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Soviet wings in the sky of China

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Since many of the most famous samples of Chinese military equipment demonstrate clear Russian influence, many myths also affect the Russian Federation, which is believed to sell unique technologies for nothing and does not fight Chinese industrial espionage. The reality is much more complicated.


The PLA Air Force was created on November 11 1949 of the year after the victory of the Chinese Communist Party in the civil war.

If you touch the origins of the Chinese Air Force, you may find that first aid to China by aircraft, spare parts, specialists and pilots was provided in the 1939 year.

Background

Prior to the beginning of Soviet military aid, there were several small fighter manufacturing plants in China. In Nanchang, for example, there was a Fiat fighter production plant. It is also known about attempts to adjust the assembly of Curtiss Hawk III biplanes from spare parts.

Soviet wings in the sky of China


Curtiss Hawk III Chinese assembly and identification marks of the Kuomintang.

28.10.1937 of the year in Suzhou from the USSR arrived the first group of Soviet fighters I-16.



Aircraft 70-IAP at a field airfield in China.

Shortly after the start of Soviet supplies aviation The Chinese government decided to host the production of Soviet aircraft. On July 9, 1938, the Chinese ambassador to the USSR, Yang Tse, discussed this issue with the Soviet government. On August 11, 1939, a protocol was signed between the USSR and China on the construction of an aircraft assembly plant in the Urumqi region. The protocol provided for assembly at the plant up to 300 I-16s per year from Soviet units, parts and assemblies. The first phase of the plant was completed on September 1, 1940. In Soviet documents, the plant received the name "aircraft factory number 600." However, the Chinese manufactured in Urumqi I-16 (apparently, they produced type 5 and UTI-4) did not get it. In April 1941, the factory had 143 canned I-16s, stored there for 6-8 months. Then there was a decision to return these aircraft to the Union. The return began after the outbreak of war. Machines were assembled, flew around, camouflaged, after which followed the acceptance by military pilots and distillation to Alma-Ata. By September 1, 111 aircraft were surpassed, one I-16 was lost in the mountains. The remaining 30 I-16s and 2 UTI-4s left for Alma-Ata before the end of the year. During 1941-42, plant number 600 was engaged in the manufacture of individual units for the I-16, however, new aircraft were not built here.

There is also evidence that the Chinese have mastered the unlicensed production of "donkeys" based on the Italian-Chinese enterprise SINAW in Nanchang. 9 December 1937, the production there was minimized by order of Mussolini. The machine park of the SINAW plant was able to evacuate to Chongqing in the first half of 1939 by the river paths. The machines were installed in a cave with a length of 80 and a width of 50. The arrangement of the new plant took a year; Work on the preparation of the release of copies of the I-2 fighter began even before the arrival of the machines from the SINAW factory. The Chinese I-16 received the designation "Chan-16 Chia": Ch'an - the ancient Chinese feudal code of honor; "28" - the year since the founding of the Republic of China, 28 from the birth of Christ; "chia" - "first". A different designation can be written as "Chan-1939-I". The drawings, as in Spain, were taken from the details of the "live" fighters of the 28. There were not enough machines, and the humidity in the caves reached 16%. Based on real conditions, they completely changed the technology of pasting the monocoque skin of the fuselage. Product quality control methods remained primitive and time consuming. Metal spars, chassis and wheels - Soviet-made, they were supposed to be dismantled from the defective aircraft. M-100 engines - with faulty I-25 and I-152, Wright-Cyclone SR-16 F-1820 motors were also used for take-off power of 53 l. with. (they stood on the Chinese Hawk-III biplanes). Two-bladed propellers were supplied from the Soviet Union in spare parts kits for I-780 fighters, besides the Hamilton Standard screws could be removed from the Hawk II fighters. Armament - two large-caliber machine guns "Browning". The assembly of the first Chan-16-I fighter began in December 28, the first aircraft was completed only in July 1938. The aircraft received the factory number P 1939. The fighter underwent extensive ground tests before it first left the ground. Flight tests ended successfully. As far as we know, they built just two single Chan-8001-I fighters. With the appearance of the Zero fighters in the sky of China, the already not too great performance of the Chinese pilots on the I-28 fell to almost zero. It did not make sense to make a massively obsolete fighter massive.

Pay attention to the enlarged fairings of the wing armament, which are not typical for the Soviet I-16 models.



Chinese "Chan-28-I".



The Chinese also used the SB-2-M-103 bombers during the Sino-Japanese War.

The first aircraft arrived in China shortly after the launch of the serial production of the SB-2-M-103 at plant No. 125 at the end of 1939. Bombers entered service with squadrons of the Chinese Air Force, whose personnel consisted of Soviet volunteers.



Major Ivan Polbin next to his SB-2.

However, it was at this time that the withdrawal of Soviet volunteers from China began. The USSR continued to support China’s resistance to Japanese aggression, but now preferred to provide purely material assistance. The recall of Soviet volunteers had an extremely negative effect on the combat capability of the Chinese air force. Inexperienced Chinese pilots crashed planes, and inexperienced technicians did not ensure proper maintenance of the equipment. The Chinese put the Security Council on the joke instead of attracting aircraft to participate in hostilities. 27 December 1939. Three SS bombers with crews from among the last Soviet volunteers remaining in China, taking off from the Xinzhang airfield, attacked the Japanese forces in the Kunlun Pass. Bombers escorted the last three combat-capable fighter Gloucester "Gladiator" from the 28-th Squadron. After the recall of the Soviet volunteers from China, all the surviving Security Forces were concentrated in the I and 2 groups of the Chinese Air Force.

From October 1937 to June 1941 in total. China received Soviet aircraft 1250. Soviet military experts advised the Kuomintang commanders, while Soviet pilots on the Soviet aircraft covered the Chinese Kuomintang troops from the air. In addition, on the territory of Xinjiang, it was decided to build a plant, to which components of the aircraft will be delivered from the USSR, which will further move under their own power, or rather, “their summer”. The transfer of Soviet aircraft to China along the route Alma-Ata - Lanzhou took a systematic character and received the code name "Operation Z". Moreover, no later than 1939, the Soviet leadership organized a training center in Urumqi, in which Soviet instructors trained Chinese pilots in piloting the P-5, I-15 and I-16 aircraft.

Chinese pilot on the background of his i-16, June 1941

Significant assistance in their creation and armament was played by the Soviet Union. From the middle of the 1950-ies began the production of Soviet aircraft in Chinese factories. The “big leap”, the break in relations with the USSR and the “cultural revolution” caused serious damage to the Chinese air force. Despite this, the development of their own combat aircraft began in 1960. After the end of the Cold War and the collapse of the USSR, China began to modernize its air force by purchasing Su-30 fighter-bombers from Russia and mastering the licensed production of Su-27 fighters.

The PLA Air Force participated in the Korean War (1950 — 1953), during which the United Air Force was created, consisting of Chinese and North Korean aviation units. During the Vietnam War (1965 — 1973), Chinese aircraft shot down a number of American unmanned reconnaissance aircraft and several planes that invaded the country's airspace. For one reason or another, the PLA Air Force almost did not take part in the Sino-Vietnamese War (1979).

Of course, everything that was transferred to China is impossible to enumerate: we are talking about hundreds of types of various products. But even a small enumeration will show that the cooperation was comprehensive, covering all areas at once and allowing the Chinese industry to be raised to the level required by that time.

All the weapons, the production of which was mastered at that time in the PRC with Soviet assistance, were at a high world level, something could even be considered better and superior to their western counterparts. One can only guess what heights after such a launch would have been the Chinese military industrial complex, if not for the subsequent events: cooling of relations with the USSR, recall of Soviet specialists from the country in 1960, and later - a cultural revolution. This slowed down the development of the production of a number of weapons, the transfer of which to Chinese enterprises was just beginning.

Therefore, for example, the Chinese were able to figure out the full production of the J-7 and H-6 aircraft only in the 1970-e years. During the cultural revolution, most military programs not related to the creation of strategic weapons suffered from a reduction in state resources, political campaigns (including sending intelligentsia to re-education in the countryside), general disorganization at that time of Chinese science and the education system. International isolation also played its part, above all the lack of ties with the USSR, which had become China’s main military adversary.

Still work on copying the Soviet weapons continued on. Why Soviet? The army had to be re-equipped, the existing production base was created with the help of the USSR, many engineers learned Russian and knew Russian, and even after normalizing US-Chinese relations in the early 1970's, the Western countries did not want to transfer technology to the Chinese even after the normalization of the US-China relations.

Already without any Soviet licenses in 1970 – 1980-s, purchasing samples of weapons in third countries and copying them, the Chinese reproduced the famous Soviet 122-mm howitzer "D-30" (type 85), infantry fighting vehicle "BMP-1" "(type 86), anti-tank missile system" Baby "(" HJ-73 "), military transport aircraft" An-12 "(" Y-8 "), portable anti-aircraft missile complex" Strela-2 "(" HN -5 ") and some other weapon systems. Created the first original weapons, for example, an armored personnel carrier "K-63". Soviet prototypes were deeply processed, for example, the Q-19 attack aircraft was created on the basis of the MiG-5, and the J-21 fighter was used with the design of the MiG-8. Nevertheless, China’s military-technical backlog from developed countries only increased.

List of supplied, licensed and copied equipment

Bombers



H-4. Tu-4, obtained from the USSR, were decommissioned in 70x.



H-5 Harbin. A copy of the IL-28, removed from service.

In 50's a significant amount of IL-28 was delivered to China, including torpedo bombers armed with the torpedo PAT-52. After the deterioration of relations between the USSR and the People's Republic of China at the aircraft plant in Harbin, an IL-28 repair was organized, as well as the manufacture of spare parts for them. With 1964, there began the development of mass production of the bomber, which received the designation H-5 (Harbin-5) in the Chinese Air Force. The first production vehicle took to the air in April 1967. In September of the same year, the H-5 variant, the carrier of tactical nuclear weapons, was created. His first test with the dumping of a nuclear bomb took place 27 December 1968. Mass production was also mastered as educational and photo prospecting (HZ-5) modifications H-5. China was the second after the Soviet Union in terms of the number of IL-28 fleet. All versions of the aircraft are in service with the PRC at the present time. China actively exported H-5 to other countries.



H-6 Xian. A copy of the Tu-16, carrier of nuclear weapons.



Fighters



J-2. Obtained from the USSR MiG-15bis, decommissioned.



J-4. Received from the USSR MiG-17F, decommissioned.



J-5 Shenyang. A copy of the MiG-17, removed from service.



J-6 Shenyang. A copy of the MiG-19, removed from service.



J-7 Chengdu. A copy of the MiG-21.



J-8 Shenyang. Interceptor based on J-7. This aircraft has no direct Soviet counterpart, although it was also created using design solutions and technologies used on the MiG-21.



Shenyang J-8F. Analogue Su-15?



Su-15 (original)



J-11 Shenyang. Copy Su-27SK.




J-13. Obtained from Russia Su-30MKK and Su-30MK2.



J-15. Shenyang Copy Su-33.

Training aircraft



CJ-5. Nanchang. A copy of the Yak-18, removed from service.



CJ-6. Nanchang. The main piston training aircraft, based on the Yak-18.



JJ-5. Shenyang. Educational version of J-5.



JJ-6. Shenyang Training version of the J-6.



J-7. Guizhou Educational version of J-7.



JL-8 Nanchang. Combat training jet aircraft, created jointly with Pakistan on the basis of the Czech L-39 Albatros.



HJ-5 Harbin. A copy of the IL-28U.



HYJ-7 Xian. Training bomber based on Y-7 (An-24).

DRLO aircraft

AR-1. Experienced, based on the Tu-4.
KJ-1. Experienced, based on H-4 (Tu-4).



Y-8J (Y-8AEW), KJ-200 Shaanxi. Based on Y-8 (An-12).



KJ-2000 XAC (Nanjing). Based on IL-76.



Special aircraft

HD-5 Harbin. Aircraft EW, converted several H-5 bombers (IL-28).
HZ-5 Harbin. Reconnaissance aircraft, a copy of the IL-28P
H-6 UAV Xian. Aircraft EW, based on the H-6 (Tu-16).



HY-6 Xian. Aircraft tanker, based on H-6.



HDZ-6 Xian. Aircraft electronic intelligence, based on the H-5.
JZ-5 Shenyang. The reconnaissance aircraft, based on the J-5, analogue of the MiG-17Р.
JZ-6 Shenyang. The reconnaissance aircraft, based on the J-6, analogue of the MiG-19Р.
JZ-7 Chengdu. Reconnaissance aircraft, based on J-7.
JZ-8 Shenyang. Reconnaissance aircraft, based on J-8.
JWZ-5. Converted into carriers of the BUAA “Chang Hing-1” UAV, the H-4 (Tu-4) bombers.
Y-8MPA Shaanxi. Anti-submarine aircraft based on the Y-8 (An-12).
Y-8 C3I Shaanxi. Air command post, based on Y-8 (An-12)
Tu-154M / D EIC. Aircraft electronic intelligence, based on the Tu-154.



Helicopters

Mi-4.



Mi-8.



Ka-28.



In conclusion

A farewell ceremony for the last J-6 fighters was held at one of the military airfields. "Veteran" is not just quietly written off in stock. A fighter who faithfully served for more than forty years, in China staged a solemn farewell.

The last batch of fighters was used for training purposes in the Jinan Military District. Now, the J-6 in unassembled form will be transported to one of the warehouses of the PLA Air Force, where it will be reassembled and stored carefully. Part of the machines will replenish the museum collection, because it is really about the legendary fighting machine.

J-6 - a copy of the Soviet MIG-19 - refers to the first generation of supersonic fighter jets produced in the PRC under a Soviet license.



In addition, it is the most massive aircraft, produced for all history Chinese aviation industry. For more than 20 years in China, about 4000 combat vehicles were produced.

In the Soviet Union, the production of MiG-19 was discontinued in 1957 year - they were supplanted by more modern and fast machines. The fate of the Chinese relative of the "nineteenth" was much happier.



A start was made at the end of the 50s. In 1957, the Soviet Union and China signed an agreement on the licensed release of the MiG-19P and the RD-9B engine. The MiG-19P was an all-weather interceptor equipped with a radar and two guns (in China it was called the J-6). A little later, Moscow and Beijing concluded a similar agreement on the MiG-19PM, which was armed with four air-to-air missiles. The People's Republic of China in 1959 was transferred the license for the MiG-19С with gun armament.

The USSR handed over to the Chinese side technical documentation and five dismantled MiG-19P. And in March, 1958, an aircraft factory in Shenyang, began assembling fighters.

(brief information about Shenyang Aviation Plant - Shenyang Aviation Plant was established on the basis of the aircraft factory abandoned by the Japanese. The official opening date of the plant is considered 29 on July 1951 of the year. Subsequently, production of the MiG-XNUMHUTI (JianJiao-15 or JJ-2) was launched at this plant] 2], single-seat fighters were not produced, since by this time the PRC representatives were already negotiating the start of licensed production of more advanced MiG-2. The aircraft were equipped with WP-17 engines (Wopen-5, which were a copy of the Soviet VK-5).

Shenyang factory today.



The first aircraft of the supplied Soviet spare parts flew into the air 17 December 1958 g. And the first flight of J-6 Chinese built took place at the end of September 1959 of the year, to the 10 anniversary of the founding of the PRC.

However, it took another four years to establish the in-line production of these machines. The J-6 in-line assembly in Shenyang did not begin until December 1963.

From the middle of 60's J-6 was the main machine that defended the air borders of China. From 1964 to 1971, the Chinese Air Force pilots of the Chinese Navy on J-6 destroyed 21 intruder airspace aircraft of the PRC. Among them, the Taiwanese amphibious HU-6 "Albatross", shot down over the sea 10 January 1966 g. Not without loss - in the 1967, in a battle with the Taiwanese F-104C "Starfighter" were destroyed two fighter J-6.

The J-6 fighters and the modifications created on its basis formed the basis of the strike power of Chinese aviation right up to the second half of the 1990's. China used fighter aircraft during the armed conflict with Vietnam in 1979, which is often called the "first socialist war."

The aircraft is unique not only a long history, but also widespread throughout the world. The export versions of the J-6 were designated F-6 and FT-6 (training version). China widely supplied these fighters to countries in Asia and Africa. The first buyer was in Pakistan 1965. Export modifications J-6 also entered service with the Air Force of Albania, Bangladesh, Vietnam, North Korea, Kampuchea, Egypt, Iraq (with the mediation of Egypt), Iran, Tanzania, Zambia, Sudan and Somalia.

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  1. Alexander
    Alexander April 20 2013 08: 47
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    Here are * odes! To count them all!
  2. svp67
    svp67 April 20 2013 09: 08
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    Looking at this "flying museum", you more understand why China is so eager to get hold of the Su-35. It will be difficult for China to cope with such "antiques" even with Taiwan ...
    1. Bongo
      Bongo April 20 2013 09: 29
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      And what they have frankly antique?
      All the old cars except J-7 (MiG-21) they wrote off. H-6 (Tu-16) - I am equipped with new engines and avionics and are quite suitable for my purposes.
      In addition, new types of aircraft are being developed in the PRC, compare how many new types of 10 have been in production over the past years, put into production and put into service in our country and in China.
    2. Roll
      Roll April 20 2013 10: 28
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      love That's just China is not really eager to get su 35. He had a dough like a fool of a shag, could have signed a contract with us for the purchase of 200 su 35, so we would give him licenses and production lines in addition. But he doesn’t want to buy at a minimum, if our efficient managers ate him on 24, they dried him.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 20 2013 11: 02
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        Quote: Rolm
        That's just China is not really eager to get su 35. He had a dough like a fool of a shag, could have signed a contract with us for the purchase of 200 su 35, so we would give him licenses and production lines in addition. But he doesn’t want to buy at a minimum, if our efficient managers ate him on 24, they dried him.

        He would have had enough 3-4 copies to start domestic production, not even any 200 machines, since he didn’t want to buy them even in 48 copies, they barely agreed on 24. So, soon we should expect the production and appearance of Su35 clones in China in many hundreds of versions ...
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus April 20 2013 19: 52
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          So, soon we should expect the production and appearance of Su35 clones in China in many hundreds of versions ...

          Not worth it. Why do they need a Su-2020 clone by 35?
  3. Bongo
    Bongo April 20 2013 09: 23
    +6
    Shenyang J-8-II, somewhat superior to the Su-15 in the field of avionics and means of electronic warfare, better suited to conduct close air combat. But there is no data on the presence of an automated target guidance system on it, similar to our ARKP Su-15-98М.
    J-8-II is not a direct analogue of the Su-15, of course, but it follows the same evolutionary path as the Su-9-Su-11-Su-15.
    It was with this plane in early April 2001 in the area of ​​the Hainan Island that the F-EP-3E fighter reconnaissance aircraft collided.
  4. Roll
    Roll April 20 2013 10: 23
    +1
    am And why nothing has been said about Ji 20 and Ji 31. Here they even overtake us already. Our pack fa has been moved for another year. Of course, they still have small problems with the engines, but for now, but by 2020 they will overtake us, our forces are not the same and the possibilities too.
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus April 20 2013 19: 54
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      Quote: Rolm
      And why is nothing said about ji 20 and ji 31

      Because this article is about Soviet wings in the sky of China. There is nothing said about J-10 either.
  5. Roll
    Roll April 20 2013 10: 35
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    belay And in general, time works for China and until 2020 it will most likely not show its teeth, but after 2020 it will occupy Mongolia and Kazakhstan and immediately put us in an interesting position. Here it will place a couple of squadrons from the Engels in Kazakhstan, instantly 19, like if old we will not destroy them, it’s a pity, and he will keep our strategic base at gunpoint.
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco April 20 2013 13: 02
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      Quote: Rolm
      and our strategic base will be kept at gunpoint.

      As Comrade said Sukhov, this is unlikely laughing The Chinese are not suicides, I think so))) Kazakhstan is a member of the CSTO, and Mongolia is in the zone of interests of Russia.
      1. smprofi
        smprofi April 20 2013 13: 48
        +1
        Quote: Sirocco
        and Mongolia is in the zone of interests of Russia

        but nothing that the Mongols recently began to be friends with gringos?


        Mongols as part of KFOR in Europe







        Mongols in Afghanistan
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco April 20 2013 14: 52
          +3
          Quote: smprofi
          but nothing that the Mongols recently began to be friends with gringos?

          Can I ask a question? laughing And nothing that our teachers teach in schools and kindergartens in Mongolia ,? and still require such specialists there. Well, everyone knows that Mongolia is an independent state, because nothing depends on it.
          1. smprofi
            smprofi April 21 2013 15: 56
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            Quote: Sirocco
            And nothing that our teachers teach in schools and kindergartens in Mongolia ,? and still require such specialists there.

            to kindergartens / schools - yes. maybe. because the Soviet education system will still be better.
            but "in the fields" where more and more other "teachers" are shooting. other nationality.



    2. smprofi
      smprofi April 20 2013 13: 05
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      Quote: Rolm
      occupies Mongolia and Kazakhstan

      why such difficulties? But just the Far East and Siberia is not it easier to grab the Hunghuz?
      however, this may not necessarily be by military means.
    3. smprofi
      smprofi April 20 2013 13: 42
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      Quote: Rolm
      and by 2020, he will most likely not show his teeth

      How to say...
      not exactly on the topic of aviation, but the so-called 13th Escort Taskforce, consisting of two destroyers and a support ship, docked in Lisbon on April 15 (before that they were "staying" in Malta)

      is that what the hunhuz forgot in the Atlantic? in the sense of warships
  6. Sirocco
    Sirocco April 20 2013 12: 57
    +1
    I would compare China with the human body. Their hands are good, working, with competent hand-care, not bad copies come out, anything. laughing But, they have a problem with their heads, and the coming decades of a breakthrough in high technology are not expected there. The head as an organ does not work to the fullest. The only thing they have is excellent at pyrotechnics, silk, and copying of everything and everything. The main problem in the aircraft industry in China is the inability to independently manufacture aircraft engines for their aircraft. The so-called 5th generation Chinese aircraft uses Russian 3rd or 4th generation engines. hi
    1. Roll
      Roll April 20 2013 13: 22
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      The engines on the JI 20 and ours and ours are all 10a, and we will not defend Kazakhstan and Mongolia, we won’t start a vigorous war for Kazakhstan, we won’t confront the Chinese ground forces, the only normal option for us is to beg China after 2020 occupation of Kazakhstan, Baikonur and a slightly different territory. We already have experience, at one time we shared with Hitler both Poland and the little things.
      1. smprofi
        smprofi April 20 2013 13: 29
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        Quote: Rolm
        beg China after its occupation of Kazakhstan, Baikonur and a slightly different territory

        and the Hunhuz fled straight and shared.
        than dreaming about Kazakhstan "on the ball" it would be better to restore the URs in Siberia and think about how to cover the Far East.
        1. Roll
          Roll April 20 2013 13: 51
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          love And why do we need cheers in Siberia, China will not trample on Russia, Kazakhstan is the main thing for it, it is oil, grain, and much more, it cuts us off from Asia, but in general Kazakhstan is the key to Russia, If China invades Kazakhstan, Russia will be like silk . Under the vigorous Chinese medium-range missiles aimed at the European part of Russia you can’t show off much. And everything is simple with Kazakhstan, when Nazarbayev leaves, it is not difficult to agree with a new buy-out, organize unrest in Kazakhstan to spit, and introduce your Chinese Peacekeeping Forces. It’s easy, and with Russia, Kazakhstan will have to divide Kazakhstani lands, such is life.
          1. smprofi
            smprofi April 20 2013 14: 18
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            Quote: Rolm
            Why do we need cheers in Siberia

            why were they built under the guise of BAM? out of stupidity?
            and the Hunhuz still feel good in Kazakhstan.
            however, they are in Siberia, and on the Far East "green light" and from the Kremlin, and from local bureaucrats
      2. Containers
        Containers April 22 2013 01: 12
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        Only now, their engines have a resource 10 times lower. And reliability several times. And so - yes, mine. But read disposable.
    2. StolzSS
      StolzSS April 21 2013 05: 06
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      Yes of course. Blow off the noodles from your ears and take an interest in the number of scientific articles in Chinese, the number of Chinese patents, the Yankees publish and patent more current, but if you take away Chinese names from the Yankees and add them to China, then there will already be an advantage over heaven in these matters. After 5 years at such a pace, the Number of scientific papers and patents with Chinese names can greatly increase as they have a young scientific school, and everyone else will have a reduction ....
  7. smprofi
    smprofi April 20 2013 13: 13
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    an article as a review is good. thank.
    only it is not mentioned that during the withdrawal from Kwantun in 1955, the technique was transferred to "our younger brothers" (then it still looked like that). Moreover, the Chinese almost immediately shot a couple of MiGs (it seems, MiG-15). the narrow-eyed immediately raised a cry about poor technique. the investigation revealed that the pilots simply could not cope with the overloads. our then asked about the ration of the pilots. "A bowl of rice". "And the meat? And the chocolate?"
    and there were still moments when the Hunhuz simply appropriated weapons transports from the Soviet Union to Vietnam during the Gringo War. transit went through China.
  8. Odysseus
    Odysseus April 20 2013 19: 57
    +3
    A good review article. Only the J-8 is out of place. It's still a Chinese development.
    1. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan April 21 2013 09: 44
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      And the captions to some photos are simply entered into a stupor ...
      1. Containers
        Containers April 22 2013 01: 13
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        Into a stupor introduces that somewhere the signature is OVER the photo, and somewhere UNDER the photo. The main thing is not to miss the moment of such a transformation =)
  9. Canep
    Canep April 20 2013 20: 47
    +1
    It remains for the Chinese to give the Tu-160 and Tu-95, although the latter, due to antiquity, is unlikely to interest them. I believe that the fact that they are copying our equipment is not bad or bad, the only bad thing is that they do not finance the development of these (or new) aircraft.
  10. Fitter65
    Fitter65 April 21 2013 02: 25
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    Sparks based on the MiG-17 and MiG-19 are also purely Chinese development.
  11. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk April 21 2013 07: 29
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    You can’t sell airplanes to China, as it has been sharpening its teeth on our lands for a long time, and it’ll just sop technology.
  12. Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan April 21 2013 09: 43
    +1
    Good review. But the captions to some photos are simply entered into a stupor ...
  13. 77bor1973
    77bor1973 April 21 2013 11: 41
    +2
    Tu-4s flew until the 90s, thereby falling into the Guinness Book of Records as the oldest bomber.
  14. Corsair
    Corsair April 21 2013 16: 10
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    Major Ivan Polbin next to his SB-2.
    The author of the famous "turntables"? Who has information, please share.
  15. Dmitriy292
    Dmitriy292 April 22 2013 04: 59
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    It seems to be so bad, but no, we have to do worse. The authorities do not cease to amaze. This site just recently came across: http://link.ac/jrY10, where information about each of us has been publicly posted. I don’t know why to do this, but it personally scares me. Nevertheless, I somehow managed to delete my data, though I had to register, but no one could "dig up" anything on me.