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Greek precedent. How Athens destroys the anti-Russian theory of the "crimes of communism"

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Greek precedent. How Athens destroys the anti-Russian theory of the "crimes of communism"



In the long and difficult stories Greece’s relations with the European Union a significant event occurred. In March, 2014, President Karolos Papoulias demanded reparations from Germany for the damage caused to the country during the Second World War. The Greek side demands 108 billion euros for the destruction and 54 billion euros for loans issued by the Bank of Greece to Nazi Germany, which, of course, were not returned. The total amount of reparations is 162 billion euros.

Germany refuses these payments, motivating its position by the fact that as early as the 1960s, the FRG paid Greece 115 million German marks for damages from the occupation.

But in any case, the requirement of reparations is an extraordinary event. This is perhaps the only example of its kind when compensation is demanded almost 69 years after the end of the war.

Of course, this is a continuation of the Greek financial and economic crisis, and the result of a political struggle within the European Union, and a response to the demands for Greece to sell islands to Germany (on account of debt), and the reaction to talks in Brussels about suspension of Greece’s membership in the European Union, and depriving Greece of developed market status in 2013 (the MSCI agency in June 2013 transferred Greece from the category of developed to the category of developing countries, thus giving rise to a precedent of official recognition of the economic degradation of a particular country).

In Greece, they believe that Germany played a key role in these negative events for the country, and put forward demands for reparations.

However, it is worth considering this event in the context of claims of compensation for the “Soviet occupation”, which were imposed on Russia by Latvia and Lithuania. The crux of the matter is that these republics could not achieve significant economic results in 20 years of independence. They still have not reached the level of even 1990 of the year, squandered most of the industrial enterprises created in the Soviet years (Lithuania, moreover, at the request of the EU closed the Ignalina nuclear power plant), and now they are in an economic deadlock, out of which they see receiving compensation for the Russian "occupation".

Latvia, for example, demands compensation in 4,7 times more than was invested in the Latvian SSR. Greece, which is also in an economic dead end and sees a way out of the situation in receiving reparations from Germany, went along a completely similar path. True, the required amount does not cover even half of the Greek debt (for the summer of 2013 of the year - 321 billion euros), however, the country can count on some relief.

Latvia, Lithuania and Greece are members of the EU; they have been following EU economic directives for a long time, resulting in an economic crisis.

And all three countries have resorted to the requirement of reparations for the occupation (in the case of Latvia and Lithuania - fictional, in the case of Greece - real) as the last means to resolve their economic problems. These countries "chose freedom," as they said during the Cold War, and this freedom was bitter for them. Greece joined the EU back in 1981, and, as we can see, 33, of membership in this organization, led it from the “Greek economic miracle” to exclusion from the number of developed markets and the threat of default.

The Greek example is very important for understanding the true causes of all hysteria about comparing communism with Nazism, demanding compensation for “Soviet occupation”, banning Soviet symbols, etc. in Eastern Europe. For a long time it was difficult to understand why in these countries, former members of the socialist community, the Warsaw Pact and the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance (CMEA), the former Soviet republics, this wave of responsibility for the "crimes of communism" rose. Now it is clear that the reason lies in the results of the economic policy of the European Union, where all these countries have entered.

The European Union, with all its directives, quotas, rules, strategies, from which the strongest members — France and Germany — benefited the most, plunged these countries into an economic crisis. But the governments of Eastern European countries, not wanting to admit the truth, quickly found the "extreme" in the person of Russia as the successor of the USSR.

And the worse the economic situation became, the louder the demands for Russia sounded.

Greece is a “country of the free world” with experience. However, when it was “got” the consequences of the EU economic policy, in Greece they began to look for the guilty. And Athens made demands for Germany, remembering the damage from the war.

If at one time in Greece there were communists in power and the country was part of the CMEA, then it could become, within the framework of the Soviet policy of economic development of the allies, a very developed industrial country. In Greece, there are large reserves of brown coal, bauxite, barite, non-ferrous metals, not counting developed agricultural production. The USSR developed many countries and regions, and Soviet politics everywhere succeeded - in Yakutia or in the Mongolian People's Republic (where industry was created from scratch), and in Europe — the GDR, Poland, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia. Could solve economic problems and Greece.

If “communism is bad,” and “liberal democracy is good,” then how can the current position of Greece be explained? That is, the point is not at all in communism, not in historical memory and not in the restoration of justice or in some other similar reasons put forward in the countries of Eastern Europe to substantiate their anti-communist hysteria.

The point is the banal failure of the European integration economic policy and the building of a common European economy, respectively, in the search for those responsible, which Greece has shown.

We add, the Greeks made a very "promising" path. Another number of European countries, tormented by the crisis, can also go this way.

The demands of Germany’s reparations have the right to put forward, say, Cyprus, occupied by the Germans during the war, or Italy, which, after the fall of the Mussolini regime, was also occupied by the Germans, and fighting broke out on its territory. If France does not do well either, then it will have the opportunity to reclaim payments for occupation and destruction from Germany. And Belgium, Holland, Luxembourg, Norway, Denmark? And the UK may demand to pay the consequences of the brutal bombardment. For example, it will be difficult for Spain to substantiate its claims to Germany, but something can be invented, for example, to “hang” on the Germans the damage from the civil war (1936 - 1939). If the development of events follows the “Greek version”, then in a matter of years, only memories can remain from the European Union.
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  1. Potin
    Potin 21 March 2014 18: 58
    +32
    Cool, of course, but no one will pay.
    1. Tumbleweed
      Tumbleweed 21 March 2014 19: 02
      +27
      Ukrainians and Poles did not come from the Greeks? They also come up with some kind of famines and Katyn and demand compensation from Russia for a billion billion quadrillion dollars so that grandchildren do not have to work ... wassat
      True, the first were still Jews with the Holocaust
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 21 March 2014 19: 18
        +15
        All were surpassed by the Kurlanders, for the "occupation" they asked for something about 500 y, e.
        1. 120352
          120352 21 March 2014 23: 12
          +1
          They need to issue a similar bill, but in rubles and so that it is in hard currency a hundred times higher than their fiction. You can attach invoices.
        2. RND
          RND 22 March 2014 02: 11
          +2
          Quote: Igor39
          All were surpassed by the Kurlanders, for the "occupation" they asked for something about 500 y, e.

          Smoke sniffed in sprats ...
          1. Simon
            Simon 22 March 2014 07: 11
            0
            Of course, the buzz from the burn probably pulled. wassat
        3. Simon
          Simon 22 March 2014 07: 09
          0
          In..! belay Hapanut wanted! laughing
      2. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 21 March 2014 19: 19
        +13
        They succeeded in this, and Germany still pays them.
        1. gfs84
          gfs84 21 March 2014 21: 59
          +5
          And submarines, those that type-214 for trill prices are sold at the expense of payments for the Holocaust ...
          interestingly pay for the war weapons ...
          Where is the logic? ... The Western world has gone crazy ...
          1. hrych
            hrych 21 March 2014 22: 51
            +29
            Meanwhile, in Goethe’s homeland:
            1. Bunchuk36
              Bunchuk36 21 March 2014 23: 16
              +10
              The Germans are burning, here on the site was described the story of how a KGB colonel, a communist, a native of Galicia, after the collapse of the Union, sharply turned into a terry nationalist. People do not change, we just get to know them better, and the Germans have "love" for the United States, and where will the Anglo-Saxons come from, for Dresden, or the Ruhr Valley?
        2. RND
          RND 22 March 2014 02: 13
          +1
          Quote: ia-ai00
          They succeeded in this, and Germany still pays them.

          Who first got up - that and tap ... grandmother.
      3. generalissimo
        generalissimo 21 March 2014 19: 34
        +12
        Yes, the last one, everyone should! It would be necessary to somehow pay off for all the "good" that the Jews did for all other nations, the goyim in their terminology! Yes, pay in full, so that it does not seem a little, otherwise this debt is somehow burdensome!
        1. W1950
          W1950 21 March 2014 19: 48
          +11
          Not the EU, but a flock of rats.
          1. Very old
            Very old 21 March 2014 22: 03
            +2
            There they are and the road - lined with good intentions
            It's just right to cover the European Union with good obscenities with the "thrown" Euro-game

            Well, what else remains ...
          2. Curculum
            Curculum 22 March 2014 01: 53
            0
            Quote: W1950
            Not the EU, but a flock of rats.

            A flock is noble, rather a flock of rats.
        2. SkiF_RnD
          SkiF_RnD 21 March 2014 19: 52
          +6
          Well, actually, it was obviously not the Jews who started it. Thousands of three years ago they were deprived of their own Homeland, after which I wonder how they survived, and do not feel like paying them off.
        3. aksakal
          aksakal 21 March 2014 21: 56
          +14
          Quote: generalissimo
          Yes, the last one, everyone should! It would be necessary to somehow pay off for all the "good" that the Jews did for all other nations, the goyim in their terminology! Yes, pay in full, so that it does not seem a little, otherwise this debt is somehow burdensome!
          - I will correct - not Jews, because among them there are worthy people both in the past (see the list of the same Soviet scientists), and at present - the same Wasserman, Perelman and others, but ... Here is a small introduction. I propose for those Jews who are carriers of the cannibalistic philosophy of "God's chosenness", and for the sake of achieving the ideas of this philosophy, taking concrete steps against those states, peoples and their leaders, hindering this achievement, to call "Zionists". However, as in the case of Alibek, who proposed to use the term "shaitanists" instead of the term "Islamists", I am ready to accept the term for the Zionists that the forum users from Israel themselves will offer. It is more convenient for them, but for me it is not a question.
          In the meantime, let's use the term and derivatives from the term "Zionism", adopted in the days of the USSR.
          Quote: generalissimo
          and pay off in full, so as not to seem a little, otherwise this debt is somehow burdensome!
          - By the way, have they attached Crimea? So, it is necessary to get the bones of the drowned White Guards in Crimea, who have already laid down their arms, and to initiate a criminal case with a thorough investigation of the circumstances of this crime, symbolically and worldwide. I think that Latvia, which is asking for reparations from Russia, at this moment will unpleasantly suck in the stomach. And I even guess why. And I even admit that the issue of reparations by Latvia will be postponed, well, quite a long box. But Latvia is so, incidentally. But the Zionists would be nice to really strain. For their soul, this investigation needs to be done! And the execution of the imperial family would be very nice to investigate precisely from the point of view from which the crimes of ethnic criminal groups are being investigated. I think that we would learn a lot of interesting things.
          The same Latvians appeal to Russia. The same Ukrainians in the person of Yushchenko appeal to Russia in their claims. Kazakhstan also had a terrible famine. But I have no complaints against the Russians, for the Russian people have also suffered. But is someone to blame for this famine? Well, pin is clear ... In Kazakhstan, too, it is necessary to begin an investigation into the activities of the Zionist Goloshchekin (who, incidentally, was also happy to shoot the royal family, especially when he was bullying the tsar's children). It's time to restore historical justice, or I do not believe in justice at all! am Or then I believe in brute stupid power and this is where my whole philosophy will end! am
      4. kotyara
        kotyara 21 March 2014 21: 10
        +1
        More likely from the Baltic states!
      5. thrower
        thrower 21 March 2014 22: 40
        +6
        Jews with the Holocaust were not the first, but the most successful)))
        True, and here Putin surpassed them - America paid for the return of the Crimea)))
        1. family tree
          family tree 21 March 2014 22: 58
          +3
          Quote: thrower
          True, and here Putin surpassed them - America paid for the return of the Crimea)))

          what Damn, finally, Crimea Crimeans worked with Putin, the staff of 5 lard paid for it. The question is, where is the loot? Even I do not observe pay for a job well done what This, accountant, Kiev, grandmother drive, what or turn on the counter?
          1. Simon
            Simon 22 March 2014 07: 19
            0
            That's right, ask from Kiev, they have a Maidan hole in their pocket. lol
        2. Simon
          Simon 22 March 2014 07: 16
          0
          The Americans had to read Bismarck, and they are stepping on another's rake! laughing
      6. 120352
        120352 21 March 2014 23: 09
        +1
        I certainly don’t know whether the Ukrainians and Poles came from the Greeks, but, it seems to me, they had a common monkey.
      7. Bunchuk36
        Bunchuk36 21 March 2014 23: 11
        +5
        No, it is the Greeks and Poles who descended from the "proto-ukrov", and the Jews, by the way, too. And for several thousand years, the "protoukry" built pyramids, and Atlantis sank during the flood of the Bug.
        1. Simon
          Simon 22 March 2014 07: 23
          +1
          Yes! We need to give them boxing gloves and let them understand who came from whom, and we'll see, we will bet! Protoukry ... ha, ha! The most important protoucr is Yushchenko. laughing
      8. Simon
        Simon 22 March 2014 07: 07
        0
        Interesting! And the current famine and the financial collapse that will soon happen to the Ukrainians, to whom will they write off? request
      9. avg
        avg 22 March 2014 11: 02
        +1
        Quote: tumbleweed
        Ukrainians and Poles did not come from the Greeks? They also come up with some kind of famines and Katyn and demand compensation from Russia for a billion billion quadrillion dollars so that grandchildren do not have to work ...

        All, tremble. Now you definitely came under Ukrainian sanctions. Everyone knows that it was from ancient ukrov that the monkey originated, from which the ancient Greeks later went.
    2. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 21 March 2014 21: 33
      +3
      Communists well done if not for the war in Afghanistan and the United States that undermined the economy of the USSR, we would be higher than the United States and China. The collapse of the EU is inevitable, but for the EU and the power of the United States.
    3. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 21 March 2014 21: 45
      +4
      and I would pay the Balts and not be greedy, they would deserve this for the occupation of the Soviet Union’s rubbish, and you need to pay as quickly as possible, using iskanders as currency.
      1. family tree
        family tree 21 March 2014 22: 28
        +4
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        currencies use iskander.

        Yes figs to them, and not "Iskander", to wait a little, they themselves will be asked back, they will also pay extra to take it. Greedy me request
      2. thrower
        thrower 21 March 2014 22: 43
        +2
        no, here recently they destroyed old ammunition, it was necessary to throw off their Baltic states, let them rejoice. Again, the SS march without Soviet bombs somehow didn’t look very good
    4. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 21 March 2014 23: 00
      +1
      Guys, in the subject! FROM THE GOVERNMENT received a statement-personally to me-ferry, On Taman. 4 COP NOT ENOUGH. BUT THESE MILLIONS.
    5. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 22 March 2014 16: 33
      0
      So far we have not presented anything. How much did they pay Israel there? Multiply by 50 ...
  2. ZU-23
    ZU-23 21 March 2014 19: 01
    +25
    All of you foreigners will soon recall Lenin and even Stalin with a kind word laughing
    1. ArhipenkoAndrey
      ArhipenkoAndrey 22 March 2014 05: 52
      0
      So they already remember, well, of course, besides the countries of eternal beggars, the Baltic States and the new Outskirts, ready to spit at least into their own mother, just tossed a penny on a freebie.
    2. ArhipenkoAndrey
      ArhipenkoAndrey 22 March 2014 05: 52
      0
      So they already remember, well, of course, besides the countries of eternal beggars, the Baltic States and the new Outskirts, ready to spit at least into their own mother, just tossed a penny on a freebie.
  3. God of war
    God of war 21 March 2014 19: 01
    -10%
    The exit of the European Union is the creation of the United States of Europe
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 21 March 2014 23: 19
      +2
      Quote: God of war
      The exit of the European Union is the creation of the United States of Europe

      The EU’s exits are over, there are only calls left ...
      1. ArhipenkoAndrey
        ArhipenkoAndrey 22 March 2014 05: 58
        +1
        No, it won't work, they can't come to an agreement anyway, if there are new EU members, nothing will work out except for squabbling over a free cake, and over time it will only intensify, there is only one chance, if Germany finally uses its historical experience, it will start working closely with Russia, although "sunny" Britain will simply not allow this, as it has happened at all times, but this union could become the first bone in the skeleton of a truly united Eurasia.
      2. ArhipenkoAndrey
        ArhipenkoAndrey 22 March 2014 05: 58
        0
        No, it won't work, they can't come to an agreement anyway, if there are new EU members, nothing will work out except for squabbling over a free cake, and over time it will only intensify, there is only one chance, if Germany finally uses its historical experience, it will start working closely with Russia, although "sunny" Britain will simply not allow this, as it has happened at all times, but this union could become the first bone in the skeleton of a truly united Eurasia.
    2. RND
      RND 22 March 2014 02: 21
      +2
      Quote: God of war
      The exit of the European Union is the creation of the United States of Europe

      Fear God! The phrase "United States" causes a gag reflex, coupled with uncontrolled aggression !!!
    3. Simon
      Simon 22 March 2014 07: 35
      0
      Yeah ..! Germany and France collect all coupons, and the rest of the countries are dropping, they have already pulled everything out of there, and production itself has collapsed. Under CMEA, Bulgaria was a flourishing state, how many fruits, vegetables and Bulgarian wine were in the Union, and now ....? Apparently became a state of Europe. fool
  4. svetlomor
    svetlomor 21 March 2014 19: 03
    +43
    This is what, Russia has squeezed Crimea, the fleet and other property, and Ukraine for this is another 11 billion dollars for gas, aerobatics.
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 21 March 2014 19: 21
      +11
      But yak! you have to think carefully! To begin with, the Foreign Minister should be competent! (If there is, of course!) hi
      1. v53993
        v53993 21 March 2014 20: 09
        +11
        To begin with, the Foreign Minister must be competent to appoint! (If there is, of course!)
        They will join Russia and they will also have a competent Foreign Ministry, the same as we have now. And it will be Sergey Lavrov.
        1. vagabundo55
          vagabundo55 22 March 2014 00: 09
          +1
          Eastern Ukraine and South will very soon strive for reunification with Russia, like Crimea. This is the best way to restore a destroyed economy, social sphere. This is a reliable guarantee of security and a healthy future.
          But there will be no intra-Ukrainian and Ukrainian-Russian world. This is not part of the American project to create controlled instability zones at the borders.
          Russia. The neo-Nazi government in Kiev, with the support of the United States, Bandera's underdogs will constantly aggravate relations with the industrial East of Ukraine because of its pro-Russian orientation, that is, with the Ukrainian "yami" and with all Russians in general. Kiev will be turned into a fortified area, a den of terrorism.
          snake and stable aggression. They will not leave voluntarily, because the performance is paid by overseas puppeteers, and the money will have to be worked out carefully. Sovereign and healthy Ukraine, the United States is not needed. It needs growing chaos and atmosphere: the worse Eastern Ukraine and especially Russia, the better Ukraine Western and especially the USA.
          As a result, things can very likely reach the split of Ukraine into Western and Eastern, as it was before 1939. The Americans broke off with the Crimea, and now they will do everything to split the country, the civil war with its transfer to the outside. So, the most formidable events are ahead ...It's only the beginning...
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          1. Simon
            Simon 22 March 2014 07: 43
            0
            So, they will gain bonded loans and what will we pay these loans? Eureka will only ask if we pay for them, and Ukraine itself is unlikely to pay, it will be like in Greece.
      2. thrower
        thrower 21 March 2014 22: 44
        +1
        Lavrov, if that, will not remain without work))
    2. kush62
      kush62 21 March 2014 19: 32
      +19
      This is what, Russia has squeezed out Crimea, the fleet and other property, and Ukraine for this is another 11 billion dollars for gas, aerobatics

      As it turned out 16 billion. We have provided them at a reduced price for renting Sevastopol since 2017. Well, since our Crimea, drive the grandmother back!
      1. Krasnoarmeec
        Krasnoarmeec 21 March 2014 20: 06
        +4
        Well, I still need to get money, I'm afraid that "Ukrainian government" is not going to do this .....
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        2. Walk
          Walk 21 March 2014 21: 45
          +2
          Going or not, but they still have no money.
        3. gfs84
          gfs84 21 March 2014 22: 03
          0
          The "maydanut" authorities have only money:

          Macro-financial assistance from the European Union in the amount of € 1,61 billion will go to Ukraine before the beginning of May of this year, said Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk. “The EU has decided to increase macro-financial assistance to Ukraine from € 610 million to € 1 billion 610 million. The deadline for crediting these funds is the end of April - beginning of May 2014,” Mr. Yatsenyuk quoted Interfax as saying.

          http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2436251...

          Well, under loan agreements with Russia, all this money goes immediately to Russia ...)))
        4. Nick
          Nick 21 March 2014 22: 13
          +2
          Quote: Krasnoarmeec
          Well, I still need to get money, I'm afraid that "Ukrainian government" is not going to do this .....

          Then all the property of the "independent" will be subject to annexation ...
      2. Duke
        Duke 21 March 2014 20: 35
        +15
        Quote: kush62
        As it turned out 16 billion. We have provided them at a reduced price for renting Sevastopol since 2017. Well, since our Crimea, drive the grandmother back!

        And Ukraine needs a lawsuit for the illegal occupation of Crimea.
        1. thrower
          thrower 21 March 2014 22: 46
          +1
          and the bill for the maintenance of Yanukovych now, also, apparently, is not cheap
        2. Simon
          Simon 22 March 2014 07: 46
          +1
          Yes, wherever you go, from all sides, Ukraine is in shit on the neck! recourse
  5. Siberian19
    Siberian19 21 March 2014 19: 05
    +9
    Another candidate for membership in the Russian Federation! hi
    1. jjj
      jjj 21 March 2014 19: 28
      +5
      Also a peninsula, also on the south sea. And in Greece - everything is there
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 21 March 2014 21: 10
        +2
        Quote: jjj
        Also a peninsula, also on the south sea. And in Greece - everything is there
        --and there and to the straits at your fingertips ........ from and the Black Sea will become an inland Russian body of water ..........
      2. RND
        RND 22 March 2014 02: 54
        +1
        Quote: jjj
        Also a peninsula, also on the south sea. And in Greece - everything is there
      3. Simon
        Simon 22 March 2014 07: 48
        0
        But Greece needs to join the Customs Union, the state will straighten right away and the islands will remain with it. And the sooner the better. yes
  6. Wiruz
    Wiruz 21 March 2014 19: 07
    +23
    To me, as a "techie", all these economic and bureaucratic articles are understandable through a word. Is Greece in trouble? Let them be sold to Russia. Let their Crimean and Krasnodar historical relatives tell them how good it is in Russia.
    You look at that, and Obama will be found shot dead in the basement of the office. laughing laughing laughing
    1. mad
      mad 21 March 2014 20: 03
      +4
      No, I bet that polite people in a white hoodie with a high cap will come and lynch the overtly negro!
  7. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 21 March 2014 19: 08
    +20
    Quote: svetlomor
    This is what, Russia has squeezed Crimea, the fleet and other property, and Ukraine for this is another 11 billion dollars for gas, aerobatics.

    And Obama invested 5 billion in the Maidan .. This brilliant multi-entry will go down in the history of diplomacy ..
  8. delfinN
    delfinN 21 March 2014 19: 12
    +27
    "In line, you sons of bitches ..."
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 21 March 2014 19: 27
      +8
      Why is Russia so "our"? They already have a bunch of ghost towns, cities, bankrupts, LIKE "bankrupt" pension funds, in connection with which people are not paid pensions, over 3 million people are in local gulags ...
      In FIG is such a yoke of Russia?
      1. Yura
        Yura 21 March 2014 20: 47
        +5
        Quote: ia-ai00
        Why is Russia so "our"? They already have a bunch of ghost towns there

        And the United States has a ghostly future and the United States itself will become a ghost country, but the truth is such a yoke.
      2. Simon
        Simon 22 March 2014 07: 53
        0
        It is necessary to withdraw all Russian capital from the United States and then America itself will be littered with its candy wrappers, let them then at least stoke fireplaces with them.
    2. ZU-23
      ZU-23 21 March 2014 19: 32
      +11
      By the way, laughter, laughter, but the picture, in fact, in fact, I noticed this myself, only at the expense of Obama, it seems to me he would have escaped to us from his special services. Even as Putin said that you can’t even imagine who else is seeking asylum from us after snowden, by any means he had in mind high-ranking Americans.
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  9. vovan1949
    vovan1949 21 March 2014 19: 16
    +21
    Only 23 years have passed since the coup in the USSR, and many already understand that the capitalist path of development leads to the death of civilization. Maybe it will reach Putin?
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 21 March 2014 19: 25
      +17
      the capitalist path of development leads to the death of civilization

      Partly disagree. More likely to die souls, a national idea, a certain character trait not of a nation, but of peoples. People "originally from the USSR" this soul until they’ve lost, and God forbid they don’t lose, which cannot be said about the West. For example, America, it seems, is developing, like a superpower, sort of strong and powerful, but it does not live, it only exists. AND Russian Soul they will never understand.
      1. kolovorot
        kolovorot 21 March 2014 23: 49
        +1
        Bismarck's words: do not start anything against Russia "for your every trick, Russia will respond with its unpredictable stupidity" as can be seen from the babble of the American State Department, they did not even consider the option of Crimea entering Russia! COUNTED !!! Vivat Russia !!!
    2. SkiF_RnD
      SkiF_RnD 21 March 2014 19: 58
      +6
      Maybe it will reach Putin?


      He understands that trying to stir up everything at once is a political suicide. They simply won’t understand him. About the same capitalism, for example, most citizens of the Russian Federation do not share your opinion. This does not mean that the opinion is wrong. But that means Putin’s hands are tied. His task for the remaining seven years is to do some of the most important things that you yourself guess, probably.
      1. arane
        arane 21 March 2014 21: 38
        +7
        Capitalism, as a way of economic development, is nevertheless more preferable than communist. Remember the basic principles of socialism, and especially communism.
        This is probably the main reason for the collapse of the USSR. The Chinese understood this, and the result is obvious.

        But democracy, as a form of government, is utopia. There has never been democracy, no, and never will be. Nowhere.
        This is a means of fooling people, creating an illusion ...
        In general, I am for the monarchy. Only real ...
        1. family tree
          family tree 21 March 2014 22: 35
          +2
          Quote: arane
          In general, I am for the monarchy. Only real ..

          Schazz! Kolka number two, by inheritance, and again in the ass what
          1. thrower
            thrower 21 March 2014 22: 52
            +3
            There is such a situation - you decided to make repairs in the apartment, but every week you change the foreman with the brigade - will your repair be over?
            There is a master - there is order, no master - the land is ownerless. Putin will leave, who will we choose from the two, Nemtsov or Navalny?
            Evil irony, but after takeoff, the fall scares.
          2. arane
            arane 21 March 2014 23: 36
            +1
            There is no point in arguing, the question is complicated! Simply and briefly, democracy is the power of a financially-aligarchic clique!
            Anytime and anywhere!
        2. thrower
          thrower 21 March 2014 22: 49
          +1
          I agree, only how to persuade Putin to become emperor?
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          2. ty60
            ty60 22 March 2014 00: 40
            0
            Proclaim by referendum.
    3. thrower
      thrower 21 March 2014 22: 49
      0
      Putin probably got it, but it’s not easy, he inherited such a Caudle, there are at least a dozen loyal people to find that happiness. Until now, Chubais is not on the bunk - this is not casual.
    4. Simon
      Simon 22 March 2014 07: 55
      0
      And Putin has long been aware of this. He now corrects the mistakes of past grief rulers.
  10. diff
    diff 21 March 2014 19: 16
    +2
    Yeah! When in your pocket a lot of strange ideas come into your head. Well, on the other hand, we must remember and know that in the EU everyone is rich, not like under the Communists, and free-thinking. So they think to themselves everything that will inflate to the head. laughing
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 21 March 2014 21: 28
      +14
      Quote: diff
      we must remember and know that in the EU everyone is rich, not like under the communists, and free-thinking.

      Especially "garno" there will feel self-serving.
      1. samotlor
        samotlor 21 March 2014 21: 36
        0
        Quote: BoA KAA
        Quote: diff
        we must remember and know that in the EU everyone is rich, not like under the communists, and free-thinking.

        Especially "garno" there will feel self-serving.

        I laugh
      2. samotlor
        samotlor 21 March 2014 21: 36
        0
        Quote: BoA KAA
        Quote: diff
        we must remember and know that in the EU everyone is rich, not like under the communists, and free-thinking.

        Especially "garno" there will feel self-serving.

        I laugh
  11. Monk
    Monk 21 March 2014 19: 17
    +4
    Quote: svetlomor
    This is what, Russia has squeezed Crimea, the fleet and other property, and Ukraine for this is another 11 billion dollars for gas, aerobatics.


    This is our diplomacy. fellow
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 21 March 2014 21: 32
      +14
      Quote: Monk
      This is our diplomacy.

      Sergey Viktorovich - happy birthday! Good luck and fortitude in defending the interests of RUSSIA.
  12. parus2nik
    parus2nik 21 March 2014 19: 19
    +10
    I don’t understand the Greeks .. the West did so much evil, and they are drawn to it .. The European crusaders in 1204 stormed Orthodox Constantinople, on the ruins of the Byzantine Empire, founded the Latin Empire .. just think about the name .. During the Greek struggle for independence against the Turks, Europe .. delayed the decision on a joint peacekeeping operation with Russia against Turkey, Russia brought freedom to Greece .. Greece delve into the historical memory of who is your friend and who is the enemy .. and welcome to the Customs Union ..
    The Baltic states, and I would agree to the requirements of the Baltic states, under the following conditions:
    1. Removing bans from Soviet symbols
    2. The prohibition of Nazi organizations and any parades of collaborators
    3.Non-citizens of the Baltic states receive all civil rights, without any conditions
    4.Russian language acquires the status of state
    5. Exit from NATO and the EU
    The list of requirements can be continued and the main condition, the slightest violation of the presented conditions, in the opinion of Russia .. the Baltic States do not take into account and no commissions are made for the analysis of violations .. the payments are not only stopped, but it is also obligated to pay penalties for violation of the conditions agreement ...
    1. mad
      mad 21 March 2014 20: 06
      +5
      your option will not work, only the grave will correct the hunchback!
      1. parus2nik
        parus2nik 21 March 2014 20: 17
        +4
        I know it won't work .. But such unfeasible conditions, while the conditions are not subject to discussion, can and I think it is necessary to expose to all those who demand "compensation for the" Soviet occupation ", they will stall faster .. and they will no longer demand ..
    2. max702
      max702 21 March 2014 20: 54
      +6
      They should change the Ladshaft, and not the terms of the contracts .. Then they will understand.
    3. internatio
      internatio 22 March 2014 02: 30
      0
      Greeks and Greeks are at odds, especially Ukrainian modern Greek. So the eastern regions with a high percentage of Greeks are too tough for neo-Nazis, they’ll break their teeth!
  13. Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 21 March 2014 19: 20
    +20
    I don’t know how Greece, but the tuna balts salmon from the Russian Federation, but will not receive reparations.
  14. Ship
    Ship 21 March 2014 19: 23
    +1
    1. no one would start a war if later reparations had to be paid
    2. losers must pay
  15. darksoul
    darksoul 21 March 2014 19: 29
    +4
    An example of a Baltic infectious, the following Germans will demand reparations from us for the fact that we made them attack ourselves smile
    1. Ustian
      Ustian 21 March 2014 20: 31
      +5
      Quote: darksoul
      next Germans will require reparations

      the following Germans will speak Arabic and pray in mosques laughing
  16. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 21 March 2014 19: 30
    +4
    Gemi su
    ...
    2. losers must pay

    Those who unleashed the war must pay, and their allies.
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 21 March 2014 21: 17
      0
      Quote: ia-ai00
      Those who unleashed the war must pay, and their allies.
      --Britania, for such words, you and I’ll eat you .......... and the Yankees will bite
  17. Ivan 63
    Ivan 63 21 March 2014 19: 32
    +4
    I don’t know how it is about Greece’s claims to Germany, but about the Baltic states, if you calculate how much they invested in, they won’t even pay for a century.
  18. Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol 21 March 2014 19: 38
    +6
    Reparations, confiscations, proclamations, delegations, expropriations ...
    Around one Salvage, Sodom and Gomorrah Salvage ...
    Really already tired ...
    Let people just LIVE!
    Drown Britain with America (Modern Atlantis)!
    God forgive me!
  19. targitai
    targitai 21 March 2014 19: 38
    +4
    Europe is a half body. One by one, EU countries are sliding into scrap. And here is how a radical leader will come to such countries and inspire the people that they should not demand theirs, but take them by force. And that’s it, wait for civil wars throughout Europe, or World War III.
  20. andrei332809
    andrei332809 21 March 2014 19: 40
    +4
    read, read ... I understood one thing, absolutely EVERYONE in Europe is used to freebies, but they really don't want to pay off their debts. and further. Was it not the Greeks, together with the Nazis and the Nazis, wanted to chop off a "piece" of the USSR?
    py.s. there are people on the site who have the Greek flag. enlighten request
  21. kelevra
    kelevra 21 March 2014 19: 53
    +2
    The main thing is that this kind of thinking is cultivated in the world, and not just in Russia. This means that people begin to think who the enemy really is and who has any plans for others.
  22. delfinN
    delfinN 21 March 2014 19: 53
    +6
    Meanwhile, Usmanov sold shares of the stub and facebook and acquired shares of Chinese technology companies.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 21 March 2014 19: 59
      +5
      Quote: delfinN
      Meanwhile, Usmanov

      So are we, in vain, faulty of our financiers? such a kid you can’t imagine in a day what
  23. sergo
    sergo 21 March 2014 20: 03
    +1
    Good site for ISKANDERS
  24. individual
    individual 21 March 2014 20: 03
    +2
    Why Russia and Germany will not unite.
    After all, apparently we have built similar "TEMPLES" on the porches of which the eternally poor and offended Balts are begging on the one hand, and on the other, always cheerful Greeks who have everything, and even more debts.
  25. Capyar 48315
    Capyar 48315 21 March 2014 20: 04
    +2
    that in Yakutia or in the Mongolian People's Republic (where industry was created from scratch), that in Europe - the GDR, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia. Could solve the economic problems of Greece.

    And Yakutia on this list with what a fright?
    If the development of events follows the “Greek version”, then in a matter of years only memories may remain from the European Union.

    Rather, the EU will be reformatted and divided into polynomials and non-members ( laughing (names and wording will certainly be more diplomatic) with discrimination and a vassal position of the latter. It will be clothed in completely decently-veiled, but harsh forms. And it will pass not in a matter of years, but gradually and time-spread. However, I do not rule out the possibility that they would be particularly burdensome and at the same time not having compensating this factor for geostrategic significance, so to speak, not to bother ... to have a friendly European family and go to your own ... forest.
  26. Shum86
    Shum86 21 March 2014 20: 07
    +1
    http://apotime.ru/publ/skhimonakhinja_nila_prorochestva_o_rossii/6-1-0-7
  27. pvv113
    pvv113 21 March 2014 20: 08
    +11
    Latvia and Lithuania. The essence of the issue is that these republics were not able to achieve significant economic results in 20 years of independence. They still have not reached the level even of 1990, squandered most of the industrial enterprises created in the Soviet years
    These rams thought that Europe was waiting for them with open arms. And Europe sucked out everything that was possible from them and threw it away like a used condom
  28. konvalval
    konvalval 21 March 2014 20: 19
    +4
    Quote: vovan1949
    Only 23 years have passed since the coup in the USSR, and many already understand that the capitalist path of development leads to the death of civilization. Maybe it will reach Putin?

    I have no doubt that this did not leave him. This is not the time for him to spread it. The time will come, I think he will announce this.
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  30. mithridate
    mithridate 21 March 2014 20: 21
    +5
    Greece - a visual aid for Ukraine
    1. Delink
      Delink 21 March 2014 20: 26
      +4
      The bad news is that these manuals do not even open and do not read.
    2. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 21 March 2014 23: 43
      +2
      Quote: Mithridates
      Greece - a visual aid for Ukraine
      As if Greece itself is good there fool
      Copyast:
      The historical context is that, having entered the euro zone and gaining access to abundant and fairly cheap loans, the stupid (frankly) Greek governments directed them not to modernize and develop sectors of the real economy, but to "beautiful life."

      In the pre-crisis years, Greece spent the most on public and private consumption - 97% (!!!!). The number of civil servants growing from year to year, reaching almost a million, with unjustifiably high salaries. Moreover, they officially received 14 monthly salaries, 12 regular and one for Christmas and Easter. One striking fact speaks best of the size of the "freebie": before the 2008 crisis, Greek civil servants received a SEPARATE ADDITIONAL BONUS TO WAGE FOR COMING TO WORK ON TIME (!!!!!).

      Private firms also did not lag behind, paying salaries at 16-18. To this should be added literally imposed on everyone, including the unemployed, bank loans. The service sector began to bring almost 80% of GDP.

      The students lived "beautifully" (remember Tatiana's Day). Not only a completely free education, but also free books, food, almost free accommodation and travel.

      The high level of pensions for a significant part of pensioners (and they are almost a third of the population), populist governments have constantly raised them. Incredible facts: 1,4 million pensioners received one pension in Greece, 930 thousand received TWO PENSIONS, 303 thousand received THREE PENSIONS. It was revealed 258 people who received SEVEN PENSIONS (!!!!!). In 2012 alone, 200 fake pension recipients were identified, mostly under the guise of imaginary invalids, or real, but long dead ("dead souls").

      Couldn't this "freebie" last forever. And the attitude to the suffering of Greek families is ambiguous: it is a pity, of course, especially for the elderly and children, but on the other hand, we took a walk, had fun with loans, beyond our means - now we have to pay.

      And the thing, in my opinion, in this case is not only in the EU or the CU. The reason is primarily a mediocre government policy. But ordinary citizens who have lost their heads and grabbed lungs, as it seemed to be loans, also pay their debts. In the case of Greece, the EU-TS dilemma does not work.
  31. Mainbeam
    Mainbeam 21 March 2014 20: 40
    +1
    Time will put everything in its place. A good example is with Greece, and all the more indicative is the example with the demand for compensation from the Baltic states.

    Latvia and Lithuania ... could not achieve significant economic results in the 20 years of independence. They still have not reached the level of even the 1990 of the year, squandered most of the industrial enterprises created in the Soviet years

    Another element of the mosaic. So you read about Ukraine, and you will understand what is happening in the world.
    And why are stupid Maydanovites so eager for Europe
  32. zeksus
    zeksus 21 March 2014 20: 45
    +5
    Let them go to hell !!!!! Our country is great, this cannot be taken away from us !!!!!
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 21 March 2014 21: 09
      +1
      Quote: zeksus
      Let them go to hell !!!!! Our country great, this cannot be taken away from us !!!!!
      The checkbox is yellowish-black, kagbe is ambiguous.
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 21 March 2014 21: 14
        +1
        A flag is not a definition of a nation. Well, and if a Ukrainian, it’s-BROTHER!
      2. arane
        arane 21 March 2014 21: 47
        +2
        Ohhh, zeksusa recruiting? The flag is striped ....
        Joke laughing
      3. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 21 March 2014 21: 48
        0
        And about your flag, I generally SILENT!
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 21 March 2014 23: 08
          +2
          Quote: ia-ai00
          And about your flag, I generally SILENT!

          Nothing to say? And I'm not disguising, I'm really where I am, and the profile clearly says: Residence: USA. Why - this is a conversation for another topic.
  33. Black
    Black 21 March 2014 20: 57
    +1
    The Greeks and their civilizational path are a vivid example of what becomes of a nation when it gets too fat !!!
  34. ipshum
    ipshum 21 March 2014 21: 06
    +2
    Greece joined the EU back in 1981, and, as we see, 33 years of membership in this organization led it from the “Greek economic miracle” to exclusion from developed markets and the threat of default.
    Is the EU so old? The Union was legally enshrined in the Maastricht Treaty in 1992 (entered into force on November 1, 1993)
    Author, teach a story.
  35. Snowfall
    Snowfall 21 March 2014 21: 08
    +1
    The EU is an economic occupation of states, and some do not see this and they all go to Europe.
  36. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 21 March 2014 21: 08
    +1
    But if you think about it, you can imagine how many people in the WORLD saw the CRIMEAN JOY for joining GREAT RUSSIA on the air! Because of this, people from enemy countries and neutral ones, the "ROOF" can "move out" ... They are being poured on their brains that in Russia, well, absolutely, sorry, it sucks, but here the whole "united state" of the island for HAPPINESS considers returning to Russia and half of Ukraine dreams of the same ...
    Their brain comput probably "hangs"!
    1. paul1992
      paul1992 21 March 2014 21: 23
      +1
      they just don’t show it ;-)
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 21 March 2014 21: 55
        +2
        In addition to state TV, there is cable, "plates", ineet, so whoever wanted to, I think found it.
        Even the Ukrainians saw, though the Nazis punished for this, clearly showed their "DЭMOCRITICITY "...
  37. Koenig39
    Koenig39 21 March 2014 21: 15
    +3
    Quote: individ
    Why Russia and Germany will not unite.
    After all, apparently we have built similar "TEMPLES" on the porches of which the eternally poor and offended Balts are begging on the one hand, and on the other, always cheerful Greeks who have everything, and even more debts.

    Germany is an independent country under the occupation of US troops
  38. skyil
    skyil 21 March 2014 21: 18
    +1
    There will still be roofing felts, sanctions will begin to take effect. As for Russia, the question is clear, everything will have to be pulled out by itself. But as for the West, the question is very interesting, because they have to return their loot, lost in Russia, and where to get it? Here and useful such as Greece and other European Union .- And in Russia they will not be accepted!
  39. sv68
    sv68 21 March 2014 21: 27
    +1
    in Greece, everything is there, but I won’t be amazed if Greece’s rich Euro-sponsors are simply dismantled for parts
  40. Orenburg
    Orenburg 21 March 2014 21: 57
    +1
    Quote: Ustian
    Quote: darksoul
    next Germans will require reparations

    the following Germans will speak Arabic and pray in mosques laughing
    No, all the same in Turkish. Unless, of course, we intervene ...
  41. pensioner
    pensioner 21 March 2014 22: 02
    +1
    the required amount will not cover even half of the Greek debt (for the summer of 2013 - 321 billion euros)
    Not ... I can understand a lot of things, especially if I try ... But HOW 10t of millions of people could eat only external debts for a third or more of the evergreen milliard, I just can not understand !!! And to this + domestic debt ... In short, I read somewhere that the total debt of Greece, including state obligations for borrowing companies, amounted to 2012. -700 billion dollars !!! A-FI-GET !!
    Once again - 10 million people ...
    1. wax
      wax 21 March 2014 22: 49
      +1
      That is why there is a world financial system based on the paper dollar, to distribute America's debts among countries NOT "golden billion".
  42. apollo
    apollo 21 March 2014 22: 31
    0
    The Greeks have a real chance to leave Europe and continue to live in peace.
  43. Domnul
    Domnul 21 March 2014 22: 48
    +2
    The author is mistaken - Cyprus was never occupied by Germany, including during the Second World War.
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  45. chainik8080
    chainik8080 21 March 2014 22: 56
    0
    Quote: stroporez
    Quote: ia-ai00
    Those who unleashed the war must pay, and their allies.
    --Britania, for such words, you and I’ll eat you .......... and the Yankees will bite

    Yes, we are from the high bell tower on the pindo! Owls and Saxons !!! Teeth will break, and what will remain we add !!! )
  46. chainik8080
    chainik8080 21 March 2014 23: 02
    0
    Yes, let them leave the EU, and welcome to the trade union)))! And the development of the country will be free trade! )
  47. Eric
    Eric 21 March 2014 23: 04
    0
    One Jew can deceive two Russians, one Greek two Jews. And one Armenian is two Greeks. The meaning, I think, is not necessary to explain?
  48. shelva
    shelva 22 March 2014 00: 00
    0
    "Only the devil can deceive a Greek, if God permits". NS Leskov.
  49. falcon
    falcon 22 March 2014 00: 01
    +1
    The Greeks are guys, apparently, are funny! The nation is something ancient, cunning. They don’t beg for money
    to the world (as Ukrainians), the Greeks insistently demand their own. Which already causes respect :)) How
    they say, arrogance is the second happiness! Was there an occupation? Was! Take out - yes put compensation!
    The Germans, however, the people, although less ancient, but also grated, fisted. Philosophers
    the Germans did not read Greek especially, they have their own, "German" philosophy - in order to live well, one must
    to work well. And therefore, they will send the Greeks away. But the Greeks do not need to be upset!
    After all, there are still Turks who, for three hundred years, in every way maliciously genocide the old woman Hellas. it
    pull lard a hundred European. If the Turks cannot be divorced, the Ottomans are cunning
    resourceful, too, do not lose heart! There are still Persians (current Iranians) - you can king them
    Remember Leonid (10 lard pulls). Here, however, there is a chance of a counterclaim
    run into - for the tricks of Alexander the Great in Persia (the noble occupier was), but, as
    It says - who does not take risks, hell is shorter forever! Thus, the prospects for
    Greeks, apparently, are. And they will not work anyway - the nation is ancient, cunning.
  50. Pukanpein
    Pukanpein 22 March 2014 00: 43
    0
    In the Ukrainian question, the Europeans wanted to eat fish and not to eat.
    Yes, only sanctions are sanctions, but you need to warm it at home.
    And immediately it was not profitable to trade the bike.
    Craftsmen from Europe miscalculated