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Ukraine has lost gas discounts for basing the Black Sea Fleet

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Ukraine has lost gas discounts for basing the Black Sea Fleet

After the annexation of Crimea to Russia, a discount on gas for Ukraine for basing the Black Sea fleet cannot be applied, said spokesman for the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov. “There is no longer such a concept as a gas discount for Ukraine for basing the Black Sea Fleet. Now it cannot be applied either de jure or de facto,” Peskov said in an interview with the Vedomosti newspaper.


According to him, in the event of a return to gas pricing with Ukraine under the contract of 2009, the additional agreement on the fleet will be considered invalid.

This document was signed in Kharkiv in April 2010 by Viktor Yanukovych and then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev. The Kharkiv agreements provide for a discount of $ 100 to the price of 1000 cubic meters of fuel obtained using the formula of gas contracts 2009 of the year up to and including 2019, in exchange for extending the lease of the Black Sea base of the Russian fleet for 25 years - up to 2042. With this discount, last year Ukraine paid about $ 400 for gas.

In December, after the Ukrainian authorities refused to sign an association agreement with the EU, as well as to support the country's economy, the Russian authorities provided another discount, reducing the price by almost a third - from $ 400 to $ 268,5.

In early March, the head of Gazprom, Alexey Miller, announced that it had been decided since April not to prolong the effect of this discount. He explained this with the debts of Ukraine and the failure to fulfill the agreements reached during the signing of the contract. According to Miller, Ukrainian debt currently stands at over 1,8 billion dollars.

The day before, the head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Energy, Yuriy Prodan, speaking in Brussels, suggested that from April 1 the price of Russian gas will rise to $ 378 - 380 per thousand cubic meters. "But there is a risk that we may not receive (discounts. - IF) $ 100, which we should receive, based on the agreement on the basing of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Ukraine," the minister said.
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  1. Tumbleweed
    Tumbleweed 21 March 2014 12: 52
    +25
    Peremoga !!! But they are even closer to independence from Russia. wassat
    They are now discussing reverse gas supplies from Slovakia ... True, the Slovaks do not block their needs in half, and at the price of something almost more than $ 500 comes out.
    By the way, all this "reverse" gas is also Russian and I think there is a way to "close the valve" wink
    1. domokl
      domokl 21 March 2014 12: 54
      +18
      There now, through all the news channels, there is infa that gas ends in gas storages ... So everything is provided ...
      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 21 March 2014 12: 56
        +9
        The question arises, why is the junta valve still not blocked?


        Quote: rolling the field
        By the way, all this "reverse" gas is also Russian and I think there is a way and there "shut off the valve" wink


        Yeah. Which in FIG reverse? you need to pay for the reverse.
        Embossed Sleep on the border.



        1. Arberes
          Arberes 21 March 2014 13: 04
          +12
          Quote: GreatRussia
          The question arises, why is the junta valve still not blocked?

          Not so simple! We should not forget about the population of Crimea (they also use gas there) and the southeast of Ukraine with their industrial potential! There is still a struggle for this region and people should feel that Russia remembers them!
          1. 120352
            120352 21 March 2014 13: 22
            +8
            Crimea will have enough gas produced on the shelf. Now these towers belong to Russia, hence to Crimea. Previously, it was smeared with a thin layer throughout the "Square", and no one was missing.
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 21 March 2014 14: 37
              +1
              Quote: 120352
              Crimea will have enough gas produced on the shelf. Now these towers belong to Russia,
              It is also not quite easy on the rigs. Chernomorneftegaz is a subsidiary of Naftogaz of Ukraine. The debt of the subsidiary to the parent company under a credit line is 1,5 billion dollars. Of course, you can not pay to nationalize. But a precedent will be created. The property of our companies on Ukraine can also be nationalized, and there is quite a lot of it. Losses and gains here are mutual.
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 21 March 2014 18: 53
                +3
                Quote: baltika-18
                Chernomorneftegaz "is a subsidiary of Naftogaz of Ukraine. The subsidiary's debt to the parent company under a credit line is 1,5 billion dollars. Of course, you can not pay to nationalize it.


                In the near future, Chornomorskneftegaz will be put up for a tender. First Deputy Prime Minister Rustam Temirgaliev told the newspaper Kommersant.

                It is reported that Gazprom has shown interest in the purchase. The Russian Ministry of Natural Resources considers the Crimean shelf "promising for the industrial development of minerals"

                link

                Gazprom means these 1.5 billion dollars. remove from debt Naftogaz and all business. wink

                And with regards to the precedent
                the Ukrainian judicial system operates on the territory of the Republic of Crimea - the only authority that has not been dismantled. Theoretically, Kiev has the opportunity to challenge the decision of the parliament of the republic in the Crimean courts.


                As for the seizure of Russian property, the flag in hand ... Poroshenko already paid for the closure of the plant in Lipetsk, and Kolomoytsev with the Russian branches of his Privat-Bank, and Pinchuk an insurance company ... And Firtash (and where is Firtash?) Will not dispute the nationalization of his factories in Crimea. Do not need to continue the list?
                Nothing personal ... business
                1. baltika-18
                  baltika-18 21 March 2014 19: 41
                  +2
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  .A Firtash (and where is Firtash?) Will not dispute the nationalization of its plants in Crimea.
                  Greetings, Stanislav. It's nice to talk to a sane interlocutor, not a yelling hurray. I apologize for the compliment. Firtash is already in Austria, the attack has begun. The Crimean "Titan", owned by Firtash, will face a very serious problem during nationalization. He receives raw materials from the Irshanskiy Volnogorsk GOKs, this is the Zhytomyr and Kirovograd regions of Ukraine. Refusal in supplies and the fate of 5000 workers of the plant and 26000 residents of the Armyansk monotown will have to be decided. And ilmenite ore is in great demand on the world market, and so on. Nothing personal ... an economic war. How option?
            2. pensioner
              pensioner 22 March 2014 00: 03
              +1
              Quote: 120352
              Crimea will have enough gas produced on the shelf.

              So yes, of course ... But. The depths ... What they are mining now is at the level of the planned unprofitable farms of the USSR ... yes Well ... at least I was SO described the situation ... True ... last year ...
          2. baltika-18
            baltika-18 21 March 2014 13: 43
            +5
            Quote: Arberes
            Not so simple! We should not forget about the population of Crimea (they also use gas there) and the southeast

            Quote: 120352
            Crimea will have enough gas produced on the shelf.
            In principle, both statements are true. Ultimately, ordinary people will have to suffer for all the political upheavals, the lower classes. According to the latest data, Ukraine was going to take part in the economic war that had begun. They were planning to increase electricity tariffs for Crimea by 4 times and water by 7 Raz.Ukrainian business is prohibited from doing business in Crimea (6 years with confiscation for violation), visiting Crimea on special passes (6 years with confiscation for violation). Do not forget the transit through Ukraine. 85% of the products imported to Crimea. The problem remains to be solved.
            1. aleks 62
              aleks 62 21 March 2014 14: 30
              0
              Cheeks puff, snuggle up and cheer ... As has happened more than once ...
            2. VAF
              VAF 21 March 2014 15: 18
              +3
              Quote: baltika-18
              In principle, both statements are true. Ultimately, ordinary people will have to suffer for all the political upheavals, the lower classes. According to the latest data, Ukraine was going to take part in the economic war that had begun. They were planning to increase electricity tariffs for Crimea by 4 times and water by 7 Raz.Ukrainian business is prohibited from doing business in Crimea (6 years with confiscation for violation), visiting Crimea on special passes (6 years with confiscation for violation). Do not forget the transit through Ukraine. 85% of the products imported to Crimea. The problem remains to be solved.


              With all due respect, but ... I do not agree!
              Point by point:
              1. The sooner they begin to suffer, the sooner it will reach them that it is fascism and then the people will stand up and sweep away this scum at times ... because war is war, but you always want to eat!
              2. We pay almost a penny for gas transit ... it’s not clear why we continue to pay so far with such debts? request
              3. No transit through Ukraine. Only through the Kerch Strait, which is already ours, so what's the problem? wink
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 21 March 2014 15: 29
                +2
                Quote: vaf
                For gas transit, we pay almost a penny.
                transit not only of gas. Railway and auto transport. And if these "robyats" sell the pipe to the states?
                Quote: vaf
                .No transit through Ukraine. Only through the Kerch Strait
                In the best case, it will take at least 3 years to build a bridge. You can’t ferry a lot of ferries, especially since the construction is grandiose according to the statements of our government.
                Quote: vaf
                The faster they start to suffer
                Sergey began the war, the economic war. Everyone will suffer in it. Someday in history books they will write about the Crimean Economic War of the 21st century. And, as always, Russia is almost against the whole world.
                1. VAF
                  VAF 21 March 2014 16: 37
                  +3
                  Quote: baltika-18
                  transit not only of gas. Railway and auto transport. And if these "robyats" sell the pipe to the states?


                  Railway and cars through Belarus, the pipe will be sold, so it is easier to sue amers .. they are .. "alive"!
                  You can carry a lot of ferries and naura .. there’s the distance from the gulkin’s nose .. you can surpass .. you ferried yourself on a personal car.
                  Use the BDK ... anyway, they'd rather work here than "portray" the NUMBER OF PENNANTS OFF THE COAST OF Syria.
                  Water and gas pipes on the bottom!
                  Unfortunately, the war has been going on for a long time. But for some reason our people, as always, don’t have time.
                  They will only suffer .. ways closer to the emperor .. simple people do without black caviar in Courchevel wassat
                  1. baltika-18
                    baltika-18 21 March 2014 16: 51
                    +1
                    Quote: vaf
                    Railway and cars through Belarus
                    I mean transit to Crimea.
                    Quote: vaf
                    Water and gas pipes on the bottom!
                    Time. You won’t live in a year or two. People need to live today and tomorrow.
                    Quote: vaf
                    They will only suffer .. ways closer to the emperor .. simple people do without black caviar in Courchevel
                    Here they are how they ate and will eat, but we don’t know .....
            3. Ascetic
              Ascetic 21 March 2014 19: 11
              +1
              Quote: baltika-18
              tariffs for Crimea on electricity 4 times, on water 7 times.


              Tariffs will now be set by Russian state monopolies, for example, now for gas in the Crimea for a cube of about 2.80 rubles (about 80 kopecks of Ukrainian at today's rate) for the population. in the Krasnodar Territory, for example, 4.40 rubles. So there will be an increase for any, but the pensions and salaries of state employees will be Russian, as well as benefits and compensation.
          3. aleks 62
            aleks 62 21 March 2014 14: 28
            0
            Crimea has its own ...
        2. Thompson
          Thompson 21 March 2014 13: 22
          +7
          The juntas as such are few, There is still the PEOPLE of Ukraine, inert, but the people
          1. Simon
            Simon 21 March 2014 13: 48
            +7
            So we should not give gas for no reason. Let the people overthrow their illegal government along with the Maydan, and then you can talk about the gas discount. negative
          2. corporal
            corporal 21 March 2014 14: 32
            +3
            Quote: Thompson
            inert but people

            It will swing, throw off the junta, put the banderlogs on trial, and you can talk about discounts. Surely we do not understand?
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        4. VeteranS
          VeteranS 21 March 2014 13: 23
          +7
          Since the gas pipe through Ukraine serves the gas needs of not only this country, but all of Western Europe ... We will sell Bandera’s power at market prices anyway, and they oh, how they bite! Kiev bandit pack will be thrown from their land, and our peoples will live in peace and friendship!
        5. GreatRussia
          GreatRussia 21 March 2014 14: 18
          +3
          Medvedev: gas contracts must be denounced, Kiev owes Russia $ 11 billion


          According to Medvedev, Russia has a lost profit of $ 11 billion. “Our Ukrainian partners should understand that they simply don’t pay for anything,” the Russian prime minister said.

          MOSCOW, Mar 21 - Prime. Kharkov gas agreements with the Russian Federation, according to which Ukraine received a discount on Russian gas in the amount of $ 100 per thousand cubic meters, are subject to denunciation, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev reported to Russian President Vladimir Putin at a meeting of the Security Council of the Russian Federation.

          According to him, Russia is losing a profit of $ 11 billion. “I believe that it is absolutely legitimate to raise the question of reimbursing these funds from the budget of Ukraine, which can be done in court, based on the norms of the denounced agreement,” Medvedev suggested. “These, of course, are tough measures, but, on the other hand, there is no document, but there is a payment made by us. And our Ukrainian partners should understand that they just don’t pay for anything, ”he said.

          In April 2010, Russia and Ukraine signed an agreement in Kharkov, extending the stay of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Ukraine after 2017 for 25 years. In exchange, Kiev received a discount on Russian gas in the amount of $ 100 per thousand cubic meters, which was provided by zeroing the export duty on gas, that is, from the Russian budget.

          “And we began to do this (to provide a discount - ed.) Immediately, despite the fact that we still had a rather long period of stay of the base according to the old document,” Medvedev explained. “Thus, the Ukrainian state saved about 11 billion dollars, and, accordingly, the budget of the Russian Federation has lost profits in the amount of the same 11 billion,” the Prime Minister said.

          To date, there are no grounds for the continuation of this agreement. “There is such an international legal principle that a treaty remains in force as long as the circumstances giving rise to it,” Medvedev explained and quoted in Latin, “clausula rebus sic stantibus.”
        6. Andrey57
          Andrey57 21 March 2014 14: 26
          +2
          The question arises, why is the junta valve still not blocked?

          According to the terms of the contract, changes in the terms of delivery and the price can only change quarterly, on March 31, the first quarter of 2014 ends and a "holiday" begins on Maydaunov Street - gas for 400 bucks, and possibly a closed valve for banderlog, gas can be redirected along the Nord Stream, since Nord Stream is not half loaded due to Merkel's freaks laughing
        7. VAF
          VAF 21 March 2014 15: 12
          +2
          Quote: GreatRussia
          The question arises, why is the junta valve still not blocked?


          Only the assumption that we do not turn off the gas, but the Nazis water for the Crimea, comes to mind.
          All other assumptions are just ... negative soldier
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 21 March 2014 19: 17
            +1
            Quote: vaf
            fascists water for the Crimea.


            Sergei! In Crimea, there is a reservoir that was created to irrigate the fields, and the fields were abandoned safely and therefore the excess water was simply drained, now there is a supply in any way

            In Crimea, there are 23 large reservoirs, which, in turn, are divided into groups: Reservoirs of natural flow and Reservoirs of the North Crimean canal.

            The total volume of all reservoirs in Crimea is 399,47 million m³, the area of ​​the water mirror is 4232,8 ha. The volume of reservoirs of natural runoff is 249,97 million m³. The volume of bulk reservoirs is 149,5 million m³.
            link
      2. Tumbleweed
        Tumbleweed 21 March 2014 13: 14
        +5
        Quote: domokl
        There now, through all the news channels, there is infa that gas ends in gas storages ... So everything is provided ...

        What surprised me most was that they (the junta) still hope that Russia will give them a 2 billion loan to pay off the debt to Gazprom belay
        Well, no matter how you call it naive, but who then? wassat
        And here is the most relish:
        Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev reported on Friday to Russian President Vladimir Putin at a Security Council meeting that the 2010 Kharkov agreements between Moscow and Kiev are subject to denunciation, Ukraine must reimburse 11 billion rubles.


        According to him, Russia has lost profits of $ 11 billion. “I believe that it is absolutely legitimate to raise the question of reimbursing these funds from the budget of Ukraine, which can be done in a judicial proceeding based on the norms of the denounced agreement,” Medvedev suggested.
        1. VAF
          VAF 21 March 2014 15: 24
          0
          [quote = tumbleweed]
          What surprised me the most was that they (the junta) still hope that Russia will give them a 2 billion loan to pay off the debt to Gazprom [/ quote]
          [quote = tumbleweed]

          And why be surprised .. they may well .. because there was a statement that .. "we will comply with all previously reached agreements" wassat

          And about the lost profits .. this case is very, very "murky" to prove, especially according to the Anglican proceedings, the persons who apply to the court must be in fact. but in fact we are. but the opposite side hde? wassat
          The Nazis say yes, we did not see and did not hear in the eyes .. and ...? request

          The same will happen when we try to demand back 3 lard "help" crying
      3. 120352
        120352 21 March 2014 13: 19
        +7
        Summer they still last, and closer to winter will begin!
        1. Simon
          Simon 21 March 2014 13: 52
          +2
          Well, in winter the government’s brains will turn right if they don’t start stealing, like a lady with a scythe, at one time. fool
          1. Native grandfather
            Native grandfather 21 March 2014 15: 01
            +1
            Quote: Simon
            Well, in winter the government’s brains will turn right if they don’t start stealing, like a lady with a scythe, at one time.

            What are we talking about? They have no government. There are only impostors who came to power on the corpses. And continuing to sow death and chaos.
        2. aleks 62
          aleks 62 21 March 2014 14: 31
          +2
          VONA returned ... Straw and gas from shit will be drowned ...
      4. platitsyn70
        platitsyn70 21 March 2014 13: 22
        +3
        you need to redirect gas flows through Belarus and the northern stream and stop pumping through Ukraine, I wonder how much gas they have enough.
        1. Sergh
          Sergh 21 March 2014 13: 35
          +3
          Quote: platitsyn70
          need to redirect gas flows through Belarus and the northern stream

          The Nord Stream works at a capacity of 30 percent, there is an abundance of gas for the North, Europe has reduced and does not take a lot of gas, the savings are absolute, each glass of gas considers
          1. aleks 62
            aleks 62 21 March 2014 14: 34
            +2
            This winter is warm for them .... Norwegian gas is very expensive and the deposits are already depleted ... So that Geyropa will not go anywhere, only time is needed ...
        2. Orik
          Orik 21 March 2014 13: 46
          +4
          Quote: platitsyn70
          you need to redirect gas flows through Belarus and the northern stream and stop pumping through Ukraine, I wonder how much gas they have enough.

          Gas supplies in 2013 to the geyropu through Ukraine 83,7 billion cubic meters, Belarus 33, joint venture 21. The second joint venture branch was introduced, the throughput capacity will increase to 55, but the balance of 50 billion cubic meters or more than 30% of the gas supplied can be delivered to Europe only through Ukraine, and so on, until 2015, when the SO with a capacity of 63 billion cubic meters is fully operational.
        3. Simon
          Simon 21 March 2014 13: 54
          +3
          The South Stream must be done faster, then the Ukrainian government will become more accommodating. tongue
          1. nnz226
            nnz226 21 March 2014 14: 05
            +3
            Moreover, it can now be laid cheaper - through the Crimea. Sea (the most expensive part of the pipe) is reduced by almost 60%
      5. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 March 2014 14: 04
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        that gas ends in gas storages ...

        Hi Sanya! These are their problems and Europe, we have nothing to do with it. Let them sway, we pump gas, they don’t pay, there is a northern stream.
      6. aleks 62
        aleks 62 21 March 2014 14: 27
        0
        Where did he go .. ???? They used to say that enough for a year .... I think VONA has already pushed ....
      7. vjhbc
        vjhbc 30 March 2014 13: 45
        0
        I just realized the meaning of the saying (who is not jumping that mo-sk-al) there is no gas but you need to get warm here and why should mo-sk-al jump his body gas that is
    2. Arhj
      Arhj 21 March 2014 12: 59
      +6
      I thought so too. The Ukrainian economic miracle has begun and this is only the beginning. Now they will sign the Euro-association and will live like in Europe. We have forgotten one thing - Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina are also Europe. And in Ukraine everything will be "like in Greece".
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      2. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 21 March 2014 13: 14
        +4
        And how will Russia stop giving gas volumes for Ukraine due to debts and the unauthorized selection of gas will begin, how then will European officials sing with their sanctions ?!
        Will they also support U Krajina with its "legitimate" and contitutive "leadership?
        1. Lantau
          Lantau 21 March 2014 13: 26
          +2
          And how will Russia stop giving gas volumes for Ukraine

          Transition to prepayment. Miller has already spoken about this.
        2. aleks 62
          aleks 62 21 March 2014 14: 36
          0
          ... I agree ... But they won’t immediately sing .. They also have gas storages, but when they suck them, then .... In general, we buy popcorn, wait and see ..
      3. Simon
        Simon 21 March 2014 13: 56
        +1
        Most likely, as in Euro ... ne. lol
    3. 120352
      120352 21 March 2014 13: 17
      +5
      You can easily overlap. To release gas to Slovakia only for domestic needs, and they will begin to speculate, raise their price.
      In general, the idea of ​​"reverse throttle" sounds not even childish, but simply moronic. Example. I sold you, say, potatoes at 20 rubles per kg, and will you sell them to your neighbor at 10 rubles per kg? This is a direct loss for you. And Ukraine is counting on this! Who needs to keep it?
      1. Simon
        Simon 21 March 2014 13: 59
        +1
        So Europe was going to contain it, and so let them contain it. Their crisis will then go even faster. laughing
    4. bvi1965
      bvi1965 21 March 2014 14: 27
      +1
      Of course, Slovakia is also Russian, the reverse is most likely that they will also take gas from our pipe, and the Slovaks will pay for it. and the outskirts will owe money to them.
  2. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov 21 March 2014 12: 52
    +9
    Firewood in Ukraine will rise in price
    1. Orik
      Orik 21 March 2014 12: 56
      +2
      Quote: serega.fedotov
      Firewood in Ukraine will rise in price

      What kind of firewood was there, they used to drown with coal before. Aunt for gas in the winter gives 450 hryvnia, almost 50% of the pension.
      1. Simon
        Simon 21 March 2014 14: 09
        +1
        No shit to yourself !!! Also pay utility bills, but what money to eat? Brothers Ukrainians! You are thrown into extinction, the European and American people demand a 50% reduction in pensions when receiving loans. "My God," where did you get into? Well, why the heck is such a Europe. fool
    2. Lantau
      Lantau 21 March 2014 13: 01
      +3
      Quote: serega.fedotov
      Firewood in Ukraine will rise in price

      What kind of firewood? All firewood in Siberia !!!
      1. Simon
        Simon 21 March 2014 14: 11
        0
        No, we won’t let them into Siberia, we’ll make it a park, and let them sort it out themselves. laughing
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    5. 120352
      120352 21 March 2014 13: 23
      +2
      Yes, firewood in the steppe is a big shortage! How would they send troops to our Yamal! (Joke).
    6. Simon
      Simon 21 March 2014 14: 00
      +1
      So, for a long time! The forest will end quickly. laughing
  3. lelikas
    lelikas 21 March 2014 12: 52
    +11
    No legs, no jump rope .....
    1. Orik
      Orik 21 March 2014 12: 59
      +19
      Quote: lelikas
      No legs, no jump rope .....

      And who does not jump that mo. The circle is closed. laughing
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 21 March 2014 13: 05
        +7
        Quote: Orik
        And who does not jump that mo. The circle is closed.

        Ahh insidious type - guessed rebus laughing
  4. propolsky
    propolsky 21 March 2014 12: 54
    +8
    Well, here are the economic results of the coup - the people did not live better ... It is a pity, he did not deserve this share!
    1. Ural guys
      Ural guys 21 March 2014 13: 00
      +3
      Yes, people are sorry, but why is he still silent?
      Yesterday they showed a reportage on Channel 24, there was a combined reportage on their own Ukraine, and so ordinary citizens are sharply critical of the new government, but they are afraid to go out on the street and say "NO".
      Maybe they hope for improvements, so no, it’s not expected.
      So what prevents them from sweeping away this not a legitimate government ?!
      1. 120352
        120352 21 March 2014 13: 27
        +3
        The bandits seized power, and they are armed. Where to go in! Missed, poor fellow! All hoped for Russia. Now. please yourself. We will help if anything. But not like aggressors!
      2. aleks 62
        aleks 62 21 March 2014 14: 42
        +2
        It’s good to sit and clatter on the clave !!!! And on the street there are 15-17-year-old thugs who believe in their impunity ... The cops have eliminated themselves (they’re also afraid), it’s necessary differently ... Help is needed or a message from an older brother, so that people know that they will not leave and will help (example Crimea)....
        1. Saratoga833
          Saratoga833 21 March 2014 17: 55
          0
          For the good of these 15-17-year-olds, one should not judge, much less kill, but first, take off your pants, kick the belt with a train belt (a very pedagogical method) and send to dad and mom. Impunity will be greatly reduced! But those who sent these boobies need to be dealt with seriously, without discounts no matter what!
        2. Alekseev
          Alekseev 21 March 2014 19: 28
          0
          Quote: aleks 62
          It’s good to sit and clatter on the clave !!!! And on the street flocks 15-17 year old thugs,

          Of course, who is easy in Ukraine now?
          But unfortunately, there is no easy way.
          Russia cannot occupy the entire left-bank and Odessa with Bessarabia. This is too much a risk, both military and economic, and by no means everyone in today's Ukraine will scream cheers! And how will a couple of thousands of these 15-17 year old scumbags slam, what will their parents and relatives sing?
          There is a basis for dissatisfaction with the psychological banderlogs that seized power in Kiev. But she must be plowed. Let the plows be Russian, but the plowmen must be local.
    2. Ural guys
      Ural guys 21 March 2014 13: 00
      +1
      Yes, people are sorry, but why is he still silent?
      Yesterday they showed a reportage on Channel 24, there was a combined reportage on their own Ukraine, and so ordinary citizens are sharply critical of the new government, but they are afraid to go out on the street and say "NO".
      Maybe they hope for improvements, so no, it’s not expected.
      So what prevents them from sweeping away this not a legitimate government ?!
    3. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather 21 March 2014 13: 27
      +14
      Quote: propolsky
      people did not live better ... It is a pity, he did not deserve this share!

      Maybe enough to spare them already? Is it not they who did not give a damn about their veterans, who did not spare their lives for their sake in the war against the Nazis? Didn’t they bring up Bendera men with all the codes? Have they not perverted the consciousness of the young generation in schools and kindergartens? Who was the teacher in Ukrainian schools? Did their teachers not receive education in Soviet times? Don't their teachers know the history and exploits of their grandfathers and fathers? Why then did their children in the lessons of history and literature in every possible way poison their consciousness with fascist ideology? Who is to blame for all this? Putin and the Russians? That's why they danced, they get it. And now they grabbed their heads, hid behind the stoves and asked Russia to go tanks against their own children. Enough of pity. They want to rise. Rise - we will help. If they don’t get up, don’t hesitate and then they stick behind the stove and drown the straw stove.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 21 March 2014 13: 50
        +6
        Quote: Native grandfather
        Enough of pity. They want to rise. Rise - we will help.

        Yes sir!
        So my mother-in-law verbs, they say, everything will be fine, Putin will take us. lol
        As if they are a bag of potatoes. But she is an elderly person, she is excusable, and she will be taken away, but not Putin, but her daughter with me.
        But quite mature about what they thought? One tells me: I looked at my daughter’s history textbook, was horrified at what they write there. Horrified? So it was necessary to bring up children. And then Europe began to yell ... the arrogant smugs.
      2. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 21 March 2014 18: 05
        0
        1000 "+"
    4. max702
      max702 21 March 2014 13: 32
      +7
      She just deserved it! For twenty years they bit a hand that feeds and spat on the well from which they drank .. They deserved one-way!
    5. Simon
      Simon 21 March 2014 14: 13
      0
      Oh! Guys - will there still be? recourse
  5. Kodar 75
    Kodar 75 21 March 2014 12: 54
    +28
    Quote: serega.fedotov
    Firewood in Ukraine will rise in price
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      1. Docent1984
        Docent1984 21 March 2014 13: 10
        +3
        No, the photo doesn’t roll) This figure has nothing like that, from Julia only a braid))) And for the idea PLUS)
      2. Coffee_time
        Coffee_time 21 March 2014 13: 12
        +17
        Now no pipe
      3. Egen
        Egen 21 March 2014 13: 51
        +3
        In today's Komsomol on 7 page, a photo of cured Yulia and how she was torn on Maidan in a wheelchair. Such an impression, such a contrast, as if in a clinic in Germany she had something cut out and she became an obedient oligophrenic :)
        1. Saratoga833
          Saratoga833 21 March 2014 18: 14
          +1
          This Julia is far from oligophrenic! It just behaves like a buffoon, but in reality it’s a thief and a snake that you won’t find right away!
    2. Alex Nick
      Alex Nick 21 March 2014 12: 58
      +3
      And firewood in Siberia. Again to go to us.
      1. 120352
        120352 21 March 2014 13: 30
        +2
        Firewood, say? For the price of gas, please. Delivery at your expense + customs wrap, total, a little more expensive than gold ...
        1. Simon
          Simon 21 March 2014 14: 17
          0
          And it is possible and more expensive. laughing
    3. xbhxbr-777
      xbhxbr-777 21 March 2014 13: 16
      +2
      They don’t have firewood either, the coal is running out, let's see what happens next!
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  6. Az_esm
    Az_esm 21 March 2014 12: 55
    +2
    What's the discount ?! For the basing of the fleet ?! So it is based on Russian territory! So - at general prices ...
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  8. bubalik
    bubalik 21 March 2014 12: 56
    +10
    Ukraine has lost gas discounts for basing the Black Sea Fleet

    ,,, yes they will take it openly ,,, according to rEvolutionary time ,,,
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 21 March 2014 14: 29
      0
      http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/276935/boyikot_nash_otvet_na_agressiyu_v_sumah_p
      rizyvayut_ne_pokupat_rossiyiskie_tovary_fotoreportajvideo
  9. AleksPol
    AleksPol 21 March 2014 12: 57
    +10
    And for what now they have a discount? For the prohibition of the Russian language? For the persecution of Russians? Attacks on Russia? The only eastern regions are a pity. And so let them revel in independence
    1. alex-s
      alex-s 21 March 2014 13: 19
      +1
      And for what now they have a discount? For the prohibition of the Russian language? For the persecution of Russians? Attacks on Russia?

      For this, they need to do an extra charge!
  10. Chifka
    Chifka 21 March 2014 12: 57
    +8
    Can instead of a discount for the fleet make them a discount for the Russian Armed Forces? Enter troops and throw off for it ....
  11. starpom
    starpom 21 March 2014 12: 58
    +9
    I can only say one thing - they survived
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  13. darksoul
    darksoul 21 March 2014 13: 00
    +3
    The Ukrainian government is jumping from one foot to the other, as if we are .. in Russia, this condition is called a shock, but what should ordinary people do?
    1. ARS56
      ARS56 21 March 2014 13: 15
      +5
      But ordinary people get together and demolish this government, and not rely on a good neighbor who must go under bullets and sanctions in order to later hear from the liberated - the invaders do not let the geyropu ...
      Remove the Bandera-American government, join the Customs Union, or better - following the example of the Crimea, and everything will be for "ordinary citizens", no worse than in Russia (ie, better than in Poland, for example).
    2. ARS56
      ARS56 21 March 2014 13: 15
      +1
      But ordinary people get together and demolish this government, and not rely on a good neighbor who must go under bullets and sanctions in order to later hear from the liberated - the invaders do not let the geyropu ...
      Remove the Bandera-American government, join the Customs Union, or better - following the example of the Crimea, and everything will be for "ordinary citizens", no worse than in Russia (ie, better than in Poland, for example).
    3. alex-s
      alex-s 21 March 2014 13: 21
      0
      and ordinary people what to do?

      Wow .. such a government! angry
    4. 120352
      120352 21 March 2014 13: 33
      0
      And it’s time for ordinary people to hold a referendum!
      1. aleks 62
        aleks 62 21 March 2014 14: 57
        0
        Who will give ????
  14. Gloria45
    Gloria45 21 March 2014 13: 01
    +3
    People feel sorry anyway. Panas are fighting, but at the slaves
    forelocks are cracking.
  15. Name
    Name 21 March 2014 13: 01
    +22
    Ouch ... Ukraine, yes gas, yes through Slovakia from the EU, and for 410 dollars ... Ha ha ha .... tongue Although...:
  16. awg75
    awg75 21 March 2014 13: 01
    +3
    laughter and only !!!!!!!!! we are talking about some prices --- pay anyway Ukraine IS NOT GOING AT ALL !!!! then they will present us a price list for the Crimea from a couple of three trillion and say: deduct from your debt. while gas still goes to Europe through their pipe, they will not pay at all, and this is absolute truth.
    1. Midshipman
      Midshipman 21 March 2014 13: 12
      +4
      In this case, for Europe, level 3 sanctions will mirror - close the valve (closer to winter).
    2. Mainbeam
      Mainbeam 21 March 2014 13: 18
      +1
      Likely, it is spelled out in the contract at what debt the crane is closed. In my opinion, this was already during the last Maidan. But Europe will not let them gas; I don’t want to freeze myself. And Germany is in no hurry to pay for Ukrainian mistakes. And I have to ...
      1. bvi1965
        bvi1965 21 March 2014 15: 03
        +1
        Europe will not allow to block the pipe, or rather we ourselves will not close it. you just have to let in as much gas as Europe paid for. And if the output is not enough, let the Ukrainians ask.
  17. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 21 March 2014 13: 03
    +3
    it’s a pity that everything will fall on ordinary people! Got Game! But you can understand our side! Enough for the radicals! I had to think with my head and not 5 points!
    1. Docent1984
      Docent1984 21 March 2014 13: 12
      +2
      The fact is that ordinary people before the lantern will have, at what price the gas will cross the border of the Rostov region. It will be equally expensive for them. The egg will take all the difference)
    2. IGS
      IGS 21 March 2014 13: 26
      +1
      They also block us without warning. Master-card and Visa today stopped servicing our two banks. It is time for us to apply retaliatory measures. In another branch there was a list of companies whose goods are not worth buying, because they belong to the West. Such a big list, I was still indignant that virtually all of them, nothing of ours. Here's a little list and go. Fortunately, the pens were untied. It is possible in order, but you can close your eyes and poke, to be honest laughing
      PS Already three banks. The economic war begins. Sadly, it was worth the wait.
      1. Gloria45
        Gloria45 21 March 2014 14: 02
        0
        And you know with banks everywhere is fun
        France almost does not give money to its citizens,
        and from those that are on deposits the state takes 10%,
        Italy is also good if, for example, someone came for money
        the transfer of state raking in 20% of any amount ...
        And in the world community of bankers, as I already wrote, 28
        suicides (or not suicides) in 2 months, why would it?
        1. IGS
          IGS 21 March 2014 14: 43
          +1
          They need to write off debts, and urgently, they are in time trouble. We need a war, like the Second World War, but without nuclear weapons, so they want to grow a new Hitler in Ukraine. Only now Russia, I think, does not want to bear the brunt of the losses again. IMHO.
    3. Simon
      Simon 21 March 2014 14: 22
      0
      And at least do-do not give a discount on gas, in any case, the radicals themselves will live well, and the people will suffer. In any case, they rob the people.
  18. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 21 March 2014 13: 05
    +1
    Extra ....
  19. Capyar 48315
    Capyar 48315 21 March 2014 13: 05
    0
    ... "But there is a risk that we may not receive (discounts.

    To risky guys! Right up to the last hope for a miracle. Right now they will start to beg for gas from Europe - but they will certainly help - at friendly, exclusive prices
    1. 120352
      120352 21 March 2014 13: 35
      0
      Only prices will be one and a half times higher than ours.
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  21. The shy man
    The shy man 21 March 2014 13: 11
    +15
    Why should Russia fight with us ?? .. we ourselves will do everything ..
    1. xbhxbr-777
      xbhxbr-777 21 March 2014 13: 22
      +5
      Russia will never fight with Ukraine !!! But with the junta, which, sold, and humiliates its own people ..... Of course, they themselves must do something. negative
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    3. rugor
      rugor 21 March 2014 13: 46
      0
      Unfortunately you are right
    4. Simon
      Simon 21 March 2014 14: 23
      +1
      Make friends, and we will help!
  22. Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha 21 March 2014 13: 12
    +4
    It is necessary not to deprive the discounts, but rather to bring the northern stream to its design capacity and close the pipe crane through Ukraine until the debt is returned. To curtail projects and agreements reached earlier in all sectors ... Simply put, deprive the junta of economic support.
    Of course, it's a pity for ordinary people in the street, but ... guys, we are not playing "beers".
  23. Valentine77 64
    Valentine77 64 21 March 2014 13: 13
    +1
    "On the territory of the Rostov region, a pipeline was discovered through which fuel and lubricants were pumped to Ukraine," the Southern Customs Administration reported.
    1. smurnoi
      smurnoi 21 March 2014 13: 48
      0
      And they are discovered every year. They throw a two-inch pipe and drive gasoline to the other side. With gas, such a trick will not work. If only roll cylinders.
    2. aleks 62
      aleks 62 21 March 2014 15: 08
      0
      ..Mafia rules ... Her borders are nothing ...
  24. kelevra
    kelevra 21 March 2014 13: 17
    0
    We jumped, and what prevented us from acting humanly and culturally!
  25. redka
    redka 21 March 2014 13: 18
    0
    Just old people feel sorry. There are normal people there, and now because of these ..., even there are no words what to call them, the people are suffering.
    1. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather 21 March 2014 13: 34
      0
      Quote: redka
      Just old people feel sorry. There are normal people there, and now because of these ..., even there are no words what to call them, the people are suffering.

      Maidan in their hands and go.
  26. kafa
    kafa 21 March 2014 13: 39
    +2
    these characters in Kiev are clearly not human. and undead campaign recourse
  27. Voenruk
    Voenruk 21 March 2014 13: 43
    0
    Yurka sold!))) What do you believe him and the authorities of Kiev do not believe. All their laws of nonsense)
  28. VladimS
    VladimS 21 March 2014 13: 50
    0
    Quote: rolling the field
    Peremoga !!! But they are even closer to independence from Russia. wassat
    They are now discussing reverse gas supplies from Slovakia ... True, the Slovaks do not block their needs in half, and at the price of something almost more than $ 500 comes out.
    By the way, all this "reverse" gas is also Russian and I think there is a way to "close the valve" wink

    But I just don't understand! Why can't they, having agreed with the same Slovakia or Germany, just minus the gas that Ukraine needs by agreement with them? Why drive it back and forth, and the "pipe" pumping to the return line does not pump as provided. What for? There are metering points everywhere on the borders of the gas system.
    They will steal as before. Flies to me.
    1. shades
      shades 21 March 2014 15: 41
      0
      In fact, the vaunted reverse works this way, Ukraine simply buys European gas and keeps it, but this is a violation of the treaty, because Russia pays for gas transit to the borders of Europe and this is a fraud for the amount of transit, that's why they call it "reverse".
  29. Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 21 March 2014 14: 03
    0
    Ukraine and the European Union signed the political part of the Ukraine-EU Association Agreement "on the sidelines" of the two-day EU summit in Brussels. The signing of the document took place without the presence of the press, notes "Interfax-Ukraine". .......... How on behalf of the people, without asking? AND
  30. rasputin17
    rasputin17 21 March 2014 14: 20
    0
    Now they associate themselves with a geyropa so let them pay as a geyropa !!!!
  31. ksenofont7
    ksenofont7 21 March 2014 14: 21
    +1
    Quote: ARS56
    But ordinary people get together and demolish this government, and not rely on a good neighbor who must go under bullets and sanctions in order to later hear from the liberated - the invaders do not let the geyropu ...
    Remove the Bandera-American government, join the Customs Union, or better - following the example of the Crimea, and everything will be for "ordinary citizens", no worse than in Russia (ie, better than in Poland, for example).
    CORRECT THOUGHT SUPPORTING hi
  32. Zomanus
    Zomanus 21 March 2014 14: 23
    0
    And now the question. What will the new authorities be ready for closer to summer? I think that force methods nafig. The Crimean scenario with polite people will not work either. But it will be possible to ask, persistently, to consider the idea of ​​confederation. That is, you make us a confederation, we make you a discount. The main thing is to do all this extremely politely. Politeness today is the main feature of Russia.
  33. Ivan Russky
    Ivan Russky 21 March 2014 14: 29
    +2
    The dream of the outskirts comes true, now they will pay for gas in Europe.
  34. pensioner
    pensioner 21 March 2014 14: 33
    0
    After the annexation of Crimea to Russia, a discount on gas for Ukraine for basing the Black Sea Fleet cannot be applied, said Dmitry Peskov, press secretary of the Russian President. "There is no such thing as a gas discount for Ukraine for basing the Black Sea Fleet. Now it can not be applied either de jure or de facto," Peskov said.

    what In the course of Obama and others, Miller should have been added to the sanction lists under No. 1 ... He had a strong combination ...
    1. shades
      shades 21 March 2014 15: 49
      0
      Yeah) and then everyone who wants to negotiate with Gazprom will be forced to come to Russia. Themselves Evil Pinocchio.
    2. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 21 March 2014 18: 34
      +1
      Now the Black Sea Fleet is based on the territory of Russia. So what can be the board? For what? Can they pay for a naval base in Murmansk or in Vladivostok? I don’t see a fundamental difference.
  35. Delink
    Delink 21 March 2014 14: 35
    0
    They want the Crimea to turn off electricity. Let the dogs work out for this amount. In the meantime, we will build a line. We will invest money where necessary.
  36. corporal
    corporal 21 March 2014 14: 42
    0
    People, a little off topic, I want to ask everything: what kind of saying is this: "who does not jump, he ... b"? I'm somewhere about ... l ?? Or is it that Banderlogians recognize their jumps?
  37. Leader
    Leader 21 March 2014 14: 50
    0
    Quote: Zomanus
    That is, you make us a confederation, we make you a discount.

    Why the hell do we need them? May they be independent!
    As in the slogan of the Baltic nedobitok: "Let the hungry, but free." The Latvian authorities considered that by 2040. in Latvia there will be less Latvians than Russian speakers. Ethnic "citizens" scurry to the West.
  38. visitor
    visitor 21 March 2014 15: 14
    0
    they are so warm laughing , who doesn’t ride that b (means there is gas and it’s warm)
  39. mamont5
    mamont5 21 March 2014 15: 20
    0
    "But there is a risk that we may not receive (discounts. - IF) $ 100, which we should receive, based on the agreement on the basing of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Ukraine," the minister said.

    What insight, he is absolutely right.
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  40. Cristall
    Cristall 21 March 2014 19: 57
    0
    Denunciation of the Kharkov agreements unilaterally? (I heard that our wanted but did not officially denounce)
    It is clear that to pay for what you can not pay in fact is true. But denunciation of agreements is serious.
    I don’t understand here everyone is happy and dancing. The prevailing opinion is that they themselves will crawl ... but not creep. Because we are more stubborn than all stubborn. The same Russians but Ukrainians. The most patient and stubborn people. And I look in the world no one crawled from the economic blockade - they die but do not crawl.
    On the one hand, it turns out funny-- my wife raised the tariffs (well, if you compare), my friend’s brother presses her economically, relatives crush relatives ...
    yes, why am I making such a silly comparison ... you can have fun, use the mopiness and loyalty of the majority of Ukrainians who do not want to fight with the Russian Federation, crush them economically while it is possible (you will not punish the memory, they do not have gas consumption like SE)
    can rejoice - punished banderlogov ...
    There is only one conclusion - an ordinary "little" Ukrainian will pay for everything ... who was not asked anything, who did not decide anything, who worked ...
    Kharkov, Donbass, Lugansk will pay Zaporozhye metallurgists and port workers ... I don’t think that Lviv, IF and Ternopol will be greatly offended.
    The result is one - the whole country is impoverished equally ... but it will not creep. Will die.
    I do not put pressure on pity, just a realist.