Mistral - Civilian Corps

French Defense Minister Jean Yves Le Drian, speaking at 19 March 2014, at the conference of aerospace and defense business circles organized under the auspices of the French newspaper Les Echos, said France is considering two universal Mistral amphibious ships under construction for Russia as unarmed civilian ships , and it is too early to say that the supply contract may be canceled due to the crisis in Ukraine. About this newspaper "DefenseNews".

“We supply civilian corps,” said Le Drian at the conference, “This is a reality. Then the customer can arm these two ships. We have to place an order that is not armed within the framework of the signed contract.”

The Vladivostok helicopter landing ship dock, which is at the stage of factory running tests, is the lead ship of two Mistral-type ships ordered in France for the Russian Navy under the 2011 contract. Saint-Nazaire, 20.03.2014. Out-of-construction and equipment installation is continuing on the ship - compared to the well-known 5 March images, when Vladivostok made its first trip to the sea for testing, satellite antennas were added to the island superstructure (c) Christian Plagué / www.shipspotting.com

The termination of the contract for the supply of two Mistral-type ships will be a “last resort” that can be taken only if the “third tier of sanctions” against Moscow is adopted, said Le Drian.

“The heads of government and states [EC] should decide on three levels of measures [sanctions],” he said. "If there are industrial measures, they will be at the third level."

“Now we are at the first level. If there are industrial measures, they will be at the third level. The second level is military [sanctions],” Le Drian said. “We’ll see how the situation develops, but [third level and contract cancellation] - this is an extreme measure. "

“The delivery of the first ship will take place in October, so the question of suspending the delivery will be decided in October,” added Le Drian.

Earlier, 18 in March, the trade unions of STX France in Saint-Nazaire, on which both Mistral-type ships for Russia are built, warned the French government about breaking the contract for these ships, pointing out the negative consequences such a measure could have on employment. The newspaper "Les Echos" in this regard reports that this contract with Russia provides about 1000 jobs in France, including about 600 - in Saint-Nazaire.

Comments

[mamont5]

Well, well, try it. Maybe let's say thanks.

[domokl]

Quote: mamont5

Maybe let's say thanks.

And they need it? Our thanks? Such penalties are provided for there, that wow ... We will have highways ... The commander of the TF has such a headache with these ... shorter courts ... They are for no reason. .. A purely friendly gesture ... and now we think ... build moorings ...

[Tersky]

Quote: domokl

.and now we think ... build moorings ...

Alexander, ! If you build in Sevastopol, in the Black Sea region there are still many events ahead ...

[avg]

Quote: Tersky

Alexander, ! If you build in Sevastopol, in the Black Sea region there are still many events ahead ...

Shipyard "Zaliv" Kerch. One of the largest shipyards in Eastern Europe.
The dry dock of the plant (360 x 60 x 13,2 m) is served by two gantry cranes with a lifting capacity of 320 tons each and five gantry cranes with a lifting capacity of 80 tons each. Crane equipment allows the formation of hulls of large sections and blocks weighing up to 600 tons.
The dry dock can be divided into two parts, which allows for the simultaneous repair and construction of several ships at the same time. Another technological complex has two horizontal berths of 400 m in length with the following cranes: two for 80 tons each, three for 32 tons each and four for 16 tons each. Both lines have a common launching device — a transverse slipway, which enables launching of vessels weighing up to 2500 tons .
Product Examples: Nuclear-powered icebreaking lighter-container carrier "Sevmorput" Length 228,8 m, Width 32,2 m; Board height 18,3 m; Deadweight 33780 t.
Oil tanker "Crimea" Length 277,1 m; Width 45 m; Board height 25,4 m; Capacity (net) 202500 m3
Famous TFR project 1135

[crazyrom]

Hehehe Frenchmen get out as they can. Sanctions are sanctions and money is a pity.

[Rus2012]

Quote: Tersky

The Black Sea region still has many events ahead ...

... yes it seems not only there.
"Tectonic shifts of global transformation" are coming and still coming, the results of which will greatly transform the world and surprise ...
As M. Gorky said, he is Peshkov - "Let the storm break out stronger!"
We are ready for it, the "Russian spirit" woke up !!!

[alex-s]

We will have Mistral ... The commander of the TF has such a blast with these ... shorter ships ... They are for nobody and for nothing ...

Then you need to try to raise the level of sanctions to the third and the problem is solved! We have money, France has Mistrals!

[ikken]

Come on, but ours will get their hands on the organization of supply, the construction of infrastructure, identify weaknesses that need to be strengthened, they will gain, in general, experience.
And then, for our normal UDK or even aircraft carriers, they will be able to build moorings and infrastructure much faster and better.
In general, ships come and go, but the infrastructure remains. The Mistrals will leave, others will come, for which everything will be ready.

[twviewer]

Now you can translate one to the Black Sea Fleet there, it seems to me out of place :)

[Sakmagon]

"We supply civilian corps," Le Drian said at the conference. "This is reality."

... after which we will put civilian harvesters on them. This is also a reality ...

[Yun Klob]

"Thank you" Serdyukov must say. Everything has been integrated,.

[svetlomor]

"We supply civilian corps," Le Drian said.

What can’t you say if only to scrap this scrap.

[mitya24]

Civilian, of course, but what else? It is necessary for this civility to rebuild a couple of pools on the deck and open the premises for the casino on the lower deck. Following this logic, "Charles de Gaulle" without aircraft is a pleasure yacht.

[inkass_98]

Casinos, an entertainment center - this is for the Chinese, they can do it from warships.

[Coffee_time]

Oh, how, civilians, if only to finish and sell. Afternoon souls are forfeited.

[donavi49]

STX Corporation is its current owner, a friend of Sechin. STX France in question closing. In the event of a contract break, STX France must pay 70% contract amounts, and STX Corporation works extensively with the citizen, and we can transfer orders to China as well. Therefore, there, not only the French want to grab their money, but the Koreans are pressing hard.

[Afinogen]

Why do we need these floating suitcases.

[BABA SHURA]

remake into a car ferry between Crimea and Krai Krai

[Siberian19]

everything will be awesome! they will make noise for showing off to Uncle Sam and calm down!

[Starover_Z]

Yeah, these are civilian vessels! And for that kind of money - 600 million euros each ?!
This is how much and what could be built with us, plus the load of jobs.
This is Serdyukov’s legacy, this is the cut !!!
Yes, our modern "Bendery" still have to learn and learn!

[konvalval]

Well? Bench Press A good mine with a bad game. And where are the sanctions?

[Chifka]

As in the famous film: an ordinary civilian ore ship turns with a flick of the arm .. turns ... Almost anecdote: in response to Chinese aggression, a peaceful Russian combine harvester took off in the air, fired rockets at Chinese positions and flew away in an unknown direction.

[polite people]

Well, let them try. Their democrats will raise their skewers. It will soon become clear that only the NATO-certified scented toilet paper is used in the Mistral lathes and that without these ships they will not be able to be used in any way.
What other pitfalls will emerge? and in general, will the Mistrals appear in the Russian Navy?

[mountain]

The more I hear about dishes from France, the greater the rejection of these products. If they can be called that at all.

[Barsik]

Product No. 2 but with a darn repair

[Grenz]

So they have to pay as for two civilian steamships. And for the rest of the money we will build warships at our shipyards. And more!

[HollyGremlin]

1. Sanctions against officials who are already unable to keep accounts abroad.
2. Sanctions on the supply of weapons, but not on the one they supply.
What's next?
It is possible to ban trade with Russia on lunar soil or to ban joint maneuvers of archers.

[ikken]

A lot of things you can:
- to exclude garter from the knightly order, and not invite to events to mark the anniversary of the end of the Hundred Years War
- ban the export of fishing bait and spinners
- Introduce a moratorium on the use of Russian words in books on ornithology.
etc.
S - Sanctions!

[region46]

when they started singing, so as not to fall on grandmas

[GP]

Who would doubt that. For money, they’ll call it not so: reconstruction of a rowing boat according to the sketches of ancient sailors will also show archeological excavations as proof or something like that.

[Stalevar]

In as it turns out !!! The landing helicopter carrier is a civilian ship))). Well, a nuclear submarine with intercontinental ballistic missiles is a cruise ship for extreme sportsmen)). Large anti-submarine ship - pleasure yacht))). Well, the French, damn it, well done)). Pertosyan is resting)).

[niki233]

took off the tongue

[REDBLUE]

Let us already terminate the contract with us. We are just waiting for this. Firstly, for this money, we will build 4 such ships on our own. Secondly, our citizens will be busy on construction, and this is an increase in jobs. And thirdly, we will stand the fifth for penalties.

[raven75]

These are helicopter carriers and for Russia, at this stage, it is easier and cheaper to buy them. Of course, it is not entirely correct, or rather, completely wrong, to give money to strangers, instead of developing our own production. But so far, there seems to be no other way. Russia has not yet departed from the consequences of humpback Yeltsinism and is investing in the production of what you cannot buy new submarines anywhere.

[Monk]

The second level is military [sanctions], "Le Drian said." We will see how the situation develops, but [the third level and the cancellation of the contract] is a last resort. "

Broiler cocks, they don’t understand at all what they are going to compete with whom ???

[Rash]

Not a damn thing - two civilian barges and for $ 1.2 lard?

[avt]

Quote: grenz

So they have to pay as for two civilian steamships.

Yeah, the campaign is what our admirals so voluptuously wanted - we won’t get the BIUS.

Quote: svetlomor

What can’t you say if only to scrap this scrap.

Our large landing ships from the times of the USSR are turning into scrap metal from using them to the maximum. And what is real in return? Well, if without a traditional bazaar about cutting? And even if it’s about sawing - how much on the great martyr "Ivan Grena" they sawed quite "patriotically" and where is the ship? Here in the ratio of money spent per ton of displacement? Something tells me - during the construction, it was not sour and the end is not yet in sight, this is on a ship of 4 thousand tons. When will it enter service? Here, "Mistral", whether this or that, but a year has passed and the first one is already on the move. So there is no need to turn up your nose - take what you have, and let the stool roll back, you will take horseradish off a plate of money from francs, but new ones are better let the finals do it - it will be quick and efficient, and it will be easier to look after the building.

[bulvas]

Well done!
And the customer - who, civil shipping?

[Wiruz]

I read somewhere about the consequences for France in case of termination of the contract - the return of the full amount already paid by Russia, the payment of a forfeit in the amount of about 80% of the contract amount, plus, all documentation for Mistrals transferred to Russia is non-refundable, that is, Russian shipyards can build their UDCs are exactly like the Mistral, but they will already be considered the Russian project. France, do you need it?

[Stalevar]

And the stern parts of the ships will have to return))). They were built on Sevmash!

[erased]

Our brakes. Died so dead! Once said wow! - all go nah! Let them build themselves! What kind of bullying is this - do we want, do we want not? In the sandbox, the kids scare each other so much, but here are the states! Canada overboard with the plane, you can send France in the same direction.

[Rurikovich]

So the point was mince! Gay European clowns singing along with America squeal about sanctions, but they know how to count money. That is why they declare the Mistrals as civilian courts, so as not to terminate contracts, the breaks of which will be tantamount to an economic shot in the temple to oneself. Hypocritical, but business-oriented. A kind of savage grin of capitalism - politically clutching the throat, economically kissing

[Aleksandr222]

Get out.

[muginov2015]

Now they’ve screwed up, political prostitutes

[SS68SS]

Money rules the world ..... This is a fact.

[Monster_Fat]

In fact, the BIUS, for the sake of which, according to the "official opinion", the purchase of this junk was started, is a product of the very, that neither is, military purpose. That is, it turns out, according to the French assertion that they "build only civilian corps," the BIUS is original and should not have been installed on ships? It turns out that the contract did not initially envisage CIUS for delivery, but only navigation equipment for civil purposes was put? So we were lied to all this time? It turns out that this contract is really either a "scandalous bribe" to the French for helping to clear the "0808", or a sickly "drank" the dough, or (which is more likely) - both together.

[donavi49]

Here is a fresh photo, all the radars are already mounted, and they are the most military-purpose. And even Vampir NG set!

[Dimkin]

Gentlemen from gayEurope, how have you lured, but introduce your sanctions at least 3 at least 10 levels, we do not care !!! A hedgehog bare ass does not scare, you already understand. And we do not need these tin cans, we will only be glad if you pick them up for yourself and pay us the forfeit. It was we who saved your enterprises from ruin, and not you, our fleet. Yes, we do not have such ships as part of the Navy, but this does not mean that our enterprises will not be able to build them!

[lexx2038]

Yes, even if the Americans will beat their heads against the wall, they won’t be able to stop trading in Europe, everything is so intertwined, we aren’t Liechtenstein anyway, like the Abamka was offended by Russia, and you Europeans tighten the straps, bargain here, yeah! They will nod, smile at the Americans, such as the Russians are bad, but the market is a market, sorry

[SHOCK.]

“The French will have to say thank you if they refuse the Mistral contract.” We can build such “cans” ourselves, our projects of ships of this class are much better and more armed ”, the former commander of the Black Sea Fleet, and now State Duma deputy Admiral Vladimir Komoedov, told RAI News.

Let them put these dishes in one place along with a stool.

[Burmistr]

Really our guys can’t get a contract break on these Mistrals? It is already evident that tin cans for crazy money. There will still need to bring them to mind more than one year.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Burmeister

Really our guys can’t get a contract break on these Mistrals?

This is just a stupid chatter by some French officials. The construction is under the contract (even a little ahead of schedule), so there is no reason to break the contract. Hollande, most likely, did not stay in power for long, if Le Pen came to power in France, the question of withdrawing from the European Union could be raised. Ahead, it seems, very exciting world-wide events are waiting for us.

[Allegedly]

Quote: Sh.O.K.

Let them put these dishes in one place along with a stool.

Together with the two Mistrals, their technology is transferred. And it is precisely in the manufacture of Mistral that p * ndo spare parts and accessories are not needed. What can not be said about their approximate analogues of other countries, as is the case with Spain or South Korea. If the paddlers decide to jump off the train, then a big penalty is provided. In Russia, you can also carry out your own development of these technologies, but they will cost as much as everything that is done in Russia, that is, 3, or even 30 times more. And ships of this class are needed as air. These are the latest floating hospitals, or the floating headquarters of the General Staff or even the GRU. Be strong and no one will touch.

Good must be with fists.
Good must be harsh
so that wool flew in shreds
from all who climb for good.
Good is not pity and not weakness.
Good crush locks of shackles.
Good is not slush or holiness,
not absolution.
Being kind is not always convenient,
accept not just the conclusion that
that fractionally fractional, good-good
knew how to work a machine gun,
what's the point of the story in the end
in good action one -
knock calmly
good not surrendered to good!

[serega.fedotov]

For such grandmothers, I’ll keep a secret about how to turn the Mistrals into civilian vessels, for example: missiles will be called fast mail, automatic machines with dummies, hangars-storage rooms for meat grinders

[Goldmitro]

<<< the contract for their supply ("Mistrals") may be canceled due to the crisis in Ukraine. >>>
Maybe, finally, now it will reach our supporters of the acquisition of Mistrals, Iveks, Embrayers, and other foreign technology and equipment (well, the whole world is buying, cooperation, you understand) that Russia is not the whole world, that Russia, practically, alone and EXACTLY against it by the whole Western world, with whom our "importers" would like to technologically cooperate, military operations are being conducted on all fronts: political, economic, technological, and in these conditions it is NAIVELY expect that the West will help Russia develop, will sell to Russia its latest technologies, military equipment and equipment, and it hardly makes sense to buy an OLD. So Russia is simply doomed to have powerful Armed Forces, all weapons corresponding to the modern level, to be made at DOMESTIC enterprises (and the latest Western technologies and equipment to be obtained with the help of special services, as was the case in the USSR)! It is high time to understand this and develop your defense industry complex, which will become that link in industrial development, for which you can pull the whole chain!

[marder4]

Yes, let it be canceled - given the forfeit that they pay, we will buy three, or even four, from South Korea or Spain

[Mareman Vasilich]

Quote: avg

Famous TFR project 1135

Yes, only for this project this plant needs a golden monument. Project 1135 for decades had no equal in the world in its class, moreover, could cope with the tasks for ships of a higher rank. Miracle ship. The genius of engineering. I served on it, with us all officers respected these TFRs.

[darksoul]

Reservations have already gone, no one wants to lose money. Well, right, deliver without weapons and do not know why. We don’t carry bagels

You still answer us for Serbs

[Allegedly]

Serbs, of course, a pity. Humanly sorry. But it was they who unleashed the First World War, and as its logical continuation, the Second World War happened. Not a single small nationality has yet understood that when you are the size of a microbe and throw a stone into the water, then your people’s circles from the water can, if not be destroyed, put on the verge of destruction. If you are small and weak, then die your ambition and arrogance. How many times did they get involved in something that was not their size, and then when they needed to answer for their actions, did they start plaintively calling Russia? Serbian bros, Bulgarian bros ... still to continue?

It was they who were the first of the entire bloc of socialist countries to spit in the direction of the USSR, and taught the Poles and Czechs, Hungarians and Slovaks this, the score can be continued for a long time.

They were "that very first * affectionate tela *" that sucked two queens, that is, the USSR and amers (and others like them). Otherwise, it is simply impossible to explain more than the high standard of living of the then Yugoslavia.

They turned off their air defense system and did not even try to resist. This is how it was necessary to be down, so as Milosevic to go to The Hague and hope for a fair and unbiased court. Who are the judges? (c) Griboedov.

And, the coolest thing is that not one Albanian, Kosovo (although it is the same thing, the same nationality) international criminal, who was almost a wagon with a cart, was not convicted. And former Serb leaders, almost all died in prison under mysterious circumstances. And among them there were many people more worthy than Milosevic.

Once a wise ruler once said that Russians cannot be used.оby better Serbs than the Serbs themselves.

[ikken]

Here is the proof of civilianity, it is clearly visible that the ship is non-combat (where did you see this on combat?):
dining room
dentist
infirmary

[Retx]

Well, yes, everything should be in rust and shit, then this is a real warship. You at least read what it can be used for, and then resent. These ships are a good springboard for EMERCOM operations in remote regions of the world.

[A1L9E4K9S]

Say what you like, even scolding, but the paddlers will not miss their profit in spite of any orders from Washington. They don’t refuse such money, and they don’t want to quarrel with trade unions, it will be more expensive for themselves, they will torture them with strikes. They will apply the third level of sanctions to Russia they will call these monsters differently. I wonder, while they crawl into the Pacific Ocean, how much time will they become outdated in the sense of technology?

[nika407]

They hoped that the British would also make a sacrifice, and they only shouted, condemned, etc.

[A1L9E4K9S]

Quote: Sh.O.K.

Let them put these dishes in one place along with a stool.

We have never had such a defense minister in Russia in the entire history of the existence of the armed forces. All this bacchanalia began when a not clever assistant to the village machine operator began the collapse of the USSR on behalf of the CIA. Loans taken from the west did not fall into the treasury, but into the pocket of the first president of the USSR, they don’t open their funds for salaries, or is it for memoirs about the collapse of the USSR.

[vasyliy1]

They will talk, talk and deliver as promised!

[ed65b]

Ah yes the Gauls got out !!! Well done.

[dmitreach]

This is a word about the beloved by many Juan Carlos I ... Gishpan people would have climbed a cactus long ago, by order. Would cry ... But not licked. Until the Elder is stingy. The French, although they are trying to pretend to be a rag, will not refuse the deal. Uncle Syoma has no methods against the French. Only if you reimburse twice the value of the transaction + the cost of sanctions, with your green candy wrappers. And as Aunt Sarah said with Deribasovskaya: I will now feel a little funny. For it is money ... Taki Uncle Syoma already counted everything, in advance. Oh, come on! When was it, what would Syoma spend an extra pittance? Would he rather be visited by Grandfather Kandratiy or Rabinovich, with an import, than he will give to loans not in growth? And yet the same french uniforms - counted. And I will tell you more: Uncle Syoma knows that the French know and that the French know that Uncle Syoma knows. And everyone is silent. For money.

Well, a little about the Koreans with their Dokdo (Dokdo or whatever it is, let the philologists understand) Whose shipyard is this? (specifically Chantier de l'Atlantic) Where is STX Europe and Who is DCNS's General Contractor? Where is Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) and "whose will they be?"

[dmitreach]

To those who do not understand. Pelvis - French-Korean. (+ Another wagon of countries, if you go into details)

[HMR333]

the fact that they will not refuse is a fact! and our shipbuilders should have already prepared and calculated how and what kind of weapons to put into it so that it doesn’t work out how they will fit in only then they will start to move!

[shades]

Tank without a gun - a peaceful tractor!

[Clueless]

The main thing is that one of the mistrals is called "Sevastopol" :)

[Voenruk]

A huge awkward dish. Why overpay for scrap if this is an ordinary civilian ship. In the agreement, the equipment also appears, and technology) So, if ours does not want to take it, they may not take it. What they signed up to, let everything be done and delivered.

[Signaller]

Everything is fine. Frightened, hurt. They will think next time. But one thing can be said about ships. Although they seem to be - as they are not needed - this is not a fact. But the technology of their construction transferred to us is now being used at full speed. Sectional assembly and construction. when a section with all the attributes leaves the factory. wiring. pipelines, mechanisms. Then it is mounted with the neighboring ones, and the descent goes on. At any plant that stands by the sea, you can rivet sections. Not like before. The whole ship stood on a slipway and it was built like a house of bricks. 21st century however.

[kelevra]

Frogs turned on the back! We realized that Russia would heat them up by 1,2 billion euros and deprive their shipyards of their long-awaited work. That means, first, talking and then thinking!

[bvi1965]

Prostitutes, damn it. And you want and it pricks and my mother does not order ...

[Russian102RUS]

Let them take their Mistrals, along with the sanctions, and the grandmothers will return, the ships probably are also made of plastic, like the Peugeot and Citroen!
For these grandmas it’s better to buy from China a dozen or so Mysteries, and there will still be helicopters!

[Mainbeam]

Much has been written about the fact that these ships are not suitable for the Russian Federation, because they are not designed for navigation in ice. In addition, their cost is several times higher than the construction of domestic ships. And one could easily vote for the introduction of sanctions.

BUT!!!

Vladimir Putin agreed to deploy a military base in Argentina

Here is the answer to why Mistral-class ships are needed

[KAPITANUS]

If Russia closes all its borders, it will survive. But Europe will die, it’s a fact.

[sv68]

stop scaring us - cancel the postal order and pay the penalty

[Ev1l_4eLL]

have they really backed down?

[voliador]

They don’t have money for fines, but they will have to pay a lot.

[komel]

Call it a pot, just don’t put it in the oven. French know-how suits Russia; two universal landing ships will not be superfluous. The Mistral agreement must be implemented by France, in addition to money and jobs, it will lose the market.

[sanitar80]

Regarding the Mistrals, my opinion is absolutely correct and a timely decision made by the Moscow Region. You had to buy it, period. It’s a pity that you can’t buy (or didn’t sell pl212, destroyers and corvettes from Western countries, even South Korean and Japanese ones). As for the French, I’m glad that the guys are spinning like crazy just to finish the contract. With sanctions against Russia, this is still very serious (no matter what they shout on the forum), they can screw with ships and the matter may not come to fines. In what court can we judge these fines? In the West, they will send us to hell and that’s it, or they will drag out the matter ad infinitum. They don't recognize ours. But I think that the French have no choice. They need to make Mistrals for us.
Firstly 700 million. it was spent on the construction of 2 “underbuildings” (salary for workers, cost of metal, electricity, etc.). The greatest profit (a profit of half a billion dollars) will be received only with the entry of these ships into the Russian fleet.
Secondly (if the Mistrals fall under sanctions), in order to put them up for sale, to make a profit, or so as not to operate at a loss, you will have to complete the construction of the second stern, install the CIUS, and weapons at your own expense. Then look for a buyer who:
1) there is so much money for purchase and maintenance
2) home base, piers for ships that are far from small
3) a large crowd of naval aviation flight personnel
4) helicopters with weight-dimensional characteristics equal to or less than our Ka
5) Military doctrine implying the use of such ships
Apart from Russia and the People's Republic of China, no one fits this list (the USA, they didn't fall for money). In the current situation, for the West there is no difference between Russia and China, but they really want money. Despite the fact that if France shows us a fig, I think we will then strain the Koreans, the shipyard belongs to their company, and they are closer, it is much more convenient for France to bend.