrainian people all the realities of the current situation!
    30 minutes of live broadcast and sheer truth!
    As in the movie "BROTHER": the power is in the truth !!!
    1. svetlomor
      svetlomor 25 March 2014 19: 08
      +16
      Only a competent politician can save Ukraine, who can explain to the Ukrainian people all the realities of the current situation!
      Maybe he is?
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 25 March 2014 19: 48
        +8
        However, the interim government in Kiev still depicts the process of its legalization.
        Quote: svetlomor
        Maybe he is?


        ... if good, he could save.
        Another thing, is it necessary?
        The fact is that only "a man with a gun," as they say in the article, can save the whole of Ukraine.
        Those. through great violence, pacifying some and driving them to a stall, while protecting others from the actions of reckless ... Moreover, reckless people will be supplied and kept with quite certain force-arrogant Saxons. In these conditions - do we need it?
        After all, the main task of the arrogant Saxons is to arrange so that the Slavs kill each other as much as possible ...
        1. So_o_tozh
          So_o_tozh 25 March 2014 22: 11
          -17%
          100% of the truth, on this site they impose the idea of ​​a supposed split of Ukraine and demonize the role of the opposition in power. No need to dramatize the situation in this way, although most people hate the Bandera of the Natsik and the trio of clowns. But the war with Russia will unite our people. Now it’s clearly not the time for provocations, it’s better to wait for a complete economic disaster, in case of emergency I have land, hands, legs, feet, head in place, we will not die of hunger.
          1. sPS
            sPS 25 March 2014 23: 50
            +3
            when they impose taxes on the maintenance of banderlogs and force them to feed 10 soldiers assigned to the hut, and for any dissatisfaction they will announce the enemy then you scratch your turnips .....
          2. batonoGivi
            batonoGivi 26 March 2014 00: 16
            +3
            May the war not unite our people. Moreover, the war with Russia. It's just that Lviv is not all of Ukraine, no matter how much you want it, and in the South-East there are very few people who consider Russia an invader and occupier. And "there is land" - in a regime of military operations or martial law - the concept is as ephemeral as a park over a chamber pot. Simply put - do you need it? Where to go to shoot living people?
      2. Ivan Tucha
        Ivan Tucha 25 March 2014 21: 23
        +1
        5 points poster laughing
        1. vo.dum
          vo.dum 25 March 2014 21: 57
          +4
          Much is right ... but vague doubts in this army torment .... I would have been with normal commanders ... I would have thrown Yanuk herself when he began to surrender everyone and established a military dictatorship ... everything is better than now ... and so this army is likely to replenish and organize the same gangs without a single leadership ... and this is even worse because they have heavy weapons ... the thief then it will be a concert on request and for neighboring countries the same when Mykola prakor decides what some Polish pan-president offended him profusely ... or grew up. the governor ... the cookies will not pass here ...
          1. hawkeye
            hawkeye 25 March 2014 22: 22
            0
            Mutants with weapons!
    2. mamont5
      mamont5 25 March 2014 19: 15
      +12
      Quote: Keeper
      Only a competent politician can save Ukraine, who can explain to the Ukrainian people all the realities of the current situation!

      Pinochet is needed here. In such a situation, only a dictatorship can save the country.
    3. schizophrenic
      schizophrenic 25 March 2014 19: 18
      +4
      Quote: Keeper
      Only competent politician can save Ukraine

      Where such a policy in Ukraine to take, if only Yanukovych with Polite troops. hi
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 25 March 2014 19: 28
        +17
        An army of rams led by a lion will always defeat an army of lions led by a ram. And Yanukovych is a ram.
        1. Shooter308ful
          Shooter308ful 25 March 2014 19: 37
          +14
          But Yanukovych does not lead an army. Yanukovych is a trump card in our hands for playing in foreign policy. Until Russia put it on the table as an argument. But the time will come to play and Yanukovych at the end of the game for Ukraine. I think so.
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 25 March 2014 21: 19
            -2
            Yanukovych card is broken. Instead, you can show the head from papier-mâché on a zombie creature, there is only one effect.
            1. inkass_98
              inkass_98 26 March 2014 07: 29
              0
              Quote: novobranets
              Instead, you can show the head from papier-mâché on a zombie creature, there is only one effect.

              So for more it is not needed. A wedding general with a semblance of legitimacy is much better than a bunch of impostors without any signs of the legality of their tenure. Yanukovych - just a banner, which will then be removed under the glass, so that the moth doesn’t come off.
          2. nerd.su
            nerd.su 26 March 2014 00: 06
            0
            Quote: Shooter308ful
            Yanukovych is a trump card in our hands for playing in foreign policy.

            Well, yes, the trump six beats the usual ace. The main thing is that the opponent does not have a pack of aces ...
        2. Rus2012
          Rus2012 25 March 2014 19: 50
          +3
          Quote: novobranets
          And Yanukovych is a ram.

          it’s just a standard for troops ....
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 25 March 2014 20: 31
            +1
            I do not think that under such a standard you can fight. Golden eagle will confirm.
        3. Eydolon
          Eydolon 25 March 2014 20: 16
          +2
          the new government is ram, once a hundred
        4. schizophrenic
          schizophrenic 25 March 2014 21: 06
          +2
          Quote: novobranets
          A Yanukovych ram

          I want to correct, and after Yanukovych GDP, and get an army of lions at the head of the lion and Yanukovych six with the lions.
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 25 March 2014 21: 11
            0
            Yanukovych has discredited himself why he needs the GDP now, and who needs it now, who will believe him. I wouldn’t follow this, because I betrayed him more than once.
            1. Evgenij.
              Evgenij. 26 March 2014 04: 18
              0
              he is the legitimate president of Ukraine
              1. novobranets
                novobranets 26 March 2014 05: 06
                0
                Quote: Evgenij.
                he is the legitimate president of Ukraine

                Only the name and all. Therefore, above, I said, about the head on the box.
          2. dmitriygorshkov
            dmitriygorshkov 25 March 2014 21: 34
            +1
            Quote: schizophrenic
            I want to correct, and after Yanukovych GDP, and get an army of lions at the head of the lion and Yanukovych six with the lions.

            Yanek type tobacco?
            Rrrrrrrrrrrrr ....
            1. schizophrenic
              schizophrenic 25 March 2014 22: 00
              +1
              Quote: dmitriygorshkov
              Rrrrrrrrrrrrr

              Life and money must be worked out. No, it will be wassat
              1. schizophrenic
                schizophrenic 25 March 2014 22: 29
                +2
                joke
                a sheep settled on the field and began to row everything for himself,
                tired of the animals and gathered a bunch of cuffs inserted ram
                he fled into the forest and complains to the bear that he has nowhere to go
                bear and says "rest with me and I'll figure it out"
                He went down and built everything, but he could not catch the eagle
                comes and says to the ram, "now you will work off for the rest, I will climb a tree and set up an ambush, and you will bleat and swear to an eagle under it."
    4. 222222
      222222 25 March 2014 19: 22
      +9
      March 25, 2014, in the city of Donetsk, the extraordinary 47th Congress of the Communist Party of Ukraine

      "" Get up, the country is huge!
      D O K L A D
      First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine P.N.Simonenko to the 47th Extraordinary Congress of the Communist Party of Ukraine
      25.03.2014
      “Today we are clearly seeing two trends.
      Firstly, an increase in the army of the unemployed in Western countries, a large-scale attack on the social, labor, civil rights of the working classes in these countries.
      Second, the strengthening of the aggressive neo-colonial policy of the US and its European satellites in order to establish control over the natural, financial and human resources of developing countries. "
      ... "The February coup in Ukraine ended with the actual defeat of hired workers. The same oligarchs came to power on the shields and bats of nationalist militants and various illegal paramilitary groups.
      Thus, the national fascist regime was established in Ukraine. The regime, which waged a fierce struggle against dissent, established total censorship in the media with revealing reprisals against journalists who had their own point of view. A regime that replaced the power of the right to the right of power, which divided the people into “right” and “wrong”.
      The February coup in Ukraine did not resolve any of the contradictions that led our society to a deep crisis. And the new-old government first of all started mass layoffs of officials and sale of posts. "
      .. "It is becoming more and more obvious: those who want to replay the results of the Great Patriotic War without war came to power in Ukraine, steal the Victory won at a high price from our people, the heirs of those who declared that their power" would be terrible " ...

      In general terms, we can say that the national-fascist regime established in Ukraine as a result of a coup d'etat is characterized by the following features: .. "
      ........ the report is very large .. who cares, see for yourself ..................
      http://www.kpu.ua/vstavaj-strana-ogromnaya-d-o-k-l-a-d-pervogo-sekretarya-ck-kpu
      -pn-simonenko-47-mu-vneocherednomu-sezdu-kompartii-ukrainy /
      1. a52333
        a52333 25 March 2014 20: 38
        +1
        Your post is richer than this entire article.
        Bullshit 1. A military coup can be made by the commander in chief. Its NOT. This demoralized bunch of half-starving boys has one thought, if only nothing would start.
        Bullshit 2.
        The only way out for the interim government would be to launch the printing press and release the unsecured and rapidly depreciating money supply.
        who will give them? the author about current board heard anything? Russia and China, with all their might, cannot get rid of it. Will Ukraine turn on the machine?
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 26 March 2014 00: 33
          0
          Quote: a52333
          A military coup can be made by the commander in chief.

          A military coup can only be accomplished by a military man who enjoys authority in the troops. And, preferably, in other power structures. This is not necessarily the commander in chief, maybe the chief of staff, district, military branch, and the division commander. But what is it, in Africa sometimes the battalion commanders managed, they talk ... Gaddafi, it seems, was just the captain of the communications troops when he made the coup. Obviously not a regiment commanded ...

          Quote: a52333
          This demoralized bunch of half-starved boys has one thought, if only nothing would start.

          Have you got into everyone’s soul and plate?

          Quote: a52333
          who will give them? the author about current board heard anything?

          And who will not? Tell us about the terrible current board?
      2. Kot bazilio
        Kot bazilio 26 March 2014 01: 16
        0
        Wow! Three times past country ... guardsmen Petruhi Simonenko surfaced! Where the world is heading!
        Essno, the current Petruch save us all and come to Shastu! Amin,.
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    6. siberalt
      siberalt 25 March 2014 19: 40
      +5
      Well, by definition, turning the brain in the opposite direction will not work in 30 minutes. And they are unlikely to be allowed to get to the live broadcast. Any external invasion by force will inevitably result in popular confrontation. Then the neighbors and Russia will begin to get involved. But not a single "Europe" will agree to this option. Ukraine should forget about Crimea as its territory. Russia is there in fact! And it will never leave there. So everything should be decided by the Ukrainian people. Tueva gora time before the elections. And anything can happen, but rather a civil war through riots.
    7. Horde
      Horde 25 March 2014 22: 18
      +2
      Fragments of Ukraine can save from chaos only "a man with a gun"


      it is necessary to EXTEND this BANDERLANDA dogs Maidan already
      biting among themselves,
      -army is poorly supplied and managed
      -The most AGGRESSIVE action movies are destroyed -Sasha White
      Putin needs to invest in centrifugal forces in the parliament and the Bandera government
      Putin needs to invest in referenda in the eastern regions
      and then the Maidan will step on its own throat ...
    8. Ross
      Ross 26 March 2014 00: 47
      +1
      And the sooner people in uniform will understand that it is they who have the real power, the less opportunities for bloody sweeps in the South-Eastern regions will be in the provisional government.

      Is it not for this that they are preparing Yanukovych? Legitimate commander in chief.
    9. nikolaev
      nikolaev 26 March 2014 04: 29
      0
      The need for a militia has not disappeared.

      Moreover, it will increase as the confrontation between Russia and the West grows.

      The danger of a terrorist war is growing.

      We must not dissolve the truly priceless manifestation of national consciousness, but legitimize and extend the experience of Crimea to all of Russia !!!
    10. Hope
      Hope 26 March 2014 11: 34
      0
      who has ears, let him hear .. (c) The problem is that people don’t want to hear this truth (not all, but a sufficient part), otherwise the people of Kiev themselves would have junted at the beginning of the Maidan. But screaming that everyone is to blame except I am much more fun, and no responsibility.
      And to those areas that resist, yes there, they need a good leader who can rally and organize people.
  2. Stalker
    Stalker 25 March 2014 18: 55
    +28
    Details of the capture of the project 773 U401 "Kirovograd" medium landing craft by the GRU Armed Forces of the Russian Federation became known. For more than 20 hours, successive Russian commandos shouted to the Ukrainian sailors the command “Whoever doesn’t - that Mosk @ l” to the loudspeaker. After 20 hours, the exhausted sailors and officers were loaded onto trucks and sent to the hospital. laughing
    1. hrych
      hrych 25 March 2014 18: 58
      +11
      I think they lured him to fat.
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      2. Stalker
        Stalker 25 March 2014 19: 04
        +6
        I think they lured him to fat.
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  3. Turik
    Turik 25 March 2014 18: 58
    +16
    Now Ukraine in fact is not a state, but the territory between Poland and Russia, controlled by the devil knows by whom.

    It is necessary to save the country, and better than Russia than the Poles.
    1. svp67
      svp67 25 March 2014 20: 17
      +7
      Quote: Turik
      It is necessary to save the country, and better than Russia than the Poles.

      Better - to internal forces, albeit with our support, but not explicit ... In Ukraine now there is a force that just needs to be collected (if it is not already collected), of course the former "Berkut" and many other intelligence officers who turned out not to be the new ruler and the army ... A lot of interesting things will soon happen in Ukraine, and soon ...
      1. f.lourens
        f.lourens 26 March 2014 02: 36
        +1
        BERKUT is not former; he is now part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation hi
    2. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov 25 March 2014 21: 44
      +2
      Quote: Turik
      Now Ukraine in fact is not a state, but the territory between Poland and Russia, controlled by the devil knows by whom.

      It is so! But we know who this territory is inhabited by!
      And even if there is a tuyeva heap of banderlogs, space heroes, dolbyotyatly and supergays of all stripes, there are those who are no different from us, they are more like our brothers, they are us, and now they need our help and that changes everything!
    3. Kot bazilio
      Kot bazilio 26 March 2014 01: 19
      0
      Why just now the territory?
      Read the story - always a territory. But never - the STATE.
      Well, in fairness - sometimes. In places. But not for long. So, local government.
  4. Strashila
    Strashila 25 March 2014 19: 00
    +7
    Once again we were convinced of vitality, for the umpteenth time, sayings ... Russia has only two allies, an army and a navy.
    1. Stinger
      Stinger 25 March 2014 21: 02
      +3
      Three. More Gazprom.
      1. Horde
        Horde 25 March 2014 21: 52
        +2
        Quote: Stinger
        Three. More Gazprom.

        no, these are traitors ...
  5. KAPITANUS
    KAPITANUS 25 March 2014 19: 00
    +8
    It is still hard to believe that the country, Ukraine, has perished. Citizens still live, passports and diplomatic missions are still valid, but there is no real power, life is still going on "roll-over" and all Ukrainians are trying to believe that everything is still the same, BUT IT'S NOT SO! In reality - the lack of power, the inability of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, rampant crime, complete ANARCHY! In general, do people walk in the evening in Odessa, Kiev, do night bars and discos work? Or an unspoken curfew ?!
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn 25 March 2014 19: 07
      +5
      This is still life by inertia.
      The wood in the fireplace crackled quietly.
      The moon was shining outside the window.
      The samovar snorted on the table.
      And around everything collapsed, collapsed.
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 25 March 2014 21: 14
      +3
      Quote: KAPITANUS
      It is still hard to believe that the country - Ukraine has perished.

      The territory of modern Ukraine is the motherland of my ancestors.
      Therefore, he never posed the question for himself whether this country has a right to exist. But now I clearly understand that no. Today's Ukraine is not a country, it is a ruin, fragments of a great empire.
      For Ukraine to take place as a country, it must go through such a furnace and it’s even scary to think about it. For these strange people to begin to understand and realize what is happening around them, they will have to pay too high a price. It is bitter to realize ...
    3. Cristall
      Cristall 26 March 2014 01: 35
      +1
      Odessa
      March 25, 2014. I saw a bunch of girls, couples and others - they went beautiful and smiled. I went to work all busily going somewhere (someone to study someone to work)
      but there is one BUT ... here it is still quiet, but what we see in the country and in this den of clowns in Kiev is not happy. Soon Yumorina - and you can’t surpass these clowns, the whole world will laugh since November ...
  6. Monk
    Monk 25 March 2014 19: 04
    +8
    And the sooner people in uniform will understand that it is they who have the real power, the less opportunities for bloody sweeps in the South-Eastern regions will be in the provisional government.


    Sometimes a step forward is the result of a kick in the ass - they need help.
  7. NDR-791
    NDR-791 25 March 2014 19: 11
    +6
    In particular - I agree, but in general terms, of course not! Minister of Defense of Ukraine - resignation. There is a new one, but it looks more like ZITs Chairman Fuchs.
    There is no power, and there is no one but banderlogs to occupy even the places of deployment of the former capable forces, and they will soon bite each other, and not just what lies bad.
    Personally, I can only hope for the polite young people in the "olive" (the conversation about private troops in Russia for two years, but few have heard) - or I don't understand anything about the actions of VVP.
    And generally speaking - the legitimate president of Ukraine has the right to ask the head of a friendly state for military assistance. And not necessarily on camera, it is possible in a telephone conversation.
  8. Quantum
    Quantum 25 March 2014 19: 12
    +3
    The right conclusion! The Military Committee is able to support the protest movements, protect against Bandera gangs and form a new government of Ukraine, loyal to Russia. Officers of Ukraine, go!
  9. Normman
    Normman 25 March 2014 19: 13
    +2
    Well, turn on the printing press, so what? For gas and those 60% of goods that Ukraine imports will also be calculated on freshly printed hryvnia?
    As for the man with the gun, I would rather believe in the establishment of an emergency and in the dictator’s coming to power from the military following the example of Chile, than in uncontrolled banditry in Ukraine.
    1. 222222
      222222 25 March 2014 20: 03
      +2
      "..... in the coming to power of a dictator from the military following the example of Chile, than in uncontrolled banditry in Ukraine." ....
      I will not be mistaken if I assume that there is no such leader among the highest military of Ukraine ..
  10. Gagarin
    Gagarin 25 March 2014 19: 15
    +6
    Well, it always worked, both under Petliura, and under Denikin, and under Old Man Makhno.
    Quote: KAPITANUS
    do night bars work
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 26 March 2014 01: 37
      0
      Quote: Gagarin
      do night bars work

      The strip bar around the corner (Casanova) is open. It's funny that the "Dr. Casanova" intimate store 2 blocks from the bar also works))
      Now it's warmer - the bars began to come to life.
  11. konvalval
    konvalval 25 March 2014 19: 16
    +4
    In the morning I feel that the author is 100% right. Everything has gone far. The only question is whose military it will be.
  12. parus2nik
    parus2nik 25 March 2014 19: 21
    +9
    Ukraine, in my opinion, does not have an army ... the army will scatter itself ... A simple example, nothing prevented the Ukrainian Navy, during the rampant in Crimea, the Maydanites, to take the civilian population under their protection ... but the courageous Ukrainian sailors locked themselves on their ships under the slogan, my hut is on the edge, I don’t know anything .. And when the cabins were opened .. baaaaaaa .. Crimea is already Russia .. The same army, cowardly sat in the barracks, when weapons "disappeared" from its warehouses ..
    1. Sagittarius
      Sagittarius 25 March 2014 21: 17
      +3
      [quote = parus2nik] A simple example, nothing prevented the Ukrainian Navy, during the rampage in Crimea, to protect the civilian population .. but the courageous Ukrainian sailors locked themselves in their ships under the slogan, I don’t know what the hut is from the edge. / quote]
      I think you are wrong. You do not take into account the specifics of the army - strict submission to senior commanders, compliance with the requirements of charters and orders of commanders. Remember the Second World War - people died without receiving an order to leave on time. The inaction of the Ukrainian military in Crimea ultimately led to a bloodless scenario of the transition of Crimea to Russia.
  13. Dikson
    Dikson 25 March 2014 19: 21
    +9
    The Ukrainian army will not go to war ... If you did not go for the incumbent president (he seems to have told them not to intervene) - but at the moment when it became clear that the power in the country could not be maintained without military action, it didn’t go all the same! ... So, if then she didn’t go, then now she will not follow any of those who are in the Rada or elsewhere. - They’ll just run home with weapons, because there’s no one to fight for except their close ones and relatives .. What, will they go for the Ukrainian oligarchs? - I think not ... For Julia? Which of the commanders after the Crimea will believe the Ukrainian General Staff? The moment of truth for the Ukrainian military has been missed ... I agree with the opinion of the author that the banderlogs who came to power are trying by all means to distract the army from internal problems and chaos in the country by the threat of military action from Russia .. - and, in fact, Yanukovych’s requests to Putin no one has canceled help for restoring order in Ukraine. It is true that Yugoslavia is destined for a peaceful resolution of the issue. She has already split up. And no army can glue it.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 25 March 2014 19: 37
      +7
      She has already split up. And no army can glue it.
      I agree completely. We need to take the industry focused on US. And most importantly, PEOPLE who want to live in Russia and as quickly as possible. Enough !!! We just threw veterans in the Baltic states! And specialists of Radio engineering from there! And the sailors! These are the same people who asked for HOME, and we give them a five-year period of probation for loyalty to the country !!! and the artificial directories - the former Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, do not need pieces of the Austrian monarchy - there everything is dancing from the European mentality of the medieval - break your neighbor.
    2. 222222
      222222 25 March 2014 19: 58
      +3
      Dikson RU Today, 19:21
      "The Ukrainian army will not go to fight ...."
      .. "as of March 25, more than 40 million hryvnias have been received from legal entities and individuals to the accounts of the Ministry of Defense within the framework of the campaign" Support the Ukrainian Army "as assistance to the Armed Forces of Ukraine."

      ... even if it does, the question "will there be .. ???"
      1. 222222
        222222 25 March 2014 20: 50
        +1
        V. And Lenin: "In any war, victory is ultimately determined by the state of mind of those masses who shed their blood on the battlefield. The conviction of the justice of war, the awareness of the need to sacrifice their lives for the good of their brothers lifts the spirit of the soldiers and makes them endure unheard-of burdens."
  14. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 25 March 2014 19: 26
    +21
    Maybe not in the subject but cool ..)))
  15. shinobi
    shinobi 25 March 2014 19: 27
    +4
    Our military must help their military quickly realize the fact that everything is in their hands. I think the work is underway.
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 25 March 2014 20: 04
      +3
      Quote: shinobi
      Our military must help their military quickly realize the fact that everything is in their hands. I think the work is underway.

      We in Crimea have already shown what the real Army looks like!! Then let them decide and quickly (the Bandera are arming themselves intensely)
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  16. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 25 March 2014 19: 39
    +4
    <<< Only "a man with a gun" can save the fragments of Ukraine from chaos >>>
    "Polite people" have already saved Crimea! The turn for the rest of the regions of Ukraine! Maydanutye, with suitcases to go to "beloved" Europe! They are waiting for you there!
  17. Siberian19
    Siberian19 25 March 2014 19: 58
    +8
    YOU UNDERSTAND, GEORGE, THAT UKRAINE IS NOT EVEN THE STATE!

    These words were said by Vladimir Putin to his friend D. Bush in April 2008, at the Russia-NATO meeting in Bucharest. At that meeting, the issue of admission of new members to Georgia, Georgia and Ukraine was “sharply” discussed. The initiators of the “reception” were naturally the United States and some of its limiting NATO allies. There were those who actively opposed this initiative, in particular the “old” Europeans, and Russia, in general, was categorically against admission to NATO, both Ukraine and Georgia. It was at the Russia-NATO summit, in Bucharest, It was at Russia-NATO summit, in Bucharest, Putin openly told Bush and all other NATO members that if they decide to admit Ukraine to NATO, it will cease to exist. But then no one believed him, many Western leaders even furtively laughed at Putin, believing that he was crazy and raving. It was about the same as now, when Merkel shared her thoughts with Maximka - after her telephone conversation with Putin: Barik, our mutual “friend” lost touch with reality! So then, in Bucharest, Bush also laughed at Putin, he even patted him on the shoulder indulgently, they say - frolic so far, sweetheart. Bush was simply aware of the international adventure with which he would soon be soloing in South Ossetia, his errand bijou, Mishiko Saakashvili. “Surprise” in Yu.O. was personally prepared for Putin, but he still had to “eclipse” the Beijing Olympics and in passing spoil the souls of the Chinese. But then no one believed him, many Western leaders even furtively laughed at Putin, believing that he was crazy and raving. It was about the same as now, when Merkel shared her thoughts with Maximka - after her telephone conversation with Putin: Barik, our mutual “friend” lost touch with reality! So then, in Bucharest, Bush also laughed at Putin, he even patted him on the shoulder indulgently, they say - frolic so far, sweetheart. Bush was simply aware of the international adventure with which he would soon be soloing in South Ossetia, his errand bijou, Mishiko Saakashvili. “Surprise” in Yu.O. was prepared personally for Putin, but he still had to “eclipse” the Beijing Olympics and in passing spoil the Chinese in soul
  18. siberalt
    siberalt 25 March 2014 20: 00
    +2
    The author is right. The core of statehood always lies with the army. Military coups decided the outcome of political squabbles and troubles in many countries of the world. Under a weak government, the military is also a threat to him. The commander in chief and senior military leadership serve as a bridge between power and the army. To destroy such a bridge is to lose an army. What we observe in Ukraine.
  19. sv68
    sv68 25 March 2014 20: 12
    +2
    And in Ukraine, to deep seeding, there were no strong personalities who could unite the country. There are a lot of pakemons, but the LEADER is unintentional
  20. Barakuda
    Barakuda 25 March 2014 20: 16
    +2
    Quote: mamont5
    Quote: Keeper
    Only a competent politician can save Ukraine, who can explain to the Ukrainian people all the realities of the current situation!

    Pinochet is needed here. In such a situation, only a dictatorship can save the country.

    Pinochet doesn't roll. Russia is too close - close. In the sense of order - I agree. And in everything else, it is quickly unknown who accidentally shoots while hunting.
  21. Maxim90
    Maxim90 25 March 2014 20: 23
    +2
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=txBLajI1-w4]
  22. Maxim90
    Maxim90 25 March 2014 20: 26
    0
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=leOmFII9RLw
  23. polite people
    polite people 25 March 2014 20: 27
    +10
    Nearby with you guys are ready to politely help you. Ukraine - rise.
  24. Maxim90
    Maxim90 25 March 2014 20: 28
    +1
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=jckrJz8bGIM
  25. tomcat117
    tomcat117 25 March 2014 20: 32
    +3
    Quote: novobranets
    An army of rams led by a lion will always defeat an army of lions led by a ram. And Yanukovych is a ram.

    Controversial statement.
    The army of lions would not have reached such a state when the rams command them (for example, "Berkut" - they did not want to obey the cattle). So "lions" (read army) are not lions at all, but real rams, depicting lions with trembling knees.
  26. Maxim90
    Maxim90 25 March 2014 20: 33
    0
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1REqyJ6ieI
  27. Filand
    Filand 25 March 2014 20: 35
    +1
    Quote: Monk
    Sometimes a step forward is the result of a kick in the ass - they need help.

    Help with weapons equipment, and people studying including in Soviet and Russian military schools in Ukraine, enough
  28. Maxim90
    Maxim90 25 March 2014 20: 39
    +1
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZJDCpbk_9w
  29. alitet
    alitet 25 March 2014 20: 43
    +3
    There is no need to save Ukraine. Is it really not clear that they are trying to destroy us, the Slavs. It's time for the guys to "save" their Fatherland, the time has come. There are enough clever people on the respected site. We sit at the screens and think about who will save Ukraine, tpfu !!! ........deleted by moderator Apollo Go and protect. I just got from there. Ask questions and hear the truth.
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 25 March 2014 23: 48
      +1
      Quote: alitet
      I'm just from there. Ask questions and hear the truth.

      From there, where is it from?
      1. Riperbahn
        Riperbahn 26 March 2014 00: 18
        0
        And what is the length of the Volga?
  30. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 25 March 2014 20: 58
    +4
    I don’t know how anyone, but for some reason I see the new Europe like this: Russia and Germany are guarantors of indivisibility. England has never been the basis of Europe, traders can dominate only in primitive society, Italy, because of its mentality, does not burden itself with this function, but France after World War II (as a result of which it undeservedly became one of the winning countries, thanks to Stalin), and now finally degraded (merit of the current leadership) simply should be discounted. So Germany and we need it no less than ours, it’s absolutely necessary, it’s vitally necessary to put emphasis and calm all peoples for a very long perspective — the fermentation process must be completed otherwise the wine will turn sour.
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 25 March 2014 21: 26
      +2
      Quote: Ivan 63
      it is vitally necessary to set accents and calm all peoples for a very long term

      the fermentation process in Europe has long been launched ... You are right that the Germans are tired of feeding the EU and pulling this whole cart of loafers .. But Ukraine seems to have launched the domino effect ..
      Guarantors of indivisibility of what? Italy with its Venice? Spain with its Basques? Great Britain with its Scotland, or even Turkey with Kurdistan? The withdrawal of production from European countries to Asia played a cruel joke with the peoples of these countries - it turned out that in a crisis there is nothing to eat without their own national enterprises .. And many have already tried about the delights of joining the WTO .. ​​Well, let the United States of Ukraine be in the West .. their laws, in the East and in the south, their own .. how long will this centaur live?
  31. fregina1
    fregina1 25 March 2014 21: 22
    +1
    Late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys fell off! That's the whole picture in Ukraine! To prevent it from happening, there will be another section according to the Commonwealth, only in the Ukrainian way!
  32. kocclissi
    kocclissi 25 March 2014 21: 30
    0
    Damn and what to do?
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 25 March 2014 23: 21
      +1
      Quote: kocclissi
      Damn and what to do?

      ask army surgeons ... No matter how cynical and painful it sounds: when gangrene is usually amputated, grabbing a couple of centimeters of living tissue .. and so. West - separately, East - separately. At least on the territorial, at least on the religious principle ... I really knew one old woman who once whispered to a gangrene to a girl - the doctors said that everything .. - is late .. But the sick country is not a child ... Or it will remain to watch how not a stranger to us people choking on their own blood will say: Lord, what have we done ??! I don’t see a pan-Ukrainian idea or a leader who will stop the collapse of the country and reconcile the West and the Southeast.
  33. Nasrat
    Nasrat 25 March 2014 21: 42
    +2
    Quote: mamont5
    Quote: Keeper
    Only a competent politician can save Ukraine, who can explain to the Ukrainian people all the realities of the current situation!

    Pinochet is needed here. In such a situation, only a dictatorship can save the country.


    But you did not notice that it (DICTATURE) already exists, and it is directed against the Russians and the South-East of Ukraine.
  34. vinc
    vinc 25 March 2014 21: 58
    +1
    A polite and green "man with a gun"?
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  37. Chikua
    Chikua 25 March 2014 22: 01
    +3
    Anthem of the South East of Ukraine
    1. ser fuz
      ser fuz 26 March 2014 10: 51
      0
      Class To Point
  38. zzzeka
    zzzeka 25 March 2014 22: 03
    +2
    The former "state" ... after the collapse of the Union, there is no state there. Ukraine is not a state, but a territory. The state is a strong leader, the state apparatus is officials (in the good sense of the word) and the army. Was there any of the above in Ukraine? The answer is obvious - a surrogate. Dictatorship is possible if there is a strong leader, only where to get him. I really don't want to see the approaching Middle Ages, and the dark one.
  39. vasek-3180
    vasek-3180 25 March 2014 22: 21
    +3
    Oh, how the countrymen look in the photo, my heart is pleased! outfit, 74 with a collimator, no words, I'll go 100 I will accept for our army !!! drinks
    1. Samaritan
      Samaritan 25 March 2014 22: 33
      +3
      Another "pill" for the heart
      drinks
    2. Samaritan
      Samaritan 25 March 2014 22: 35
      +3
      And balm)
  40. vvvvv
    vvvvv 25 March 2014 23: 46
    +2
    The grandson of the grandfather asks:
    - Grandfather, how do Jews differ from the Jews?
    - Jews are good people. They live in Israel, defend their country, fight with the Arabs. And Jews live in Ukraine, eat fat, drink vodka and build a national Ukrainian state.
    - Grandfather, how is Russian different from me?
    - Russians are good people. They live in Russia, love their homeland, fight with the Chechens, give us oil and gas. And they live in Ukraine, eat fat, drink vodka and build a national Ukrainian state.
    - Ukrainians are good people. They live in the USA and Canada, do not violate laws, love Ukraine and do business. But they live in Ukraine, eat fat, drink vodka and prevent Jews and pits from building a national Ukrainian state.
  41. uzer 13
    uzer 13 26 March 2014 00: 04
    +2
    The fact that Ukraine ceased to exist as a state is still half the trouble. It is confidently slipping into a state of civil war, if there are no events that can radically change the existing situation. Most likely this will not happen and will have to send troops. In the summer they will still stretch on the pasture, and in the winter it turns out that there is nothing to drown and nothing to eat, and nothing to pay salaries. Obama and Merkel's handouts cannot be corrected, a lot of money is needed.
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn 26 March 2014 00: 29
      +2
      Ukraine was about ... everything that it inherited from the USSR. Now this is not a state, but just a piece of land, still inhabited. No loans and credits will not restore the state in this territory. Only the division of this territory between interested players and the assimilation of parts of the people into other states can help. The idea of ​​Ukraine has outlived itself. The idea came - of Crimea, New Russia, Little Russia, Galicia, as non-independent parts of other states. Well, the Romanians with the Hungarians will break something there.
      1. Cristall
        Cristall 26 March 2014 01: 43
        0
        Quote: Riperbahn
        Well, the Romanians with the Hungarians will break something there

        image of the genital organ break off.
  42. kelevra
    kelevra 26 March 2014 00: 22
    +1
    The current "authorities" of Ukraine are deliberately creating tension. It is correctly written, two structures now have weapons; the Guard and the Army! The former will not want to disarm, and the latter will be obliged to disarm them. This is the beginning of civil confrontation. the remnants of Ukrainian good! The army needs to take power into their own hands, they will be supported by ordinary citizens. Then some kind of stability can come.
  43. Berkut-UA
    Berkut-UA 26 March 2014 02: 27
    +2


    Some information - what is being done in Ukraine
  44. Indifferent
    Indifferent 26 March 2014 02: 42
    0
    In fact, Ukraine has no army! There are no responsible senior officers capable of taking on a military coup. In addition, such coups in other countries have always been carried out in the interests of the United States or another major European country. And then in the interests of the Ukrainians themselves? I doubt very much, and money is needed for this. In addition to literacy and responsibility, officers should be tied to common interests and subordination. This should be a group of like-minded people, subordinate to which are very combat-ready units that all responsible government structures in Kiev can take in a matter of hours. There is no such group of officers in the Ukrainian army. I am sure of that. Maybe they can punch bricks with their heads, but competently take power in one night - no! In addition, the consolidation of such groups of officers takes time. We need a plan and a huge political will. I don’t see such officers there. There was one that I liked, and he went to serve in the Russian army. Rather, in the fleet.
    So everything that is written here is unrealistic. Ukraine cannot become a single state without massive violence against its own citizens. Will it be economically or politically soon see. And there are big economic problems ahead. So any power, elected or not, is unlikely to survive until winter.
    What they can do in time is to join NATO and then good Afghanistan will begin there. I would like to be mistaken ...
  45. chinararem
    chinararem 26 March 2014 03: 41
    +2
    Such a nice movie. Who has not seen, look.
  46. Horn
    Horn 26 March 2014 06: 39
    0
    Yes, exactly "the man with the gun." But a Ukrainian man with a Ukrainian gun. But there can be any agitators in military units. And, if there are Bandera commissars there, why are there no our agitators? There is nothing new under the Moon, the Bolsheviks made excellent use of the institution of agitators, disintegrating almost completely the tsarist army.
  47. Sergey Vl.
    Sergey Vl. 26 March 2014 06: 54
    0
    In the Censor, the phrase "Russian invaders" flashes everywhere. So at the turn of the 80s-90s of the last century, Russians were "branded" in Estonia. It turns out that Ukraine has "risen" to its level: Ukrainian, Estonian - brothers forever!
    Then something is written only obscene ...
  48. lexx2038
    lexx2038 26 March 2014 07: 25
    0
    Quote: So_o_tozh
    100% of the truth, on this site they impose the idea of ​​a supposed split of Ukraine and demonize the role of the opposition in power. No need to dramatize the situation in this way, although most people hate the Bandera of the Natsik and the trio of clowns. But the war with Russia will unite our people. Now it’s clearly not the time for provocations, it’s better to wait for a complete economic disaster, in case of emergency I have land, hands, legs, feet, head in place, we will not die of hunger.


    The war with Russia will kill your people. Work on the ground, there will be no time to fight, hands, feet, head, head in place will remain.
  49. Auralski
    Auralski 26 March 2014 08: 43
    0
    Quote: novobranets
    An army of rams led by a lion will always defeat an army of lions led by a ram. And Yanukovych is a ram.

    So lions - then in the manual and on the other hand is not observed.