What are we threatened by Western sanctions?

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In the light of recent events, Western politicians are increasingly calling for economic pressure on the Russian Federation. This material proposes to consider what methods of influence are in the arsenal of our partners in the fight against terrorism, when and how they were used, what could harm the domestic industry and economy, and also try to figure out what specific actions you can take to level the consequences of this kind external influences.

Islamic Republic of Iran

Perhaps the most "experienced" victim of Western sanctions is Iran. In the 1979 year, after the overthrow of the Shah and the establishment of the Islamic Republic, the United States, and then the EU, consistently imposed various sanctions on Tehran. Such as:

• boycott of Iranian oil products;
• freezing of assets on bank accounts (about $ 100 billion);
• an embargo and a ban on the activities of American counterparties in Iran, a ban on any economic exchange with the United States;
• a ban on international (by the way independent) organizations for issuing loans and any assistance to Iran;
• a ban on investing in the Iranian economy for non-residents of the United States (providing for countermeasures for those who conduct economic activity in the United States).

Thus, the Iranian economy suffered significant losses. In particular, the export of modern processing machines, automatic lines and other production equipment to the territory of Iran is prohibited. These actions are primarily aimed at Iran Khodro, the region’s largest and thirteenth (once) carmaker in the world. Such a ban has led to the fact that the company simply can not update its production base, and the results of this problem are quite tangible: a reduction in the production program from 1500 thousand cars in 2011 to 800 thousand in 2013. It is also worth noting that this area of ​​industry is dependent, a significant part of automotive components is imported, local suppliers are not available, or they are not competitive in terms of cost, quality and volume of production. Naturally, forced import substitution leads to a deterioration in product quality and a decrease in its export potential.

It is obvious that in this way Western (European) manufacturers squeeze a strong competitor out of the markets, and the initiators of their sanctions are agents of their will.


Boeing of the Iranian national carrier, released in 1976 year


The second significant example is the civil aviation Iran. Since the 70s of the last century, the United States, and after them the EU, has consistently banned its manufacturers (in the civilian ships market, there is a duopoly, the market is divided between Boeing and Airbus, that is, between the United States and Europe) to export aircraft to the territory of the Islamic Republic. And in the future, export of spare parts and components was also banned. Ultimately, morally and physically obsolete aircraft are operated in Iran, some produced even before the Islamic Revolution, for example, in 1976. And the most modern aircraft operating in Iran is the Airbus A-320 2003 model year. At the same time, components imported by roundabouts or locally manufactured parts, naturally not having the appropriate certificates, are used to repair aircraft.

Of course, Iran made an attempt to diversify and import substitution. So, in 2011, licensed production was deployed at HESA with a minimum degree of localization of the An-140 aircraft. At present, 8 airplanes are in operation; further development of the program is in question; new aircraft from the 2010 have not taken off.


Launch of Iranian An-140 engine



North Korean Tu-204-100 as the only alternative for a "closed" country


Since the mid-2000s. Russia is trying to sell Tu-204 aircraft of various modifications to Iran, but in vain. Several years ago, a large order was even announced for Iran for several dozen Tu-204SM aircraft. However, later it was reported that components with American intellectual property were used as part of the PS-90A2 engine, and the shareholder and owner of 25% of the Perm Motors holding company Pratt & Whitney (USA) blocked any work on the project due to sanctions against Iran. ... As a result, the contract was in limbo, but quite recently, starting in January of this year, restrictions on the supply of components and used aircraft were temporarily and partially lifted, which practically blocks oxygen from any attempts by Russia to sell a domestic aircraft to Iran. As you can see from this example, sanctions work, while they work when necessary and against whom it is necessary, there is no doubt about it.

What can cause sanctions

Recently, Russia has managed to significantly modernize its economy. For example, production of modern electric trains, Augusta Westland helicopters, cars of various brands, types and sizes was localized. Now we are flying mostly on modern airplanes, trains are becoming more comfortable, in Russia they produce modern TVs, refrigerators and vacuum cleaners. Some manufacturers of high-tech equipment even managed to build their factories, however, mainly assembly plants. Russia as a whole is well integrated into the international economic system, but ...

When the author received an education, he was informed that the basis of the country's wealth is the quality and reproduction of goods of group A (first of all, machines and equipment) produced in the country. As demonstrated above, to limit the flow of such goods to a particular country that is not able to reproduce them on its territory is a matter that lies in a purely technical plane. The production of machine tools and equipment in Russia over the past decade and a half has not simply not developed, but has been almost completely destroyed, the same problem exists with regard to tool production. For an example, let's take a look at modern high-tech production in Russia, for example, at their plant. Gagarin, collecting including Superjet 100 aircraft, which have quite good export potential, are in demand and are often perceived as a symbol of the rebirth of the Russian aircraft industry. Production of the main components of the aircraft fuselage takes place on the modern equipment Haeusler, Loire, Bystar, Water Jet, BYSTRONIC LASER AG, Forest-Line, Maza, DMF, Makino, Fooke-Endura, DMU, ​​GMX, Scholz. Of course, the special punching hydraulic press YAO 6017 is also used. Tools and spare parts for the above machine park are also imported, except for the domestic press, of course. It is easy to guess where the first blow will be sent in case of sanctions.

Also it should be understood that the same Superjet uses in its composition equipment produced abroad. The hot part of the engine and on-board equipment complex are manufactured in France, the plane incorporates American, German, British and even Korean components.

If you look at the automotive industry, it has practically lost its independence over the past decade, although the availability of high-quality cars has increased significantly. The last large domestic automakers, which have maintained relative independence, are KAMAZ and GAZ. But at the same time, for example, the KamAZ plant uses as part of its cars:

• Cummins and Daimler motors;
• Bosch fuel equipment;
• Sachs clutch;
• KP ZF or Allison;
• Tirsan kardan cardan shafts;
• Dana, Daimler or Madara bridges;
• Wabco or Knorr-Bremse brake system;
• Voith suspension;
• Daimler cabs;
• Trelleborg tires;
• exhaust system, seats, appliances and other small components ...

What are we threatened by Western sanctions?

The hole for the three-beam star on the new KamAZ cockpit as a mirror of the problems of the domestic automotive industry


At the same time, only the frame, the outdated engine and the cabin, and then only in some modifications, will remain virtually domestic as part of the modern KamAZ vehicle.

Thus, the sanctions with the prohibition of the supply of this equipment will instantly stop the assembly line of the enterprise, forcing it to return to the production of obsolete products.

The saddest thing about this stories the fact that in Russia there are developers of domestic components who want to create high-quality products and have the appropriate competence. However, the activity of companies-innovators, those economic entities, on whose success the quality of domestic components depends, is confronted with incomprehension and resistance from industry.

An example would be Transas, a manufacturer of modern flight-navigation systems, whose equipment is not included in the newest Russian aircraft. Or one more example: the SuperVariator company has been developing a promising electromechanical continuously variable transmission for four years, capable of competing on equal terms with the latest developments of foreign competitors that are not yet available on the Russian market. During this time, a serious start was made in this direction. A team of capable engineers and developers was assembled on the splinters of a practically destroyed automobile industry, a rapidly degrading scientific school through unimaginable efforts, investors (including the state bank VTB) were found who invested tangible funds in this development. As a result of the work, a mock-up was created, tests were carried out, and even a preliminary design (which caused delight among plant technicians) of a commercial product for one of the Russian manufacturers was protected. And all this so that domestic enterprises do not introduce into their products foreign, outdated gearboxes that have long since descended from conveyors in Europe.

Conclusions

Sanctions, if applied, can hurt the most high-tech, and therefore, ensure maximum margins and a large number of jobs for industries, such as the aviation or automotive industry, space, radio electronics, etc.

To level the possible consequences, it is necessary to restore the machine-tool industry as soon as possible, organize tool production, and also organize a well-diversified, competitive production of components in Russia.

This can be achieved by investing in the real sector of the economy, in innovative and advanced developments, science, expansion and deployment of new production, its modernization.

It is also worth reviewing the state policy regarding the taxation of industrial, engineering and high-tech enterprises, to create a system of incentives and incentives for invention and innovation. Stimulate export. Provide incentives and incentives for enterprises introducing domestic components, purchasing domestic equipment. To provide for barrage measures for extensive development, including the use of cheap low-skilled foreign slave. forces, thereby stimulating modernization.

Otherwise, Russia runs the risk of rapidly slipping to the technological level of the Papuans, losing priorities, competencies and markets, cutting jobs, especially in socially disadvantaged regions and single-industry towns.
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  1. W1950
    +24
    22 March 2014 08: 00
    Worse than 90 will not.
    1. +27
      22 March 2014 08: 46
      What will be our response to the sanctions? what
      1. +8
        22 March 2014 09: 06
        Quote: Sid.74
        What will be our response to the sanctions? what

        it was necessary to place it in the toilet
        1. +31
          22 March 2014 09: 35
          To level the possible consequences, it is necessary to restore the machine-tool industry as soon as possible, organize tool production, and also organize a well-diversified, competitive production of components in Russia.

          This can be achieved by investing in the real sector of the economy, in innovative and advanced developments, science, expansion and deployment of new production, its modernization.


          Faster they would have imposed their sanctions. There will be more reasons to improve the quality of domestic goods and increase their range.

          1. StolzSS
            +7
            22 March 2014 11: 59
            And we already eat potatoes at work and drink vodka, and we never dabbled in burgers, very fast burping))) wassat
            1. +2
              22 March 2014 12: 34
              And we drank and will drink "awl"!
              1. Ataman
                +2
                22 March 2014 18: 28
                The author drives nonsense! It is enough to look at the difference between imports and exports in Russia to understand who needs someone. Machine tools can also be bought through third countries. But let Merkel try to buy Russian gas through the Chinese. In cylinders will carry on his own hump! And do not give uranium to nuclear power plants anymore, let them drown with coal!
                1. +14
                  22 March 2014 18: 58
                  How simple it is for you! We went through this after the Civil War! VERY hard process! And this despite the fact that there was no corrupt oligarchy in power! In addition to everything else, we also need personnel! Where are SPTU, GPTU, technical schools?
                  Some lawyers, economists and managers are stamped!
                  We need Semashko, Dzerzhinsky, Lunacharsky.
                  I hardly believe the deputies who sent their children to London or Miami.
                  1. +4
                    23 March 2014 19: 54
                    Machinists are still there and enterprises capable of producing machines are still missing.
                    Although they do now every little thing.
                    Incidentally, the southeastern industrial potential of these embargoes, which is not dependent on the embargoes, will be just in the subject - it is best preserved and the necessary specialists and vocational schools are still in sufficient quantity there.

                    By the way, machine operators, welders and locksmiths are well trained in vocational schools in Central Asia - there are not only shtulers-mullers and concrete workers-poltniks.
                    Here the other day, they sent from Tajikistan a catalog of specialists from a local vocational school - in addition to plumbers and welders, there are also CNC machine operators. And postscript - we will prepare specialists for any profile your company needs with a good knowledge of the Russian language. There is no doubt about a good knowledge of the Russian language - the welder has arranged for us all the textbooks and reference books brought by him - reprints of textbooks in Russian in 1978.

                    By the way, the instrumental production has survived - all sorts of STIs, calmness and others make "imported" instruments for export to Russia.

                    So it will already be easier than in 1920.
                  2. 0
                    23 March 2014 23: 43
                    Well, since it’s impatient, we will quickly drive them; just a good reason to draw)
                    We’ll collect the train straight to London and everyone - let them re-qualify from the oligarchs to the miners on the spot.
                    Without them, we’ll quickly manage, maybe we will restore the USSR ... So there are some pluses.
                    And for the independence of the country in the future you can suffer from the undead.
                    Yes, you don’t have to suffer, the times are not the same now - everything is under the nose: and machines and technologies, just do it. There are no borders, there is Internet - no problems!
                2. saber1357
                  +1
                  22 March 2014 22: 43
                  Of course, what kind of garbage - I discussed everything, I forgot about gas! Elephant, did not notice, in general.

                  And the author must also be minus for poisonous phrases like "Otherwise, Russia risks rapidly sliding down to the technological level of the Papuans, while losing priorities, competencies and markets," and so on. Well, if you, the author, an analyst, and not a vile whiner, why should you end up with such nonsense, on average, a not entirely bad article. Is he trying to frighten?
                3. Aptimist
                  -4
                  22 March 2014 23: 15
                  If they drown with coal, then we will have nothing to buy machines through third countries for!
                  1. 0
                    23 March 2014 20: 01
                    Quote: Aptimist
                    If they drown with coal, then we will have nothing to buy machines through third countries for!

                    Let them drown them even with pellets.
                    China has already said that how they bought gas and oil in Russia, including they will be - they will not have enough Iranian ones.
                    So if something is done by China through Afghanistan or the DPRK, it will supply what Russia will need.
                    Well, India will also buy gas - for one and a half billion gas, they have not enough of their gas produced even just for cooking.

                    We will interrupt.
            2. +7
              22 March 2014 20: 03
              Hamburgers and in general McDonald's products are dangerous to health - any nutritionist or sanitary doctor will confirm. Who knows how to determine the brand of alcohol from which vodka is made from new excise stamps?
              A good snack-soaked pear-wild-bird (mullet), but herring is our eternal ...
            3. +1
              23 March 2014 19: 35
              Quote: StolzSS
              never dabbled in hamburgers very fast burping killer)))

              Oh how ...
              Did not know...
              I have not tried them yet ...
        2. +36
          22 March 2014 15: 23
          Amazingly reasonable article! Many thanks to the author!
          However, to everything else, I would add the urgent need to exit the WTO, raising industrial espionage to the rank of state policy, shamelessly copying existing analogues!
          We have the right to it! Our economy was collapsing under the supervision of IMF consultants and other Western trash who paid the drunk and his family!
          It is necessary to prove to these creatures that either they will give or we will select!
          The industrialization of the country and the restoration of mechanical engineering (not a screwdriver) is the future!
          And Rogozin in this direction. He will not be too delicate ...
          1. +2
            23 March 2014 00: 43
            China is spying, and nothing ...
        3. raf
          +4
          22 March 2014 15: 40
          Quote: andrey777
          it was necessary to place it in the toilet
          In a public toilet, some sort of numbed railway station!
        4. bif
          +5
          22 March 2014 22: 54
          Quote: andrey777

          it was necessary to place it in the toilet
          1. +2
            22 March 2014 23: 05
            Where I bought it, it looks very nice.
        5. 0
          24 March 2014 09: 45
          too much honor.
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      3. +4
        22 March 2014 11: 42
        LTD!!! Good doormat! We must look for the same laughing
        1. 0
          23 March 2014 20: 03
          In our market, the Chinese have been selling these for half a year already ..
      4. +11
        22 March 2014 14: 24
        Quote: Sid.74
        What will be our response to the sanctions?


        I will get acquainted with a US citizen permanently residing in the Russian Federation for the imposition of sanctions (20 cm)! laughing laughing
      5. +1
        22 March 2014 20: 00
        Where did you buy it? Bed at the cottage to wipe his feet
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    3. Horde
      +11
      22 March 2014 10: 38
      the entire liberoid press has been screaming for decades about how good it is to be in the international community because the INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION in creating something is very good, civilized and progressive. But now the TIME has come to check the CORRECTNESS of SUCH ideas and what do we see? Russia sits on an OIL NEEDLE and lives a stream of green TALLERS, everywhere everything is not in Russian from chips, God forgive me, to cars and aircraft. Do we produce military aircraft? and on what equipment? tanks are the same story. But there is such a propaganda site doneunas so they just rub off rejoice, to each new machine from behind a hill. Well, in the case of SANCTIONS, THESE machine tools in the event of breakdowns will lead to Russia being unable to produce combat aircraft and other equipment. But the hard-fought Putin was constantly talking about this.
      1. +4
        22 March 2014 11: 54
        Our factories still have German machine tools from the 30-40s of the last century. In case of breakdowns, they have never asked for help abroad. And also because of the hillock, machines have not been brought in for a long time, only those that are specialized and are not produced in our country. Well, for example as 'Poplar'
        produces only RUSSIA.
        1. Horde
          +11
          22 March 2014 12: 36
          Quote: komendor
          Our factories still have German machine tools from the 30-40s of the last century. In case of breakdowns, they have never asked for help abroad. And also because of the hillock, machines have not been brought in for a long time, only those that are specialized and are not produced in our country. Well, for example as 'Poplar'
          produces only RUSSIA.


          do not compare the gears of machine tools in the 30s and the complex electronic control, as well as the SOFTWARE of modern machines, in addition, in the event of war, the possibility of the operation of LOCKS in programs and microcircuits is not excluded ...
          1. +2
            22 March 2014 13: 19
            Quote: Horde
            in the event of war, it is not ruled out the possibility of operation of the BID in programs and microcircuits ...

            In the event of a war? 3rd World War? I assure you that these machines with CNC and electronics after its beginning and its rapid completion, if they remain "alive", are unlikely to be needed by anyone.

            1. Horde
              -9
              22 March 2014 13: 25
              Quote: GreatRussia
              In the event of a war? 3rd World War? I assure you that these machines with CNC and electronics after its beginning and its rapid completion, if they remain "alive", are unlikely to be needed by anyone.


              another Cold War, several years and sophisticated Western equipment will fall, and with it the entire military might of Putin's Russia ...
              1. saber1357
                +1
                22 March 2014 22: 46
                And the horde, with an Amerian liberal soul, was dispersed here with its pindorastic views on OUR HISTORY
              2. Containers
                0
                23 March 2014 22: 39
                Another one? But is that first one already over?
          2. Aptimist
            +6
            22 March 2014 23: 23
            Why are you so worried about the machines ??? Do Europeans do something ??? Well, yes, the idea and the embodiment of them !!! Well, and further inland? Then China makes and collects them! And with China we are still nishtyak.
            I’ll tell you that if China imposed sanctions, it would be more difficult and painful than the Europeans.
          3. 0
            23 March 2014 20: 18
            Quote: Horde
            sophisticated electronic control, as well as SOFTWARE for modern machines

            What software?
            Try to put in 32 kilobytes what mattresses do not fit in 2 gigabytes, and then scare them already.

            Quote: Horde
            it is possible that bookmarks can be triggered in programs and microcircuits


            Moreover, Russia needs to seek an embargo.
            Although then, in addition to software development and engineering, something else will begin to develop. Moreover, there are technologies in scientific institutes and only the availability of cheaper and more affordable Western equipment prevents their introduction into production.
            And there have never been a shortage of ideas and ideas in Russia.
        2. +3
          22 March 2014 18: 33
          Do not compare machines 30-40 years, what is there to repair ?!
          And in a modern CNC machine there are drives (done there), there are spindles (done there), almost all electronics (done there)! How will you repair them if nothing of this is done here ?!
          Well, and the last - call me at least one machine of our production, I do not mean 16K20 or 6P12 (or based on them), although they are not made, but are being repaired.
          1. +1
            23 March 2014 20: 35
            Quote: voffchik7691
            How will you repair them if nothing of this is done here ?!

            Yes, just like the TREF series soil pumps, we throw out a dead Dutch built-in frequency bracket (price for spare parts 800E, delivery time 4 weeks) and put an external Chinese frequency bracket suitable for power (retail price 240E, delivery time 1 week).
            We found something to frighten the Soviet engineer.

            Not all 16A20 and 6p12 have been handed over to ferrous metal yet - we will rewind the motors, we will adapt the Chinese chastotniks. A computer Electronics 60 on them is indestructible by definition and are still preserved in the zahashniki circuit boards CPU PDP70 made of loose powder type k 155LA3 - THEY WILL BE ETERNAL!

            So on what to make silent screws for submarines and the hull for accelerometers there is what will be on what.
      2. +3
        22 March 2014 13: 59
        Quote: Horde
        With the loss of its machine tool RUSSIA

        And who is the director of the Institute of Heavy Engineering (or whatever)?
        1. Horde
          -6
          22 March 2014 14: 24
          Quote: Pilat2009
          And who is the director of the Institute of Heavy Engineering (or whatever)?

          grandfather fir laughing
          1. saber1357
            +1
            22 March 2014 22: 47
            And also hamlo, the Tatar-Mongol yoke and the Holocaust denies (Hitler was also a lover of the horde)
      3. saber1357
        0
        22 March 2014 22: 45
        In, the horde teaches us to live! Come on, come on, again you will be captured captive, Baskuda
      4. +1
        23 March 2014 20: 09
        Quote: Horde
        and on what equipment?

        On equipment with a plate Made in the USSR and with a release date no later than 1990.
        Customized such tuned. And I set up - they still invite.
        And they work great and precision.
        One problem - because of the long production of buckets, dishes and garden sets on them, skills were lost.
    4. 0
      22 March 2014 13: 11
      will be. Then even the plants stood.
    5. Corporal
      -1
      22 March 2014 13: 23
      Hope for the best, get ready for the worst. Will we survive, become stronger? Yes! But it will not be easy.

      For example, from a simple one - MS Windows will stop working. Almost everything will rise, completely. Not for a very long time, but nonetheless.
      1. +3
        22 March 2014 17: 23
        Quote: Efreytor
        For example, from a simple one - MS Windows will stop working. Almost everything will rise, completely. Not for a very long time, but nonetheless.

        then let's switch to Linux and everything will be the same ... On the other hand, why should she get up with it, pirated versions work and nothing ... fellow
      2. +1
        22 March 2014 21: 16
        Quote: Efreytor
        MS Windows will stop working.

        Well, if she doesn’t want to work, then the money is paid for her in vain — violation of the agreement’s terms. Our liberals should think about copyright compliance. Turn a blind eye to the use of pirated products. Let the petty-soft ones do it, but only who will talk to them ?
        Quote: PSih2097
        pirated versions work and nothing ..

        When I had corporate faces and I was reckless to upgrade, the sound disappeared and everything began to fail.
      3. 0
        23 March 2014 20: 41
        Quote: Efreytor
        For example, from a simple one - MS Windows will stop working

        And what?
        Let's move on to VINE. Business then.
        In addition, the machine 16A20 does not work on Windows.

        It is the Iranians who at first laughed with Siemens controllers for centrifuges. So we just switched to another software and continued to work further.
        1. Corporal
          0
          24 March 2014 09: 55
          Unfortunately, not everything is so simple, we have almost all offices, centers for working with citizens of various social services, institutes, etc. They are sitting on Windows, and fresh, specialized software is precisely based on the latest versions of Windows. Now all this will rise, and Vine will not save here. Cut off from the Internet systems working in conjunction with computers in all regions - as you imagine it.

          Piracy is not a reason to burn the main bookmarks, but a licensed OS or not, who will care when we become enemies.
      4. Containers
        0
        23 March 2014 22: 43
        Yes, from what hangover will it get up if it is not connected to the Internet? Will Billy give the order to Windows "stand up" by the power of thought?
    6. +8
      22 March 2014 13: 34
      In the 41st geyropa, led by Adolf, imposed sanctions. In the 45th, a Russian soldier canceled them.
      1. +8
        22 March 2014 13: 58
        Until the 41st, Stalin conducted industrialization and in our country they released everything they needed, and now we have a resource-based economy.
    7. +6
      22 March 2014 13: 41
      pessimists say that everything is bad and worse, but optimists know what happens ...
    8. Observer
      0
      22 March 2014 14: 18
      Truly so.
    9. +2
      22 March 2014 17: 09
      Yes, everything will be normal, there will be no sanctions-shmankts, merci, audi, bmveshek, well, maybe now not only localization, but also a completely new production will be taken as a head start for the automotive industry, for the aviation industry, for instrumentation and glass construction. By the way, about the auto industry, I’ve been driving a jig for 10 years already and nothing, I need an approach and care laughing and then big big to do bully . By the way escho eat Korea, India hi
    10. +4
      23 March 2014 01: 10
      I got the feeling that the article was designed so that Russia would be afraid of sanctions. Firstly, the author does not have information on machine tools in Russia at all, secondly, he is now a leader in machine tools, including high-tech ones, as China is not surprising, he even overtook the United States and Japan, thirdly, Russia has at least 100 enterprises that produce high-tech machine tools and equipment, and this is about 900.000 - 1.500.000 machines per year. Fourth, the share of domestic machines in defense enterprises is a state secret and the author can just guess about their number. Fifth, at the moment, due to credit conditions, private machine-tool enterprises in Russia are not able to compete with Western and even more so with Chinese machine-builders, and so, under this credit scheme, often a private factory is recognized bankrupt, and who do you think after that buys it? That's right, state! Thus, we can state the fact that Russia is actively introducing new capacities for the domestic machine tool industry, both purely Russian and cluster production, so I consider this article a provocation and alarmism!
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  2. +20
    22 March 2014 08: 01
    Yes, we have something to lose. But let's be frank to the end, and not half, and make a list of what the West will not get.
    And believe me, too, a lot.
    1. +27
      22 March 2014 08: 10
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      And believe me, too, a lot.
      Oil, gas, titanium, steel, aluminum. But it doesn’t matter since trade through third countries will not stop. And China has made it clear that it will not join the sanctions. In addition, this embargo will finally force to diversify the economy, and begin to develop domestic engineering.
      1. +2
        22 March 2014 08: 24
        VSMPO-Avisma Corporation, a Russian titanium producer, is a strategic partner and supplier of Boeing. In August 2007, representatives of Boeing and VSMPO announced the creation of a joint venture Ural Boeing Manufacturing (UBM) for the processing of titanium stampings. This joint venture, with equal shares, began to produce components for the Boeing 787 Dreamliner in 2009.

        Like a blow to mmmmm ... twins wink .
      2. +8
        22 March 2014 14: 30
        For example, I can’t understand why Germany is so yelling about sanctions fool After all, they supply 45% of their expensive auto industry to Russia. Half of the tree-sticks !!!!! What will happen to their economy if this channel gets up? Or do they think it will be someone else to buy? Well, yes, before that they didn’t buy it, but now they will be, bullshit. You can still remember about roundwood, fertilizers, where Russia is one of the leaders in export. I still think that mattresses, along with their mongrels, oh, sorry, together with their allies, they won’t go to such a complete redivision of the world.
    2. +3
      22 March 2014 10: 25
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      Yes, we have something to lose. But let's be frank to the end, and not half, and make a list of what the West will not get.

      The author forgot to mention that on those high-tech machines that are installed at Sukhoi plants, a lot of parts are produced for Boeing and Airbas aircraft. In addition, with some effort, Russia is able to build its own modern machine-tool plant (not the gods burn pots), and this in due time will create competition for its Western counterparts. The capitalists understand this all and are in no hurry to introduce economic sanctions against Russia.
      1. +15
        22 March 2014 10: 50
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        In addition, with some effort, Russia is able to build its own modern machine-tool plant (not the gods burn pots), and this in due time will create competition for its Western counterparts.

        Can you imagine what a modern machining center is? Judging by what they wrote, no. What is needed here is not "some effort" but a real state program. And you may not even dream of creating competition for Japanese, German or Swiss machine tools.
        The author of the article is absolutely right, sanctions aimed at modern technological equipment in Russia, this is the worst thing they can do. We will live without Coca-Cola and McDonald's, we will live without Fords and BMWs, but the unfinished remnants of our industry rest on imported equipment. And this is very bad!
        1. +5
          22 March 2014 11: 33
          Quote: Letun
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          In addition, with some effort, Russia is able to build its own modern machine-tool plant (not the gods burn pots), and this in due time will create competition for its Western counterparts.

          Can you imagine what a modern machining center is? Judging by what they wrote, no. What is needed here is not "some effort" but a real state program. And you may not even dream of creating competition for Japanese, German or Swiss machine tools.
          The author of the article is absolutely right, sanctions aimed at modern technological equipment in Russia, this is the worst thing they can do. We will live without Coca-Cola and McDonald's, we will live without Fords and BMWs, but the unfinished remnants of our industry rest on imported equipment. And this is very bad!

          I completely agree with you. First you need to re-learn how to produce machine tools, avionics, and so on. high-tech equipment (at least 50%), and then “throw caps”. By the way, such sanctions will hit our industry much more painfully, since the United States, the European Union, Israel can freely cooperate with each other, and who are we with? With China, Iran, India? And the PRC, most likely, will not supply us with anything high-tech. So, to the two "allies" - the army and the navy, one should add no less important - a developed high-tech industry.
        2. +5
          22 March 2014 11: 58
          "some effort" but a real government program.

          Actually, this program exists in 2010, maybe earlier.
          Only we have built 2 plants. And there are a lot of them in the country. It's just not enough
          is shown. Yes, and why. And why is it considered that imported equipment is
          very bad. We produce imported equipment and machines only adapted for RUSSIAN consumers.
        3. 0
          22 March 2014 13: 15
          you need the effort of the state time and prepared maps, and this is all time again
        4. +2
          23 March 2014 12: 51
          Quote: Letun
          Can you imagine what a modern machining center is?

          Yes, I can imagine that in Gomel they make and sell to Germany, the USA and 40 more countries of the world. There are also machine-tool factories in Russia operating at a very high technological level.
          Here for example

          And in Ulyanovsk, a completely new machine-tool plant is being built
          1. 0
            24 March 2014 08: 34
            All the automation of this machine is "foreign" .... For example, the operator panel "SIEMENS", and even the red mushroom emergency shutdown "ABB" or "Schneider" ..... And as an engineer of the process control system, I will tell you, in the automation of any technological processes at the moment, in Russia, only 99% of the "foreign" filling is used ..... And this is sad (((.... And it is not at all about Coca-Cola (((
        5. +1
          23 March 2014 20: 50
          Quote: Letun
          Can you imagine what a modern machining center is?


          Multi-spindle milling machine with manipulators and CNC.

          This is if you need to cut the budget headstock - you need a state program and a Duma profile committee.

          And if a working machining center is mass-produced, ten engineers at any enterprise with a machine park suitable for the manufacture of basic iron will be enough.
      2. +1
        22 March 2014 12: 37
        If sanctions are imposed, we will stop supplying parts for Boeings and Airbases. The Germans will fly in full, they have 6000 enterprises here ... drinks
    3. +12
      22 March 2014 11: 45
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      And believe me, too, a lot.


      In Russia, the entire food industry is tied to American TNCs. Such American giants as Coca-Cola, ConocoPhillips, Microsoft, McDonald's, Wrigley, Procter & Gamble, PepsiCo, Philip Morris, Ford, General Motors, Hewlett-Packard, Chevron operate in the Russian Federation. Many of them have factories in Russia. For example, Coca-Cola Hellenic owns 14 plants in Russia, including two Multon plants.
      it’s only the USA, I’m modestly silent about Europe, because there, without the Russian market, civilized people without zhopogreki will arrange a real pan-European Maidan, but why there the Maidan. The Islamic revolution as soon as the benefits are cut off to the Arabs and Turks.

      GM has a joint venture with AvtoVAZ and a plant in St. Petersburg, Ford also has a plant in St. Petersburg. In addition, many companies have dozens of distribution centers or outlets, such as McDonald's. In 2013, American companies invested, including portfolio investment, $ 14 billion in Russia.

      Russia may confiscate property, assets and accounts of foreign companies located on its territory. Such an asymmetric and, it seems, very effective response to possible American sanctions was proposed by the Federation Council. Lawyers believe that such steps can be found a legitimate basis, and economists - that the losses of United States companies will be extremely large.
      The newspaper "Vzglyad" writes

      And bringing Russia to democracy in Libyan will not work, because somewhere in a remote Ivanovo village a grandmother is watching news on TV, and outside the window ... Poplar is quietly going rustling with tires, the "Crowns" have moved apart, all the mines have opened try to get us from the bay- flounders smile





  3. +4
    22 March 2014 08: 07
    And what if you create a holding company that will develop and test the entire range of products for import substitution, so to speak, work "on the table" or in small batches where possible, it is certainly costly, but if the oxygen is cut off somewhere, it will remain to bring out the development and implement it in production
    1. predator.3
      +6
      22 March 2014 10: 02
      The saddest thing about this story is that in Russia there are developers of domestic components who want to create high-quality products and have the appropriate competence. However, the activities of innovative companies, those economic entities, on the success of which the quality of domestic components depends, faced with misunderstanding and resistance from industry.
      Earlier with this "misunderstanding and resistance" Comrade Stalin understood very quickly and efficiently.
      1. gsg955
        +2
        22 March 2014 10: 19
        Officials at felling ...
    2. +4
      22 March 2014 11: 03
      this is exactly what is happening now:

      ... An example is Transas, a manufacturer of modern flight and navigation systems, whose equipment is not included in the latest Russian aircraft. Or another example: for four years, the Supervariator company has been developing a promising electromechanical continuously variable transmission capable of competing on equal terms with the latest developments of foreign competitors that are not yet available on the Russian market. During this time, a serious backlog was created in this direction. A team of capable engineers and developers was assembled through fragments of the practically destroyed automobile industry, a rapidly degrading scientific school, through unthinkable efforts, investors were found (including the VTB State Bank) who invested tangible funds in this development. As a result of the work, a mock-up was created, tests were carried out, and even a preliminary design (which aroused the enthusiasm of the plant’s technical experts) for a commercial product for one of the Russian manufacturers was protected ...

      Surely there are many more such examples. Their time did not come. Sanctions will help us. So that there are more sanctions, good and different.
      1. +1
        22 March 2014 12: 18
        All right, there are a lot of examples. Unfortunately, in many cities, such enterprises are not allowed to develop local and central officials.
        1. Containers
          0
          24 March 2014 00: 36
          Are there any examples?
  4. comrad74
    +1
    22 March 2014 08: 09
    We need to level the chances. Give Poplar BUK !!! And there at least Fallout does not grow wassat
  5. 77bob1973
    +5
    22 March 2014 08: 17
    So what's the problem? They shut off oxygen, we think Russia is not Iran!
    1. +4
      22 March 2014 09: 57
      Quote: 77bob1973
      So what's the problem? They shut off oxygen, we think Russia is not Iran!

      To block the sales market in Russia, will it have to do import substitution, attract China, India !!? Who tell me in Europe and the United States is so marginal that it will refuse to profit, for what? The West can create any meanness, but to betray grandmothers, communism is not their horse.
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  7. Gennady1973
    +29
    22 March 2014 08: 19
    At one time, the USSR was in such sanctions that Iran never dreamed of, plus two world wars! neither the "iron curtain" nor any boycotts, sanctions, bans, etc. did not prevent the country from being the first to be in space, to have a fleet and an army that the whole world was afraid of, so it will be more difficult, but not a catastrophe.
    1. +5
      22 March 2014 08: 36
      The level of international cooperation in the creation of specific high-tech products was not so high. Nowadays, one state alone can rarely do on its own when creating competitive products. But ours can ...
    2. +2
      22 March 2014 10: 24
      We won the 2nd world, because we had both machine tools and factories. Now all the machines and technologies are delivered to us by enemies. And their developments are ignored. Just for a second, imagine a repetition of the Second World War. How will we build tanks? In one Russian spirit, we won’t leave here, unfortunately.
    3. -2
      22 March 2014 13: 18
      only you will work, as in 1937.
      1. +2
        22 March 2014 13: 41
        Quote: vova1973
        only you will work, as in 1937.

        Do you remember how you worked then? laughing
      2. Gennady1973
        +2
        23 March 2014 07: 58
        I still work and not on the Maidan. So what? I did not drink with you to switch to YOU. I have worked and will work. I don’t need a pitchfork. wife, son, daughter, fed, shod, dressed, and this is the main thing!
  8. +8
    22 March 2014 08: 20
    I agree, our government supports traders, not manufacturers.

    http://topwar.ru/41837-sankciy-boyatsya-nezachem-my-usilivaemsya-ot-davleniya.ht
    ml # comment-id-2118314
    Since the Gaidar times, the economic block of our government reflects the interests of traders - to the detriment of the interests of manufacturers

    The imposition of sanctions stimulates the development of own production
    I am for sanctions

    And I agree with the author:
    the basis of the country's wealth is the quality and reproduction of goods of group A (primarily machines and equipment) produced in the country.
    1. +1
      22 March 2014 11: 43
      Quote: MainBeam
      The imposition of sanctions stimulates the development of own production
      I am for sanctions


      Maybe there was no need to prepare for the Patriotic War? All the same, we would have won, right? Let's not think about the future, let us block the air, we will learn how to breathe with gills.
      1. 0
        22 March 2014 12: 54
        I do not see the logic of the transition from my statement to yours.
        In other words: what prompted you to such thoughts after you read my koment to this article?
  9. 0
    22 March 2014 08: 23
    "Big words were" if you remember, Putin said we will raise the military industry, it will pull the entire industry of Russia. In fact, as we did piece by piece, we do it. We are not afraid of sanctions, we are afraid of their consequences, how they will affect the Russian industry.
    1. Containers
      0
      24 March 2014 01: 00
      Kindly - tell us what we do piece by piece?
  10. +12
    22 March 2014 08: 24
    About the sanctions. Yesterday I got the info that England can put a paw on Abromovich’s assets. Smiled. I have 2 suggestions for this nouveau riche. Roma, order the next yacht in Severodvinsk, although it will not be very sophisticated, but with a built-in torpedo compartment and a Russian flag, no cameron can be reached. Second: to my small 8 years, he loves football very much. I allow him to buy uniforms and sneakers, to pay for future fees and dinners. And how he grows up, so be it, I will allow him to play for Spartak-Chukotka, if you do not interfere in his upbringing. Your Negro football will soon be taken away, only Sony Playstation will leave - if you will take the Champions League there.
  11. +6
    22 March 2014 08: 24
    And who says it will be easy?
    Just now we need to begin technological modernization. Advance.
    1. +1
      22 March 2014 08: 38
      Already started. And not even this year. But somehow everything is slow ... for now ...
    2. 0
      22 March 2014 09: 36
      For the last 15-20 years, "technological modernization" for the absolute majority of countries in the world understood the purchase of Western (or Japanese-Korean) imported lines and equipment. Something can be bought from the Chinese, something from the Indians, who have established a licensed (or simply copied) production of equipment. Truth and quality-support there is often much lower than that of technology leaders.
      There is more hope that in the conditions of the global economic crisis, serious sanctions will not work ... They will hit those who introduce them and, first of all, this, of course, is oil and gas.
  12. +1
    22 March 2014 08: 26
    And you did not think, maybe the whole mess with Ukraine was started by the United States in order for the Russian Federation to block the gas pipe to Europe? And sanctions - an elementary non-military provocation?

    http://www.finmarket.ru/main/article/3272414
    The US is slow in starting shale gas exports - the administration fears that the country will turn into an exporter of hydrocarbons and forget how to work. But Charles Ebinger of Brookings believes that you need to drop fears and engage in export - this is the only way the US can help its allies in Europe and save them from humiliating dependence on Russia
  13. +9
    22 March 2014 08: 28
    In some KAMAZ models, even built for the needs of the RF Armed Forces, the share of imported components is up to 35%. The most enormous abyss is in the radio-electronic industry and the production of electrical radio products. The Pantsir-S complex includes a French thermal imager. etc. etc. We'll have to strain ... But! There is a silver lining! There is an incentive to develop or restore some industries! And for the rest of the world it will not be sweet to break some ties with us. Don't pee, Russians! We'll cope ...
  14. +9
    22 March 2014 08: 30
    Reconnaissance - steal, buy, steal the technologies that are essential for our industry as they did when necessary, during the USSR and now the Chinese. And in general: maybe our authorities will understand that it is necessary to produce high-tech products 100% of their own. As a hint, I remind you that during the desert storm in 1991, the French planes and tanks bought by Saddam for a lot of money for some reason really could not fly, ride or shoot. And we. By the way, they are surrounded from the east, south, west, north.
    1. +1
      22 March 2014 10: 24
      And even earlier, Argentinean French-made missiles did not explode when hitting British ships. They were "accidentally" defective.
  15. +5
    22 March 2014 08: 37
    Well then, we will restore what we destroyed. We have everything for this. And sanctions are like a catalyst.
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  17. +7
    22 March 2014 08: 43
    No need to be afraid of sanctions!

    Before industrialization, Comrade Stalin was in a much more losing position - and, nothing, managed.

    After World War II, there was no help. Restored destroyed.

    Let's do it!
  18. +2
    22 March 2014 08: 53
    I also think that worse than 90 will not. Ill with freedom and permissiveness. It seems that people wake up conscience.
  19. Ddhal
    +6
    22 March 2014 09: 06
    Dear author,
    No need to escalate a gift-driven panic. Each stick has two ends, but at the moment there are at least three on our side.
    Firstly, in the calculations for raw materials, we can switch to gold or rubles, and then who comes forward in the Stone Age is not known, for the American military-printing economy will sprinkle for sure.
    Secondly, there is China for components and spare parts. parts, they have already learned to maintain the required level of quality.
    And thirdly, joining Rogozin, we are finally starting to develop our intellectual production - in this regard, the sanctions of the Western "partners" are especially encouraging.
    1. RusSever
      +2
      22 March 2014 09: 15
      I agree with you. We must do OWN. The author squeals about the SUPERJET airplane - this is not an airplane - it is squalor, which can only be a European "airplane" Like a Boeing and an airbus taken together. Graduated in the 90s USSR Aviation Industry - glory to Yeltsin and Gaidar. Superjet - this project and Mr. Poghosyan should be dealt with competently ...
  20. +3
    22 March 2014 09: 19
    from the Don.
    I believe that the imposition of sanctions will be useful for us, FOR OUR INDUSTRY. Still with the WTO would be expelled!
    1. -1
      22 March 2014 09: 42
      Is it useful in that we return 20 years ago in technology? And this is at best. Let me remind you, for example, that without cooperation, the maximum for our car market is some models of Grant, Kalina and Prior cars. The vast majority of complex electronics, especially industrial ... Yes, and much more.
  21. +4
    22 March 2014 09: 22
    Article +++.

    "When the author was receiving his education, he was told that the basis of the country's wealth is the quality and reproduction of Group A goods (primarily machine tools and equipment) produced in the country."

    These are the foundations of an industrialized state. It is high time to revive this sector of the economy.
  22. +5
    22 March 2014 09: 23
    No sanctions will interrupt the desire of Russia to put the United States in * opu. It would not be difficult, but the joy of what kind of hysteria they have there gives additional strength.
  23. andruha70
    0
    22 March 2014 09: 33
    article-minus ... the author has either a problem with logic, or with a story, "not everything is okay", or: boy-sent ... request it seems like in the "soviet" time - both planes flew and KAMAZ went ... wink in Russia, together with two friends (well, you all know wink ) one way: I bring everything with me !!!
    1. 0
      22 March 2014 13: 38
      I will add on my own. Before World War II, the states pressed Japan with sanctions. As a result, they got pearl harbor and several years of war. I agree that the analogy is inappropriate. But, politics is a concentrated economy. Americans must understand that they cannot go too far, because "there are things that are much more important than the world." One day they will wake up not from an alarm clock, but from a very bright flash, and we are not Japanese.
  24. +3
    22 March 2014 09: 41
    About KamAZ I agree with the comment — especially imported components and assemblies are used on prototypes of equipment for various purposes, since nothing like the same powerful and compact is produced in Russia, at best if there are exhibition samples. Somewhere there is not enough money, somewhere there is not enough coordination between various departments, ideas that is, there is no mass production
  25. +8
    22 March 2014 09: 46
    Russia was expelled from the Group of Eight, the United States and its six remained ........)))))))))))))))))))))))))) laughing
  26. upasika1918
    0
    22 March 2014 09: 50
    Alarmists to the wall. Aftora: Can't we live without airplanes? Will we ride the locomotives? Die without European grub and swill? Without kurshavely and monaco? Fooled without multi-colored candoms and pads? What a caring alarmist!
  27. +3
    22 March 2014 09: 53
    A good article shows one of the relevant topics at any time, the introduction of various kinds of innovations including and from domestic Kulibins. If it weren’t for the rotten corruption and the officials bought, then maybe they would have gone not on gas engines but on more modern developments
  28. Gagarin
    0
    22 March 2014 10: 14
    ARTICLE POROZHENCHESKAYA!
    WOLVES ARE AFRAID - DO NOT GO TO FOREST!
    (are they afraid of the wolf in the forest?)
  29. +5
    22 March 2014 10: 16
    I work at a defense enterprise - almost all machines - Japan, USA, Germany, Italy. it is a fact. But, believe me, I will do my job and at 2 times cheaper Chinese I will do no worse - and they are already rubbing their hands, waiting for the sanctions on the import of technological equipment to be introduced. so it is with engines, gearboxes, etc. all over China I run trucks with Chinese copies of "Cummins", "Deutz", "Caterpilar", which now have completely unpronounceable names - I don't know what will prevent us from releasing a copy of "Kammins" under the brand name "Victory"!
    1. 0
      22 March 2014 10: 43
      Some machines can be replaced with Chinese, and some can not. Others simply have purchased import nodes and the Chinese may also indicate the impossibility of their supply to us ...

      PS And yes, interestingly, having received such power over us, in fact, China will not take advantage of this by monopolizing supplies?
      1. +1
        22 March 2014 14: 05
        almost everything, except for unique machines, can be replaced by the Chinese. but the fact that we have a lag in this sector needs to be worked on. and large firms will not give up their market! why do they need it ??? find ways to get around sanctions, only for us it may turn out to be more expensive
        1. 0
          22 March 2014 14: 50
          I don’t know, almost the entire commandant’s office I met (with the exception of the simplest machines) was either licensed or purchased ...
          And the hope that they will not want to lose money on us is basically the main one.
  30. +2
    22 March 2014 10: 31
    The article is good, but I would like to know the state of things in other sectors. In particular, I heard that there is absolutely trouble with pharmaceuticals. Namely, with medicines for serious illnesses. I remember Putin held a meeting and talked about the dependence on a number of such medicines, the production of which completely absent. And asked as soon as possible to provide a plan for overcoming this addiction. People who use these drugs probably live with anxiety now.
    1. +3
      22 March 2014 11: 07
      Iran, India and someone else declared an epidemic (about hepatitis) and started the unlicensed production of interferon, but we have a real epidemic but we respect the copyrights of Western manufacturers and do not produce cheap analogues, killing a poor population.
    2. Marine One
      +1
      22 March 2014 12: 03
      Quote: Deadmen
      In particular, I heard that it’s a complete disaster with pharmaceuticals. Namely, with medicines for serious illnesses


      Nothing fun. For oncology, for cardiovascular and so on - solid imports. And in those isolated cases where there is no import of the finished product, there is imported raw materials. The wife is a neurosurgeon. In the clinic where she works of domestic production, except that small things are all kind of bandages and gloves. I’m silent about the equipment. However, even in Iraq at the peak of sanctions, the shipment of drugs did not stop. It would be something to pay for them.

      Quote: Deadmen
      And he asked me to provide a plan for overcoming this dependence as soon as possible.

      He’s good for what the plan requested. Sense something? In advanced pharma and medical equipment, the USSR even catastrophically lagged behind in the best years. Here only if the whole plants are imported with laboratories and specialists.
  31. +1
    22 March 2014 10: 32
    And what prevents us from acting like the Chinese? Learn to do them with us. Are there really no brains enough? And this, Comrade Putin, crush the merchant of our Motherland, support manufacturers and scientists.
    1. +1
      22 March 2014 10: 41
      To do this, first you need to get these technologies, train personnel, work on this equipment, then buy decommissioned ones, disassemble them, consult with experienced operators, and then do your own thing by buying critical components abroad or removing them from used equipment. Then build your first machines, copy software on them and see what happened.
      Better yet, just buy a license and, having established production with the help of a seller, produce equipment, it’s not what you originally agreed on, but what you want. And having bought the missing issue as completely mine.
  32. wanderer_032
    +5
    22 March 2014 10: 42
    I won’t say anything about aircraft, but I can say something about automotive.
    Yes, there is a share of imported units in the auto industry, but we also have our own developments in terms of Yaroslavl diesel engines of new series:





    Diesel of the YaMZ-530 series.



    Diesel of the YaMZ-650 series.
    1. +2
      22 March 2014 10: 58
      It is much more interesting which machines will process parts for these engines. And even domestic ones come, and there all the electronics are imported.
      1. +1
        22 March 2014 12: 25
        Yes, and let it be imported. She works for us. Moreover, it is a market if it is cheaper there. Our electronics in the army works well.
        1. 0
          22 March 2014 13: 15
          And sanctions may apply to imported electronics.
          "Our" sophisticated electronics, manufactured in Taiwan, as a rule. They can also crush her.
    2. wanderer_032
      +3
      22 March 2014 11: 09
      These are just two samples of new diesel engines. In addition, there is a line of well-developed diesel engines of the YaMZ-236,238,240 series. Including upgraded to modern parameters (high power). So our automotive equipment and wheeled armored vehicles will not remain without engines.
      The same applies to gearboxes, clutch units and axles. And the Yaroslavl plant is only one enterprise. There is also KAMAZ, ZMZ, UMP and many others.
      Without trucks, we certainly won’t stay, and as for cars, here is a VAZ and cards in hand. And people will look after quality.
      Russia has enough enterprises to produce modern automotive (and not only) equipment, using only its own facilities without imported accessories.
      Based on existing imported accessories (penvo-hydraulic equipment, filters, etc.), you can start producing your own products and thereby provide your own need.
      During the Soviet era, we drove on Soviet Zhiguli, Moskvich, Niva, Volga, &
      quot; LuAZakh "and nothing buzzed.
      1. 0
        22 March 2014 11: 34
        That is, in fact, the recipe - back to 20 years ago?
        Without competition, everything will again fall into the trash and scarcity. All the same, everything will be swept away from the shelves, why strain? Moreover, even Russia does not have the capabilities of the USSR. Well, there is still an alternative to sit tightly on Chinese imports, and then inadvertently bow to their legs like 10 years ago. What it will simply be a sin not to use.
        1. wanderer_032
          +2
          22 March 2014 11: 50
          If you are a fan of foreign clothes, electronic and other junk, as well as a foreign car, go then to the EU (just think well, who will need you there?) Or the USA. Or maybe somewhere else.
          Russia has all the resources to produce everything from food to engineering. We can also provide ourselves with everything we need.
          To do this, you just need to work. We have a free, not a planned economy.
          If you can open your own production and thereby contribute to the development of your country (unless of course you are going to live in it).
          1. 0
            22 March 2014 13: 18
            I am a lover of a normal life in which it is possible and necessary to organize production and at the same time live peacefully with neighbors. But I do not send you to S. Korea to live on my own. Therefore, first of all, if you want less import dependence, you need to think with your head, and not tear a tailor's shirt sewn on imported cars on your chest and call everyone back to turnips.
            And advice to everyone is easy to give, hard to do.
            1. +3
              22 March 2014 14: 17
              Quote: clidon
              you need to think with your head, and not tear a tailor’s shirt sewn on imported machines on your chest

              That's for sure, you need to think!
              The country needs to be covered a little, but not quite, in moderation, from different WTOs, etc.
              Launch large infrastructure and other industrial projects.
              To buy not all crap, but mainly machines and equipment, strengthen domestic demand, slowly switch to paying for oil and gas in rubles, tax benefits for high-tech industries, etc. The thing will go! Yes
              Even if there are no serious sanctions, all this must be done.
              And the necessary equipment (and technology) will be brought to the headstock through China and other roundabout ways. The bourgeoisie will go for any crime for profit.
              1. 0
                22 March 2014 15: 14
                Quote: wanderer_032
                Yes, there is a share of imported units in the auto industry, but we also have our own developments in terms of Yaroslavl diesel engines of new series:

                Quote: wanderer_032
                Diesel of the YaMZ-530 series.

                The YaMZ-530 diesel is a joint development with the Austrian engineering company AVL List GmbH.
                And YMZ-650 is generally licensed "Renault" dCi 11.
              2. 0
                22 March 2014 20: 40
                Alekseev "For profit, the bourgeoisie will commit any crime."
                Up to the sale of my mother !!!)))
          2. God of war
            0
            23 March 2014 01: 11
            Give Tajiks and Uzbeks to factories
            1. 0
              23 March 2014 14: 32
              Quote: God of war
              Give Tajiks and Uzbeks to factories

              There was such an enterprise
              Tashkent Aviation Association named after Chkalov (TAPOiCH). This is in Uzbekistan.
    3. Fanat1984
      0
      22 March 2014 23: 50
      Well ... pa is that they won’t buy them anyway ... sad
  33. +1
    22 March 2014 10: 58
    it is not necessary to proclaim technical modernization, because here they can go the easier way - that is, buy something that is not there, but import-substituting industrialization, because in machine tools, here, in fact, the whole industry needs to be raised again, as well as mechanical engineering, again electronics and it production
  34. +3
    22 March 2014 10: 59
    Back in the year 94, my graduation project was an asynchronous starter-generator, an amazing thing happened - for example, the starting current was 2 times less, but unfortunately there was no funding already and the topic died out, and the teacher told me that we were doing something , we believe, and our manufacturers will still buy such abroad when they do it there.
    1. +1
      22 March 2014 11: 01
      in aviation, the starter-generator has been used for a long time, but why is it asynchronous, if there is a start from the batteries, then the converter, as they say, the more complex the system, the more probabilities of failure
      1. +2
        22 March 2014 11: 20
        The absence of brushes, well, the starting current is half as much, something about 230A, a voltage inverter was used to start, the circuit is quite simple.
  35. +7
    22 March 2014 10: 59
    Dear ones, those who say that there is no problem as such ...
    Look out the window to count how many of the cars standing under the windows (well, or passing by) are of purely Russian origin (VAZ, GAZ, UAZ, IL)?
    Look at how many office equipment and home appliances of Russian manufacture you have at home (televisions, computers, audio and video centers, mobile phones, etc.).
    I think the comments are superfluous, as there is a problem and it is really very serious.
    Unfortunately, the author is right in that, since the collapse of the USSR, a little attention has been paid to the development of our own production (to put it mildly).
    Citizens who dug into oil and gas pipes were more likely to influence industrial policy, and it is ugly in our country with a bias on the export of resources to the detriment of those who produce it.
    Moreover, these same citizens can now primarily suffer from sanctions, since it was they who all this time withdrew assets from the country. That is, the West, on the basis of the pretext of the annexation of Crimea, will now rob, literally, these of our exporters, as well as other persons associated with them, and thereby improve its economic situation.
    Therefore, although I do not belong to fans of all kinds of Abramovich, Rotenberg and others, but sanctions against them as a measure of impact due to the annexation of Crimea are sanctions against Russia. Therefore, we must act accordingly.
    In addition, it seems to me that it is necessary to seize the initiative on the issue of sanctions, since following the lead from the west we will soon begin to lose it both psychologically and economically.
    Hard answers should make the West understand that sanctions are a two-edged sword. And the second can hit them very seriously.
    Well, with regard to industry, there can be no questions. It is necessary to develop it. Another question is that it can only be developed by the government in which the production workers play a decisive role, rather than the raw materials, as now, under the guise of Medvedev.
  36. Platov
    +5
    22 March 2014 11: 04
    The author is right until we start to produce equipment and sanction tools (of us) can greatly hurt. But in stores, 9 out of 10 products were manufactured in China, so sanctions will help China take the entire Russian market. Sanctions will close the Russian market forever for the West, and Russian energy will go east. That is, energy for the West will rise in price by 50 percent or more at first, and when industrial production crashes and agriculture, energy cheaper, but it will be too late. Our oligarchs, who are oriented to the west together with officials, will be at a loss. Sanctions will not hurt ordinary people, of course, they will have to tighten their belts a little but not as much as in the 90s.
    1. -1
      22 March 2014 11: 50
      Quote: PLATOV
      The author is right until we start to produce equipment and sanction tools (of us) can greatly hurt. But in stores, 9 out of 10 products were manufactured in China, so sanctions will help China take the entire Russian market. Sanctions will close the Russian market forever for the West, and Russian energy will go east. That is, energy for the West will rise in price by 50 percent or more at first, and when industrial production crashes and agriculture, energy cheaper, but it will be too late. Our oligarchs, who are oriented to the west together with officials, will be at a loss. Sanctions will not hurt ordinary people, of course, they will have to tighten their belts a little but not as much as in the 90s.

      Why are you sure that China will not join the sanctions? Chinese and American industry are closely related, the United States can put pressure on the PRC, so this is not a fact.
  37. +1
    22 March 2014 11: 09
    Read the story! At the beginning of the existence of the USSR State, all these sanctions were already imposed on our country.
    And how it ended ... With a giant leap - Industrialization of the country!
    I understand that we don’t have such a Leader as I.V. Stalin now ... the country is not in ruins either and it touched some of which remained from the USSR.
    So I'm for sanctions - they are a real chance to get off the import needle!
    1. 0
      22 March 2014 11: 38
      And the collapse of agriculture, the Gulag, the military-siege system of the country, etc. Well, there’s also a little nuance - during the industrialization there were practically no sanctions and the USSR easily bought equipment, technologies, and models of equipment abroad.
      Do you want to stand in lines again, ride "Muscovites" and watch combustible TVs "Ruby" to spite the Americans? I am afraid that the bulk of the population will not support you in this.
      1. +2
        22 March 2014 12: 32
        Alekh, I can only recommend you spend a few hours and read the history of our country. And I ask you to leave all this liberal nonsense rubbed into us from the late 80s.
        (CX collapse, GULAG, etc., etc.)
        As regards your remark about free purchases of equipment and technologies, one of the main points of those sanctions was precisely the ban on the supply of modern machine tools, technologies and machines, as well as many bans in the banking sector (the impossibility of purchasing anything). And at the initial stage, the USSR purchased everything necessary through intermediaries and front offices and banks (Baltic as an example). The country which for the time and time collaborated with the USSR on the issue of technology was Germany, because it itself was in the OPE after 1919. The rest of the imperialist countries also wanted to eat a fish (to get compensation for losing in the revolution, and (oh my God, new) to get access to raw materials of the USSR) and to sit on a sausage (at the same time not to compensate the USSR for the results of the intervention and weaken the USSR in technical economic, political, military - in other words, leave us in the 19th century).
        Regarding queues, etc. ... and no one says that there were no problems in the USSR.
        But there is no need to juggle, speaking of the total lines of the late 80s (after the liberal reforms of Judas Gorbachev and by the way) and the general situation in the USSR. In addition, as you probably can see, the state of affairs in modern Russia with consumer goods is much better, which cannot be said about industry and cx.

        Let me take my leave hi
        1. -1
          22 March 2014 13: 30
          I know very well the history of my country (and the education is appropriate) and I see that the bulk of the population is swinging the pendulum - then the Gulag and the exhaustion of cx were not official, then suddenly everyone began to believe that there was only the Gulag and the poor peasants, now the pendulum is swinging again and it seems like there was nothing again and everything was fine and only forward and come on.
          As for sanctions, you need to decide on the time of the beginning of Industrialization. Just in the 30s, under the influence of the recognition of the USSR by all states of the world, plus, of course, the world recession, they sold us almost everything and almost without restrictions. There were indeed bans on the purchase of gold (which were caused more by problems in the banking sector than by some sanctions), there were restrictions on the supply of military equipment, but in general there were no special problems with the purchase of equipment. We even managed to procure military models from the Nazis and Italians quite legally.
          Well, shortages and queues are by no means the lot of Gorbachev’s time ... The current abundance is more ensured by import. In all its forms.
    2. Marine One
      +1
      22 March 2014 12: 08
      And what is the relationship between sanctions and Stalin? Industrialization in the councils took place with the active participation of the United States and Europeans, who built factories here and imported technologies.
  38. +3
    22 March 2014 11: 21
    it’s necessary not to shed tears about Russia's import dependence - but to roll up our sleeves, get to work
  39. Demon0n
    +4
    22 March 2014 11: 24
    The problem is that it is impossible to create anything out of nothing. Our industries were not competitive due to a whole range of reasons (both objective and subjective, both external and internal). It is unthinkable to develop these industries in an open market (price, quality, manufacturability, etc. will not fall off the ceiling). So, while maintaining the status quo, counting on success in frankly failed areas is a futile task.
    What happens with the imposition of sanctions? Alternative sources and alternative supply routes will be urgently sought. The price will increase many times due to rising costs, which makes it possible to create / develop our own technologies. Let's not forget that the USSR used to produce almost the entire range of goods and services on its own (i.e., objectively, the country can be self-sufficient). The only problem that can and will arise (in my opinion) is the lack and imbalance of personnel (lack of human resources and the need for redistribution of employment). In some areas, automation / robotization (by the way, and in certain types of services) may become a reasonable way out of this deadlock, which will give a more substantial impetus (there is an objective need now) for the development of appropriate technologies. However, it is worth remembering that this process is not instantaneous and will take time due to objective reasons, as well as some subjective (social) ones.
    The devil is not so terrible as he is painted.
  40. +3
    22 March 2014 11: 27
    Sanctions, of course, will strike, but not destroy production: we have a market! All tied to foreign components of production will begin to look for alternatives and quickly find them inside and in the east ... Sanctions will only slow down manufacturers for a while: for the period of organizing new production of components.
    1. 0
      22 March 2014 11: 40
      If production lives on imported machines, raw materials and specialists, then it will rise. I’ll hint that almost all modern production facilities in Russia work in such conditions. Aviation flies on imported cars, even combine harvesters have long been either imported, or a license with foreign nodes, etc.
      1. +1
        22 March 2014 11: 56
        You just need to understand that we can do machines and planes ourselves. And we do. We decided to use their machines and aircraft components only so that products could be licensed and sold from them ... Zero problems, just a delay.
        1. 0
          22 March 2014 13: 32
          We can, but what is their nomenclature? Imported machines as the bulk, or their licensed clones, is now the norm.
          The fact that we are now easily replacing them with some unknown analogues is nothing more than a myth.
          1. +1
            22 March 2014 15: 47
            No, there is absolutely no need to change. Remember how in 90 they reflashed the "brains" of any automatic machines and players? In the same way: there is always an overly competent guy ready to reconfigure your hardware to any region, there, or positioning area. Now we refuel laser printer cartridges with chip replacement ... And it turns out much cheaper than buying a new one.
            1. 0
              22 March 2014 20: 33
              In order to reflash something, you must first buy what to reflash ...
  41. +4
    22 March 2014 11: 32
    Belarus wanted to sneeze on all sorts of sanctions there. Industry there is in full swing. You just need to learn from their experience in all sectors.
    And so most likely there will be nothing serious, the partners from r8 pound and lower everything on the brakes. They will suffer the most from sanctions.
  42. wanderer_032
    +3
    22 March 2014 11: 39
    I already see that all the backs of the head began to be scratched, so scratch them at the same time and what will happen if such sanctions are introduced. How will this turn out for the EU, where there are well-known problems with unemployment.
    Here we stop buying their cars for example, or imported components for our own production.
    Then, in the near future, European automakers and component manufacturers will have to lay off many of their workers and curtail many production, close part of their factories. These are colossal losses measured in billions (no matter what money).
    A new and stronger wave of unemployment will sweep Europe as a whole. And there live a lot of parasites from among the same Arabs, not ... Gers, Persians. And also a lot of people from Eastern Europe who work there as migrant workers (visiting workers on a rotational basis). Just like Uzbeks, Tajiks, Ukrainians, Moldovans and other citizens from Central Asia, Ukraine, and Moldova work for us.
    And now all this armada of people is on the street, many (I mean living on unemployment benefits) without legal means of livelihood at all.
    What will they do there? Clap your hands? I do not think so...
    They will begin to steal, engage in robbery, robbery. EU will simply drown in street crime.
    As a result, the tourism industry will be bent. Who will go to rest in a country where, because of small things in your pocket, you can be sewn on the street.
    What is the bottom line. In the EU, waves of protests will be thrown out by hard workers who will demand to eat (under this shop, they will also smash and destroy everything in its path, if not immediately then it will come to this). About the surge in street crime, I already said. EU industry will be seriously undermined. In short, chaos, and such force that the Ukrainian Maidan will seem like a child’s game.
    So the EU is digging its own grave with its economic sanctions. So let dig it further.
    1. +1
      22 March 2014 11: 54
      I agree, the EU will also suffer losses. But the main "aggressor" in NATO is not the EU, but the United States. European problems will hardly touch them. They have more economic ties with China.
    2. 0
      22 March 2014 13: 29
      they will fire a hard worker in Thailand or Malaysia
    3. 0
      24 March 2014 09: 56
      and ultimately to blame - RUSSIA laughing
  43. +4
    22 March 2014 11: 43
    Sanctions against Russia, so far only cosmetic, but they showed how much power in Russia has ruined the country's industry, its scientific and production base. If the Chinese can copy everything, we can do it and even improve the equipment. For this, it is necessary to nationalize all profitable sectors and deprive the oligarchs of stolen capital. To recreate the state plan and, based on scientific analysis, urgently begin the revival of the country. Down with the traitors. If they are not imprisoned, then to exclude the possibility of influence. Let them engage in small trade and if they want to agriculture. Chubais, Vekselberg, Prokhorov, Dod to prison and immediately. Skerdyuk on public works with confiscation of property. The government resigned, Medvedev appointed head of the Federal Penitentiary Service.
  44. Denis Ro
    +1
    22 March 2014 12: 00
    All this cooperation with Europe has always been for us. imposed .
    An elementary way to create addiction from them and then
    pump us rights threatening the collapse of our economy.
    Today's events are good kick for ours
    authorities who stubbornly climbed into Europe to the detriment of their
    economy and industry. I hope now they will do
    correct conclusions and instead of olympiads focus on
    industry.
  45. +1
    22 March 2014 12: 00
    An article about not getting carried away with hats, there will be tangible difficulties and a decrease in the standard of living. The author indicated a way out of this situation. Article "+" - there would be more such serious articles.
  46. +1
    22 March 2014 12: 04
    [quote = smith7] In some KAMAZ models, even built for the needs of the RF Armed Forces, the share of imported components is up to 35%. The most enormous abyss is in the radio-electronic industry and the production of electrical radio products. The Pantsir-S complex includes a French thermal imager. etc. etc. We need to send a delegation to China to gain experience and we will do everything ourselves. They also do high-quality things, only they are more expensive and they are not brought to Russia much Yes
  47. CreepyUknow
    +2
    22 March 2014 12: 11
    Yes, this is really what the soul hurts. I wonder why Putin, who takes such wise steps in foreign policy, does not have enough brains for a large number of factories that provide our economy with everything necessary. And for this, everything is there, except for the initiative from above. Maybe the liberal and pro-Western part of the government does not .... In any case, it’s very disappointing.
  48. Markusmooon
    +1
    22 March 2014 12: 23
    The bankers will devour Cheburashka with his sanctions, our banks will launch a gold crown, 13 billion dollars will remain in Russia, this is only a factor, then many moneybags are smarter than deducing the American economy from the example of Alisher Usmanov, I think he is not the first.
  49. +1
    22 March 2014 12: 25
    Sanctions will be an incentive to more localize production cycles within the Russian Federation and cooperation with China, etc.
  50. +2
    22 March 2014 12: 29
    Quote: Gennady1973
    At one time, the USSR was in such sanctions that Iran never dreamed of, plus two world wars! neither the "iron curtain" nor any boycotts, sanctions, bans, etc. did not prevent the country from being the first to be in space, to have a fleet and an army that the whole world was afraid of, so it will be more difficult, but not a catastrophe.

    Yes, but then we didn’t sit around: we were building power plants, factories, factories. Therefore, we wanted to spit on everyone: we could do everything ourselves, without outside help - from a condom to a spaceship. And name me at least one heavy engineering enterprise built by us for For the past 30 years, we only pump oil and gas, and sell our resources. We are on the verge of a big war, God forbid a cold one, in fact the war is already underway. And we can win this war only if we completely eliminate our dependence on Western technologies. difficult, but possible, and it should be done already yesterday. Option, as in the joke: "Commissar, cartridges are out!"; - "But you're a Komsomol member!" and the machine gun scribbled again - it doesn't roll.
  51. stranik72
    +1
    22 March 2014 12: 39
    In fact, if we talk about sanctions in the future (their tightening), then it will not seem enough to us, our machine tool production is at the level of the 70s of the last century, the payment system in the country is completely dependent, and much, much, more, so We’ll take a full sip, but we’re not used to “sniffing poop.” It would be easier (morally) if they started investing money in the country now, and especially if our nouveau riche also started doing this. So that “the hour of courage has struck on our clock, may courage not leave us.” We wanted to see Russia free and proud, and now it is being reborn, in pain, as it should be by nature.
  52. +2
    22 March 2014 12: 41
    Now let's think about it. After all, before our ZILs and KAMAZs, KRAZs and GAZs used domestic components, the aircraft were also entirely domestic and of high quality. What does this mean? About the fact that people have replaced the concepts of wealth and luxury, reliability and comfort. All this says is that the sooner imported parts stop coming to Russia, the faster we will revive our own industry.
  53. +2
    22 March 2014 13: 18
    In short, we need to stupidly buy machine tool factories. It’s stupid to give out housing to those who come to work at enterprises. Simple, stupid... Otherwise, tomorrow, if there is an opportunity to buy and distribute, there will be no one to do it. It is necessary for it to be profitable to go to work at the factory. We need to give priority to the implementation of our developments. And then Crimea is of course super, it has increased its status on the world stage. But within the country we don’t have much.
  54. -1
    22 March 2014 13: 39
    Hmm... Machine tool factories, that means... Almost everyone here thinks too narrowly. The argument “The USSR did everything itself” is not relevant in our time. For one simple reason: the consumer society was not developed in the USSR. Let us be able to build our own machines and supply them to our enterprises and make the same thermal imagers on them instead of the French ones. But who will make large-format plasma TVs, components for personal computers, air conditioners, smartphones and a thousand thousand other things without which it is impossible to imagine our modern society? Of course, China can do all this, but in this way we will find ourselves almost completely dependent on it. Which the West certainly doesn’t need. So most likely the sanctions will be limited to a list of officials.
  55. +2
    22 March 2014 13: 53
    The article is neither positive nor negative
    The KamAZ plant uses in its vehicles:

    • Cummins and Daimler motors;
    • Bosch fuel equipment;
    • Sachs clutch;
    • KP ZF or Allison;
    • Tirsan kardan cardan shafts;
    • Dana, Daimler or Madara bridges;
    • Wabco or Knorr-Bremse brake system;
    • Voith suspension;
    • Daimler cabs;
    • Trelleborg tires;
    • exhaust system, seats, appliances and other small components ...

    Question for the author, what will manufacturers of at least this equipment do if they lose the Russian market? Not only does it come from China through OEM, but it is owned by Europeans.
    And I can answer what needs to be done. It’s easy to say to build factories at home. But it is much easier to turn your attention to the products of the BRICS countries with similar components. Judging by previous work: we purchased some parts in Brazil, others in South Africa (for other products). So - not a little worse. Moreover, we sold our products in Europe and the Americas with these components.
    And there is a completely killer option: everyone knows that in China, for example, some kind of Electrolux is produced under license, and nearby at the same plant the same device is produced, from the same components, but is called something like “Sunhunchai”. In fact, it’s plagiarism, but that doesn’t stop the Chinese. You can purchase components under this brand. And the issue of providing goods to the domestic market will be closed.
  56. mihasik
    +2
    22 March 2014 14: 41
    The author somehow “forgot” about another problem in our economy. THESE ARE PROFESSIONAL STAFF. Where can we get those same high-quality turners now!? The workforce we have now is inexorably shrinking and the average age is 50-60 years, compared to the 90s. Then the situation with professional personnel was the opposite! We “produce” millions of managers, lawyers, artists of all stripes, etc. That is, those who are not even close to manual labor!!! Because it is NOT FASHIONABLE, NOT PROSPECTIVE and NOT CREATIVE!!! This is, in my opinion, the most important problem when introducing sanctions. Subversive liberalism in action - dullness, illiteracy of the population, lack of personnel.
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  58. 0
    22 March 2014 15: 00
    Yes, the conclusion is simple - strategic branches of production are needed - money should not be stored abroad but invested in native production. It is impossible to release everything at once, but it is urgently necessary to create your own analogues and restore industrial production.
  59. +2
    22 March 2014 15: 04
    The topic is serious.
    I hope Russia was preparing for something like this.
    As the practice of withdrawing the capital of officials and deputies from the West shows, it was worked out long before the hour “X” and this was the signal when Putin said in plain text:
    "Ready or not, here I come!"
  60. +3
    22 March 2014 15: 25
    Most of the high-tech equipment at Russian enterprises is imported machines. For everyone our high-tech machines for fur. processing (turning, milling, grinding, etc.) imported electronics, mechanical parts and assemblies (ball screws, driven tools) are used. Moreover, the software is EVERYTHING imported. So there is no need to be in a mischievous mood. In the event of war, no one will supply us with these and similar components. It takes time to create domestic analogues, and this is not a quick process. Even with sufficient funding. So this article gets a plus for its sober assessment of our modern technological capabilities.
  61. +1
    22 March 2014 16: 38
    The article is a plus. Without its own machine tool industry, Russia will always be vulnerable to adversaries. At one of the “Machine Tool Building” exhibitions in the 80s, the slogan “the achieved level of metal processing is a national treasure” hung. OVER the past years, the level of national heritage has been largely lost. In Soviet times, the bourgeoisie willingly purchased Ivanovo-made processing centers. Only the CNC systems and drives at the Ivanovo OCs were imported. Even then we were behind. It’s time to revive the Group A industry. Not immediately, gradually, but there is simply no other way out. A lot is written about equipment, technologies, etc. Much less about people. In the USSR, there were two directions for training workers: through vocational schools and through factory apprenticeships (I can’t say for sure which is more effective). Mechanic, turner, milling machine, etc. a specialist cannot arise on its own. Someone must teach him, pass on experience and work techniques. No textbook will provide this, only a living person. Workers trained in the USSR are at pre-retirement age. There are only a few years left and they will be gone. The connection between generations will be broken. Action needs to be taken urgently. From the speeches of the state leadership, we can conclude that the problem of training workers is recognized at the very top. It's just a matter of transforming concern into taking urgent measures to eliminate the problem.
  62. +2
    22 March 2014 16: 57
    I give the article a plus. The author reflected the real position of the Russian Federation regarding the availability of certain means of production.
    High-tech means of production that a country can reproduce without outside help is an indicator of the degree of independence.
    The author is not an alarmist.
    He indicates what steps urgently need to be taken to increase this independence coefficient
    I am also for sanctions against us. recourse
    And I would be happy to hear that we were expelled from the WTO fellow
    I completely agree with the author that something needs to be changed in the “conservatory” hi
  63. +1
    22 March 2014 17: 20
    The Pindos can bring down the price of oil; if we don’t have money, then no machines will help us. Therefore, the only real danger is our dependence on the sale of oil and gas, which is 50% of our budget.
    You need to think about this so as not to step on the same rake again.
  64. 0
    22 March 2014 18: 09
    Quote: MainBeam
    And you did not think, maybe the whole mess with Ukraine was started by the United States in order for the Russian Federation to block the gas pipe to Europe? And sanctions - an elementary non-military provocation?


    I’ve been writing this for a long time..... Europe is under attack and Russia, Ukraine, without Crimea with its offshore gas and oil, America doesn’t actually need it.
  65. 0
    22 March 2014 18: 11
    Quote: WIN969
    The Pindos can bring down the price of oil; if we don’t have money, then no machines will help us. Therefore, the only real danger is our dependence on the sale of oil and gas, which is 50% of our budget.
    You need to think about this so as not to step on the same rake again.


    We already tried it last month, throwing 5 from government reserves onto the market. As a result, they became more concerned about their Arab “partners”, who asked them urgently not to do this again... They asked nicely.
  66. 0
    22 March 2014 19: 06
    Machine tool industry, of course, is a high-tech industry. Different directions, moreover. However, machine tool manufacturing alone will not take Russia up the mountain. Here we should rather talk about the complex: mechanical engineering (profile, heavy, machine tools, etc.) + a whole range of production areas with high added value + intellectual component. CNC machines without that same PU are nothing. We almost managed to overwhelm such giants of mechanical engineering as the same "Electrosila", now we seem to be managing to raise it (if anyone is in the know, please share; at work I intersect with people from the Authorized Organization - authorized organizations, and from both, they tell a lot of interesting things). We take the timber to Finka and buy chipboard back. So sanctions are an incentive for us to start doing everything ourselves. After all, we can. And whoever interferes should be placed against the wall. The toys are out. Only the lazy don't talk about war. Whether it starts cold or hot, I don't know, but our lives are at stake.
  67. 0
    22 March 2014 20: 40
    It’s high time to start putting things in order in our own country, and not sit on the leash of the fucking West.
  68. Stepan Vict
    0
    22 March 2014 20: 58
    Everything is correct. Production occurs only if there is a consumer. There is no consumer now. Everything is very simple. At one time, a lot of intermediaries arose, with whom all large enterprises worked. Why? Kickbacks from 5 to 10% of the order value. The easiest thing is to buy abroad: Europe, China, USA. But not Russia. How can you explain the price if it was made in Russia. As a result, almost all high-tech products migrated from Russia and settled overseas.
    No orders - no development, that's clear. All machines for industrial modernization, all new mills for metallurgists, all production lines - everything is ordered abroad. We get such small things that do not require scientific and technological knowledge. As a result, the industry has degraded to the point of indecency. In our planes, 90% of all high technology is not ours. What we have created does not work, or it works, but constantly breaks down. Our machines and machines do not provide the necessary accuracy and productivity; everything is antediluvian and ugly. There is practically no machine tool manufacturing; all new modern equipment is transferred to the manufacturing plants of the final products. This is a mistake, because factories producing capital goods should have the most modern equipment. Another 5-10 years will come and that’s it, there will be no workers, but the worst thing is there will be no teachers, there will be no one to teach. Even the current “scientific personnel” are mainly GPT students from the times of the USSR.
    1. 0
      22 March 2014 23: 37
      Quote: Stepan Vikt
      Even the current “scientific personnel” are mainly GPT students from the times of the USSR.

      Isn't that right? You don't have to put all your eggs in one basket. Scientific personnel IN PRINCIPLE cannot come from GPTU. By the way, why exactly GPTU students and not vocational technical schools? Dear sir, do you even know the difference? I know. If you mean PRODUCTION personnel, and not scientific ones, then express your thoughts that way. What's wrong with a production foreman, even with a State Technical University education? Quite the opposite. It was not the education of a person that put him in his place, but the man who put himself in his place. And market chains, such as product - demand - money are lowered until approval
      Quote: Stepan Vikt
      There is no consumer now

      not serious. Yes, you will be surprised, but retirees do not buy Boeings. Collapse. There is no consumer(.
      Quote: Stepan Vikt
      No orders - no development, that's clear

      logical, no doubt. But do you monitor the order system? Or at least government orders?
      Quote: Stepan Vikt
      We get such small things that do not require scientific and technological knowledge.

      It's not all bad. We fly into space, build nuclear power plant reactors, restore heavy machinery. This is certainly not the iPhone that rules the world, but at least it’s something
  69. Morgan761
    0
    22 March 2014 22: 09
    Quote: GreatRussia
    Quote: Horde
    in the event of war, it is not ruled out the possibility of operation of the BID in programs and microcircuits ...

    In the event of a war? 3rd World War? I assure you that these machines with CNC and electronics after its beginning and its rapid completion, if they remain "alive", are unlikely to be needed by anyone.


    I assure you that in the event of the outbreak of war, these machines will release their series of “Topols” to the places indicated by the coordinates....
  70. 0
    22 March 2014 22: 33
    Those who are too lazy to raise their butts and create something with their own hands are afraid of sanctions, I, as a production worker, am waiting for these sanctions like manna from heaven, that’s how many competitors we will immediately fall off, if only our merch doesn’t let us down and quietly starts offering our products instead foreign.bully
  71. 0
    23 March 2014 00: 44
    Really. Lately we have only been burying and selling to foreigners what our fathers and grandfathers built with sweat and blood. Take the same beloved AvtoVAZ: they sold it, gutted it, and they want to organize a simple screwdriver assembly with the remains. Although on the territory of this plant there are: metallurgical production, production of presses and dies, production of technological equipment, tool production, production of plastic products. Some of this list have already separated and are dragging out their miserable existence, because they previously existed at the expense of the auto giant, and now it is not profitable for our foreign partners to use their services, but it is more profitable to use their own production facilities. The problem is with the same consumable tools (mills, plates), but at least the Belarusian brothers can help us with this.
    I think so if sanctions are introduced, then on the contrary we will restore all lost production. It will be difficult, but then there will be no time to sit on the bench and drink beer from Carlsberg and Heineken ;)
  72. 0
    23 March 2014 01: 56
    I suspect that this is the situation in all the former USSR. During a big war, there is hope for a blitzkrieg, and in a cold one, some failure is possible. Your GDP reportedly thinks at least something, but our rulers, alas, are only making money. Maybe that’s why such a tragedy happened in Ukraine PPP A???
  73. 0
    23 March 2014 14: 22
    After 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. They also threatened a lot. And the people thought that those at the top would draw conclusions and pay attention to the real sector. They made a fuss, shook their fingers and that’s it. It is always more difficult to support production than trade and services: we collected VAT, and let the local authorities collect the rest. It is easier to import raw materials than processed products.
    Sitting under constant sanctions of the USSR, he was a pain in the ass of the whole world. The country, forced to produce everything for itself at home, entered the markets with cars, machine tools, airplanes, and consumer goods. DO THEY need it? Revival of a competitor with its own raw materials! Economic sanctions will again give impetus to the revival of production in Russia, and this means import substitution within and competition outside its borders.
    PS Sanctions would give our “outback” a chance. For inside the Garden Ring there are no rings for life outside of it.
  74. 0
    23 March 2014 17: 12
    Minus for the article for the author. Only because he doesn’t know that the use of imported spare parts in KamAZ is minimal and is a kind of additional option.
  75. 0
    23 March 2014 17: 42
    In principle, the article is correct, but economic sanctions against us will lead to an inevitable revision of the internal policies of the government, representatives of the business “elites,” and the development of domestic production.
    This won’t happen right away, but we’re not used to it.
    The main directions in the development of our own national products:
    1. Creation of your own (domestic) national currency backed by (gold, precious metals and other resources).
    2. Creation of a national a bank controlled by the Russian government with internal independent (from the IMF, etc.) banking rules.
    3.Creation of our own data centers in Russia.
    4. Ban on the export of high-tech products, excluding finished products.
    5.All external payments only through National. bank.
    6. All production facilities, regardless of jurisdiction, located on Russian territory pay taxes to the Russian treasury.
    7. Etc.
    Offer your options.
  76. 0
    23 March 2014 18: 09
    Our people can do anything if they want. Look, many samples, for example, of our military equipment, still have no analogues among NATO members.
  77. Petrovich T
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    23 March 2014 18: 53
    As long as Europe buys gas, everything will be as before. The United States, of course, wants Europe to stop doing this, because... then the USA will let Europe down and they will annoy us like adults...
  78. TROFka
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    23 March 2014 20: 22
    Dear forum users, as a chemist, I would like to add my 5 cents regarding possible sanctions. Unfortunately, at the moment our country does not have a normal production of catalysts, which are almost entirely imported from abroad. And this includes the production of various chemical raw materials and diesel. fuel, gasoline We do not have the production of special vessels for obtaining certain complex medical drugs... We do not have our own production cycle management systems or analytical equipment. A ban on the sale of all this in our country could threaten real collapse!!!
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  80. 0
    24 March 2014 09: 51
    nothing will help. our capitalists are not interested in the development and implementation of domestic know-how. It's easier to buy in China. What stopped us from developing and putting into production a new engine for the car? and there are a lot of developments, but promotion is an investment. Why the hell should you invest if you already have it but in the west. We'll buy and install.
  81. ShtyrliTTS
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    24 March 2014 10: 24
    Quote: Ataman
    The author drives nonsense! It is enough to look at the difference between imports and exports in Russia to understand who needs someone. Machine tools can also be bought through third countries. But let Merkel try to buy Russian gas through the Chinese. In cylinders will carry on his own hump! And do not give uranium to nuclear power plants anymore, let them drown with coal!

    Apart from boards, metal and other raw materials, I have never brought anything to Europe yet
  82. fall
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    25 March 2014 15: 28
    New Belovezhskaya Pushcha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2.0!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! New tank shooting from the T-90 like October 3-4, 1993!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  83. Kostichous
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    April 10 2014 18: 52
    All good!
    Tell me who has the cash program installed? What pros and cons have been identified during use?