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Americans are shocked by the effectiveness of the Russian army

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The modern Russian army is no longer the one that proved to be so weak in Afghanistan, says David Ignatius in an article for The Washington Post. According to the journalist, now it is a well-organized and disciplined organization, whose professionalism has helped to avoid bloodshed in the Crimea.

Judging from the photographs depicting the actions of the Russian special forces in the Crimea, we can draw the following conclusions, writes David Ignatius in an article for The Washington Post. They operate in secret, without identifying marks, and often cover their faces. They are disciplined and resolute.

The diplomatic reaction to the Russian intervention in Crimea is still ongoing, but the Pentagon authorities have already begun to evaluate the results of the lessons learned. The overall result is as follows, the journalist maintains, Russian actions in the Crimea were a lesson in the high-speed deployment of special forces to achieve a strictly limited goal.

“In Russian troops, I was most struck by the level of discipline, training and cooperation,” said Paul Sanders, executive director of the Center for National Interests.

At the time of the crisis in the Crimea, there were about 15 000 Russian troops, says David Ignatius. Within a few days, they were quickly joined by special forces consisting of about 5000 fighters. Military analysts, the journalist notes, have noticed some interesting features of the Russian deployment of troops. President Putin, a former KGB lieutenant colonel, preferred a covert operation to open military intervention.

Since the troops did not have any identifying marks, at a press conference Putin’s 4 March denied that they were Russian military. “Go to the store with us, and you will buy any form there,” he answered the question of the journalist. 5 in March, the president was supported by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, calling the “complete nonsense” reports that Russian troops invaded the Crimea.

This denial of real facts, according to the journalist, was very useful. Russia managed to cover up “illegal intervention” with the “fig leaf of legitimacy”. In addition, it would allow Putin to distance himself from what is happening if the case turned out to be the murder of Ukrainians.

In addition, Putin showed willingness to take risks. The blood has not yet been shed, says the journalist, but Putin could not know this when he started it all. That is why the discipline of the Russian troops is so important - their professionalism reduced the risk of incidents.

Finally, Putin has prepared a “rationale for his intervention,” writes David Ignatius. Putin acted in defense of the citizens of Russia and the Russian-speaking population in the Crimea. He was supported by both Crimeans and Russians. However, this model of behavior, the journalist believes, can be used to protect Russians in countries neighboring Russia (Eastern Ukraine or Transdniestria).

Experts say that it is less likely that Putin will oppose such neighboring states as Latvia and Lithuania. Such operations against NATO member countries will require a greater military presence, as well as test the alliance’s readiness to act in defense of its members in accordance with Article 5 of the NATO Charter. Putin may not be ready for this risk, says David Ignatius.

A well-organized operation in the Crimea demonstrates improved quality and training in the Russian army. 10 years ago in Chechnya and in 2008 in Georgia, they, according to the journalist, acted far less smoothly. Obviously, Russia is beginning to receive the results of increased funding and modernization of its army.

“In short, the current Russian army is not at all what has so weakly manifested itself in Afghanistan. She is well trained, acts inconspicuously and effectively uses a small area of ​​accommodation. Obviously, Putin’s military maneuvers, which signaled the alliance’s readiness to protect its members, did not stop Putin, but did not show the organization’s readiness to stop Russia's secret operations in a friendly neighboring region, ”the journalist states in an article for The Washington Post.
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  1. Berimor 2
    Berimor 2 20 March 2014 12: 32
    +101
    They have not yet seen our construction battalion. Those animals in general, they don’t even give them weapons (just kidding). But seriously - look and draw conclusions gentlemen.
    1. Tumbleweed
      Tumbleweed 20 March 2014 12: 34
      +46
      All the same, the fact that money went to the Army and Navy, which means that the equipment was updated and the exercises began to be held, did not pass without a trace. And in spirit, the Russian soldier was always strong.
      In the event of a serious mess, the mercenary army will yield to the draft, because life is more expensive than any money, and people go there to earn money, and not to defend their homeland. IMHO
      Americans in general, in my opinion, the infantry deducted from their accounts the emphasis on aircraft carriers, missiles and the Air Force, and here specialists even without tanks blocked the peninsula in a matter of hours ... There is something to think about
      1. Docent1984
        Docent1984 20 March 2014 12: 52
        +5
        It’s bad that it has already reached them ... The suddenness factor will not work anymore) And it is also unclear why he calls our marine corps special forces.
        1. aleks 62
          aleks 62 20 March 2014 14: 44
          +4
          We did not have the marines .... I.e. she was in fact, but did not take part ...
        2. Ustian
          Ustian 20 March 2014 15: 18
          +1
          Quote: Docent1984
          it has already arrived ... The surprise factor will no longer work) And it is also unclear why he calls our marines troops special forces.

          For the hundredth time it repeats:The Russian army was not there request winked , but will be in Russian territory -This is about the factor, and what came to them is their problems !!! hiThere is a lie in a fairy tale, but a hint in it wink
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      2. Rustam
        Rustam 20 March 2014 13: 02
        +22
        Tumbleweed
        All the same, the money went to the Army and Navy, which means that the equipment was updated


        Many do not like my words, but still

        It’s not money, the money was under Ivanov and Co., only real changes went after the August conflict of 2008 and the work of many independent Taburetkin

        here and compare our army in 2008 and now -5 years there was a man at the helm

        good quote prokhor_tebin)

        And I, citizens, think that we are now observing the face of the army built by Anatoly Serdyukov, hehe. One out of two. Either he ruined the army - but in a year Shoigu would not have managed to collect anything from the collapse, or the current state and appearance of the Armed Forces - a merit including his five years of work.


        photo The new face of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 20 March 2014 16: 27
          +5
          Quote: Rustam
          photo The new face of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation

          Sometimes I even regret that the idea of ​​collecting money by phone came from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, I think if our days had the same effect, the whole country would have thrown themselves into the AUG without problems.
        2. PLO
          PLO 20 March 2014 18: 24
          +3
          on the account of Serdyukov, absolutely all the mistakes that he could make, and which we see now, all other modern developments began long before Serdyukov’s appointment.

          here is the face of Serdyukovschina
          the shooter is not protected by an elementary armored shield, not to mention the "booth"
          1. Homo
            Homo 20 March 2014 19: 15
            +7
            So there the machine gun is not turret but the usual manual one. This is a temporary option.
            1. Angry reader
              Angry reader 20 March 2014 21: 55
              +4
              .... Stop-stop ... First you need to explain to critics that there is a turret ...) otherwise, you still will not bring anything ... Onizh military and ANALiTegs)))
          2. papas-57
            papas-57 20 March 2014 20: 17
            +2
            '' here is the face of Serdyukovshchina
            the shooter is not protected by an elementary armored shield, not to mention the "booth". But Taburetkin's armor is not penetrable by anything. I spent all my armor to protect myself, my beloved.
          3. papas-57
            papas-57 20 March 2014 20: 17
            0
            '' here is the face of Serdyukovshchina
            the shooter is not protected by an elementary armored shield, not to mention the "booth". But Taburetkin's armor is not penetrable by anything. I spent all my armor to protect myself, my beloved.
      3. Horst78
        Horst78 20 March 2014 13: 13
        +16
        Quote: tumbleweed
        Mercenary army nevertheless, in the event of a serious upheaval, he will yield to the draft, because life is more expensive than any money, and they go there to earn money, not to defend their homeland.
        Officers in the army work for money, not thanks. Yes, and the soldiers have money. So that? Our officers are mercenaries who will sell their homeland at the "first nix"?
        1. A mercenary army and a contract army are two TOTALLY different armies. In hired is hired anyone, both citizen and non-citizen (French Legion). In contract get a job only citizens of the country.
        2. At war ALL contract workers are becoming homeland defenders. But the mercenaries can just topple / go over to the side of the enemy.
      4. Andrey Ulyanovsky
        Andrey Ulyanovsky 20 March 2014 17: 37
        0
        There are three concepts mixed up:
        1. Sun on compulsory appeal,
        2. Aircraft under contract,
        3. PMCs.
        Mercenaries are a group of armed Landsknechts for ideological reasons or material gain, carrying out any, essentially unlawful (mercenary is prosecuted by law) on any territory and against any enemy. Any state cannot have a hired army in the Armed Forces or as an Armed Forces (they have no oath, are armed illegally, etc.).
        PMCs are legal entities that are contracted and insure their actions, operating in the legal. and physical persons and controlled by the state va. An example of PMCs of the Russian Federation is http://rsb-group.ru/.
        The Commander-in-Chief and the Defense Ministry hinted about these comrades. At VO already wrote about this.

        With the mercenaries, if anyone is contacted so protostrana such as Ukraine. IMHO, of course, I do not know other such "states".
        1. Noctis
          Noctis 21 March 2014 09: 12
          0
          hah ... I didn’t even imagine that we also have our own PMC ...
      5. blizart
        blizart 23 March 2014 14: 19
        0
        All the same, the fact that money went to the Army and Navy, which means that the equipment was updated and the exercises began to be conducted, did not pass without a trace

        Does everyone remember how the offensive of the West and the Maidan began in the long run? From the adoption of a package of laws on reforming the RF Armed Forces, new financing, and so on. and so on. Why did WWII begin in 41? That's right, because already in 42 it would be too late for the West
    2. svetlomor
      svetlomor 20 March 2014 12: 43
      +50
      Something like that.
      1. f.lourens
        f.lourens 20 March 2014 12: 54
        +27
        You have just declassified the latest development of our military-industrial complex a manual anti-tank shovel ... how are you not ashamed ?? its secrecy had high hopes in future conflicts .. and now they will come up with opposition in NATO laughing wassat
        1. Kuvabatake
          Kuvabatake 20 March 2014 13: 15
          +18
          Against the sapper blade? Counteraction? Do not make me laugh. It's impossible. How many decades have they been trying? A terrible Russian with a shovel in a melee has not yet been invented. laughing
        2. RND
          RND 20 March 2014 15: 16
          +4
          Quote: f.lourens
          You have just declassified the latest development of our military-industrial complex a manual anti-tank shovel ... how are you not ashamed ?? its secrecy had high hopes in future conflicts .. and now they will come up with opposition in NATO laughing wassat

          Come up with ... wassat Sit, perfect ...
      2. aleks 62
        aleks 62 20 March 2014 14: 46
        +4
        ... a cool example of a construction battalion fighter ...
    3. avg
      avg 20 March 2014 12: 45
      +55
      “In short, the current Russian army is not at all the one that showed itself so weakly in Afghanistan.

      It was he from what a fright so he decided about Afghanistan. Or mattress experts had never crawled out of the territory of the base to him, and only through the UAV video camera did the mountains tell the mountains about it.
      If we had given the Taliban a couple of dozen Eagles, Bumblebees and Métis, anti-war demonstrations would have swept Washington.
      1. aleks 62
        aleks 62 20 March 2014 14: 46
        0
        why so little ?????????????
        1. not main
          not main 20 March 2014 20: 47
          0
          Quote: aleks 62
          why so little ??

          Enough for them!
    4. Cap-3 USSR
      Cap-3 USSR 20 March 2014 12: 48
      +24
      It is felt that the journalist is a complete zero in politics. But the nice thing is that his conclusions smack of panic.
      1. nika407
        nika407 21 March 2014 14: 30
        0
        They judge everything by themselves, but nervousness is felt and this flatters, although not true.
    5. alex-s
      alex-s 20 March 2014 12: 52
      +7
      However, this model of behavior, the journalist believes, can be used to protect Russians in countries neighboring Russia (Eastern Ukraine or Transnistria).

      So in Germany there are many Russians!
      1. maks-101
        maks-101 20 March 2014 13: 37
        +6
        So in Germany there are many Russians!
        wait and they will come to you "Polite soldiers" RUSSIA.
      2. densh
        densh 21 March 2014 00: 50
        0
        Quote: alex-s
        So in Germany there are many Russians!

        No wonder Putin called the Russians the most divided nation in the world. yes
    6. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 20 March 2014 13: 09
      +4
      They themselves pushed Russia to form an army on a contract basis. Got a result ?!
      But this is the second bell. The first I think is the march of the Russian paratroopers in Yugoslavia!
      Toli will still be Oh-Oh-Oh! Do not anger the Bear, tear it up!
      1. Noctis
        Noctis 21 March 2014 09: 27
        0
        in the ancient world, the Roman Empire crushed Parthia, which had no mercenaries, unlike the legions of Rome ... they pressed, as a result, the Sassanids appeared in the year 226 and about the army:
        The official name of the army, adopted in the Sasanian state, is the Army of Rostam (Rustam). It was formed under Ardashir I Papakan, the founder of the Sassanid dynasty. The Sassanid army was founded in part by the revival of the Achaemenid military organization, the introduction of elements from the Parthian military organization with adaptation to the requirements of the time. The history of the Sassanid army is divided into two periods, pre-reform from Ardashir I to Khosrov Anushirvan, and post-reform from the reign of Khosrov Anushirvan to the fall of the dynasty. The fundamental difference between the two periods is that the army of the model created by Ardashir was essentially an irregular army, with the personal squads of individual feudal lords, while the post-reform army created by Khosrov Anushirvan was regular and professional.

        what came of it is in any history textbook)))
        I generally mean that, history repeated itself as Rome tried to ruin the Parthian empire in its time, America tried to ruin Russia, and just like in the case of Parthia, it practically succeeded (the USSR collapsed), but the story is somewhat similar, not right?
    7. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 20 March 2014 13: 20
      0
      Now there is no building battalion.
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 20 March 2014 13: 45
        +21
        They are lying about Afghanistan, our soldiers fought well in Afghanistan, especially the special forces, even the military Yankees themselves admitted this, since we had only personnel officers and ensigns, soldiers 18 year old boys were everywhere and in special forces too.
        1. tyumen901
          tyumen901 20 March 2014 14: 22
          +7
          I completely agree. He’s lying.
        2. typhoon7
          typhoon7 20 March 2014 15: 35
          +3
          I agree in Afghanistan, our fought very well, it is recognized and the spirits. In 2008, the mess was at the top, which allowed the command of the 58th Army to plan the operation on the spot and destroy in five days the Georgian army, armed and equipped better than ours. They were trained by NATO specialists. Outfitting is good, but crucial is fighting spirit, without which any army is incapable.
        3. flanker7
          flanker7 20 March 2014 23: 49
          0
          CATEGORALLY AGREE, well, just removed from the language, thanks!
          Well, as for this assessment about the victim, it’s the same American, they are damn, they can’t do it differently ... But they crap up with the whole world, this is a fact. And we are GOOD FELLOWS !!!
    8. upasika1918
      upasika1918 20 March 2014 13: 45
      +3
      My conclusion is Kudrin is an open enemy.
    9. fzr1000
      fzr1000 20 March 2014 14: 14
      +11
      Don't understand about CA in Afghanistan? We then left from there, with our heads held high and banners. And the enemy still respects us. Not like these ..
    10. 222222
      222222 20 March 2014 15: 35
      +7
      "Americans are shocked by the effectiveness of the Russian army .."
      . army yes .. but ..
      more shocked by the new in the reaction to crises, the speed of decision-making and their implementation in an ever-changing environment., the use of methods of information and psychological warfare (an open meeting of the Federation Council on permission to the President to send troops to Ukraine) .. community "..., reliance on the protest movement and competent management of the energy of the masses within the country ..., the readiness of the state machine to adopt the necessary and necessary constitutional acts in a short time ...
    11. pensioner
      pensioner 20 March 2014 17: 40
      0
      Quote: Berimor 2
      They have not yet seen our construction battalion. Those animals in general, they don’t even give them weapons (just kidding).

      And the marines? They’re insane construction battalions, who inexplicably fell into arms ...
    12. Nika-10
      Nika-10 20 March 2014 17: 54
      0
      We do it. We are next. Crimea is just a stone's throw away, and the North Crimean Canal in our territory flows. Not very upset.
    13. papas-57
      papas-57 20 March 2014 20: 24
      +1
      '' But seriously - look and draw conclusions gentlemen. '' But what to watch, put 5 thousand people in new outfit for show and that's it, stocks ran out. And ordinary soldiers serving in Russia for another 20 years will be in old camouflage.
    14. papas-57
      papas-57 20 March 2014 20: 24
      -1
      '' But seriously - look and draw conclusions gentlemen. '' But what to watch, put 5 thousand people in new outfit for show and that's it, stocks ran out. And ordinary soldiers serving in Russia for another 20 years will be in old camouflage.
    15. Megatron
      Megatron 20 March 2014 23: 37
      +1
      What kind of nonsense are these Americanos writing again - WHEN ARE WE WEAK IN WEAK IN AFGHAN ??
  2. Chuck-norris
    Chuck-norris 20 March 2014 12: 32
    +12
    I watched the TV channel Zvezda, exercises on the Far East, our dock there is still running in kirzach. So it’s too early to rejoice, you have to work and work. Glory to Russia!
    1. tochila
      tochila 20 March 2014 12: 41
      +33
      Why don’t they like the kirzachi? Our grandfathers halfway through Europe thrashed in them!
    2. cerko
      cerko 20 March 2014 12: 47
      +13
      I can explain to the kirzachs account, for the winter period, kirzachi are given to spring draftees, for summer, autumn draftees, berets are given in short they have two sets of shoes
    3. kostolom
      kostolom 20 March 2014 13: 22
      +1
      What's true is true, in the Far East most of the new form was seen only on the news request
  3. Gagarin
    Gagarin 20 March 2014 12: 32
    +21
    LIKE OUR ARMY - LOVE!
    LET YOU EVEN THOUGHT DEFINED THOUGHTS IN THE HEAD DON'T CREEP!
    1. Duke
      Duke 20 March 2014 12: 37
      +61
      We are together, peace and friendship.
      1. IGS
        IGS 20 March 2014 12: 46
        +37
        "Polite people will leave, but a good memory will remain ..." smile
        1. cozy
          cozy 20 March 2014 17: 18
          0
          Quote: IGS
          "Polite people will leave, but a good memory will remain ..." smile

          The time will come when in the evening polite masked people without identification marks will take control of the empty military bases of Crimea, and in the morning there will be polite people without masks in green uniform and with identification marks of the Russian Armed Forces. Not long left.
      2. Gunsmith
        Gunsmith 20 March 2014 13: 11
        +36
        That's why we came to the Crimea! Glory to Russia!
    2. avant-garde
      avant-garde 20 March 2014 12: 44
      +4
      Quote: Gagarin
      LIKE OUR ARMY - LOVE!

      a little more on piz ... t and the campaign will have to take a closer look at our army!
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    3. Sergh
      Sergh 20 March 2014 12: 47
      +35
      Quote: Gagarin
      LIKE OUR ARMY - LOVE!

      But don’t say that, I’m looking at our Crimean fighters, my soul rejoices, new equipment, all tiled, severe! One would like to say: -where my seventeen years old ...
      1. Manul
        Manul 20 March 2014 13: 04
        +13
        Quote: Sergh
        But don’t say that, I’m looking at our Crimean fighters, my soul rejoices, new equipment, all tiled, severe! One would like to say: -where my seventeen years old ...

        That's what I think .. Is it time to organize patriotic clubs where you can remember the skills of shooting from Kalash, throwing grenades, to master shooting from ATGMs, Bumblebees at will ... People think they will be ready to pay membership fees in such clubs. Military skills may come in handy. And a note on the military card about taking such a course!
        And you can also return in connection with exacerbations on a global background 2-year military service.
        1. AndreyS
          AndreyS 20 March 2014 14: 42
          +1
          Quote: Manul
          I’m thinking what it is .. Isn’t it time to organize patriotic clubs where you could recall the skills of shooting from Kalash, throwing grenades, to master shooting from ATGMs, Bumblebees at will ...

          A good, practical thought that can be implemented by the citizens themselves!
          1. Manul
            Manul 20 March 2014 14: 58
            0
            Quote: AndreyS
            A good, practical thought that can be implemented by the citizens themselves!

            Citizens themselves can and do put it into practice at the airsoft level. And at a serious level, training grounds, instructors, approvals for military weapons, and a system for admitting citizens to this occupation are needed.
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 20 March 2014 17: 12
              0
              Quote: Manul
              Citizens themselves can and do put it into practice at the level of airsoft.

              I have nothing against such outdoor activities as airsoft (paintball, etc.), on the contrary, it is completely in favor. But when I look at videos from such events, the analogy with domestic cats in a city apartment always begs. And they didn’t live in the wild and didn’t hunt, but they try to drink water from an open tap and like to hunt for a candy wrapper on a string ... But it’s better than beer from the neck at the entrance or on the playground.
              1. dry off
                dry off 20 March 2014 22: 00
                0
                Look online for a statement from one airsoft club on the outskirts (I don’t remember how it calls names, but it’s not difficult to find). That's where the conceit is!
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        2. aleks 62
          aleks 62 20 March 2014 14: 52
          +4
          From an ATGM it will probably be cool, if only on a simulator (a very expensive thing !!!) I remember at shooting exercises with the "Arrow", when asked "is it worth it?", The cap answered something like "2 pieces -" Zhiguli "... It was in the distant 80s ...
        3. IsailoR
          IsailoR 20 March 2014 17: 18
          +5
          From the Urals.
          I did not serve health. In reserve. APU - driver, rank of private. I am now 36 years old. I work. have a wife and two children.
          Even 2 years ago, I wrote to the local DOSAAF in the footsteps of a newspaper article about how they participate in the training and military gatherings of schoolchildren and students - that I and many of my friends would readily and for my money take training courses with 1-2 weeks fees during the holidays.
          There is still no answer. recourse
  4. J. Tapia
    J. Tapia 20 March 2014 12: 33
    +16
    so think 100 times before climbing to us ...
  5. W1950
    W1950 20 March 2014 12: 33
    +14
    What can I say, the green men showed themselves in all their glory. They did it. The thing was without noise and dust.
    1. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 20 March 2014 12: 48
      +4
      And most importantly, banderlogs did not try to rock the boat in the Crimea. Well, except that the provocations on the buses did not let them go.
    2. shtanko.49
      shtanko.49 20 March 2014 12: 53
      +4
      It is a pity that Serdyuk managed to disband 2 brigades of "green men", and he didn’t have anything for it, it’s very offensive. After all, this is the elite of our Armed Forces. 2 brigades of the GRU can capture the whole of Ukraine.
  6. Bort radist
    Bort radist 20 March 2014 12: 33
    +16
    Compliments from enemies are always alarming. Although everything is said in the case.
  7. neri73-r
    neri73-r 20 March 2014 12: 34
    +47
    The modern Russian army is not the one that has shown itself to be so weak in Afghanistan,

    Whatever article, then immediately pearl! Where they saw a weak army in Afghanistan, do not confuse yours in Vietnam with ours !!!
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 20 March 2014 12: 54
      +11
      Also cut! Wars "Afghans" would tell him how "weak" she was. Yes, and Chechnya, do not confuse the betrayal of the leadership and the backwardness of the army ..
  8. Draz
    Draz 20 March 2014 12: 34
    +41
    If the army of the USSR was weak in Afghanistan, then what army does the United States have? request
    1. W1950
      W1950 20 March 2014 12: 44
      +21
      The one that is afraid to stick its nose further than the fort. Even the Afghans themselves recognized our army, saying that Shuravi are warriors, and Americans are rubbish.
      1. shatu
        shatu 20 March 2014 14: 14
        0
        Quote: W1950
        Americans trash

        They are also g .. endons, look what these "defenders" do:
        US NATO soldiers "kidding" children in Iraq
        http://vk.com/public67176886?z=video209733472_168086501%2F2de09e293c2b1bf8a5
      2. 7even
        7even 20 March 2014 14: 34
        +4
        That's what the Afghan said about the Russian army, it seems to me I didn’t lie .....
        1. Moskva-7
          Moskva-7 21 March 2014 04: 18
          0
          The Americans had already proven that technology was a key factor in victory, exterminating the entire Native American population.

          All the same thing is happening now in Afghanistan - BPLs are destroying the faith bearers, leaving the technology owners alive.

          So who will win - faith or technology?

          Faith will go to another world with its bearer, and technology owners will rule the world.
    2. IGS
      IGS 20 March 2014 12: 45
      +5
      Never mind. Think of it differently: "weak", but the Army, and they have ... a large group of soldiers, the main task, and then the only one, of whom: to protect themselves.
    3. Lelek
      Lelek 20 March 2014 12: 55
      +6
      In Afghanistan, recruits-boys fought (and not badly fought), and now - Men are serious, not like the US marines. soldier
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      1. MichaelVl
        MichaelVl 20 March 2014 22: 15
        +1
        Exactly! And the Americans themselves know this very well, how it was with us and what was at what level! But here are some "experts" and yap about our history with disdain. Shawki)) It's funny! Our cause is just, and we just need to calmly and confidently carry our story, honor it and bring it to our children!
  9. lelikas
    lelikas 20 March 2014 12: 35
    +24
    Poorly manifested? Yes, it was simply not the goal to prove itself - otherwise, the desert would have been there now.
    1. Docent1984
      Docent1984 20 March 2014 12: 53
      +13
      PIN dosdo not understand that you can fight for peace, not for war. This is the main reason for this interpretation
    2. MichaelVl
      MichaelVl 20 March 2014 22: 09
      +1
      There, from some individual villages, bare deserts remained. There is probably nothing to be proud of. There are articles, including on this site, with stories of veterans of that war, about how our "weak" showed themselves, and there are more videos on the Internet. And even the story of one American tanker, in my opinion, is where he talks about his impressions, when he suddenly saw our tankers astride the armor - that Amersky veteran said “if we had to meet these Russian guys, they would have piled on us! " (The article was on this site, and in that story, ours saved them with their fire, in my opinion).

      And these individual amerskiye "experts in history" and "gentlemen of the whole world" and about the Great Patriotic War also say, "if it were not for MYYYYYY, then the Russian byyy ..." !!! - to this yapping I personally "Boil noble rage !!" Trample our history, jackals.
      But the story still knocks them with its tail :) Everything has its time! Time ALWAYS puts everything in its place!
  10. Good cat
    Good cat 20 March 2014 12: 36
    +34
    I think in Afghanistan, the SA has shown itself to be much better than gentlemen
    etc.
    1. IGS
      IGS 20 March 2014 13: 06
      +7
      And to assess "how they fought" let them ask the "spirits", to assess our presence, let them ask ordinary Afghans, they have someone to compare with laughing. There are some there who have entrenched themselves in such a way, protecting themselves that now they don’t know how to get out and clean up without loss.
      1. RND
        RND 20 March 2014 15: 32
        0
        Quote: IGS
        And to assess "how they fought" let them ask the "spirits", to assess our presence, let them ask ordinary Afghans, they have someone to compare with laughing. There are some there who have entrenched themselves in such a way, protecting themselves that now they don’t know how to get out and clean up without loss.

        Close them on the _x_e__r corridor through Russia! Let them fall through the mountains. In the diapers!
  11. Zaharoff
    Zaharoff 20 March 2014 12: 39
    +23
    Russians need a king (tsar as the Americans would write, they don’t even translate this word), not a president or leader, WE NEED A KING! ... and judging by recent events, we have it
    1. tolancop
      tolancop 20 March 2014 12: 47
      +6
      We need an intelligent and strong-willed LEADER with the same sensible and strong-willed TEAM ... And how he will pester - this is not even a secondary matter ...
      1. Gunsmith
        Gunsmith 20 March 2014 13: 26
        +2
        And what, the Colonel does not suit you anymore?
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 20 March 2014 13: 22
      +4
      Quote: zaharoff
      WE NEED A KING!

      First of all, the KING is in the HEAD, otherwise without him ...
  12. major071
    major071 20 March 2014 12: 39
    +13
    Uncle journalist missed one, but very important detail (well, he is excusable, still an American), Russia (USSR) did not lose the war in Afghanistan, unlike the Americans.
    As for our troops, he has never seen anything, except for "polite" people of unknown origin. We must invite him for the paratrooper's day. (just kidding, of course, they will quickly clean his face there).
  13. kolyhalovs
    kolyhalovs 20 March 2014 12: 39
    +11
    Experts say it is less likely that Putin will oppose neighboring states such as Latvia and Lithuania.

    Again, they rush with their Balts as if they were a written shell. Like in that joke:

    - this is the elusive Joe, no one has yet been able to catch up with him.
    “Is he so fast?”
    - No, he’s just fucking ... nobody needs him.
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 20 March 2014 13: 19
      +3
      Quote: kolyhalovs
      Again they with their Balts are like a written shell

      Yes, I think this American Ignatius lyuley has not received for a long time, and therefore, Afghanistan swears the bull. He would have at least thought with his holey head and remembered that the Americans alone never entered the war, forever pulled someone: A crowd was gathered from all over the World in Afghanistan and was blamed for the fence. But right now, let them capture Crimea (pah, pah, pah, holy, holy, holy), I don’t say, for example, because they would have razed everything and everyone to the ground, striped pipe-lovers. Ours came alone, only Russians, recruited a militia from the locals and kicked out .. all the Ukrainian military with one or two shots in the air. About how to fight:And the wolves are safe and the sheep are full.
      In short, this lamer is David Gringo.
  14. Altona
    Altona 20 March 2014 12: 40
    +8
    I wrote in all forums, don’t mess with our army, they will tear and don’t notice, and even more so ZSU ... There are not conscripts after ten years, but seasoned human beings ... soldier fellow
    1. WKS
      WKS 20 March 2014 13: 40
      +2
      And they do not bind. Now Artsenyuk will throw money on the guard. We’ll fight with her. The longer the pause, the more blood will have to be shed.
      In Georgia, in Chechnya, we beat "our" people everywhere. They will not throw their states into a faithful meat grinder, and you can get a hat with a poplar. Then all earthly politics will be full of kirdyk for many years. Ukraine will not be allowed into NATO, the states need it as cannon fodder for independent clashes with Russia.
      While on the outskirts of Butch, it is necessary to restore the final order there by force.
      Otherwise, in a year or two, along our borders with the outskirts, there will be Bandera phantoms and radars, with "guards" soldiers. So far they have only Kalash.
  15. Not served
    Not served 20 March 2014 12: 40
    +13
    I would not say that we in Afghanistan looked weak. But this is my opinion, I am not an expert. In Georgia, of course, yes, there were schools. But it is worth noting that all the same the share of conscripts was high, and at the same time, Georgians were knocked out in 5 days. This primarily indicates the level of officers.
    1. tolyasik0577
      tolyasik0577 20 March 2014 12: 49
      +5
      ..... and the level of adventurism on the Georgian side. but in general, the lessons of Chechnya and Georgia were not in vain. and thank God.
  16. fif21
    fif21 20 March 2014 12: 40
    +20
    These are not our troops! Our must be in boots, drunk, with caps with earflaps)))
    1. rauffg
      rauffg 20 March 2014 12: 49
      +21
      also say that riding bears
      1. Rohon
        Rohon 20 March 2014 13: 14
        +3
        damn, but I liked the picture, I imagine horror on the faces, if Europe had seen such a cavalry somewhere in Paris, they would have made a noise ................
      2. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson 20 March 2014 15: 21
        +3
        Here is such an angle)
    2. tolyasik0577
      tolyasik0577 20 March 2014 12: 50
      +8
      on bears and PPSh not an advantage
    3. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 20 March 2014 12: 54
      +4
      And also that the 1 Mosin rifle on the 3 fighters was.
      So that someone else would dance to the platoon and squat.
      And the bear was driven and fought on a chain.
      Still gypsies in the regiment staff with dances and songs.
      Soldiers in a variety of outfits, a helmet of the times of the great Patriotic war, Epaulettes red SA.
      And among the soldiers there are many bearded.
      Well, of course, the Cossacks. They were there too.
      1. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 21 March 2014 02: 45
        +2
        Quote: mojohed2012
        another accordion
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    5. Quantum
      Quantum 20 March 2014 12: 58
      +6
      And now, we are already like that! A new form in 2014.
      See on V. Review - armament in 2014.
      1. Quantum
        Quantum 20 March 2014 13: 02
        0
        Rogozin appreciated the new arrival (Warrior).
        1. Sergh
          Sergh 20 March 2014 13: 35
          +1
          Quote: Quantum
          And now, we are already

          Well, not the last option, but the lens is also not frail in our fighter on the left.
          http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/photo/politicsukrainskie_voennye_pokidayut_chasti_

          v_krymu.shtml #! photo = 3 & full

          1. tyumen901
            tyumen901 20 March 2014 14: 25
            +1
            this is a night sight 1 mon 93-2 in my opinion
      2. Quantum
        Quantum 20 March 2014 13: 02
        +1
        Rogozin appreciated the new arrival (Warrior).
    6. Docent1984
      Docent1984 20 March 2014 16: 44
      0
      So they are there in the west and therefore do not believe that our troops were there. They expected thin ragged people with kirszach and PPSh, but here the hell who)))
  17. 2front
    2front 20 March 2014 12: 41
    +6
    One thing to say, One polar world is over!
    1. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 20 March 2014 12: 55
      +3
      For us alone, the unipolar world is over, for the West and the USA everything is as before.
      1. Serg 122
        Serg 122 20 March 2014 13: 31
        +2
        Germany
        Der Spiegel
        Great-power speech of the Russian president

        In his speech on the incorporation of Crimea into Russia, President Putin settled accounts with the West. Putin leaves no room for compromise and instead announces the return of Russia as a great power. “His appeal to the Germans was amazing,” commented author Benjamin Bidder.
        The Germans, according to the Russian president, should recall the year 1990, when Russia supported the Germans' desire for reunification - unlike many other countries "that were Germany’s allies."
        According to Putin, the unilateral actions of the West are now over. In Ukraine, the West crossed the red line. Putin also made it clear that the Kremlin could resort to vigorous action in eastern Ukraine. A variant of a possible deal regarding the future of Ukraine was recently outlined by Henry Kissinger, and he probably can get support from Putin: Ukraine’s neutrality without joining NATO. Kissinger also spoke about the preservation of Crimea as part of Ukraine, the author emphasizes.
        As for the sanctions, they, according to the author, are unlikely to scare Russia.
        Read more: http://inosmi.ru/overview/20140319/218740950.html#ixzz2wUfZoANL
        Follow us: @inosmi on Twitter | InoSMI on Facebook

        Not so simple!
  18. alex47russ
    alex47russ 20 March 2014 12: 41
    +4
    And our StroyBat throws them with sappers' shovels! And to be honest, the Army is Our ALL !!! and she must be professional!
  19. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 20 March 2014 12: 41
    +9
    To this risk Putin, perhapsnot ready, says David Ignatius.

    I liked the word "possibly".
    Afraid however.
    They know the mice whose cheese was hammered.
  20. Arbatov
    Arbatov 20 March 2014 12: 42
    +6
    And why is it taken for the axiom that our army in Afghanistan showed itself poorly? Did this analyst from America beguile anything? Was he thinking about his military when he commented on a weak army in Afghanistan in a newspaper?
  21. raven75
    raven75 20 March 2014 12: 42
    +7
    In Afghanistan? Weak? Instant capture of Afghanistan and withdrawal for purely political reasons. An army that has been fighting and for ten years has lost half as much as it dies in car crashes in a year. Weak ...
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 20 March 2014 12: 54
      +14
      Quote: raven75
      In Afghanistan? Weak?

      Let not the armchair "literate" judge us one-sidedly
      1. raven75
        raven75 20 March 2014 13: 02
        +3
        I have had "Cascade" for a long time. I have something to do with the war. "Chechen" of the first campaign.
        1. Bort radist
          Bort radist 20 March 2014 13: 17
          +3
          Quote: raven75
          I have had "Cascade" for a long time. I have something to do with the war. "Chechen" of the first campaign.

          Don’t even think about it, bro. I'm talking about it - David Ignatius
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  22. VengefulRat
    VengefulRat 20 March 2014 12: 43
    +26
    At least some conclusions have been drawn. GDP - Polite Putin's Forces smile
  23. Bort radist
    Bort radist 20 March 2014 12: 43
    +5
    Quote: Bort Radist
    Compliments from enemies are always alarming. Although everything is said in the case.

    About Afghan - "" Shuravi were Afghan's best enemies. " neither subtract nor add.
  24. Queenfox
    Queenfox 20 March 2014 12: 43
    +3
    Quote: 2front
    One thing to say, One polar world is over!


    I want to believe in it and so it was)
  25. Stiletto
    Stiletto 20 March 2014 12: 43
    +13
    Because we have an Army, not a cockerel. And the mission of the guys is truly noble, and not "the spread of bacilli by jackals of democracy."
  26. forester
    forester 20 March 2014 12: 44
    +7
    now let them continue to shake, and for the Afghan he would pull his tongue out - a purulent mattress
  27. brainkiller
    brainkiller 20 March 2014 12: 45
    +5
    The modern Russian army is not the one that has shown itself to be so weak in Afghanistan
    What are they? ? . What measure do they measure the effectiveness of the army? 79-80x the power of the USSR army with non-nuclear weapons was absolutely irresistible.
  28. tolancop
    tolancop 20 March 2014 12: 45
    +5
    . What is the weakness of SA in Afghanistan is also not clear. What is gone? So the Amer army is going to leave Afghanistan. Let's call her weak and ...
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 20 March 2014 13: 36
      0
      Not only that, Merikans also ask Russia for help in the conclusion!
  29. Ahmed Osmanov
    Ahmed Osmanov 20 March 2014 12: 46
    +7
    I do not agree with the author that the Soviet army in Afghanistan was poorly trained. On the contrary, it has already been recognized that the 40th Army has shown itself to be much more combat-ready than the actions of the US Army and NATO countries at the moment.
  30. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 20 March 2014 12: 46
    +7
    Of course, the army is not the same. Moreover, such units as special forces and airborne forces are already equipped only with contract soldiers. And these are people who have passed the deadline and realizing that the army is their life. They are real pros in their field. I don’t think that boys would be sent to Crimea who are being called up for 11 months. During this time, you can study only peeling potatoes and the Charter. It is very pleasant that our army will rejoin. GLORY TO RUSSIA!!!
  31. Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol 20 March 2014 12: 46
    +4
    The conclusion from all this is one:
    Fighting Berbers, women and old people, drones and carpet bombing from Stealth, "smacking" Tomahawks from ships is "great" gentlemen. Only it will be great for anyone.
    But what not to take any of your land gentlemen, so do not look from the Second World War to the present time, everywhere you have a complete "ASS".
    Peace to Your Island! While he's afloat ...
  32. ispaniard
    ispaniard 20 March 2014 12: 47
    +5
    The Russian army, as they say:
    Ukrainians - "Little Green Men"
    Crimeans (Now Russians) - "Very polite people"
    The Russians - Our army is not there, but we would have such an army ...)))
  33. Ratibor
    Ratibor 20 March 2014 12: 47
    +1
    The article has something fake ... or provocative :). This article is contrary to official information. GDP says no Russian troops in the Crimea except the Black Sea Fleet. And here are the numbers! Something does not stick together with one another.
    1. sscha
      sscha 20 March 2014 13: 06
      +1
      Dear! What do you want - places of deployment, payroll, etc. someone will lay out, if he knows ??? So - "Left" are polite people !!! repeat hi
  34. DimYang
    DimYang 20 March 2014 12: 47
    +2
    The Japanese have a saying: Better to let me hate me for what I am, than love me for who I am not.

    And about Afghanistan, so they would divide it into three parts and everything (one USSR, one Iran, one Pakistan), everyone would be happy. Well, except for the Anglo-Saxons, of course. Well, the traitors did not. Now we have what it is. I think the Afghanistan section is still just around the corner.
    1. Gunsmith
      Gunsmith 20 March 2014 13: 40
      +3
      Quote: dimyan
      I think the Afghanistan section is still just around the corner.

      Feel free to say! Divide the country, consisting of tribes, clans, religious and ideological hatred, fighting more than 300 years? .. No, it does not roll.
      1. DimYang
        DimYang 20 March 2014 15: 12
        -1
        That's it. Divided into clans. Pashtuns. Tajiks, Uzbeks, Iranians basic. It’s on a national basis that they would divide. All and war is over. Everything went to this. So nothing so impossible.
  35. Navy7981
    Navy7981 20 March 2014 12: 49
    +3
    I was quite surprised by such a bold statement about the weakness of our army in Afghanistan. When we started fighting, as a rule, we were in the black. When they started to engage in "politics" then yes - a disaster. Now it looks like there are both politics and the Army!
  36. maksim
    maksim 20 March 2014 12: 50
    +4
    and as they wanted, it is only the Americans who start with sanctions and end with the bombing of civilians, democracy can be built without firing a shot, take an example and get to you
  37. Vadim12
    Vadim12 20 March 2014 12: 50
    +3
    David Ignatius immediately made a big mistake calling the Soviet Army weak in Afghanistan. On the contrary, Soviet soldiers quickly adapted to guerrilla warfare.
  38. Lelek
    Lelek 20 March 2014 12: 50
    +5
    Now, if our GRU acted just as famously, then we would not know the names Tyagnibok, Muzyka, Yatsenyuk, Yarosh, etc. bully
    1. Vyacheslav73
      Vyacheslav73 20 March 2014 13: 08
      0
      Everything has its time, apparently these nonhumans will not become long-livers ...
    2. mamont5
      mamont5 20 March 2014 13: 26
      +2
      Quote: Vyacheslav73
      Now, if our GRU acted just as famously, then we would not know the names Tyagnibok, Muzyka, Yatsenyuk, Yarosh, etc. bully


      There was no order yet.
    3. Docent1984
      Docent1984 20 March 2014 16: 49
      +1
      Let me disagree. In fact, we need these characters now, like air. No holy truth, no logic, nothing today can turn the filthy brains of the "Young Ukrainians" in the right direction. But these scum can. As crazy as it may sound, they are now working for us.
  39. naGua
    naGua 20 March 2014 12: 50
    0
    Sounds like a provocative article. Information wars are gaining strength.
  40. Mercenary
    Mercenary 20 March 2014 12: 51
    +2
    BE AFRAID and RESPECT.
  41. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 20 March 2014 12: 51
    0
    Tell me who knows, in the army now they wear socks or wrap footcloths. very interesting if socks are better or worse.
    1. ando_bor
      ando_bor 20 March 2014 15: 26
      0
      Socks are now worn. My son served an urgent term, in the summer of 2013 he quit, socks and socks tried, just changed, says the socks are better, he served specifically in the intelligence of the mountain brigade, although you need to change socks once a day, but even in autonomous raids for several days there is an opportunity to change or stretch - to dry.
    2. Docent1984
      Docent1984 20 March 2014 16: 53
      0
      It is not clear who gave you a minus and for what. I reset it to zero) It's a moot point, which is better. Personally, I specially got hold of a pair of footcloths in order to learn how to wind them, because when I was in the army, socks were already allowed. In everyday service, socks are more comfortable, but on field exercises, and even more so in battle, perhaps, footcloths will be more reliable, especially if "apart from the main forces."
    3. Noctis
      Noctis 21 March 2014 09: 59
      0
      Quote: ando_bor
      I quit the summer of 2013, I tried the footcloths and socks, they just changed, says the socks are better

      I do not know. I served in 2002-2004, tried both this and that. in a usual situation, I agree that socks are much more convenient (still faster than wrapping footcloths), but with marching throws ... there I preferred ONLY footcloths. they absorb sweat and with proper winding, well, much more convenient and calluses will never be
  42. Lantau
    Lantau 20 March 2014 12: 52
    0
    The modern Russian army is not the one that has shown itself to be so weak in Afghanistan, David Ignatius claims in an article for The Washington Post.

    But the American army in Afghanistan has shown itself "very strong". Don't lie to yourself, mister journalist!
  43. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx 20 March 2014 12: 52
    0
    Special forces in small groups have always acted stealthily and cohesively. Nice to see a reborn army.
  44. S-17
    S-17 20 March 2014 12: 53
    +3
    All the same, there is a benefit from the Internet. There, Hitler, Napoleon, etc. there was no internet, so they had to watch offline the Russian army.
  45. kelevra
    kelevra 20 March 2014 12: 55
    0
    Here it is, world recognition of the most important thing! Putin is the great president and our army is the most disciplined and trained!
  46. Sma11
    Sma11 20 March 2014 12: 55
    +18
    “In short, the current Russian army is not at all the one that showed itself so poorly in Afghanistan. She is well trained, acts subtle and effectively uses a small area of ​​accommodation. It’s obvious that Putin wasn’t stopped by NATO’s military maneuvers, which signaled the alliance’s readiness to protect its members, but didn’t show the organization’s readiness to stop Russia's secret operations in a friendly neighboring region. ”


    And for AFGHAN AMERICA WILL ANSWER !!! angry
    1. Nikita_Pilot
      Nikita_Pilot 20 March 2014 13: 43
      +1
      I have no doubt am
    2. Dimkin
      Dimkin 20 March 2014 14: 40
      +1
      the current Russian army is not the one that showed itself so poorly in Afghanistan

      I completely agree with you in Afghanistan, we fought against all of NATO and fulfilled our duty, and the fact that the mattresses are doing there now doesn’t climb into any gates
      1. Noctis
        Noctis 21 March 2014 10: 09
        0
        the topic is not worth discussing, I think. all, I repeat ALL conflicts where the Americans sent troops, eventually ended in principle with the withdrawal of troops. they have very few special successes throughout history, and I don’t remember even those. on their own they won nowhere. even for their independence without the French, figs would have been taken out. although they consider themselves victorious everywhere, it's funny. the most "equipped and powerful" in their opinion, the army is extremely unprofessional. and often their "high-tech and high-precision" weapons hit the wrong place or even misfire. they have powdered everyone and, first of all, their brains. advertised their army, traders what to take from them, but we are sober people and we understand that advertising is very rarely true. in principle, it plays into our hands that they overestimate their strength
  47. Grenz
    Grenz 20 March 2014 12: 56
    +1
    Giving a negative assessment of our group of forces in Afghanistan, we can conclude that he is not a very professional analyst. Yes, maybe with equipment and food, not everything was good, but combat training, not offending the other participants in various conflicts, was at a high level.
    And one more remark - praise from the enemy should always be alarming.
    Although okay - let it blow fog. Just do not go too far, otherwise we’ll really scare Europe so that they don’t have enough diapers. So in a coma go.
  48. individual
    individual 20 March 2014 12: 57
    +1
    “The Americans are shocked by the effectiveness of the Russian army.
    Obviously, Putin was not stopped by NATO military maneuvers ... "

    We try not to forget the past.
  49. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 20 March 2014 12: 59
    +2
    Well, since the construction battalion has already been mentioned, then maybe he did everything. What did you think? "Alpha" in their "branded" body armor with the words "Alpha" appeared there? Or maybe they were in construction battalion jackets and in kirzachs: after all, from somewhere there was a statement that the Russian construction battalion was "animals".
  50. VeteranS
    VeteranS 20 March 2014 12: 59
    +11
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin perfectly assimilated the testament given by Emperor Alexander III to his son Saint Tsar Nicholas II - "Russia because of its vast territory and enormous riches in the world is either feared or hated. Therefore, it has only two allies - the Army and the Navy!" And God will help us! God save Russia and Holy Russia!
    1. protopop
      protopop 20 March 2014 13: 25
      +6
      Amen! And strengthen the Russian Army!
    2. sinukvl
      sinukvl 20 March 2014 14: 19
      +11
      As well as the testament of Nicholas I - "Where the Russian flag was once raised, it should not go down there!"