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Thinking out loud: How different we are

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Events in Ukraine once again show how different we are. I used to be wrong in saying that we are the same - we are very different.


Russia is lagging behind the West in historical terms for the epoch, but right now it is great. When we had a traditional society (even in the times of the USSR), the West had a modernity that ensured its domination over the world. Now the West has moved into the postmodern, while we are moving into modernity. The events of 1991 of the year are a brutal break of the traditional society (traumatic, but usually it does not do without injuries) and the transition to a rational society of modernity. A society of logic, Enlightenment, a society where reason prevails over feelings. The West has already passed this; postmodern in many ways means a return to the norms of traditional society. The trouble of the West (and the victory of Russia if we take advantage of this) is that modern compared to postmodern is like a soldier compared to a hippie downshifter (in our terminology, lazy and parasite). There is no chance.

Western Ukraine has taken part in the West and is moving towards the postmodern, while at the same time skipping the modern era almost completely and not gaining capital, which will provide an opportunity to "rest on its laurels." After all, it was in the era of modernity - basically that social capital was built (roads, all types of communication systems, everything, ending even with parks and religious buildings), which allows Europeans to "live beautifully." Now Ukraine’s transition to European postmodern means its eternal stagnation and the position of "European Africa."

What makes us different. I already wrote that in postmodern logic, symbols are more important than what they mean, the word is more important than deeds, political performance replaces real struggle, movement towards the goal is more important than the goal itself. Those who prepared the snow revolution in Moscow and put forward such a candidate as Lesha Navalny simply did not understand that postmodern recipes would not work in a country that lives according to the laws of modernity. Lesha Navalny refused to put forward a rational program and was rightly defined by society as a political clown. The swamp movement — the beginning of the struggle without a clearly expressed rational meaning — did not receive massive public support. Pussy Rayot held their performance - and were jailed with the consent of 75% of society. In modern society - the struggle can only go with clear, clear and openly set goals. By itself, the struggle not only does not attract, but is also seen by society as a threat. There can be no struggle "against power in general." You can not copy Europe! Much of what is happening there, is perceived as "with fat rage" - but they have fat! They made it just in the era of their own modernity. Without going the same way as they are, “skipping” through the era — we will secure for ourselves a national catastrophe as Ukraine provides for itself.

And in Ukraine, the exact opposite happens. Their logic of protest for us is completely incomprehensible: on the Maidan there is one who wants to go to Europe and one who wants higher salary — and they understand each other perfectly! Independence has no sane economic program in general-but has support. There is a performance in which a significant part of society participates. And they cannot stop, even seeing that we, in full compliance with rational norms, have already taken the Crimea and are now waiting for the development of events, having views of the entire Southeast.

And our problem is that there are postmodern islands in our country too - these are intellectuals and a significant part of the population of Moscow. And our task now is NOT to allow them to lead us to Europe by poor beggars and to go their own way. We must make Russia great. We must form a national bourgeoisie, a national political elite, a national financial and productive capital - and only then we must come to Europe. Most likely - the position of the country dominating the continent.

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  1. a52333
    a52333 24 March 2014 18: 28
    +29
    If juvenile justice, the power of the golden calf, sodomy = postmodernism, then he went to the devil. Primitively communal and even better.
    In general, if not for the Glory of Russia at the end, I would have minusanula for the second paragraph ...
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      24 March 2014 18: 33
      +3
      And we can not choose anything unfortunately. The pace is more that something has come to replace a new one that something must die. For example, after antiquity there was the Middle Ages and then the revival. This is an absolutely natural process.
      1. a52333
        a52333 24 March 2014 18: 54
        +9
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        And we can not choose anything unfortunately.


        The USSR showed that this path has ramifications.
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          24 March 2014 19: 12
          -1
          The USSR showed that this path has ramifications.


          The Union showed that jumping through the epochs is fraught with the collapse of the country.
          1. dark_65
            dark_65 24 March 2014 19: 56
            +9
            teach history .... really teach, and turn on thinking.
            for example, China, India, .. and we could, if not for "friends"
            1. Alexey Prikazchikov
              24 March 2014 20: 10
              +1
              China


              State capitalism. Not communism. Learn the story.

              India


              In which lack of toilets and mass rape have become a national disaster. Learn the story.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 25 March 2014 00: 31
                +2
                Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
                State capitalism. Not communism. Learn the story.

                - Well, China has not changed its ideology and will not change it. In this case, the communist ideology for China plays the role of a national idea, but on the example of Russia we see (or saw, it seems, Russia finally came up with a national idea, Putin voiced it as building the Russian world) that without a national idea, the country is without a helm, just Doesn't know where to go and what to achieve. The communist idea is still working in China, and what kind of socioeconomic formation in China is in reality and in fact now is the tenth, if not the thirtieth. By the way, the communist idea proclaimed a ban on private ownership of the means of production, but this does not mean at all that the means of production can be exclusively in state ownership. There is also the so-called collective ownership, various forms of cooperation, etc. - they are just the communist ideology is not denied. Can you quote a quote from the works of Lenin about cooperatives that are real schools of communism? Or do you remember if you studied at the Soviet university, and there the study of the works of Marx and Lenin was just the main subjects.
                By the way, it is easy to see that in most firms and firms, which we call private, there are actually a large number of co-owners, founders, and therefore, in fact - these firms and firms are in collective ownership. So what you called state capitalism in China is hard to understand. Who and how justified this kind of incomprehensible socio-economic formation?
                But the difficulty of understanding does not prevent you from telling you that you are NOT RIGHT. This is about China.
                As for "jumping through eras" - I don't think that such a jump is the main reason for the collapse of the USSR. This kind of leaps over the epochs when the people are not ready is basically impossible. It's just that the communists, alas, did not cope with the main task - the education and formation of a new person. A person for whom work is a necessary need and pleasure, and not a heavy daily duty. To do this, you need to create the following conditions: if you don’t want, don’t work. All the same, you will be full, shod, dressed. But really, let's do this thought experiment. What then, what will the majority of the population do in this case? There are different comments, and for some reason all my friends think very badly of people. Well, like, then nothing will dalat, rustle around and so on until the end of their days. I think there will be some. I think there will be some that get drunk. But most of them will spend three months on vacation, and then they will want to do something, something and something will overwhelm them. I experienced it myself. Somehow I was left without work, but I still had attendants - I had enough to live on. So, two months later, he began to invent projects and work on their implementation. This is the very "communist labor" about which Lenin wrote. But in reality, what has he degenerated into in the USSR? What is a necessary episode in a person's life, that he would have matured to such labor, was called "Parasitism" and began to be imprisoned. In general, to be honest, the idea of ​​COMMUNISM is a good idea, but the embodiment was only partially realized. But even what happened only partially was ENOUGH to seriously improve the world. Remind you that out of fear in front of the specter of communism, the West began to modernize its social policy, and now many social innovations are now considered as a matter of course in any little-developed state? Well, what does the collapse of the epochs have to do with it? Well, I don't see the connection.
              2. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 25 March 2014 04: 59
                0
                toilets and violence, this is real ..
          2. vezunchik
            vezunchik 24 March 2014 20: 53
            +5
            and Ilyich wrote in 1922 that nations cannot be drastically dragged from feudalism to communism. A long historical period is needed. But on the other side of the throne, if Stalin had not carried out industrialization so quickly, how and with what Russia would have fought with Germany ??
            1. Alexey Prikazchikov
              24 March 2014 20: 56
              +2
              and Ilyich wrote in 1922 that nations cannot be drastically dragged from feudalism to communism


              Only after all pulled out all the same. But there was another misfortune. Already then there was an understanding that a war would come to us. And the communists simply solved the current historical tasks.

              But on the other side of the throne, if Stalin had not carried out industrialization so quickly, how and with what Russia would have fought with Germany ??


              And who is arguing with this?
              1. vezunchik
                vezunchik 24 March 2014 21: 20
                +5
                If you remember the story - in 1923 he retired for health reasons. All pro-Western rats like Trotsky Kamenev Zinoviev rykoy and others like them have seized power. And only by the end of the 30s, Stalin was able to tear them off the "boobs"
                In the late 70s, Den Xiao Ping began reforms in China, writing that he did not move away from Ilyich, but continued that Ilyich did not have time. And Kasygin and Andropov also spoke out for reform. Only Saratov Suslov and slime dishes were against it.
                By the way, the well-known Ayatskov became advisers to the Saratov governor ...
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            3. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 25 March 2014 03: 42
              +2
              Quote: vezunchik
              and Ilyich wrote in 1922

              I didn’t write this ... laughing
              But finally, it was Plekhanov who ate baldness on this subject to Ulyanov-Lenin shortly before the October revolution, for which he was excommunicated ...
              In 1922, the leader of the world proletariat "regained his sight" - only fought off the intervention, and then the peasants began to "indulge in uprisings".
          3. 1976AG
            1976AG 25 March 2014 04: 12
            0
            China has not collapsed.
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      2. avg
        avg 24 March 2014 19: 25
        +2
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        For example, after antiquity there was the Middle Ages and then the revival.

        How, then, is Ukraine sliding back into the Middle Ages?
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          24 March 2014 19: 29
          +1
          How, then, is Ukraine sliding back into the Middle Ages?


          Well, you understand that they helped her slide down? The same Maidan, just think how much money was spent on its maintenance.
          1. avg
            avg 24 March 2014 22: 08
            +1
            Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
            Well, you understand that they helped her slide down?

            The entire world history, basically, consists of such acts of "mutual assistance". No wonder one of the favorite expressions of the "world democratizers" is "to bomb the stone age."
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      3. vezunchik
        vezunchik 24 March 2014 20: 50
        +2
        the trouble is that bandits are in power, they can only steal and kill. 200 activators were bought in Saratov and cars are being driven to the end! And what else is this if not legalized banditry? Roads were made last year, and the snow came off and the asphalt came off ...
        Leshchenko pleased me, began to build houses for large families for his brush, otherwise the business show would be torn off of us and sent for a cardon.
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          24 March 2014 20: 59
          +1
          the trouble is that bandits are in power, they can only steal and kill. 200 activators were bought in Saratov and cars are being driven to the end!

          Unfortunately, corruption cannot be destroyed, but can be reduced to a reasonable minimum. And most importantly, mitigate the consequences of it. By forcing bureaucrats to purchase goods and services with stolen money purely in the Russian Federation.

          Roads were made last year, and the snow came off and the asphalt came off ...


          This is not corruption, it only says that you need to invest in the construction industry and, most importantly, work on legislation.
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      4. 1976AG
        1976AG 25 March 2014 04: 08
        0
        On the Maidan there were those who earned money and those who wanted higher salaries. Those who worked out money (mercenaries), everything is clear with them. And those who want higher salaries should understand that nobody will pay them just like that, and the European Union does not need industrial competition from Ukraine. Do not believe? Look at other EU members except Germany. They are happy? Draw conclusions.
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    3. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 25 March 2014 05: 02
      0
      nonsense and not an article, downshifter wrote .. and the Glory of Russia does not save, some kind of analogy skips like glory to the heroes
  2. Committee
    Committee 24 March 2014 18: 29
    +13
    We have never trudged in the rearguard of history. How strange it is - "we are just entering modernity" - and who was the first to fly into space?
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      24 March 2014 18: 34
      -18%
      Compare well-groomed cities in Europe and our monstrous monsters. And you will understand WHERE we are weaving.
      1. a52333
        a52333 24 March 2014 18: 57
        +3
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        Compare well-groomed cities in Europe and our monstrous monsters.

        And what, in your opinion, postmodernism = the number of paving slabs?

        And about
        monstrous monsters.
        I don’t know where and how you live, but I don’t think so. In our city (and in the region) everything is in FULL order of
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        2. Alexey Prikazchikov
          24 March 2014 19: 16
          -6
          And what, in your opinion, postmodernism = the number of paving slabs?


          Reread the article.

          I don’t know where and how you live, but I don’t think so. In our city (and in the region) everything is in FULL order


          You just have not seen anything better. You have nothing to compare. Arabs living in their shit also believe that everything is the way.
          1. from punk
            from punk 24 March 2014 19: 30
            +1
            Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
            You just have not seen anything better. You have nothing to compare. Arabs living in their shit also believe that everything is the way.

            in the city of Detroit, it’s also kind of clean and shaved. but the residents don’t have money and the authorities are fines for an untidy lawn. But you can’t pay welcome for community service, paint the police station or repair something because there is no money in the fire department and the authorities. here around the unemployed, gratis slave force
            1. Alexey Prikazchikov
              24 March 2014 19: 48
              -1
              in the city of Detroit, it’s also kind of clean and shaved. but the residents don’t have money and the authorities are fines for an untidy lawn. But you can’t pay welcome for community service, paint the police station or repair something because there is no money in the fire department and the authorities. here around the unemployed, gratis slave force


              Don't confuse warm with soft. Detroit is an exception and yet a vivid example of "friendship of peoples" and socialism. If so interesting, read why he became so. you will not write blunt kaments.
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          2. Samurai3X
            Samurai3X 24 March 2014 20: 26
            +7
            So I have been to many cities ... In Seattle, Anacortes (Washington state), Berlin, Munich, London. I live in the city of Lomnosov, Petrodvorets district of St. Petersburg.
            So, maybe their roads are more direct, the buildings are more ideal, the motorways are not uneven, but I very clearly remembered that in Germany everybody thumps right after work, every day. In the USA, the unemployed and just the homeless are fucked up ... They’re just around the corner! And all this is visible only from the car window! This is a society of individualists who are poher at all but themselves ...
            Maybe we still have not Western standards of living, but I'm glad that they are not like that ...
            I do not want such standards. Their society is painful, and this is incurable.
            This is such a cycle ... How many times did pederasty and permissiveness come to power in the West? Rome, the era of the "Renaissance", where it was the same, only more secretly. Here we are again doing our own ...
            Therefore, in order to walk along the beautiful cobblestones and see what even rows of tiles are on the houses, I do not want our people to sell their souls and decay alive ...
            1. Alexey Prikazchikov
              24 March 2014 20: 30
              +1
              . In the USA, the unemployed and just the homeless are fucked up ... They’re just around the corner! And all this is visible only from the car window!
              Maybe we still have not Western standards of living, but I'm glad that they are not like that ...


              So this should be used. This is good for us. They must take all the best from them and leave them gamble that's all. I myself do not want the degradation of our nation. But this does not mean that we must praise.
              1. Samurai3X
                Samurai3X 25 March 2014 14: 09
                +1
                Of course, Americans have a lot to learn in terms of creating civilian products. We have all the best stuffed into the Army. The only normal car is the Volga.
                But to adopt their education system, culture (modern), medicine - it's like inserting a double-barreled barrel into your mouth ...
                And another fact is more than 80% of Americans live on loans. They live in small apartments, they have little clothes, because at any moment the bailiffs can come and say "Get out!"
                They should not be admired, but sympathized. There is now the most natural slavery of the 21 century. Normally lives about 15-20% of the population.
                Those who write that everything is shitty with us, you have not seen ordinary American towns. It is only necessary to move away from New York at 100 km ... And there everything is already bad ...
              2. Penzyac
                Penzyac 26 March 2014 22: 00
                0
                Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
                . In the USA, the unemployed and just the homeless are fucked up ... They’re just around the corner! And all this is visible only from the car window!
                Maybe we still have not Western standards of living, but I'm glad that they are not like that ...


                So this should be used. This is good for us. They must take all the best from them and leave them gamble that's all. I myself do not want the degradation of our nation. But this does not mean that we must praise.


                Then we will become like them (the West), simply instead of private or individual selfishness, you offer collective and national selfishness.
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            3. Penzyac
              Penzyac 26 March 2014 21: 56
              0
              Quote: Samurai3X
              So I have been to many cities ...
              ...
              Therefore, in order to walk along the beautiful cobblestones and see what even rows of tiles are on the houses, I do not want our people to sell their souls and decay alive ...


              Bravo! Thanks for such koment.
          3. blonde
            blonde 24 March 2014 22: 23
            0
            What are the Arabs? A friend recently returned from Iran in complete rapture. It’s really great there! And the terms modernism-postmodernism in relation to politics are nonsense. Article is just a concussion
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      2. Orik
        Orik 24 March 2014 19: 49
        +6
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        Compare well-groomed cities in Europe and our monstrous monsters. And you will understand WHERE we are weaving.

        It has long been compared and not in their favor. My mother, fulfilling a dream and going to Paris, said Peter no worse and cleaner, and Peterhof is cooler than Versailles.
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          24 March 2014 19: 59
          -10%
          It has long been compared and not in their favor. My mother, fulfilling a dream and going to Paris, said Peter no worse and cleaner, and Peterhof is cooler than Versailles.

          Benelux countries, Germany, Scandinavia and further down the list.

          Yes, if you consider the walls of St. Petersburg as the norm, then there’s nothing to talk to me with you. And here Paris covers Peter like a bull to a sheep.
          1. cognitive
            cognitive 25 March 2014 00: 10
            +3
            Paris say Versailles ... well
            Ask how many toilets are in Versailles, and why tapestries shit smell like shit
          2. 1976AG
            1976AG 25 March 2014 04: 24
            +1
            It is correct to spell "Paris" and "Peter"! And about the sheep, I hope you yourself will understand. You were not the only one in Paris, if you were.
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      3. NDR-791
        NDR-791 24 March 2014 20: 12
        +4
        Have you ever been to Palermo? Well, or at least in the same New York, in Harlem? Or for example in Tahoe? When a cop at a post sells drugs, somehow you don’t really believe in postmodernity, even in the days of hippies it wasn’t.
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          24 March 2014 20: 25
          -1
          Have you ever been to Palermo? Well, or at least in the same New York, in Harlem? Or for example in Tahoe? When a cop at a post sells drugs, somehow you don’t really believe in postmodernity, even in the days of hippies it wasn’t.


          Once again, bad areas are everywhere. But when 80% of the country looks like a harlem, this is already a little different story.
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      4. RONIN-HS
        RONIN-HS 24 March 2014 20: 51
        +7
        And I will not compare. They have an average distance between average production centers and consumption centers of 500 km, in Russia (USSR) - 1000 km! And also the climate - our winter is almost 2 times longer and 60% of our territory is permafrost. Plus, the climate - they have a coastal sea, with us almost everywhere - sharply continental. Their peasant can carry out 8 agricultural work in the fields per year. We have no more than 4's.
        And the article is from the piggy bank of the blasphemy of doctrine, not to be confused with verbiage (the latter, for personal pleasure). And this one - albeit NOT EXPRESSLY, but issued to receive certain benefits.
        And in general - we do not weave, but live in ourselves, and we will live! When it comes to all RUSSIAN-speakers, that we are putting order in our territory. We don’t go to Canada, nor do Mexico. Putin is simply gathering Russians together. Good luck to him and to all of us! good
      5. RND
        RND 24 March 2014 20: 56
        +5
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        Compare well-groomed cities in Europe and our monstrous monsters. And you will understand WHERE we are weaving.

        Better to trudge than to jump in well-groomed cities ...
        1. jktu66
          jktu66 25 March 2014 00: 52
          +3
          hto ne jump that m ... b! good photo about the future maydanutyh!
      6. Docent1984
        Docent1984 24 March 2014 20: 59
        +8
        Compare. Have you tried to move a kilometer from the center of London? I have not seen such a srach in any of our cities. Or maybe you call Paris well-groomed? This is not even funny. And in the same Krasnoyarsk you will not find pieces of paper on the sidewalk. And there are many such examples. So you throw indiscriminate phrases without knowledge of the subject. Bold minus.
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      8. kocclissi
        kocclissi 24 March 2014 22: 42
        0
        http://malech.narod.ru/evr.html



        http://erofeevigorunya.wordpress.com/2013/04/07/hygiene-in-medieval-europe/Ту
      9. 1976AG
        1976AG 25 March 2014 04: 11
        +1
        Go out and put things in order in your city.
      10. Penzyac
        Penzyac 26 March 2014 21: 49
        0
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        Compare well-groomed cities in Europe and our monstrous monsters. And you will understand WHERE we are weaving.


        Compare overpopulated Europe with its colonies and semi-colonies on the one hand, and the vast sparsely populated expanses of Russia without plundering dependent countries on the other. At the same time, look at the behavior of the "civilized" people at home, in the West and their behavior in other countries, feel the difference.
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    3. Penzyac
      Penzyac 26 March 2014 21: 40
      0
      Absolutely right! The article is interesting, but controversial. We have not lagged behind the West, we are just going the other way, lagging behind in some ways, ahead of us in some ways, backward in some ways, and in some ways breaking far ahead. If we rely on the author’s theory of modernism and postmodernism, then, in fact, the founders of both modernism and postmodernism, we managed to combine modernism and postmodernism in the Soviet period, and now we just made a digression to rethink and regroup, and Ukraine simply decided to spit on our own historical experience and return to the European XIX century to go all over again, but according to other people's patterns. No one has proven the loyalty of the western path, external well-being is not an indicator, today it is, and tomorrow it is not guaranteed. The only thing in which the West, perhaps, has reached perfection is in self-promotion and advertising in general.
  3. saag
    saag 24 March 2014 18: 32
    +4
    The play is a play for those who see external manifestations, in Ukraine there is a struggle of the capital that financed the Maidan against Russia, take an interest in the sponsors of the Maidan
  4. Siberian19
    Siberian19 24 March 2014 18: 33
    +4
    each country has its own story! There are ups and downs because history is cyclical! hi
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 24 March 2014 18: 47
      +6
      Quote: Siberian19
      each country has its own story! There are ups and downs because history is cyclical!

      I do not agree a bit - the history is cyclical only in some countries - for example, in Russia and China, in many respects in India, this is apparently due to some kind of civilizational peculiarities. In the West, everything is different - there development is faster than ours, but then there comes a period of stagnation and there is an inevitable and inevitable fall, from which they no longer come - the clearest example of the Roman Empire, the Holy Roman Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, etc. For example, Russia was a superpower in the era of the empire, the empire collapsed, the USSR arose - also became a superpower after a fairly short period of time, the USSR collapsed, the Russian Federation remains, does it have a chance to become a superpower again? There are, and with which there are many signs (pah pah, do not jinx wink ) that this chance is realized. But England was the "Holy" British Empire, and now what is it? That's right, although it is a rich and prosperous country, but politically and militarily, in terms of influence on world affairs, we can already say that nothing is a loyal mongrel of the United States, and even with the prospects of financial well-being, not everything is cloudless there, there is a danger of destruction of culture and a sharp change ethnic composition. Does it have the ability to become a superpower again? Again, it is clear that no, just go in the wake of more powerful countries. So the choice of Ukraine in favor of Europe is like the joy of buying a ticket to the Titanic and the anticipation of emigration to "happy America", only this situation is all the more absurd since the Titanic is already in full swing ...
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 26 March 2014 22: 25
      0
      Quote: Siberian19
      each country has its own story! There are ups and downs because history is cyclical! hi


      By the way, all the ups of Ukraine are connected with Russia (Russia), in non-Russian times there were only falls.
  5. ZU-23
    ZU-23 24 March 2014 18: 35
    +3
    In Ukraine, people’s just brainwashed, because it’s not in vain that even the Russian media imposed a blockade. If they had Russian Internet and television, then there would be idiots just as much as in our fifth nano column. The more such outrage the worse for all of us.
  6. ShtyrliTTS
    ShtyrliTTS 24 March 2014 18: 38
    +2
    [b] And our misfortune is that there are postmodern islands in our country as well - this is the intelligentsia and a significant part of the population of Moscow [/ b
    the author is burning. It was necessary to propose cutting the intelligentsia, as Stalin did.
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      24 March 2014 18: 41
      +3
      the author is burning. It was necessary to propose cutting the intelligentsia, as Stalin did.


      Firstly, Stalin did not cut out the intelligentsia. Secondly, cutting is not an option. And thirdly, where is he wrong?
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  7. via75
    via75 24 March 2014 18: 42
    +5
    article minus
    Why compare the Russian people and those who are on the Maidan. The Ukrainian people are not there. There now traitors of their people stand for money. Who really wanted a better life for Ukraine is already gone
    1. O_RUS
      O_RUS 24 March 2014 23: 34
      +1
      Quote: via75
      The Ukrainian people are not there.


      yah? Are you seriously?
  8. Signaller
    Signaller 24 March 2014 18: 42
    +3
    Russia - lags behind the West in historical terms by the era, but right now it is great. When we had a traditional society (back in the days of the USSR) - the West was modern, which ensured its dominance of the world. Now the West has moved into postmodern, while we are moving into modern.
    You still say that fagots is a normal state of a person, and we will come to this. ?????
    Yes, think gentleman, it’s they who remained in the Stone Age, we as a nation of PEOPLE have remained. And they were like a nation PEDIKOV- so they remained. And most importantly, this image and they want to impose.
    Well, the pipes.
    History and our writers, our culture, our Orthodox religion now, and in the 19th, 20th and 21st centuries, have always been at their best. Well, there were periods of persecution. There were. But always in Russia, man was man.
    And the fact that they now want to impose-break off the dust swallow.
  9. rkkasa xnumx
    rkkasa xnumx 24 March 2014 18: 46
    +3
    Modern is postmodern. Uncle, tell me better where we are stronger, where they are. And if we are behind somewhere, how can this be fixed, what needs to be done for this, what measures to take. And so - an article about nothing
    1. lana044
      lana044 25 March 2014 00: 35
      +1
      Yes, Russia has never lagged anywhere and never! Russia goes its own way and it infuriates many. The history of Russia totals millennia of statehood, which Europe took from her, having misinterpreted everything that is possible. But, no matter how much the rope does not curl, the end is near.
      And again the times of greatness of the RUSSIAN WORLD come. And let Europe go its own way in questionably clean cities and a poor population ...
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 25 March 2014 04: 18
        +1
        Correctly! Better garbage in the streets than in the heads and souls of men.
  10. Astartes
    Astartes 24 March 2014 18: 49
    +3
    And how to create this elite ?? she grows up ?? so weeds do not grow out of weeds and they turn out, or maybe you want to grow the bourgeoisie from grabbers who stole more in troubled times ?? also does not come out, from a rotten seed does not see a good tribe. I wish Afanasyev wrote in his books how to grow this elite. And everyone can throw calls.
  11. Vadim12
    Vadim12 24 March 2014 18: 51
    +4
    A significant part of Moscow is postmodern. Is it visitors from all provinces and Central Asia or what? Something does not fit.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 26 March 2014 22: 50
      0
      Quote: Vadim12
      A significant part of Moscow is postmodern. Is it visitors from all provinces and Central Asia or what? Something does not fit.


      Postmodern Moscow - office "hamsters", compradors and bohemians, and visitors, in general, just - modern.
      As I already wrote, we manage to combine modernity with postmodernism, the exception is the 90s, when we rushed headlong into postmodernity and quickly and successfully consumed the fat accumulated by modernity. The West has yet to fully enjoy the results of postmodernism, so that we do not lag behind the West by epoch, but we are ahead of it by epoch. Some economic lag is not explained by the possibility for us to rob third countries, we can only rely on domestic opportunities (almost Chuch-Khe). The main thing for us is not to try to copy the west, however, as well as the east.
  12. Cetegg
    Cetegg 24 March 2014 18: 51
    +5
    The author, do not smoke anymore!) And then you’ll confuse surrealism and post-impressionism!)
  13. Altona
    Altona 24 March 2014 18: 56
    +5
    We must form the national bourgeoisie, the national political elite, the national financial and productive capital - and only then, we must come to Europe.
    ---------------------------------
    Are you crazy about chtoli? We had the Soviet Union, which merged the mercenary and venal elite and grabbed its assets into our pockets ... We need to return justice to society, not modern and postmodern ... Postmodern in a nutshell is when everything is there, but money has there is no majority and almost all are engaged in divorcing each other for money ...
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      24 March 2014 19: 13
      -5
      Are you crazy about chtoli? We had the Soviet Union, which merged the mercenary and venal elite and grabbed its assets into our pockets ... We need to return justice to society, not modern and postmodern ... Postmodern in a nutshell is when everything is there, but money has there is no majority and almost all are engaged in divorcing each other for money ...


      You are raving.
      1. Altona
        Altona 24 March 2014 20: 25
        +2
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        You are raving.

        ----------------------------
        Probably ... But at least I don't write "epoch-making modern" science-like things ...
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          24 March 2014 20: 27
          -1
          Probably ... But at least I don't write "epoch-making modern" science-like things ...


          The term "modern" is used from sociology to architecture.
          1. Altona
            Altona 24 March 2014 21: 34
            +1
            Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
            The term "modern" is used from sociology to architecture.

            ------------------------------
            I am aware, and for a long time ... Do not have a bad habit of speaking in a mentor tone and teaching others ... Your opinion is understandable, but this does not mean that I have to agree with him ... Postmodern is seen in a slightly different light ... I have already very vulgarly explained to you what it is in my understanding ... Global deception of each other, the next stage of capitalism, capitalism squared or even in a cube, with the strengthening of all the negative aspects (monopolism, imperialism, globalism, financial instruments), acute polarization of the world ... If you need it, then for God's sake, but fire me ...
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  14. Quantum
    Quantum 24 March 2014 19: 02
    +8
    In Ukraine, not only brainwashed, but also farmer's stupidity. If, in the southeast, people work as expected for a working person, then the mind
    Western Ukrainian, making money for a cozy house in his native
    farmstead, this idea is fixed. Hence, their statements about the east, and about
    Russian, they say they won’t be shy, lazy, etc. I heard this even when I served
    Lviv, during the Soviet Union. This meekness shows through them everywhere, any site
    from Ternopil or Lviv, literally crammed with proud tales of Svidomo
    and disgusting examples from the life of eastern Ukrainians and Russians.
    These are other people, unlike other Ukrainians. And now, these raguli
    revel in their power, dream of a rich life in Geyevrop.
    And the EU is not in a hurry to get rich Ukraine. Of the promised tens of billions,
    emit 1 billion 150 million., Of which 80% are debt securities. Golden rain!
    So, go ahead, lads, to the EU, however, they are not waiting for you there!
  15. konvalval
    konvalval 24 March 2014 19: 08
    0
    Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
    Compare well-groomed cities in Europe and our monstrous monsters. And you will understand WHERE we are weaving.

    Especially Kiev. Tse Europe.
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      24 March 2014 19: 14
      0
      Especially Kiev. Tse Europe


      Reread the article. It says. That Ukrainians are trying to jump over themselves by not accumulating fat.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 26 March 2014 23: 20
        0
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        Especially Kiev. Tse Europe


        Reread the article. It says. That Ukrainians are trying to jump over themselves by not accumulating fat.


        Fat is good only for hibernation, any bear would tell you that if it could speak, but fat tends to end. And if the fat is over, but the desire to work did not appear, then what? Ukrainization?
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  16. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov 24 March 2014 19: 11
    0
    Art Nouveau post-modern conventions all this is Bulk / by the way a suitable surname: heaped something, it stinks! / Failed because they called to break, and in Russia there is already nothing to break.
    In Ukraine, people were tired of hopelessness, and they were shown extremes and were left behind in paradise. And this was already in Germany in the 30s with the same result! Yes, and now they are actively searching for extreme extremes in geyrop. So, there are only eggs. They only lived in Ukraine worse and are looking for stronger
  17. mig31
    mig31 24 March 2014 19: 12
    0
    IMPOSSIBLE MAIDAN. If you could be forgiven, you can be forgiven, but there is definitely NO such! They didn’t finish at 40-50, finish today ...
  18. delfinN
    delfinN 24 March 2014 19: 15
    +2
    Ukraine is a safari for them,
    without feeling the country
    watching all these hari
    Now I only want one:
    I don’t dream about summer already,
    I don’t want either merchants or riches -
    I want one in the world:
    I want you to die, scum.
    He comes, visible and rosary,
    edge, when only one is necessary:
    no salaries, no grub, no clothes,
    and that you died, you bastards !!!
    We are not blinded, are not deaf
    how not to fight in a PR burn -
    we will answer you so you die!
    So that you all rested creatures!
    No dogs in uniform will save you
    no troops, no courts, no gangs,
    your place in animal corrals,
    and not here, but in the sands of Uganda.
    We will ventilate the country from the stench,
    lustful stench and sperm,
    with God's help we will come out of hell
    I'll click on the trigger first !!!!
  19. Alexey Prikazchikov
    24 March 2014 19: 17
    -2
    In short, I posted the article in vain. Once again, the wrong audience is convinced of this.
    1. A. Yaga
      A. Yaga 24 March 2014 19: 42
      +1
      Hmm. Some kind of nonsense, not an article.
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        24 March 2014 19: 48
        0
        Hmm. Some kind of nonsense, not an article.


        Justify.
        1. A. Yaga
          A. Yaga 24 March 2014 20: 20
          +1
          Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
          Justify.

          You yourself justified everything:
          Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
          In short, I posted the article in vain. Once again, the wrong audience is convinced of this.
        2. RONIN-HS
          RONIN-HS 24 March 2014 21: 14
          +3
          Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
          Justify.

          "... If you say a pig to a person 300 times, then he grunts ..." This is a German proverb. Or the words of some of their leaders.
          That, remember - We have already drank our share of shit, counting from the 1987 of the year. 27 years of daily mockery of the people when they spat on literally every day and hour of Russian history. We went through everything, reviewed everything, and howled for thousands of votes and howl that we are nothing. For sociologists, 25 years is considered the change of social eras, or generations.
          The main loss of the Russian people is TIME, maliciously stolen from us!
          It's time to pay the bills. We do not want to delve into the history, and our shortcomings. You just need to collect the Russian people and - Plus oultra! Only forward! good
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    2. Sledgehammer
      Sledgehammer 24 March 2014 20: 00
      0
      Did you doubt it? :)
    3. AVIATOR36662
      AVIATOR36662 25 March 2014 00: 53
      +1
      Absolutely normal article. And the rating is almost 50/50. What could be better if so many people understood ?! 5 points.
    4. Penzyac
      Penzyac 26 March 2014 23: 25
      0
      Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
      In short, I posted the article in vain. Once again, the wrong audience is convinced of this.


      Again, you are wrong, the article was just laid out not in vain, it provides food for discussion, so the article is a plus.
  20. parus2nik
    parus2nik 24 March 2014 19: 19
    +3
    A performance takes place in which a significant part of society is participating.
    And what did you want ... The whole world is a theater, and the people in it are actors .. V. Shakespeare .. But in the post-modern world .. the world is a mental hospital, and the people in it are patients ..
  21. wandlitz
    wandlitz 24 March 2014 19: 26
    +1
    Yes, we are here and they are there, we are different ...
  22. Ulairy
    Ulairy 24 March 2014 19: 36
    0
    Much of what is happening there is perceived as "mad with fat" - but they have fat! They made it just in the era of their own modernity. Without going the same way as they, "skipping" over the era, we will ensure for ourselves a national catastrophe, as Ukraine provides for itself.

    As for me, they are not "mad about fat", but from permissiveness, destroying self-identity. Modern, postmodern are just labels attached to whole societies. What about the fact that these societies developed in different conditions? Someone from ancient times fought for their lives with nature and external enemies, and someone was lying under a palm tree and ate bananas (self-falling). Maybe we are lagging behind by the epoch in terms of technical equipment, this is not something that is why it is worth falling into marasmic arguments about the "movement of peoples". But the Russians are more likely to die out than become impoverished in spirit and "self-identification", and "postmodernists" and others like them are more likely to become cosmopolitan asexual entities mumbling about tolerance and permissiveness ... Minus the article, two minuses for those who think that such criteria are possible "measure" the people.
  23. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 24 March 2014 20: 01
    +2
    How different are we, because after 23 years we were brainwashed in the so-called Ukraine, we Russians, surviving in the nightmarish 90s, who were fully faced with the manifestations of separatism, on the contrary realized that we only represent power when we are together. in Crimea, I was reminded, oddly enough, an officer of the Chechen battalion in Kerch. It’s not easy to forget the negative past, it was! But now we need to build a new Russia, the mother for all the peoples living in it, if we want to see it GREAT, where the law will be valid for everyone and everyone.
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      24 March 2014 20: 06
      +2
      How different are we, because after 23 years we were brainwashed in the so-called Ukraine, we Russians, surviving in the nightmarish 90s, who were fully faced with the manifestations of separatism, on the contrary realized that we only represent power when we are together. in Crimea, I was reminded, oddly enough, an officer of the Chechen battalion in Kerch. It’s not easy to forget the negative past, it was! But now we need to build a new Russia, the mother for all the peoples living in it, if we want to see it GREAT, where the law will be valid for everyone and everyone.


      In general, I agree. But the Ukrainians worked so well on Bosko that there was very little Russian left in them.
      1. fif21
        fif21 24 March 2014 21: 15
        +1
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        In general, I agree. But the Ukrainians worked so well on Bosko that there was very little Russian left in them.
        Lech is not dust. Yes we are Scythians, yes we are Asians! I do not want to defend the author, but he says in the article that Ukraine is just beggars compared to the EU, and who needs beggars?
        But!!! In Ukraine, the oligarchs rule, and even by European standards they are not poor people. These oligarchs are afraid of the Russians as a devil of incense. Russian gangsters, I apologize, the komersants will take away ALL of what they feed from. Therefore, they climb into Europe, and as always they don’t give a damn about people.
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  24. NDR-791
    NDR-791 24 March 2014 20: 01
    +1
    and the transition to a rational modern society. A society of logic, Enlightenment, a society where the mind prevails over the senses. The West has already passed this.

    Tell Mendeleev, Lomonosov, Koshkin, Grabin, Kurchatov, Korolev, Tupolev about this ...
    Is it a West or an Enlightenment Society? Many have been enlightened from Indians and Hindus to Iraqis and Syrians.
    Rave!!! Article minus.
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      24 March 2014 20: 08
      0
      Tell Mendeleev, Lomonosov, Koshkin, Grabin, Kurchatov, Korolev, Tupolev about this ...
      Is it a West or an Enlightenment Society? Many have been enlightened from Indians and Hindus to Iraqis and Syrians.
      Rave!!! Article minus.





      All is well, beautiful marquise; just write this message on a computer invented in the West, through a network invented in the West and software created in the West.
      1. nizrum
        nizrum 24 March 2014 20: 55
        +2
        So in the USSR there was a different policy, if we made our own computer, then it would be accessible to everyone at once and would not cost 3-4 salaries as the first iPhones.
        And why, then, aircraft developed in the Soviet Union were 10-20 years ahead of their foreign counterparts?
        We have our own way, and do not compare it with the western one. We have repeatedly missed entire eras, for example slavery ... which in fact we did not have at all.
        In addition, it is necessary to separate the cultural and man-made eras, we often missed the cultural making a breakthrough in man-made.

        In general, this is more of a philosophical question and you can argue about it endlessly))) It’s easier to admit that we have our own path and we must go along it and don’t turn to anyone))
        1. Alexey Prikazchikov
          24 March 2014 21: 06
          0
          So in the USSR there was a different policy, if we made our own computer, then it would be accessible to everyone at once and would not cost 3-4 salaries as the first iPhones.


          Why didn’t you do that?

          And why then the aircraft designed
          in the Soviet Union 10-20 years ahead of foreign analogues?


          Why then didn’t anyone need such wonderful planes after the collapse of the union?

          We have our own way, and do not compare it with the western one. We have repeatedly missed entire eras, for example slavery ... which in fact we did not have at all.


          This means that we are banging our heads against the wall wasting our potential. Only sustainable post-frog development gives profit, and not "hto do not jump that mosk ... l".

          It’s easier to admit that we have our own path and we must go along it and do not turn our backs on anyone))


          That's exactly what is easier. But it is necessary not easier, but to develop slowly, but surely how to go to your goal as a skating rink. But not to build an empire then to abandon and begin to build communism then to abandon it and begin to build democracy. At least something must be brought to the end.
          1. nizrum
            nizrum 24 March 2014 21: 19
            +2
            Why didn’t you do that?

            So they fell apart ... (somewhere I saw pictures with a Soviet mobile phone)

            Why then didn’t anyone need such wonderful planes after the collapse of the union?

            Why not needed? still fly for a moment21 ... and again they fell apart ... there was no one to do .. plants began to cut ...

            This means that we are banging our heads against the wall wasting our potential. Only sustainable post-froth development gives profit, and not "hto not jump that mos ...

            And who has gradual development? Europe? Which was destroyed during World War II? They already wrote that history is cyclical, we have ups and downs with Europe, these cycles do not coincide and that’s all))

            That's exactly what is easier. But it is necessary not easier, but to develop slowly, but surely how to go to your goal as a skating rink. But not to build an empire then to abandon and begin to build communism then to abandon it and begin to build democracy. At least something must be brought to the end.

            So the "western partners" are constantly helping us)) If it were not for them, they would still be an empire))
            But seriously, we need a state program that does not change from a change of power.
            But even more serious, Russia has always made jerks when a strong leader came to power.
          2. jktu66
            jktu66 25 March 2014 01: 20
            +2
            Where does Russia get such greenhouse conditions for development? So we were allowed to develop by our enemies and "allies-friends" (see the history of Russia)! For our elite over the past 100 years, three times with a bulldozer almost to zero. Throughout history they are forced to develop and fight back, and not always with constant success ...
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      2. NDR-791
        NDR-791 24 March 2014 21: 10
        +3
        Calm down, people. Here, the articles are laid out not for self-promotion, but for completely different purposes. To some extent, the ability to plus or minus obscures the very possibility of defending one’s point of view. I caught myself on this when I disagree, but there is not enough knowledge to justify.
        Respect to Norbert Wiener, of course, but "by 1983 the USSR came close to creating a global network based on a now forgotten radio socket and mobile communication" - I can be a little mistaken in words, but you can check - Vladimir Medinsky "Skeletons from the cabinet of Russian history".
        And then I served in the army at the end of the eighties, so I didn’t see the penties at the CP of the division? and I saw Sparks of the Novosibirsk assembly and components of Radio Engineering. And even our O. Indos software with the Chinese doih break. Even the graphics for Mr. Wood are more often written by us, not because it is cheaper, but because it is better. But unfortunately you are right about one thing - the iron curtain did not allow us to see through the eyes of the market, and how it was destroyed they were not ready for the fact that we would not be stroked over the head, but would be broken from the shoulder. Now we’ll unbend and accelerate. And let the old Europe woman glue the fins without our participation, the stench will be less.
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  25. NDR-791
    NDR-791 24 March 2014 20: 48
    +3
    Calm down, people. Here, the articles are laid out not for self-promotion, but for completely different purposes. To some extent, the ability to plus or minus obscures the very possibility of having and defending your point of view. I caught myself on this when I disagree, but there is not enough knowledge to justify.
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      24 March 2014 20: 53
      +4
      Calm down, people. Here the articles are laid out not for self-promotion, but for completely different purposes. To some extent, the ability to plus or minus obscures the very possibility of having and defending your point of view. I caught myself on this when I disagree, but there is not enough knowledge to justify.


      Thank you for understanding.
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  27. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 24 March 2014 21: 21
    0
    Geyropa slowly creeps into the new Middle Ages with Arab expansion.

    They do not have and will not have a new Karl Martell.

    Scandinavia is rapidly populated by Muslims.

    All hope is in Russia!

    "Push the falling one" (c) - this is me about our western neighbors.
  28. vezunchik
    vezunchik 24 March 2014 21: 25
    0
    Look and read - relevant
    http://warfiles.ru/show-50909-evromaydan-i-rossiya-otstupat-bolshe-nekuda.html
  29. shelva
    shelva 24 March 2014 21: 25
    +2
    Quote: A. Yaga
    Hmm. Some kind of nonsense, not an article.

    I agree, and it’s completely not clear - why do we need to strive for Europe so much that would justify the propagation of the bourgeois? And why are we beggars ?, it is in the West besides paper, which is like money, or nothing, but we have everything, you just have to dig.
    It is they who will strive for us when they are thrown by the Americans.
  30. nikcris
    nikcris 24 March 2014 21: 41
    +1
    "But in Ukraine the exact opposite is happening. Their logic of protest is completely incomprehensible to us: on the Maidan there is one who wants to Europe and one who wants a higher salary - and they understand each other perfectly!"
    Author, are you friends with brains? How can those who are in Europe and those who are for wages not understand each other in a poor country? What is incomprehensible to you here?
  31. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 24 March 2014 21: 45
    +1
    I repeat over and over again, yes, we are different! But I ask you to pay attention: only in Russia is it possible to have such "non-resistance to evil" that no nation in the world will tolerate. I ask myself the question, “Is it still worth it, knowing history and remembering the black ingratitude of different times and peoples, to follow this path? Let’s argue: firstly, in another way, we will not succeed and I will not even say why, and secondly, no matter how difficult it was for us (and sometimes bitterly) - people around, no matter what, reach out to Russia - in the hope of justice and a different future, and this cannot be canceled by any forces. We must all understand that we were born in the Greatest Country of the World and the only thing, what can and should lead all peoples to equality and prosperity, to the continuation of life, finally, is the prosperity of Russia.
  32. Turkir
    Turkir 24 March 2014 21: 58
    0
    Sluggish article. Terms like "post-modernism" don't save her. Thoughts are not clearly expressed, vague.
  33. Arkan
    Arkan 24 March 2014 22: 12
    +1
    A performance takes place in which a significant part of society is participating.


    Farce called "Independence. Final". In the foreground, a disfigured city, actors in different clothes. Part of the parterre whispers, the other part is waiting for the actors on the stage to finish playing their roles. On the move, not a word.
  34. Rost_a
    Rost_a 24 March 2014 22: 12
    +1
    Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
    Have you ever been to Palermo? Well, or at least in the same New York, in Harlem? Or for example in Tahoe? When a cop at a post sells drugs, somehow you don’t really believe in postmodernity, even in the days of hippies it wasn’t.


    Once again, bad areas are everywhere. But when 80% of the country looks like a harlem, this is already a little different story.

    Sorry, but it looks like "a pig will find dirt everywhere" ...
    About the fact that Paris Peter is hiding like a sheep - why all of a sudden ?? One comparison of the metro of Paris and St. Petersburg - just shows the level of culture, and it is not in favor of Paris.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 26 March 2014 23: 47
      0
      Quote Rost_a
      "Sorry, but it looks like" a pig will find dirt everywhere "...
      About the fact that Paris Peter is like a sheep - why all of a sudden ?? One comparison of the metro of Paris and St. Petersburg - just shows the level of culture, and it is not in favor of Paris. "

      Indeed, the pig will find dirt, so you look for where it’s dirtier with us, and they tell you that you can find the opposite examples. For example, compare the metro of Paris and Moscow (the most beautiful in the world), the comparison will not be in favor of Paris.
  35. kare
    kare 24 March 2014 22: 37
    0
    The author is latent, suppressed pi.derast. He invented the era, named in his own way. Everyone rushed to discuss. Tikhonichko led us all to his fatal conclusion that altering the fly to the asses is an inevitable historical process.
    Mud am
  36. kocclissi
    kocclissi 24 March 2014 23: 01
    0
    Evropa jumped well!
  37. rkty666
    rkty666 24 March 2014 23: 08
    0
    Everything is relative in the world. Among the rich, very few are happy. But it’s better to be rich, but healthy.
  38. family tree
    family tree 24 March 2014 23: 55
    +2
    And our misfortune is that there are postmodern islands in our country as well - this is the intelligentsia and a significant part of the population of Moscow. And our task now is DON'T LET THEM Bring Us To Poverty - and go your own way.

    It won’t work out. We, in fact, need Europe in such a state, only as a colony, and not part of Europe, and Europe will do everything to keep us in that state.
    We must make Russia great. We must form a national bourgeoisie, a national political elite, a national financial and productive capital - and only then, we must come to Europe. Most likely - on the position of the country dominating the continent.
    .
    And then we don’t need Europe anymore. And if we try to enter, let alone dominate, they will again raise a squeal about Russian barbarians.
    So that a damn does not work. If, of course, between these two extremes, having noticed that we are rising, they will not want to merge us again, by force. Then the second option is no exception what Only, here are the tanks, as it sucks with postmodernism, and not everyone will be up to it.
  39. Sergei75
    Sergei75 25 March 2014 01: 24
    +1
    Friends, I want to warn you, be careful about articles in the press, this is a method of influence. Has anyone heard of NLP? First comes the text that is generally correct and supports your line that does not diverge from your beliefs, but there is little doubt about the correctness and as soon as you agree with this, several other articles appear and from the kernel of doubt a sprout of recognition of one tiny mistake made You agree with such a statement of the question, and now there are new articles, where new sprouts of mistakes you make, with which you are already forced to agree, break through. they come from the first seed. And now the riotous overgrowth and ideology and the idea itself begin to crumble, consciousness has changed, the world has turned upside down ... So they destroyed the USSR. To defeat the Russian people, it is necessary to change its ideology ... And it is not a matter of the political system, but the very idea of ​​virtue, equality and fraternity ... and they want to exchange this idea for worship of the golden calf.
  40. Sergei75
    Sergei75 25 March 2014 01: 30
    +1
    By the way, we are communicating here on "our" territory, the neo-fascists who won in Ukraine, agitated to go to Russian Internet forums and secretly campaign for them, so maybe their methods to turn against them? Restrained, confident and grounded.
  41. Vasily Klopkov
    Vasily Klopkov 25 March 2014 01: 56
    +1
    Now, listen to what Prince Charles said:
  42. DS14
    DS14 25 March 2014 02: 25
    +1
    Europe, Amsterdam, city center, 2008. Yes, yes, it is a toilet for 4 people !!! Why not animals? I hope not to live to see such a European culture on Nevsky or Tverskaya!
  43. Rink
    Rink 25 March 2014 02: 43
    +1
    Western Ukraine - partook of the West and goes on to postmodern ...

    Yeah ... Without going into modernity, not even becoming a Soviet society. What the hell is "postmodern" ?! Poverty and the desire to live at someone else's expense. Constant sitting on the needle of subsidies, both in the USSR and in the days of "Independence". Striving for the West only because it is expected that there are more freebies. Money - that's right.
    And it was not in vain that even in Soviet times, when the party monitored the even development of regions and factories and enterprises were built like anthills, some serious industry did not arise in Western Ukraine. For the most part, Westerners do not strive for high education, science, high technology, and intellectual pursuits. They did not give either writers or engineers.

    "Listen, human cub," the bear said to Baloo, "I taught you the Law of the Jungle, but the Banderlog has no Law. The Banderlog are outcasts. They have no tongue of their own, they use stolen words. They are not our customs. They have no memory.
    They claim that they are a great nation, but a nut falls, and they all forget about it. We do not drink where the banderlogs drink, do not move along their roads, do not hunt where they are, do not die where the banderlogs die. There are many banderlogs, they are evil, dirty, have no shame, and if they have any desire, then it is the desire to be noticed in the jungle. In addition, they howl, shout meaningless songs, invite the Jungle People to climb up to them and engage in battle with them; or for no reason they start fierce fights between themselves and throw dead monkeys to where the thicket population can see these corpses.
    They are all going to choose a leader, make their own laws, come up with their own customs, but they never fulfill their plans, because their memory is not enough until the next day. "
    R. Kipling
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  45. pavelk
    pavelk 25 March 2014 05: 05
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    Strange article. We are backward and this is our strength ???
    It is necessary on the contrary to drive and choose the best.
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    "... our trouble is that there are islands of postmodernism in our country as well - they are the intelligentsia and a significant part of the population of Moscow ..."
    The intelligentsia and inhabitants of Moscow have not yet encountered "harsh" forms of "legitimate violence by the state authorities." Much more fierce "response" to peaceful demonstrators than Sabakashviley demonstrated during the protests against him (microwave ovens, psychoblacks, water cannons, excrement-irrigation machines, gas from tankers, service dogs from large kennels - driven to a frenzy). I saw the Russian Black Terrier (a special service breed) attack. It does not hang once after biting it, but continues to tear the bipedal one - like a furious cleaver.
  47. polite people 2
    polite people 2 25 March 2014 08: 11
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    Russia has chosen its own path. Yes, he was always like that. Just different at different times.