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Ukrainian army in such a state that even without a fight bears the loss

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Even a non-specialist can be seen in what a terrible state the army of Ukraine has become in two decades of "independence." After the collapse of the USSR, the armies of all the former republics rapidly degraded, and by the middle of the 90-s were a pitiful sight. And if in Russia, following the wars in Chechnya, they drew conclusions and gradually began to restore the armed forces, in Ukraine the army finally went to the bottom. The equipment was not repaired and was not updated, the best part of it was sold abroad, and trash remained at the disposal of the Ukrainian military. The soldiers and officers of the Ukrainian army have forgotten what exercises are, the use of equipment and weapons. All these years, the army was not needed by anyone. The troops quietly decomposed in military units built during the Soviet era. The country's leadership has abandoned the army to its fate. For decades politicians staged clowning in the Verkhovna Rada, led orange round dances on the Maidan, divided posts and money, and no one remembered about the armed forces.

But then it turned out that the newly-minted fascist government suddenly had an enemy, in the person of the Russian population of Novorossia and the Russian Federation, whose traditional occupation is the defeat and destruction of these very fascists. When "polite people" appeared in Crimea, Kiev realized that they had publicly spoken and passed laws quite enough for the Russians to begin to consider them fascists. And if Russians see fascists somewhere, offending someone, then very soon they come to tanks and arrange a tribunal for the fascist leadership. It was here in Kiev that they remembered about the army. The junta started rattling weapons and make one militaristic statement after another. They already announced mobilization, and led the army into increased combat readiness, collected money from the population via fuel and sent troops to the east and south, to the borders of Russia and Crimea, and assigned racially and politically loyal national patriots to each commander. of SS Right Sector.

But, despite these actions and belligerent rhetoric, in Russia, in the West, and in Ukraine itself, everyone is well aware that the fighting capacity of the Ukrainian army is zero. Even the army of Saakashvili, who fled in panic and without regard, throwing weapons, in August 2008, compared to the current army of Ukraine, looks like a powerful, technically equipped and efficient unit. So what do the Fuhrers of Kiev count on? Obviously, they can only count on one thing: the fact that the Russians will not enter into military conflict with the soldiers of the Ukrainian army, because there are many Russians and Russian-speaking Ukrainians among them. That is, the Ukrainian army is used as a hostage or human shield.

The situation today is such that, even without confronting the enemy, the Ukrainian army suffers losses in military equipment and people. Only from News and videos of recent days, it is known that the Ukrainian army lost: 2 armored personnel carriers, which fell from the vehicle platform that transported them, 1 infantry fighting vehicle, which burned down due to a short circuit, 1 army truck, which flew off the highway into a ditch, 5 tanks that burned down in the boxes , 1 Su-24 plane that crashed on landing. Unfortunately, there are already victims and dead. And these are only those cases that became known. Taking into account the deplorable state of technology and the lack of training of soldiers, it must be assumed that there are probably much more such cases, not to mention the fact that they could not start much at all.

In general, the Ukrainian army, heroically suffering losses, serves as a human shield for the self-proclaimed Kiev authorities. It is located along the borders with Russia like hostages, which are put by terrorists at the windows of a seized building, so that they (terrorists) are not opened fire.

PS If the situation in Ukraine worsens and the fascist formations start shedding the blood of civilians, then the Russian troops will receive an order to conduct a peacekeeping operation in Ukraine. Today it became known that the President of Russia signed a decree on the recognition of military ranks and documents on military education of the military of Ukraine. This means that the Russians can agree with the Ukrainian military, who for decades have not been needed by their own authorities and are tired of hopelessness, that they will not fight for the illegitimate junta, but will join their brothers and defeat the fascists with them.
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  1. sashppppp
    sashppppp 24 March 2014 07: 02
    +39
    The list is not complete - yesterday self-propelled guns burned down ...
    1. Canep
      Canep 24 March 2014 07: 13
      +25
      Quote: sashppppp
      The list is not complete - yesterday self-propelled guns burned down ...

      It would be nice if it burned down - the ammunition detonated, one soldier was recorded as missing, most likely they will not find the corpse, only fragments of the body, and then if you're lucky.
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      2. domokl
        domokl 24 March 2014 07: 59
        +14
        The author is right that the information is only from open Maydaun sources ... Naturally, now they are firing, throwing grenades and other not very safe things ... There are and will be losses.
        The most important thing now is to understand that the army will be just a shield ... And it doesn’t really want to go over to the side of Russia ... Families are held hostage ... So there will be a polite confrontation ... And the very polite people will do the job, as in the first case ...
        1. I do not care
          I do not care 24 March 2014 08: 46
          +39
          Quote: domokl
          The most important thing now is to understand that the army will be just a shield ... And it doesn’t really want to go over to the side of Russia ... Families are held hostage ... So there will be a polite confrontation ... And the very polite people will do the job, as in the first case ...
        2. Sakmagon
          Sakmagon 24 March 2014 09: 48
          +8
          In general, the Ukrainian army, heroically incurring losses, serves as a human shield for the self-proclaimed Kiev authorities. It is located along the borders with Russia like hostages ...

          Yes, so that they would have stood in one place longer, without any "worries" and adventures ... but opposite to put some kind of rottushka or battalion. So, "for furniture". So that both contractors and conscripts were. Let them chat a little longer, share the news ... smile
          clickable ...
        3. Hamul
          Hamul 24 March 2014 10: 01
          +17
          Yes, you don’t need to send any troops to Ukraine - you just have to wait a little while. Putin is not and intelligence is clearly on top.
          Even from the information that the Ukainian mass media (TSN with admiral and marines) and the Russian media give us, it follows that everything is just beginning. Judge for yourself:
          1. Statement by Aksenov
          2. Changed sharply calls for rallies in Kharkov, etc. - (Yanyk president)
          3. Recognition of the Russian Federation by the ranks of the Urkain troops and the opportunity to serve them with re-certification in the RF Armed Forces
          4. again point 2 - after all, the Ukrainian General Staff is "merging" its Armed Forces
          5. Tough tension among troops with fuel and lubricants and the population
          6. Rigid voltage with gas, etc. Urkaina by May
          7. The absence of sowing in connection with paragraph 5
          8. Essential products also tend to end, and no one will lend
          9. The IMF give 15 lard, and Urkain of the Russian Federation should have 16 lard, + China has filed a lawsuit to recover 3 lard
          10. The United States gave only dry food and will not give anything more
          11. Urkain oligarchs pump out the remnants of den / funds from urkaina and potih begin to molt
          12. Increase in tariffs for energy carriers in case of complicated ekonomich. situations = Maidan
          13. presidential election? Don’t tell me the slippers - Schah has so much power and every weapon and every one wants to be the main one - it’s just going to be a massacre and disruptions with subsequent Maidan
          14. Capture is economical. constituting radicals - a gangster redivision of everything and everything - who is more prosperous
          15 and finally - all Maydaun groups hating each other - this is a direct analogy from 1916-1920.
          16. Poland, Romania and the Czech Republic will also try to participate in the sharing of Urkaina - it’s not in vain that they brought out a dud


          PS. Moat is ridiculous - money laundering.

          CONCLUSION. Urkain is on the brink, on such a brink that is simple, and our GDP understands this and takes a wait and see attitude
          1. avg
            avg 24 March 2014 11: 09
            +14
            Quote: Hamul
            Yes, you don’t need to send any troops to Ukraine - you just have to wait a little while.

            I have already written about Putin's treachery. To declare their readiness to send in troops and not to attack, but to wait until the "Svidomites" muffle themselves with combat reviews. But I did not expect that they would not even be able to go out for a review. request
          2. 222222
            222222 24 March 2014 11: 41
            +3
            Hamul SU Today, 10:01 ↑
            ..zy ..
            "March 5, 15:59 UTC + 4

            NOVO-OGAREVO, March 5. / ITAR-TASS /. Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said at a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin that the fuel supply at Ukrainian NPPs will only last for March and April ".. this is" Shl ... "so shl ..
            http://itar-tass.com/ekonomika/1023305
            ..... ((((According to the results of 2011, the structure of electricity production in Ukraine was as follows (in percent, the installed capacities at power plants are indicated in brackets):

            TPPs and TPPs - 57,5% (25 MW)
            Nuclear power plants - 29,6% (13 107 MW)
            HPPs and PSPPs (pumped storage power plants) - 12,4% (5 MW)
            solar power plants - 0,3% (130 MW)
            wind power plants - 0,2% (86 MW))))))))))))))))))))
          3. Don
            Don 24 March 2014 12: 49
            +1
            Quote: Hamul
            Poland Romania and the Czech Republic will also try to participate in the sharing of Urkaina - it’s not in vain that they brought out a schucher there

            And how is the Czech Republic listed? Most likely Hungary.
            1. Passer
              Passer 24 March 2014 22: 58
              0
              Quote: Don
              And how is the Czech Republic listed? Most likely Hungary.

              I'm afraid that New Zealand will soon find territorial claims against Ukraine.
          4. Igor39
            Igor39 24 March 2014 13: 20
            +2
            I completely agree with your conclusions. Haste is needed only when catching fleas.
      3. Artyom
        Artyom 24 March 2014 10: 57
        +1
        or maybe he set it on fire and dumped it quickly bully
    2. bvi1965
      bvi1965 24 March 2014 09: 25
      +6
      Russia has not yet been accused of sabotage? I think they’ll start soon.
    3. spech
      spech 24 March 2014 10: 51
      +2
      so the fleet is not mentioned
      PS but the admirals at least eat ...
      1. skeptic
        skeptic 24 March 2014 13: 01
        +2
        Quote: spech
        PS but the admirals at least eat ...


        Who cares how much they are - there’s nothing to pay wages anyway.
        1. 0255
          0255 24 March 2014 13: 38
          +2
          OCCUPIERS-M *** SCRIPT THE ALARM !!! am UKRAINIAN NATIONAL GUARDS ARE READY TO GIVE YOU A WORTHY RESPONSE !!! wassat THERE IS A DEATH HOUR !!! angry

          The new leadership of Ukraine purchased for the formed National Guard wheeled armored personnel carriers BTR-4, produced by the Kharkov Design Bureau of Engineering named after Morozova, "said Arsen Avakov, appointed by the Verkhovna Rada as head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

          “The latest modern Ukrainian-made armored personnel carriers for the National Guard of Ukraine. There are a lot of problems, tasks and questions, but gradually and systematically answers appear on them. We will be strong! ”Avakov wrote on his old man on Facebook.

          However, as the blog of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies notes, judging by the photographs given, we are talking about at least ten BTR-4 armored personnel carriers, probably from a party rejected by Iraq earlier this year.

          Recall that combat vehicles were delivered to Iraq under the largest contract for the supply of weapons in the history of modern Ukraine for $ 556,5 million (420 BTR-4E units and AN-32 aircraft), concluded in 2009. But after inspecting the APCs in August 2013, Iraqis announced that 42 armored personnel carriers had cracks in the hull and did not agree to unload them ashore. At the same time, Ukrspetsexport, Ukroboronservis and Progress refused to pay for a simple ship in the Persian Gulf.

          In September last year, it became known that Iraq decided instead of Ukrainian armored personnel carriers to buy Russian BTR-82, as well as possible options for upgrading the existing fleet of Soviet BTR and BMP, delivered in 1980-s.

          source http://warfiles.ru
          In short, we are all starting to get nervous, panic and shake with fear laughing
    4. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 24 March 2014 16: 45
      +2
      This is just the tip of the iceberg, how much will burn, turn over, explode and go missing when the Ukrainian Armed Forces try to leave their places of permanent deployment, and when the march is 300-500 miles the whole army will melt through villages and villages.
      There is no army as such, the problem is in the so-called National Guard of Banderlog, there will not be enough strength to fight with army men, but civilians should destroy the very thing, since their ancestors have had experience since 40-50.
  2. Sergg
    Sergg 24 March 2014 07: 02
    +11
    It was located along the borders with Russia like hostages placed by terrorists at the windows of a seized building so that they (terrorists) were not opened fire.


    In fact, they donate this equipment to Russia without a fight, it is very convenient for transferring it to Russia.
    1. a52333
      a52333 24 March 2014 07: 08
      +12
      Yes, there’s nothing special to take. Mostly scrap metal, from the 80's.
      1. serega.fedotov
        serega.fedotov 24 March 2014 11: 48
        +1
        Quote: a52333
        Yes, there’s nothing special to take. Mostly scrap metal, from the 80's.

        There are VERY few parts in the tank that cannot be replaced, and rust is not terrible. Do not forget on the approach of "ARMATA" after it, all our tanks will become obsolete. Replacing / in case of what / the Ukrainian T64 with our T72-90 With the subsequent replacement with armature is inexpedient. Besides, I met in Chechnya T64 in capable hands is a formidable machine, and very reliable!
    2. Horde
      Horde 24 March 2014 07: 08
      +24
      Quote: Sergg
      In fact, they donate this equipment to Russia without a fight, it is very convenient for transferring it to Russia.


      about the Ukrainian fleet already noticed that the Russian fleet had a large number of semi-floating targets, and in Banderland there was a technique that even Africa does not take ...
      1. Canep
        Canep 24 March 2014 07: 14
        +18
        Quote: Horde
        Banderland remained a technique that even Africa does not take ...

        cruelly and beautifully said + + + + + +
        1. bvi1965
          bvi1965 24 March 2014 09: 30
          +5
          I would say that Africa does not take even their new equipment.
      2. avt
        avt 24 March 2014 10: 04
        +5
        Quote: Horde
        about the Ukrainian fleet have already noticed that the Russian fleet has raped a large number of semi-floating targets

        Well, let's put a dozen and a half quite decent units that will still serve when carrying out routine maintenance on them, shaman small missiles, for example, with Uranium, and here in Feodosia there are two new anti-submarine warriors in a high degree of readiness - to arm and that's it. So it's not all that bad , especially for auxiliary vessels, the tug is good, the tanker and the scout were taken, the large landing craft in Donuzlav could be taken whole. Certainly not the times of the USSR, but not just scrap metal.
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  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 24 March 2014 07: 04
    +32
    Another self-propelled gun is not included by the author in the list of "combat" losses of the Ukrainian army.
    Oh, they need to take all the weapons from them, until they defeated themselves laughing
    1. bvi1965
      bvi1965 24 March 2014 09: 29
      +3
      Ammo, shells and stuff, and let them ride on health
      1. Tron
        Tron 24 March 2014 11: 11
        +8
        Alexander Romanov Oh, they need to take away all the weapons

        Quote: bvi1965
        Ammo, shells and stuff, and let them ride on health

        Well then, the Ukrainian army will look like this
    2. w2000
      24 March 2014 10: 49
      +3
      "Another self-propelled gun is not included by the author in the list of" combat "losses of the Ukrainian army."

      The article was written more than two days ago, and was published only today.
    3. novobranets
      novobranets 24 March 2014 12: 22
      +4
      After Ukraine pulled troops to the border with Russia, carts of scrap metal receivers stretched to the border from the Russian side. lol
  4. Horde
    Horde 24 March 2014 07: 05
    +9
    Ukrainian army in such a state that even without a fight bears the loss


    It’s ridiculous, of course, which country, such and the army is true to crush the unarmed Russian people, this Banderaly army can ...
    1. Lantau
      Lantau 24 March 2014 07: 19
      +7
      Quote: Horde
      Ukrainian army in such a state that even without a fight bears the loss


      It’s ridiculous, of course, which country, such and the army is true to crush the unarmed Russian people, this Banderaly army can ...

      Maybe of course, but only who will allow them to do this. The transfer of our troops, I think, does not take much time.
      1. Horde
        Horde 24 March 2014 07: 26
        0
        Quote: Lantau
        Maybe of course, but only who will allow them to do this. The transfer of our troops, I think, does not take much time.

        think or know? shooting is already underway and blood is already pouring, only they don’t really tell us about it ...
        1. Lantau
          Lantau 24 March 2014 07: 45
          +4
          Quote: Horde
          Quote: Lantau
          Maybe of course, but only who will allow them to do this. The transfer of our troops, I think, does not take much time.

          think or know? shooting is already underway and blood is already pouring, only they don’t really tell us about it ...

          If you know something that we don’t know, tell us.
          1. sanitar80
            sanitar80 24 March 2014 20: 25
            0
            The nephew called his partner on Friday, is serving near Khabarovsk, dressed in uniforms without insignia, and transferred to the Crimea. A month ago, 6 zinc were already shipped.
            1. Vi_RUS
              Vi_RUS 26 March 2014 23: 00
              0
              so and he.ra our are silent ?! if you said no misinformation, then this is a serious matter, since there are deaths of our military !!!
      2. hokol
        hokol 24 March 2014 12: 03
        +1
        Well, as I understand it, the troops of the Russian Federation are already pulling themselves towards the border, just in case, two people at work told me that they saw equipment on the Taganrog Rostov highway http://donnews.ru/Ukrainskie-voennye-nablyudateli-proleteli-na-AN-30 -nad-prigran
        ichnymi-rayonami-Rostovskoy-oblasti_14634
  5. mamont5
    mamont5 24 March 2014 07: 05
    +12
    "This means that the Russians can come to an agreement with the Ukrainian military, who for decades have not been needed by their own authorities and are tired of despair, that they will not fight for an illegitimate junta, but join their brothers and together with them defeat the Nazis."
    That's the way to do it. Agitation, agitation and again agitation!
  6. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 24 March 2014 07: 05
    +13
    Suppose that any large army, even in peacetime, suffers non-combat losses. This is a fact. request Only what remains of the Ukrainian army still manages to bear losses - this is to the psychiatrist wassat
  7. queen
    queen 24 March 2014 07: 08
    +6
    How much more blood is needed for the people of Ukraine to understand this? (
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 24 March 2014 07: 30
      +11
      Quote: regin
      How much more blood is needed for the people of Ukraine to understand this?

      In the period from 41 to 44 years and further after the warriors, Bandera shed blood a lot, but they were in vain. Now they have become heroes.
      1. queen
        queen 24 March 2014 07: 46
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Now they have become heroes

        And who made them? The media are corrupt, for the rating, but they don’t give a damn about life.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 24 March 2014 07: 55
          +3
          Quote: regin

          And who made them? The media are corrupt,

          But who cares, there’s a lot of information on the Internet, a person has a desire to figure it out, but no, he’ll jump.
          1. 0255
            0255 24 March 2014 11: 32
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: regin

            And who made them? The media are corrupt,

            But who cares, there’s a lot of information on the Internet, a person has a desire to figure it out, but no, he’ll jump.

            Western Ukrainians, even in Soviet times, quietly hated the USSR and the Russians, but kept silent in a rag, waiting for the right moment. And it came with the support of "Western partners" am
    2. Vi_RUS
      Vi_RUS 26 March 2014 23: 02
      0
      I'm sorry, but what can people do at all, when they stood on the Maidan for hryvnias, right now no one pays them, then everything is fine according to theirs
  8. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 24 March 2014 07: 10
    +9
    The only reliable support for the junta is nat. the guards and fighters of the Right Sector, well, the mercenaries from Blackwater and Orinis, who came in large numbers of the oligarch’s frequent armies.
    1. queen
      queen 24 March 2014 07: 20
      +5
      Quote: mojohed2012
      mercenaries from blackwater and orinis

      And then what will they pay for? I think the girls from the west will not be taken, and the compatriots will want to grab.
    2. Good cat
      Good cat 24 March 2014 10: 26
      +2
      Not all these gentlemen are strong against regular troops
      1. skeptic
        skeptic 24 March 2014 13: 16
        +4
        Quote: Good cat
        Not all these gentlemen are strong against regular troops


        Yes, not for this they are here. If there is a bummer with US plans, then because of his global dirty tricks, Obama may give the order to blow up some kind of nuclear power plant. Then, at the very least, there will be a headache in the middle of Europe for both the EU and Russia, which is also part of the Amer’s task of weakening competitors. But nobody thought about ordinary Ukrainians and is not going to think.
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 24 March 2014 15: 43
          0
          Quote: skeptic
          USA, because of its global dirty tricks, Obama may give the order to blow up some kind of nuclear power plant

          So don’t you get to anyone, radioactive Ukraine! - So what ...?
          1. skeptic
            skeptic 24 March 2014 19: 35
            0
            Quote: bot.su
            So don’t you get to anyone, radioactive Ukraine! - So what ...?


            Naturally, by the way, an article on this topic immediately appeared. You can read.
    3. avg
      avg 24 March 2014 11: 31
      +6
      Quote: mojohed2012
      The only reliable support for the junta is nat. the guards and fighters of the Right Sector, well, the mercenaries from Blackwater and Orinis, who came in large numbers of the oligarch’s frequent armies.

      It's time for the gentlemen of the mercenaries "them shissen and yarosh kaput!" teach,
      otherwise, in the heat of the day, the fighters of English will not understand, and German is in our blood. laughing
    4. 0255
      0255 24 March 2014 11: 34
      +1
      Quote: mojohed2012
      The only reliable support for the junta is nat. the guards and fighters of the Right Sector, well, the mercenaries from Blackwater and Orinis, who came in large numbers of the oligarch’s frequent armies.

      in your opinion, admirers of the traitor Bandera and mercenaries - a reliable support?
      They are more or less reliable when they are paid and fed with cookies, and as the loot finally ends, they will gnaw through the new Ukrainian government and each other
      1. jjj
        jjj 24 March 2014 15: 00
        +1
        Quote: 0255
        They are more or less reliable when they are paid and fed with cookies, and as the loot finally ends, they will gnaw through the new Ukrainian government and each other

        On Sunday, March 23, a video was shown on all channels about the division of the "fighting". At their own "blood earned" hung
        1. 0255
          0255 24 March 2014 15: 02
          0
          Quote: jjj
          Quote: 0255
          They are more or less reliable when they are paid and fed with cookies, and as the loot finally ends, they will gnaw through the new Ukrainian government and each other

          On Sunday, March 23, a video was shown on all channels about the division of the "fighting". At their own "blood earned" hung

          bandits who smelled of blood, what else can I say am
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 24 March 2014 07: 11
    +13
    “A nation that does not feed its army will feed the army of the enemy”
    (Napoleon Bonaparte)
    the arrogant idea of ​​the authorities about the fulfillment of their duties brought the country to the brink of death. And even in the most severe crisis there is a profanation of the work process. People will catch spies, promise a great future, plant dissatisfied people, speak at rallies but do not engage in the economy!
  10. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 24 March 2014 07: 13
    +19
    The main enemy of the Ukrainian army is its power. And the sooner this is understood,
    all the better.
  11. zeleznijdorojnik
    zeleznijdorojnik 24 March 2014 07: 14
    +35
    2 armored personnel carriers that fell from the car platform transporting them, 1 infantry fighting vehicle that burned out due to a short circuit, 1 army truck that flew off the track into a ditch, 5 tanks that burned out in the boxes, 1 Su-24 plane
    It’s been a month already with this dry cargo truck — he was driving to Kiev, even under Yanukovych, 20.02, armored personnel carriers from the transporter — a video a year ago, I would like to see objective information on the site, not the speculations of couch internet fighters.
    I will add that you should not have such a capricious mood - PS - people are inadequate - to work with "Hurricanes" at Crimean bases, or even "Smerch" - they dragged 2 batteries to the bases of the fleet, they can try - they have nothing to lose ...
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 24 March 2014 07: 41
      +5
      Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
      I’ll add that it’s not worth having such a capricious mood

      Well, why do you spoil people's mood? They already see how the columns of the Russian army enter Kiev where their people meet with flowers, the Ukrainian army surrenders en masse, and Yanukovych on white ... mmmmmm ... what would he put on such white? Can someone tell me?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 March 2014 07: 56
        +7
        Quote: Nayhas
        Well, why do you spoil people's mood?

        Yes, it didn’t go bad at all, and in Kiev we will tongue
      2. thrower
        thrower 24 March 2014 09: 14
        +6
        On a white rabbit - both beautifully and symbolically.
        And then, on the other hand, they ride in armored cars.
        1. kush62
          kush62 24 March 2014 10: 40
          +2
          Quote thrower: On a white rabbit - and beautiful and symbolic.

          Yes, Yatsenyuk can’t stand it.
      3. GP
        GP 24 March 2014 09: 17
        +3
        Quote: Nayhas
        Well, why do you spoil people's mood? They already see how the columns of the Russian army enter Kiev where their people meet with flowers, the Ukrainian army surrenders in large numbers, ...


        So we do not sit at headquarters. Ordinary people can quite afford to dream, what is there to be ashamed of. wink
      4. novobranets
        novobranets 24 March 2014 12: 26
        +1
        Quote: Nayhas
        and Yanukovych on white ... mmmmmm ... what would he put such white on?

        He is gilded, and even then not with him, so it's just "... and Yanukovych with a white woman ... squatting."
      5. Alekseev
        Alekseev 24 March 2014 12: 54
        +2
        Quote: Nayhas
        They already see how the columns of the Russian army enter Kiev where their people meet with flowers, the Ukrainian army surrenders en masse,

        And why the heck is Kiev itself, filled with bandrelogs who have gone crazy in the attack, do the "columns of the Russian army" need?
        Let them ripen in their own shit.
      6. nerd.su
        nerd.su 27 March 2014 09: 53
        0
        Quote: Nayhas
        what would he put so white on?

        On a white donkey. Back forward with tied hands ...
    2. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 24 March 2014 09: 12
      +4
      [quote = zeleznijdorojnik] [quote] sentiments - PS - people are inadequate - to work with "Hurricanes" on Crimean bases, or even "Smerch" - they dragged 2 batteries to the bases of the fleet, they may try - they have nothing to lose ... [/ quote]. I agree about shapkozakidatelstvo, but not with Whirlwinds and Hurricanes. It will be far from the bases of the fleet, even if they are pulled out to the front line.
    3. Good cat
      Good cat 24 March 2014 10: 24
      +6
      They have something to lose, life. Golden eagles unarmed in the back to shoot is one thing. To fight is another. They are cowards.
      1. Zlyden.Zlo
        Zlyden.Zlo 24 March 2014 13: 22
        +2
        Why. Shoot and run so that other blood would be shed for them
    4. avg
      avg 24 March 2014 11: 34
      +3
      Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
      PS - people are inadequate

      But Frau Merkel, these bastards have brought to the point that she will soon begin to smoke.
    5. yur
      yur 24 March 2014 12: 29
      +1
      Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
      - PS - people are inadequate - to work with "Hurricanes" on the Crimean bases, or even "Smerch" - they dragged 2 batteries to the bases of the fleet, they can try - they have nothing to lose ...
      That's exactly when they lose the whole country, their lives and their last dream of a great ukrolyandii. In PS, of course, not too smart people, but still, I hope, not so smart.
  12. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 24 March 2014 07: 14
    +5
    from the Don.
    It's time for the rabbits to pull the Makhnovsky carts from museums!
  13. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 24 March 2014 07: 14
    +4
    strange movement with the outskirts of the army, everyone understands that the injection of money into the army will not give the desired effect in the short term .. then why? All the same, the Americans seem to hold her like an ace up their sleeve ... let’s start the war with someone else’s hands at first, unambiguously with the doomed army of the outskirts, and then by escalating the conflict we will look, but for now we will throw firewood into the fire. I don’t think that it’s 3-world but in a very dangerous vicinity ..
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 24 March 2014 10: 12
      +7
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      All the same, the Americans seem to hold her like an ace in the sleeve

      They are waiting for the IMI recognized government to ask to send NATO troops to Russia's aggression! Actually, "individuals" have already asked, but there is no official request yet! And now Russia is not invading in any way! So wait, sir!
      But what will happen if, according to the requirements of the East of Ukraine, Yanukovych is delivered here .... exactly BEFORE the elections - that's the question! It will be considered an invasion, or all the same "at the request of the PEOPLE" with the appropriate papers!
      1. Artyom
        Artyom 24 March 2014 11: 10
        +5
        NATO and the Americans in particular will not fight for Ukraine. This is Abama himself said. So the guys have nothing to catch!
      2. 0255
        0255 24 March 2014 11: 46
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        But what will happen if, according to the requirements of the East of Ukraine, Yanukovych is delivered here .... exactly BEFORE the elections - that's the question! It will be considered an invasion, or all the same "at the request of the PEOPLE" with the appropriate papers!

        but is it that in eastern Ukraine they will meet Yanuk with open arms? Especially the widows and children of the dead Berkut. I handed over my country to FIG knows whom, he dumped in Russia, Crimea. Did he still have supporters.
        PS Elena, I apologize for hitting you, deleted by the moderator, in your article about a German film where the Germans stop Bandera!
  14. santush
    santush 24 March 2014 07: 19
    +5
    In Ukraine, not power, but some kind of brainless and frenzied bunch of Nazis!
  15. Siberian19
    Siberian19 24 March 2014 07: 22
    +5
    In general, the Ukrainian army, heroically incurring losses, serves as a human shield for the self-proclaimed Kiev authorities. It was located along the borders with Russia like hostages placed by terrorists at the windows of a seized building so that they (terrorists) were not opened fire. On the other hand, if this live shield goes over to the side of the Russian Federation and turns the trunks towards Kiev, with the help of our polite, Kiev junta, we need to dig lairs! QUESTION how to open the eyes of the commanders of units and subunits and indicate where their true enemy is? Leaflets to them or something to dump! How will they behave when Yanukovych appears, too, a question? hi
  16. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 24 March 2014 07: 24
    +22
    Mdaaa ... But in the Soviet years, there was something to be proud of. Our classmate in the days of the USSR, in Kiev, served as a test pilot, we were all very proud of him, and his attitude in general to all the peoples of the USSR. He, being an officer of Ukraine, always said: - "I am the Russian SON of the Kazakh people, in love with Ukraine." That says it all! And now a / M / ery and gayRop want to set us all against each other ... I think the TEETH WILL BREAK, together with their henchmen from Kiev.
  17. shelva
    shelva 24 March 2014 07: 28
    +3
    It is necessary to free the Ukrainian army, which turned out to be a hostage to the leadership of their country - they themselves will not be able to free themselves because the combat effectiveness is zero and everything in their hands explodes.
  18. shibi
    shibi 24 March 2014 07: 36
    +23
    Faces have changed, the same traditions ..
  19. sv68
    sv68 24 March 2014 07: 39
    +4
    at a top-secret meeting of the Ukrainian army, it was decided to self-destruct in the shortest possible time bully
  20. stayer
    stayer 24 March 2014 07: 41
    +5
    Now Romania and Poland are looking at the regions of Ukraine. If they seize it "politely", do you think the Ukrainian troops will resist?
    1. saber
      saber 24 March 2014 08: 04
      +4
      they will make the faces of the cat from "Shrek-2" as usual and say - "Help, brothers!"
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 24 March 2014 10: 20
      +4
      Quote: stayer
      If they seize it "politely", do you think the Ukrainian troops will resist?

      And this is the question! In "some" areas they will even welcome, but they will not go against their loved ones! THEM - you can! Well these are brothers from Europe! .... For the time being, until they present documents for private property, selected in the years of the USSR! Then they will dance!
  21. Ilja 22
    Ilja 22 24 March 2014 07: 44
    +2
    Clowns, but these clowns do not have long to shed the blood of "hostages of power", lynching will soon take place and these same hostages will tear them apart!
  22. Barakuda
    Barakuda 24 March 2014 08: 02
    +6
    Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
    I will add that you should not have such a capricious mood - PS - people are inadequate - to work with "Hurricanes" at Crimean bases, or even with "Smerch" - they dragged 2 batteries to the bases of the fleet, they can try - they have nothing to lose ..

    They have something to lose - LIFE! Yes, they will only turn around, Mi-35 and Sukhoi attack aircraft will plow the sky next to them. Not id..you are sitting in the General Staff of Russia.
    1. Kuzbassovets
      Kuzbassovets 24 March 2014 08: 37
      -3
      The question is of course interesting, here you can think in two ways. On the one hand, Chechnya, Georgia, and on the other ... the invasion of Ukraine will be full-blown, and how our warriors will deploy the front, the grandmother said in two ...
      1. w2000
        24 March 2014 10: 57
        +2
        There will be no intrusion. There will be a secret seepage of polite people into the eastern regions and the seizure of administrations and other strategic nodes together with the local militia and activists.
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 24 March 2014 13: 04
          +2
          Quote: w2000
          There will be no intrusion. There will be a secret seepage of polite people into the eastern regions and the seizure of administrations and other strategic nodes together with the local militia and activists.

          The only way!
          And at night you can help them with helicopters with thermal imagers. yes
          There are now all law enforcement in turmoil what
          With the support of the masses, revenge is a very good chance of throwing out the fucking banderloig oligarchs and the bulk of them who have joined them from Donbass and the South.But this is only if supported by ...
  23. Mihail177
    Mihail177 24 March 2014 08: 20
    +5
    the newly minted fascist government suddenly arose an enemy, represented by the Russian population of Novorossiya and the Russian Federation, whose traditional occupation is the rout and destruction of these same fascists.
    Traditions must be protected! Death to the Bender invaders !!
  24. fregina1
    fregina1 24 March 2014 09: 17
    +6
    Recently I watched "The Wedding in Malinovka", it feels like they were filming about the present time: again the power is changing, machine guns do not work, Pan Ataman has no gold reserves! I just whinnied until I can! Now the film is perceived differently!
    1. jjj
      jjj 24 March 2014 15: 05
      0
      And "The Elusive Avengers" ... In general, a lot of films on Ukrainian themes went off
      1. I read the news
        I read the news 24 March 2014 15: 32
        0
        Nance didn’t go (on TV), but revised hi
        1. Komsomolec80
          Komsomolec80 24 March 2014 15: 43
          0
          Most precisely, what is happening is shown in Days of the Turbins by the White Guard.
  25. sinukvl
    sinukvl 24 March 2014 09: 33
    +3
    Only from the news and videos of recent days is it known that the Ukrainian army lost: 2 armored personnel carriers that fell from the car platform that transported them, 1 infantry fighting vehicle that burned out due to a short circuit, 1 army truck that flew off the highway into a ditch, 5 tanks that burned in the boxes, 1 Su-24 plane, which crashed during landing

    Yesterday, a self-propelled howitzer also exploded during firing practice. In Ukraine, military equipment is in such a state that if they stretch out their "maneuvers" for another couple of weeks, they will be left with one single Maidan catapult, and even that is broken. In order to bring the army into a more or less normal state, you first need to bring the economy to life, and not drive it into a comatose, otherwise, no matter how. But with bringing the economy to a normal state, the maydanutyh have problems, they do not raise their economy, but, on the contrary, bring them down. So, in the near future, the Ukrainian Army will have one name and fighters with clubs.
  26. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 24 March 2014 09: 35
    +6
    Regarding the actions of the ukroarmii, I recalled an old army anecdote (it was especially relevant for the GSVG): "To exhaust the Soviet army, you need to declare war on the USSR and not attack for several weeks, they will muzzle themselves with combat reviews." What actually we see in Ukraine, the troops rushing around the country, resources are thoughtlessly spent, people and equipment are being crushed, and the result is zero, because the disrupted combat training system is not restored by such idiotic decisions of the General Staff. Now the troops withdrawn to the defense areas will be stuck there for a long time. Broken military equipment will be collected throughout Ukraine a few months. And there will be no money left for real combat training. So they will take the equipment to the PPD, again drive it into the boxes and they will only write outlines of the new history of Ukraine instead of shooting, driving, etc.
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  28. from punk
    from punk 24 March 2014 10: 04
    +10
    Quote: bvi1965
    Russia has not yet been accused of sabotage? I think they’ll start soon.
    / lf pomoyu every day they accuse
  29. smmeh
    smmeh 24 March 2014 10: 08
    +6
    Matches for children are not toys
  30. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 24 March 2014 10: 15
    +4
    Military analyst Leonid Nersisyan notes that if Russia wants to establish control over Eastern Ukraine, then “there should be no problems, given the high level of Russia's popularity in the eastern regions.” “In this situation, the newly minted authorities in Kiev have every chance to fall in front of even more radical groups of people. However, the positive aspect of this scenario is that the likelihood of a civil war is minimal, and the issue of Eastern and Western Ukraine can be resolved once and for all, "the expert said.
    But, if Russia decides to limit itself to control over Crimea, then “a civil war may flare up in Ukraine, which will be facilitated by the scattered and armed military units of the country.” “Most likely, everything will start with the fact that radical forces will go from Kiev” to restore order " to the East". In the chaos that has arisen due to hostilities, heavy weapons from combat units can easily fall into their hands, in addition, many military personnel from the cities of Western Ukraine can join them. Considering the huge arsenals, although decently plundered and sold out over 20 years of independence, they will be enough to cause irreparable damage to the state and kill many people. The results of such a scenario are absolutely unpredictable - the only thing that is clear is that the Ukrainians will be the loser in any case, "the expert is sure.

    But the latter is unlikely to happen, since partisan formations (possibly "polite") have already been formed in the SE UR of about 20 thousand, as one of the commanders said, from the former military. And in the event of an attack, 70 thousand bayonets can be deployed. Moreover, numerous rallies do not subside in the SE, and there have been calls for Yanukovych to lead this movement as a legitimate president. I wonder what howl the West will raise with the USA in this case
  31. penguin
    penguin 24 March 2014 10: 19
    +3
    Ukraine, as of 91, got the most powerful army and the most modern at that time. And what did they do to her? Rather, what they did so that she did not become what she is now.
  32. konvalval
    konvalval 24 March 2014 10: 22
    +2
    The right sector has only small arms, and the army has at least some kind of heavy equipment. So what is this army waiting for them to be completely deserted?
  33. Aydar
    Aydar 24 March 2014 10: 31
    +4
    so much good has rotted, so much money has been poured into the toilet. !! such a guide to the tribunal is needed!
  34. Voenruk
    Voenruk 24 March 2014 10: 40
    +3
    Time will judge everything, but for now we can only wait. Work hard at home, raise the collapsed industry, economy, production, agricultural, medicine, etc. That’s just without Medvedev, it would go faster. (P / S Bears are sleeping, they are tired)
  35. les103284
    les103284 24 March 2014 10: 45
    +6
    The reality is that the self-styled Kiev rulers abandoned and betrayed their army. Thousands of servicemen who honestly fulfill their military duty have turned out to be essentially outcasts in their own country! What kind of oath we can talk about when the military leadership of the Ukrainian leadership on the air “throws its soldiers under the tanks!” The conclusion is obvious, to serve the people or to leave, but everyone will do it himself!
  36. jekasimf
    jekasimf 24 March 2014 11: 11
    +5
    The army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine have the full legal and moral right to act on the territory of Ukraine. They have the right to protect their people from the putschists. 20 000, only in the Crimea is already a huge force. To negotiate with the rest of the territory in the Southeast is a matter of technology. And neither one in the world, doesn’t turn against. Since everything is legally clean. Its own army and its own Ministry of Internal Affairs.
  37. pensioner
    pensioner 24 March 2014 11: 16
    +6
    Ukrainian army in such a state that even without a fight bears the loss
    Unfortunately, it was not necessary to be a prophet in order to predict such incidents ... Moreover. It is safe to predict the following:
    1. Similar incidents will recur. And more than once ...
    2. The number of equipment failures in the Armed Forces of Ukraine will only increase over time.
    1. and 2. pp. - At least a consequence of the provisions of the theory of reliability.
    3. The Ukrainian army is waiting for a wave of desertion.
    4. Well, I still expect the loss of weapons and ammunition ...
    3.and 4. pp-a consequence of the extremely insufficient material support of the army, burdened, moreover, by the difficult economic situation in the country.
  38. pensioner
    pensioner 24 March 2014 11: 19
    +3
    Today it became known that the President of Russia signed a decree recognizing the military ranks and documents on military education of the Ukrainian military.
    Once again I take off my hat to our President!
  39. Iva58
    Iva58 24 March 2014 11: 26
    +5
    One gets the impression that Yanukovych will return to Ukraine with a contingent consisting (formally) of Ukrainian troops. Patriotic and diplomatically flawless. Oil painting.
  40. Altona
    Altona 24 March 2014 11: 34
    +6
    Damn, they captured the junk again. They call an MPK corvette of the "Albatross" type. At the time of the 80s, a good patrol with limited PLO capabilities. Even in Lithuania, such "corvettes" were scrapped 10 years ago. Russia, let them come from the Crimea. What is still incomprehensible. Why do they include Durka. And earlier the inhabitants of Sevastopol told me that in Khokhlomarin they only take Banders. That a guy from Crimea could not enter a Navy school. And the local people therefore hated this Banderflot. Of course Banderflot workers the toad strangles - the work was not dusty - stay at the pier and get a salary. And now you will have to look for a job, but you need to plow on a normal ship and not shout "Glory to Ukraine", and in good companies selection, fuckers do not take. and frost and include. Guys "hetman". "Hetman" seize as soon as possible, until the Banderflot's Tamkingstones opened with shouts of "Glory to the heroes" - there is the same combat value zero. But at least it is on the move.schools, to carry on practice ...
    –––––––––––––––––
    One of the comments from one of the forums ... Recently I gave a full link, no one reads apparently ...)))
    1. Sochi
      Sochi 24 March 2014 12: 28
      +8
      Well, a joke in the subject: Details of the capture of the project 773 U401 "Kirovograd" medium landing craft by the GRU Armed Forces of the Russian Federation became known. For more than 20 hours, successive Russian special forces shouted to the Ukrainian sailors in the loudspeaker the command “Whoever doesn’t miss - that is m.s.c.a.l. After 20 hours, the exhausted sailors and officers were loaded onto trucks and sent to the hospital.
  41. Belarus
    Belarus 24 March 2014 11: 46
    +8
    One gets the feeling that it’s not necessary to fight with Ukraine, but just to make sure that Ukraine conducts exercises, as they say they will kill themselves.
  42. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 24 March 2014 11: 58
    +2
    If the situation in Ukraine worsens, and fascist formations begin to shed the blood of civilians

    Poppy article. Blood in western Ukraine is already pouring. Or the author does not have Old because of laziness, or just a pop singer.

    Quote: nogBogHuk
    Why are Ukrainian media silent about what is happening in the West of the country ??????

    The story I read
    I want to tell you a story that shocked my whole family. I have a buddy. His name is Vitaliy. He is a former police officer. He is 64 years old. Early this morning, he called me on his cell phone and, sobbing, told the following.

    He has a friend living in Lviv - also a former police officer. He lives with his son and mother. So this friend called Vitaly last night. Cried. And he said that in Donetsk we would not believe a single word of the Nazis who came to power. He said that in Lviv - real fascists walk around. With weapon.

    The other day, they cut off alive the head of a former police officer, Lieutenant Colonel Petrenko. And they bustled this head for several hours along the tram line in the center of Lviv. He said that in Lviv - they really kill and slaughter Russians. Mostly former police and military.

    Russians leave Lviv en masse. Mostly in Transcarpathia. Since they are afraid to go east through Kiev. He told Vitaly that these very fascists came to his house and were interested in why his son did not join the national guard. They threatened with physical violence. He immediately sent his son to Poland. And yesterday afternoon, the nationalists came to him again. Beat him up. Tortured. They wanted to know where the son is. Gone - but promised to return.

    He said that they would probably kill him. He cannot leave Lviv, as he has his mother in his arms. And she is 90 years old.

    And so he called Vitaly today - at half past one in the night. He said that in his apartment they knock doors out ...

    Say - goodbye friend! And the connection was interrupted.

    Vitaly did not sleep all night. I tried to reach my friend. But the phone was disconnected.

    Vitaly called me, and sobbing everything - he told it. We began to think what could be done and then Vitaly called again. He said that his friend from Lviv got in touch. And that he is located in 350 kilometers from Lviv.



    He told me that when the Nazis dragged him from the apartment to the street, and there were 5 people, someone called them. And the Nazis began to discuss the information received by telephone. Distracted. Fortunately, in his pockets - there were car keys. Which - stood nearby. He said that he didn’t even remember how he ended up in the car. Such was the tension. I came to my senses - when I was already behind Lviv. It was lucky that the nationalists seemed to be without a car.
    Eventually. A man rides without documents. Fortunately, there is some money for gasoline. Goes to Transcarpathia, 90 summer mother remained at home.
  43. Serega Valentinovich
    Serega Valentinovich 24 March 2014 12: 22
    +1
    What can I say, the life of our historical homeland and its population is at stake. Obviously, with all the speed of modernization and re-equipment of our army, it will take a lot of time and immediately we can’t afford to take force actions financially and physically. But to arouse patriotic feelings among the fraternal people can be a way out.
  44. The shy man
    The shy man 24 March 2014 12: 28
    +3
    I’d better keep silent about our army .. ashamed and sad. And not the fault of officers and soldiers in this position
    Py.Sy. for the moment it is for the better. God forbid someone komto bad thoughts in the head, it’s better to eat !!
  45. Signaller
    Signaller 24 March 2014 12: 33
    +2
    I think the first step of our Russian soldier on Ukrainian soil (I didn’t want to, but if that happens) will lead to one. All this camarilla will scatter like a cockroach army. Where to ask? Go to Golizia. There they already have caches dug up. And the Top in Geyropu is winding around. They understand this very well. But I think the Ukrainians themselves will remove them before the fall, like potatoes.
  46. Sochi
    Sochi 24 March 2014 12: 35
    +3
    The Ukrainian army has accumulated a lot of problems, here is the list:
    1 - no money.
    2 - the rest does not matter ...
  47. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 24 March 2014 12: 35
    +2
    Yanukovych, at least nominally lead troops starting from Lugansk and to Kiev.
  48. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 24 March 2014 13: 12
    +5
    Lord! Why does everyone have such a "shabby" mood? You can’t underestimate either an obvious or a potential adversary! And it’s somehow inconvenient to make fun of so dismissively about Ukrainian servicemen. After all, these are SLAVS, and not some # at # meki! And how was it on the eve of 1941? The pilots were not allowed to fly (what if they fly in to the Germans?); Tankers intensively master new equipment (what if they come to the Germans?) And then: huge non-combat losses. Tanks and aircraft were thrown because there was no fuel; because there was no one and there is nothing to repair. Young, poorly trained tankers often lost to the enemy even on the worst equipment, but more experienced and trained. Does this remind you of anything from the present time? However, insufficiently trained and armed troops, regardless of losses, detained the enemy, inflicted losses on him in order to stop him near Moscow. Think: some kind of "bra-a-vy ley-te-e-na-ant, m-a-al- chi-i-k m-o-lo-do-y "from Ukraine, read a lot of your disdain, tore off the vest on the chest and go towards the Russian soldiers with outstretched grenades ...... Men! Well, where is your political correctness?
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 24 March 2014 14: 05
      0
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Think: some "bra-a-yy lei-te-e-na-ant, m-a-al-chi-i-k m-o-lo-do-y" from Ukraine reads your disdain, will tear the vest on the chest

      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Well, where is your political correctness?

      Well, political correctness was profiled by those who roared on the smelly maidan under the portraits of Bandera: hto not skacheatoy m..kal, m..lyak on gilyaka, etc., as well as those who looked at it ... giggled in a rag.
      But the state of ukrarmia is really awful and serious resistance it cannot and does not want due to, of course, various not good circumstances, and not only dubious love for Russia ...
      But no troops can be sent to Ukraine until the people themselves go as a drill to the Bandera junta. And then only "polite people" can "quietly". yes
    2. thrower
      thrower 24 March 2014 14: 31
      0
      No, not reminiscent.
      And if possible, then read a little about the readiness of troops on the border with Germany in 1941, if you do not want to, I can help and find a couple of links.
      As an example, the first air ram was carried out by the pilots of the Red Army in 25 minutes after the outbreak of war.
      “Senior Lieutenant Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov ... in 4 hours. 25 minutes. On 22 on June 1941, a fascist bomber was destroyed by ramming in the Granovka-Belitsk area. Himself perished. ”[3].

      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%98%D0%B2%

      D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%98%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87_(%D0%BB%D1%91%D1%82

      %D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BA)

      The first battering ram in the history of the Great Patriotic War was made by the Soviet pilot D. I. Kokorev on June 22 of 1941 at about 4 hours 15 minutes (for a long time, I. Ivanov was considered the author of the first ram in the history of the Great Patriotic War, but in fact he made his ram 10 min. later than Kokorev)
  49. rassel0889
    rassel0889 24 March 2014 13: 15
    +2
    yes .. the story is of course scary, it’s hard to imagine even, in our time this can happen among Europe
  50. Stasi
    Stasi 24 March 2014 14: 04
    0
    The Ukrainian army, of course, is in decline, practically it exists nominally. But still there were army arsenals, in which, in addition to small arms, there are also heavy weapons. And all this good is still quite combat-ready, not in vain Yarosh demanded open access to arsenals not yet plundered. After Bandera finally plundered the remaining arsenals, they will begin to operate in the offshore regions. They can also attack the regions of Russia bordering Ukraine: Kursk, Belgorod, Voronezh and Bryansk regions. Bandera will not be able to confront openly regular troops, which means they will use the tactics of ambushes and sabotage, attacks at night, as they did back in the late forties. The West, too, may well quietly support banderlogs, with the goal of instability in Ukraine, so as to annoy Russia.
    1. I read the news
      I read the news 24 March 2014 15: 40
      0
      as they did back in the late forties
      as before the end of the 60s did you want to say?