Military Review

US military insiders split in Ukrainian issue

53
US military insiders split in Ukrainian issue

The whole Crimea belongs to Vladimir Putin, and the “nervous” Ukraine is looking in the direction of the United States in expectation of help, but Washington is still denying military support to this country, reports Defense One 20 in March.


With an insignificant majority of votes, the interviewed military insiders of the National Journal edition spoke in favor of providing military assistance - 57% in favor, against 43% (61 people were polled). The question was whether to start shipping to Ukraine weapons, ammunition, and intelligence information, or not.

Supporters of military aid say that it is necessary to send a clear signal to Putin that "he has no right to illegally annex neighboring territories." Those who speak out say that the provision of military assistance "will open a Pandora's box" and it would be "too expensive" for the United States. Their position is that "why should we be drawn into fighting with Russia in a territory that is not strategically important for us?".

The publication cites some insider statements.

"By"

“Military support will increase Putin’s risks and he will have less opportunity to escalate the situation in the short term.”

“While Ukraine will offer military resistance to Russia, the efforts of the West should be focused on resolving the issue diplomatically until the situation gets out of control.”

“We won the Cold War without a single shot, and we have a chance to win this battle without personally pulling the trigger.”

- The United States supplied weapons to Georgia without getting involved in the war. Obama can do the same, but apparently he lacks determination.

“Help needs to be given if Putin continues to send troops into Ukraine.”

- We drew the red line, and now we must provide military assistance if we want to regain the confidence of our friends and allies.

"Not"

- Too late. We must negotiate to save face. We do not need a new cold war. Putin perceives Obama as a weak politician. Sending a weapon will not convince him otherwise.

- Our weapons and ammunition will not help bridge the gap in capabilities between the Ukrainian and Russian troops. Although intelligence information may to some extent help the Ukrainians, but this will further exacerbate tensions in US-Russian relations.

- We should not pretend that Ukraine is under the protection of the US / NATO. This is not true. The provision of military assistance will help Ukraine organize resistance, but in the end Ukrainian troops will be defeated. It is better to pay more attention to the intensification of defense efforts within NATO.

- We should not be on the verge of war with Russia because of Ukraine and the Crimea.

- The establishment of closer military ties between Ukraine and the West will provoke even stronger. Russian reaction in this matter

“The United States and the NATO countries cannot bring their troops into Ukraine as easily as Putin can, who knows that Kiev is not capable of providing effective opposition.” NATO allies should pay more attention to the defense of the Baltic countries (including taking into account requests from Sweden and Finland) before getting involved in the war in Ukraine. Putin is doing what the Russian tsars did, which absorbed the peripheral countries, so that their internal problems would become a headache for Moscow (recall the seizure of Chechnya in the 1860s). Let him (Putin) create problems for himself. We need to strengthen work with the Ukrainian military to increase their combat capability, to train Ukrainian troops in Poland. To consider the question of the economic stifling of Kaliningrad and block the water communications of this region. Let us comprehensively strengthen our positions before offering Ukraine an “umbrella” of NATO.

- We must never forget that the United States does not have vital interests in Ukraine, unlike Russia. One must be careful in dealing with another nuclear state.

- We have already lost this battle, Putin will not leave. If we want to do something, the help and support of Ukraine should be provided in conjunction with the efforts of other NATO countries.
Originator:
http://www.militaryparitet.com/
53 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Tumbleweed
    Tumbleweed 21 March 2014 11: 59
    +15
    I would like to know how they plan to provide this military assistance?
    - give weapons, so to whom and how ...
    - strike with missiles and aircraft, nonsense, since the otvetka will immediately fly to Europe and the USA
    - send troops even more delusional, they can only protect themselves
    Generally a lot of questions, no answers

    Threat Yaytsenyuh and Co. can now nibble dry packs from the United States, it is still more honorable than the diapers that the United States brought to Georgia wassat
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 21 March 2014 12: 06
      +8
      [quote = roll the field] I would like to know how they plan to provide this military assistance?
      The same as in Yugoslavia Syria .. that the blood flowed! Now they are dragging Bandera to Russia They are afraid to let us down (we can shoot jackals right away ..) While they scare us ... and wait for the moment We also wait for the moment!
      1. avg
        avg 21 March 2014 12: 59
        +1
        Quote: MIKHAN
        While scaring .. and waiting for the moment We are also waiting for the moment!

        The most significant is that not one of the experts is asking himself a simple question. Why did the Crimeans go so joyfully to Russia, or maybe the Russians are right? Today, there are no doubts about the “exceptional” ones; they still have to learn this.
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. alexng
      alexng 21 March 2014 12: 07
      +3
      But they themselves do not know. That turnip is scratched, but the turnip cannot answer anything.
      1. Tumbleweed
        Tumbleweed 21 March 2014 12: 09
        +3
        Quote: alexneg
        That turnip is scratched, but the turnip cannot answer anything.

        Can they try instead of turnips, scratch something else? wassat
        1. johnsnz
          johnsnz 21 March 2014 12: 39
          +1
          oviparous)))
        2. JVN
          JVN 21 March 2014 13: 23
          +1
          And their Honduras do not bother?
      2. jjj
        jjj 21 March 2014 12: 41
        +1
        As Huseynovich said, US troops will not be introduced to Ukraine. Give weapons? What for? For the armament of all Bandera forces, the existing Ukrainian is enough. And Bandera will fight. In addition, the Ukrainian military themselves have absolutely no fraternal feelings for Russia and are ready to kill
    4. JVN
      JVN 21 March 2014 13: 22
      0
      They said: dry rations
    5. Lelek
      Lelek 22 March 2014 01: 07
      +2
      He grinds carrots, not biscuits. And Ms. Nuland was hungry for a carrot. tongue
  2. TAMERLAN 7
    TAMERLAN 7 21 March 2014 12: 00
    +3
    Those who oppose note that the provision of military assistance "will open the Pandora's box" and would be "too costly" for the United States. Their position is that "why should we get involved in the fight against Russia in a territory that is not strategically important for us?"
    Here! What am I talking about? The more NATO citizens realize that they are running into trouble with Russia, this is a "Pandora's box", the more correctly they will perceive the situation. We need to help them, to realize it!
  3. Ek.Sektor
    Ek.Sektor 21 March 2014 12: 02
    +5
    Disconnect Kaliningrad from communications? So you have to connect the sources of these communications to Kaliningrad laughing
    1. major071
      major071 21 March 2014 12: 27
      +9
      Consider the issue of economic strangulation of Kaliningrad and block the water communications of this region.

      The "answer" in the form of the Baltic states immediately suggests itself. It is not worth strangling them economically. Moreover, even now, with the introduction of sanctions against Russia, Lithuania is losing 10% of its GDP, and Estonia and Latvia are also losing a lot. And if ours impose sanctions, then everyone is a kirdyk. Sprats are enough for a month, and whoever will eat them every day without bread and sausages. You won't last long on one dry ration either. And the United States has no rations. laughing
      1. Horn
        Horn 21 March 2014 14: 03
        0
        Consider the issue of economic strangulation of Kaliningrad and block the water communications of this region.

        - A completely adequate response would be to block the water communications of our Baltic neighbors and stop the use of Baltic ports and terminals by Russia.
  4. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 21 March 2014 12: 05
    +5
    Quote: tumbleweed
    I would like to know how they plan to provide this military assistance?

    The Polish border is an excellent access area for sending weapons in containers, I have no doubt that the dispatch has already begun. It's just that no one is talking out loud yet.
  5. bubalik
    bubalik 21 March 2014 12: 10
    +8
    Military support will increase Putin's risks and he will have fewer opportunities to escalate the situation in the short term.
    ,,, if in this vein they will crush and crush, then they will run into the otvetka ,,,
  6. skyil
    skyil 21 March 2014 12: 11
    +3
    As soon as they realize that their sanctions have little effect, the Americans will not stand it and begin military support, but not like troops, but like skunks; got out, shit, and again into the bushes!
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 21 March 2014 13: 07
      +1
      Quote: skyil
      As soon as they realize that their sanctions have little effect, the Americans will not stand it and begin military support,

      and drones, one of which was planted in the Crimea, and the other shot down, who launches, Yayenyukh or what ?? so the US military is already in Ukraine and is already collecting intelligence. the only question is whether they will share this data with the Maidan or will keep it with them.
  7. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 21 March 2014 12: 11
    +5
    In general, in the West, politicians began to play a lie and do not know what to do to save face. They are so obsessed with the appraisal concepts of the United States where rulers are evaluated according to whether they acted strongly or weakly at one time or another. That is, the assessment is given purely from an emotional point of view. There is no policy or strategy here. They had a plan for the collapse of Ukraine and the NATO base, failed, because Putin acts, not whines.
    There they heard the old Pirdun Brzezinski with his paranoia about chess.
    They do not have strategists - there are tantrums.
    In short people. Well, there will be a world 3 - where to go now. It will not, so we will soon live again in the new USSR and NATO will wipe it off.
  8. buzuke
    buzuke 21 March 2014 12: 12
    +1
    Putin does what the Russian tsars did, who absorbed the peripheral countries so that their internal problems then became a headache for Moscow (recall the capture of Chechnya in the 1860s)

    so do not meddle in our problems. why do you need our headache, and you have enough
    1. JVN
      JVN 21 March 2014 13: 27
      0
      Some states also talk about independence.
  9. Cripple cross
    Cripple cross 21 March 2014 12: 13
    +4
    `` We drew a red line and now ''
    And now, gentlemen, Americans, note that your line is no longer red, but the one that separates the two half-pops. You climb there yourself gradually using such world politics, and we will soon push you deeper .... we are partners, we consider it a duty to help you.
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 21 March 2014 12: 16
      +14
      ,, oh they wait ,,, lol
    2. The comment was deleted.
  10. 51064
    51064 21 March 2014 12: 13
    +2
    Quote: rolling the field
    I would like to know how they plan to provide this military assistance?
    - give weapons, so to whom and how ...
    - strike with missiles and aircraft, nonsense, since the otvetka will immediately fly to Europe and the USA
    - send troops even more delusional, they can only protect themselves
    Generally a lot of questions, no answers

    I think the same way as always - to give a loan for the purchase of weapons, which is generally not a pity to get rid of, and other things that are necessary for the war, to help with intelligence, send military instructors and advisers, organize training for military personnel, and conduct joint exercises.
  11. Ivan Russky
    Ivan Russky 21 March 2014 12: 14
    +6
    Yes, they have already helped the outskirts, there they are very grateful for such help wink
  12. Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 21 March 2014 12: 17
    +2
    They want to strangle Kaliningrad. Just like brainless children.
  13. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 21 March 2014 12: 18
    +4
    Yes, if Ukraine had something to pay, the United States would have pulled the weapon in full. Humanists ... fellow
  14. vezunchik
    vezunchik 21 March 2014 12: 20
    +8
    15-20 armed people began an assault on the Ternopil ship in the Sevastopol Bay at the 15th berth, according to the head of the media center of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry in Crimea Vladislav Seleznev.
    "15-20 armed people have landed. The assault on Ternopil has begun," Seleznyov said. He also added that the exit to the territory of the quay wall was blocked by Russian servicemen, and the exit to the sea for Ukrainian ships was blocked by Russian demagnetization vessels, TSN reports.
    "There are submachine gunners on board the ships," Vladislav Seleznev wrote on his Facebook.
    As of 18:49, midshipman of the Ternopil ship Aleksey Kirillov said: "My ship has been seized. Unfortunately, I can't tell you anything else."
    THEY ARE UP TO THE LAST MINUTE ... SITTING ON Facebook.
    1. jjj
      jjj 21 March 2014 12: 43
      +1
      Yesterday this news was refuted. Everything went around the world long ago
  15. Voenruk
    Voenruk 21 March 2014 12: 21
    +1
    Omerika unbelted, let her block back to western Berlin, otherwise we would put Iskandera with atomic filling in Cuba. What !? Fair! It’s they who are behind the fence, not us. They must be tough with them, they are used to ruling for 20 years with our slobbery.
  16. Gagarin
    Gagarin 21 March 2014 12: 21
    +1
    According to the situation (and their exceptional status), they understand that it is time to do something!
    BUT THAT - NOBODY DECIDED!
    Dry the oars ...
  17. Luger
    Luger 21 March 2014 12: 22
    +1
    I think Obama may have problems and he will leave his post ahead of schedule, which is fraught with the coming of the conservative president to power. Then our life will not start quietly, of course I remember that all the wars were started by the Democratic presidents, but this is precisely the case when the problems we begin will begin with the Republican President.
  18. skyil
    skyil 21 March 2014 12: 22
    +1
    As soon as they realize that their sanctions have little effect, the Americans will not stand it and begin military support, but not like troops, but like skunks; got out, shit, and again into the bushes!
  19. Berkut-UA
    Berkut-UA 21 March 2014 12: 26
    +2
    Quote: Ivan Russian
    Yes, they have already helped the outskirts, there they are very grateful for such help wink


    If help in the amount of 25.000 dry rations, then
    for an army of 5.000 people, help will end in 5 days.

    But what about the other soldiers? Will they go hungry?
    1. JVN
      JVN 21 March 2014 13: 32
      0
      Yes, they will ask. And the states need somewhere to sell rotten meat
  20. Krsk
    Krsk 21 March 2014 12: 29
    +1
    Well, helpers, you better than God pray that we would not help anyone. And then, after all, any of your adventures will be so hard. And your drones and all your flying machines will begin to fall in packs and your abrams will burn with blue flame and the ships will not approach closer than 500 km to the shore. So do not ...
  21. konvalval
    konvalval 21 March 2014 12: 30
    +1
    The second smaller half of the insiders are absolutely right.
  22. Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 21 March 2014 12: 31
    +2
    One part of the Americans thinks that they are actually a Supernation, and the second part starts to turn on their heads a little. And that’s good.
  23. johnsnz
    johnsnz 21 March 2014 12: 36
    +1
    Hey, you democratic American women! And not a little list to provide who voted "for" and hto "against"? Gulchatay, with your face!
  24. mabuta
    mabuta 21 March 2014 12: 39
    +2
    Most Americans live in an information vacuum. And nothing that touches the stomach doesn't interest them. Forgive them.
  25. ed65b
    ed65b 21 March 2014 12: 40
    +2
    One must be careful in relations with another nuclear state.

    This is the most important thing in this entire article. Obamych takes this into account, unlike egg-headed hawks.
  26. mountain
    mountain 21 March 2014 12: 41
    0
    You guys were late, you had 23 years old, and you had a ride on the situation, Russia is coming.
  27. gfnhbjnrf
    gfnhbjnrf 21 March 2014 12: 43
    +1
    Yes, they would have sat down, just smoked on the sidelines. We don’t need anything from them, they need everything from us, but they won’t get it all, because first of all we are Orthodox, and we stand shoulder to shoulder with our men. peace, but we won’t give ourselves offense.
  28. parus2nik
    parus2nik 21 March 2014 12: 43
    +2
    Some of them are naive, the United States through Europe, will supply weapons, no matter which way .. And Russia will supply gas to Europe .. and Yaytsenyuk and Co. drawing Ukraine into an armed conflict .. do not understand the following .. how many operating nuclear power plants the territory of Ukraine? It can’t even occur to them that accidents can occur there, as a result of careless smoking or making bonfires, by fighters of the National Guard of Ukraine ...Verified .. this will tear, so tear hf The same Munchausen
  29. propolsky
    propolsky 21 March 2014 12: 45
    +1
    And the most important point: "This is not our business! They will figure it out themselves!"
  30. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 21 March 2014 12: 47
    +1
    Our weapons and ammunition will not help bridge the gap in capabilities between Ukrainian and Russian troops.

    This is, in my opinion, the main point. And the deployment of NATO troops to Ukraine will provoke a response from the Russian Federation, which can do this more quickly. If the redeployment of forces is not disguised as the strengthening of NATO countries on the border with Ukraine. But even then, the response of the Russian Federation can be lightning fast, like a high-rise of the Airborne Forces in recent times. Any visible strengthening of Ukraine by the Yankos brings closer the fall of this Ukraine. So there are no options so far.
  31. maestro123
    maestro123 21 March 2014 12: 51
    +2
    Quote: jjj
    Yesterday this news was refuted. Everything went around the world long ago


    The landing ship of the Ukrainian Navy is preparing to fight off the assault on the Russian military
    21.03.2014 | 10:32

    The large landing ship of the Ukrainian Navy "Konstantin Olshansky", staying in Donuzlav, is preparing to fight off the assault on the Russian military
    This was reported to UNIAN by the head of the Crimean media center of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Vladislav Seleznev.
    He noted that the ship is "near the mooring wall."
    “Ready to storm.” The flag of Ukraine on the ship, ”said Seleznev.
  32. Voenruk
    Voenruk 21 March 2014 13: 23
    +3
    To all ill-wishers and personally to Barack Husseinich)
  33. Seamaster
    Seamaster 21 March 2014 13: 24
    +4
    US President Barack Obama stupidly stared at a document just faxed from Kiev. The meaning reached him slowly, but inevitably ...

    "... Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk calls on the United States of America to supply his country with modern defensive weapons systems ..." - blah blah blah ... Everything is clear here. "... more powerful forces and means of restraint will strengthen our political positions and help prevent a new Russian invasion ..." - blah blah blah ... Uh-huh ... How hard he is trying! Well ... Aha! Here is ... the list ...

    Barak rubbed his eyes ... He put on his glasses ... He took off and rubbed his glasses ... He put on again ... But it didn't get any better.
    The president reached for the phone.

    - Hello! Senya? Didn't wake up? Well, sleep, sleep! Give the spouse, well, Cry, please!
    There was fuss in the receiver, after which the sleepy voice of partner number 2, sleeping in a blue flirty nightie with ruffles, said:
    - Gutten Morgen!
    - Well, are you sleeping at work again ?! - Barak fell on his subordinate. - Again, you don’t read documents behind your rabbit ?! Do you want me to deprive you of German citizenship?
    “What happened, Mr. Obama?” - startled the frightened Voldemar.
    - It happened? Did you read the list of defensive weapons he requested from Congress ?! Don’t you understand that now invasion is inevitable for her ?! !!
    - Why? !!
    “Yes, because if Congress agrees to deliver these thirty-eight F-22s and four aircraft carriers, the Russians will then attack!” With a guarantee!
    - But why?!!
    - !!! THESE ARE SUCH TROPHIES !!!
    They’ll take away all the fuck, as they’ve already taken in the Crimea, and they will even order !!!
  34. Seamaster
    Seamaster 21 March 2014 13: 24
    0
    US President Barack Obama stupidly stared at a document just faxed from Kiev. The meaning reached him slowly, but inevitably ...

    "... Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk calls on the United States of America to supply his country with modern defensive weapons systems ..." - blah blah blah ... Everything is clear here. "... more powerful forces and means of restraint will strengthen our political positions and help prevent a new Russian invasion ..." - blah blah blah ... Uh-huh ... How hard he is trying! Well ... Aha! Here is ... the list ...

    Barak rubbed his eyes ... He put on his glasses ... He took off and rubbed his glasses ... He put on again ... But it didn't get any better.
    The president reached for the phone.

    - Hello! Senya? Didn't wake up? Well, sleep, sleep! Give the spouse, well, Cry, please!
    There was fuss in the receiver, after which the sleepy voice of partner number 2, sleeping in a blue flirty nightie with ruffles, said:
    - Gutten Morgen!
    - Well, are you sleeping at work again ?! - Barak fell on his subordinate. - Again, you don’t read documents behind your rabbit ?! Do you want me to deprive you of German citizenship?
    “What happened, Mr. Obama?” - startled the frightened Voldemar.
    - It happened? Did you read the list of defensive weapons he requested from Congress ?! Don’t you understand that now invasion is inevitable for her ?! !!
    - Why? !!
    “Yes, because if Congress agrees to deliver these thirty-eight F-22s and four aircraft carriers, the Russians will then attack!” With a guarantee!
    - But why?!!
    - !!! THESE ARE SUCH TROPHIES !!!
    They’ll take away all the fuck, as they’ve already taken in the Crimea, and they will even order !!!
  35. redka
    redka 21 March 2014 13: 40
    0
    What the hell ..., this America with Obama, the whole European Union taken together, are getting into OUR affairs? It is necessary to send them, we will figure it out ourselves with Bender and with the eggs, but if they interfere, then take off at the same time.
  36. XLexx
    XLexx 21 March 2014 14: 30
    0
    If they turn up, we will be him ...
  37. Averias
    Averias 21 March 2014 14: 37
    0
    57% voted in favor of military aid. Here are the cynics, and why should they not vote then? After all, it is clear that if anything, then they will not have to fight (pah pah). Will sit in their overseas cabinets while someone rips their asses off and dies, it's not clear why? They, these insiders, asked American mothers - do they need it? After all, with Russia, UAV tricks will not work. Rackets to pop and win will not work (and indeed, where they won that). Here you will have to face a ground operation, with all its "charm", in the form of severed limbs and so on. And on the ground (infantry) to fight, will they be like this ?:
    1. clidon
      clidon 21 March 2014 17: 35
      +2
      They actually fought and are fighting more "on the ground" than we did. Only from Iraq we got out and from Afghanistan still nothing.
  38. sv68
    sv68 21 March 2014 15: 05
    0
    there were still smart people who understand that the best thing that the states need to do is shut up. And then in the morning they can wake up and find out that they are now a colony of RUSSIA
  39. Everest2014
    Everest2014 21 March 2014 16: 12
    +1
    "We will throw our hats over" have already been forgotten, as they said before the Second World War. Don't underestimate anyone or it will end badly.
  40. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 21 March 2014 16: 25
    +1
    so this says a lot some time ago, they said that the Russians are weak in the technique of stora. Now they moo and shake their heads and a little whining recognize the Russian troops too tough.
  41. Kuvabatake
    Kuvabatake 21 March 2014 18: 29
    0
    They also helped Ben Laden. Then they did not know where to clean the ass. Now help fascists? And then what, when they come to them ???
  42. Snowfall
    Snowfall 21 March 2014 21: 23
    0
    for or against, but everyone thinks about one thing, how to ruin our homeland.
    but they will not wait, victory will be ours.
  43. Lelek
    Lelek 22 March 2014 01: 01
    +2
    Do not play the fool, America .... The Independence Brothers with your weapons will go to rob fat, timid Europeans. I want to eat, but I have nothing to take from Nenko Ukraine. So hold on to Brussels, Paris, Berlin and Rome. The Maidan is already nearby. bully