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What are we threatened by Western sanctions?

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In the light of recent events, Western politicians are increasingly calling for economic pressure on the Russian Federation. This material proposes to consider what methods of influence are in the arsenal of our partners in the fight against terrorism, when and how they were used, what could harm the domestic industry and economy, and also try to figure out what specific actions you can take to level the consequences of this kind external influences.


Islamic Republic of Iran

Perhaps the most "experienced" victim of Western sanctions is Iran. In the 1979 year, after the overthrow of the Shah and the establishment of the Islamic Republic, the United States, and then the EU, consistently imposed various sanctions on Tehran. Such as:

• boycott of Iranian oil products;
• freezing of assets on bank accounts (about $ 100 billion);
• an embargo and a ban on the activities of American counterparties in Iran, a ban on any economic exchange with the United States;
• a ban on international (by the way independent) organizations for issuing loans and any assistance to Iran;
• a ban on investing in the Iranian economy for non-residents of the United States (providing for countermeasures for those who conduct economic activity in the United States).

Thus, the Iranian economy suffered significant losses. In particular, the export of modern processing machines, automatic lines and other production equipment to the territory of Iran is prohibited. These actions are primarily aimed at Iran Khodro, the region’s largest and thirteenth (once) carmaker in the world. Such a ban has led to the fact that the company simply can not update its production base, and the results of this problem are quite tangible: a reduction in the production program from 1500 thousand cars in 2011 to 800 thousand in 2013. It is also worth noting that this area of ​​industry is dependent, a significant part of automotive components is imported, local suppliers are not available, or they are not competitive in terms of cost, quality and volume of production. Naturally, forced import substitution leads to a deterioration in product quality and a decrease in its export potential.

It is obvious that in this way Western (European) manufacturers squeeze a strong competitor out of the markets, and the initiators of their sanctions are agents of their will.


Boeing of the Iranian national carrier, released in 1976 year


The second significant example is the civil aviation Iran. Since the 70s of the last century, the United States, and after them the EU, has consistently banned its manufacturers (in the civilian ships market, there is a duopoly, the market is divided between Boeing and Airbus, that is, between the United States and Europe) to export aircraft to the territory of the Islamic Republic. And in the future, export of spare parts and components was also banned. Ultimately, morally and physically obsolete aircraft are operated in Iran, some produced even before the Islamic Revolution, for example, in 1976. And the most modern aircraft operating in Iran is the Airbus A-320 2003 model year. At the same time, components imported by roundabouts or locally manufactured parts, naturally not having the appropriate certificates, are used to repair aircraft.

Of course, Iran made an attempt to diversify and import substitution. So, in 2011, licensed production was deployed at HESA with a minimum degree of localization of the An-140 aircraft. At present, 8 airplanes are in operation; further development of the program is in question; new aircraft from the 2010 have not taken off.


Launch of Iranian An-140 engine



North Korean Tu-204-100 as the only alternative for a "closed" country


Since the mid-2000s. Russia is trying to sell Tu-204 aircraft of various modifications to Iran, but in vain. Several years ago, a large order was even announced for Iran for several dozen Tu-204SM aircraft. However, later it was reported that components with American intellectual property were used as part of the PS-90A2 engine, and the shareholder and owner of 25% of the Perm Motors holding company Pratt & Whitney (USA) blocked any work on the project due to sanctions against Iran. ... As a result, the contract was in limbo, but quite recently, starting in January of this year, restrictions on the supply of components and used aircraft were temporarily and partially lifted, which practically blocks oxygen from any attempts by Russia to sell a domestic aircraft to Iran. As you can see from this example, sanctions work, while they work when necessary and against whom it is necessary, there is no doubt about it.

What can cause sanctions

Recently, Russia has managed to significantly modernize its economy. For example, production of modern electric trains, Augusta Westland helicopters, cars of various brands, types and sizes was localized. Now we are flying mostly on modern airplanes, trains are becoming more comfortable, in Russia they produce modern TVs, refrigerators and vacuum cleaners. Some manufacturers of high-tech equipment even managed to build their factories, however, mainly assembly plants. Russia as a whole is well integrated into the international economic system, but ...

When the author received an education, he was informed that the basis of the country's wealth is the quality and reproduction of goods of group A (first of all, machines and equipment) produced in the country. As demonstrated above, to limit the flow of such goods to a particular country that is not able to reproduce them on its territory is a matter that lies in a purely technical plane. The production of machine tools and equipment in Russia over the past decade and a half has not simply not developed, but has been almost completely destroyed, the same problem exists with regard to tool production. For an example, let's take a look at modern high-tech production in Russia, for example, at their plant. Gagarin, collecting including Superjet 100 aircraft, which have quite good export potential, are in demand and are often perceived as a symbol of the rebirth of the Russian aircraft industry. Production of the main components of the aircraft fuselage takes place on the modern equipment Haeusler, Loire, Bystar, Water Jet, BYSTRONIC LASER AG, Forest-Line, Maza, DMF, Makino, Fooke-Endura, DMU, ​​GMX, Scholz. Of course, the special punching hydraulic press YAO 6017 is also used. Tools and spare parts for the above machine park are also imported, except for the domestic press, of course. It is easy to guess where the first blow will be sent in case of sanctions.

Also it should be understood that the same Superjet uses in its composition equipment produced abroad. The hot part of the engine and on-board equipment complex are manufactured in France, the plane incorporates American, German, British and even Korean components.

If you look at the automotive industry, it has practically lost its independence over the past decade, although the availability of high-quality cars has increased significantly. The last large domestic automakers, which have maintained relative independence, are KAMAZ and GAZ. But at the same time, for example, the KamAZ plant uses as part of its cars:

• Cummins and Daimler motors;
• Bosch fuel equipment;
• Sachs clutch;
• KP ZF or Allison;
• Tirsan kardan cardan shafts;
• Dana, Daimler or Madara bridges;
• Wabco or Knorr-Bremse brake system;
• Voith suspension;
• Daimler cabs;
• Trelleborg tires;
• exhaust system, seats, appliances and other small components ...

What are we threatened by Western sanctions?

The hole for the three-beam star on the new KamAZ cockpit as a mirror of the problems of the domestic automotive industry


At the same time, only the frame, the outdated engine and the cabin, and then only in some modifications, will remain virtually domestic as part of the modern KamAZ vehicle.

Thus, the sanctions with the prohibition of the supply of this equipment will instantly stop the assembly line of the enterprise, forcing it to return to the production of obsolete products.

The saddest thing about this stories the fact that in Russia there are developers of domestic components who want to create high-quality products and have the appropriate competence. However, the activity of companies-innovators, those economic entities, on whose success the quality of domestic components depends, is confronted with incomprehension and resistance from industry.

An example would be Transas, a manufacturer of modern flight-navigation systems, whose equipment is not included in the newest Russian aircraft. Or one more example: the SuperVariator company has been developing a promising electromechanical continuously variable transmission for four years, capable of competing on equal terms with the latest developments of foreign competitors that are not yet available on the Russian market. During this time, a serious start was made in this direction. A team of capable engineers and developers was assembled on the splinters of a practically destroyed automobile industry, a rapidly degrading scientific school through unimaginable efforts, investors (including the state bank VTB) were found who invested tangible funds in this development. As a result of the work, a mock-up was created, tests were carried out, and even a preliminary design (which caused delight among plant technicians) of a commercial product for one of the Russian manufacturers was protected. And all this so that domestic enterprises do not introduce into their products foreign, outdated gearboxes that have long since descended from conveyors in Europe.

conclusions

Sanctions, if applied, can hurt the most high-tech, and therefore, ensure maximum margins and a large number of jobs for industries, such as the aviation or automotive industry, space, radio electronics, etc.

To level the possible consequences, it is necessary to restore the machine-tool industry as soon as possible, organize tool production, and also organize a well-diversified, competitive production of components in Russia.

This can be achieved by investing in the real sector of the economy, in innovative and advanced developments, science, expansion and deployment of new production, its modernization.

It is also worth reviewing the state policy regarding the taxation of industrial, engineering and high-tech enterprises, to create a system of incentives and incentives for invention and innovation. Stimulate export. Provide incentives and incentives for enterprises introducing domestic components, purchasing domestic equipment. To provide for barrage measures for extensive development, including the use of cheap low-skilled foreign slave. forces, thereby stimulating modernization.

Otherwise, Russia runs the risk of rapidly slipping to the technological level of the Papuans, losing priorities, competencies and markets, cutting jobs, especially in socially disadvantaged regions and single-industry towns.
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  1. W1950
    W1950 22 March 2014 08: 00
    +24
    Worse than 90 will not.
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 22 March 2014 08: 46
      +27
      What will be our response to the sanctions? what
      1. andrey777
        andrey777 22 March 2014 09: 06
        +8
        Quote: Sid.74
        What will be our response to the sanctions? what

        it was necessary to place it in the toilet
        1. radio operator
          radio operator 22 March 2014 09: 35
          +31
          To level the possible consequences, it is necessary to restore the machine-tool industry as soon as possible, organize tool production, and also organize a well-diversified, competitive production of components in Russia.

          This can be achieved by investing in the real sector of the economy, in innovative and advanced developments, science, expansion and deployment of new production, its modernization.


          Faster they would have imposed their sanctions. There will be more reasons to improve the quality of domestic goods and increase their range.

          1. StolzSS
            StolzSS 22 March 2014 11: 59
            +7
            And we already eat potatoes at work and drink vodka, and we never dabbled in burgers, very fast burping))) wassat
            1. oldstaryi
              oldstaryi 22 March 2014 12: 34
              +2
              And we drank and will drink "awl"!
              1. Ataman
                Ataman 22 March 2014 18: 28
                +2
                The author drives nonsense! It is enough to look at the difference between imports and exports in Russia to understand who needs someone. Machine tools can also be bought through third countries. But let Merkel try to buy Russian gas through the Chinese. In cylinders will carry on his own hump! And do not give uranium to nuclear power plants anymore, let them drown with coal!
                1. Polovec
                  Polovec 22 March 2014 18: 58
                  +14
                  How simple it is for you! We went through this after the Civil War! VERY hard process! And this despite the fact that there was no corrupt oligarchy in power! In addition to everything else, we also need personnel! Where are SPTU, GPTU, technical schools?
                  Some lawyers, economists and managers are stamped!
                  We need Semashko, Dzerzhinsky, Lunacharsky.
                  I hardly believe the deputies who sent their children to London or Miami.
                  1. dustycat
                    dustycat 23 March 2014 19: 54
                    +4
                    Machinists are still there and enterprises capable of producing machines are still missing.
                    Although they do now every little thing.
                    Incidentally, the southeastern industrial potential of these embargoes, which is not dependent on the embargoes, will be just in the subject - it is best preserved and the necessary specialists and vocational schools are still in sufficient quantity there.

                    By the way, machine operators, welders and locksmiths are well trained in vocational schools in Central Asia - there are not only shtulers-mullers and concrete workers-poltniks.
                    Here the other day, they sent from Tajikistan a catalog of specialists from a local vocational school - in addition to plumbers and welders, there are also CNC machine operators. And postscript - we will prepare specialists for any profile your company needs with a good knowledge of the Russian language. There is no doubt about a good knowledge of the Russian language - the welder has arranged for us all the textbooks and reference books brought by him - reprints of textbooks in Russian in 1978.

                    By the way, the instrumental production has survived - all sorts of STIs, calmness and others make "imported" instruments for export to Russia.

                    So it will already be easier than in 1920.
                  2. Governor
                    Governor 23 March 2014 23: 43
                    0
                    Well, since it’s impatient, we will quickly drive them; just a good reason to draw)
                    We’ll collect the train straight to London and everyone - let them re-qualify from the oligarchs to the miners on the spot.
                    Without them, we’ll quickly manage, maybe we will restore the USSR ... So there are some pluses.
                    And for the independence of the country in the future you can suffer from the undead.
                    Yes, you don’t have to suffer, the times are not the same now - everything is under the nose: and machines and technologies, just do it. There are no borders, there is Internet - no problems!
                2. saber1357
                  saber1357 22 March 2014 22: 43
                  +1
                  Of course, what kind of garbage - I discussed everything, I forgot about gas! Elephant, did not notice, in general.

                  And the author must also be minus for poisonous phrases like "Otherwise, Russia risks rapidly sliding down to the technological level of the Papuans, while losing priorities, competencies and markets," and so on. Well, if you, the author, an analyst, and not a vile whiner, why should you end up with such nonsense, on average, a not entirely bad article. Is he trying to frighten?
                3. Aptimist
                  Aptimist 22 March 2014 23: 15
                  -4
                  If they drown with coal, then we will have nothing to buy machines through third countries for!
                  1. dustycat
                    dustycat 23 March 2014 20: 01
                    0
                    Quote: Aptimist
                    If they drown with coal, then we will have nothing to buy machines through third countries for!

                    Let them drown them even with pellets.
                    China has already said that how they bought gas and oil in Russia, including they will be - they will not have enough Iranian ones.
                    So if something is done by China through Afghanistan or the DPRK, it will supply what Russia will need.
                    Well, India will also buy gas - for one and a half billion gas, they have not enough of their gas produced even just for cooking.

                    We will interrupt.
            2. Baloo
              Baloo 22 March 2014 20: 03
              +7
              Hamburgers and in general McDonald's products are dangerous to health - any nutritionist or sanitary doctor will confirm. Who knows how to determine the brand of alcohol from which vodka is made from new excise stamps?
              A good snack-soaked pear-wild-bird (mullet), but herring is our eternal ...
            3. dustycat
              dustycat 23 March 2014 19: 35
              +1
              Quote: StolzSS
              never dabbled in hamburgers very fast burping killer)))

              Oh how ...
              Did not know...
              I have not tried them yet ...
        2. Polovec
          Polovec 22 March 2014 15: 23
          +36
          Amazingly reasonable article! Many thanks to the author!
          However, to everything else, I would add the urgent need to exit the WTO, raising industrial espionage to the rank of state policy, shamelessly copying existing analogues!
          We have the right to it! Our economy was collapsing under the supervision of IMF consultants and other Western trash who paid the drunk and his family!
          It is necessary to prove to these creatures that either they will give or we will select!
          The industrialization of the country and the restoration of mechanical engineering (not a screwdriver) is the future!
          And Rogozin in this direction. He will not be too delicate ...
          1. allexx83
            allexx83 23 March 2014 00: 43
            +2
            China is spying, and nothing ...
        3. raf
          raf 22 March 2014 15: 40
          +4
          Quote: andrey777
          it was necessary to place it in the toilet
          In a public toilet, some sort of numbed railway station!
        4. bif
          bif 22 March 2014 22: 54
          +5
          Quote: andrey777

          it was necessary to place it in the toilet
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 22 March 2014 23: 05
            +2
            Where I bought it, it looks very nice.
        5. tolyasik0577
          tolyasik0577 24 March 2014 09: 45
          0
          too much honor.
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      3. RUS96
        RUS96 22 March 2014 11: 42
        +4
        LTD!!! Good doormat! We must look for the same laughing
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 23 March 2014 20: 03
          0
          In our market, the Chinese have been selling these for half a year already ..
      4. lelikas
        lelikas 22 March 2014 14: 24
        +11
        Quote: Sid.74
        What will be our response to the sanctions?


        I will get acquainted with a US citizen permanently residing in the Russian Federation for the imposition of sanctions (20 cm)! laughing laughing
      5. Baloo
        Baloo 22 March 2014 20: 00
        +1
        Where did you buy it? Bed at the cottage to wipe his feet
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    3. Horde
      Horde 22 March 2014 10: 38
      +11
      the entire liberoid press has been screaming for decades about how good it is to be in the international community because the INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION in creating something is very good, civilized and progressive. But now the TIME has come to check the CORRECTNESS of SUCH ideas and what do we see? Russia sits on an OIL NEEDLE and lives a stream of green TALLERS, everywhere everything is not in Russian from chips, God forgive me, to cars and aircraft. Do we produce military aircraft? and on what equipment? tanks are the same story. But there is such a propaganda site doneunas so they just rub off rejoice, to each new machine from behind a hill. Well, in the case of SANCTIONS, THESE machine tools in the event of breakdowns will lead to Russia being unable to produce combat aircraft and other equipment. But the hard-fought Putin was constantly talking about this.
      1. komendor
        komendor 22 March 2014 11: 54
        +4
        Our factories still have German machine tools from the 30-40s of the last century. In case of breakdowns, they have never asked for help abroad. And also because of the hillock, machines have not been brought in for a long time, only those that are specialized and are not produced in our country. Well, for example as 'Poplar'
        produces only RUSSIA.
        1. Horde
          Horde 22 March 2014 12: 36
          +11
          Quote: komendor
          Our factories still have German machine tools from the 30-40s of the last century. In case of breakdowns, they have never asked for help abroad. And also because of the hillock, machines have not been brought in for a long time, only those that are specialized and are not produced in our country. Well, for example as 'Poplar'
          produces only RUSSIA.


          do not compare the gears of machine tools in the 30s and the complex electronic control, as well as the SOFTWARE of modern machines, in addition, in the event of war, the possibility of the operation of LOCKS in programs and microcircuits is not excluded ...
          1. GreatRussia
            GreatRussia 22 March 2014 13: 19
            +2
            Quote: Horde
            in the event of war, it is not ruled out the possibility of operation of the BID in programs and microcircuits ...

            In the event of a war? 3rd World War? I assure you that these machines with CNC and electronics after its beginning and its rapid completion, if they remain "alive", are unlikely to be needed by anyone.

            1. Horde
              Horde 22 March 2014 13: 25
              -9
              Quote: GreatRussia
              In the event of a war? 3rd World War? I assure you that these machines with CNC and electronics after its beginning and its rapid completion, if they remain "alive", are unlikely to be needed by anyone.


              another Cold War, several years and sophisticated Western equipment will fall, and with it the entire military might of Putin's Russia ...
              1. saber1357
                saber1357 22 March 2014 22: 46
                +1
                And the horde, with an Amerian liberal soul, was dispersed here with its pindorastic views on OUR HISTORY
              2. Containers
                Containers 23 March 2014 22: 39
                0
                Another one? But is that first one already over?
          2. Aptimist
            Aptimist 22 March 2014 23: 23
            +6
            Why are you so worried about the machines ??? Do Europeans do something ??? Well, yes, the idea and the embodiment of them !!! Well, and further inland? Then China makes and collects them! And with China we are still nishtyak.
            I’ll tell you that if China imposed sanctions, it would be more difficult and painful than the Europeans.
          3. dustycat
            dustycat 23 March 2014 20: 18
            0
            Quote: Horde
            sophisticated electronic control, as well as SOFTWARE for modern machines

            What software?
            Try to put in 32 kilobytes what mattresses do not fit in 2 gigabytes, and then scare them already.

            Quote: Horde
            it is possible that bookmarks can be triggered in programs and microcircuits


            Moreover, Russia needs to seek an embargo.
            Although then, in addition to software development and engineering, something else will begin to develop. Moreover, there are technologies in scientific institutes and only the availability of cheaper and more affordable Western equipment prevents their introduction into production.
            And there have never been a shortage of ideas and ideas in Russia.
        2. voffchik7691
          voffchik7691 22 March 2014 18: 33
          +3
          Do not compare machines 30-40 years, what is there to repair ?!
          And in a modern CNC machine there are drives (done there), there are spindles (done there), almost all electronics (done there)! How will you repair them if nothing of this is done here ?!
          Well, and the last - call me at least one machine of our production, I do not mean 16K20 or 6P12 (or based on them), although they are not made, but are being repaired.
          1. dustycat
            dustycat 23 March 2014 20: 35
            +1
            Quote: voffchik7691
            How will you repair them if nothing of this is done here ?!

            Yes, just like the TREF series soil pumps, we throw out a dead Dutch built-in frequency bracket (price for spare parts 800E, delivery time 4 weeks) and put an external Chinese frequency bracket suitable for power (retail price 240E, delivery time 1 week).
            We found something to frighten the Soviet engineer.

            Not all 16A20 and 6p12 have been handed over to ferrous metal yet - we will rewind the motors, we will adapt the Chinese chastotniks. A computer Electronics 60 on them is indestructible by definition and are still preserved in the zahashniki circuit boards CPU PDP70 made of loose powder type k 155LA3 - THEY WILL BE ETERNAL!

            So on what to make silent screws for submarines and the hull for accelerometers there is what will be on what.
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 22 March 2014 13: 59
        +3
        Quote: Horde
        With the loss of its machine tool RUSSIA

        And who is the director of the Institute of Heavy Engineering (or whatever)?
        1. Horde
          Horde 22 March 2014 14: 24
          -6
          Quote: Pilat2009
          And who is the director of the Institute of Heavy Engineering (or whatever)?

          grandfather fir laughing
          1. saber1357
            saber1357 22 March 2014 22: 47
            +1
            And also hamlo, the Tatar-Mongol yoke and the Holocaust denies (Hitler was also a lover of the horde)
      3. saber1357
        saber1357 22 March 2014 22: 45
        0
        In, the horde teaches us to live! Come on, come on, again you will be captured captive, Baskuda
      4. dustycat
        dustycat 23 March 2014 20: 09
        +1
        Quote: Horde
        and on what equipment?

        On equipment with a plate Made in the USSR and with a release date no later than 1990.
        Customized such tuned. And I set up - they still invite.
        And they work great and precision.
        One problem - because of the long production of buckets, dishes and garden sets on them, skills were lost.
    4. vova1973
      vova1973 22 March 2014 13: 11
      0
      will be. Then even the plants stood.
    5. Corporal
      Corporal 22 March 2014 13: 23
      -1
      Hope for the best, get ready for the worst. Will we survive, become stronger? Yes! But it will not be easy.

      For example, from a simple one - MS Windows will stop working. Almost everything will rise, completely. Not for a very long time, but nonetheless.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 22 March 2014 17: 23
        +3
        Quote: Efreytor
        For example, from a simple one - MS Windows will stop working. Almost everything will rise, completely. Not for a very long time, but nonetheless.

        then let's switch to Linux and everything will be the same ... On the other hand, why should she get up with it, pirated versions work and nothing ... fellow
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 22 March 2014 21: 16
        +1
        Quote: Efreytor
        MS Windows will stop working.

        Well, if she doesn’t want to work, then the money is paid for her in vain — violation of the agreement’s terms. Our liberals should think about copyright compliance. Turn a blind eye to the use of pirated products. Let the petty-soft ones do it, but only who will talk to them ?
        Quote: PSih2097
        pirated versions work and nothing ..

        When I had corporate faces and I was reckless to upgrade, the sound disappeared and everything began to fail.
      3. dustycat
        dustycat 23 March 2014 20: 41
        0
        Quote: Efreytor
        For example, from a simple one - MS Windows will stop working

        And what?
        Let's move on to VINE. Business then.
        In addition, the machine 16A20 does not work on Windows.

        It is the Iranians who at first laughed with Siemens controllers for centrifuges. So we just switched to another software and continued to work further.
        1. Corporal
          Corporal 24 March 2014 09: 55
          0
          Unfortunately, not everything is so simple, we have almost all offices, centers for working with citizens of various social services, institutes, etc. They are sitting on Windows, and fresh, specialized software is precisely based on the latest versions of Windows. Now all this will rise, and Vine will not save here. Cut off from the Internet systems working in conjunction with computers in all regions - as you imagine it.

          Piracy is not a reason to burn the main bookmarks, but a licensed OS or not, who will care when we become enemies.
      4. Containers
        Containers 23 March 2014 22: 43
        0
        Yes, from what hangover will it get up if it is not connected to the Internet? Will Billy give the order to Windows "stand up" by the power of thought?
    6. A TYPE
      A TYPE 22 March 2014 13: 34
      +8
      In the 41st geyropa, led by Adolf, imposed sanctions. In the 45th, a Russian soldier canceled them.
      1. Tanarri
        Tanarri 22 March 2014 13: 58
        +8
        Until the 41st, Stalin conducted industrialization and in our country they released everything they needed, and now we have a resource-based economy.
    7. cerko
      cerko 22 March 2014 13: 41
      +6
      pessimists say that everything is bad and worse, but optimists know what happens ...
    8. Observer
      Observer 22 March 2014 14: 18
      0
      Truly so.
    9. Val_y
      Val_y 22 March 2014 17: 09
      +2
      Yes, everything will be normal, there will be no sanctions-shmankts, merci, audi, bmveshek, well, maybe now not only localization, but also a completely new production will be taken as a head start for the automotive industry, for the aviation industry, for instrumentation and glass construction. By the way, about the auto industry, I’ve been driving a jig for 10 years already and nothing, I need an approach and care laughing and then big big to do bully . By the way escho eat Korea, India hi
    10. Saburov
      Saburov 23 March 2014 01: 10
      +4
      I got the feeling that the article was designed so that Russia would be afraid of sanctions. Firstly, the author does not have information on machine tools in Russia at all, secondly, he is now a leader in machine tools, including high-tech ones, as China is not surprising, he even overtook the United States and Japan, thirdly, Russia has at least 100 enterprises that produce high-tech machine tools and equipment, and this is about 900.000 - 1.500.000 machines per year. Fourth, the share of domestic machines in defense enterprises is a state secret and the author can just guess about their number. Fifth, at the moment, due to credit conditions, private machine-tool enterprises in Russia are not able to compete with Western and even more so with Chinese machine-builders, and so, under this credit scheme, often a private factory is recognized bankrupt, and who do you think after that buys it? That's right, state! Thus, we can state the fact that Russia is actively introducing new capacities for the domestic machine tool industry, both purely Russian and cluster production, so I consider this article a provocation and alarmism!
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  2. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 22 March 2014 08: 01
    +20
    Yes, we have something to lose. But let's be frank to the end, and not half, and make a list of what the West will not get.
    And believe me, too, a lot.
    1. Canep
      Canep 22 March 2014 08: 10
      +27
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      And believe me, too, a lot.
      Oil, gas, titanium, steel, aluminum. But it doesn’t matter since trade through third countries will not stop. And China has made it clear that it will not join the sanctions. In addition, this embargo will finally force to diversify the economy, and begin to develop domestic engineering.
      1. a52333
        a52333 22 March 2014 08: 24
        +2
        VSMPO-Avisma Corporation, a Russian titanium producer, is a strategic partner and supplier of Boeing. In August 2007, representatives of Boeing and VSMPO announced the creation of a joint venture Ural Boeing Manufacturing (UBM) for the processing of titanium stampings. This joint venture, with equal shares, began to produce components for the Boeing 787 Dreamliner in 2009.

        Like a blow to mmmmm ... twins wink .
      2. dude_not_in_theme
        dude_not_in_theme 22 March 2014 14: 30
        +8
        For example, I can’t understand why Germany is so yelling about sanctions fool After all, they supply 45% of their expensive auto industry to Russia. Half of the tree-sticks !!!!! What will happen to their economy if this channel gets up? Or do they think it will be someone else to buy? Well, yes, before that they didn’t buy it, but now they will be, bullshit. You can still remember about roundwood, fertilizers, where Russia is one of the leaders in export. I still think that mattresses, along with their mongrels, oh, sorry, together with their allies, they won’t go to such a complete redivision of the world.
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 22 March 2014 10: 25
      +3
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      Yes, we have something to lose. But let's be frank to the end, and not half, and make a list of what the West will not get.

      The author forgot to mention that on those high-tech machines that are installed at Sukhoi plants, a lot of parts are produced for Boeing and Airbas aircraft. In addition, with some effort, Russia is able to build its own modern machine-tool plant (not the gods burn pots), and this in due time will create competition for its Western counterparts. The capitalists understand this all and are in no hurry to introduce economic sanctions against Russia.
      1. Letun
        Letun 22 March 2014 10: 50
        +15
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        In addition, with some effort, Russia is able to build its own modern machine-tool plant (not the gods burn pots), and this in due time will create competition for its Western counterparts.

        Can you imagine what a modern machining center is? Judging by what they wrote, no. What is needed here is not "some effort" but a real state program. And you may not even dream of creating competition for Japanese, German or Swiss machine tools.
        The author of the article is absolutely right, sanctions aimed at modern technological equipment in Russia, this is the worst thing they can do. We will live without Coca-Cola and McDonald's, we will live without Fords and BMWs, but the unfinished remnants of our industry rest on imported equipment. And this is very bad!
        1. andrewvlg
          andrewvlg 22 March 2014 11: 33
          +5
          Quote: Letun
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          In addition, with some effort, Russia is able to build its own modern machine-tool plant (not the gods burn pots), and this in due time will create competition for its Western counterparts.

          Can you imagine what a modern machining center is? Judging by what they wrote, no. What is needed here is not "some effort" but a real state program. And you may not even dream of creating competition for Japanese, German or Swiss machine tools.
          The author of the article is absolutely right, sanctions aimed at modern technological equipment in Russia, this is the worst thing they can do. We will live without Coca-Cola and McDonald's, we will live without Fords and BMWs, but the unfinished remnants of our industry rest on imported equipment. And this is very bad!

          I completely agree with you. First you need to re-learn how to produce machine tools, avionics, and so on. high-tech equipment (at least 50%), and then “throw caps”. By the way, such sanctions will hit our industry much more painfully, since the United States, the European Union, Israel can freely cooperate with each other, and who are we with? With China, Iran, India? And the PRC, most likely, will not supply us with anything high-tech. So, to the two "allies" - the army and the navy, one should add no less important - a developed high-tech industry.
        2. komendor
          komendor 22 March 2014 11: 58
          +5
          "some effort" but a real government program.

          Actually, this program exists in 2010, maybe earlier.
          Only we have built 2 plants. And there are a lot of them in the country. It's just not enough
          is shown. Yes, and why. And why is it considered that imported equipment is
          very bad. We produce imported equipment and machines only adapted for RUSSIAN consumers.
        3. vova1973
          vova1973 22 March 2014 13: 15
          0
          you need the effort of the state time and prepared maps, and this is all time again
        4. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 23 March 2014 12: 51
          +2
          Quote: Letun
          Can you imagine what a modern machining center is?

          Yes, I can imagine that in Gomel they make and sell to Germany, the USA and 40 more countries of the world. There are also machine-tool factories in Russia operating at a very high technological level.
          Here for example

          And in Ulyanovsk, a completely new machine-tool plant is being built
          1. plohoy
            plohoy 24 March 2014 08: 34
            0
            All the automation of this machine is "foreign" .... For example, the operator panel "SIEMENS", and even the red mushroom emergency shutdown "ABB" or "Schneider" ..... And as an engineer of the process control system, I will tell you, in the automation of any technological processes at the moment, in Russia, only 99% of the "foreign" filling is used ..... And this is sad (((.... And it is not at all about Coca-Cola (((
        5. dustycat
          dustycat 23 March 2014 20: 50
          +1
          Quote: Letun
          Can you imagine what a modern machining center is?


          Multi-spindle milling machine with manipulators and CNC.

          This is if you need to cut the budget headstock - you need a state program and a Duma profile committee.

          And if a working machining center is mass-produced, ten engineers at any enterprise with a machine park suitable for the manufacture of basic iron will be enough.
      2. oldstaryi
        oldstaryi 22 March 2014 12: 37
        +1
        If sanctions are imposed, we will stop supplying parts for Boeings and Airbases. The Germans will fly in full, they have 6000 enterprises here ... drinks
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 22 March 2014 11: 45
      +12
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      And believe me, too, a lot.


      In Russia, the entire food industry is tied to American TNCs. Such American giants as Coca-Cola, ConocoPhillips, Microsoft, McDonald's, Wrigley, Procter & Gamble, PepsiCo, Philip Morris, Ford, General Motors, Hewlett-Packard, Chevron operate in the Russian Federation. Many of them have factories in Russia. For example, Coca-Cola Hellenic owns 14 plants in Russia, including two Multon plants.
      it’s only the USA, I’m modestly silent about Europe, because there, without the Russian market, civilized people without zhopogreki will arrange a real pan-European Maidan, but why there the Maidan. The Islamic revolution as soon as the benefits are cut off to the Arabs and Turks.

      GM has a joint venture with AvtoVAZ and a plant in St. Petersburg, Ford also has a plant in St. Petersburg. In addition, many companies have dozens of distribution centers or outlets, such as McDonald's. In 2013, American companies invested, including portfolio investment, $ 14 billion in Russia.

      Russia may confiscate property, assets and accounts of foreign companies located on its territory. Such an asymmetric and, it seems, very effective response to possible American sanctions was proposed by the Federation Council. Lawyers believe that such steps can be found a legitimate basis, and economists - that the losses of United States companies will be extremely large.
      The newspaper "Vzglyad" writes

      And bringing Russia to democracy in Libyan will not work, because somewhere in a remote Ivanovo village a grandmother is watching news on TV, and outside the window ... Poplar is quietly going rustling with tires, the "Crowns" have moved apart, all the mines have opened try to get us from the bay- flounders smile





  3. saag
    saag 22 March 2014 08: 07
    +4
    And what if you create a holding company that will develop and test the entire range of products for import substitution, so to speak, work "on the table" or in small batches where possible, it is certainly costly, but if the oxygen is cut off somewhere, it will remain to bring out the development and implement it in production
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 22 March 2014 10: 02
      +6
      The saddest thing about this story is that in Russia there are developers of domestic components who want to create high-quality products and have the appropriate competence. However, the activities of innovative companies, those economic entities, on the success of which the quality of domestic components depends, faced with misunderstanding and resistance from industry.
      Earlier with this "misunderstanding and resistance" Comrade Stalin understood very quickly and efficiently.
      1. gsg955
        gsg955 22 March 2014 10: 19
        +2
        Officials at felling ...
    2. Tihas
      Tihas 22 March 2014 11: 03
      +4
      this is exactly what is happening now:

      ... An example is Transas, a manufacturer of modern flight and navigation systems, whose equipment is not included in the latest Russian aircraft. Or another example: for four years, the Supervariator company has been developing a promising electromechanical continuously variable transmission capable of competing on equal terms with the latest developments of foreign competitors that are not yet available on the Russian market. During this time, a serious backlog was created in this direction. A team of capable engineers and developers was assembled through fragments of the practically destroyed automobile industry, a rapidly degrading scientific school, through unthinkable efforts, investors were found (including the VTB State Bank) who invested tangible funds in this development. As a result of the work, a mock-up was created, tests were carried out, and even a preliminary design (which aroused the enthusiasm of the plant’s technical experts) for a commercial product for one of the Russian manufacturers was protected ...

      Surely there are many more such examples. Their time did not come. Sanctions will help us. So that there are more sanctions, good and different.
      1. komendor
        komendor 22 March 2014 12: 18
        +1
        All right, there are a lot of examples. Unfortunately, in many cities, such enterprises are not allowed to develop local and central officials.
        1. Containers
          Containers 24 March 2014 00: 36
          0
          Are there any examples?
  4. comrad74
    comrad74 22 March 2014 08: 09
    +1
    We need to level the chances. Give Poplar BUK !!! And there at least Fallout does not grow wassat
  5. 77bob1973
    77bob1973 22 March 2014 08: 17
    +5
    So what's the problem? They shut off oxygen, we think Russia is not Iran!
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 22 March 2014 09: 57
      +4
      Quote: 77bob1973
      So what's the problem? They shut off oxygen, we think Russia is not Iran!

      To block the sales market in Russia, will it have to do import substitution, attract China, India !!? Who tell me in Europe and the United States is so marginal that it will refuse to profit, for what? The West can create any meanness, but to betray grandmothers, communism is not their horse.
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  7. Gennady1973
    Gennady1973 22 March 2014 08: 19
    +29
    At one time, the USSR was in such sanctions that Iran never dreamed of, plus two world wars! neither the "iron curtain" nor any boycotts, sanctions, bans, etc. did not prevent the country from being the first to be in space, to have a fleet and an army that the whole world was afraid of, so it will be more difficult, but not a catastrophe.
    1. smith7
      smith7 22 March 2014 08: 36
      +5
      The level of international cooperation in the creation of specific high-tech products was not so high. Nowadays, one state alone can rarely do on its own when creating competitive products. But ours can ...
    2. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather 22 March 2014 10: 24
      +2
      We won the 2nd world, because we had both machine tools and factories. Now all the machines and technologies are delivered to us by enemies. And their developments are ignored. Just for a second, imagine a repetition of the Second World War. How will we build tanks? In one Russian spirit, we won’t leave here, unfortunately.
    3. vova1973
      vova1973 22 March 2014 13: 18
      -2
      only you will work, as in 1937.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 22 March 2014 13: 41
        +2
        Quote: vova1973
        only you will work, as in 1937.

        Do you remember how you worked then? laughing
      2. Gennady1973
        Gennady1973 23 March 2014 07: 58
        +2
        I still work and not on the Maidan. So what? I did not drink with you to switch to YOU. I have worked and will work. I don’t need a pitchfork. wife, son, daughter, fed, shod, dressed, and this is the main thing!
  8. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 22 March 2014 08: 20
    +8
    I agree, our government supports traders, not manufacturers.

    http://topwar.ru/41837-sankciy-boyatsya-nezachem-my-usilivaemsya-ot-davleniya.ht
    ml # comment-id-2118314
    Since the Gaidar times, the economic block of our government reflects the interests of traders - to the detriment of the interests of manufacturers

    The imposition of sanctions stimulates the development of own production
    I am for sanctions

    And I agree with the author:
    the basis of the country's wealth is the quality and reproduction of goods of group A (primarily machines and equipment) produced in the country.
    1. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg 22 March 2014 11: 43
      +1
      Quote: MainBeam
      The imposition of sanctions stimulates the development of own production
      I am for sanctions


      Maybe there was no need to prepare for the Patriotic War? All the same, we would have won, right? Let's not think about the future, let us block the air, we will learn how to breathe with gills.
      1. Mainbeam
        Mainbeam 22 March 2014 12: 54
        0
        I do not see the logic of the transition from my statement to yours.
        In other words: what prompted you to such thoughts after you read my koment to this article?
  9. tema2101
    tema2101 22 March 2014 08: 23
    0
    "Big words were" if you remember, Putin said we will raise the military industry, it will pull the entire industry of Russia. In fact, as we did piece by piece, we do it. We are not afraid of sanctions, we are afraid of their consequences, how they will affect the Russian industry.
    1. Containers
      Containers 24 March 2014 01: 00
      0
      Kindly - tell us what we do piece by piece?
  10. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 22 March 2014 08: 24
    +12
    About the sanctions. Yesterday I got the info that England can put a paw on Abromovich’s assets. Smiled. I have 2 suggestions for this nouveau riche. Roma, order the next yacht in Severodvinsk, although it will not be very sophisticated, but with a built-in torpedo compartment and a Russian flag, no cameron can be reached. Second: to my small 8 years, he loves football very much. I allow him to buy uniforms and sneakers, to pay for future fees and dinners. And how he grows up, so be it, I will allow him to play for Spartak-Chukotka, if you do not interfere in his upbringing. Your Negro football will soon be taken away, only Sony Playstation will leave - if you will take the Champions League there.
  11. pticas
    pticas 22 March 2014 08: 24
    +6
    And who says it will be easy?
    Just now we need to begin technological modernization. Advance.
    1. smith7
      smith7 22 March 2014 08: 38
      +1
      Already started. And not even this year. But somehow everything is slow ... for now ...
    2. clidon
      clidon 22 March 2014 09: 36
      0
      For the last 15-20 years, "technological modernization" for the absolute majority of countries in the world understood the purchase of Western (or Japanese-Korean) imported lines and equipment. Something can be bought from the Chinese, something from the Indians, who have established a licensed (or simply copied) production of equipment. Truth and quality-support there is often much lower than that of technology leaders.
      There is more hope that in the conditions of the global economic crisis, serious sanctions will not work ... They will hit those who introduce them and, first of all, this, of course, is oil and gas.
  12. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 22 March 2014 08: 26
    +1
    And you did not think, maybe the whole mess with Ukraine was started by the United States in order for the Russian Federation to block the gas pipe to Europe? And sanctions - an elementary non-military provocation?

    http://www.finmarket.ru/main/article/3272414
    The US is slow in starting shale gas exports - the administration fears that the country will turn into an exporter of hydrocarbons and forget how to work. But Charles Ebinger of Brookings believes that you need to drop fears and engage in export - this is the only way the US can help its allies in Europe and save them from humiliating dependence on Russia
  13. smith7
    smith7 22 March 2014 08: 28
    +9
    In some KAMAZ models, even built for the needs of the RF Armed Forces, the share of imported components is up to 35%. The most enormous abyss is in the radio-electronic industry and the production of electrical radio products. The Pantsir-S complex includes a French thermal imager. etc. etc. We'll have to strain ... But! There is a silver lining! There is an incentive to develop or restore some industries! And for the rest of the world it will not be sweet to break some ties with us. Don't pee, Russians! We'll cope ...
  14. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 22 March 2014 08: 30
    +9
    Reconnaissance - steal, buy, steal the technologies that are essential for our industry as they did when necessary, during the USSR and now the Chinese. And in general: maybe our authorities will understand that it is necessary to produce high-tech products 100% of their own. As a hint, I remind you that during the desert storm in 1991, the French planes and tanks bought by Saddam for a lot of money for some reason really could not fly, ride or shoot. And we. By the way, they are surrounded from the east, south, west, north.
    1. Sirius-2
      Sirius-2 22 March 2014 10: 24
      +1
      And even earlier, Argentinean French-made missiles did not explode when hitting British ships. They were "accidentally" defective.
  15. PPO-1980
    PPO-1980 22 March 2014 08: 37
    +5
    Well then, we will restore what we destroyed. We have everything for this. And sanctions are like a catalyst.
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  17. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 22 March 2014 08: 43
    +7
    No need to be afraid of sanctions!

    Before industrialization, Comrade Stalin was in a much more losing position - and, nothing, managed.

    After World War II, there was no help. Restored destroyed.

    Let's do it!
  18. Sibiryak13
    Sibiryak13 22 March 2014 08: 53
    +2
    I also think that worse than 90 will not. Ill with freedom and permissiveness. It seems that people wake up conscience.
  19. Ddhal
    Ddhal 22 March 2014 09: 06
    +6
    Dear author,
    No need to escalate a gift-driven panic. Each stick has two ends, but at the moment there are at least three on our side.
    Firstly, in the calculations for raw materials, we can switch to gold or rubles, and then who comes forward in the Stone Age is not known, for the American military-printing economy will sprinkle for sure.
    Secondly, there is China for components and spare parts. parts, they have already learned to maintain the required level of quality.
    And thirdly, joining Rogozin, we are finally starting to develop our intellectual production - in this regard, the sanctions of the Western "partners" are especially encouraging.
    1. RusSever
      RusSever 22 March 2014 09: 15
      +2
      I agree with you. We must do OWN. The author squeals about the SUPERJET airplane - this is not an airplane - it is squalor, which can only be a European "airplane" Like a Boeing and an airbus taken together. Graduated in the 90s USSR Aviation Industry - glory to Yeltsin and Gaidar. Superjet - this project and Mr. Poghosyan should be dealt with competently ...
  20. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 22 March 2014 09: 19
    +3
    from the Don.
    I believe that the imposition of sanctions will be useful for us, FOR OUR INDUSTRY. Still with the WTO would be expelled!
    1. clidon
      clidon 22 March 2014 09: 42
      -1
      Is it useful in that we return 20 years ago in technology? And this is at best. Let me remind you, for example, that without cooperation, the maximum for our car market is some models of Grant, Kalina and Prior cars. The vast majority of complex electronics, especially industrial ... Yes, and much more.
  21. Arkan
    Arkan 22 March 2014 09: 22
    +4
    Article +++.

    "When the author was receiving his education, he was told that the basis of the country's wealth is the quality and reproduction of Group A goods (primarily machine tools and equipment) produced in the country."

    These are the foundations of an industrialized state. It is high time to revive this sector of the economy.
  22. Pokerof13
    Pokerof13 22 March 2014 09: 23
    +5
    No sanctions will interrupt the desire of Russia to put the United States in * opu. It would not be difficult, but the joy of what kind of hysteria they have there gives additional strength.
  23. andruha70
    andruha70 22 March 2014 09: 33
    0
    article-minus ... the author has either a problem with logic, or with a story, "not everything is okay", or: boy-sent ... request it seems like in the "soviet" time - both planes flew and KAMAZ went ... wink in Russia, together with two friends (well, you all know wink ) one way: I bring everything with me !!!
    1. cumastra1
      cumastra1 22 March 2014 13: 38
      0
      I will add on my own. Before World War II, the states pressed Japan with sanctions. As a result, they got pearl harbor and several years of war. I agree that the analogy is inappropriate. But, politics is a concentrated economy. Americans must understand that they cannot go too far, because "there are things that are much more important than the world." One day they will wake up not from an alarm clock, but from a very bright flash, and we are not Japanese.
  24. Gray 43
    Gray 43 22 March 2014 09: 41
    +3
    About KamAZ I agree with the comment — especially imported components and assemblies are used on prototypes of equipment for various purposes, since nothing like the same powerful and compact is produced in Russia, at best if there are exhibition samples. Somewhere there is not enough money, somewhere there is not enough coordination between various departments, ideas that is, there is no mass production
  25. andrey777
    andrey777 22 March 2014 09: 46
    +8
    Russia was expelled from the Group of Eight, the United States and its six remained ........)))))))))))))))))))))))))) laughing
  26. upasika1918
    upasika1918 22 March 2014 09: 50
    0
    Alarmists to the wall. Aftora: Can't we live without airplanes? Will we ride the locomotives? Die without European grub and swill? Without kurshavely and monaco? Fooled without multi-colored candoms and pads? What a caring alarmist!
  27. koksalek
    koksalek 22 March 2014 09: 53
    +3
    A good article shows one of the relevant topics at any time, the introduction of various kinds of innovations including and from domestic Kulibins. If it weren’t for the rotten corruption and the officials bought, then maybe they would have gone not on gas engines but on more modern developments
  28. Gagarin
    Gagarin 22 March 2014 10: 14
    0
    ARTICLE POROZHENCHESKAYA!
    WOLVES ARE AFRAID - DO NOT GO TO FOREST!
    (are they afraid of the wolf in the forest?)
  29. saber
    saber 22 March 2014 10: 16
    +5
    I work at a defense enterprise - almost all machines - Japan, USA, Germany, Italy. it is a fact. But, believe me, I will do my job and at 2 times cheaper Chinese I will do no worse - and they are already rubbing their hands, waiting for the sanctions on the import of technological equipment to be introduced. so it is with engines, gearboxes, etc. all over China I run trucks with Chinese copies of "Cummins", "Deutz", "Caterpilar", which now have completely unpronounceable names - I don't know what will prevent us from releasing a copy of "Kammins" under the brand name "Victory"!
    1. clidon
      clidon 22 March 2014 10: 43
      0
      Some machines can be replaced with Chinese, and some can not. Others simply have purchased import nodes and the Chinese may also indicate the impossibility of their supply to us ...

      PS And yes, interestingly, having received such power over us, in fact, China will not take advantage of this by monopolizing supplies?
      1. saber
        saber 22 March 2014 14: 05
        +1
        almost everything, except for unique machines, can be replaced by the Chinese. but the fact that we have a lag in this sector needs to be worked on. and large firms will not give up their market! why do they need it ??? find ways to get around sanctions, only for us it may turn out to be more expensive
        1. clidon
          clidon 22 March 2014 14: 50
          0
          I don’t know, almost the entire commandant’s office I met (with the exception of the simplest machines) was either licensed or purchased ...
          And the hope that they will not want to lose money on us is basically the main one.
  30. Deadmen
    Deadmen 22 March 2014 10: 31
    +2
    The article is good, but I would like to know the state of things in other sectors. In particular, I heard that there is absolutely trouble with pharmaceuticals. Namely, with medicines for serious illnesses. I remember Putin held a meeting and talked about the dependence on a number of such medicines, the production of which completely absent. And asked as soon as possible to provide a plan for overcoming this addiction. People who use these drugs probably live with anxiety now.
    1. abdrah
      abdrah 22 March 2014 11: 07
      +3
      Iran, India and someone else declared an epidemic (about hepatitis) and started the unlicensed production of interferon, but we have a real epidemic but we respect the copyrights of Western manufacturers and do not produce cheap analogues, killing a poor population.
    2. Marine One
      Marine One 22 March 2014 12: 03
      +1
      Quote: Deadmen
      In particular, I heard that it’s a complete disaster with pharmaceuticals. Namely, with medicines for serious illnesses


      Nothing fun. For oncology, for cardiovascular and so on - solid imports. And in those isolated cases where there is no import of the finished product, there is imported raw materials. The wife is a neurosurgeon. In the clinic where she works of domestic production, except that small things are all kind of bandages and gloves. I’m silent about the equipment. However, even in Iraq at the peak of sanctions, the shipment of drugs did not stop. It would be something to pay for them.

      Quote: Deadmen
      And he asked me to provide a plan for overcoming this dependence as soon as possible.

      He’s good for what the plan requested. Sense something? In advanced pharma and medical equipment, the USSR even catastrophically lagged behind in the best years. Here only if the whole plants are imported with laboratories and specialists.
  31. Native grandfather
    Native grandfather 22 March 2014 10: 32
    +1
    And what prevents us from acting like the Chinese? Learn to do them with us. Are there really no brains enough? And this, Comrade Putin, crush the merchant of our Motherland, support manufacturers and scientists.
    1. clidon
      clidon 22 March 2014 10: 41
      +1
      To do this, first you need to get these technologies, train personnel, work on this equipment, then buy decommissioned ones, disassemble them, consult with experienced operators, and then do your own thing by buying critical components abroad or removing them from used equipment. Then build your first machines, copy software on them and see what happened.
      Better yet, just buy a license and, having established production with the help of a seller, produce equipment, it’s not what you originally agreed on, but what you want. And having bought the missing issue as completely mine.
  32. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 22 March 2014 10: 42
    +5
    I won’t say anything about aircraft, but I can say something about automotive.
    Yes, there is a share of imported units in the auto industry, but we also have our own developments in terms of Yaroslavl diesel engines of new series:





    Diesel of the YaMZ-530 series.



    Diesel of the YaMZ-650 series.
    1. clidon
      clidon 22 March 2014 10: 58
      +2
      It is much more interesting which machines will process parts for these engines. And even domestic ones come, and there all the electronics are imported.
      1. komendor
        komendor 22 March 2014 12: 25
        +1
        Yes, and let it be imported. She works for us. Moreover, it is a market if it is cheaper there. Our electronics in the army works well.
        1. clidon
          clidon 22 March 2014 13: 15
          0
          And sanctions may apply to imported electronics.
          "Our" sophisticated electronics, manufactured in Taiwan, as a rule. They can also crush her.
    2. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 22 March 2014 11: 09
      +3
      These are just two samples of new diesel engines. In addition, there is a line of well-developed diesel engines of the YaMZ-236,238,240 series. Including upgraded to modern parameters (high power). So our automotive equipment and wheeled armored vehicles will not remain without engines.
      The same applies to gearboxes, clutch units and axles. And the Yaroslavl plant is only one enterprise. There is also KAMAZ, ZMZ, UMP and many others.
      Without trucks, we certainly won’t stay, and as for cars, here is a VAZ and cards in hand. And people will look after quality.
      Russia has enough enterprises to produce modern automotive (and not only) equipment, using only its own facilities without imported accessories.
      Based on existing imported accessories (penvo-hydraulic equipment, filters, etc.), you can start producing your own products and thereby provide your own need.
      During the Soviet era, we drove on Soviet Zhiguli, Moskvich, Niva, Volga, &
      quot; LuAZakh "and nothing buzzed.
      1. clidon
        clidon 22 March 2014 11: 34
        0
        That is, in fact, the recipe - back to 20 years ago?
        Without competition, everything will again fall into the trash and scarcity. All the same, everything will be swept away from the shelves, why strain? Moreover, even Russia does not have the capabilities of the USSR. Well, there is still an alternative to sit tightly on Chinese imports, and then inadvertently bow to their legs like 10 years ago. What it will simply be a sin not to use.
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 22 March 2014 11: 50
          +2
          If you are a fan of foreign clothes, electronic and other junk, as well as a foreign car, go then to the EU (just think well, who will need you there?) Or the USA. Or maybe somewhere else.
          Russia has all the resources to produce everything from food to engineering. We can also provide ourselves with everything we need.
          To do this, you just need to work. We have a free, not a planned economy.
          If you can open your own production and thereby contribute to the development of your country (unless of course you are going to live in it).
          1. clidon
            clidon 22 March 2014 13: 18
            0
            I am a lover of a normal life in which it is possible and necessary to organize production and at the same time live peacefully with neighbors. But I do not send you to S. Korea to live on my own. Therefore, first of all, if you want less import dependence, you need to think with your head, and not tear a tailor's shirt sewn on imported cars on your chest and call everyone back to turnips.
            And advice to everyone is easy to give, hard to do.
            1. Alekseev
              Alekseev 22 March 2014 14: 17
              +3
              Quote: clidon
              you need to think with your head, and not tear a tailor’s shirt sewn on imported machines on your chest

              That's for sure, you need to think!
              The country needs to be covered a little, but not quite, in moderation, from different WTOs, etc.
              Launch large infrastructure and other industrial projects.
              To buy not all crap, but mainly machines and equipment, strengthen domestic demand, slowly switch to paying for oil and gas in rubles, tax benefits for high-tech industries, etc. The thing will go! yes
              Even if there are no serious sanctions, all this must be done.
              And the necessary equipment (and technology) will be brought to the headstock through China and other roundabout ways. The bourgeoisie will go for any crime for profit.
              1. Hairy Siberian
                Hairy Siberian 22 March 2014 15: 14
                0
                Quote: wanderer_032
                Yes, there is a share of imported units in the auto industry, but we also have our own developments in terms of Yaroslavl diesel engines of new series:

                Quote: wanderer_032
                Diesel of the YaMZ-530 series.

                The YaMZ-530 diesel is a joint development with the Austrian engineering company AVL List GmbH.
                And YMZ-650 is generally licensed "Renault" dCi 11.
              2. Nagaibak
                Nagaibak 22 March 2014 20: 40
                0
                Alekseev "For profit, the bourgeoisie will commit any crime."
                Up to the sale of my mother !!!)))
          2. God of war
            God of war 23 March 2014 01: 11
            0
            Give Tajiks and Uzbeks to factories
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 23 March 2014 14: 32
              0
              Quote: God of war
              Give Tajiks and Uzbeks to factories

              There was such an enterprise
              Tashkent Aviation Association named after Chkalov (TAPOiCH). This is in Uzbekistan.
    3. Fanat1984
      Fanat1984 22 March 2014 23: 50
      0
      Well ... pa is that they won’t buy them anyway ... sad
  33. saag
    saag 22 March 2014 10: 58
    +1
    it is not necessary to proclaim technical modernization, because here they can go the easier way - that is, buy something that is not there, but import-substituting industrialization, because in machine tools, here, in fact, the whole industry needs to be raised again, as well as mechanical engineering, again electronics and it production
  34. Old_ret
    Old_ret 22 March 2014 10: 59
    +3
    Back in the year 94, my graduation project was an asynchronous starter-generator, an amazing thing happened - for example, the starting current was 2 times less, but unfortunately there was no funding already and the topic died out, and the teacher told me that we were doing something , we believe, and our manufacturers will still buy such abroad when they do it there.
    1. saag
      saag 22 March 2014 11: 01
      +1
      in aviation, the starter-generator has been used for a long time, but why is it asynchronous, if there is a start from the batteries, then the converter, as they say, the more complex the system, the more probabilities of failure
      1. Old_ret
        Old_ret 22 March 2014 11: 20
        +2
        The absence of brushes, well, the starting current is half as much, something about 230A, a voltage inverter was used to start, the circuit is quite simple.
  35. aud13
    aud13 22 March 2014 10: 59
    +7
    Dear ones, those who say that there is no problem as such ...
    Look out the window to count how many of the cars standing under the windows (well, or passing by) are of purely Russian origin (VAZ, GAZ, UAZ, IL)?
    Look at how many office equipment and home appliances of Russian manufacture you have at home (televisions, computers, audio and video centers, mobile phones, etc.).
    I think the comments are superfluous, as there is a problem and it is really very serious.
    Unfortunately, the author is right in that, since the collapse of the USSR, a little attention has been paid to the development of our own production (to put it mildly).
    Citizens who dug into oil and gas pipes were more likely to influence industrial policy, and it is ugly in our country with a bias on the export of resources to the detriment of those who produce it.
    Moreover, these same citizens can now primarily suffer from sanctions, since it was they who all this time withdrew assets from the country. That is, the West, on the basis of the pretext of the annexation of Crimea, will now rob, literally, these of our exporters, as well as other persons associated with them, and thereby improve its economic situation.
    Therefore, although I do not belong to fans of all kinds of Abramovich, Rotenberg and others, but sanctions against them as a measure of impact due to the annexation of Crimea are sanctions against Russia. Therefore, we must act accordingly.
    In addition, it seems to me that it is necessary to seize the initiative on the issue of sanctions, since following the lead from the west we will soon begin to lose it both psychologically and economically.
    Hard answers should make the West understand that sanctions are a two-edged sword. And the second can hit them very seriously.
    Well, with regard to industry, there can be no questions. It is necessary to develop it. Another question is that it can only be developed by the government in which the production workers play a decisive role, rather than the raw materials, as now, under the guise of Medvedev.
  36. Platov
    Platov 22 March 2014 11: 04
    +5
    The author is right until we start to produce equipment and sanction tools (of us) can greatly hurt. But in stores, 9 out of 10 products were manufactured in China, so sanctions will help China take the entire Russian market. Sanctions will close the Russian market forever for the West, and Russian energy will go east. That is, energy for the West will rise in price by 50 percent or more at first, and when industrial production crashes and agriculture, energy cheaper, but it will be too late. Our oligarchs, who are oriented to the west together with officials, will be at a loss. Sanctions will not hurt ordinary people, of course, they will have to tighten their belts a little but not as much as in the 90s.
    1. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg 22 March 2014 11: 50
      -1
      Quote: PLATOV
      The author is right until we start to produce equipment and sanction tools (of us) can greatly hurt. But in stores, 9 out of 10 products were manufactured in China, so sanctions will help China take the entire Russian market. Sanctions will close the Russian market forever for the West, and Russian energy will go east. That is, energy for the West will rise in price by 50 percent or more at first, and when industrial production crashes and agriculture, energy cheaper, but it will be too late. Our oligarchs, who are oriented to the west together with officials, will be at a loss. Sanctions will not hurt ordinary people, of course, they will have to tighten their belts a little but not as much as in the 90s.

      Why are you sure that China will not join the sanctions? Chinese and American industry are closely related, the United States can put pressure on the PRC, so this is not a fact.
  37. Pharao7766
    Pharao7766 22 March 2014 11: 09
    +1
    Read the story! At the beginning of the existence of the USSR State, all these sanctions were already imposed on our country.
    And how it ended ... With a giant leap - Industrialization of the country!
    I understand that we don’t have such a Leader as I.V. Stalin now ... the country is not in ruins either and it touched some of which remained from the USSR.
    So I'm for sanctions - they are a real chance to get off the import needle!
    1. clidon
      clidon 22 March 2014 11: 38
      0
      And the collapse of agriculture, the Gulag, the military-siege system of the country, etc. Well, there’s also a little nuance - during the industrialization there were practically no sanctions and the USSR easily bought equipment, technologies, and models of equipment abroad.
      Do you want to stand in lines again, ride "Muscovites" and watch combustible TVs "Ruby" to spite the Americans? I am afraid that the bulk of the population will not support you in this.
      1. Pharao7766
        Pharao7766 22 March 2014 12: 32
        +2
        Alekh, I can only recommend you spend a few hours and read the history of our country. And I ask you to leave all this liberal nonsense rubbed into us from the late 80s.
        (CX collapse, GULAG, etc., etc.)
        As regards your remark about free purchases of equipment and technologies, one of the main points of those sanctions was precisely the ban on the supply of modern machine tools, technologies and machines, as well as many bans in the banking sector (the impossibility of purchasing anything). And at the initial stage, the USSR purchased everything necessary through intermediaries and front offices and banks (Baltic as an example). The country which for the time and time collaborated with the USSR on the issue of technology was Germany, because it itself was in the OPE after 1919. The rest of the imperialist countries also wanted to eat a fish (to get compensation for losing in the revolution, and (oh my God, new) to get access to raw materials of the USSR) and to sit on a sausage (at the same time not to compensate the USSR for the results of the intervention and weaken the USSR in technical economic, political, military - in other words, leave us in the 19th century).
        Regarding queues, etc. ... and no one says that there were no problems in the USSR.
        But there is no need to juggle, speaking of the total lines of the late 80s (after the liberal reforms of Judas Gorbachev and by the way) and the general situation in the USSR. In addition, as you probably can see, the state of affairs in modern Russia with consumer goods is much better, which cannot be said about industry and cx.

        Let me take my leave hi
        1. clidon
          clidon 22 March 2014 13: 30
          -1
          I know very well the history of my country (and the education is appropriate) and I see that the bulk of the population is swinging the pendulum - then the Gulag and the exhaustion of cx were not official, then suddenly everyone began to believe that there was only the Gulag and the poor peasants, now the pendulum is swinging again and it seems like there was nothing again and everything was fine and only forward and come on.
          As for sanctions, you need to decide on the time of the beginning of Industrialization. Just in the 30s, under the influence of the recognition of the USSR by all states of the world, plus, of course, the world recession, they sold us almost everything and almost without restrictions. There were indeed bans on the purchase of gold (which were caused more by problems in the banking sector than by some sanctions), there were restrictions on the supply of military equipment, but in general there were no special problems with the purchase of equipment. We even managed to procure military models from the Nazis and Italians quite legally.
          Well, shortages and queues are by no means the lot of Gorbachev’s time ... The current abundance is more ensured by import. In all its forms.
    2. Marine One
      Marine One 22 March 2014 12: 08
      +1
      And what is the relationship between sanctions and Stalin? Industrialization in the councils took place with the active participation of the United States and Europeans, who built factories here and imported technologies.
  38. mithridate
    mithridate 22 March 2014 11: 21
    +3
    it’s necessary not to shed tears about Russia's import dependence - but to roll up our sleeves, get to work
  39. Demon0n
    Demon0n 22 March 2014 11: 24
    +4
    The problem is that it is impossible to create anything out of nothing. Our industries were not competitive due to a whole range of reasons (both objective and subjective, both external and internal). It is unthinkable to develop these industries in an open market (price, quality, manufacturability, etc. will not fall off the ceiling). So, while maintaining the status quo, counting on success in frankly failed areas is a futile task.
    What happens with the imposition of sanctions? Alternative sources and alternative supply routes will be urgently sought. The price will increase many times due to rising costs, which makes it possible to create / develop our own technologies. Let's not forget that the USSR used to produce almost the entire range of goods and services on its own (i.e., objectively, the country can be self-sufficient). The only problem that can and will arise (in my opinion) is the lack and imbalance of personnel (lack of human resources and the need for redistribution of employment). In some areas, automation / robotization (by the way, and in certain types of services) may become a reasonable way out of this deadlock, which will give a more substantial impetus (there is an objective need now) for the development of appropriate technologies. However, it is worth remembering that this process is not instantaneous and will take time due to objective reasons, as well as some subjective (social) ones.
    The devil is not so terrible as he is painted.
  40. Tektor
    Tektor 22 March 2014 11: 27
    +3
    Sanctions, of course, will strike, but not destroy production: we have a market! All tied to foreign components of production will begin to look for alternatives and quickly find them inside and in the east ... Sanctions will only slow down manufacturers for a while: for the period of organizing new production of components.
    1. clidon
      clidon 22 March 2014 11: 40
      0
      If production lives on imported machines, raw materials and specialists, then it will rise. I’ll hint that almost all modern production facilities in Russia work in such conditions. Aviation flies on imported cars, even combine harvesters have long been either imported, or a license with foreign nodes, etc.
      1. Tektor
        Tektor 22 March 2014 11: 56
        +1
        You just need to understand that we can do machines and planes ourselves. And we do. We decided to use their machines and aircraft components only so that products could be licensed and sold from them ... Zero problems, just a delay.
        1. clidon
          clidon 22 March 2014 13: 32
          0
          We can, but what is their nomenclature? Imported machines as the bulk, or their licensed clones, is now the norm.
          The fact that we are now easily replacing them with some unknown analogues is nothing more than a myth.
          1. Tektor
            Tektor 22 March 2014 15: 47
            +1
            No, there is absolutely no need to change. Remember how in 90 they reflashed the "brains" of any automatic machines and players? In the same way: there is always an overly competent guy ready to reconfigure your hardware to any region, there, or positioning area. Now we refuel laser printer cartridges with chip replacement ... And it turns out much cheaper than buying a new one.
            1. clidon
              clidon 22 March 2014 20: 33
              0
              In order to reflash something, you must first buy what to reflash ...
  41. maxiban
    maxiban 22 March 2014 11: 32
    +4
    Belarus wanted to sneeze on all sorts of sanctions there. Industry there is in full swing. You just need to learn from their experience in all sectors.
    And so most likely there will be nothing serious, the partners from r8 pound and lower everything on the brakes. They will suffer the most from sanctions.
  42. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 22 March 2014 11: 39
    +3
    I already see that all the backs of the head began to be scratched, so scratch them at the same time and what will happen if such sanctions are introduced. How will this turn out for the EU, where there are well-known problems with unemployment.
    Here we stop buying their cars for example, or imported components for our own production.
    Then, in the near future, European automakers and component manufacturers will have to lay off many of their workers and curtail many production, close part of their factories. These are colossal losses measured in billions (no matter what money).
    A new and stronger wave of unemployment will sweep Europe as a whole. And there live a lot of parasites from among the same Arabs, not ... Gers, Persians. And also a lot of people from Eastern Europe who work there as migrant workers (visiting workers on a rotational basis). Just like Uzbeks, Tajiks, Ukrainians, Moldovans and other citizens from Central Asia, Ukraine, and Moldova work for us.
    And now all this armada of people is on the street, many (I mean living on unemployment benefits) without legal means of livelihood at all.
    What will they do there? Clap your hands? I do not think so...
    They will begin to steal, engage in robbery, robbery. EU will simply drown in street crime.
    As a result, the tourism industry will be bent. Who will go to rest in a country where, because of small things in your pocket, you can be sewn on the street.
    What is the bottom line. In the EU, waves of protests will be thrown out by hard workers who will demand to eat (under this shop, they will also smash and destroy everything in its path, if not immediately then it will come to this). About the surge in street crime, I already said. EU industry will be seriously undermined. In short, chaos, and such force that the Ukrainian Maidan will seem like a child’s game.
    So the EU is digging its own grave with its economic sanctions. So let dig it further.
    1. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg 22 March 2014 11: 54
      +1
      I agree, the EU will also suffer losses. But the main "aggressor" in NATO is not the EU, but the United States. European problems will hardly touch them. They have more economic ties with China.
    2. vova1973
      vova1973 22 March 2014 13: 29
      0
      they will fire a hard worker in Thailand or Malaysia
    3. tolyasik0577
      tolyasik0577 24 March 2014 09: 56
      0
      and ultimately to blame - RUSSIA laughing
  43. valokordin
    valokordin 22 March 2014 11: 43
    +4
    Sanctions against Russia, so far only cosmetic, but they showed how much power in Russia has ruined the country's industry, its scientific and production base. If the Chinese can copy everything, we can do it and even improve the equipment. For this, it is necessary to nationalize all profitable sectors and deprive the oligarchs of stolen capital. To recreate the state plan and, based on scientific analysis, urgently begin the revival of the country. Down with the traitors. If they are not imprisoned, then to exclude the possibility of influence. Let them engage in small trade and if they want to agriculture. Chubais, Vekselberg, Prokhorov, Dod to prison and immediately. Skerdyuk on public works with confiscation of property. The government resigned, Medvedev appointed head of the Federal Penitentiary Service.
  44. Denis Ro
    Denis Ro 22 March 2014 12: 00
    +1
    All this cooperation with Europe has always been for us. imposed .
    An elementary way to create addiction from them and then
    pump us rights threatening the collapse of our economy.
    Today's events are good kick for ours
    authorities who stubbornly climbed into Europe to the detriment of their
    economy and industry. I hope now they will do
    correct conclusions and instead of olympiads focus on
    industry.
  45. builder74
    builder74 22 March 2014 12: 00
    +1
    An article about not getting carried away with hats, there will be tangible difficulties and a decrease in the standard of living. The author indicated a way out of this situation. Article "+" - there would be more such serious articles.
  46. sandrmur76
    sandrmur76 22 March 2014 12: 04
    +1
    [quote = smith7] In some KAMAZ models, even built for the needs of the RF Armed Forces, the share of imported components is up to 35%. The most enormous abyss is in the radio-electronic industry and the production of electrical radio products. The Pantsir-S complex includes a French thermal imager. etc. etc. We need to send a delegation to China to gain experience and we will do everything ourselves. They also do high-quality things, only they are more expensive and they are not brought to Russia much yes
  47. CreepyUknow
    CreepyUknow 22 March 2014 12: 11
    +2
    Yes, this is really what the soul hurts. I wonder why Putin, who takes such wise steps in foreign policy, does not have enough brains for a large number of factories that provide our economy with everything necessary. And for this, everything is there, except for the initiative from above. Maybe the liberal and pro-Western part of the government does not .... In any case, it’s very disappointing.
  48. Markusmooon
    Markusmooon 22 March 2014 12: 23
    +1
    The bankers will devour Cheburashka with his sanctions, our banks will launch a gold crown, 13 billion dollars will remain in Russia, this is only a factor, then many moneybags are smarter than deducing the American economy from the example of Alisher Usmanov, I think he is not the first.
  49. xomaNN
    xomaNN 22 March 2014 12: 25
    +1
    Sanctions will be an incentive to more localize production cycles within the Russian Federation and cooperation with China, etc.
  50. Ilotan
    Ilotan 22 March 2014 12: 29
    +2
    Quote: Gennady1973
    At one time, the USSR was in such sanctions that Iran never dreamed of, plus two world wars! neither the "iron curtain" nor any boycotts, sanctions, bans, etc. did not prevent the country from being the first to be in space, to have a fleet and an army that the whole world was afraid of, so it will be more difficult, but not a catastrophe.

    Yes, but then we didn’t sit around: we were building power plants, factories, factories. Therefore, we wanted to spit on everyone: we could do everything ourselves, without outside help - from a condom to a spaceship. And name me at least one heavy engineering enterprise built by us for For the past 30 years, we only pump oil and gas, and sell our resources. We are on the verge of a big war, God forbid a cold one, in fact the war is already underway. And we can win this war only if we completely eliminate our dependence on Western technologies. difficult, but possible, and it should be done already yesterday. Option, as in the joke: "Commissar, cartridges are out!"; - "But you're a Komsomol member!" and the machine gun scribbled again - it doesn't roll.