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Fighting gopak - power in dance

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Whenever it comes to martial art, which uses certain elements of dance in its arsenal, or methods of using martial techniques in dance, many immediately capoeira comes to mind. But not everyone knows that this example is not the only one. For example, there is still such a martial art, which is called martial gopak. Despite the fact that he is very often compared to capoeira, in reality, in his philosophy, he is much closer to traditional kung fu.

Martial art is called a martial gopak, which combines throwing and percussion techniques with the plasticity of Ukrainian folk dance Hopak. For this art is characterized by striking and kicking, and hands, as well as the use of grips and blocks. As a modern national martial art and military philosophy, the gopak has been developing for over two decades. At present, up to seven thousand people are engaged in the schools of military hopak all over Ukraine.

It should be noted that the system of education of soldiers on our land has always existed. Its founders were the indigenous population - sedentary farmers who were forced to defend themselves and their territories, and nomads who were constantly moving around the country.

Information about the military national tradition has been preserved only since the existence of Kievan Rus. Its legislators were the Magi, who were engaged in the upbringing of princes, who, in turn, obeyed the warriors. The preparation of warriors began at the age of three years, and of the princes even before birth (the magicians whispered certain prayers over their mothers). When the boy was three years old, he was taken from his mother, and began a systematic training. When the child was thirteen years old, he underwent a rite of initiation into warriors (the so-called rite of imprisonment on a horse). Only after that the new warrior had the right to go to battle and seek fame. And if a warrior died in battle, it was generally considered the greatest honor.

After the baptism of Russia, with the advent of Christianity, everything changed dramatically. Military honor began to take a completely different way. According to the new religion, the enemy had to be met with humility. That is why, some researchers say, when the Mongols came to the Russian lands, the warriors could not give them a fitting rebuff and protect their native land.

New legislators destroyed representatives of the old system, but some managed to survive. Most of the wise men went under the guise of the elders to the people, thus transferring their knowledge to people. Therefore, even despite the fact that the system of education of soldiers no longer had a single center, its tradition has been preserved. The elders of the Magi lived in almost every village. And most parents gave them their sons for education, offering honey, grain and cattle as payment.

In addition, a reliable stronghold of the national military education system was located on the Sich and was supported by Cossack character. When the Sich was crushed, they also went to the people, having encoded their knowledge in a dance - the gopak, the lasso, the blizzard, the Cossack girl.

If we talk about the modern attitude to the martial gopak, now there are several basic views on this martial art.

According to the first, the combat gopak is the original Ukrainian combat system, which appeared in the Zaporizhzhya Sich, where there were special schools in which this type of martial art was taught along with learning to play musical instruments and literacy.

The second look at the military gopak has pronounced nationalistic shades and says that the roots of the military hopak go either to the Aryans, or to the ancient Ukram. There is a lot of patriotism in this and there is practically no sport.

And, finally, the third view suggests that the combat gopak is a modern compilation of certain elements of martial arts and elements of Ukrainian folklore and hopak. It should be noted that the philosophy of the fighting hopak itself is very similar to the philosophy of martial arts of the East, but with the addition of national shades.

In the modern world, representatives of the school of military hopak are very often accused of the fact that the military education system, which they support, has no solid basis.

There is some truth in this, because right up to the 1985 year of the military hopak as a Ukrainian type of struggle, his system clearly did not exist. And only thanks to Lvov Vladimir Pilate, she appeared.

There is information that the man lived in the East for many years, and returned to Ukraine, already being a karate master. Pilate wanted to open his school of martial arts, but he was recommended to return home and do it here. And so the first experimental school appeared in 1985 in Lviv.

Despite the fact that most people consider the war gopak as Old Russian martial art, in reality it is a modern martial art that includes some elements of Ukrainian folklore. The founder of the school, V.Pilat, calls the war gopak the author's style, which combines the various elements of oriental martial arts, folklore and dance elements. Mandatory part of all fights is musical accompaniment.

The fighting gopak has seven levels of skill, of which three are student's (Sokol, Zhovtyak, Master), three workshops (Character, Kozak, Magus) and one intermediate (Jura). Each step has its own coat of arms.

Each combat duel is conducted under a certain musical accompaniment, which, strictly speaking, sets the overall emotional tone. Those who have masterful degrees have the right to use in a dance duel. weapon (from sickle to two-handed sword). And if we take into account that such fights, as a rule, are held in Ukrainian national Cossack costumes, then it is obvious that the spectacle turns out to be simply thrilling.

There are several types of combat hopak, you can go a sparring or act in single exercises. Solo performances are more like dancing to music, in which the main focus is on the demonstration of combat techniques. Sparring is divided into several types: light, which only implies strikes, and more risky, which implies the conduct of the fight in full force.

Currently, the largest centers of military hopak are both in Kiev and in Chernivtsi, Ternopil and Lviv. A well-represented combat gopak in the Dnipropetrovsk region. In the Ukrainian capital, the development of the combat hopak began in the middle of the 90s of the last century. In 1997, the School of Combat Gopak was opened on the basis of the T. Shevchenko Kyiv National University, which was actively supported by students. In the winter of 2001, the first All-Ukrainian educational and educational seminar on Combat Gopak was held in Kiev.

Gradually, the interest of the younger generation in the combat gopak began to grow. And already in 2002, a branch was opened for the youngest students. In 2004, the combat gopak was introduced into the curriculum of the Ukraine University in Kiev. In addition, in the same year, the Gopak Art Show Art Center was organized, which operates on the basis of the Kiev Federation of Fighting Gopak, and which organizes demonstration performances and show programs not only in Ukraine, but also abroad.

Materials used:
http://www.epochtimes.ru/content/view/29671/13/
http://www.vitayu.com.ua/index.php?id=427
http://duhvoina.ru/content/254-Боевой-гопак.html
http://bhbohun.at.ua/
http://forum.hardgainer.ru/index.php?showtopic=1617
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  1. Nagaibak
    Nagaibak 26 March 2014 08: 06
    +38
    Oh, this battle hopak ...))) The battle tango or the battle waltz is much cooler.)))
    1. Letun
      Letun 26 March 2014 08: 47
      +32
      Quote: Nagaibak
      Oh, this battle hopak ...))) The battle tango or the battle waltz is much cooler.)))

      Yeah, and Borya Moiseyev - the standard of combat, dance commandos lol
      Not that the Ukrainians founded Troy, I already heard, but the fact that hopak is close to kung fu in philosophy ... This is strong! Only for this article is plus laughing
    2. Master_Lviv
      Master_Lviv 26 March 2014 09: 53
      +21
      The combat hopak looks like that only at demonstrations, and in real combat it immediately turns into a mixture of boxing with elements of free-style wrestling and rare kicks.

      Dance in battle is completely useless!
      1. xan
        xan 26 March 2014 15: 22
        +8
        Quote: Master_Lviv
        The combat hopak looks like that only at demonstrations, and in real combat it immediately turns into a mixture of boxing with elements of free-style wrestling and rare kicks.

        So, in my opinion, Emelianenko said somewhere that the most useful in fights without rules are boxing and sambo skills, everything else is not serious. Karate, kung fu and other rubbish is resting. Ju-do, as I understood it, only feisty and helped, and even then in terms of philosophy, not fights.
      2. dustycat
        dustycat 26 March 2014 17: 29
        +7
        Quote: Master_Lviv
        Dance in battle is completely useless!

        Tell this to the ballerina that in Khimki in 1987 showed the bully fouet with the arrival in the jaw.
        The girl was nearly imprisoned for inflicting particularly serious ones - with a pearl of the base of the skull and a hematoma of the brain.
        Fortunately for the girl, the victim, and before the incident, apparently had only one cerebellum working for both hemispheres - after six months of resuscitation, he recovered with taste hallucinations and a slight stutter. I could even walk myself.
      3. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 27 March 2014 01: 50
        +4
        I read it once from Pan Sapkowski. in his "The Witcher". So there one dwarf spoke about this - "the swordsman immediately shit, as the enemy sees the army." In a tight formation, but you won't be able to twist different fute and triple sheepskin coats. And if the system is scattered, then vaapche khan! Exotic, in short ...
    3. avt
      avt 26 March 2014 09: 55
      +9
      Quote: Nagaibak
      Battle tango or battle waltz is much cooler

      Chinese Taijiquan - the dances are the same, but without music, practically "shadow boxing" and nothing, no one laughs, but on the contrary - they admire the "martial art". At the same time, they do not say that it is "martial art" in the same China it came along with religion from the north of India, where did it come from there, and as in the presence of super warriors, practically flying in the sky, some kind of “Mughals” {well, the Mongols are just shy to pronounce it completely} - while everyone is silent. you can of course say - the yoke of ponimash, but what is interesting is that in the dances of those times of the peoples of the USSR there were ANYWHERE of such sweeping movements, but practically with acrobatic techniques, of course, apart from Caucasian dances, there were no such sweeping movements.
      Quote: Letun
      Not that the Ukrainians founded Troy, I already heard, but the fact that hopak is close to kung fu in philosophy ... This is strong!

      If you look at the performances of song and dance ensembles of the times of the USSR, you will see that the dance numbers of Cossack and Russian dances from the competitive acrobatic numbers of Taijiquan - Chinese dance, the same jumps and turntables, differ only in music and sequence of movements. By the way - now nowhere I have ever seen a Cossack dance dancing when the whole number was squatted. Here they went on stage, danced, even all the jumps and punches — kicks of legs were sitting or squatting. For the sake of interest, what would it be like to walk around the apartment for about twenty minutes squatting without getting up on outstretched legs. I tried and quietly ah ... l, but I understood for myself about what the plastunas were.
      1. Patton5
        Patton5 26 March 2014 10: 26
        +8
        I have not seen Taijiquan, but I have seen "fighting hopak" feelings are mixed, where is the hopak? from the hopak only harem pants !!!
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 26 March 2014 10: 50
          +8
          Quote: Patton5
          I have not seen Taijiquan, but I have seen "fighting hopak" feelings are mixed, where is the hopak? from the hopak only harem pants !!!

          Patton5, I'm sorry, of course, but the video that you posted is just a miserable parody of a real combat hopak.
          Here it is a real ancient deadly martial dance:


          But, as you know, wherever they do not teach secret knowledge, anyway.
          Only in closed professional folk dance groups.
          1. Rider
            Rider 26 March 2014 11: 41
            +5
            Quote: Flood
            Here it is a real ancient deadly martial dance:

            Why did you post it?
            this is an explicit ruling.
            strikes are applied half-force, the movements of the attackers are synchronized with the defending lad, in order to have enough time for a response. and the pinwheel at the end looks like a child’s game.

            however, if it is sarcasm, then the claims are removed.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 26 March 2014 11: 48
              +7
              Quote: Rider
              Why did you post it?
              this is an explicit ruling.

              Rider, don't disappoint me.
              It is quite obvious that a gang broke into the dance and ballet hall where the Zaporizhzhya Cossack trained. Apparently, they decided to take the prey from the Cossack from the last raid on the Turkish coast.
              Of course, strikes were delivered at half power. Because if the gopakovets had beaten at full strength, the walls of the hall and sports equipment would have suffered.
              1. Rider
                Rider 26 March 2014 11: 57
                +7
                Quote: Flood
                Rider, don't disappoint me

                I repent.
                I acknowledge my guilt, measure, degree, depth.
                and ask me to send to the next war.
                no war?
                I’ll accept everything, exile, hard labor, prison.
                but preferably in July, and preferably in the Crimea.

                wassat
          2. Fin
            Fin 26 March 2014 12: 12
            +5
            Quote: Flood
            But, as you know, wherever they do not teach secret knowledge, anyway.
            Only in closed professional folk dance groups.

            All this arose in the wake of the search for ancient ukrov and the remnants of their great civilization. It was necessary to come up with a national struggle, as with all old peoples. So they gave birth to a military hopak. In any dance they make turntables, jumps, coups .... they added a bit of rigidity, fastened to the Cossacks, Ukrams, Magi (add at will) and it turned out ANCIENT UKRAINIAN DANCE. Why didn’t other peoples think of a battle lezginka, a squat, a cancan?
            The author wrote correctly:
            which in itself the philosophy of martial hopak is very reminiscent of the philosophy of martial arts of the East, but with the addition of national shades.
          3. Michael_59
            Michael_59 26 March 2014 13: 27
            +1
            Quote: Flood
            closed professional folk dance groups


            Anyone who wants to can laugh, but I am not the weakest person, who runs three or three times a week and pulls up 15 times, I can only envy such movements. And there is strength, and speed, and coordination. Krasava.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 26 March 2014 13: 54
              +4
              Quote: Michael_59
              I can only envy such movements. And there is power, and speed, and coordination

              Who is arguing? But the trick is that most of these movements can be performed by a good dancer. Rather, it will even be argued that these movements themselves are dance. And a karateka, for example, will be able to fulfill them only after a series of folk dance classes. We are not talking about abstract gestures, but about their applicability in a combat situation.
              Quote: Michael_59
              Who wants can laugh

              Why not laugh? The video was made in a rather ironic context. In any case, I see it this way.
            2. Russkiy_Prapor
              Russkiy_Prapor 26 March 2014 17: 51
              +4
              And here I am, in the end, a breathing, almost military pensioner, but I’ll work all this gop campaign together with the dancer tightly for 1 minute.
            3. dustycat
              dustycat 26 March 2014 18: 21
              0
              Normally.
              In a matter of weeks, you’ll bounce.
              Special coordination of movements is not required.
              This is even me - a phlegmatic lumpiness weighing 90 kg with an increase of 170 and now I can.
          4. sanitar80
            sanitar80 26 March 2014 13: 52
            +2
            Thanks smiled, especially when at 20 seconds the dude on a rope pulled out of the frame))
          5. dustycat
            dustycat 26 March 2014 18: 18
            +1
            And what?
            Kindergarten where he went and where the crow (but without words naturally!) At the age of five he studied for the New Year holiday under the guidance of one alkanoid from the village of Turabyevo, still stands in the village of Krasnaya Baydarka.
            Only this melody is easier to play on a Saratov accordion with bells - instead of three accompanists (harmonica, bandura, xylophone), one is enough.
            And in the Ukrainians was only once - near Vinnitsa visiting relatives of his grandmother in 1974.
          6. WWSW
            WWSW 13 July 2014 21: 26
            0
            Hollywood is resting! Aleksandrov had something similar in the USSR. Yes, and some gopnik with intellectual physiognomy.
        2. Russkiy_Prapor
          Russkiy_Prapor 26 March 2014 17: 37
          0
          The video shows some kind of parody of martial art. A light contact is generally nonsense.
        3. P12P
          P12P 27 March 2014 02: 22
          0
          if this artist meets a competent Thai boxer, then the artist will need to treat broken arms, legs
      2. Middle-brother
        Middle-brother 26 March 2014 12: 49
        +2
        Quote: avt
        Chinese Taijiquan - the dances are the same, but without music, practically "shadow boxing" and nothing, no one laughs, but on the contrary - they admire the "martial art of the East"

        Learn the materiel. This is not a dance, jumping and acrobatics are absent.
        And about the military hopak ... Sambo also did not appear from scratch, but to say that the hopak is a martial art of ancient ukrov (those who invented the wheel and gunpowder) is just ridiculous.
      3. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 26 March 2014 14: 02
        +2
        avt "Chinese Taijiquan - the dances are the same, but without music, practically" shadow boxing "and nothing, no one laughs, but on the contrary - they admire the" martial art "
        I do not agree with you here. Folk dancing is one thing. Tie them combat systems remodels of the 90s is not worth it. I would also like for us to have a martial arts system a la kimono.))) But this is not because there is not. Yes, we fought a lot and hard, and we also had to have our own ancient martial arts system. But she was not there, somehow it did not work out .. She appeared only in the 20th century and is called SAMBO. The rest is wishful thinking.
        I know about the Chinese and Japanese. But we are not them. Battle hopak myth. Martial Arts a la Japan, China, we did not have. Do not come up with. Those folk dances with ballet streamers, picture bouncing, foot lifting appeared in our dances in Soviet times. Academic and other teams, fleets and armies. Moiseev tried to thank him, his choreography.
        NOT Borya Moiseev.))) That is what we observe at the performances of song and dance ensembles.
        Have you seen grandfathers in villages dancing at weddings? This is our folk dances. In a squat is not always, it is a rarity and that, from an excess of feelings.)))
        1. oldstaryi
          oldstaryi 29 March 2014 00: 11
          0
          Interestingly, have you heard anything about the Russian style? or plastuns in the tsarist army?
      4. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 26 March 2014 16: 50
        +1
        Walking in a squat is an ordinary sambo training. No pure BI is ever used. They are not intended for this. This is a long conversation ...
      5. dustycat
        dustycat 26 March 2014 17: 47
        +1
        Quote: avt
        something in the dances of those times of the peoples of the USSR ANYWHERE of such sweeping movements, but practically with acrobatic technique

        So.
        I'll start right now.
        Komarinsky (drunken monkey style)
        Kerzhsky squat (kungfu of different styles)
        Lomak (almost a hopak, but the first official known ban in 450 (or so) was imposed on it). (Chinese Wushu and what they call "acrobatics")
        Khlystovsky scrap. (Drunken kungfu style)
        Boresterkh (and you try with two swords in your hands and with a naked torso in the crowd armed with swords and shields break into and cut in such a way that you can fill up more than two and so that no one dares to come closer than two meters and could not get a spear?) (Something like crane style).

        All these "dances" at different times fell under the ban and executions to convicts.

        Therefore, little is known about them.

        Lomak and Komarinsky plainly and craftsmen fuck (nothing brings up a word?) Remained.

        Combat Sambo, it did not come out from scratch.

        And you say there were no sweeping dances ...

        Marry the others! Ninjutsu and kungfu styles appeared in China and later in Japan it was not without reason.
        The tangerines of theirs were preferred by the Slavs, a heap of documents from the treasury of those Chinese epochs.
        So much for the legs from these styles.
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 27 March 2014 07: 17
          +2
          dustycat "The Slavs preferred the tangerines of theirs to protection - there are a lot of documents from the state Chinese of those eras."
          Justify at least one document.))) As I understand it, Russian ninjas taught the Japanese and the Chinese at the same time.)))
          1. dustycat
            dustycat 28 March 2014 19: 25
            0
            Drive to any Chinese museum where there are books of the Zhou era - the local guides will be happy to show you records on the payment of maintenance to the Slavic bodyguards of the mandarins of that era.

            Ninjutsu and all kinds of hand-to-hand Chinese combat appeared as a means against bodyguards from the Slavs.

            Actually, the higher school of sword fighting Kendo from the samurai appeared from the same place according to some sources. But this theory is very doubtful for me, although what exactly is known about those eras in Russia ?!
      6. Revolver
        Revolver 26 March 2014 21: 05
        +2
        Than judo hopak and karate, better old TT. wink
      7. Turkir
        Turkir 26 March 2014 22: 51
        +1
        Hopak, like physical fitness, I don’t laugh, very seriously. Just like any men's national dance.
        In order to turn or reveal the key moments for the battle, you need real masters from generation to generation who know the system. And she, to everyone, is not revealed. What we see can be done by any acrobat, but this does not turn the acrobat into a fighter. These are external systems (Wai Jia), progress in which is limited by age.
        A separate discussion about internal systems (Nei Jia), in China there are only three BaGua, Xinu Yi, Tai Ji Chuan. Repeat for as long as you want, you don’t know the keys, it’s not useful for a fight. For health, you can.
        And yet, the killers and criminals, the masters do not disclose the system.
      8. oldstaryi
        oldstaryi 29 March 2014 00: 04
        0
        Russian dance is an ancient type of martial art of a pawn warrior. For example, throwing one leg in a jump means knocking a rider off a horse’s saddle; spinning in a squat with a top means knocking down an opponent, etc.
    4. Patton5
      Patton5 26 March 2014 10: 08
      +6
      No, no ... Battle tap in non-competition good
    5. Tersky
      Tersky 26 March 2014 10: 53
      +14
      Quote: Nagaibak
      Combat tango or battle waltz is much cooler.)))

      No hopak will help against this dance:
    6. Noctis
      Noctis 26 March 2014 11: 02
      +3
      rave. but not that there is such a "battle dance of ukrov", but that it is "primordial. As it happened in history, if a people had a martial art, brought to the" rank "of a common (accessible to all), then the people were a conqueror, or gave birth to great warriors, appreciated all over the world.Ukraine is neither the first nor the second as it is not very famous ... conclusion. arose not so long ago and did not have time to spread
      1. Patton5
        Patton5 26 March 2014 12: 22
        +6
        or gave birth to great warriors,
        on the territory of modern Ukraine, the Cossacks were born, and they were just
        valued around the world
        they were infantry, and to a no lesser extent sailors (or marine infantry), and in that capacity were even very much appreciated, and hopped-up dancers danced, but not combat)) but horror ... for modern Ukraine crying , they considered themselves Russian people, the Orthodox faith tongue
      2. Evgen_Vasilich
        Evgen_Vasilich 26 March 2014 19: 56
        0
        so, after all, the FOUNDER is clearly shown, only for him it's not a few years ... it seems like a young man .. doesn’t it?
    7. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 26 March 2014 11: 03
      +5
      Quote: Nagaibak
      Oh, this battle hopak ...))) The battle tango or the battle waltz is much cooler.)))


      ... scary weapon of a fighting homosexual ...
      1. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 26 March 2014 11: 47
        0
        Quote: Geisenberg
        Quote: Nagaibak
        Oh, this battle hopak ...))) The battle tango or the battle waltz is much cooler.)))


        ... scary weapon of a fighting homosexual ...


        I apologize for repeating wink
    8. podpolkovnik
      podpolkovnik 26 March 2014 11: 45
      +9
      Quote: Nagaibak
      Oh, this battle hopak ...))) The battle tango or the battle waltz is much cooler.)))


      I propose to diversify the list due to Russian dances:
      1 Battle Combat
      2: fighting dances with a bear
      3 Battle Squad
      4.A round dance
      5.Military Russian dance
      6: Fighting Dances - Improvisations
      7: martial game dances
      8.Military "lady"
      9.Fighting "Kamarinskaya"

      As an option - combat lezginka .... fool
      let's come up with a combat lezginka, a combat "lady" or a combat "Komarinsky"
      1. vkrav
        vkrav 26 March 2014 17: 00
        +4
        Quote: podpolkovnik
        As an option - combat lezginka ..

        The Georgians have a fighting letka-yenka!
      2. atalef
        atalef 27 March 2014 07: 24
        +1
        1 Battle Combat

        what is this dance?
        You can’t dance a lot with a trepak, especially in battle wassat
    9. dustycat
      dustycat 26 March 2014 17: 23
      +1
      Fighting hopak .... Bozhezka, you are mine ...
      And about "breaking the Komarinsky" the author ever heard of?
      Have you heard that this "Komarinsky" was repeatedly banned under different tsars from Vsvolod, the red sun and Mamai to Nicholas II, and by no means for the phraseological turns and ideomatic expressions accompanying this dance?
      And has the author heard about the "lomak-whip" and about the "Kerzha's squat", which were also repeatedly banned by everyone who tried to rule in Russia?
      And the author is clearly not in the know about Russian folk dance and, apart from hiphop, has not seen anything.

      Let Taki then look at the recordings of the performance of the ensemble of Russian folk dance of the central house of the Soviet army.

      And then think about it ..
      And why such twists, jumps and emissions under such a rhythmic motive to peaceful settlers, farmers?

      Itself just a little in the ensemble of Russian folk dance danced, but some of the rings from it more than once helped in the army to repulse collective raids by grandfathers and countrymen.
      Once, even with the alleged blackthorn, he clashed.
      On an icy parade ground.
      I didn’t seriously touch him with my finger, although I didn’t ... I poked a finger under the liver a couple of times, and he put a cranial bone on the parade ground three times in a row so that after the third they dragged him to the smoking room.

      Karate is certainly cool, but it requires a non-slippery surface - even for jumps - but where can you find it in Russia for more than six months?
      And the same Komarinsky can be broken on bare ice (which on the Volga is also done at Shrovetide often still those who still remember the words and the knee;) so that not one meter is closer than a meter.
    10. GRANATE-19
      GRANATE-19 26 March 2014 17: 57
      0
      Quote: Nagaibak
      Oh, this battle hopak ...))) The battle tango or the battle waltz is much cooler.)))

      Yes, yes, hopak now, NOT IN FASHION !!!
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    12. Very smart
      Very smart 26 March 2014 21: 11
      0
      NAGAYBAK
      What a waltz !? Fighting lezginka !!! And everyone sings in chorus in different voices !!! The enemy is defeated and flees! And then "... timid Georgians ..." run away in the other direction!
    13. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov 26 March 2014 21: 19
      +3
      This is all from the ancient Ukrov!
      "After the baptism of Rus, with the advent of Christianity, everything changed radically. Military honor began to be perceived in a completely different way. According to the new religion, the enemy had to be met with humility. That is why, say some researchers, when the Mongols came to the Russian lands, the warriors could not give them worthy rebuff and defend the native land. "
      For this alone, the aftor needs to be filled with a helm!
      I could not read further!
    14. lexx2038
      lexx2038 22 May 2014 19: 49
      0
      Interestingly, does the combat S.E.K.S. exist?
    15. lexx2038
      lexx2038 22 May 2014 19: 49
      0
      Interestingly, does the combat S.E.K.S. exist?
    16. atalef
      atalef 13 July 2014 21: 37
      +1
      Quote: Nagaibak
      Oh, this battle hopak ...))) The battle tango or the battle waltz is much cooler.)))

      There is also a combat lambada - it's just tin
  2. My address
    My address 26 March 2014 08: 16
    +26
    Dangerous dance for the viewer. You can jerk from laughter.
    Imagine a gopakiruyuschuyu rifle company in the offensive?
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 26 March 2014 09: 00
      +18
      Quote: My address
      Imagine a gopakiruyuschuyu rifle company in the offensive?


      Aha winked Hto not jump, that ......., called laughing Dizhe scary and merciless dance. laughing
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      2. Aryan
        Aryan 27 March 2014 11: 07
        +1
        I have big doubts about the deep ancient roots of the "combat hopak"
        its roots are much shorter ...
        no longer than the pipes of his followers

        Which is worse? Do not know your story or make it up? request what
  3. Andrey78
    Andrey78 26 March 2014 08: 17
    +11
    The second look at the military gopak has pronounced nationalistic shades and says that the roots of the military hopak go either to the Aryans, or to the ancient Ukram.
    Defined as, by the shards?
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 26 March 2014 10: 40
      +12
      Using "doppling" and not such a mess ... wassat
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 26 March 2014 12: 32
        +3
        Well, you are a provocateur! The post is now! And on the market today, I look at fat

        fleshy (which I especially love). Here's another vodka close-up .... hmmm. And what about the "combat hopak" - on the Internet what the current you will not recognize: a combat slingshot, a combat stone, a combat felt boot, combat obscene words - why not be a "fighting hopak"?
      2. rybachenkoff
        rybachenkoff 31 March 2014 12: 07
        0
        FROM TSE-DILO, TSE-GARNO DILO)
    2. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 26 March 2014 11: 20
      +5
      the roots of the fighting hopak go either to the Aryans, or to the ancient Ukrainians.
      What to guess on coffee grounds when everything is stated in the article itself:
      And only thanks to the Lviv Vladimir Pilate did she appear.
      The laurels of Masutatsu Oyama and Morihei Ueshiba did not let him sleep. That's just these Japanese masters all their life put on the study of BI, before they comprehend and come up with something of their own. And about this Lviv character takes me doubt ... Moreover, Lviv does not pull on the power and continuity of BI traditions from the Middle Ages.
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 26 March 2014 12: 53
        +1
        Lviv Vladimir Pilate
        Isn’t Pontius an affiliate of Pontius for an hour? Then everything immediately becomes clear - well, I wanted to become famous for a man, so I came up with ... laughing
        1. Evgen_Vasilich
          Evgen_Vasilich 26 March 2014 20: 01
          +1
          Pontius his grandson, judging by the fact that the hopak is ancient Ukrainian, means people - ancient Ukrainian, Katatak fool
    3. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov 26 March 2014 21: 22
      0
      Quote: Andrey78
      Defined as, by the shards?

      Yeah, for those that have their head instead!
  4. parus2nik
    parus2nik 26 March 2014 08: 21
    +8
    Poster of Soviet times: Steelworkers are your strength in swimming trunks! There’s something similar, a military hopak, with a claim to kung fu .. or vice versa ..
  5. Kazakh
    Kazakh 26 March 2014 08: 24
    +19
    After the baptism of Russia, with the advent of Christianity, everything changed dramatically. Military honor began to take a completely different way. According to the new religion, the enemy had to be met with humility. That is why, some researchers say, when the Mongols came to the Russian lands, the warriors could not give them a fitting rebuff and protect their native land.
    Absolute nonsense. And then the same humble Christians piled on the Kulikovo field. Or were there all magi and elders who went into the woods? laughing
    1. Rebus
      Rebus 26 March 2014 09: 14
      +7
      I agree, nonsense ... Often I hear similar statements from pseudo-pagans. Such nonsense can be spoken and written by people who are not just not reading the Bible, but also unfamiliar with Christianity.
      A few quotes from the Bible about a clear not humility before the enemy:
      “To him who overcomes, I will give me to sit with me on my throne, just as I conquered and sat with my Father on his throne.” (Rev. 3:21)

      “He who overcomes will inherit everything, and I will be his God, and he will be my son.” (Rev. 21: 7)


      PS It seems to me that "combat ballet" is cooler ... laughing
      1. Kazakh
        Kazakh 26 March 2014 09: 24
        +3
        Often I hear similar statements from pseudo-pagans. Such nonsense can be spoken and written by people who are not just not reading the Bible, but also unfamiliar with Christianity.
        And we are invited to move away from Christianity. And what in return? Legion of the Magi coming from the skete? Books with secret knowledge? Who will lead us to the great Dazhdbog, Perun and others all knowledge is lost and can only be called for the abolition of Christianity in favor of paganism (communists from religion) Again, destroy everything in return? Maidan?
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 26 March 2014 10: 59
          0
          Quote: Kazakh
          Who will lead us to the great Dazhdbog, Perun and others

          As in Greece, we have everything! There are also new pagans who conduct various rituals, revere the center of Kiev, so many join. Not to mention the memory! Although the last "molfar" died there, the case of the "white sorcerers" continues.

          As for the dance itself, of course, it has now been greatly modernized and enriched with the techniques of oriental martial arts. But keep in mind that the real, THAT combat hopak, was designed to fight with sabers, in extreme cases with "pistols". And the ability to jump high, push the opponent with his foot in the chest or head, skip under him, and then "chop", etc. very much appreciated!
          1. Rider
            Rider 26 March 2014 11: 55
            +4
            Quote: Egoza
            But keep in mind that the real, THAT combat hopak, was designed to fight with sabers, in extreme cases with "pistols". And the ability to jump high, push the opponent with his foot in the chest or head, skip under him, and then "chop", etc. very much appreciated!

            blinnnn, Helen, well, who drove this dreg into your head?
            Well, understand that basically the Cossacks were RIDERS.
            and they seemed to have no sense in bouncing and kicking in the saddle.
            in foot combat, hopak is completely useless, just watch movies where a couple of hundred people are chopped into hand-to-hand combat.
            pay attention to how crowded they are, well, there’s no room for all kinds of jumps and trembling.

            another thing is that hopak is very suitable for (as they would say now) initial military training.
            developing strength, mobility, stretching, etc.
            and all this is done not under the cries and sticks of corporals, but with funny music and has an element of the game.
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 26 March 2014 12: 05
              -2
              Quote: Rider
              Well, understand that basically the Cossacks were RIDERS.

              In principle, I agree. But it seems that such a hopak was used by small groups of scouts, if they tried to capture them in pair fights. In any case, such a training really physically developed well and instilled confidence in the subconscious about the advantage over the opponent! hi
              1. Rider
                Rider 26 March 2014 12: 15
                +4
                Quote: Egoza
                But seemingly such a hopak was used by small groups of scouts, if they tried to capture them in pair fights.


                seemingly, in your answer the main thing.
            2. avt
              avt 26 March 2014 13: 02
              0
              Quote: Rider
              blinnnn, Helen, well, who drove this dreg into your head?
              Well, understand that basically the Cossacks were RIDERS.

              laughing No, well, you don’t need to fall into insanity either, as those Greeks for whom the equestrian from Tauris was a half-god with the body of a horse - a centaur. You might think this is how the old man put his son on the horse for the first time, so he didn’t get down to death, like the Chukchi in the joke that he did everything, but forgot to take off his skis. Have pity on the same plastuns. How can they be crawling with horses in intelligence? Or to the fortress in horse riding, at least near Azov during the time of Misha Romanov.
              Quote: Egoza
              . In any case, such a training really physically developed well and instilled confidence in the subconscious about the advantage over the opponent!

              Quite right, besides, a great plus is improvisation in tricks and a change in rhythm, in contrast to the almost hard-coded kata in karate and the same tzijiquan among the Chinese.
              1. Rider
                Rider 26 March 2014 13: 14
                +1
                Quote: avt
                No, well, you don’t need to fall into insanity either

                specialist for you
                in foot combat, hopak is completely useless, just watch movies where a couple of hundred people are chopped into hand-to-hand combat.
                pay attention to how crowded they are, well, there’s no room for all kinds of jumps and trembling.

                and please explain how hopak helps to storm the fortress.
                and in the abardances on the seagulls it was completely irreplaceable

                laughing
            3. Patton5
              Patton5 26 March 2014 13: 40
              +1
              Well, understand that basically the Cossacks were RIDERS.
              mostly Cossacks were infantry (that is, archers) and widely used methods of field fortification ... Horses, you know, a lot of money stood, and if the Cossack was not listed in the register there was a goal like a falcon. From which the uprisings were not uncommon speech of the Commonwealth, this is if about the Zaporizhzhya Sich.
  6. ed65b
    ed65b 26 March 2014 08: 27
    +18
    More and more, the confidence is growing that Dill is full of fucking .. by. Thank God that ours did not begin to invent fighting dances and trepaki. The desire of Ukropov to prove that Adam was a crest and to separate from the Russian world exceeded the most daring expectations. Congratulations.
    1. Hon
      Hon 26 March 2014 08: 42
      0
      Quote: ed65b
      Thank God that ours did not begin to invent fighting dances and trepaki.

      We have all sorts of Rusboys also cooked up laughing
      1. Timeout
        Timeout 26 March 2014 09: 52
        +2
        Quote: Hon
        We have all sorts of Rusboys also cooked up

        Well, how without it? But still in tsarist Russia there was a good school of self-defense without weapons (but not sambo smile ). There is such a funny little book for the police of those times "Self-defense and the arrest" of Lebedev. By the way, the police were taught this on a professional level.

        The tsarist army also taught melee well. Just a lot was lost during the troubled years, many knowledge carriers were killed or immigrated.
        1. avt
          avt 26 March 2014 10: 09
          +5
          Quote: Timeout
          Well, how without it? But still in tsarist Russia there was a good school of self-defense without weapons (but not sambo

          For a long time in my life I crossed paths with one guy, his grandfather served in the First Horse Cavalry, so he said that his grandfather would tell - if in the gymnasium at the then physical education lessons the teacher had not shown them the techniques of using cold weapons, Cossack, Ulan, Dragoon, By the way, even Gilyarovsky wrote that there was a school of bayonet fighting and competitions were held up to joining the “Olympic family.” and the dissolution of sports structures. YES, I forgot to mention, in general, ALL hand-to-hand games after the revolution were prohibited and Dzerzhinsky with the Cheka monitored the implementation of this ban, even boxing in England could initially only be practiced in the Dynamo sports society, but then the list was expanded, when they realized the need for a healthy, well-prepared mobile reserve and OSAVIAKHIM had already appeared.
          1. Letnab
            Letnab 26 March 2014 10: 31
            +4
            in the late 90s met in the north with a guy from Voronezh. And as the conversation about martial arts began, he told me that he was engaged in Cossack hand-to-hand combat while studying in Voronezh. I became interested, and for some time we studied together. By that time I had a little karate experience, including sparing. Those principles, as he called the elements of technology, did not resemble the familiar karate and boxing. The basic technique in general had much in common with Taijiquan, the strikes are very powerful but without losing balance during misses, but simply moving on to the next principle. I didn’t learn much, but when practicing basic movements my back stopped hurting, by that time I had been tormented for 4 years now, had caught a cold.
            Why am I writing about this, after some time on TV I saw a Russian dance girl performed by some famous ensemble, so to my surprise I saw many elements from the Cossack melee that this guy showed me. So it’s not so simple with these dances. Even in China, many styles are considered dance, and it seems as soon as a specialist can understand what's what.
            Now like
            1. Timeout
              Timeout 26 March 2014 11: 22
              +7
              Quote: Letnab
              Basic technology in general had much in common with Taijiquan,

              By our time, unfortunately, there are simply no carriers of all the techniques left, and what is now being called "felling", "var", "spas", "bars" is a common compilation of oriental techniques and sambo. I say with confidence, since the first hand-to-hand combat instructor in 1987 was 54 years old, by the way, from the Cossacks, and he completely refuted information about any knowledge that had been preserved from his grandfathers ...
            2. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 26 March 2014 11: 25
              +4
              when practicing basic movements, the back stopped hurting, by that time I had been tormented for 4 years already, had caught a cold.
              Who is arguing? Exercising in any form is good for your health. The essence of the argument is different ...
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          3. Timeout
            Timeout 26 March 2014 11: 13
            +3
            Quote: avt
            Melee Tricks, Cossack, Lancer, Dragoons

            There were indeed such tricks, very different both in execution and in the weapons used, and the protection against them was different. All types of training or any kind of hand-to-hand combat for the layman was prohibited after 1931 and again returned only in 1938. Our fellow countryman Vasily Oshchepkov (founder of the Sambo school) in 1929 taught 2-month courses at the Central House of Artists, by the way Tukhachevsky, Yakir, and Budyonny were studying with him.
            1. avt
              avt 26 March 2014 12: 50
              0
              Quote: Timeout
              Our fellow countryman Vasily Oshchepkov (founder of the Sambo school) in 1929 taught 2-month courses at the Central House of Artists, by the way Tukhachevsky, Yakir, and Budyonny were studying with him.

              And Gilyarovsky wrote in his memoirs that as a kid he studied hand-to-hand with a sailor, that he lived in Japan, and that he contact cossacks with a whip.
              Quote: Timeout
              I say with confidence, since the first instructor in hand-to-hand combat in 1987 was 54 years old, by the way from the Cossacks, and he completely refuted the information about any kind of preserved knowledge from grandfathers ...

              That's why I respect the Chinese, they meticulously documented everything, made poetic, animalistic styles and clearly stand on their copyright. Films here are filmed where the sky is flying and the forest is blowing one breath. True, in life, you can't see super boxers, wrestlers And the Japanese at their competitions strive to change the rules every time our people come to them, but still great, not like ours, what we don't keep - having lost crying.
              1. Timeout
                Timeout 26 March 2014 14: 14
                +1
                Quote: avt
                And Gilyarovsky wrote in his memoirs that as a kid he studied hand-to-hand with a sailor, that he lived in Japan, and that he contact cossacks with a whip.

                Uncle Gilyay is generally an odious person, so he did not climb out of the neighborhood for days to write "Slum People", the policemen and policemen considered him their own. His personal biographer, Chekhov Jr., wrote more than once that Gilyai learned many tricks from the police. Well, the sailor Kitaev (Vasily Yugov) has a separate conversation, a very literary and legendary personality.
                Quote: avt
                It’s true in life that you don’t see super boxers, wrestlers, and the Japanese strive at their competitions every time our people come to them to change the rules. But all the same, well done, not that we do not have what we have - lost weeping.

                All melee athletes or fighters, immigrants from the USSR or Russia are the most reckless and stubborn opponents, each fight as the last. Especially applies to pankration.
              2. Vasyan1971
                Vasyan1971 27 March 2014 02: 06
                +1
                Sorry, I'll put in my 5 kopecks. And how many times have they ruined. Shaolin with its "invulnerable" war monks? Although the water is dark in the clouds. Maybe everyone is lying ...
        2. Evgen_Vasilich
          Evgen_Vasilich 26 March 2014 20: 06
          +1
          and right now, the company commander, training in military practice in hand-to-hand combat, is fighting a deputy for educational work: comrade captain, don’t dare, it’s traumatic when I found out, precipitated, drank in silence for 2 hours, comrades thought that I cringed ...
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  7. inkass_98
    inkass_98 26 March 2014 08: 42
    +19
    Now in Ukraine, political hopak with elements of prostitution and suicidal incitement is becoming more fashionable.
  8. TRex
    TRex 26 March 2014 08: 49
    +5
    Did you know that the Cossacks invented the submarine and Admiral PS Nakhimov is a "broad" Ukrainian? I was not at all surprised by this dance ... In battle, the enemy will simply drop his pistol (machine gun) in surprise when he sees these jumps and antics ...
  9. Igarr
    Igarr 26 March 2014 09: 04
    +7
    Funny, funny ...
    In conjunction with information about Yanukovych, regional forces of the South-East of Ukraine ...
    Serious, polite people will come to their senses ... I’m ready to see Nenka ... and towards them - stoned, extensive military Hopakists ...
    starting at the age of three.
    .
    Where does such psychopathy come from in Ukraine?
    LSD was not sprayed over them, huh?
    1. Rider
      Rider 26 March 2014 12: 04
      +4
      Quote: Igarr
      Where does such psychopathy come from in Ukraine?
      LSD was not sprayed over them, huh?

      sometimes reading the comments of his comrades who are independent, he involuntarily creeps into his head: are they not setting some kind of global experiment on them?
      can from a satellite zombie.
      or add something to the water.

      however, with their media and satellites is not nada.
  10. Kuvabatake
    Kuvabatake 26 March 2014 09: 14
    +9
    Anyone involved in dancing (folk, ballroom, sports) is easily and not forced to learn self-defense techniques. But sticking out in Ukraine hopak is exclusively a nationalistic background (we are the coolest)
  11. svoi
    svoi 26 March 2014 09: 29
    +4
    He pulled a battle torch, under a battle sack with a combat bulb and qibula, and wow fry a battle hopak
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 27 March 2014 02: 12
      +1
      He grunted a bowl of green wine into a bucket and a half and rushed! He waved his right hand - the street. He waved his left - a lane! As if in childhood I read about Ilya Muromets in fairy tales. Aged, a little smarter (?) And I think - maybe these are echoes of the ancient fighting style "splashed"?
  12. Evgeny_Lev
    Evgeny_Lev 26 March 2014 09: 50
    +6
    Video of course))

    All Ukraine’s policy is a combat hopak on a rake.
  13. Gunxnumx
    Gunxnumx 26 March 2014 09: 52
    +4
    Ancient Ukrainians ... Well, well
  14. Lissyara
    Lissyara 26 March 2014 10: 02
    +6
    Bullshit! We have a battle ballet! This is cooler!
    1. Patton5
      Patton5 26 March 2014 10: 32
      +4
      This is what I understand, combat dance! angry
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 26 March 2014 10: 39
      +4
      Laughter laugh, ay my acquaintance is engaged in taekwondo, says that the girls know how to wave their legs after the ballet.
      1. Timeout
        Timeout 26 March 2014 11: 27
        +3
        Quote: leon-iv
        girls after the ballet can wave their legs be healthy.

        A historical case, in the 80s the ballerina performed a fouet to the gopniks, with heavy bodily ones for them.
  15. Zapasnoy
    Zapasnoy 26 March 2014 10: 17
    +8
    Review article with clear neopagan notes. Doubtful pseudo-historical data about the training of princes, about the sorcerers who became elders, drawn to the justification of the antiquity of tradition. Nonsense is complete. Please note that the distribution of this garbage only in the western and central parts of Ukraine, a clear Nazi background. Plus, the humiliation of the Orthodox faith, as a bond that unites our peoples. Dressed by Zaporizhzhya Cossacks zapadentsy. With the same success, they would dress up as elves and come up with some kind of martial anti-York Silmarian dance with daggers.
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 26 March 2014 11: 31
      +5
      Dressed by Zaporizhzhya Cossacks zapadentsy.
      Despite the fact that the Lvivites refer to the Zaporizhzhya Sich as ... the left heel to the right ear - it seems like one organism, but at different ends.
      1. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 26 March 2014 12: 16
        +3
        All right.
        Does Gogol's description of Rada in Taras Bulba remind you of anything?

        “Wait a damn fist! - said Bulba to himself, “you will know from me!” And he immediately put revenge on Koshov.
        Having conspired with one and the other, he asked everyone to drink, and the hoppy Cossacks, among several people, pushed straight to the square, where the timpani tied to a pole stood, which usually beat the gathering for the rada ...
        Timpani burst out - and soon black heaps of Cossacks began to gather in the square like bumblebees. Everyone gathered in a circle, and after the third battle, the elders appeared at last: a Kosheva with a club in her hand, a sign of her dignity, a judge with a military seal, a clerk with an inkwell and a Yesul with a rod ...
        “What does this meeting mean, what do you want, panov?” - said the cat. Scolding and screaming prevented him from speaking.
        - Put the club! put it, damn son, now this club! don't want you anymore! - Cossacks shouted from the crowd.
        Some of the sober smokers seemed to want to resist; but the smokers, both drunk and sober, went to their fists. Shouting and noise became common.
        Kosheva wanted to talk, but, knowing that the furious, high-handed crowd could beat him to death for this, which is almost always the case, bowed very low, laid a club and disappeared into the crowd.
        - Command, panov, and we put dignity? - said the judge, the clerk and the esaul and were preparing to immediately put an inkwell, a military seal and a rod.
        “No, you stay,” shouted from the crowd, “we only needed to drive the cat one off, because he is a woman, and we need a man in koshev.”
        - Who do you choose now in koshovy? - said the elders.
        - Choose a cuckoo! Shouted the part.
        - We do not want Kukubenka! - shouted another, - early to him: even the milk on his lips has not dried out.
        - Let awl be ataman! - shouted alone. - Sheila put in koshovy!
        - Sewed in your back! - the crowd screamed with abuse, - what kind of Cossack is he when he steals, a dog’s son like a Tatar? To hell with the bag drunk Sheela!
        - Bearded, Bearded will put in koshovy!
        “We don't want the Bearded!” to the unclean mother of the Bearded!
        - Shout to Kirdyagu! - whispered Taras Bulba to some.
        - Kirdyagu! Kirdyagu! Shouted the crowd. - Bearded, Bearded! Kirdyagu, Kirdyagu! Shila! to hell with Shil! Kirdyagu!
        All the candidates, having heard their names spoken, immediately left the crowd so as not to give any reason to think that they helped their personal participation in the election.
        - Kirdyagu! Kirdyagu! - was heard stronger than others. - Bearded!
        They began to prove the matter with their fists, and Kirdyaga triumphed.
        - Follow the Kirdyaga! They shouted.
        About a dozen Cossacks separated themselves from the crowd; some of them barely stood on their feet - they managed to load up to such an extent, and went straight to Kirdyag to announce his election.
        Kirdyaga, although an elderly but intelligent Cossack, had long been sitting in his kuren and, as it were, was unaware of anything that was happening.
        “What, panov, what do you need?” - he asked.
        - Go, you were chosen as a cat!
        - Have mercy, Panov! - said Kirdyaga, - where can I be worthy of such an honor! where can I be koshev! Yes, I don’t have enough reason to send such a post. As if no one was better in the whole army?
        “Go, they tell you!” Cried the Cossacks. Two of them grabbed him by the arms, and no matter how he rested his feet, but was finally dragged into the square, accompanied by abuse, pushing from behind with fists, kicks and exhortations: - Do not back up, damn son! take honor, dog, when they give it to you!
        Thus, Kirdyaga was introduced into the Cossack circle.
        “What, panov,” the people who brought him proclaimed to the whole people, “do you agree that this Cossack should be a cat of ours?”
        - Everyone agrees! The crowd screamed, and the whole field rattled for a long time from the scream.

        Kiev, Maidan, 2014 year.
  16. Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 26 March 2014 11: 16
    +5

    no prettiness and unnecessary movements.
  17. sergey1972
    sergey1972 26 March 2014 11: 27
    +4
    Dear fighters of the military hopak style,))) welcome to the M1 tournaments, YOU are looking forward to there)))
  18. Tulip
    Tulip 26 March 2014 11: 34
    +2
    It is not necessary for the author to drive away not our Christianity, since it was not at all what was in Byzantium, the missionaries of Constantinople were never able to create its classical appearance on our territory, but received a kind of surrogate in the form of a kind of mixture between Christian and Orthodox culture, although they planted it we have Christianity by fire and sword. Khan Batyga defeated Russia only from the point of view of the theory of Mr. Miller, but what’s interesting is that this warrior is a loser (his ambitions far surpassed his capabilities), having ruined southern and central Russia, he received from the 150-thousandth army the whole 1.5- thousandth detachment of soldiers + 1 thousand nukers, a huge convoy with the families of dead soldiers and looted goods, which by that time had already been requisitioned by forest bandits by half because partisanship is the normal response of the Russian to the conditions of occupation.
    Question: Do you think that in such a state Batyg could rely on something when in front of him stood still such Russian giants as Novgorod, Belozero, Pskov, Lithuania.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 26 March 2014 23: 06
      +1
      "mixtures between Christian and Orthodox culture" - explain the difference.
  19. Buran
    Buran 26 March 2014 11: 40
    +3


    the best cure for kung fu hopak is the spring of the tractor belarus am
  20. Ujin61
    Ujin61 26 March 2014 11: 59
    +2
    Fighting hopak and fat in chocolate are the first steps to a rubber woman. Ukrainians go ahead!
  21. intsurfer
    intsurfer 26 March 2014 12: 10
    0
    The people, why are you attacking the top starter ?! Each nation has (or had) its own martial arts. The fact that any kind of video looks like ballet is normal. There are also tricks with weapons that are shown in parades. They also have nothing to do with accuracy. But it's beautiful.
    1. Rider
      Rider 26 March 2014 12: 13
      +2
      Quote: intsurfer
      . There are also tricks with weapons that are shown in parades. They also have nothing to do with accuracy.

      however, no one positions them as "the world's most powerful martial art" and even with a thousand-year tradition.

      wink
  22. Hort
    Hort 26 March 2014 13: 01
    0
    Yes, in fact, all old dances, such as hopak, lezginka or European folk dances, are martial movements or "shadow boxing".
    Although now "ballet" is all, of course)
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  24. silver169
    silver169 26 March 2014 13: 08
    +4
    Battle Hopak laughing laughing laughing
    Bullshit, sick imagination of Svidomo ukrov, who had eaten bacon.
  25. revnagan
    revnagan 26 March 2014 13: 13
    +1
    Why reinvent the wheel? The martial arts of Russia have sunk into oblivion. All these "Slavic-Goritsky", "combat hopaks" are synthetics, with an attempt to pass off as "ancient martial art of the Slavs." Separate elements of combat systems are really used in folk dances, but dances are not a combat system. And, by the way, the combat systems of the Soviet-Russian special services, although they are also synthetics, are much more effective and deadly. Same sambo-100 points ahead of any "hopak". In general, it is said well in the book " Military equipment wu-shu ".
  26. Leader
    Leader 26 March 2014 13: 36
    0
    All these virtuosos of "combat dances-shmants" with sabers are quite easily "deactivated" by one or two shots from a pistol.
    Well, if only Jackie Chan would have to add a couple more shots ...
    Stupidity is utter. XNUMXst century in the yard ...
  27. Black
    Black 26 March 2014 13: 40
    +5
    Sashko - the master of the 10th was given .... Gapak is very serious !!! yes
    To drink so much gorilka, build up such a mammon, be beaten by prostitutes ... and jumping out of the window, spin so that to pass a bullet through your heart (2 times !!!) LET IN FOOT, it’s not a pound of fat for you, it’s skill!
  28. Russkiy53
    Russkiy53 26 March 2014 13: 54
    0
    I know the ancient Ugrians-Hungarians in a new way:))) ... and the ancient UKRs:))) ... this is who they are :)))?
  29. orsker
    orsker 26 March 2014 14: 10
    0
    Well, let him first splyat, and then a bullet in his forehead ...
  30. sv68
    sv68 26 March 2014 14: 15
    +2
    from the archives it is known that the ancient Ukrainians, Proto-Ukrainians, with the help of a military hopok, danced cave bears and saber-toothed tigers to death fellow bully
  31. Free wind
    Free wind 26 March 2014 14: 25
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    Sorry for the opinion, there was such a separation, header attacks are allowed ... this is a fight, prohibited. it is a sport. If you recall the shape of the Russian helmet, then it is very suitable for hitting the head, Yes, and the horned helmets of the Westerners were made not for intimidation, but also for hitting the head. But Russian kicks were always not held in high esteem. In a festive fight, wall to wall, kicking the enemy with their feet, scored their own! Heads were also banned, all the same, this is entertainment.
    1. Russkiy53
      Russkiy53 26 March 2014 14: 34
      +4
      I think the shape of the shishak is not to hit his head, but to let the vertical blow slide off ... a blow to the head is a blow with the place where the hair begins to grow, and not with the crown of the head, where there are horns on the helmet, or, like on the shishak - "edge" .. The blow you described can be effective only when applied to the stomach, with a good run ... but, then, a neck injury is possible :)! and, in general, since the 90s, I noticed: against karateka and others, all kinds of dancers: ), boxing helps very well :)))! well, sambo :)))!
  32. Thomas
    Thomas 26 March 2014 14: 31
    +6
    My personal opinion is that the so-called combat hopak is just another element of the Ukrainian "terry folk", with which they are trying to raise the "svidomist" of the Ukrainians. In fact, this is a set of different, and often simply incompatible techniques, dressed in national clothes. As a dance, the hopak is certainly beautiful, but as a martial art, it is absolutely ineffective. Any person who is more or less versed in martial arts will tell you this. You can see that the emphasis here is on kicks. Yes, and recruited from everything that could be recruited from other techniques. Let me give you an example:
    I myself did karate (Shotokan) for several years in my youth. The teacher was a master of sports in judo and had the 3 dan in karate. He always said that the main thing is hands (naturally after working with the head). Kicks have a place to be, but they should be verified and go only in support. And he advised that it’s better not to wave above the belt, otherwise stability will be lost.
    And once in the room where we were engaged a section appeared either in taekwondo or something like that. The master of this section began to actively lure students with spectacular demonstrations, and did not disdain mockery of our coach. Then our coach went and agreed with him on sparring (All right, like in Chinese films laughing ) We and all students from the competing section were urgently asked to leave, so as not to injure the youthful psyche, but we ran out into the street and stuck to the windows of the gym. Sparring lasted 3 seconds in two hits in favor of our coach. And this despite the fact that in height and weight, our coach was inferior somewhere by one third. After that, the competing coach stopped teaching and disappeared altogether.
    And I just compared it with, so to speak, the civilian version of judo karate, and what can we say about army combat systems.
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 26 March 2014 15: 47
      +1
      Foma "My personal opinion is that the so-called combat hopak is just another element of the Ukrainian" terry folk ", which they are trying to raise the" svidomist "of Ukrainians. In fact, this is a set of different, and often just incompatible techniques, dressed in national clothes. The hopak dance is certainly beautiful, but as a martial art it is absolutely ineffective. Any person who is more or less versed in martial arts will tell you. You can see that the emphasis here is on kicks. And they picked up from everything that could be picked up other techniques.
      Bravo! There’s nothing to add.)))
      1. Robinson
        Robinson 27 March 2014 03: 35
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        My opinion is that there is confusion. Why dump martial art, in this case Cossacks, into a heap with dance. I think that dance is more an element of training the body, breathing, I am not a specialist, I could be wrong. And on the bill that it’s better or more effective in the battle of arms and legs, I think the main thing in the battle is to survive, you want to live and have to bite your teeth ... (Not applicable to sports.)
        I just wanted a man to open his school, and combined dance with percussion technique.
  33. Sochi
    Sochi 26 March 2014 14: 40
    +2
    Hand-to-hand combat system and dancing are incompatible. Dance is beauty and entertainment. The melee is brevity, accuracy and efficiency, the beauty here is specific and understandable to specialists. All these remodels are a desire to make money from fools who sacredly believe newly-born adherents.
    1. Sochi
      Sochi 26 March 2014 15: 21
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      I apologize, not to the adherents but to the guru.
  34. Altor86
    Altor86 26 March 2014 14: 43
    +1
    The fighting Lezghinka did not help the Georgians. lol
  35. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 26 March 2014 15: 37
    +3
    School of hand-to-hand fighting "Fighting Hopak" has the right to exist to the same extent as other schools created relatively recently: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Cuban Karate, Konten, Kadochnikov's hand-to-hand fighting and many other styles that appeared some time ago like mushrooms in a favorable "mushroom" season. Life will sort these "styles" into ranks (already arranges them). How do new schools (styles) appear? 1) Or a dude capable of martial arts, having trained for 10-20 years karate, jiu-jitsu, kung fu, fighting Nanai boys in the end decides that only he can create a "hybrid", free from "minuses" and including "pluses "previous styles. 2) Or a fighter who, over the years of martial arts, has not been able to understand (master) the styles he was engaged in. Since he feels sorry for the years of his life, he creates his own school. Well, okay, if this is the Baker karate school -can or aikido Kuzkin-ryu. It is worse when a "remake" is created and "historical facts from ancient times" or "medieval chronicles of the ancient Magi" are attracted "by the ears." This is how schools of the fighting hopak, the Cossack savior, the Tver buza, Slavic Goritsky struggle and stuff like that.
  36. teascher
    teascher 26 March 2014 16: 54
    +1
    Oh, I'm sorry if I repeat someone’s comments, but the martial hopak is the martial art recognized by the world community, and the first master is Berkov — these are kicks, hips, and chests — only Argentinean tango is cooler!
  37. teascher
    teascher 26 March 2014 16: 58
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    The training of warriors began at the age of three, and the princes even before birth ------- and untruth before conception --- the prince whispered to his sperm, aspirating him among others-- what a nonsense!
  38. teascher
    teascher 26 March 2014 17: 06
    +6
    But in my village, in my youth, dances sometimes turned into a fight --- it’s also apparently an ancient martial art — BU-HOI — apparently something comparable to judo.
  39. fregina1
    fregina1 26 March 2014 17: 24
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    I still think what they DOWNLOAD, and they curse her! It turns out this is a military hopak! The fighting GOP STOP which has become in our time! laughing And if you are on the Maidan for a long time, then you can grab a military TRIPAK! fellow
  40. udav1964
    udav1964 26 March 2014 17: 58
    +1
    The article and the very fact of the existence of all these combat fitness are not worthy of mentioning them as something serious and independent. Minus article. Such masters of "gapaks" in every city of the CIS in batches, and serious athletes, not to mention the specialists, still look.
  41. vignat21
    vignat21 26 March 2014 21: 02
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    Khakhlov listen so aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa… even all the mega hirow “Bruce Wilis with stalons” in one bottle .. how do you ask: “why did your so cool ancestors have to skimp around without wearing pants for Parogi? ? on the fires of Khryusovskie firewood? " so this is where the current foam begins ...
  42. Turkir
    Turkir 26 March 2014 21: 12
    +3
    Whatever the child would entertain, if only he would not Cry!
    And I love the war vampire; for a drunken style, it’s better not.drinks
  43. uzer 13
    uzer 13 26 March 2014 21: 22
    +3
    In the Zaporizhzhya Sich there was a certain system of combat training, but there is no mention of the hopak in any documents. About the combat hopak we can say that it is useful, of course, like other regular physical exercises, but some new school of hand-to-hand combat. can not be called. Rather, stylization of dance movements for combat. But some elements of ancient Russian martial art can be noticed if you watch how drunk men dance to an accordion, the melody is called "harness and unharness." They move correctly and perform one of the elements hand-to-hand combat, resembling a pendulum.
  44. Dezinto
    Dezinto 26 March 2014 22: 25
    +4
    Oh, they would go with their culture, culture! About two years ago, I would have reacted with interest and respect to the history of the fraternal people, and now these bald with a pigtail cause only nigat! They themselves are to blame, Ukrainians are not friends with their heads, they are stubbornly not friends, they are not friends, neither are they friends with their government, nor are they friends with neighbors! rare d ...... s. Now they have fascism and no hopak!
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 26 March 2014 23: 17
      +1
      Apparently, hopak and intellect, things are incompatible. Especially if you dance the whole day. And then who will work?
      Oh, of course, feminists. fool
  45. Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 27 March 2014 05: 59
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    dustycat

    Tell this to the ballerina that in Khimki in 1987 showed the bully fouet with the arrival in the jaw.
    The girl was nearly planted
    Dance is generally useful! Especially the ballet ... If you can, you can stick it on the jaw!
  46. Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 27 March 2014 05: 59
    -1
    dustycat

    Tell this to the ballerina that in Khimki in 1987 showed the bully fouet with the arrival in the jaw.
    The girl was nearly planted
    Dance is generally useful! Especially the ballet ... If you can, you can stick it on the jaw!
  47. Krilion
    Krilion 27 March 2014 06: 03
    +1
    It would be nice for the author of the article to mention at least one case of using this combat hopak. I think that if the enemy is defeated, then he will only tear his stomach from laughter.
  48. Peacemaker
    Peacemaker 27 March 2014 06: 10
    -1
    and the first master is Berkov, the same kicks, hips,
    Kicking is understandable ... But kicking ... What is this place? Maybe also a bust ... Then for sure, there is no chance !!!
  49. Leader
    Leader 27 March 2014 10: 43
    +3
    Quote: Free Wind
    If you recall the shape of the Russian helmet, then it is very suitable for hitting the head, Yes, and the horned helmets of the Westerners were made not for intimidation, but also for hitting the head.

    Your conclusions are wrong.
    The form of protective armor was developed only for protection; to defeat the enemy was a weapon.
    Tilt your head in an attempt to butt someone and lose visual control over the situation, exposing the most vulnerable point (neck) - a sure and quick death.
    Quote: Free Wind
    But Russian kicks were always not held in high esteem. In a festive fight, wall to wall, kicking the enemy with their foot, scored their own!

    Probably beaten to death? Don't confuse hand-to-hand combat with "holiday fights"; in battle, everything is allowed.
    By the way, the "holiday fight" is still that stupidity ...; found something to remember and something to be proud of.

    Children's anecdote on the topic: near the tavern, a group of karate fighters had a quarrel with Chapaev, they called for a "talk" outside the house. Five minutes later, Chapaev comes out from behind the house, wipes the saber with a bunch of grass on the move and mutters "Look, they jumped ... Grasshoppers, damn it"
  50. Gespents
    Gespents 27 March 2014 12: 09
    +2
    Of course, I am not an expert, but a military hopak is, in my opinion, something from the category of shareware patriotism.