Aircraft carrier "George Bush"

The largest warship in the world. Its construction began in 2003 year and cost 6,5 billion dollars to US taxpayers. I propose to look at one of the most modern American ships - the aircraft carrier "George Bush".

For starters the facts. The exact name of the ship is USS George HW Bush (CVN 77). This is one of the 11 American nuclear aircraft carriers of the Nimitz class. The largest warship in the world. The ship was commissioned by the US Army in 2009. Here are its not full tactical and technical characteristics: displacement - 110 000 tons, long - 332.8 m, has two nuclear reactors, accelerates to 60km / h. The ship transports 90 airplanes, helicopters and fighters, serviced by a crew of 3,200 people. Able to sail up to 20 years without refueling. A sort of modern "Noah's Ark".

This ship contains the latest achievements of the 21 century in the field of shipbuilding. Among them - a new hull design, curved to increase buoyancy; innovative coverage to reduce radar visibility; screws of a certain configuration and much more.

Aircraft class "Nimitz" modular. Each of the modules is assembled separately, delivered and attached to other modules in the final stage of construction.

The control tower is equipped with the most modern means of navigation, satellite communications, powerful radar systems capable of controlling the situation in the air, on water and under water for hundreds of kilometers around. The cabin itself, as well as the entire ship, is covered with a 67mm layer of Kevlar armor.

The cabin and antennas are maximally shifted to the edge of the deck, which made it possible to increase the space for take-off / landing of aircraft.

On the deck of an aircraft carrier dozens of attack aircraft and fighters, including F / A-18 Hornet, F-35C, AV-8B Harrier II:

Boeing F / A-18E / F Super Hornet:

Sailor Victor Benish on duty during the passage of an aircraft carrier through the Strait of Gibraltar. Parents of the guy immigrated to the USA from Ukraine:

Military pilots:

"George Bush" in the strait. The picture was taken from the escort ship:

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One of the 17-T aircraft carrier support ships, the destroyer USS Truxtun (DDG-103):

USS Philippine Sea Missile Cruiser (CG-58):

Missile Destroyer (DDG 51) is awaiting access to the USNS Patuxent military transport fuel vehicle (T-AO 201) in the center, while Patuxent refuels the USS Leyte Gulf missile cruiser (CG 55) on the right, and the Roosevelt missile destroyer left . Ships are preparing for the final layout, led by the aircraft carrier "George Bush" to achieve readiness to perform the tasks:

There are preparations on the deck. Destroyer sailors are preparing the ship to receive fuel:

Landing a helicopter on one of the escort ships:

Sailors on watch during refueling:

Fuel quality check:

In the holds of the aircraft carrier a huge shop with machines and spare parts. You can fix the aircraft carrier itself and any aircraft. By the way, more than 2 500 people are involved in the maintenance of flight crews. Among them are women.

All aircraft are launched from the deck using a catapult. The principle of its operation is very similar to a slingshot: the plane clings to the front landing gear for the accelerating device. The operator sets the mass and the required value of acceleration into the system and it selects the optimal speed or “tension” for the acceleration device.

The aircraft will accelerate the engine and then the start button of the catapult is pressed.

The fighter "shoots into the sky" and then continues its independent flight. With landing, the situation is much more complicated. The pilot needs to hook on the brake hook to the cable, the tension of which increases depending on the weight and speed of the landing ship.

The only exceptions are helicopters and fighters capable of taking off vertically.

Everyone on the ship is busy working. A typical sailor’s day consists of an 12 watch for hours with meals, 4x hours of personal time, and 8 hours of sleep.

To feed more than 5 000 people, the ship crew team works tirelessly around the clock.

In addition to the usual service on the ship, various kinds of training and testing of emergency situations are conducted. During the voyage, sailors learn many specialties and professions in order to replace comrades if necessary. It also test the latest intelligence using unmanned vehicles.

On the ship there is a detachment of rapid response.

Teachings. Search and capture of the "terrorist" who got on board:

The night Watch:

Every sailor on any warship does not want to fight. He dreams of returning home to family and friends.

My personal opinion is this: no country in the world today is able to withstand the military the fleet USA and NATO. If you do not take into account the atomic weapon, the use of which irreversibly leads to the death of both sides of the conflict.

Comments

[Canep]

They seem to have a chef - colonel (colonel), and an assistant - a lieutenant colonel? Not bad, they saw the loot.

[BARR-D]

Quote: Rusin№1

Well, yes, the dough is kneading.
It would be better if with the help of the sailors they built their summer houses.

These times are in many respects already in the past, which cannot be said about the Ukrainian army and your "kind of" subtle trolling sounds just ridiculous, go clean the backyard (passage) from the shit, it's done.

You have driven your country into an economic asshole with your Russophobia and desire for Europe, you don't do a fucking thing, but Russia is to blame for everything. Only before tearing there would you first figure out what it threatens, + and -. Going to the countries of eastern Europe (Poland-Romania-Bulgaria-Hungary, etc.) and chat with the people, find out how they live, how they work. For the worst part, go through the forums, but not the top ones where there is censorship, read what people write there. And after that, turn on the brain instead of the ass and think about your future !!! Search the Internet for what was built in these countries during the USSR and what was built during the European Union, except for shopping centers - fucking hot !!! And you go there !!!

PS: Interestingly, the "fraternal European Union" will open markets for your products on equal terms with their products? Interestingly, the "fraternal European Union" will give cheap loans without benefits for itself? Interestingly, the "fraternal European Union" will give a discount on gas at a loss for itself? Interestingly, the "fraternal European Union" will invest in industry and defense? I think the answer is obvious, but if you don’t understand this, don’t want to understand, or you understand and think that this is how it should be, then good luck, my dear Ukrainian friend.

[W1950]

You don’t have to travel far, the Baltic states are all ruined that you can, people are earning money in Europe. And given that Ukraine will be at the end of the line, it’s unlikely that they will break off any work in Europe. the next 20 years does not shine, the Germans and the French said about this).

[Max_Bauder]

Quote: BARR-D

Search on the Internet what was built in these countries under the USSR and what was built under the European Union, except for shopping centers - fucking !!! And you roll there !!! PS: Interestingly, the "fraternal European Union" will open markets for your products on equal terms with their products? Interestingly, the "fraternal European Union" will give cheap loans without benefits for itself? Interestingly, the "fraternal European Union" will give a discount on gas at a loss for itself? Interestingly, the "fraternal European Union" will invest in industry and defense? I think the answer is obvious, but if you don’t understand this, don’t want to understand, or you understand and think that this is how it should be, then good luck, my dear Ukrainian friend.

You rightly say dude, such praises of the US army and the "development" of the EU, to whom you are writing, do not understand that this power is just made to enslave foreign peoples, turn their countries into chaos and devastation, the population into poverty, plunging into local wars, for at the expense of their devastation to suck out all the resources of the country, like mosquitoes human blood and live off them. One involuntarily recalls a plot from the film "War of the Worlds" with Tom Cruise in the title role. There, aliens enslaved people, after them there was a scorched and unusable land, but in reality this is what the United States does.

These AUGs and feeding 3200 people. in peacetime on an aircraft carrier alone do you think (referring to the USA praisers) at the expense of the American taxpayer is happening? their whole army? at the expense of their economy is supplied?

Нет!

They simply print their dollars, the amount of which no one controls, pay for oil and gas with "candy wrappers", give loans to countries with high interest rates and repay debts with real natural resources, which is what they live on.

Yes, this whole army is fed to conquer! why spend billions on the army in peacetime? So that the US has "free" gasoline, cheap clothing and food.

Praisers may object, but why do other countries say they themselves are not developing? and they will offer an answer - the leadership of their country is mired in corruption, it steals and the people are lazy and stupid. Themselves to blame! What is stopping them?

Нет!

It hinders and the whole life will be hindered by the USA and the EU. Take a look at the story.

The entire history of Europe is permeated with colonization, I will not start with Rome, because I think that there was prosperity in their era, just read their achievement in history, but all ancient civilization, Egypt, Greece, were the heirs of the knowledge that possibly existed Anlantida, but when after them came "untrained "barbarians, the era of the fall has come. These people could bring nothing to the World except devastation. All these inquisitions, witch hunts, hereinafter "Great" discoveries, I would call the "Great genocide". Since then, all over 700 years, all the riches of the continents of the Planet Earth went to Europe and America: people-slaves, gold, silk, spices, and so on for a penny and even for free. And this policy is still happening in relation to many weak countries.
Only the Romans, more precisely Byzantium, came to Russia to enlighten, from them remained written language, names and Orthodoxy. The rest all came to rob. All attacks on Russia went precisely for this purpose. Starting with the Mongols, then Turks, Swedes, Napoleon, and Hitler. Now the US and the EU. They all need Russia's wealth. To do this, they always, throughout history, will bribe the right people, weave plots, destroy the economy through isolation and boycott, make revolutions and even declare war, just as they did. Their destiny is to parasitize.

[Setrac]

Quote: Max_Bauder

to whom you write, they don’t understand that this power has been done to enslave other peoples, turn their countries into chaos and devastation, the population into poverty,

Who plus article scream in ecstasy
Zig Heil.

[Fandorin]

You shouldn’t be so, the pictures are high-quality, the material is relevant. The enemy must be known in person. Respect to the author.

[Basswawa81]

Suchara fascist!

[Blackmokona]

The EU has already opened markets, unilaterally for Ukraine
It will also give loans, it will not work without benefits for itself, since the political benefits of issuing such loans are undeniable.
Just the facts.

[Nayhas]

Quote: Canep

They seem to have a chef - colonel (colonel), and an assistant - a lieutenant colonel? Not bad, they saw the loot.

There is no colonel title in United States Navy. The supply department is commanded by Commander (underground overland), the galley is only one of the divisions of the supply department, the foremen are in charge of the galley, Ensign maximum, that is midshipman (aka chest).

[Containers]

In the photo, only as cooks are Captain (Colonel in the army) and Commander (Lt. Colonel in the army). Polkan and subpolkan in our opinion. Above there, they already have admirals. So it goes.

[AVV]

Quote: Canep

They seem to have a chef - colonel (colonel), and an assistant - a lieutenant colonel? Not bad, they saw the loot.

And under the water it will look much better !!!

[Igor39]

The ship is impressive.

[serega.fedotov]

Quote: Igor39

The ship is impressive.

Only some of the characteristics are at least surprising: "Invasion materials that reduce radio visibility" is that if, instead of a fool of 330 meters, the target is 300 meters on the artillery radar, will it change something?
In addition, Americans always significantly overestimate the combat capabilities of their equipment, then they are surprised.

[Sea snake]

Scanty article. For some reason there are no pictures on the back of the cabin. I don’t put anything in the article.


Click on the pictures for normal viewing.

[pilot8878]

These are special radio-absorbing openings so that the radar does not see anything at all and is completely at a loss.

[Val_y]

This is how it will look better, with all 11 pieces

[kplayer]

The farther to the horizon, the visibility is less, i.e. the signature of the ship at greater distances is further reduced.

[Basswawa81]

they forgot about the old cow - the TITANIC, and made a new one ... the road is there for them.

[Val_y]

But I wonder how many Yahont missiles of the Bastion system or the Kh-35E Bal system are needed in order to fill up such an "iron".
By the way, read the story "Drowning the Enterprise" "I was lying

[Nayhas]

Quote: Val_Y

But I wonder how many Yahont missiles of the Bastion system or the Kh-35E of the Bal system are needed in order to fill up such an "iron"

No matter how much, aircraft carriers do not come so close to shore.

Quote: Val_Y

By the way, read the story "Drowning the Enterprise" "I was lying

An old bike, you talk with the sailors, they will not tell you something like that, while everything they invented is not a lie, it's a sea bike, a tradition like that, hunters and fishermen didn’t stand near ...

[Basswawa81]

Need one POPLAR M1. the accuracy of hitting the target is a radius of 30 cm. It is noticeable by tracking systems so 50 meters away. The eye will see earlier. but it will be too late ...

[Makarych]

For me, this is especially the first shot. It takes pride that we can create "such". But for what purposes it was created is a completely different question.

[tema2101]

It is a pity that we do not have such ships with us. And nothing is being done so that we can make such "handsome men" ourselves.

[sledgehammer102]

Quote: tema2101

It is a pity that we do not have such ships with us. And nothing is being done so that we can make such "handsome men" ourselves.

The question is "What the hell do we need it for now?"

[zennon]

The question is "What the hell do we need it for now?"

That's right. With that, I have 2 questions:
1) What is the cost of operating this miracle.
2) And how much does a pair of Onyx (Yakhont), supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles 3M55 (3M55E) anti-ship missile systems cost?

[Nayhas]

Quote: zennon

That's right. With that, I have 2 questions:
1) What is the cost of operating this miracle.
2) And how much does a pair of Onyx (Yakhont), supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles 3M55 (3M55E) anti-ship missile systems cost?

And I have a counter question:
Some special forces are training there, perfecting their skills for years perfecting the technique of battle, disguise, shooting ... But I can neutralize it with a single bullet from a PM pistol and hit it in the head with a penny 9mm caliber bullet. and what's the point that the state spent so much money on its training?

[zennon]

Here is a special forces officer training for years

It’s not correct. You, I think, yourself understand that our analysts in the defense industry have been thinking about this for many decades. So they told us everything! And I have a counter question: Do you remember what happened on December 7, 1941?

[Nayhas]

Quote: zennon

You, I think, yourself understand that in our defense industry analysts have been pondering this for many decades.

MIC analysts can even dance around the Christmas tree in June, the fleet development concept does not depend on them. Analysts at the headquarters of the Navy reflect and plan, and for many years they demanded an aircraft carrier as the only tool against US aircraft carriers.

Quote: zennon

And I have a counter question: Do you remember what happened on December 7, 1941?

The aircraft carriers sank the alleged (as it seemed at the time) "aircraft carrier killers." Or missed something?

[zennon]

Or missed something?

Well, why so primitive? A question about sloppiness. Americans themselves admit that they have nothing against 3M54E1 missiles, or how they call them SS-N-27. But I would like to get the answer to question No. 1 in my post above. in passing, that throughout their entire history until the beginning of the 80s of the last century, the Americans collected $ 1 trillion as state debt. And from the beginning of the 80s (that is, from reagonomics), to this day they have donated another $ 16 trl! level 1 TRL $ of government debt for 1,5 years! Do you understand that next to this Cheopsova, the pyramid of MMM JSC looks like a kindergarten Easter cake in a sandbox?

[Nayhas]

Quote: zennon

Well, why so primitive? The question of sloppiness.

If you are an adherent of Zadornov on the topic of "stupid Americans", then I will understand you, if you are reasoning sensibly, you should be aware that the USA 1941 and the USA 2014 are still different things. It is simply stupid to hope that after 1941 they continue in the same spirit. 1941 they remember well.

Quote: zennon

But I would like to receive an answer to question No. 1 in my post above.

No more money, which the United States has sooooo much.

Quote: zennon

. I will add in passing that in their entire history before the beginning of the 80s of the last century, Americans scored $ 1 TRL as a state debt. And from the beginning of the 80s (that is, from Reagonomics), to this day they have raised another $ 16TRL! have reached the level of 1 TRL of $ government debt in 1,5 years! Do you understand that next to this Cheopsova, the MMM pyramid looks like a kindergarten Easter cake in the sandbox?

All this is stupid chatter. Nothing terrible will happen to them. Moreover, defense spending does not particularly affect the size of public debt. What is 550 billion for defense compared with 900 billion for education or more than 1,5 trillion. on healthcare? Are you aware that they allocate 540 billion from the budget to support the low-income (benefits, food stamps)? Knowing full well that most of this money will work for the shadow economy, including drug trafficking? So if anything destroys their economy, this is a game of socialism.
PS: but that puzzled me, where and when did they recognize this?

Quote: zennon

Americans themselves admit that they have nothing against the 3M54E1 missiles, or how they call them SS-N-27.

RCC is undoubtedly good, for the first time the designers created a rocket in the required dimensions, bravo KB Innovator! But what is so terrible about the carrier that distinguished it from similar anti-ship missiles?

[Trinity]

Nayhas / Are you sure that this commando will allow you to shoot a penny bullet at your head, and will you have time to shoot first with his preparation and reaction to danger?

[Nayhas]

Quote: trinity

Nayhas / Are you sure that this commando will allow you to shoot a penny bullet at your head, and will you have time to shoot first with his preparation and reaction to danger?

So did not understand a parallel? The presence of cheap weapons in the form of a bullet or anti-ship missiles gives absolutely no guarantees for the destruction of the enemy. Will the aircraft carrier allow him to approach the launch distance of the RCC? No, of course, any potential carrier will be destroyed because the aircraft carrier has enough funds for this.

[Varangian]

Quote: tema2101

It is a pity that we do not have such ships with us. And nothing is being done so that we can make such "handsome men" ourselves.

But we have “aircraft carrier killers.” Here is our worthy answer to “George W. Bush” ...

[SSR]

Quote: varangian

Quote: tema2101

It is a pity that we do not have such ships with us. And nothing is being done so that we can make such "handsome men" ourselves.

But we have “aircraft carrier killers.” Here is our worthy answer to “George W. Bush” ...

Let's look at it from the other side - the Americans with their aircraft carriers where they have not already fought and wherever they have not demonstrated their "power / presence", REAL and our killers of aircraft carriers still remain paper "killers" who have not flooded a single aircraft carrier and we will not mention Papuans))))) with all due respect to our weapons and soldiers, I don't want to underestimate ......... Something like this.)))

[wanderer_032]

Quote from S.S.R.

Let's look at it from the other side - the Americans with their aircraft carriers where they just did not fight

These were mainly banana republics that did not have their own combat fleet.

Quote from S.S.R.

our killers of aircraft carriers so far remain paper "killers" who have not flooded a single aircraft carrier

You yourself said the answer to all the questions. Maybe that's why they don’t enter our waters?
Knowing what awaits them there.

[Beck]

[quote = wanderer_032] Let's look at it from the other side - Americans with their aircraft carriers where they just did not fight

[quote = wanderer_032] These were mainly banana republics that did not have their own combat fleet. [/ quote]

And why not see anything further than your nose. According to the logic of scientific and technological progress, all the weapons of the world, except nuclear missile, at the moment, only for local limited conflicts. For 3 MV, all this weapon is useless, because Armageddon will come from the use of nuclear weapons with an inevitable end of the world.

With MV, there will be no hand-to-hand combat techniques, machine guns, guns, planes, tanks, ships. All this is needed for local limited conflicts. But even in local conflicts, no one has canceled the commandments of military art - creating superiority of forces and means in a particular theater of operations.

Example. What will be more impressive and significant off the coast of Syria - 5 landing barges or 3 AUGs.

World war, on his right mind, is not expected. But local conflicts around the world will arise and you need to be prepared for them. Best of course, with AUG than without it. Russia, like other leading countries, has global interests. And where these interests intersect, one must have superiority in forces and means.

[SSR]

Quote: wanderer_032

Quote from S.S.R.

Let's look at it from the other side - the Americans with their aircraft carriers where they just did not fight

These were mainly banana republics that did not have their own combat fleet.

Quote from S.S.R.

our killers of aircraft carriers so far remain paper "killers" who have not flooded a single aircraft carrier

You yourself said the answer to all the questions. Maybe that's why they don’t enter our waters?
Knowing what awaits them there.

Yes, the question is completely different, many members of the forum do not think and blindly poke. For the stupid, I immediately wrote, - "that we will see from the other side."

[rasputin17]

, REAL and our killers of aircraft carriers are still paper "killers" who have not flooded a single aircraft carrier and we will not mention the Papuans))))) With all due respect to our weapons and soldiers, I do not want to underestimate ........ . Something like this.)))

You shouldn't be so !! To let such a galosh sink to the bottom is not enough trick, here you have to think about the consequences! For my service, I repeatedly looked at these Ameikos show-offs with their floating airfields, and our crew practiced training launches of missiles and torpedoes on them conditionally !! They are not as cool as they want to seem !! Remember the story of "Tirpitz"

[kplayer]

Quote: rasputin17

For my service, I have often looked at these Ameikos show-offs with their floating airfields and our crew worked out missile training launches and torpedoes conditionally on them !!

And you didn’t think about the fact that you have been grazing for a long time and deck submarines have worked out approach to you with conditional discharge of torpedoes more than once, since peace time is good.

[kplayer]

The AUG has hydroacoustic stations (GAS) for nuclear submarines and surface ships (range 45-60km), towed (up to 100-120km), lowered by helicopter GAS and aircraft radio sonar buoys (RSL) of aircraft and helicopter submarines.
At the same time, surface ships of the order, due to their own noise, are not shy in using the active GAS mode, in other words, the coordinates of the submarine's location will be known after detection.

[Lawless]

You can argue a lot, but how many times have they bombed with an aircraft carrier? ... cruise missiles are fired at targets)))) Something like this ...

[Basarev]

Meanwhile, there were opportunities. Alekseev’s design bureau built a wonderful rocket winged vehicle named Lun, which even now cannot be stopped in principle. But Ustinov’s death destroyed his dream.

[Nekarmadlen]

At the beginning of the war, Hitler also had two handsome men, "Tirpitz" and "Bismarck". And the knees of many Europeans trembled just at the mention of them. And as we remember from history, one of the giants was torpedoed by a Soviet submarine, and the other rotted away in the dock, and did not carry out a single military operation significant for Nazi Germany. Rotted, if I'm not mistaken, somewhere in the fjords of Norway. The devil is not so terrible as he is painted!

[Fortnite]

You do not remember the story well ... You only described Tirpitz ... But Bismarck was just launched to the bottom of the English squadron specially dressed up for this ...

[Nayhas]

Quote: varangian

But we have “aircraft carrier killers.” Here is our worthy answer to “George W. Bush” ...

"The killer of aircraft carriers" sounds loud, recently many countries are shouting to the whole world that they have created a "killer of aircraft carriers", even Iran has noted ... Long ago the Japanese also created a "killer of aircraft carriers", Yamato was called ... I will say, an example of courage and resilience ...

[w2000]

Carriers are a weapon of aggression and colonial expansion. Our army is created and tuned to the defense of the country and possible military operations with neighboring states. Why do we need aircraft carriers? Even if we had 3-4 of them cruising off the coast of the United States, this would not have changed anything in the strategic alignment of forces. They do not represent a real threat to a powerful nuclear power, and we do not have overseas territories for the control and intimidation of which they are really suitable. Our fleet needs more strategic and strike submarines.

[cumastra1]

Since Russia got a vigorous bomb, the urgent need for a too powerful fleet has disappeared. Yes, it is very necessary, simply necessary, but for defense, aircraft carrier groups are not needed, and to scare the Papuans - and what is now will do. There "Moscow" came to the shores of Georgia, and not a single pie in the sea slipped.

[udav1964]

tema2101

It is a pity that we do not have such ships with us. And nothing is being done so that we can make such "handsome men" ourselves.

Do Russia need these? Russia needs to develop further means to bring them down. It is much cheaper. And let them feed these monsters.

[siberalt]

We have Crimea, which costs dozens of such fleets. Why sail for ten thousand miles, when you can take the train

[poccinin]

Well what can I say. a good target for the HERO of RUSSIA. 17 security ships. No one has tested the AUG for military operations. when false targets apply. EW funds. at the training ground, this is one thing, but in real combat it’s completely different. and how electronics behaves is not known. The weak spot on the box is ENERGY. here it closes and that's it. the ship is dead. 1-2 missiles in the Aircraft Carrier and all. fires and explosions on the deck. MCCAIN here disabled his carrier in Vietnam like that. that I had to go home for repairs.

[Nayhas]

Quote: poccinin

after all, no one tested the AUG for military operations. when false targets apply. EW funds.

While in the world there are no such Navy. Maybe the Chinese through 30 years will catch up ...

[sledgehammer102]

Quote: Nayhas

While in the world there are no such Navy. Maybe the Chinese through 30 years will catch up ...

Let them come to the Crimea, and then we'll see what is cooler "Bastion" or "Kevlar armor"

[Nayhas]

Quote: sledgehammer102

Let them come to the Crimea, and then we'll see what is cooler "Bastion" or "Kevlar armor"

It will not work because the Turks will not let him in, they do not let aircraft carriers and ships with a nuclear power plant into the Black Sea (and from it).

[Homo Sovieticus]

this cow will not crawl under the bridge over the Bosphorus and + the Montreux doctrine

[Zeus]

If the characteristic of Nimitz’s height of 73 meters is correct, then not a single Nimitz will pass under the Bosphorus Bridge whose arch height is 64 meters. We'll have to either demolish the bridge or saw off the mast.

[Varangian]

It was necessary to repeat the "star raid" when "George Bush" was in the Greek port. That was the goal ...

[cdrt]

Quote: varangian

It was necessary to repeat the "star raid" when "George Bush" was in the Greek port. That was the goal ...

And besides the realization of your fantasies about playing war games, why did you need to do this? Moreover, invading the airspace of a NATO member country?

[0255]

Quote: cdrt

Quote: varangian

It was necessary to repeat the "star raid" when "George Bush" was in the Greek port. That was the goal ...

And besides the realization of your fantasies about playing war games, why did you need to do this? Moreover, invading the airspace of a NATO member country?

oh well, don’t run into a person, what, you can’t dream? )))
We all dream of either sinking the state aircraft carrier, or launching the Satan or Topol-M missile on the Pentagon)))

[Nayhas]

Quote: 0255

We all dream of either sinking the state aircraft carrier, or launching the Satan or Topol-M missile on the Pentagon)))

No need so unfounded, for example, I do not want to kill anyone, especially in such a terrible way.

[rasputin17]

No need so unfounded, for example, I do not want to kill anyone, especially in such a terrible way.

We all do not want to !! But these are our potential enemies and aggressors of the world. and if life makes you have to, many of us will do it with great pleasure !! Want to survive beat first !!

[Nayhas]

Quote: rasputin17

and many of us will do it with great pleasure !! Want to survive beat first !!

"Doctors assure us there are people,
Those who find pleasure in murder ... "
A.S.Pushkin.

[podolski_cky]

what I like, what a loud ship was built in a short time, and we have built ships many times less for decades

[sledgehammer102]

Quote: podolski_cky

what I like, what a loud ship was built in a short time, and we have built ships many times less for decades

If you subtract the EBNA period, then we are not talking about any decades, or give something specific as an example.

[cdrt]

Quote: sledgehammer102

Quote: podolski_cky

what I like, what a loud ship was built in a short time, and we have built ships many times less for decades

If you subtract the EBNA period, then we are not talking about any decades, or give something specific as an example.

The EBN period is already 15 years old ...
And it lasts 8 years, i.e. Almost two times less than the current period

[0255]

Quote: cdrt

Quote: sledgehammer102

Quote: podolski_cky

what I like, what a loud ship was built in a short time, and we have built ships many times less for decades

If you subtract the EBNA period, then we are not talking about any decades, or give something specific as an example.

The EBN period is already 15 years old ...
And it lasts 8 years, i.e. Almost two times less than the current period

But the consequences of EBN and humpback remained How many military-industrial enterprises were ruined in all countries of the former USSR?
at the time of the collapse of the USSR, aircraft carriers Varyag and Ulyanovsk were built in Ukraine. Independent Ukrainian ******* Ulyanovsk was cut into metal, the unfinished Varangian was sold to the Chinese.
Who knows how many aircraft carriers would be now if normal people came to power in the USSR in 1985, and not traitors, traitors ...

[Nayhas]

Quite an amateur review, a photo from the US Navy website with rather scarce comments on the photo.

[Yuri Sev Caucasus]

already twice our pilots showed amers their vulnerability.

[Letun]

Quote: Yuri Sev Caucasus

already twice our pilots showed amers their vulnerability.

What is it like? Flying nearby in peacetime?
I read the article and thought, now there will be comments like: we will disable electronics, sink one rocket and everything like that. Well, in general, I was not mistaken, Russian hatred is incurable.

[Jaros81]

In fact, not one, but three P-1000 Vulkan, but a full salvo of Project 1164 Atlant cruisers or Orlan Project 1144 cruisers is guaranteed to be enough to destroy the enemy's AUG.

[cdrt]

Quote: Jaros81

In fact, not one, but three P-1000 Vulkan, but a full salvo of Project 1164 Atlant cruisers or Orlan Project 1144 cruisers is guaranteed to be enough to destroy the enemy's AUG.

And why are such conclusions interesting?
Here are the "stupid" Soviet staff officers believed that at least 2 regiments of the MRA, which gives almost 100 heavy anti-ship missiles, and even better in cooperation with the KUG and 2-3 PLAKR - this is for the normal probability of a successful attack.
What were you based on?

[Beck]

Quote: Letun

Well, in general, I was not mistaken, Russian hat-making is not curable.

I don’t understand my terrible thing at all. In fact, it’s clear black envyif they don’t have that kind of thing, then everybody that’s like that r ... but.

Kazakhstan does not have a cruiser similar to the Russian heavy missile cruiser Peter the Great in the Caspian Sea, so now what? What can the Kazakhs say that the cruiser "Peter the Great", as a product, is worth nothing. It is expensive, it is too complicated, it is bulky, it can be seen from space, etc. And it costs nothing to sink it with one torpedo. In general, a cruiser is a lot of trash.

Here are also the stories about the most powerful and modern warship in the world. And they do not want to look from the side at their gag.

No to treat this with white envy and wish the same for themselves, as part of the Russian Navy. That would be the case.

[Beck]

Quote: Beck

There is no need to relate to this with white envy and wish the same for himself, as part of the Russian Navy. That would be the case.

No, I understand that there are buttons, so they should be pressed, but where are the arguments against what I said. Like this is not so, the chicken is not a bird there, and the boots are not boots.

Where? Simply, quietly indulging with buttons, indulge.

[PN]

No, we won’t drown it (as the purpose of drowning). This is just a floating airfield. But his main weapon - aviation, we have something to shoot down. In general, I believe that AUG is a weapon for intimidating banana republics. Yes, they are large and formidable, but what is the use of their aircraft if there is a highly efficient air defense system? For us, their submarines carrying intercontinental and cruise missiles are much more terrible.

[Yuri Sev Caucasus]

and where does the cap-bail? You speak peacetime, or did you serve on one of these aircraft carriers? Find AUG in the ocean is the same as a needle in a haystack! So they found and made a demonstration run over the Avionos. In the event of hostilities, all AuGs must approach the coast of about 500 km to effectively impact the enemy!
That's the goal for tactical aviation. Although I could be wrong IMHO.

[zennon]

Find AUG in the ocean is the same as a needle in a haystack!

A year ago, one authoritative member of the forum replied to such a statement: "The wake of the AUG is visible from Mars!"

[Volodya Sibiryak]

Eh, let such a vessel go to the bottom

[094711601]

I understand that this ship is designed to act against countries such as Libya, Syria and others like them! Well, so with impunity!

[Afinogen]

Aircraft carrier is a good target, big. A pair of Tu - 160 without entering the radar zone will launch a salvo of anti-ship missiles and from the aircraft carrier group a second pearl - harbor will be obtained only in the middle of the ocean.

[irk_tma]

Tu-160 was created for several other purposes.
Yes, and the main weapon of the Swan missile x-55 (x-555)

To combat AUG, the Tu-22 - Tu-22M2 / M3 series was created at the time.

[DS22]

Well, yes, the complex attack on the US AUG - the TU-30M22 regiments, atomarines and the surface fleet, worked out 3 years ago (it was not without reason that they built a bunch of missile boats). In addition, on the Black Sea we have combat skegs - "Bora" and "Samum", and more than one ship will not catch them in speed, they carry anti-ship weapons.

[Afinogen]

Quote: irk_tma

Tu-160 was created for several other purposes.
Yes, and the main weapon of the Swan missile x-55 (x-555)

To combat AUG, the Tu-22 - Tu-22M2 / M3 series was created at the time.

I completely agree. I dreamed so figuratively, it’s just in that womb - 160 more gifts for the AUG fits.))
Now strategic aviation, or rather the remnants of its former power, outlined the tasks for the future ..

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/22597/

[Nayhas]

Quote: Athenogen

Aircraft carrier is a good target, big. A pair of Tu - 160 without entering the radar zone will launch a salvo of anti-ship missiles and from the aircraft carrier group a second pearl - harbor will be obtained only in the middle of the ocean.

Athenogen, answer the simple question, what anti-ship missiles can the Tu-160 at least launch on no matter what surface target?

[cdrt]

Quote: Nayhas

Quote: Athenogen

Aircraft carrier is a good target, big. A pair of Tu - 160 without entering the radar zone will launch a salvo of anti-ship missiles and from the aircraft carrier group a second pearl - harbor will be obtained only in the middle of the ocean.

Athenogen, answer the simple question, what anti-ship missiles can the Tu-160 at least launch on no matter what surface target?

I think the correct answer is like this - "... piu .... bdyyschsch !!! ..."

[Afinogen]

Quote: Nayhas

Phynogen, answer a simple question, what anti-ship missiles Tu-160 can at least launch on no matter what surface target?

Answer X - 65SE http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/kr/x65.html

X - 15C http://shooter.com.ua/specialnye-zadachi/685-aviacionnaya-ayeroballisticheskaya-
rocket-x-15.html

http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/x15/x15.shtml

These missiles have already been adapted for the Tu-160, for sure it is possible to adapt the onyxes for firing, if there is a desire.

[Nayhas]

Quote: Athenogen

Answer X - 65SE

There is no such missile in service.

Quote: Athenogen

X - 15C

The Tu-160 never wore it, all references to it to the Tu-160 are only speculations.

Quote: Athenogen

These missiles have already been adapted for the Tu-160, for sure it is possible to adapt the onyxes for firing, if there is a desire.

Onyxes will not fit into the Tu-160, theoretically it is possible to suspend calibers, but with appropriate modernization to integrate it on board.
Tu-160 (those that can still fly, four sides) are only tactical KR.

[irk_tma]

I don’t understand the meaning of this article.
its content is more like an advertising booklet like "Uncle Sam needs you!"
There were more detailed and interesting articles on this resource about aircraft carriers of the "Nimitz" type.
about the aircraft carrier as part of the AUG .... there is generally "no comments"
if I want to see beautiful photos (exactly beautiful ones) about the army, then I’ll go to militaryphotos.net
I think most Topwar patrons know this site
article minus for it

[Old scoop]

Advertised? No thanks. I won’t buy anything.

[Fofan]

article from opium lovers site? http://loveopium.ru ???
explains a lot

[Turkestan]

Quote: Athenogen

Aircraft carrier is a good target, big. A pair of Tu - 160 without entering the radar zone will launch a salvo of anti-ship missiles and from the aircraft carrier group a second pearl - harbor will be obtained only in the middle of the ocean.

And it is not necessary to use airplanes to destroy an aircraft carrier group. There are ground-based systems of destruction of surface targets that can pass the PROK at large distances and their price is not high.

[cdrt]

Quote: Turkestan

Quote: Athenogen

Aircraft carrier is a good target, big. A pair of Tu - 160 without entering the radar zone will launch a salvo of anti-ship missiles and from the aircraft carrier group a second pearl - harbor will be obtained only in the middle of the ocean.

And it is not necessary to use airplanes to destroy an aircraft carrier group. There are ground-based systems of destruction of surface targets that can pass the PROK at large distances and their price is not high.

In Russia, there are none in general (in reality, and not at exhibitions)
Do not tell me - what happened in Turkestan in this area?

[Support]

A large cupboard falls louder .... For every .op there is a sly one you know what. A large trough, not weak of course, but also a noble target.

[mpa945]

"My personal opinion is this: not a single country in the world today is able to withstand the US and NATO navies. If you do not take into account atomic weapons, the use of which irreversibly entails the death of both parties to the conflict."
This phrase, as I understand it, belongs to the poster without a signature. Bold minus.
Hatred is certainly bad, but idolatry - IHMO - is much worse.

[Victor1]

in 1988, the Americans also thought that the bigger the cooler, but got on the nose and left beaten:

[irk_tma]

don't be like reporters
do not confuse bulk with ram

[Victor1]

I did not say that it was a ram.
Our asses kicked Americans, and did it at the highest level.

[Riperbahn]

It was really great! Until recently, the Merikos did not understand what they were facing - they crowded on cabinets and the upper deck, took pictures. And ours stood on the wings of the bridge, clutching machine guns. And what was the result? I am proud of such people!

[Gakkoga]

Awesome))) That's the way you always have to do !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Curt]

confront amer. everyone can fleet. But not everyone can win this confrontation - here we drown 1 aug, and they still have 9 (

[cdrt]

Quote: Curt

confront amer. everyone can fleet. But not everyone can win this confrontation - here we drown 1 aug, and they still have 9 (

That is true. Our current fleet, by the standards of the war with the United States, is a toy fleet. PLACR, which are in operation (4-5) Peter the Great, one active Glory, given that they are all scattered across 2 oceans to several more seas, do NOT pose any threat to the dominance of the U.S. Navy in the World Ocean, and possibly in the Barents and Okhotsk Seas. The most probable exchange is 1-2 AB, 4-5 destroyers / cruisers for 3-4 PLACR at sea, everything that is under repair, Peter the Great, 1164, 3-4 destroyers and 6-7 BOD. After that, we have 2 BODs, a dozen nuclear submarines (no longer PLAKR), and actually the RCA, MPK, BTSSC, DEPL, that is, the direct protection forces of the water area. Interference with the enemy’s naval forces can only be created if an MAO is carried out.
And in the US Navy with allies - practically the forces will not change (decrease by 10-20%) completely seizing dominance on the seas.

[irk_tma]

another reasoning ala "T-90 against Abrams"

so, there will be no naval battle in its classical sense in modern warfare
The Falkland conflict showed it well, and also that it was the last, which at least somehow can be attributed to the classic naval battles
and indeed ... do not care on AUG!
in a hypothetical armed conflict with the United States without the use of nuclear forces, first of all, it is necessary to drown the US maritime shipping rollers
without them, mattress covers will not be able to pop out of their mainland

[Riperbahn]

Kevlar will not help them

[cdrt]

Quote: Riperbahn

Kevlar will not help them

Kevlar is most likely from fragments and shells up to 20mm - shorter from shelling with a random aircraft or with what kind of scow. It is clear that this is not protection against RCC OH

[Varangian]

As the Americans heard that our "Peter the Great" was going to the Black Sea, they were too scared

The US Navy group, led by the aircraft carrier George Bush, left the Mediterranean Sea, passing through the Suez Canal, the Pentagon reported on March 20.
Thus, the group moved from the zone of responsibility of the fifth US fleet to the zone of responsibility of the sixth fleet in the Red Sea. The group includes, in addition to the aircraft carrier, the 8th sea-based aviation regiment, a group of destroyers, the Philippine Sea missile cruiser, and the Roosevelt missile destroyer.

[Nayhas]

Quote: varangian

As the Americans heard that our "Peter the Great" was going to the Black Sea, they were too scared

In fact, Peter has been hanging in the middle-earth for the fourth month, if George W. Bush was afraid of him, as you put it, he wouldn’t have passed through Gibraltar. Or is it a fantasy situation that warms your soul?

[cdrt]

Quote: Nayhas

Quote: varangian

As the Americans heard that our "Peter the Great" was going to the Black Sea, they were too scared

In fact, Peter has been hanging in the middle-earth for the fourth month, if George W. Bush was afraid of him, as you put it, he wouldn’t have passed through Gibraltar. Or is it a fantasy situation that warms your soul?

Yes, here these fantasies warm more than half of the people

[Nayhas]

Quote: cdrt

Yes, here these fantasies warm more than half of the people

It is sad. Better to gain respect, not fear ...

[Dezinto]

One single hit of our granite on his deck turns the aircraft carrier into a useless barge. Our PLARK Antey Tihonichko so floats up and produces a series of granites. And floats away. Here you have the whole AUG.

[cdrt]

Quote: DEZINTO

One single hit of our granite on his deck turns the aircraft carrier into a useless barge. Our PLARK Antey Tihonichko so floats up and produces a series of granites. And floats away. Here you have the whole AUG.

One single hit of an anti-submarine torpedo in the PLACR makes heroes out of its entire crew - mirror
Some kind of reasoning for children

[Zeus]

Granites than you will give target designation?

[Samurai3X]

The ship is good, beautiful, huge ...
In theoretical warfare, this is a big pile of very expensive metal. So I believe that several Granites will lower it to the bottom and it is likely that the submarine will also die ...
But such a change is more than equivalent.

[cdrt]

Quote: Samurai3X

The ship is good, beautiful, huge ...
In theoretical warfare, this is a big pile of very expensive metal. So I believe that several Granites will lower it to the bottom and it is likely that the submarine will also die ...
But such a change is more than equivalent.

Would ask what outfit of forces for the destruction of the AUG considered it necessary to use the great professionals of the Navy of the USSR ...

[Samurai3X]

I'm talking about an aircraft carrier, not the whole AUG ... read carefully ...
And here is http://expert.ru/2014/01/24/ot-rossijskih-raket-teper-ne-skryitsya-dazhe-avianos
tsam-ssha /

[Nayhas]

Quote: Samurai3X

In a theoretical war this is a big pile of very expensive metal

Any ship can be brought under your words.

[dmit-xnumx]

This panegyric is bewildering. I served an urgent one 42 years ago and did not particularly follow the achievements of our military-industrial complex. Can anyone say what will happen to this aircraft carrier if a pair of thermobaric charges hits it?

[cdrt]

Quote: dmit-52

This panegyric is bewildering. I served an urgent one 42 years ago and did not particularly follow the achievements of our military-industrial complex. Can anyone say what will happen to this aircraft carrier if a pair of thermobaric charges hits it?

Nothing, because they won’t get there, because they’re not made

[Nayhas]

Quote: dmit-52

Can anyone say what will happen to this aircraft carrier if a pair of thermobaric charges hits it?

What a funny one you are ... Your questionnaire can be continued.
What will happen to this aircraft carrier if it:
- a mine will fall from a mortar Tulip;
- the T-90 tank will be delivered by a cumulative projectile;
-to start a company of demobilization with a hangover;
- spat an alien creature from the Alien movie;
- the Kirovets tractor launched along a parabola will fall;
Are you interested in such questions?

[dmit-xnumx]

Actually, my question was specific, but your answer reminded me of the phrase from "Khoja Nasreddin" by L. Solovyov - "He who wears a copper shield has a copper forehead ..." I hope you know the end of this phrase.

[Dezinto]

They have historically clung to aircraft carriers. Riveted a bunch of them. And now they pretend that this is a terribly technological weapon. Floating in the oceans and bombing rivals which are surrounded on all sides by bases !. Their effectiveness in a war in the ocean, with a modern adversary - is doubtful!

[cdrt]

Quote: DEZINTO

They have historically clung to aircraft carriers. Riveted a bunch of them. And now they pretend that this is a terribly technological weapon. Floating in the oceans and bombing rivals which are surrounded on all sides by bases !. Their effectiveness in a war in the ocean, with a modern adversary - is doubtful!

Actually, what’s wrong?
The presence of 11-15 AB allows them to maintain undeniable dominance in the oceans for 70 years already ..
Even the USSR Navy hoped to challenge it for a period of 1-2 months and only in the seas that washed the shores of the USSR directly.

[Nayhas]

Quote: DEZINTO

Their effectiveness in a war in the ocean, with a modern adversary - is doubtful!

Carriers have more than one day and the history of their use is very rich. What do you personally doubt about the effectiveness of these devices?

[Wiruz]

Now, if I write that the aircraft carrier is good, they will zamusutut me. But he is really good.

[Dezinto]

Yes, no, why minus that. The device is serious, it works, it shoots with airplanes. But the only thing that matters is efficiency. And when the Americans advertise something very much, it means they have to be wary. Is this chewing gum so tasty))) IMHO.

[Samurai3X]

There is no need to minus ...
Each type of weapon is created for its purpose.
Carriers, in my understanding, exist for the quick transfer of aircraft to places where there are no airfields.
But for bombing twice Iraq, Libya - this is an ideal weapon. There are no serious anti-ship and air defense systems.
But for the war with Russia, China - useless scrap metal, IMHO)

[SSR]

Quote: Samurai3X

There is no need to minus ...
Each type of weapon is created for its purpose.
Carriers, in my understanding, exist for the quick transfer of aircraft to places where there are no airfields.
But for bombing twice Iraq, Libya - this is an ideal weapon. There are no serious anti-ship and air defense systems.
But for the war with Russia, China - useless scrap metal, IMHO)

Why does not everyone mention that the aircraft carrier does not go alone? It's like two strike groups in the ocean, but one has a drill and a hundred planes and the other side has a dozen helicopters. Aircraft carrier goes si air defense ships and missile cruisers and with boats and submarines! Dear comrades. One granite one granite .....

[Samurai3X]

IF one granite hits ... And then most likely two ...
No one doubts that this is not the only aircraft carrier and that he still has a cloud of cruisers and other means of amplification. The question is how much they can shoot down at the same time. A salvo of 20 or 30 1-2 missiles will definitely reach ...

[ivanovbg]

Able to be in swimming until 20 years without refueling.

Here is a typical example of psychological warfare. Without refueling what ??? The autonomy of the ship in terms of fuel (nuclear) is given, and an ignorant layman has the impression that this is how a giant whales emerges into the sea and swims for 20 years, without replenishment of food, ammunition and aviation fuel, without crew rest, without maintenance at the port ...

Colorfully removed the Slav in the American service, Victor Benesh, whose parents emigrated to the United States from Ukraine, and there was not enough space to mention anything about the arrangement of catapults or at least the width of the deck.

The conclusion is that

no country in the world today is able to withstand the US and NATO navy

generally "shine"!

Bold minus this clumsy and clumsy propaganda. The author did not have enough brains to even rewrite something specific and more or less worthwhile from a military and technical point of view. He stupidly scribbled a dozen pictures and began to admire him as a schoolboy in his first pornographic magazine.

[castle]

Good health to all.
I bring to your attention two articles.

http://guns.d3.ru/comments/532429/
http://ruskline.ru/opp/2013/10/03/veroyatnost_dlya_rossijskogo_ubijcy_avianoscev
_unichtozhit_amerikanskij_avianosec_nol /

Maybe these are articles just PR actions from the area "We don't have anything solid, but give us more money and then we can." Or maybe the articles show the actual state of affairs. In any case, there is something to think about.

[Artem1967]

The entire series of Nimitz-class aircraft carriers are excellent warships. There is only one minus - fabulous operating costs. We can't pull it. It is necessary to look for other countermeasures (for example, the latest low-noise nuclear submarines).

[abrakadabre]

Biggest military vessel in the world. Its construction began in 2003 and cost $ 6,5 billion to American taxpayers.

The first sentence of the article immediately smiled ... In principle, after that you can end your acquaintance with the article.

Is a ship in a hospital or in a civilian fleet ... Or is it such a delicate author’s trolling over this ship?

[Bobxnumx]

Of course, the ship, we must pay tribute to it, is good, but a whole flotilla - 17 - 20 ships - goes with it. This is a considerable armada, they need space. But against all this, as a rule, an "antidote" is always being prepared.

[SSR]

Quote: Bob0859

Of course, the ship, we must pay tribute to it, is good, but a whole flotilla - 17 - 20 ships - goes with it. This is a considerable armada, they need space. But against all this, as a rule, an "antidote" is always being prepared.

Undermining the YaBZ atmosphere is perhaps the most economical method for today, although the consequences can be "difficult to predict." just in the open, where no one is))))

[DmitryK]

Surprisingly poor-quality, insignificant photographs, then against the sun and under improper lighting, are not sharp most, or simply not in the subject. I did not expect a minus post.

[Technologist]

Author, whose friend are you ???

[Curious]

This is of course power and strength. Maybe the US fleet is the most powerful in the world. But ... they know how to fight missiles from long distances. And in close combat, our army more than once defeated them.

[Beck]

Quote: Interested

And in close combat, our army more than once defeated them.

Well, you give - A country of coal, at least fine, but up to x ... me.

Give at least one example, at least one fact, when the armies of the USA and Russia (USSR) opposed each other in a direct military conflict? When did the strategic battles take place and the US armies beaten by the Russian armies would drape?

There are no such facts in the history or if only to pick up the scary throat.

[Ruslan]

Of course there were no large-scale operations. but there were local battles. Our fighter pilots fought quite successfully against the Americans in Korea, anti-aircraft gunners again against the US Air Force in Vietnam, when during the Vietnam War, new helicopters arrived, our special forces attacked their airbase to remove some blocks from helicopters (I learned from strike force programs, it will be necessary to look for more information). By the way, the United States invaded our waters in the coastal region and shot our dry river at our air base, and air battles at the border repeatedly took place, it was in the early 50s. so there is no experience of direct collisions, and ours have shown themselves to be excellent.

[Assistant]

And in close combat, our army more than once defeated them.

And you can in more detail, where

our army

defeated the US Navy, and several times?

[0255]

We are waiting for comments by Oleg Kaptsov that this aircraft carrier is not needed)))
And the article liked only beautiful photos. It is a pity that such a beautiful aircraft carrier was created for aggression against third world countries, objectionable to the United States (((

[targitai]

Quote: Volodya Sibiryak

Eh, let such a vessel go to the bottom

You can’t heat this vessel! There are two reactors, the same tin as the light will be. What for maritime open spaces so filthy.

[wanderer_032]

Why is there no bar in the pictures where sailors relieve stress after "hard" working days?
Do not order ...

[SPACE]

Quote: Author

My personal opinion is this: no country in the world today is able to withstand the US and NATO navy. If you do not take into account atomic weapons, the use of which irreversibly entails the death of both sides of the conflict.

"If you do not take into account nuclear weapons" if you do not take then yes, but that is why the United States has such debts, has built weapons of terror and destruction, instead of saving Detroit and other bankrupts, it would be better to deal with their economy and social sphere. Russia does not have such a fleet, but stood between Syria, and the United States cannot do anything, well, where is their vaunted power? And what is the use of these floating nuclear troughs? If a war breaks out, he will not even be able to reach the DB, he will drown.
Z.Y. Beautiful, expensive and the most useless and meaningless in the world, a bunch of floating radioactive iron!
And this is my personal opinion.

[31231]

I also somehow do not understand this phrase.
At sea, yes, our AUGs will not be able to resist. But we do not have an aggressive military policy. And in most cases we can protect our coast from AUG. Vietnam is an example when aircraft carriers at the land theater of action could not do much.

[2front]

I know that aircraft carriers are not relevant for Russia! And they are not so unsinkable!

[yur58]

We have a non-sinking aircraft carrier - Crimea

[Basarev]

Personally, battleships seem to me to be very promising in the fight against American carriers. Especially from such an unusual material as concrete. It's simple, cheap, reliable, and finally, what survivability!

[yurik]

the most effective means of combating the AUG of the tan is modern nuclear submarines, their construction will be much more profitable than the construction of 1-2 aircraft carriers that need to be provided with a large cover group and they will still be inferior in the strength and survivability of the enemy AUG

[rasputin17]

Well, the ship is big !! Well, his convoy is also big !! And there is a lot of show-off and pathos too !! True, with a skillful salvo of "Granit" or "Yakhont" in the event of a real conflict, another coral reef will appear !! In the event of a real conflict and military action, you guys have no idea what a huge target it is that is very difficult to defend !!!

[Nayhas]

Quote: rasputin17

And there is a lot of show-off and pathos too !! True, with a skillful salvo of "Granit" or "Yakhont" in the event of a real conflict, another coral reef will appear !!

And how exactly are you going to detect the enemy, or will you let go of anti-ship missiles in all directions of the world?

[rasputin17]

And how exactly are you going to detect the enemy, or will you let go of anti-ship missiles in all directions of the world?

Well, why !!!)) There are tons of ways to detect and classify targets !! The art of choosing the right one as part of the convoy and just striking it, without exchanging escort for escort and then moving away from pursuit, changing depth depending on the hydrology of the sea, masking the noise of other targets, using special equipment .... and much more !!

[Nurbiy]

This is not so much an article as an advertisement for the pseudo military pseudo power of the stripes, they say look how strong they are. Oh, nah .. !!! Perhaps that is why he is accompanied by as many as 17 ships. author remind how many ships he sank? No one? hmm ... the author, (exactly, a small letter) yes you are a Cossack, sir.

[sandrmur76]

Quote: cdrt

Quote: DEZINTO

One single hit of our granite on his deck turns the aircraft carrier into a useless barge. Our PLARK Antey Tihonichko so floats up and produces a series of granites. And floats away. Here you have the whole AUG.

One single hit of an anti-submarine torpedo in the PLACR makes heroes out of its entire crew - mirror
Some kind of reasoning for children

Why baby? It deforms everything that is possible. At least the guides of steam catapults. Of course, the ship is serious, no doubt. But too complicated.

[sv68]

the article is a little with hidden advertising of the American Navy. Well done quickly, well done. And the main thing is that there would never be a situation in which we had to test our anti-missile missiles against their ships in real combat

[Waroc]

The biggest ship - PRIZE - the biggest torpedo !!!)))

[tokin1959]

Handsome. Power and technology.
but this aircraft carrier can only fight against banana countries. smash it into chips.
neither the USSR nor Russia has ever set the task of waging war on the other side of the world.
we simply don’t need aircraft carriers.

[Basarev]

Strange. Stalin and Kuznetsov built a large ocean-going fleet. Even the construction of battleships of the "Soviet Union" type was started for this purpose. But after that Khrushchev came and destroyed the dream. So: it is Khrushchev's policy that is to blame for the absence of a real fleet in us. This is he in everything to blame.

[DeOS78RU]

Quote: 0255

Quote: cdrt

Quote: varangian

It was necessary to repeat the "star raid" when "George Bush" was in the Greek port. That was the goal ...

And besides the realization of your fantasies about playing war games, why did you need to do this? Moreover, invading the airspace of a NATO member country?

oh well, don’t run into a person, what, you can’t dream? )))
We all dream of either sinking the state aircraft carrier, or launching the Satan or Topol-M missile on the Pentagon)))

But how do you dream of Svidomo? impressive?)))

[tokin1959]

it is immediately clear that these Svidomo - complete amateurs, they missed the Death Star and the Terminator.

[Turkestan]

Quote: cdrt

Quote: Turkestan

Quote: Athenogen

Aircraft carrier is a good target, big. A pair of Tu - 160 without entering the radar zone will launch a salvo of anti-ship missiles and from the aircraft carrier group a second pearl - harbor will be obtained only in the middle of the ocean.

And it is not necessary to use airplanes to destroy an aircraft carrier group. There are ground-based systems of destruction of surface targets that can pass the PROK at large distances and their price is not high.

In Russia, there are none in general (in reality, and not at exhibitions)
Do not tell me - what happened in Turkestan in this area?

Well!!!!! at least these OLD SYSTEMS

Complexes: Bastion, Granite, Mosquito, including the use of NUCLEAR ammunition against aircraft carrier groups.

[rasputin17]

You shouldn't be ironic dear !!! The NATO countries have no analogues to such systems as Granit and Yakhont, and they are the real and unsurpassed threat to ships of this class !! And this is what you know as a layman !! Do you think that now here on the forum you will be posted for discussion all the developments of the military-industrial complex standing on the defense of the borders and sovereignty of Russia !!))

[Nayhas]

Quote: rasputin17

Do not you think that now here on the forum you will be put up for discussion all the achievements of the defense industry standing on the defense of the borders and sovereignty of Russia !!)) wink

What's the point? They are all known for a long time, nothing special has been invented. All that we have is able to only keep them at a certain distance (with a nuclear-free version, respectively) and then not for long.

[yur58]

And Cho, we no longer have "killers" of aircraft carriers?

[rasputin17]

Weight!! and just waiting in the wings !! thanks to them, these galoshes do not climb to us because they understand the insignificance of their pseudo-greatness !! They also understand that the price of their pair of missiles is for a million rubles, which will put the bottom of the billion state department !!!

[Bunchuk36]

Quote: w2000

Carriers are a weapon of aggression and colonial expansion. Our army is created and tuned to the defense of the country and possible military operations with neighboring states. Why do we need aircraft carriers? Even if we had 3-4 of them cruising off the coast of the United States, this would not have changed anything in the strategic alignment of forces. They do not represent a real threat to a powerful nuclear power, and we do not have overseas territories for the control and intimidation of which they are really suitable. Our fleet needs more strategic and strike submarines.

It seems to me that this opinion is fair, especially since we have the first experience with titanium and a 1000 m dive.

[typhoon7]

Quote: wanderer_032

You yourself said the answer to all the questions. Maybe that's why they don’t enter our waters?
Knowing what awaits them there.

I agree with the killers of aircraft carriers, this is primarily a deterrent, by the way this AUG headed for home, so our deterrent works well.

[Zeus]

They didn’t go home, but into the coverage area of ​​the fifth US fleet.

Map of the presence of the US Navy on 20.03.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX

[Ignatius]

Red and blue, what's the difference?

[Zeus]

Different types of ships.
CVN - aircraft carrier,
LHD - landing ship.

[Peacemaker]

We all dream of either sinking the state aircraft carrier, or launching the Satan or Topol-M missile on the Pentagon)))
There is no need to be so unfounded, for example, I don’t want to kill anyone, especially in such a terrible way

Agree. However, how bloodthirsty they all are! And the sailors over there don’t want war, but to go home to their family and friends...

[Victor-M]

The large cupboard falls louder.

[Andrey-Sevas]

Well, this is a moot point about who is stronger and whose caliber is thicker , but the vessel is impressive, although the larger the cabinet, the louder it falls - Russian proverb!!!

[Nonik]

Quote: 0255

It’s a pity that such a beautiful aircraft carrier was created for aggression against third world countries that are disliked by the United States (((

Weapons are made to be used. So they use it. It is ideal when such weapons do not have the same opposition - the dream of any commander.

[karavay1982]

Well, the author is really kidding...
Conversations began again - whether we will sink or not, and whether Russia needs an aircraft carrier or not.
Yesterday they showed a program about the battleship "Paris Commune". The Germans bombed and bombed and hit. But the battleship inflicted significant losses on them (aviation and ground forces).
Hypothetical situation - war between the USA and Russia.
An aircraft carrier enters the Black Sea. Airplanes take off and fall within the range of air defense systems located on land. What losses will there be for the American aces, but I think they will be awesome, and the horns and legs that remain from the air wing are the aircraft carriers. Of course, thoughts will begin here that the Americans will begin to destroy air defense, but still.
And the aircraft carrier remains empty!!!
Now about whether or not Russia needs an aircraft carrier. Well, we’ll build an aircraft carrier and then send it to scare the Americans??? or even take a swing at SOME BANANA REPUBLIC. DO YOU NOT FUNNY?
Having such sea borders and not even having enough corvettes and patrol ships.
In reality, the strategists, as on the eve of the Second World War, believed that the Italian-German fleet would enter the Black Sea and we would drown it in one general battle (we had a trump card - the battleship "Paris Commune")

[God of war]

Why is there the Black Sea and the Far East?

[Good_Taxist]

Quote: tema2101

It's a pity that we don't have such ships here. And nothing is being done so that we can make such “beauties” ourselves.

Why the hell do we need them? Should I scare the Japanese or the Australians?

[Tourist]

Wah-h-h, why are they scaring? Let's have some fun with the Medveds in the Arctic!

[16112014nk]

We could also have about 10 aircraft carriers, if not for the hunchbacked fucker.

[Basarev]

Not carriers, but carrier cruisers. It seems like it was said that the purpose of carrier cruisers is fundamentally different from the purpose of carriers. Carrier cruisers are needed to ensure the combat stability of submarines. And the task of carriers is to frighten everyone who disagrees with American policy. That is, just everyone...

[Tourist]

Task: Available: aircraft carrier George W. Bush.
How many John McCains does it take for this trough to sink?

Johnny grew, his qualifications grew, and his next victim was not only an airplane, but also an entire aircraft carrier for company. The Forrestal on which he served caught fire like a match after a missile salvo that Johnny fired from his plane right on the deck - he was so impatient to engage in battle with the damned "commies".

As a result of the assault, a dashing admiral's son killed one and a half hundred sailors, hundreds were injured and burns, a lot of aircraft on the deck were destroyed and the aircraft carrier itself was put out of action for a year! McCain himself was immediately evacuated and transferred, away from sin, to another aircraft carrier. Where he soon, during a sortie, to the great relief of the US Navy, was shot down by a Soviet missile, and was out of action for five and a half years.

http://www.rosinfonet.ru/politics/15015

[Governor]

If you fire a volley of missiles at the AUG from the sea, air and land, and launch a couple of dozen drones, then the enemy’s ranks will clearly thin out. Some will be shot down, some won't - it's simple. In other words, the devil is not as scary as he is painted. And if there is still an opportunity to shoot from space, that’s great! Let them scare Honduras with these basins, and then we’ll hit them on the nose.

[Cossacks]

The cost of the winter games in Sochi is 51 billion. dollars The cost of bush is 6.5 billion dollars. How many aircraft carriers is this? The question is, what is more prestigious for the country - the girl Lyuba with longing for Nabokov or when even stuttering is afraid of sanctions.

[Tourist]

What about airplanes? What about the service?
And roads with a new thermal power plant and stadiums are much more important for people living in Sochi, and not only for them, than “show-offs”
And I haven’t heard anything that Russia would be afraid of import sanctions. For some reason, they are thinking about how to climb the tree without skinning their ass.
ь As for the AUG, 2-3 joint salvos from “Bastion” and “Basalt” - and goodbye to the AUG...

[supertiger21]

Yes, American Nimitz-class aircraft carriers are famous for their greatness !I hope our new heavy aircraft carrier will not be inferior to its American counterpart!

[ra3eJIeBog]

The article is like an advertisement for a wonderful Amer’s trough.

[Containers]

Isn't this the same "George Bush" whose latrines don't work? This is very impressive, no doubt about it. They will throw feces, no less. A fecal carrier...

[SuperVodka777]

Is Harpoon their coolest anti-ship missile? Range 300 km, no nuclear warhead, warhead about 250 kg. And compare with Russian analogues a range of 500 km, a nuclear b/h or a conventional one weighing about 500 kg. I don’t know why this is so, either their leadership is stupid, or people like Russia really can’t do it. I heard they were focusing on an anti-ship tomahawk, but they never made it normal.

[I think so]

An excellent target for Chinese anti-ship ballistic missiles... I think this trough will not appear anywhere near the Chinese coast...

[RoTTor]

The Black Sea will come, as the Kyiv impostors dream, we will sink the first anti-ship missile. But they will never interfere: firstly, because for Obama it is impeachment and political death for him and his party; secondly, because the Americans are too lazy, especially if they are not dealing with some Grenada. I am sure that any real officer will slap them with great pleasure - for everything that they have done against us and to our detriment over the past 25 years.

[voliador]

We need multi-purpose missile cruisers in the ocean zone, and an aircraft carrier - perhaps in the Pacific Ocean, where there is room to deploy.

[God of war]

Today it is no longer the most modern. They didn’t say anything about the Gerald R. Ford type aircraft carrier

[VladimS]

Quote: Samurai3X

There is no need to minus ...
Each type of weapon is created for its purpose.
Carriers, in my understanding, exist for the quick transfer of aircraft to places where there are no airfields.
But for bombing twice Iraq, Libya - this is an ideal weapon. There are no serious anti-ship and air defense systems.
But for the war with Russia, China - useless scrap metal, IMHO)

I think it’s enough to damage it by causing some significant roll, without even completely sinking it,
The “birds” will no longer land on him or it will be seriously difficult.

[sanek0207]

The ship is beautiful, no doubt about it! But they have several more miracle ships, for example the same "NIMITZ" who knows how many times it burned!? And we don’t care how they wear their cap, it sinks just like any vessel, only maybe longer, so let them hang out somewhere on the side! We don’t need war, but if you do, then be.........

[Vasily Terkin]

healthy motherfucker)

[Krsk]

What kind of pile of metal will sink to the bottom if anything...

[alexdol]

It’s interesting what the author does. here is a quote: “The ship carries 90 airplanes, helicopters and fighters, and is served by a crew of 3,200 people.” Then the question is: how many “helicopters” and “fighters”? But that's not all. Then he writes the following:
“To feed more than 5 people, the ship’s cook team works tirelessly around the clock.”
Then I have a question again: how many people are there in the team, 3200 or 5000?
But this is not even the main thing, it’s simply disgusting to read such authors who openly GLORIZE our ENEMIES! My advice to him would have FAILED, just like that sailor about whom he writes here in the “promised SYSHYA” And regarding “George” I will say this: after the collapse of the USSR, the Americans completely lost their fear and began to suffer from GIANTOMANIA! Well, the GOAL is BIG, BIG, it’s unlikely to dodge our torpedoes and missiles! Moreover, I remember the case described in the book by Max Kalashnikov, when the aircraft carrier Syshy, off the coast of Vietnam, suffered so much as a result of a fire that it was barely saved, and only thanks to the presence of other ships nearby...

[boyar]

Eh... I should watch him drown.

[black_falcon]

The AUG is actually quite a difficult target to destroy. The aircraft carrier itself can protect itself, plus multiple escort ships that will do everything to ensure its survival. I don’t argue with the forum members, the goal is worthy, I would like to organize a new artificial reef 300 meters long for the fish) But in my opinion, at the moment, the destruction of this formation is an extremely difficult matter... without tactical mistakes of the enemy, it is probably not realistic. But everything has its time.

[Ulyan]

I understand everything, he can defend himself, the escort ships are capable of taking out anyone who encroaches on his dad, but... why then is there an emigrant with a machine gun in the photo? Who do dark-skinned guys look for through their binoculars?

[Askold]

For every Goliath there is a David, and for every Leviathan there is a divine weapon, a Saint George, well, and on the coat of arms of which city he is depicted, WE all know very well.

[ilea123456]

Enemy need to know in person

[Region-25.rus]

Quote: Nekarmadlen

At the beginning of the war, Hitler also had two handsome men, "Tirpitz" and "Bismarck". And the knees of many Europeans trembled just at the mention of them. And as we remember from history, one of the giants was torpedoed by a Soviet submarine, and the other rotted away in the dock, and did not carry out a single military operation significant for Nazi Germany. Rotted, if I'm not mistaken, somewhere in the fjords of Norway. The devil is not so terrible as he is painted!

My friend! Let's learn history and mathematics! The Bismarck was sunk by the British - after using deck-based torpedo bombers, they damaged the propeller-rudder group and, it seems, the fuel tanks. Then they finished off with artillery and torpedoes from cruisers! Tirpitz was not docked, but stood in Altenfjord (if I’m not mistaken) and during one of the communications forays she received a torpedo under the propellers from K-21. Afterwards it was damaged by English combat swimmers and finished off by aircraft!

[Nekarmadlen]

Quote: Region-25.rus

My friend! Let's learn history and mathematics! The Bismarck was sunk by the British - after using deck-based torpedo bombers, they damaged the propeller-rudder group and, it seems, the fuel tanks. Then they finished off with artillery and torpedoes from cruisers! Tirpitz was not docked, but stood in Altenfjord (if I’m not mistaken) and during one of the communications forays she received a torpedo under the propellers from K-21. Afterwards it was damaged by English combat swimmers and finished off by aircraft!

Hello, With all due respect, I can’t be Father, because I’m a girl. I agree with the criticism, something is mixed up in my head, I promise I will systematize the knowledge and fill in the gaps. But the message of my message was different, my father served in the Northern Fleet, and since childhood, my sister and I lived among stories about ships, naval battles, the fleet and the heroism of sailors. And, therefore, a reverent love for the fleet has been carried throughout my entire life! What I meant was that if there was a mess with this aircraft carrier, my Motherland would be able to cope with it! All the best!

[Roman_999]

Quote: wanderer_032

Maybe that’s why they don’t enter our waters?

That is why, precisely, in the Black Sea they will also keep their warships OUTSIDE OUR territorial waters, not because it will violate anything there, but because it is SCARY.

And if you stomp such a monster in the Bosphorus or the Suez Canal, not allowing any lifting work to be carried out, then you can divide the oceans....for a while....I think our military strategists have taken this into account.

[kirgudu]

Advertising for the American army? Out of place now.

[Nonik]

Quote: karavay1982

An aircraft carrier enters the Black Sea. Airplanes take off and fall within the range of air defense systems located on land. What losses will there be for the American aces, but I think they will be awesome, and the horns and legs that remain from the air wing are the aircraft carriers. Of course, thoughts will begin that the Americans will begin to destroy the air defense, but still. And the aircraft carrier remains empty!!!

It will not just remain empty, but will go to the bottom along with the planes from the Bastion supersonic missiles of the coast guard. That’s why he will never come to the Black Sea; the entire sea up to the Turkish shores is under fire.

[whitejohn12]

Yes, about their cooks, if only we had this, once again and his deputy in the galley, what should the team cook? Maybe this is correct, like a show, but something like that, but yes, like at McDonald’s))) Free cash register)))

[Roodic]

Beautiful ship! Smart guys who think that this “trough” is easy to sink, don’t forget that the range of the air wing is at least 1500 km and there are 17 more escort ships!!!
and second: are aircraft carriers needed? - their capabilities are higher than any other ships! That means they are definitely needed. the better the aircraft carrier, the more necessary it is!!! and regarding “We have nuclear weapons and that means we are stronger” - well, use it and immediately shoot a cheap bullet into your forehead - it’s better than feeling the consequences

[Artem25]

Yes, the budget of the US Navy is respectable! George Clooney plays the role of a “terrorist” in a training exercise!