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Crimea began the acceptance of military equipment and personnel

Morning in Crimea yesterday began with the outcome of the conflict situation that occurred the day before. The prosecutor's office of the peninsula reported that Rear Admiral Sergei Haiduk, temporarily detained by the head of the Ukrainian Navy, and seven other activists from among the supporters of the new Kiev government were released. The transfer of the admiral, literally as in spy detectives, occurred in the area of ​​the village of Chongar at checkpoints.


Earlier in the night, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu officially asked the Crimean leadership to release Sergei Haiduk.

“The Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Army General Sergei Shoigu, appealed to the leadership of the Republic of Crimea to release the detained commander of the Ukrainian Navy, Rear Admiral Sergei Haiduk, and not to hinder his departure to the territory of Ukraine, the Russian military told RG.

Recall that the day before, after Admiral Haiduk left the naval headquarters in Sevastopol, he was asked to go to the prosecutor's office of the Crimea. The investigating authorities of the republic reported that they had questions to the admiral, who "transmitted to the military units of Ukraine the order that came from Kiev to apply weapon against civilians. "

At the same time, the head of the Russian military department, Sergei Shoigu, addressing his Crimean colleagues, drew attention to the fact that Sergei Gaiduk was forced to follow orders from his leadership, obeying military regulations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Apparently, other Ukrainian servicemen who refused to remain on the peninsula will leave Crimea after the admiral. And they will have to go without equipment and weapons. Prime Minister Sergei Aksyonov declared this arsenal the property of the republic and ordered an inventory of the army and naval property.

Apparently, for some time, the former military camps of the Ukrainian army, along with their headquarters, barracks, technical parks and warehouses, will be under the authority and under the protection of the forces of the self-defense detachments. And as new structures of the Ministry of Defense of Russia are formed in the Crimea, garrison farming will be handed over to its representatives.

This does not mean at all that the soldiers and officers who swore allegiance to the republic will be replaced by the military from the "mainland." Those who came into operation seriously, for a long time and have the appropriate professional skills, will continue to serve now in the Russian army, including in command posts. However, it is clear that you cannot reliably hide the peninsula only with this contingent; in any case, you will have to create a varietal army group with your own aviation, air defense system, land and other components. Least of all problems awaits the sailors. The Black Sea Fleet has infrastructure in the Crimea; plans for the development of its ship and ground grouping have long been approved. Correcting them taking into account the Ukrainian marine equipment and infrastructure located on the peninsula will certainly not be difficult for our admirals. Prior to the recognition of the independence of Crimea, there were 15 surface ships and auxiliary vessels in the Ukrainian Navy, as well as one diesel submarine Zaporozhye of the Varshavyanka type. In addition, the arsenal of coastal units numbered about 40 tanks, about 180 BMPs, BMDs and MTLBs, as well as 230 BTR-80s and about 100 different artillery mounts. As part of naval aviation, there were about 10 aircraft, 60 multipurpose Mi-8s and Ka-25, Ka-27 and other anti-submarine helicopters. It is difficult to say which of this arsenal is actually located on the peninsula.

Therefore, first of all, our military will have to clearly understand what kind of "legacy" they have got. As the correspondent of "RG" found out, the special commission of the Ministry of Defense will most likely take care of this issue. They will include representatives of various species and genera, as well as industrialists. The first will appreciate the state of military camps, the second - the condition of the equipment and armaments there. It is possible that the army infrastructure of the Crimean garrisons will require some kind of rework. As for the arsenal, this is clearly not limited to “cosmetic” measures.

It’s easy to judge in what a deplorable form Ukrainian military generals kept their battle park by the now former 204 fighter airbase in Belbek. Recall that from the 45 of the MiG-29 planes available there and the four L-39 training aircraft, only five vehicles could fly — a link of “MiGs” and one “Elka”. Perhaps, some of this aircraft our military after the repair will include in the combat composition of the Air Force. Everything will depend on the degree of wear of fighters. But the Sparky L-39 defense ministry is unlikely to be needed. There are almost no such flight desks in the military aviation schools of Russia, they are now actively being replaced with modern Yak-130 combat training aircraft. Spending money on the restoration of the old "elok", to overtake this junk on the airfields of universities of the Air Force does not make sense. Therefore, at best, the aircraft will be transferred to DOSAAF, and most likely they will simply be disposed of.

Experts assess the situation with the Ukrainian ground equipment, systems and air defense systems not so critically. They say that with proper repair and maintenance, it can serve more than one year. However, the final word here for the military and industrialists.

In recent days, on the peninsula, they talk a lot about local recruits. Several thousand of these guys are now pulling the strap in the Ukrainian army, and local authorities, together with their parents, are puzzled how to get the guys home. Of the units of the Crimean people, they are not allowed to go and in every way "press" those who do not want to serve the self-proclaimed Kiev bosses. It can be assumed that maydanovtsy will make the guys the subject of bargaining: for example, they will agree to release them in exchange for the same military equipment. Just so, we will remind, in due time the terrorist Khattab did with the captured Russian soldiers. But Bandera is not far from him.

The situation with the service of young Crimeans in the Russian army is much clearer. The RG correspondent’s Ministry of Defense was assured that none of them would be invited to the line this spring. The draft plan in the General Staff approved, and no one will rule it. Especially since putting the guys in line with an “automatic” will not work anyway. On the peninsula, at first, it is necessary to change the system of military registration, each future soldier must receive Russian citizenship, undergo other mandatory procedures in this situation. But in the fall of 2014, the Crimean recruits may well replenish the armed forces.
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  1. Tumbleweed
    Tumbleweed 21 March 2014 12: 14
    +7
    And they will have to go without equipment and weapons.

    All the same, "put the squeeze" on, I will not argue. The ships are worth it and then only so that the enemies do not get it, and not as a valuable acquisition, but machine guns and 23 unattended armored personnel carriers could have been given ...

    Now banderlogs are howling at this:

    09: 06Russian occupiers took control
    Naval Medical Center in Sevastopol and conduct an inventory of 3816


    They said goodbye to the ships yesterday winked
    1. jjj
      jjj 21 March 2014 12: 17
      0
      Quote: tumbleweed
      could have been given ...

      For scrap
    2. cerbuk6155
      cerbuk6155 21 March 2014 12: 23
      +29
      In no case should you give anything back. Otherwise, one of the Russians will be killed from these weapons. You cannot arm them yourself. soldier
    3. cerbuk6155
      cerbuk6155 21 March 2014 12: 23
      +1
      In no case should you give anything back. Otherwise, one of the Russians will be killed from these weapons. You cannot arm them yourself. soldier
      1. Tumbleweed
        Tumbleweed 21 March 2014 12: 46
        +8
        I liked that the process of formation of troops in the Crimea as part of South-East Military District is already beginning. And a decision has already been made that Crimea’s self-defense troops will participate in the May 9 Victory Parade in Moscow good

        Media: Crimean self-defense was offered to participate in the May 9 parade in Moscow
        21 March 2014, 11: 12


        State Duma deputy Roman Khudyakov sent an appeal addressed to the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergey Shoigu, in which he proposed to organize the participation of Crimean self-defense during the parade on Red Square on May 9.
      2. RUSLAN39
        RUSLAN39 21 March 2014 12: 51
        0
        Given Ukraine’s attitude to its fleet, it’s better not to heat up the situation, but to transfer the remnants of the Black Sea Fleet to the Russian Federation will be more complete.
    4. W1950
      W1950 21 March 2014 12: 57
      +9
      Only the author of the article was mistaken. The submarine "Zaporozhye" project 641 cannot be "Varshavyanka" project 636.
      1. StolzSS
        StolzSS 21 March 2014 18: 41
        0
        Yes, you’re right in my opinion there was some kind of junk, on her metal, but tugboats and boats will come in handy yet.
  2. Sergg
    Sergg 21 March 2014 12: 16
    +16
    It makes me glad, very happy that the Crimea very quickly, swiftly shakes off the dust of the Euromaidan, and becomes a full-fledged region of Russia.
  3. jjj
    jjj 21 March 2014 12: 16
    +36
    I do not believe in the total loyalty and combat effectiveness of the former Ukrainian military. All of them must be passed through strict filtering. Military counterintelligence ahead of the endless work
    1. Rodover
      Rodover 21 March 2014 20: 35
      0
      Totally agree with you.
  4. donavi49
    donavi49 21 March 2014 12: 19
    +15
    At the moment, under the Andreevsky Flag:
    - control ship "Donbass" (former PM, and now it housed the Naval Operations Center of the Ukrainian Navy)
    - rescue tug "Kremenets" (the newest MB 714 pr Finnish, 83 years old, at the Black Sea Fleet there are 2 tugs of this project)
    - fire-fighting boat "Borshchiv" (so-so, but was alive)
    - corvette "Khmelnitsky" (converted Lightning with 4x1 400 mm TA, instead of the Rocket Complex)
    - corvette "Lutsk" (92 years old MPK 1124M)
    - corvette "Ternopil" (2006 MPK 1124M)
    - missile boat "Priluki" (old and conditionally running 206M)
    - physical field control vessel "Severodonetsk" (conditionally underway)
    - tanker "Sudak" (live)
    1. propolsky
      propolsky 21 March 2014 12: 49
      +4
      tanker "Sudak" (live) without a word the tanker sounds best! smile
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  6. Chifka
    Chifka 21 March 2014 12: 22
    0
    It would be easier for the hike to hand over all this "equipment" to scrap metal, and to put up a new combat-ready one for the Crimea. Then, as if the Banderlog on their rusty war chariots, who knows where captured and who knows who is now being controlled, will poke their heads. At times create a clear preponderance of forces, clear and understandable to the whole world.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 21 March 2014 12: 33
      +23
      The fleet is not in the best condition, but you are wrong.

      Again, for example, the Tugboat Kremenets BETTER OUR of the same project, he ran out much less, a lot of resources, what, no VTG and maintenance was carried out. Podshamanit a little and will run on SM.

      About the IPC Ternopil is generally the newest 1124M Albatros IPC in the world and it is alive, it was watched (the only combat ship built in Ukraine, in fact).

      And so much more. Why throw away what is useful now? It seems to me that at the SEA Plant you can still try to finish building the 2 MPK ave. 11451 (we only have VLADIMIRETS in the line) they are there in 95% and 80% ready - there will be a fast connection from 3 ships to the Black Sea Fleet, albeit not the best, but this connection will be actually for nothing (the cars are there, the GAS is lowered there is weak, you can take another one from the presence, put the TA, the radar or the DON, or slap a new one).
      1. TRex
        TRex 21 March 2014 12: 42
        +5
        At the "More" plant, it is necessary to start production of the Zubr airborne aircraft for the needs of the Russian Navy ... Let me remind you that there are none at all at the Black Sea Fleet (apparently there is no need for amphibious operations ???), and there are two ancient "Dzheyrans" write-off by service life and condition. The plant is currently actively riveting DKVP for China ... and not only "rivets", but also transfers technology !!! Production plans need to be slightly adjusted.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 21 March 2014 12: 49
          +5
          So the second Bison was taken out literally in front of the polite. This is for China. The contract is completed.

          It's different here, but do you need the Bison of the Navy (now it seems that only MFs and Kocheshkov live on the BF)?

          In general, the Sea can not only do the Bison, but also a lot of things.

          Here is the IPC.
        2. Roman 1977
          Roman 1977 21 March 2014 12: 50
          +2
          So, yesterday I wrote about this, but it can be repeated, events are breaking apart with kaleidoscopic speed:
          Currently, the naval staff of the Ukrainian Navy is blocked in three bays of the Crimea.
          1. Sevastopol (Northern) Bay:
          - Corvette "Ternopil" U209
          - Control ship "Slavutich" U510
          - Sea tug "Korets" U830
          - Tug "Krasnoperekopsk" U947
          2. Streletskaya bay of Sevastopol:
          - Submarine "Zaporozhye" U01
          - Priluki U153 Missile Boat
          - Rocket corvette "Dnieper" U155
          - Corvette "Lutsk" U205
          - Corvette "Khmelnitsky" U208
          - Ship management "Donbass" U500
          - Hydrographic boat "Skvira" U635
          - Rescue tug "Kremenets" U705
          - Search and rescue ship Izyaslav U706
          - Transport Dzhankoy U754
          - Transport Sudak U756
          - Tanker Bakhmach U759
          - Tanker Fastov U760
          - Ship degaussing Balta U811
          - Ship control physical fields Severodonetsk U812
          - Kilektorny ship "Shostka" U852
          - Plavsklad "Zolotonosha" U855
          - Tug "Dubno" U953
          - Waste collection vessel U954
          - Boat "Chigirin" U540
          - Training boat "Smila" U541
          - Training boat "New Kakhovka" U542
          - Fire boat "Borschiv" U722
          - Diving boat "Romny" U732
          - Diving boat "Tokmak" U733
          - Sanitary boat Sokal U782
          - Passenger boat "Illichivsk" U783
          - Plavkran "Kalanchak" U802
          - Boat "Korosten" U853
          - Boat U926 (SBU)
          3.New Lakes (Lake Donuzlav)
          - Corvette "Vinnitsa" U206
          - Sea minesweeper "Chernigov" U310
          - Sea minesweeper "Cherkasy" U311
          - Raid minesweeper "Genichesk" U360
          - Medium landing ship "Kirovograd" U401
          - Large landing ship "Konstantin Olshansky" U402
          - Fire-fighting boat "Evpatoria" U728
          - Transport "Gorlovka" U753
          - Sea tug "Kovel" U831
          - Anti-sabotage boat "Feodosia" U240
          - Torpedo boat "Kherson" U891
          - Tow boat "Novoozernoe" U942
          http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/132306.html#comments

          During 2012 of the year in Nikolaev the ships "Pereyaslav", "Dnieper", "Konstantin Olshansky" and "Kirovograd" were repaired.
          Of these ships, the real combat value are:
          BDK project 775 "Konstantin Olshansky" handed over to the fleet in 1985, and bolted in Donuzlav, incl. and for participation in the "Syrian Express", as well as as a temporary replacement for the similar Russian large landing craft "Caesar Kunnikov" being repaired. However, despite the fact that the ship was repaired in Nikolaev in 2012, the engines on it are already completely "killed", so much so that it cannot move under its own power.

          1. Roman 1977
            Roman 1977 21 March 2014 12: 59
            +4
            MPK project 1124M U209 "Ternopil" is the only ship fully gutted in "independent" Ukraine, commissioned on February 15, 2006, blocked in the Northern Bay of Sevastopol, and yesterday the Andreevsky flag was raised on it.

            The IPC of the 1124-M U205 Lutsk project, commissioned on December 30 of the 1993 of the year, blocked in Streletskaya Bay, Andreevsky flag was also hoisted yesterday.

            Project 1288.4 U510 control ship "Slavutich". Delivered to the Navy in 1992. It is a reconnaissance ship to illuminate the underwater situation, equipped with electronic and hydroacoustic reconnaissance equipment similar to Project 10221. In addition, according to some reports, it has equipment coupled with similar equipment of NATO ships. Was one of the most "running" ships of the Ukrainian Navy. It is one of the most valuable "prizes".

            The IPC of the 1241.2 project (Lightning-2) U208 Khmelnitsky, which went into operation in the 1985 year, was repaired in the 2011 year, and was blocked in Donuzlav, may be of some value, yesterday the Andreevsky flag was hoisted on it.

            And the missile boat, in Ukrainian terminology "missile corvette" of project 12411T ("Lightning") U155 "Pridniprov'ya", the former R-54, handed over to the fleet in 1982, being repaired as I wrote above in 2012, blocked in the Northern Bay of Sevastopol , yesterday the St. Andrew's flag was also raised on it, but the ship's disadvantage is its outdated armament - 4 P-15M anti-ship missiles.
            1. Roman 1977
              Roman 1977 21 March 2014 13: 12
              +1
              3 of the minesweeper: 2 of the 266 project: Aquamarine U310 Chernigiv, handed over to the fleet in 1974, and U311 Cherkasy, delivered to the fleet in 1976, and raid minesweeper of the 1258 Korund project Uchenum Donchem UXNUM .

              sea ​​minesweeper of the project 266M "Aquamarine" U310 "Chernigiv"
              The average landing ship of the 773 U401 Kirovograd project, the former KFOR-137, was handed over to the fleet in the 1971 year, but was repaired in the 2012 year, so it can transport personnel and military equipment in the Black Sea.

              RCA of the 206MP U153 project “Priluki”, the former P-262, raised the Andreevsky flag yesterday, handed over to the fleet in the 1979 year, and is armed with the same obsolete P-15M anti-ship missiles, all of our ships of this project have long been put up for needles, for except 2 on CFL.

              It is quite possible that a special-purpose ship of the 1824B Uglomer project U512 Pereyaslav, which entered service in the 1987 year, but was repaired in the 2012 year, may well have some value.
              1. Roman 1977
                Roman 1977 21 March 2014 13: 18
                +1
                All other warships of the Ukrainian fleet can be safely attributed to scrap metal: for example, the PSKR of the 1124P U206 Vinnitsya project, commissioned in 1976, the 11 of November 2007 of the year fell into a storm and received serious damage to the stem, from this moment it is awaiting repair and is listed in reserve at the base in Donuzlav.
                Repair an obsolete ship, which is unlikely to be 38 years old.

                About the advantages of the Ukrainian PWD chowen U01 "Zaporizhzhia"
                type "Varshavyanka"
                wassat humbly keep silent ...

                photo taken in Sevastopol on the Day of the Submariner
                Not in the best condition and auxiliary ships, with the exception of a few units.

                Now with regards to shipyards. The plant "Fiolent" is located in Feodosia, the former PO "More". The plant is working, so he completed the construction of 2 MDK project 12322 "Zubr" for the Chinese Navy. In addition to these ships, the shipyard currently houses 2 MPK project 11451, serial numbers 503 and 504 "Lugansk" (formerly MPK-231) and "Lvov" (last building of project 11451). The ships are in a sufficiently high degree of readiness, which will increase the number of the IPC of the project at the World Cup to 3.

                MPK project 11451 "Lugansk" (formerly MPK-231)


                MPK project 11451 "Lviv"
                1. Rostovchanin
                  Rostovchanin 21 March 2014 13: 45
                  +1
                  About the advantages of the Ukrainian PWD chowen U01 "Zaporizhzhia"
                  type "Varshavyanka"
                  wassat modestly keep silent ...


                  TCB can be done on its basis, there will even be nothing ...
                  1. kafa
                    kafa 21 March 2014 13: 53
                    0
                    sorry nothing will be very. for people are more expensive hi
                  2. Roman 1977
                    Roman 1977 21 March 2014 14: 10
                    0
                    The problem is that in the Black Sea, apart from the B-871 Alrosa of project 877, it was commissioned to the fleet in 1990 (age-24). From July 2011 to August 2012, it was undergoing scheduled repairs in Kronstadt. Currently he is in the OPB-Sevastopol. According to some reports, it is not capable of fighting. If this is true, then we have no submarine forces on the Black Sea!

                    There is one more diesel-electric submarine B-380 "Hero of Sevastopol Artyom Titarenko" of project 641B "Som" - delivered to the fleet in 1981. The boat is in the floating dock "PD-16" in the South Bay of Sevastopol, awaiting a decision on its further fate, i.e. completely incapable of combat.

                    Diesel-electric submarine B-380 "Hero of Sevastopol Artyom Titarenko" in the floating dock "PD-16"
                    Those. it turns out that two more combat-ready diesel-electric submarines: B-871 "Alrosa" of project 877 and B-261 "Novorossiysk" of project 636.3, which are going to be handed over to the fleet this summer, will have 2 more boats, one of which is completely incapacitated (B-380 "Hero Sevastopol Artyom Titarenko "), another very limited combat-ready (" Zaporozhye "). Don't you think this is too much? Therefore, the maximum that Zaporozhye can count on is being used as a training or floating charging station. Otherwise, at the best as a museum, at worst on pins and needles. The B-380 "Hero of Sevastopol Artyom Titarenko" is definitely on the pins and needles, since it is simply impossible to take it out of the captured German floating dock since the Great Patriotic War, otherwise it will simply fall apart, so dilapidated. They kept her only to justify replacing her in front of Ukraine in Sevastopol with one of the diesel-electric submarines under construction of project 636.3
                2. TRex
                  TRex 21 March 2014 14: 16
                  +3
                  To summarize - got a little thing and scrap metal ... mostly. I propose to finish building the IPC and call one of them "ANTI-MAIDAN" or "NON-LOOSE Memory"
          2. Mikado
            Mikado 21 March 2014 13: 00
            +2
            "Sagaidachiy" sorry did not go to "Ukraine"
            1. fisherman
              fisherman 21 March 2014 14: 12
              0
              Exactly. We don’t need 800, give 300 and 500. request
            2. Roman 1977
              Roman 1977 21 March 2014 14: 41
              +2
              Forgive me, dear Igor, but why do we need this "Hetman Saigak Dachny", the practical combat value of which, with all due respect to the Project 1135 TFR, is practically zero? That was?

              This is the former Soviet PSKR project 1135.1 ("Nereus"), the only plus of which is that it carries a search and rescue helicopter Ka-27PS, there are no anti-ship missiles, air defense is extremely weak: 1х2 - PU ZIF-122 SAM "Osa-MA2" (20 SAM).
              As a PLO ship, its value is also extremely low, the project 1135 Ladny (under repair, project 1135M Pytlivy) SKR and Project XNUMXM Pytlivy (in service) are now available on the Black Sea Fleet with the Rastrub-B PLURK (in service). it's much better with her.

              SKR "Ladny" project 1135

              SKR "Pytlivy" project 1135M
              Moreover, this year the Black Sea Fleet is to hand over the Project 11356 frigate Admiral Grigorovich, which covers the Dachny Saiga like a sheep.

              In fact, in terms of its combat characteristics, it is inferior even to the Turkish Burak corvettes, the former French D'Estienne d'Orves (6 units), built in the 70s of the last century, armed with 2 missile launchers Exocet MM38;
              Bulgarian frigates of the "Willingen" class, the former Belgian (3 units) - 4 launchers of the Exocet MM38 anti-ship missile system;
              the Romanian destroyer Maraseshti - 8 P-15M anti-ship missiles.
              I also understand Ukraine, since it was the only more or less large ship in its Navy, capable of making ocean voyages, but we need it. At the same time, the "Saiga Dachny" has just returned with a six-month service in the Red Sea, where it chased Somali pirates, that is, it needs at least average repairs with docking.
            3. Aljavad
              Aljavad 22 March 2014 03: 48
              0
              It was reported that the RKR "Ukraine" (already the former - the Rada deprived her of her name) was put up for sale. There is a chance to buy. BUT NOT EXPENSIVE!
      2. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 21 March 2014 12: 52
        +2
        It would be easier for the hike to hand over all this "equipment" to scrap metal, and to put up a new combat-ready

        The fleet is not in the best condition, but you are wrong.

        I agree with you, do not pay attention to the maximalists, talking in tongues and building new ships are different things. hi
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      4. Lelek
        Lelek 21 March 2014 12: 53
        +6
        Ships can be put in order, and so it will be. But the bays urgently need to be cleaned of junk. The main task is to adjust the infrastructure of the city (water, electricity, gas, transport, dirty drains ...). These are jobs for city residents. It is necessary that people do not feel that power is in haste. good
      5. serega.fedotov
        serega.fedotov 21 March 2014 13: 00
        +1
        There is never much security - better bad than none
    2. Aljavad
      Aljavad 22 March 2014 02: 58
      0
      On war chariots: nothing has happened yet, and the Ukrainian army is already suffering losses.

      "Kiev, March 21 - AiF Ukraine. The cause of the fire in a tank unit in Krivoy Rog was a short circuit in the R-123 radio station," the Press and Information Department of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine reported.
      The department noted that five tanks received damage. The first to light up the T-64BV. When the power was turned on, electrical wiring broke out due to its deterioration. The measures that the crew took did not give a result, the fire spread to the second tank, standing next to it.
      To put out the fire, I had to use the GPM-54 fire tank of the regiment and three fire brigades of the city department of the State Emergency Service. By the morning of March 21, the fire was extinguished. No injured people.
      In total, five were damaged, as well as the overlap of the storage where they were located. The incident took place in the storage room of the fleet of combat vehicles of the 17th separate tank brigade, stationed in Krivoy Rog. "
  7. Capacitor
    Capacitor 21 March 2014 12: 25
    0
    and harness the horses to bring them out of the territory of Crimea wink
  8. konvalval
    konvalval 21 March 2014 12: 26
    +1
    Quote: rolling the field
    And they will have to go without equipment and weapons.

    All the same, "put the squeeze" on, I will not argue. The ships are worth it and then only so that the enemies do not get it, and not as a valuable acquisition, but machine guns and 23 unattended armored personnel carriers could have been given ...

    Now banderlogs are howling at this:

    09: 06Russian occupiers took control
    Naval Medical Center in Sevastopol and conduct an inventory of 3816


    They said goodbye to the ships yesterday winked

    You can’t give anything back; everything will be used against Russia.
  9. shelva
    shelva 21 March 2014 12: 29
    0
    Our regiment arrived.
  10. Gagarin
    Gagarin 21 March 2014 12: 31
    +5
    It's nice that the old L-39s are not greedy changing for the new Yak-130, it will pay off a good deal.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 21 March 2014 12: 38
      +4
      Well, by the way there 4 is quite a L-39М1, they have the resources and they are modernized. For the first time, it’s quite ACTIVE.

      But MIGs are all firewood ... Flight 4 and they have a resource there for 6-20 hours. Also vert - Mi-24 after the accident (falling on its side), the rest is firewood that could not pick up and fly away.
  11. Antibrim
    Antibrim 21 March 2014 12: 32
    +3
    the submarine is not of the same type as Varshavyanka, it has 641 projects. very old, and we do not need. rot. people ruin on her only
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  12. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 21 March 2014 12: 35
    +1
    It’s rusty, but if it can still shoot, it’ll do some trouble.
    Among the Ukrainian military there are specialists from the west, so that they can train replenishment. If the west will give money.
    And the ships can be whipped up for a while, repaired and checked. Let them swim in the Black Sea, all in one ship, and what NATO does not see with him inside.
    1. kafa
      kafa 21 March 2014 12: 47
      +8
      I'm sorry, this hulled ship was still in the fixed-term service. It wasn’t sunk yet, just because it is tied to the shore laughing and you can’t shoot nearby am
    2. Aljavad
      Aljavad 22 March 2014 04: 03
      0
      and what’s inside him does not see NATO.

      When it is former Ukrainian - NATO - KNOWS what it is.
      Ships can only be used after overhaul and retooling.
  13. darksoul
    darksoul 21 March 2014 12: 36
    +5
    Quote: Sergg
    Crimea very quickly, swiftly shakes off the dust of euromaidan


    Three times already the guys from Simferopol wrote to me, they offer cooperation on low-current systems (video surveillance, ops, communications, TV), they say that Ukrainian companies are leaving in this direction.

    So maybe soon after Sochi will have to tackle the security of our Crimea hi
  14. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 21 March 2014 12: 38
    +2
    With the boys, of course the problem. Not at a good hour they were drafted into the army. Is it possible to trade iron on people, but ... wild people, also in a ... bitten ... From the wretched wait for anything ...
    1. Aleksandr65
      Aleksandr65 22 March 2014 10: 06
      0
      Crimeans who are in ukrarmii are the most important and disturbing task for everyone, and not this hotly discussed scrap metal
  15. IGS
    IGS 21 March 2014 12: 41
    +5
    We need to think about the boys, those in the Ukrainian army. They are already our citizens. If it doesn’t reach anyone, if someone has a desire to use them as hostages, to equate such people with terrorists, and treat them like the Khattab.
  16. HMR333
    HMR333 21 March 2014 12: 41
    0
    I ask everyone to copy this text, paste it into a Word document and send it by e-mail to foreign publications, mass media, real estate agencies, marriage agencies, employment agencies, online stores, on foreign social networking pages and simply to the email addresses of people who live abroad . The exact same lies are broadcast on their media as on the Ukrainian media. The whole world must know the truth!
    text here
    http://vk.com/feed?z=photo176703948_323380249%2Fwall-62604355_12433
  17. kafa
    kafa 21 March 2014 12: 43
    +4
    author drink poison. that scrap metal is not a Warsaw. and this is she
  18. propolsky
    propolsky 21 March 2014 12: 52
    +2
    You don’t have to give anything, let it lie in the corner, well, as in the item "Forgotten things", you can - take it!
  19. maxim1
    maxim1 21 March 2014 12: 53
    +4
    I just heard from the Voice of Russia that the Americans announced that they would not fight with Russia over the Crimea and Ukraine.
    The path to federalization is open!
    Glory to Putin! Glory to the GDP!
    1. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov 21 March 2014 13: 07
      +3
      And no one doubted, och .... not a nut
    2. Russian102RUS
      Russian102RUS 21 March 2014 14: 59
      +2
      Yes, they will not fight for themselves, and even more so for Ukraine!
      They only beat the weak, who cannot answer.
  20. alone
    alone 21 March 2014 12: 54
    0
    The last days on the peninsula have been talking a lot about the local conscripts. Several thousand of these guys are now pulling a strap in the Ukrainian army, and the local authorities, together with their parents, are racking their brains about how to get the guys home. Crimeans are not allowed out of the units and are "pressed" in every possible way those who do not want to serve the self-proclaimed Kiev chiefs. It can be assumed that the Maidanites will make the guys an object of bargaining: for example, they will agree to let them go in exchange for the same military equipment.


    whatI think that the author gave them a good idea))
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 21 March 2014 14: 15
      +1
      Yes, let it be! And where will they get the crews? Will they fall from the sky? Or will a monkey with a banana come to overtake?
      1. alone
        alone 21 March 2014 15: 08
        0
        Do you think it’s impossible to find a couple of thousand sailors in the 43 millionth country to supply several warships?
        Underestimation of everything and everything that is not connected with Russia sometimes rolls over to impossibility hi
  21. Cristall
    Cristall 21 March 2014 12: 58
    -8
    hmm .. all the same did wrong. Once again, I had to give a civilian leave to the Navy with ships from the Crimea.
    Now a more plausible howl in UKrosmi-about the blockade of captures ... to parry this flow of information is impossible.
    By the way, I decided to see how "maydanutye" operate in the city
    No wonder, the largest news portals broadcast the Shout of Kiev
    They scammed about the military operations to suppress separatism and cheerfully howl that everyone will be imprisoned (Davidchenko was hid for 2 months). Even Skorik was blacklisted - all prosecutors were accused of the flags of the Russian Federation on Kulikovo. They show Maidanovtsa in full swing on behalf of all "Odessites" and he speaks Ukrainian ... well, a pure "Odessa citizen"
    http://odessa.comments.ua/news/2014/03/20/123432.html
    http://timer.od.ua/news/skorik_orlov_i_rabotin_okazalis_v_chernom_spiske_odessko
    go_evromaydana_235.html
    They also accuse us of attacking civilians and supporting those who kill the Ukrainian military and capture ships in Crimea (there is nothing to parry about the latter)
    In such circumstances, when the system is crushing on all fronts --- what success can we talk about?
    1. LOCKS
      LOCKS 21 March 2014 13: 55
      +4
      There is a saying "The dog barks, the wind blows." And they will bark anyway, there is no other way. And it is better to let them talk about what we have done than to attribute to us something that was not even in our thoughts.
    2. kafa
      kafa 21 March 2014 13: 57
      +2
      Do you remember how the fleet shared during the division !? Here are the alaverds hi
    3. Serg 122
      Serg 122 21 March 2014 14: 20
      +4
      Well, don’t be so pessimistic! As they have said and written here more than once - if our enemies howl choking in their own bile - then we are doing everything right. We will never be good for them - even if we go on tour in front of these. All the same, they say: we bow low, then we don’t really squat ....
    4. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 21 March 2014 15: 50
      +6
      you tell your grandmother what’s right and wrong. It was wrong to separate Ukraine from Russia. To invent a new race. I still don’t take the Ukrainians away like other Russians they all.
    5. Aljavad
      Aljavad 22 March 2014 04: 19
      0
      But the paratroopers are honored!
      MOSCOW, March 21. / ITAR-TASS /. Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu set the task to the commander of the Russian Black Sea Fleet "to ensure the exit from the Crimean peninsula to the territory of Ukraine of one unit of the airborne forces (VDV) of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, whose servicemen have expressed a desire to continue serving in the Ukrainian army." This was announced today by the Office of the Press Service and Information of the Russian Ministry of Defense.
      It is reported that we are talking about the unit 25 of a separate airborne brigade of 61 people. In early February, it arrived from a permanent deployment point in Dnepropetrovsk to a military training ground near the village of Perevalnoye in the Simferopol District of the Republic of Crimea for field exercises.
      Earlier, the leadership of the Crimean Self-Defense Forces, the commander of the Ukrainian unit was asked to leave weapons, military equipment and leave the peninsula.
      As the Russian Defense Ministry Press and Information Department reminded, in accordance with the order of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin on respectful attitude to the Ukrainian military, the head of the Russian military department ordered the Ukrainian unit to complete the march with the observance of road safety on its full-time automotive equipment.
      The convoy of 15 vehicles to the border with Ukraine will be accompanied by the military police of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
      Here is an example of our "aggression"
  22. RN40Y45
    RN40Y45 21 March 2014 12: 59
    0
    who knows, will the airfield network be restored? Bagerovo excites me most of all, there the airfield was with 71 aviation training ground - you’ll sway ...
  23. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 21 March 2014 13: 06
    +4
    Here's an interesting thing: specialists from the Ukrainian military-industrial complex have long asserted that their tank "Varta", "Knife"; ATGM "Stugna", "Kombat" and others are better than the Russian one. Question: Was there and remained something of the mentioned in Crimea? Will someone from the knowledgeable Crimeans tell me? If there is something, then you can arrange a check.
    1. Antibrim
      Antibrim 21 March 2014 13: 21
      +4
      they may be better, but most likely they are not in the troops) so let them say what they want
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 21 March 2014 13: 26
      +5
      No. This is only in one brigade - 1 tank "Gray Wolves" near Kiev. She did not advance to the Crimea (like the BTG was collected and sent to the east, for the Bulats were glowing).

      ATGM - I doubt that there is an army beyond the exhibition model for the arrival of the Moscow Region.

      There they took the T-64BV and the canned base T-80 + BMP / BTR partially in canned food, partially in parks.

      They took C-300PS / PT, but they are very bad in appearance, maybe 1 will be assembled from everything.

      They took the line - there is an 1 car (!!!) the front door, in Sevas it is lit up in parades, the second is conditionally live.

      Well and so on. From the relatively new 4 L-39М1, Ternopil, Kremenets, Lutsk, Khmelnitsky.
  24. darksoul
    darksoul 21 March 2014 13: 13
    +5
    Quote: Cristall
    hmm .. all the same did wrong. Once again, I had to give a civilian leave to the Navy with ships from the Crimea.



    maybe it’s wrong, and then the question can be posed, but agree now to give up arms to this hand-made pack is not right .... they are on you (I'm in this case about land units) with these weapons and will suffer freedom of speech
  25. kelevra
    kelevra 21 March 2014 13: 16
    0
    A lot of work, but, everything is solved!
  26. donavi49
    donavi49 21 March 2014 13: 33
    +3
    As of 10.30, Russian flags are fluttering over the following ships, vessels and boats of the Ukrainian Navy
    - control ship "Donbass"
    - rescue tug "Kremenets"
    - rescue tug "Izyaslav"
    - fire-fighting boat "Borschiv"
    - corvette "Khmelnitsky"
    - corvette "Lutsk"
    - corvette "Ternopol"
    - missile corvette "Dnieper"
    - missile boat "Priluki"
    - physical field control vessel "Severodonetsk"
    - demagnetization vessel "Balta"
    - tanker "Zander"
    - tanker "Fastov"
    - killer vessel "Shostka"
    - floating warehouse "Zolotonosha"
    - garbage collection vessel U954
    - harbor tug "Dubno"
    - road tug "Krasnoperekopsk"
    - medical boat "Sokal"
    - diving boat "Romny"
    - diving boat "Tokmak"
    - boat "Korosten"
    - boat "Illichivsk"


    Bold highlighted what is valuable.
    1. sanek45744
      sanek45744 21 March 2014 13: 59
      +1
      and what about Olshansky! ??? I read that the crew wants to leave beautifully! Wouldn’t they flood him gathered! ?? you are not aware of these movements!? and what about the capital ships and at h!? in particular marines and if not mistaken 36 brigade! still push or go over to our side! thanks in advance
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 21 March 2014 14: 01
        +3
        According to Donuzlav, nothing is clear. It seems everyone there is waiting for self-defense units to hand over ships to them. For it’s just that it’ll be ugly to hang the St. Andrew’s flag.

        Of the irreconcilable Olshansky, tug Kovel, 1-2 trolls. It is not clear yet, they went to the lake and wait ... If they were determined, they would have already flooded themselves.
        1. surovts.valery
          surovts.valery 21 March 2014 14: 37
          0
          "Of the irreconcilable ones Olshansky, tug Kovel, 1-2 trawls. It is not clear yet, they went out to the lake and are waiting ... If they were determined, they would have flooded themselves."

          But is the military crew in tow? If civil, then why should they rest? All local jobs will not lose.
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 21 March 2014 14: 40
            +1
            A tugboat is obvious to collect the floaters. On rafts to land it is not very pleasant to swim.
  27. Zomanus
    Zomanus 21 March 2014 13: 58
    +4
    Pancake. This is essentially our defense plants now plowing and plowing, saturating the Crimea with the newest, best weapons and equipment. This can be compared to buying a new apartment, left after the elderly. Where you need to redo everything.
    1. kafa
      kafa 21 March 2014 14: 13
      +3
      these are pleasant chores wink
  28. kafa
    kafa 21 March 2014 14: 03
    +3
    waste bin U954
    that's what kind of board worried so much for this laughing doesn’t shoot bombs doesn’t shoot just trash removes people it’s clear that it worked clean and smooth it’s not for you to shoot love if not these dodgers then the bay looks like a garbage can but very large
  29. sv68
    sv68 21 March 2014 15: 36
    +1
    restoring the ship repair base and shipbuilding in the Crimea is of course long and expensive, but now the most important thing is our Russian Crimea and we need to bring it to our senses
    1. kafa
      kafa 21 March 2014 17: 16
      0
      oh and 13 SRH In Sevastopol Ukrainian pid (people of non-tradional orientation living in the western regions of Ukraine) with ... issued chtoli lol
  30. Leshka
    Leshka 21 March 2014 18: 11
    0
    it will not be enough No.
  31. Cristall
    Cristall 21 March 2014 20: 40
    0
    Quote: darksoul
    Quote: Cristall
    hmm .. all the same did wrong. Once again, I had to give a civilian leave to the Navy with ships from the Crimea.

    maybe it’s wrong, and then the question can be posed, but agree now to give up arms in the hands of this frenzied pack is not right .... they are on you (I am in this case about land units) with these weapons and will suffer freedom of speech

    yes, of course, that military needs to act like the British and French when surrendering Paris. Toughly decisive.
    But - the moral and ethical side, the legal field, the legal side ... where is all this?
    Now I really would have got angry - and would have led my ship in spite of everything, and I didn’t care whether Moscow would shoot at me or not. There is such a thing - rage is called when it is all the same.
    And do not care that he does not support Kiev against him. I can’t stand it when they impose it on me. Now imagine this with the crews, and if they would do it headlong like me? And if the ships were flooded and blown up? Went to ram? Madness, agree - but it can be. They are capable of it. But they preferred (or they were forced or forced) peacefully in favor of the Russian Federation.
    Now about precedents. The first thing that comes to mind is the violation of all norms (here I deliberately do it, although Kiev is a complete violation)
    Now you have "nationalized" the Ukrainian fleet, which was blocked. Physically - forced. They were not given a choice - leave or stay, but hand over and leave. This is no longer 100 Kamaz and a group of thugs. It is about the property of the country-military property. Where is the legal basis? Nationalization? Well, if you can nationalize the fleet of a neighboring country - maybe I'm not catching up with something. Explain to me legally how is this possible? I understand the cons - the Ukrainian flag, I walk across the joys of everyone, and I ask something - that's the impudent cons to it ..
    Before my eyes, confidence in what you are doing is lost, but they all explain to me a certain need not to give Kiev a mythical opportunity to use the fleet.
    That is, I have to agree with
    1-Violent blockade of the fleet
    2-Forcing ships to surrender
    3-Nationalization of military property
    This is all for the good! For the good of what? For the good of the Russian Federation? General idea? Peacefulness? (Russian caustic remark that the fleet was taken away from the independent) For the benefit of Ukrainians? Explain.
    A huge precedent - in front of my eyes the fleet of my country - was taken away. This despite the fact that I supported the Crimeans in their quest. Without explaining to us, ordinary Ukrainians - why, why, and by what right.
    PS - I ask you to stop the persecution of Ukrainians on the site for their questions and comments. Better take the trouble to explain my questions. A lot depends on them.
    1. alone
      alone 21 March 2014 21: 52
      0
      Quote: Cristall
      morally ethical side, legal field, legal side ... where is all this?

      what legal field, legal side .. sounds tempting
    2. Aleksandr65
      Aleksandr65 22 March 2014 10: 58
      +2
      Here you are so furious, but there were no furious ones, and thank God. And not because they are cowards. For what? For whom? Yes, more than half of them are Crimeans, who sincerely want to serve the Crimea and Russia. Why do you think that the state is Kiev, not Crimea? And I think that the state is the Crimea, too, and he has the right to these ships, but he does not take the share of the NPP due to him in the "divorce" with Ukraine, Zaporizhzhya Sich, KhTZ and other "jointly acquired" with Ukraine Property. Everything is logical.
      And, forgive me generously, if I offend you, resolve the question — do you really think that Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev, and other New Russia is Ukraine? Indeed, even after the revolution (I am silent before it), Novorossia was still part of Russia. Indeed, until now she speaks and thinks in South Russian, despite a hundred years of Ukrainization. Do you really want the humorous sparkling Odessa to turn into a Galician misanthropic dull Odessa? I would really like the state of the Novorossiysk Republic, the capital-Odessa, there would be Russian, Ukrainian, Jewish, and Bulgarian beginnings (as it was before the revolution) - such beauty!