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Half of the Su-30 Indian Air Force is chained to the ground

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The shocking number - half - of the fleet of Su-30MKI Indian Air Force fighters is chained to the ground due to unresolved service disagreements with Russian manufacturers. This undermines the combat effectiveness of the country's air force and negatively affects that part fleetwhich is still capable of flying. The Indian Air Force and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) sounded the alarm due to repeated failures during the flight of the Su-30 on-board computers and the shutdown of all multi-function displays. For over a year, Russians have not responded to multiple SOS signals from Indians. This was reported by the Indian newspaper The Sunday Guardian, citing documents at its disposal from the correspondence of HAL and Russian counterparties. Here is the translation of the note.


The managing director of the Nasik industrial complex that is part of HAL, where licensed assembly and maintenance of the Dry Air Force for the Indian Air Force is being carried out, frantically but vainly signaled “numerous malfunctions of the on-board computer onboard computer and disconnection of the multifunction displays during the flight” to representatives of Rosoboronexport and the manufacturer original Su-30 - Corporation "Irkut".

“Since turning off displays is a serious and critical problem affecting the operation of aircraft, immediate action is required to eliminate these problems,” he said in a letter from 28 February 2014 February, reminding Russians that this issue was unsuccessful in March 7 2013 year

On-board computer failures and disabling displays are critical faults. The entire flight is programmed in the central on-board computer - this is vital for meeting the requirements of air combat. Turning off the displays in the cockpit knocks down the pilots and distracts their attention from the tasks they perform. The Indian Air Force is worried that the core of their fighter fleet is plagued by endless problems. Total Indian Air Force planned to buy X-NUMX fighter Su-272, of which 30 fighter has already been delivered.

Marshal aviation Denzil Keelor, one of the most “titled” Indian Air Force fighter pilots, is discouraged. “Malfunctions during the flight, in particular those in question, make the aircraft vulnerable. If a fighter flies with reduced capabilities, it becomes more vulnerable to the enemy. No aircraft should be flown if it is not ready to demonstrate 100% of its capabilities, ”he warns.

What seems even more alarming is the deliberate slowness of the Russians, which seriously undermines the combat capability and combat readiness of the Indian Air Force. Five years after the signing of the contract for the creation in India of repair facilities for servicing Su-30 aircraft based on HAL, there is no progress - except for “agreements” and promises, even at the level of defense ministries.

“Due to the unavailability of facilities for servicing the units and components, the serviceability of the Su-30MKI fighter fleet is gradually decreasing, and the need for AOG components for urgent replacement is growing,” the representatives of the plant in Nasik again implore in a demonstrative letter to Rosboronexport 24 December 2013. Even the revised deadlines obliged the Russians to organize on HAL by December 2013 repair and maintenance facilities, and by June 2014 to serve the first aircraft. Nothing of the kind is expected.

Even worse, Russia has suspended the dispatch of Sukhoi specialists to India to help organize repairs and maintenance. Documents that are in the possession of The Sunday Guardian, say that the parties bicker at the price. This is contrary to the agreement that the sending of Russian specialists will not be interrupted, even if the negotiations on prices have not been completed. In the absence of Russian specialists, HAL is forced to cope on its own, while the number of aircraft chained to the ground is growing.

“A huge number of defective parts are lying around at various Air Force bases in anticipation of repair,” representatives of HAL said, also reporting that the number of Su-30 fighters that are not performing flights in anticipation of urgent repairs is increasing. The Russians were informed that five Su-30MKIs are already in HAL in anticipation of a major overhaul, and 15 should be repaired this year. This number is equivalent to the whole squadron.








While complaining about the delays of the Russian side, HAL expresses even more helplessness: “Rosoboronexport and Irkut Corporation (main parties to the contract) seem to have limited influence on other Russian companies (which supply vital parts, such as engines).” Supplies of consumables and secondment of specialists by other companies are even more irregular.

Warning that the operation of fighters without permanent elimination of repetitive faults may affect pilots' confidence in themselves, Air Marshal PS Ahluwalia (PS Ahluwalia), who recently headed the Western Command of the Indian Air Force, addresses questions about the deplorable state of affairs to the representatives of HAL and the Ministry of Defense of India: “The problem is in the errors of service management organization. Responsibility lies with the Defense Production Department of the Ministry of Defense. They could not solve these problems. ”

Half of the Su-30 Indian Air Force is chained to the ground


Marshal Ahluwalia didn’t doubt for three months to ban flights of the MiG-29 fighter jets for three months as the head of the Western Command of the Indian Air Force, when after the crash of one aircraft there were suspicions about their suitability for operation. He allowed them to fly again only after the maintenance problem was solved.

The figures show how acute the Su-30MKI serviceability problem is for the Indian Air Force. Only 50% of these fighters are in a flightable condition. For the French Mirage-2000 as part of the Indian Air Force, and even for Russian MiG-29 fighters, this figure is approximately 75%. While India is bargaining with Russia for more favorable conditions of service, a reasonable question arises: what kind of good is weaponswhich can not be used?
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  1. Nayhas
    Nayhas 22 March 2014 08: 07
    +10
    I have a terrible sore throat and it seems like deja vu began ... Do I have a feeling that this article already existed, or are these the consequences of high temperature?
    1. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 22 March 2014 08: 26
      +20
      Quote: Nayhas
      I have a terrible sore throat and it seems like deja vu began ... Do I have a feeling that this article already existed, or are these the consequences of high temperature?


      all right is a button accordion, and cut. there was a comment that all the problems were due to the Indians' reluctance to go through all that as expected. ..
      1. ArhipenkoAndrey
        ArhipenkoAndrey 22 March 2014 14: 03
        +4
        I agree - they are saving or waiting for kickbacks, but the delay due to the fault of the Indian side is a direct run over to deliveries of Russian planes, corruption is also flourishing in India, and the French also do not regret it, the commercial struggle as well as politics is not always honest.
      2. ArhipenkoAndrey
        ArhipenkoAndrey 22 March 2014 14: 03
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        I agree - they are saving or waiting for kickbacks, but the delay due to the fault of the Indian side is a direct run over to deliveries of Russian planes, corruption is also flourishing in India, and the French are also not sorry for the Baboons.
      3. bif
        bif 23 March 2014 14: 23
        +3
        Quote: Geisenberg
        there was a comment that all the problems were due to the Indians' reluctance to go through all that as expected. ..

        All the problems with new weapons in the Indian Armed Forces come from the banal "bourgeois" mentality "to snatch and save at least somewhere." Problems with the delivery of "Gorshkov" - due to the replacement of refractory insulation in boilers - they demanded to replace asbestos with clay brick - "more environmentally friendly and economical", the result of the sea trials was covered by "mother's organ" ... With the submarine "Sindurakshak" - they demanded to be replaced original batteries for "our own, made in India, it will be cheaper," the result is an explosion, casualties and the submarine is incapacitated ... With planes from the same "opera" ...
        All this reminds a friend: I didn’t eat, didn’t drink, I bought a supported Gelik G400. The proud one cut through the village, however, not for long - in order to save money, he poured a diesel engine out of the tractor, the result was both a turbine reminder and repair at the cost of a car floor, and, of course, the manufacturers were to blame for it.
        1. kplayer
          kplayer 24 March 2014 03: 28
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          A thinking reader familiar with Russian reality will certainly have a question, did the Indians try to save money? Or did ours do a "disservice" from the lost former competence (ie incompetence)? I do not think that the Indians are above ours and direct the construction ("they demanded to replace asbestos with clay brick" - even a specialist would not be confused by the difference in the mass of materials).
          Quote: bif
          All problems with the new weapons of the Indian Armed Forces from the banal "philistine" mentality of "snatch and save at least somewhere."

          This is exactly about us (remembering the modernized T-72B3), I don’t know about the Indians.
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    2. kplayer
      kplayer 22 March 2014 18: 01
      -3
      Hide and forget, a miracle may happen and the problem will resolve, but as usual the "miracle" does not happen.
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      2. kplayer
        kplayer 23 March 2014 12: 01
        -2
        Infantile "minus shots" went, once they destroyed their dream of a miracle, okay about Santa Claus he kept silent. Stop collecting all sorts of rumors and gossip and engage in self-hypnosis, scribblers, dreamers, forget about India, think about your planes (as well as about missiles, helicopters, tanks and infantry fighting vehicles) what excuses are there?

        OKB “Sukhoi” cooperates with suppliers from France, India and Israel (without China). But why? The answer is obvious.
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          1. bif
            bif 23 March 2014 21: 44
            +1
            Quote: kplayer
            .................................deleted by moderator Apollo !

            "Ehsperd" you forgot your Chevron!
        3. bif
          bif 23 March 2014 21: 35
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          Quote: kplayer
          OKB “Sukhoi” cooperates with suppliers from France, India and Israel (without China). But why? The answer is obvious.

          1. Cooperation for civilian purposes - in the framework of the SuperJet project, for unification and economy, I do not see anything shameful.
          2. Cooperation for military purposes - French and Israeli equipment are installed on Export aircraft of the Su-30MKI type for the same India and on other Export models according to Customer Requirement, ours will easily refuse foreign components, but only the Purchasing country will suffer.
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          2. kplayer
            kplayer 23 March 2014 22: 16
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            Ha! so your identity, arrogant swagger! (continue to collect information on resources), but for yourself to prove to you and not only, there is no need.
            Over the years of service, he believed in the saying "The more oak trees in the army, the stronger our defense" (also about commanders and chiefs).
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          4. kplayer
            kplayer 25 March 2014 21: 46
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            Quote: bif
            1. Cooperation for civilian purposes - in the framework of the SuperJet project, for unification and economy, I do not see anything shameful.
            2. Cooperation for military purposes - French and Israeli equipment are installed on Export aircraft of the Su-30MKI type for the same India and on other Export models according to Customer Requirement, ours will easily refuse foreign components, but only the Purchasing country will suffer.

            - Discoverer
            It would be more correct "... at the request of the customer, if the technical product meets the declared characteristics and operational requirements."

            PS: Docs pass with a link to the office. officials, in all other cases these are deliberately spread rumors and gossip ("duck", now called "information war") in order to justify themselves in the eyes of public opinion, for example.
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  2. Artem1967
    Artem1967 22 March 2014 08: 34
    +3
    We undermine our authority as a reliable partner in friendly India. The arms manufacturers of other countries will win. Do we need this?
    1. andrey777
      andrey777 22 March 2014 09: 16
      +3
      Quote: Artem1967
      We undermine our authority as a reliable partner in friendly India. The arms manufacturers of other countries will win. Do we need this?

      it has its own policy, apparently Russia wants India to buy weapons only from us and not enter into contracts with other countries. There is a little pressure, as everyone is doing, including the Americans, but this is purely my opinion.
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 22 March 2014 09: 56
      +2
      Quote: Artem1967
      We undermine our authority as a reliable partner in friendly India. The arms manufacturers of other countries will win. Do we need this?

      The French and Rafal are also undermining authority, they sign a contract for two years and there is no end in sight.
      It’s not just working with Indians.
      1. Petr1
        Petr1 22 March 2014 10: 18
        0
        and Indians want to eat fish and fly above all oh how they want, and they want free labor laughing comrades, will we do the Russians?
      2. rasputin17
        rasputin17 22 March 2014 12: 47
        +14
        It’s not just working with Indians.

        Of course not easy !! They are by nature traders and for a penny they will strangle themselves !! I personally had to work with them !! They considered more my money as much as I earn on them without taking into account that I need people to pay salaries, social benefits and insurance plus taxes and customs duties with excise taxes !! This they do not want to see but only say how much they pay !! And many times they come to senility !!! My people in Delhi on a business trip living at their base were forced to pay for toilet paper and soap in the bathroom just because it was not provided for by the contract !!!!!!!!
  3. aviamed90
    aviamed90 22 March 2014 09: 19
    +5
    Unobtrusive Russian service ... And effective management.
    1. dmit-xnumx
      dmit-xnumx 22 March 2014 10: 47
      +9
      Take your time to draw conclusions, we have only one point of view.
      1. rasputin17
        rasputin17 22 March 2014 12: 49
        +2
        You can read mine above !! If this is the case now, it means they themselves are to blame and are looking, as always, for the extreme but not for themselves !!!
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 24 March 2014 18: 04
          +1
          As a rule, that gouging nedoyurist is guilty that the contract was drawn up and stupidly too lazy to specifically register all the main points and subparagraphs and the boss who signed such an agreement strongly did not delve into anything other than the amount of payment.
          I myself regularly encounter such gouging work.
  4. Petr1
    Petr1 22 March 2014 09: 21
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    let them fly on corn, there is no need for maintenance wassat
  5. irk_tma
    irk_tma 22 March 2014 09: 26
    +2
    Quote: Artem1967
    We undermine our authority as a reliable partner in friendly India. The arms manufacturers of other countries will win. Do we need this?

    look for the full article, everything is painted there

    this article minus the button accordion!
  6. uhu189
    uhu189 22 March 2014 09: 29
    +3
    Is it from the series repetition - the mother of learning? The article was already there, it was pulled out of the archive, cut and for some reason hung again ... What is the point? Put a minus
  7. DeOS78RU
    DeOS78RU 22 March 2014 10: 20
    +1
    the article is absolutely in the spirit of the 5th column ... concoct a fake or pervert the facts and scare sho guano until blue in the face ...
  8. Samurai3X
    Samurai3X 22 March 2014 10: 27
    +9
    The article is VERY one-sided ... My relative trained Indian officers on their submarines there ...
    They C * UT DIRECTLY IN THE CABIN! And then they say that everything is okay, after him the sailor will remove. Uncle's jaw lifted for a long time.
    So far, they have no idea about military discipline and what can and cannot be done.
    They already have 3 submarine accidents, but there are no complaints about Russia.
    Lord Indians ... This is not an ax and not a crowbar. These are high-tech products that need to be cherished and cherished.
  9. Dezinto
    Dezinto 22 March 2014 10: 46
    +5
    What kind of people? They either have our boat drowning right at the pier, or planes do not fly. Everything works for us, but they don’t. Get your hands out of the priests !!! And it works.
  10. dmit-xnumx
    dmit-xnumx 22 March 2014 10: 52
    +10
    Kshatriya warriors, do not whine, but press on your government, even if it pays according to the contracts. Russia is different from the USSR with its fraternal, gratuitous help. The capitalists have taught us very well how to count money, the bachelor’s end is over.
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 24 March 2014 18: 07
      +1
      Yes, it’s no different.
      All the same naive hope for the decency of the cunning Asians in the preparation of the contract.
  11. shark
    shark 22 March 2014 11: 21
    +5
    Someone posts one and the same article. Unequivocally decadent. Comrades! But have not among us tolerant maydaunas?
  12. SLOVO
    SLOVO 22 March 2014 11: 38
    +6
    In India, the level of corruption is high, therefore, there are problems with THAT. They wanted to do MOT on their own, as a result they broke on-board computers. No wonder. ChSV does not allow learning from Russian specialists, or there is no banal money.
  13. muginov2015
    muginov2015 22 March 2014 11: 51
    0
    what do you want from a country where the whole population in the mornings walks out together on a street square interspersed by women and men and shit without hesitation friend-to-friend. Who does not believe google interesting photos.
  14. valokordin
    valokordin 22 March 2014 11: 58
    +1
    Shit, not shit, but money is paid and planes must fly. If everything is in our specialists, then it smells of sabotage. And also you need to look, maybe these are US bookmarks, after which the on-board computers fail.
    1. Takashi
      Takashi 22 March 2014 12: 19
      0
      I agree. They’re shredding right on the spot - this is the tenth thing. If there is a technique, it must fly. In addition, the Su-30 is only 10 years old, and 50% is no longer combat ready.

      Probably for this reason, they began a gradual U-turn on the Raphaels.

      In general, after-sales service is the weakest link in our aviation industry.
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 22 March 2014 19: 36
        0
        Quote: Takashi
        Probably for this reason, they began a gradual U-turn on the Raphaels.


        But no, India needs a light and heavy fighter - that is, Rafal and Sushka. They will complement each other.
      2. cenych
        cenych 22 March 2014 20: 12
        +1
        Who is to blame for them that they cannot normally do at their plants? The problems are just with those built in India.
      3. samoletil18
        samoletil18 22 March 2014 21: 00
        +1
        Yeah, in 1988, after a year of training in auto business, where the engines were installed, where they put them, Prerod asks: after how many thousand kilometers is the replacement of antifreeze in Zaporozhets?
        Five people began to rummage in the textbook. It’s like: almost the whole group (I, too, true) studied by pulling, for free rights, at school I got, recruited. So with the Indians - not from a suitable caste, even if they were Lomonosov, they won’t let shocks above the harvest. But, albeit, but from the right caste - serve the fighters, our man ...
  15. super-vitek
    super-vitek 22 March 2014 12: 28
    +10
    They built a DRLO machine for the Indians, such as our future A-100s. So, in conversations with them, I realized that they are people who can defend their positions !!! And I agree that we are undermining our authority. An example is the construction of these machines, or rather, on the deep modernization. The plant management at least four times reviewed the financial side of the contract, respectively, in turn, while as soon as the contract was concluded soon most of the authorities moved to new cars !!!! Isn't it strange ??? The first car was upgraded before it was raised to air FOR THREE YEARS !!! Is this normal ??? As soon as the first car got on the wing the top management received bonuses with six zeros, they didn’t give workers five hundred rubles each !!!! So back to the Hindus, the very patient Hindus !!! When the next time our Indians demanded to renegotiate the contract, the Indians said firm NO and then there was fuss about where to get the money ???
  16. Metlik
    Metlik 22 March 2014 13: 12
    +1
    I would like to know, after all, what has been done since the problem was solved?
  17. EvilLion
    EvilLion 22 March 2014 13: 29
    +2
    15 Years of Hindus were happy with everything, some crap suddenly came out. It seems to me it's just a fake printed in Kiev.
  18. sv68
    sv68 22 March 2014 14: 14
    +1
    but this article was already on the site. I will say, for Indians, 50-50 live on a prince, I can drip I can not dig. I worked with them in the same company, move only after you cover them with mat. The bosses got rid of them slowly, a new director came not one but TWO brigades of Indians, and a fairy tale with a terrible end began
  19. Azaat
    Azaat 22 March 2014 14: 31
    +2
    The caste among the Indians has not yet been canceled. So they are waiting for someone to do something for their work for nothing. But I would say that ours are good, that that good equipment should have maintenance, and I think that it is not as good as ours.
  20. supertiger21
    supertiger21 22 March 2014 15: 05
    +3
    Something I didn’t understand! This article already was, why clone it belay ?!
  21. kplayer
    kplayer 22 March 2014 15: 20
    +2
    How do I understand the Indians' problems with electronics and software? The modernized Su-27SM and the latest family of machines (Su-35S, Su-34) have the same problems, I wonder how many really combat-ready aircraft are in the native Air Force? For example, when metal-working machine tools (centers) with CNC have similar problems, the gimp lasts for years and no one except the supplier will fix it.
    No need in this case about those. service (TO) scratch!

    PS: There is cause for concern.
    1. bif
      bif 23 March 2014 23: 16
      +1
      How do I understand the Indians' problems with electronics and software? The modernized Su-27СМ and the latest aircraft of the family (Su-35С, Su-34) have the same problems, I wonder how many really combat-ready aircraft are in the native Air Force?
      The Indians have Su-30MKI electronics and software, which are very different from Sushki for the RF Armed Forces. Before writing another nonsense, at least in the Basurmanskaya Viki, we would have looked "Su-30MKI (modernized, commercial, Indian; Flanker-H) - a version of the Su-30MK for India. A multifunctional two-seat fighter with a forward horizontal tail and an engine with a deflected thrust vector (AL -31FP), s Avionics production in the framework of international cooperation Russia - France - Israel - India, with the new N011M radar with a passive phased antenna array (PFAR) and an expanded composition of air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons "So the brainchild of" cooperation "imposed by the Indians themselves is breaking, I think that without the participation of homegrown Indian The Kulibins also did not manage.
      So there is no reason for concern, at least for the pilots of the Russian Federation
  22. voliador
    voliador 22 March 2014 15: 42
    0
    The more complex the technique, the more qualified pilots and maintenance personnel must be. And the Indians, like the Arabs, always had problems with this.
    1. kplayer
      kplayer 22 March 2014 17: 15
      0
      4-5 years are studying (more often abroad, or in the Russian Federation) only "Losers"? Testing on the ground is inconsistent with in-flight failures during overload.
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  23. kplayer
    kplayer 22 March 2014 16: 30
    0
    But we have everything in order with this, especially with a small air force (170 thousand people, including air defense and aerospace defense troops) for such a country, and if you still profess the principle "does not break with someone who does not fly" ( 180 hours a year, that is, about 240-250 hours I am silent), then there will be no problems at all and you can not itch. It is not enough for a combat aircraft (not a "circus" one) to fly, it still has to effectively use modern weapons (UR and UAB).
  24. robot bender
    robot bender 22 March 2014 16: 50
    0
    LITTLE LOCATION FOR HINDERS FOR CONTRACTS
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 22 March 2014 19: 39
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      Quote: Robot Bender
      LITTLE LOCATION FOR HINDERS FOR CONTRACTS


      The Su-30MKI was delivered to the Indians long before the MiG-35 was defeated in an Indian tender.
  25. kanifas
    kanifas 22 March 2014 18: 14
    0
    These are gypsies, it’s not possible to watch the maintenance and management of their equipment without tears (I watched their submarines under repair).
  26. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 22 March 2014 18: 22
    0
    It is hard to believe that warranty aircraft has been brought to this state.
  27. kplayer
    kplayer 22 March 2014 18: 50
    0
    The bottom line is that most cars can fly, but because cannot use their capabilities to 100%, because by decision of the Indian military remain on the ground. Plus disagreements in the terms of the contract, i.e. in legal nuances (independent refinement of the guarantee machine). In addition, at present, all the modest resources of the manufacturer are engaged in meeting the needs of the domestic air force.
  28. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 22 March 2014 19: 06
    +2
    Serviceability of aircraft is determined not only by the ability to take off. However, it is difficult, without knowing the doers, to determine the guilt of the operating organization or manufacturer. But experience suggests, Indians do not finish something. I do not think that the manufacturer, tied to the warranty technology, fulfilling an expensive contract, took and abandoned the warranty service like that. I do not believe. Either the Indians squint, or the article is left. wink
    1. Retribution
      Retribution 23 March 2014 02: 14
      0
      an article in Russian saying - shit ... judge only by one factor - there is no photocopy of the contract in Russian, but it should be ...
  29. Garik1971
    Garik1971 22 March 2014 19: 16
    -1
    Guys ! You will remember a submarine with a terrible name! The instruction says that it is written in blood. It is impossible to simultaneously produce an "active" charge and simultaneously load ammunition ... Stupidity and greed are punishable .... If petty-mindedness becomes a national priority, it is simply shameful. PS B in the army served the MiG-29 product 9-12.
  30. Garik1971
    Garik1971 22 March 2014 19: 35
    -2
    Once my jaw dropped specifically, when a technician was refilling the plane with water taken from a puddle. And two more times when I saw a wire with a loop on the pilot's helmet, and when I saw an airplane with a fairing removed, and there was no "saucer" -that plastic from squares.
  31. kplayer
    kplayer 22 March 2014 20: 25
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    Quote: Garik1971
    ... when I saw the plane with the fairing removed, and there was no "saucer", but some kind of plastic made of squares.

    - Radar antenna with HEADLIGHTS, "dish" at the Doppler radar
    Quote: ODERVIT
    But experience suggests, Indians do not finish something.

    You do not understand, the Indians can not, do not have the right to modify.
  32. go
    go 22 March 2014 21: 02
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    I don’t know if it is fake or not, but I know that it is better to conclude a service contract with the manufacturer, and not with the intermediary seller. Therefore, from the outside, Rosoboronexport is an extra link until Russian companies themselves can sell and serve on the international market. It is clear that it is one thing to sign a contract and sell, another thing to serve. I wouldn’t conclude a contract with Rosoboronexport for servicing on the site of the Indians, but would conclude it with the manufacturer, because what Rosoboronexport can do is go to the manufacturer with whom it is possible that service relations are poorly regulated.

    In general, if the Indians are right, then, firstly, the shame on Rosoboronexport for having undertaken obligations that it cannot fulfill, and the Indians themselves are suckers - it was necessary to conclude a contract with the manufacturer for the service. Sometimes, even what is written in the contract does not need to be trusted, but common sense must be trusted. I know from experience that, for example, the Chinese make any concessions in the contract just to sell, problems begin later, when they can’t fulfill it, but it’s often too late to change something .... therefore common sense and mentality should always be taken into account .
    1. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer 23 March 2014 02: 09
      +2
      And where is the after-sales service? Anything that the Indian SU-30MKI is collecting under license from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited in India? Here is their website: http://www.hal-india.com/AircraftNasik/products.asp
      The problem with them are the on-board computers, which are of Indian assembly and displays made in Israel and France. Moreover, the Indians insisted on pushing in there not Russian equipment there and got the result. I'm not talking about build quality and production culture.
      They somehow cram in it is not known what and it is not known how, but the Russians are to blame? Or do they think that "Rafali" will overpower with their playful little hands?
      1. go
        go 24 March 2014 01: 00
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        Quote: Drosselmeyer
        And where is the after-sales service? Anything that the Indian SU-30MKI is collecting under license from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited in India? Here is their website: http://www.hal-india.com/AircraftNasik/products.asp
        The problem with them are the on-board computers, which are of Indian assembly and displays made in Israel and France. Moreover, the Indians insisted on pushing in there not Russian equipment there and got the result. I'm not talking about build quality and production culture.
        They somehow cram in it is not known what and it is not known how, but the Russians are to blame? Or do they think that "Rafali" will overpower with their playful little hands?


        I wrote "if the Indians are right", my comment was on the general topic of the service.

        But I read these faxes again from the Indians: they write that the problem is in the MS software, and that our advised (if ours get involved in this, then they have to do with this equipment, if they don’t have, then it was necessary to send these claims right away or to sort it out for some headstock) download the new 11i software, which should have solved the problem, but the problem remained. The key in this matter is that the Indians write that the problem appeared on an airplane of the first phase (phase 1) of the Russian assembly. Those. if this plane with all components was made in Russia, then the Indians are right - the Russians are guilty, if not, then the requirements for additional payment are valid if they want the Russians to deal with this. But, it is clear that the Indians are cunning and most likely want to solve their problem at the expense of others.
  33. Fanat1984
    Fanat1984 23 March 2014 00: 29
    +3
    Gentlemen, it’s not good that the Indians have such a build quality that, for example, the T-90 tanks assembled in India, the Indian army refused to take into service ... But then generally planes ... fool
  34. Fanat1984
    Fanat1984 23 March 2014 00: 30
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    By the way, the Indians buy tanks of Russian production, and all the same T-90 !!! bully
  35. Retribution
    Retribution 23 March 2014 02: 07
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    the article is positive in general, which the author did not count on. positive for me personally in 3 points (forgetting the type of obligations) - 1) Indians will not be able to fight against the Russian Federation, 2) stabilization of the influence on the sides of India-China international relations, and the Russian Federation can really put pressure on them; 3) The Russian Federation can put pressure on the Indians if Pakistan is in the orbit of interests ...
    PS: India is beginning to understand that weapons themselves are unya if they are in hangars
  36. Rominag
    Rominag 23 March 2014 02: 21
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    This article has already come across more than once.
    Here, this topic was also discussed very well - http://bmpd.livejournal.com/778718.html

    Important "thoughts" from the LJ discussion
    "There is also an Indian board! (+ Israeli-French)
    The Indus did the central processor of the locator, the rest - you need to see, but certainly more.
    What are the claims to us? If this is a licensed assembly, then our components probably didn't even hold in their hands! "

    и
    "1) Su-30MKI is produced not by Sukhoi, but by HAL under license. This is where the demand is.
    2) On-board computers Indian, ILS and MF displays Israeli and French. It would be surprising if there were no compatibility issues.
    3) The French may face a similar problem, as the Indians have been bargaining for two years now, trying to hold Dassault responsible for the future 106 Rafales of the Indian licensed assembly. According to the latest information, the French still managed to fight off such happiness. "
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  38. Garik1971
    Garik1971 23 March 2014 15: 57
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    Quote: Garik1971
    Once my jaw dropped specifically, when a technician was refilling the plane with water taken from a puddle. And two more times when I saw a wire with a loop on the pilot's helmet, and when I saw an airplane with a fairing removed, and there was no "saucer" -that plastic from squares.

    Quote: Garik1971
    Once my jaw dropped specifically, when a technician was refilling the plane with water taken from a puddle. And two more times when I saw a wire with a loop on the pilot's helmet, and when I saw an airplane with a fairing removed, and there was no "saucer" -that plastic from squares.

    So! I wrote my army impressions, from the first miracles I saw such as a phased passive array, helmet-mounted weapon control, and the amazing reliability of our equipment, I didn’t write a lot .. I brought the story of the submarine to malnutrition ... I’ve been instructed (I’m upset). And I realized, there are fools everywhere, and one should not be offended by them. And cretins should be so sympathetic :).
  39. Barakuda
    Barakuda 23 March 2014 17: 50
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    They themselves wanted their own version, with imported and their electronics - get the result. And study at UNIVERSITIES not for grandmothers, but as Vietnamese - I remember how even with songs we went to the canteen.
  40. Barakuda
    Barakuda 23 March 2014 18: 00
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    "but here are military KamAZ trucks in Russia"
    In the Tyumen region. mainly the Urals use for example. KamAZ trucks are only as sit-on tractors on "normal" roads.
  41. kplayer
    kplayer 24 March 2014 03: 46
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    Quote: bif
    Before writing another nonsense, at least in a Basurm Wiki, you would have looked ...

    That's certainly nonsense! Have you left the argument for someone else’s assembly in reserve?
    Export modification "MKI", the so-called "commercial" means that either an option is provided in the complete set, or absolutely not, it is not provided (only standard), which is confirmed by tests and guarantees, no one will arbitrarily stick anything into the car. If there was a desire, as if, but just to "vparit", then vparili, and now pride in export deliveries (they still were, and it was the modification of "MKI") has changed to "I am not me, and the horse is not mine."
    Quote: bif
    So there is no reason for concern, at least for the pilots of the Russian Federation

    Bloggers and journalists think they are in the know, if cars fly, then they are fully functional, well, think. There is no doubt that the revision will be completed, in our time, all world BS developers have no problems with onboard REO.
  42. kplayer
    kplayer 24 March 2014 19: 40
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    Okay, once again ... each technical product / device has a guaranteed resource, MTBF, in this regard, special attention is paid to the resource indicators of non-repairable components (processors, LCD displays, etc.). The outright idiocy of the Hindus (which is hard to believe) to use properly untested imported products. I admit that they used "compatible" (tested, but untested) devices recommended by OKB.