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Turkic patterns



16 March in Crimea, a referendum was held, which secured the entry of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea into Russia. Shortly before the all-Crimean referendum on the status of the peninsula, Moscow negotiated with Mustafa Dzhemilev, the ex-chairman of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (MKTN). Dzhemilev met with ex-President of Tatarstan Shaimiev and had a telephone conversation with Vladimir Putin. In Russia, many did not understand why Russia chose as a negotiator a man for whom Russia has always been an evil empire. They did not understand, but came to terms with these negotiations as a fait accompli, since the visit of the anti-Russian Crimean aksakal was sanctioned by Moscow.

Before Dzhemilev honored the capital of Russia with his visit, representatives of Tatarstan repeatedly visited Crimea. The 16 March referendum became for Kazan its own, special victory, independent of Moscow’s actions. The question is, why, if, according to observers, the visits of the Kazan emissaries were not crowned with success?

The Tatar (more precisely, the Turkic) variations in the Russian battle for the Crimea will be discussed in this article.

Dzhemilev in Moscow

12 March, the ex-leader of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people and deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev arrived in Moscow. The ex-leader of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (hereinafter referred to as ICTN) was given a summit meeting. In the capital of Russia, the founder of MKTN had a telephone conversation with Vladimir Putin. And that is not all. In Moscow, the leader of the Mejlis met with the Tatar leader Mintimer Shaimiev.
The name of Shaimiev by the Tatar leader is not accidental. Despite the fact that Tatarstan was ruled by Rustam Minikhanov from 2010, the Babay clan remained at the helm of the republic (this is what Mintimer Shaimiev is called in Tatarstan). Having handed over power regiments to Minikhanov in 2010, Shaimiev went into the shadows, becoming the "gray cardinal" of Tatarstan. The political culture of post-Soviet Tatarstan is such that the real power is concentrated there not from official politicians, but from the "gray cardinals". As the course of life in Tatarstan shows, this practice will not undergo any changes in the near future. Even Putin, known for his short talk with the regional feudal lords of the Yeltsin era, does not dare dismantle the Tatarstan orders in the bud. Why he does not, we will explain later. In the meantime, back to Mustafa Dzhemilev.

March 14, the venerable ex-leader of the MCSTN was already in Brussels. There he met with Deputy Secretary General of NATO Alexander Vershbow, Deputy High Representative of the European Union for foreign policy Pierre Vimont and head of the Ukrainian mission to NATO Igor Dolgov.

Dzhemilev in Brussels

At the headquarters of NATO and the EU, Dzhemilev said that a possible war between Russia and Ukraine "will be the beginning of the end for Russia." According to Dzhemilev, such an outcome of the situation is deadly, because "it will be a question of the disintegration of the nuclear state." The former leader of the Mejlis called on the EU, NATO and the world community to urgently intervene in the affairs of Ukraine and Crimea.

Sources at MKTN say: in Brussels, the ex - leader of the Mejlis was assured that "Europe, together with Ukraine, intends to fight against the annexation of the Crimea.

In Brussels, Dzhemilev did not hide that he had been in Moscow before and talked with Putin over the phone. “I told him (Putin) that it was absurd to define the future of Crimea in these conditions by a referendum. And he replied that not all procedures were followed. And, say, the exit of Ukraine and other Union republics from the USSR provided for one procedure, and the exit itself occurred according to to another procedure. Putin says that Ukraine has not quite legally withdrawn from the USSR, ”recounted Dzhemilev in Brussels, his conversation with the President of Russia.

An important detail: the head of the NATO NATO mission, Sadiq Ustyun, wanted to meet with the Crimean akskal in Brussels. The current Turkey is the first NATO country in terms of the number of military reservists and the second (after the United States) in the level of combat capability. It is necessary to assume: Putin’s words that “Ukraine had not entirely legally left the USSR”, served as a catalyst, were retold by Jemilev’s words. Any attempt to revise the Belovezhsk Accords acts on the West like a red rag on a bull. It is quite logical to assume that Dzhemilev demanded that Brussels "enter the international peacekeeping corps following the example of Kosovo in Crimea" precisely when he felt that the West was afraid of revising the Yeltsin-Kravchuk-Shushkevich tripartite pact. "

Ineffectual result

Surrounded by Dzhemilev, they say: Mustafa’s Brussels visit - Efendi was crowned with success. Nevertheless, some Russian analysts believe that Cemilev did not achieve the desired results on the “western” field with his visit to Brussels. If you were warmly received somewhere, listened attentively and promised something, this does not mean that all your wishes will be fulfilled. Dzhemilev presented himself to the EU and NATO as a Ukrainian politician, and, according to analysts, this was his main mistake.

According to the international political scientist Stanislav Tarasov, it is becoming increasingly obvious that the West has begun to play all the scenarios out of the Ukrainian crisis, which may not be limited to solving only the problem of the status of Crimea. “If, because of Crimea, the West will“ burn bridges ”with Russia, then with whom and how, being actively involved in the Ukrainian crisis, will it continue to get out of the quagmire of the Kiev political swamp? That’s why he so insistently demands the creation of an international contact group, understanding that maydanovsky politicians who have come to power in Kiev have no mistake, it’s a mistake, ”said Tarasov. According to the expert, the EU and NATO clearly associated the Ukrainian politician Dzhemilev with Ukraine in the variation of the Maidan Directory and the Right Sector. The West would rather prefer more or less stable relations with Russia to an alliance with such Ukraine, even if the dismantling of the post-Soviet system of Eurasia looms on the horizon. The architects of world politics are well aware: it is better to take the poison proposed by the sage than the balm from the fool.

Most likely, in the West, Dzhemilev was perceived as a figure who judges the Crimean question from the events of the “times of Ochakov and the subjugation of Crimea”. Even the most frost-bitten “hawk” - the Russophobe will not risk associating the Crimean Tatars with Ukraine and with the Ukrainian deputies like Dzhemilev. In addition, the West knows that at the post of deputy of the Verkhovna Rada, Dzhemilev never spoke in defense of his fellow tribesmen. In the West, they can’t be unaware that the current representatives of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people refused to boycott the referendum and called on the Crimean Tatars not to interfere with the general Crimean will, that is, distanced themselves from the Crimean ayatollahs. The results of the referendum are predetermined. In such a situation, beating head on the integration of Crimea into the Russian Federation, that is, following the requests of Dzhemilev, the West is not that unprofitable, but simply stupid.

Mustafa - Aby and Fauzia - Apa

So it was with Dzhemilev in the West. In Russia, his situation is different. Do not forget: the visit of Dzhemilev to Brussels took place after his talks with Mintimer Shaimiev and the conversation with Putin. It took place two days later, but not immediately. The “two days” factor indicates three things. First: Dzhemilev analyzed what he heard from his interlocutors in Moscow, and based on this, he drew further options of his actions in his mind. The second: what he heard in the capital of Russia did not correspond to what he wanted, so he went to the capital of Belgium. The third thing, a lot of important: just because Dzhemilev could not go to Moscow. His meeting with Shaimiev and the conversation with Putin were sanctioned in advance by Moscow. Sanctioned, despite the marginal status of the Crimean visitor.

The news that the highest circles of Russia are negotiating with this venerable aksakal plunged Russian observers into confusion.
“First, you need to understand who Dzhemilev is,” said Islamic scholar, expert of the National Strategy Institute, Rais Suleymanov, commenting on the paradoxical situation. “This is a dissident whose views were formed back in Soviet times, when everything Soviet was identified with Russian. And so far he is determined anti-russian. " According to Suleymanov, that Dzhemilev, that the current leader of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people Refat Chubarov have influence from strength among 20% of the Crimean Tatars. The Ministry of Justice of Ukraine constantly refused registration to the Mejlis, therefore, this organization has only one status - marginal. “With the same success, the President of Russia could negotiate with the leader of the Milli Majlis of the Tatar people, the Tatar national separatist Fauzia Bayramova, who also likes to accept statements“ on behalf of all Tatars. ”Why no one organized Putin’s meeting, for example, with the leader of the Milli Party Firka "taking the pro-Russian position?", - Suleymanov is perplexed.

It is worth reminding the reader who Fauzia Bayramova is, who loves to accept and give statements on behalf of "all Tatars." In Tatarstan, it is called the "grandmother of Tatar nationalism." According to the degree of Russophobia, this middle-aged Tatar can only be compared with the notorious Caucasus-Center website. In hatred of Russia and the Russian people, “Grandma Fauzia” reached the point that Hitler began to regard as “the liberator of the Tatar people from 400 - the summer Russian slavery”. Those Tatars who fought in the ranks of the Red Army during the Great Patriotic War, for it are traitors to the people, but Tatar collaborationists from Idel-Ural are heroes. One such grateful “hero”, a resident of Munich Garif Sultan, called Fauzia Bayramova his adopted daughter and bequeathed her her five-room apartment in the capital of Bavaria. In his letters to Bayramova he regretted that “due to serious circumstances” he could not visit Tatarstan. Gafur's circumstances were more than serious. It was he who in 1943 passed the outstanding Tatar poet Musa Jalil to the Gestapo. In Tatarstan, no one wanted to see the Gestapo informer. With the exception of frost-bitten nationalists like Fauzia Bayramova, who, in her zoological hatred of Russians, is ready to embrace even Hitler, even Basayev, even Satan himself.
Dzhemilev, of course, does not stand on the same level with Bayramova, but is located with it on about one platform. The political activity of this aksakal takes place in the mainstream of the radical - the nationalist trends of Ukraine. Mustafa, the abyy, is obliged to his political rise by the Ukrainian nationalists Vyacheslav Chornovil and Stepan Khmara, whom he met during his Soviet depressions for dissidence. The second wave of activity of Dzhemilev fell on the 2004 Orange Revolution of the year. On the Independence 2004 of the Year, Dzhemilev's wife was among the “Guardsmen of the Maidan”. The Dzhemilevs' family contribution to the victory of the Orange Revolution was rewarded by the deputies of Mustafa — abyya in the Verkhovna Rada according to the lists of Our Ukraine of Yushchenko. After Yushchenko dissolved Our Ukraine and indulged in the joys of beekeeping, Jemilev joined the Batkivshchyna Party, whose interests he represented in the Ukrainian parliament until the February Revolution of 2014. The current political credo of Dzhemilev is an alliance with the Kiev junta, which he considers to be the legitimate government of Ukraine. Geopolitical - the union of Ukraine with NATO and the EU.

Able to convince

Russian observers reasonably doubt that Putin’s conversation with a counterparty like Dzhemilev was beneficial to Russia. First, observers say, Putin will have to fulfill all the promises that he made to Jemilev on March 12.

What exactly Putin promised to the Crimean Tatars, then Jemilev himself explained. "... Return, arrangement of repatriates, their representation in all branches of power; using the Crimean Tatar language as one of the official languages; recognition of representatives of the new body of the Crimean Tatars - the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people and Kurultay, created by these bodies of their power structures", - said Dzhemilev in an interview with the Tatarstan portal "Business ONLINE". Reading between the lines: Moscow went to ensure that the Crimean Tatar elites have direct and in fact priority access to the authorities of the Crimea. We are talking about elites, and not about the Crimean Tatar people. It is easy to predict what this will lead to: the Russian community of the Crimea will be indignant.

It is unlikely that it will bring pleasure to simple Crimean Tatars. Not all Crimean Tatars consider Dzhemilev a national hero. The middle and young generation of the Crimean Tatars believes that the activity of Mustafa is rather harmful to the Tatar people than helps. "He is trying to impose his anti-Soviet complexes on other Tatars, especially young silly people. After all, our youngsters are accustomed to obey their elders and therefore listen to Dzhemilev. This is not good. First of all, no one can impose their convictions. Secondly, reason must be above emotions and complexes And thirdly, the Crimean Tatars are more connected with Russia than with Ukraine. We shouldn’t quarrel with the Russians just because some of our old man under Brezhnev was in prison. And he was, by the way, in the cause, "said the author material one Crimean tatar personal conversation.

In addition, the results of Putin’s telephone conversations with Dzhemilev have finally undermined the myth that Russia is a common home for all Russian-speaking inhabitants of the world. In fact, the uncontrolled "green light" in power for the "specially elected" Crimean Tatars looks like real discrimination against the Russian-speaking majority of Crimea, which is far from prosperous, and Russians from the Baltic States, the countries of the South Caucasus and Central Asia, who dream of returning to Russia

The third “benefit” didn’t fail to discover itself immediately after Jemilev said goodbye to Putin by phone and shook Shaymiyev’s hand. 14 March it became known that Dzhemilev went to Brussels. In Ukraine, it looked as if Moscow had received a click on nose from Dzhemilev.

As it was said, for the political field of Crimea Dzhemilev is rather a marginal. Similarly, his condition is on the “field” of Ukraine: the Majlis of the Crimean Tatar people has not yet been registered by the Ministry of Justice of Ukraine, and Dzhemilev can position itself maximum as a people's deputy from “Batkivshchyna”, far from the most pro-Russian Ukrainian party. Why, then, did the Russian leadership actually sanction Dzhemilev's visit to Moscow and honor his conversation with Vladimir Putin himself?

The answer to this question is very simple. Moscow invited Dzhemilev for the reason for which he was criticized by younger tribesmen in the Crimea: he knows how to influence minds. As the Azerbaijani orientalist and political scientist Arif Yunusov told the author of the article, Putin is not the person who happens to meet with someone. “He studies the situation beforehand and if he decided to meet with Dzhemilev, it means that he understood the significance of this particular figure. I was surprised at all about the invitation. It was a strong move on the part of Putin. Of course, Putin failed to achieve his goal, but this is a different conversation. Moscow’s understanding of the real significance of Mustafa Dzhemilev, for the Crimean Tatars is not a marginal or a “museum exhibit,” but the moral leader of the Crimean Tatars, who really has tremendous weight, and the main figure for their own people. some of the few that meaningful figures from Tatarstan will be authorities for the Crimean Tatars, "said Arif Yunusov.

Kazan and Simferopol: strange love

To the words of Arif Yunusov should heed. And not only because he knows the Crimean Tatars well, since in 90 he worked with them through the UN. At the very beginning of the integration processes with the Crimea, Moscow tried to influence the Tatars of the Peninsula through their fellow tribesmen - the Volga Tatars. In early March, the President of Tatarstan Rustam Minnikhanov, the mufti of Tatarstan Camille Samigullin, representatives of the parliament of the republic visited Crimea. Observers qualified these negotiations as unsuccessful and virtually failed. According to these observers, the contacts of the Volga Tatars with the Crimean showed how far these two peoples are from each other. The President of Tatarstan had to resort to the services of an interpreter in the Crimea, since very few people could understand his Tatar language on the peninsula. The Tatar youth of Crimea considered the visits of “brothers” from the Volga region hostile acts. It cost all the young Tatars of the peninsula to find out that some delegation from Kazan was sent to their region, as in social networks there appeared messages that were not at all fraternal. Young Tatars of Crimea reproached the Volga delegates for the fact that they had not remembered their fellows in the Crimea for more than 20 years. And as soon as Ukraine staggered, you are here! Suddenly, we woke up, and immediately flew to the Crimea to reassure the Crimeans, as they are loved in Tatarstan. Strange love, isn't it ...

It is worth admitting that in the last decade, the attitude of the Crimean Tatars to the brothers from the Volga region has changed for the worse. Thank you for this should be Deputy Prime Minister of Crimea Rustam Temirgaliev and his father Ilmir - Volga Tatars by birth.

Father and son

Rustam Temirgaliyev, the current deputy head of the Crimean government, before joining politics was known as one of the most active businessmen of the peninsula. About half of the Crimean media are currently under Temirgaliyev’s control. In addition, Temirgaliyev owns a number of large land and economic assets. Rustam Temirgaliev is known for his passion for thoroughbred horses. The total value of his personal stud farm amounts to millions of euros. The Crimean Tatars, of course, are happy that their young deputy prime minister is so rich, but they think Temirgaliev is much more pleasant to communicate with his dear horses than with the common population of Crimea. The vice-premier suspects that his business is of a not entirely transparent nature, and that he does not disdain such forms of business as fraud and raiding.

Ilmir Temirgaliyev, the father of the vice-premier of Crimea, is known on the peninsula as a businessman and president of the All-Ukrainian Tatar Cultural Center “Tugan Tel” (“Mother Talk”). Many in Crimea believe that contacts between the Temirgaliyev family and representatives of various Islamist movements take place under the “roof” of the “Native Speech”. These suspicions were reinforced in August 2010, when "Tugan tel" sponsored mass festivities in honor of the holiday of Uraz - Bayram. On holidays, flags and posters of the extremist Islamist organization Hizb ut-Tahrir were spotted, and the organizers of the celebration did not hinder this. Ilmir Temirgaliyev explained the presence of the Hizb people by saying that “he wanted to arrange a holiday for all Muslims,” among whom he also ranked the followers of Hizb-ut-Tahrir. Explicit or implicit flirting of "Tugan tel" with the Islamists was then sharply condemned by the Majlis and Mustafa Dzhemilev personally. It is not difficult to guess whose political piggy bank then got political points.
Another unpleasant fact in the biography of Temirgaliyev - the eldest occurred in March 2010. His name was among the authors of the letter to the then Russian President Dmitry Medvedev. Signatories - representatives of the Crimean Tatar public - asked Medvedev to stop the prosecution ... "prominent Tatar social activist Fauzia Bayramova" (!) That same Tatar grandmother, who declared Hitler "the liberator of the Tatar people from 400 - the summer Russian yoke". Bayramova was then sentenced to one year probation for calling for the withdrawal of Tatarstan from the Russian Federation. In addition to the name of Temirgaliyev, among the signatories were the names of the leaders of the organization “Milli Firka” - an organization that is a natural competitor of the Mejlis in the struggle for influence among the Crimean Tatars. The names of the leaders of the Mejlis were not among the signatories. From the letter from the Crimea, Bayramova was neither hot nor cold, but it received much publicity in the media. The reputation of "Milli Firka" and the Temirgaliyevs families laid down a stain, but the Mejlis and Mustafa Dzhemilev again benefited significantly from the image. The image acquisition of the Mejlis spread to Russia, where the organization of Dzhemilev was perceived as pro-Russian, and Milli Firka was anti-Russian. In fact, between these organizations - the opposite is true.

Deputy Prime Minister Rustam Temirgaliyev is called a pro-Russian politician. But his pro-Russian has a peculiar color. When Temirgaliyev looks at Russia, his eyes are turned not towards Moscow, but towards Kazan, from where they continue to look towards the whole Turkic area. According to the views Temirgaliev is a Pan-Turkist, and he does not hide it.

“A new push in the development of the Turkic states began quite recently - after the collapse of the Soviet Union,” Temirgaliyev Jr. wrote in his article “Alga. And where?”, Which was released in December of 2011. "Modern Turkey and Kazakhstan, as well as the Republic of Tatarstan within the Russian Federation, demonstrate one of the highest rates of economic growth in the world. The reasons for such dynamic development of the Turkic states are known - the high level of education of the political and economic elite, which offered the population a plan for reform and development, the presence of social elevators when the most able-bodied young people get the opportunity to grow, as well as economic liberalism and a sufficient degree of patriotism. The ideologists of Pan-Turkism called this new period the era of Turkic Therefore, when some analysts argue about which development model is acceptable for the Crimean Tatars: Turkish or Tatarstan, the answer is obvious - Turkic or, to put it simply, you need to take all the best from both Ankara and Kazan. " Moscow in the article of Temirgaliyev was awarded a separate passage. "Relations between Moscow and Kazan are a separate article, but I note that today the government of Russia employs two ministers of Tatar nationality - Minister of Trade and Economic Development Elvira Nabiullina and Minister of the Interior Rashid Nurgaliyev." And that is all. Moscow is dear to Turku only because it became a springboard for Pan-Turkism, and not because it is the capital of Russia. It is unlikely that Temirgaliyev does not know that being a pan-Turkist and at the same time a pro-Russian politician is also impossible than being a communist and a Nazi at the same time, but what can you do ... No wonder he wrote that "relations between Moscow and Kazan are the topic of a separate article."

Crimea is Russia

16 March in 23 00 Moscow Moscow television channels of Russia announced that the referendum in the Crimea has been successfully completed. In the evening of March 16, a festive concert was held in Sevastopol, and the cheerful citizens chanted “Russia! Russia!”

Glad and in Kazan. The annexation of Crimea to Russia was for the Tatarstan elite an increase in the political role of Kazan and the strengthening of image positions of Tatarstan in the Russian political space. It is about politics and image, and not about real indicators like the economy or "social". Hand on heart, the economy of Tatarstan stands on three pillars: pumping out investments wherever possible, cyclopean industrial projects, from which there is often a miserable result, and on inflated figures, from which experienced UBEP will have a heart attack. But what real indicators can we talk about, if at stake is something else - the significance of Tatarstan! Such a goal will justify any means.
For the sake of the significant increase in the significance of Tatarstan in Kazan, they were silent about such things that the president of the republic in Crimea was not perceived as a serious negotiator, and that Kazan is associated by the Crimean Tatars not with the most pleasant phenomena. Actually, it was not the result of the negotiations of the highest officials of Tatarstan with the Crimean Tatars, but the fact of negotiations that was important. The Crimean Tatar "brothers" gently, carefully and diplomatically reminded who is in charge among the Tatars of Russia, and whom they will have to be in the future. The main Tatar of Russia is not Minikhanov at all, Rustam Nurgaliyevich is “little Babai”, and only Mintimer Sharipovich can be “big Babai”.

At the very beginning of the article we promised to explain why Moscow, having shut off oxygen to all regional barons, left it for Kazan. The explanation is simple as an abbreviation of "RF". The ethnocratic status quo of the Republic of Tatarstan to Moscow is beneficial. Beneficial because those residents of the Republic of Tajikistan who are disappointed in the Shaimiev clan are supporters of Vladimir Putin. These people objectively evaluate the activities of the President of the Russian Federation, see its shortcomings, and do not flatter themselves about the political abilities of Vladimir Vladimirovich. The fact is that Vladimir Putin is the only person in Russia to whom Tatarstan opponents of ethnocrats can turn their aspirations and hopes. The opponents of the ethnocrats are the Kryashen, the Russian population of the Republic of Tajikistan and the opposition-minded Tatars, of which there are many in the republic. As a result, the actions of the ruling elite of Tatarstan give in the Republic of Tatarstan a maximum of votes for Vladimir Putin and members of the Russian party in power affiliated with him. If Tatarstan were ruled not by the ethnocrats from the Shaimiev clan, but by other people, the situation would be different, therefore Moscow does not make any sharp movements with respect to the “Shaimiev’s”.

The topic of a separate article is such a national feature of Tatarstan as a Wahhabi holding - the merging of the ruling elite of the republic with the radical - Islamists of all stripes, from Wahhabis to Hizb ut-Tahrir.

But on this better to talk another time. Now we should congratulate the residents of the Crimea with what they were waiting for - the long-awaited reunion with Russia.

With Russia, and not by someone else. The fact that the Crimea is now Russia, sooner or later, everyone will humble themselves. Including, the main character of our article is Mustafa Dzhemilev.

Inshalla, the fact that the Crimea is Russia will reach other geographical points. Including, to Kazan.
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  1. Cherdak
    Cherdak 20 March 2014 18: 59
    +15
    Dzhemilev met with the ex-president of Tatarstan Shaimiev and had a telephone conversation with Vladimir Putin.

    And they lucidly explained to Mustafa the main secret of their actions in the Crimea:
    1. Vladimir.z.
      Vladimir.z. 20 March 2014 19: 41
      +36
      Channel 1 TV showed the vote in the referendum in Crimea and one old Crimean Tatar after the vote said: “Russia won the Crimean Khanate, so let the Russians take us away .... we are not gifts, so that someone would give us to someone ... . "- This is the whole point hi
      1. svetlomor
        svetlomor 20 March 2014 19: 53
        0
        The East is a delicate matter, especially since everything will have to be started there again, whom to plant, whom to elevate.
      2. the polar
        the polar 21 March 2014 06: 34
        0

        To site moderators - in the title of the article "Turkic" is written as "Turkic". from the word "Turk"
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 March 2014 06: 49
          0
          Quote: Polar
          in the title of the article "Turkic" is written as "Turkic". from the word "Turk"

          This is not our article, so in the original.
    2. predator.3
      predator.3 20 March 2014 20: 40
      +11
      Author Arthur Priymak


      Some article with a darling, a Maidan-Khokhlyatsk darling. Whose will you be, Mr. Arthur ?!
      1. Field
        Field 20 March 2014 20: 53
        +1
        Quote: predator.3
        some tatya with a darling, a maidan-khokhlyatsky darling

        Add specifics, otherwise I didn’t smell the darling (we lost the scent)))))
        1. dmb
          dmb 21 March 2014 10: 36
          0
          Do not wait for specifics. The main thing is "muddy". It's not difficult. Well, I don't like the fact that the article does not fit into the victorious refrain of the last days. Moreover (I myself am afraid that I will write now) the article raises doubts about the unearthly wisdom of the leader. Of course, little faith, would try to find arguments to conclusively trample the author, proving "his turbidity", but to us, everything is clear - the author is a vrazhin, and his surname is not the same. In light of the fact that recently some commentators, who recently rightly called Kadyrov ..., ..., ..., and many more as bad, nowadays admire him, Dzhemilev, will also soon become a Hero of Russia. True, it is not entirely clear how the quota for Tatars in the Crimean parliament fits with the Russian Constitution, and what to do with the very recent articles and comments on the website, which reported that they were all reptiles and traitors.
      2. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov 20 March 2014 22: 11
        +6
        Quote: predator.3
        Some article with a darling, a Maidan-Khokhlyatsk darling. Whose will you be, Mr. Arthur ?!

        I join predator.3!
        The article consists of conflicting statements and causes an oppressive-perplexed feeling!
        From it there is a conclusion that everything is bad, everything will soon collapse and crumble, and nevertheless on the occasion of you! Banter?
        If the article was signed somehow like Mustafa Janibek, I would try to rummage through the original sources and understand the root of the problem.
        Ah, Arthur Priymak wants to say, have something to say, let me know, but you don’t need to put a shadow on the wattle fence and crush the water in the mortar!
      3. saber1357
        saber1357 21 March 2014 00: 21
        +1
        In, exactly, it really is!
      4. The comment was deleted.
      5. nomad74
        nomad74 21 March 2014 01: 52
        +1
        Quote: predator.3
        Author Arthur Priymak


        Some article with a darling, a Maidan-Khokhlyatsk darling. Whose will you be, Mr. Arthur ?!


        A normal article is competent, telling about really complex and not simple processes in the Turkic regions of Russia, there is no certainty here
        because destructive moments are described from the point of view of Russian patriots! Do not talk about this weakness or betrayal! It is necessary to develop tools for closer integration of the Russian Turks into the Imperial process to replace the pan-Turkic or Islamic model! article plus!
      6. dmitrich
        dmitrich 21 March 2014 05: 10
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        Quote: predator.3
        Some article with a darling, a Maidan-Khokhlyatsk darling. Whose will you be, Mr. Arthur ?!

        Yes it seems with a darling, provocative tsidulka.
      7. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin 21 March 2014 06: 31
        0
        Quote: predator.3
        Some article with a darling, a Maidan-Khokhlyatsk darling.

        Taki yes !!! The first lines and wording immediately make themselves felt, garn stateyka ale fayna wassat
    3. philip
      philip 20 March 2014 21: 18
      0
      Thank you for not having the attic.
      1. skifd
        skifd 20 March 2014 22: 51
        +1
        Quote: dmitriygorshkov
        The article consists of conflicting statements and causes an oppressive-perplexed feeling!


        Don't worry, early. Here the euphoria from the holiday will pass, "harsh everyday life" will begin. Life will show - "xy from xy" ... In the power of "dandelions" no, a priori. Although, what is there, worries himself .. recourse
    4. timer
      timer 20 March 2014 23: 08
      +3
      The article is kind of muddy. I didn't like it. I myself am a Tatar from Kazan, and I will write that the Shaimievsky clan has usurped all the main posts in politics and business. People who are active, courageous, willing and able to take responsibility are not allowed to rise to the top (I remember at least Likhachev and Altynbaev). swamp "and swamp !! As for the Crimean Tatars, I believe that their representatives in the authorities in Crimea should correspond to the total number of Tatars in the region, no more and no less.
    5. saber1357
      saber1357 21 March 2014 00: 21
      +1
      Regarding the spoon, BTW: the author of the article is apparently a supporter of the American "fly in the ointment" policy (well, that is, it is hidden to shit under the guise of friendship, as they threw poison to the Indians). Well, or like Iago in Othello by Shakespeare or other characters of the same type. Dear Arkutur Priymak of unknown origin! Swallow your tar, please, and don't mess with us!
  2. moremansf
    moremansf 20 March 2014 19: 05
    +6
    Not everything is as simple as it seemed ... and this cannot be ignored ... but the fact is a fact, Crimea is now Russia, so you have to accept it ...
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 21 March 2014 01: 21
      +3
      Yes, Crimea is Russia, so Crimean Tatars will have to live according to the Russian constitution and Russian laws. And breaking the law is fraught. Well, since it’s not at all for a living, then a week to Turkey on foot. winked
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 21 March 2014 07: 07
        0
        all the charm of setuevina is that the Tatars calmly accepted the referendum .. and did not overshadow the celebration of the annexation of Crimea for this and will receive a number of preferences
  3. Ascetic
    Ascetic 20 March 2014 19: 07
    +20
    The wave of anti-Russian anger is quite natural and will increase as the Russian World is restored, which only means that the path is right.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 20 March 2014 19: 38
      +7
      Good evening, Stanislav!
      Yes, in general, there is no "anti-Russian malice" at population level many countries. I'm talking about europia. There was nothing like what is happening in the western regions of Ukraine. I have never heard anti-Russian statements in the course of a decade and a half that I traveled to Europe and lived there.
      Yes, everyone understands that governments and their decisions are often diametrically opposed to the wishes of ordinary people. Hence all the desires of the media, controlled by politicians and officials, to denigrate the actions of Russia for the "natives" who believe more in reason and publications on alternative resources.
      So EVERYTHING IS NORMAL! Within the margin of error ... laughing
      1. Field
        Field 20 March 2014 20: 48
        +2
        Quote: Ptah
        Yes, in general, there is no "anti-Russian malice" at the level of the population of many countries. I'm talking about europium. There was nothing like what is now happening in the western regions of Ukraine.

        At the population level, no one decides anything.
        The question is in the military-political and economic elites of the West. That's where the "dog" was buried a long time ago.
    2. Field
      Field 20 March 2014 20: 51
      +1
      Quote: Ascetic
      The wave of anti-Russian anger is quite natural and will increase as the Russian World is restored

      Including in the CIS. Nat the elites of sovereign states (kings, khans and bais with hangers-ons) oh how are shaking for their warm places.
    3. Mih
      Mih 20 March 2014 21: 25
      +1
      The main thing is that Americans are full of shit. G8 is an empty organization. Whom do they scare? Masturbators.
    4. Wellych
      Wellych 20 March 2014 22: 41
      +2
      The wave of anti-Russian anger is quite natural and will increase

      one should not take journalistic farting into a puddle for anti-Russian malice.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 21 March 2014 07: 10
        0
        plus for your imagery ..
    5. Lelek
      Lelek 21 March 2014 01: 24
      +3
      Bravo! I am joining. It will not be easy, but - it is necessary. bully
    6. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 21 March 2014 06: 36
      0
      Quote: Ascetic
      the way is right.

      Where did my friend go? hi , comments are short, are you fighting on other resources?
  4. Nagaibak
    Nagaibak 20 March 2014 19: 07
    +13
    Why Türkic? And not Turkic? It’s like Russian- to write Russian.)))
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 20 March 2014 20: 52
      -3
      Quote: Nagaibak
      Why Türkic? And not Turkic? It’s like Russian- to write Russian.)))

      Turkey? Turkey? Great Turan or Great Turkan?
      1. Mih
        Mih 20 March 2014 21: 28
        +2
        Catherine put an end to. You must write in Russian! And who will be against, then to the tuning back.
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 21 March 2014 08: 08
          0
          Mih "It is necessary to write in Russian! And who is against, then to the tuningback."
          Correctly. Just do not justify illiteracy by patriotism.)))
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 21 March 2014 00: 06
        +1
        Quote: Nagaibak
        rusian


        Quote: Setrac
        Turkey?

        There is a feeling that Turkey is loved more than Russia, there is one minus for a Nagaybak attack, three for mine.
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 21 March 2014 06: 59
          0
          Setrac "It seems that Turkey is loved here more than Russia, for the attack of the nagaybak - one minus, for mine - three."
          By the way, if I am Russian, what ...)))
          Simply, in the Russian language there are rules. According to the rules, Turkic is written.
          I corrected. And here they love not love. It is written the Turkic Kaganate, the Turkic world, etc.
          And then the attack? I did not attack. The article itself is repeatedly written Turkic. AND
          here the title is written illiterate. So I pointed out.
          In my posts, I often argue with representatives with representatives of Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, etc. They know my position. Let's say about Russian "colonialism".)))
          I have never seen your support.)))
  5. alex47russ
    alex47russ 20 March 2014 19: 11
    +3
    CRIMEA OUR AND DO NOT DISPUTE WITH THESE! And BETTER DO NOT DISPUT WITH MICE!
    1. Mih
      Mih 20 March 2014 21: 35
      0
      Yes, it’s better not to argue with us when we go on the bus, otherwise we may not be predictable. We can overwhelm the entire Western world, which has not bent under us. Our Crimea. Who will argue with this, I do not envy him. Amerikosov is not afraid. If khash on maz, then the dulias went out!
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 21 March 2014 01: 27
      +2
      Do you mean Gorbachev or Kalinin? tongue
  6. siberalt
    siberalt 20 March 2014 19: 11
    +3
    All religions are descended from the state. They are distinguished by Orthodoxy or faith. Religion is an attribute of the original state. If Russia has contained multi-sensibility, then this unites them under one roof. The rest is sectarianism in varying degrees of activity (or unrecognized religion). Everyone wants to eat. Here the main thing is who roofs them and what color repaints them. If our religions are based on Orthodoxy, then Russia is invincible.
  7. Igor39
    Igor39 20 March 2014 19: 15
    -14%
    They need to organize a small reservation there, let them live quietly.
    1. made13
      made13 20 March 2014 19: 26
      +4
      Come on, what a reservation. Normal people. It is not known who is more afraid - the Russians that they will be "cut", or the Tatars that they will be "killed". It's just that everything anti-Russian was encouraged in Ukr, including the Majlis and Hizb ut-Tahrir. Tahrir is banned in Russia as a terrorist organization. I think that the Majlis will suffer the same fate after some time. Dzhemilev, Chubarov and others are afraid of this - without the Mejlis they will not call anyone. Well, Dzhemilev, of course, a monument should be erected in Simferopol - this is a Man who fights for his people! God grant that Russian politicians stand up for the Russians so!
      1. Field
        Field 20 March 2014 20: 31
        +6
        Quote: made13
        Tahrir is banned in Russia as a terrorist organization.

        Do they know in Tatarstan?
        And in Dagestan?
        Quote: made13
        Well, Dzhemilev, of course, the monument must be put in Simferopol - this is a man who is fighting for his people! God forbid that Russian politicians stand for the Russians like that!


        posthumously - at the grave
      2. Mih
        Mih 20 March 2014 21: 53
        0
        Normal people raise their children and do not philosophize crafty.
        Our ancestors did not conquer Crimea so that ki would use the conquest.
      3. Mih
        Mih 20 March 2014 22: 54
        +2
        The Russians will never cut anyone or when. Cutting is not an action that characterizes Russians. The massacre is something.
        I know who cut the heads of our boys, but I am silent. (And this is not Orthodox)
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 21 March 2014 01: 30
          +3
          The pitchfork and the ax are Russian tools. negative
    2. Ptah
      Ptah 20 March 2014 19: 28
      +4
      Quote: Igor39
      organize a small reservation there, let them live quietly.

      What is a modern reservation felt on his property, many in Europe. When in a couple of nights entire neighborhoods were plundered and destroyed, formerly even multinational.

      I repeat. It strained how government officials at all levels in a crowd rushed to lick the Tatars. They even propose recognizing them as almost genocide by Stalin. But really - there was a reason ...
      For two years now they have been talking about an increase in the level of extremism on the part of radical Muslims both in Dagostran and in Tatarstan and Bashkiria. And here they propose creating almost enclaves, even importing them from other republics.
      That this is another mine - isn't it visible? And who will set the fuse on fire? Turks? are the Americans? Ours, to spit, is a national trait - first create a problem, then to solve it on a cosmic scale ...

      Even if the Tatars in Crimea would have voted against joining the Russian Federation (12%), the results would still be in favor of joining.
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 20 March 2014 19: 40
        +2
        All those dissatisfied with the new government are expected to be "refugees" in western Ukraine, so let them go there, no one is holding them.
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 20 March 2014 19: 57
          +7
          It is clear that no one is holding.
          And why would they be dissatisfied with the new government. "Maternity capital" will be credited - I don't want to be fruitful.
          Quotations will be allocated to universities - I don’t want to study.
          They will double their pension - I don’t want to pray.
          The Russians "admit their mistake" with the deportation (they will almost repent) - I don’t want swearing (against the oppressors).
          T-shirts with the inscription "Russia-Krymchaks" will buy - I don't want to fight (in Moscow).
          "Red moccasin" dressed - I don't want to work.

          I would live like that ...
        2. Black
          Black 20 March 2014 19: 58
          +2
          Quote: Igor39
          All those dissatisfied with the new government are expected to be "refugees" in western Ukraine, so let them go there, no one is holding them.

          How do you differ from Ukrainian Natsiks? They, go and condemn, for the fact that they "mosk.lyam", like you, indicated 2 roads - assimilation or "gop to Russia !!!" ?
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 20 March 2014 20: 06
            +3
            Quote: Chen
            How do you differ from Ukrainian Natsiks? They, go and condemn, for the fact that they "mosk.lyam", like you, indicated 2 roads - assimilation or "gop to Russia !!!" ?

            But what if, for example, Afghanistan is added, with their million drug traffickers. They also have the right to turn to Putin with a complaint about their harassment by NATO.
            The taji will complain about the Pashtuns, those about the Afghans, and all of them about the Pak. We will "add" them, level their mountains and deliver chernozem and sunflower seeds, and they will pay with gerych, which they themselves will deliver on the territory of "Moscow and Peterhof" ...
            I am not against joining the Crimea. The chance is unique and it was implemented beautifully.
            I am against initially giving preferences to those who have already shown themselves in the Second World War as "Russian-lovers" ...
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 20 March 2014 20: 48
              +5
              Quote: Ptah
              I am not against joining the Crimea. The chance is unique and it was implemented beautifully.
              I am against initially giving preferences to those who have already shown themselves in the Second World War as "Russian-lovers" ...


              Hello! Vadim! Remember what a crowd was on the crowd, angry faces shouting "Allah Akbar!" And the next morning, everything was quiet thanks to the brilliant operation of the MTR, the GRU and the FSB. And so it would have been a real massacre and a sea of ​​blood was shed, the second Chechnya, because the Wahhabis, the Khizbis and the Turkish ones with the American special services acted actively and completely openly there.
              The second step is just to reassure and promise preferences to their leaders, a carrot and stick policy. That would behave quietly. Until the situation settles down. In the future, as the situation stabilizes and the Crimea integrates, we will quietly cultivate pro-Russian sentiments and identify Wahhabis and radicals without unnecessary noise. It was not for this that Crimea was returned to turn it into a hotbed of Wahhabi terrorism. The presence of certain rights imposes mutual obligations. No one is going to infringe on anyone, but
              provoke radicalism, too, no one will. In my opinion, the experience and mistakes in the fight against this evil are higher than the roof and we will not repeat our mistakes. And they will still try to rock the situation there, so politicians and security officials must be prepared for this.
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              2. nomad74
                nomad74 21 March 2014 02: 04
                0
                Quote: AsceticHi! Vadim! Remember what a crowd was on the crowd, angry faces shouting "Allah Akbar!" And the next morning, everything was quiet thanks to the brilliant operation of the MTR, the GRU and the FSB. And so there would be a real massacre and a sea of ​​blood was shed, the second Chechnya. [/ Quote


                It is necessary to work there with the FSB wisely and again a competent policy! For the nation-forming nation they have not yet proposed the national idea of ​​development !, and even more so for the Turks! hence Hizb ut-Tahrir, Wahhabism, and other Islamic sectarianism!
          2. Field
            Field 20 March 2014 20: 36
            +4
            Quote: Chen
            How do you differ from Ukrainian Natsiks? They, go and condemn, for the fact that they "mosk.lyam", like you, indicated 2 roads - assimilation or "gop to Russia !!!" ?

            The fact that their fathers and grandfathers killed and guarded our fathers and grandfathers under fascist flags. Probably in this.
            More than half of the male population was subject to execution under wartime law, and they were regretted, life (whatever you say, life is the most important) was left and resettled. An example with Russian deserters lead or do you know?
      2. SHOCK.
        SHOCK. 20 March 2014 20: 21
        +1
        I repeat. It strained how government officials at all levels in a crowd rushed to lick the Tatars. They even propose recognizing them as almost genocide by Stalin. But really - there was a reason ...

        This is politics, to promise does not mean to marry. Let everything settle down, and then it will be seen. In this case, "the end justifies the means."
        1. Field
          Field 20 March 2014 20: 41
          +1
          Still know what the goal? bully
      3. Capyar 48315
        Capyar 48315 20 March 2014 21: 28
        +1
        The referendum was supposed to be perfect and without excursions. And he became so. For the sake of this, they promised a lot to many and turned a blind eye to many. The result was important and it was achieved. And the fact that the promises of politicians and political reality are somewhat different things is no secret to anyone. From the status of the Tatar language, no one is neither hot nor cold. Yes, and not a quota in power structures, but the posts held determine the degree of influence. And all extremist movements will surely be taken up when the wave subsides. The main thing has been achieved - Crimea has been exemplarily returned to the shadow of the Russian eagle
      4. Mih
        Mih 20 March 2014 21: 59
        0
        Even if the Tatars in Crimea would have voted against joining the Russian Federation (12%), the results would still be in favor of joining.

        I am not against the Tatars.
        But the uninvited guest is worse than the Tatar, and maybe better.
        In general, I began to get their rebelgia. To ebn.
    3. Bi_Murza
      Bi_Murza 20 March 2014 20: 03
      +5
      Yeah, Crimean Tatars, Kazan, Bashkirs, and all nationalities and nationalities in the Russian Federation are more than a hundred and what are you dear Igor in this case different from Turchinov Yarosh and all those who are currently in power in Ukraine
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 20 March 2014 20: 12
        0
        Quote: Bi_murza
        how are you dear Igor in this case different from Turchinov Yarosh and all those who are currently in power in Ukraine

        I will answer, with permission ...
        The fact that I do not want to step on the same rake that the whole last year was muffled by the Russians. In the form of terrorist attacks and as a result of large-scale checks on the subject of Islamic extremism in thousands of mosques throughout Russia.
        Before you promise something to anyone, think about what could happen in ... twenty ...
      2. Mih
        Mih 20 March 2014 22: 16
        +2
        Yeah Crimean Tatars, Kazan
        Pushkin. Kuchum Bey (Kochubey) is rich and noble. Tatar - who was one of the most influential people in Russia. Here is an example of the unity of Russia. The Russian people were tolerant of all peoples living on its territory. The Russian state is strong in that it consisted of the best representatives of the peoples who form it. Glory to Russia !!! Russia cannot be defeated.
    4. Bi_Murza
      Bi_Murza 20 March 2014 20: 03
      0
      Yeah, Crimean Tatars, Kazan, Bashkirs, and all nationalities and nationalities in the Russian Federation are more than a hundred and what are you dear Igor in this case different from Turchinov Yarosh and all those who are currently in power in Ukraine
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 20 March 2014 21: 50
        +1
        Quote: Bi_murza
        Yeah, Crimean Tatars, Kazan, Bashkirs, and all nationalities and nationalities in the Russian Federation are more than a hundred and what are you dear Igor in this case different from Turchinov Yarosh and all those who are currently in power in Ukraine

        And you + 1
      2. ehomenkov
        ehomenkov 20 March 2014 21: 56
        +2
        here ... I flipped through all the comments - finally found ... here in these realities we - Russians live ... poke their noses about their invincible ancestors and I - in the fourth generation - my ancestors were exiled here after the Kosciuszko uprising, a fight and an occupier ... and in vain you please the soul about the household level - there is a deliberate provocation ... But what to call the policy of the COUNTRY - WHEN AT THE BEGINNING, THE PRESIDENT ACKNOWLEDGED THE IDEA OF PEACEFULITY AND TOLERANCE - AND BECAUSE - FROM A HIGH TRIBUNA I STARTED. AND THERE HAS NOT JUST FOUND THE NERVES - JUDAH - IT DOESN'T KNOW AS WELL YAT MATTERS ... Russia has endured this spit ... and now they have subsided - they are waiting - how it will end ... as they were the jackals during the great CHENGIZ, SO REMAINING - to pick up the BALANCES AFTER the GREAT BATTLE ...
        1. Mih
          Mih 20 March 2014 23: 05
          0
          BECAUSE - FROM A HIGH TRIBUNA ANNOUNCED ON COLONIZATION

          I don’t understand at all. Please explain. What are you talking about?
        2. not main
          not main 20 March 2014 23: 54
          -1
          Quote: ehomenkov
          Russia has endured this spit.

          Unlike you, RUSSIA has accepted it as it should the GREAT PEOPLE!
    5. Al_lexx
      Al_lexx 20 March 2014 20: 20
      -1
      Quote: Igor39
      They need to organize a small reservation there, let them live quietly.

      Now, don’t give Bo, if you are heard by the Crimean Tatars and taken seriously!
      Never say that again unless you want to make an eternal enemy.
    6. generalissimo
      generalissimo 20 March 2014 20: 56
      +2
      The reservation is not a reservation, but the cells in the zoo must be kept closed! All this tolerance under other circumstances can go to the Slavs sideways. Do not forget why I.V. Stalin deported both Crimean Tatars and Chechens! And for the fact that the Nazis were greeted with bread and salt, and just like the Bandera, the Nazis shocked! And though: Whoever remembers the old, that eye out! Well, who will forget, TOMU,,,,!
      1. falcon
        falcon 20 March 2014 21: 50
        +1
        Quote: generalissimo
        Do not forget why I.V. Stalin deported both Crimean Tatars and Chechens! And for the fact that the Nazis were greeted with bread and salt and just like the Bandera, the Nazis shocked! And though: Whoever remembers the old, that eye out! Well, who will forget, TOMU,,,,!

        Joseph Vissarionovich also said - "The son is not responsible for his father!"
        Between our peoples there is a real chance to start a relationship from scratch,
        the Russian people have a wonderful trait inherent only in the strong -
        generosity.
        1. Field
          Field 20 March 2014 22: 13
          +4
          Quote: falcon
          the Russian people have a wonderful trait inherent only in the strong - magnanimity.

          And how much blood does it cost us, and what about ours
      2. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 20 March 2014 21: 59
        0
        Quote: generalissimo
        Do not forget why I.V. Stalin deported both Crimean Tatars and Chechens! And for the fact that the Nazis were greeted with bread and salt and just like the Bandera, the Nazis shocked! And though: Whoever remembers the old, that eye out! Well, who will forget, TOMU,,,,!

        You know ... whatever they talked about Chechens or Crimean Tatars, but it was humiliation that they fully drank in the 20 year, when the Cheka shot right and left, indiscriminately. Including even the greater Slavs.
        It is clear that there is a difference in mentality. But if always and everywhere they led the right (namely) policy, and not a system of repression, everything could be different.
        The main law of life is live and let another live. If it is respected, then there is no problem. And if it is not respected, then there should be a system of ratings, which is called LAW and, as a consequence, Justice. And when the RULES are strictly observed and are the same for everyone, then all problems disappear, because a person (any) is a creature that gets used to everything. And least of all twitches when laws are transparent, understandable and constant.
        Think about it. wink

        No offense and nothing personal. smile
    7. alone
      alone 20 March 2014 21: 00
      +2
      I would love to create such a reservation and no less great pleasure would drive all those who think like you there.
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 20 March 2014 21: 49
        0
        Quote: lonely
        I would love to create such a reservation and no less great pleasure would drive all those who think like you there.

        Support.

        Undoubtedly, each ethnos has some distinctive features, but aligning them all with one crest means being no better than those who burned the unarmed Golden Eagle in Kiev. Any adequate person is imbued with respect for another adequate. But the same adequacy can become a mortal enemy if humiliated.
        1. alone
          alone 20 March 2014 21: 52
          +2
          Quote: Al_lexx
          Undoubtedly, each ethnos has some distinctive features, but aligning them all with one crest means being no better than those who burned the unarmed Golden Eagle in Kiev. Any adequate person is imbued with respect for another adequate. But the same adequacy can become a mortal enemy if humiliated.

          Speak correctly. With such conversations, the list of enemies can only be increased.
          1. Al_lexx
            Al_lexx 20 March 2014 22: 07
            +1
            Quote: lonely

            Speak correctly. With such conversations, the list of enemies can only be increased.

            And in the Muslim world, this is especially pronounced in both directions. Both in good and in bad. I have very good Muslim friends, including and Crimean Tatars, who will tear anyone for me. And why? But because they feel that I respect them, respect their customs, their culture.
            How much we spoke with them at the end, about the similarity of our religions, names, etc. For example, one of my friends in Crimea is called Issa, which in a certain translation is Jesus. The blond-haired, blue-eyed. And what, I have to lock him in a cage, for almost 10 years, I have been living in his house for a month?
            1. alone
              alone 21 March 2014 00: 45
              +2
              Incidentally, the name Issa is very common among Muslims, as well as Moussa (Moses)
              1. Al_lexx
                Al_lexx 21 March 2014 21: 25
                0
                Quote: lonely
                Incidentally, the name Issa is very common among Muslims, as well as Moussa (Moses)

                This is true.

                ...
                And they also have very beautiful, fair-haired and blue-eyed young ladies, with a luxurious article. wink
      2. generalissimo
        generalissimo 21 March 2014 04: 20
        -1
        It is wonderful to be tolerant and generous while sitting in an armchair drinking coffee with cognac, living in a guarded elite village, or in a house! And have you ever tried checkpoints, lice and dirt trenches under the constant sight of the "GEROEV" of Russia who killed the first Russian soldier at the age of 16? Have you tried to be tolerant after being in captivity of respected ethnic groups? It's easy to be kind at someone else's expense!
        1. Al_lexx
          Al_lexx 21 March 2014 21: 29
          0
          Quote: generalissimo
          It is wonderful to be tolerant and generous while sitting in an armchair drinking coffee with cognac <...>

          Alexander. Are you talking about yourself?

          Where and when did you serve?

          No offense, but choose expressions.

          ZY
          I am in a separate Leningrad Air Defense Army (from Pskov to Saarem). Worked on blackbirds (SR-71) weekly.

  8. biglow
    biglow 20 March 2014 19: 30
    +4
    there is such an expression among stockbrokers. The market takes everything into account, so Putin takes everything into account too. Money and words are much cheaper than human life .. and Putin knows that ...
  9. konvalval
    konvalval 20 March 2014 19: 56
    +5
    Quote: biglow
    Shortly before the Crimean referendum on the status of the peninsula, Moscow was in talks with Mustafa Dzhemilev, former chairman of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people

    Negotiations are not a war, it’s better than a war, so I think that if it gives any result, it’s good. Here you should never talk with anyone, except in the language of the ultimatum so it is with terrorists and bandit authorities such as in Kiev.
  10. horoh
    horoh 20 March 2014 19: 58
    +4
    They returned Crimea, this is the main thing, now we need to act further, the rest is secondary !!!
  11. 120352
    120352 20 March 2014 20: 24
    +1
    What does the word "Türkic" mean - I know, it is from the word TURKI - a very powerful civilizational layer, but I read "Türkic" for the first time. Translate, who knows what that means?
  12. muginov2015
    muginov2015 20 March 2014 21: 03
    0
    I was pleased to give the author a plus. He beautifully and briefly described the state of affairs in the political alignment of forces in the Republic of Tatarstan, it seems the author is in the topic. The local khans have already arrived with their impudence and unscrupulousness — for the sake of the feeder, they have already sung with home-grown Wahhabis. And it’s time to bury this old bitch Bayramova from the Shaimiev Puppet Theater for a long time. Our funny prezik - you climbed to get rid of it - regional grayness, can’t connect two words, where you won’t come, forever scrotum scratches without hesitation. NAKEPELO PANIMASH!
  13. sv68
    sv68 20 March 2014 21: 07
    0
    Crimea-mirror of Ukraine For 20 years people have been told that only they are the best and most correct. Now you have to wean them from this thought and it will be a long and difficult process. And about separatism, one Kalmyk friend of mine constantly says, listen to the words of your enemy because a person you will understand about his intentions
  14. falcon
    falcon 20 March 2014 21: 21
    0
    I carefully read the article. Honestly, there is a feeling that the author is voicing certain
    internal Tatar disputes, possibly related to the upcoming redistribution of economic spheres
    influence. Well, God be his judge! At all times, even for the fairest army,
    on the heels followed a flock of jackal marauders, wishing to appropriate the fruits of victory.
    In essence the question (briefly touched upon by the Author). I believe that personally nothing to Dzhemilev
    promised. It was promised to the Crimean Tatar people. Representation in authorities, recognition
    language in the rank of state, rehabilitation of the people as illegally repressed. Quite
    reasonable actions to start international relations from a blank page, throwing out mutually
    all skeletons from all closets.
    P.S. Article minus.
    1. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg 20 March 2014 21: 48
      +2
      The article is cloudy. But everything depends on the Crimean Tatars themselves. If with us - then "well done". If against - then "goodbye".
  15. Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol 20 March 2014 21: 47
    0
    The topic of a separate article is such a national feature of Tatarstan as a Wahhabi holding - the merging of the ruling elite of the republic with the radical - Islamists of all stripes, from Wahhabis to Hizb ut-Tahrir.
    Tryndet not to roll bags ... Give evidence ... No? Then this is just your personal "vision" ...

    In all honesty, the economy of Tatarstan stands on three pillars: pumping out investments wherever possible, cyclopean industrial projects, from which there is often a scanty result, and inflated figures, from which the experienced UBEPovets suffers a heart attack. But what real indicators can be discussed, if another is at stake - the significance of Tatarstan! Such a goal will justify any means.
    Has the author ever been to Tatarstan at all? Did you have any business with them? Judging by the conclusions, "a finger to the sky" (which is very mild) is what can be said for this statement.
    However, not everything is so beautiful there, no one argues, BUT, this is the only region, in my opinion, where there is never a "dog fight" over who and where will "make money". "Dad" allocated each site, and everyone will quietly heap it for a year ... Then they will gather, discuss, possibly redistribute, BUT, they give every clan to earn money ... And this is only in Plus to Tatarstan (As a region with a clan structure, which knows how live and work in this structure).

    Ilmir Temirgaliyev explained the presence of the Hizb by the fact that he "wanted to arrange a holiday for all Muslims," ​​among whom he counts the followers of Hizb-ut-Tahrir. The explicit or implicit flirtation of "Tugan Tel" with the Islamists was then sharply condemned by the Mejlis and personally by Mustafa Dzhemilev.
    Mejlis and Dzhemilev express the will of all Crimean Tatars? Judging by the referendum, not at all ... And this is more than, in contrast to the elections under the auspices of Ukraine, where this structure "has always been at its best", in all respects "PR shares."
    But what Temirgaliev did is more deserving of respect. Because he tried to combine, on a common holiday, obviously incompatible, and, at least, tried to involve the Islamists (and explain where the brother really is) in one common theme. Apparently, this is what worries the author so much. "Better", of course, separately, some for joy others in terms of concepts, and then go to the knives ... Yes, and Dzhemilev will have something to "spin" on ...
    1. Field
      Field 20 March 2014 22: 25
      +2
      Quote: Oleg Sobol
      Has the author ever been to Tatarstan at all? Did you have any business with them? Judging by the conclusions, "a finger to the sky" (which is very mild) is what can be said for this statement.

      http://zavtra.ru/authors/user/6295/
      Quote: Oleg Sobol
      merging of the ruling elite of the republic with radical Islamists of all stripes, from Wahhabis to Hizb-ut-Tahrir. Tryndet is not to roll bags ... Give proof ... No? Then this is just your personal "vision" ...

      Black Hizbut flags at car rallies, rallies again with the same flags (no one was detained), attempts on the life of muftis, the seizure of mosques by Islamists (almost raider-like), an attempt to shell an oil pipeline, set fire to Orthodox churches (2 churches burned down, old ones by the way). At the same time, the statement of high officials (and they are from the clan): "There are no extremists in the republic."
      What is it like? Plus, the rallies of the Tatar Natsiks, with overly inflated national consciousness, with official permission of the authorities, incidentally.
  16. 51064
    51064 20 March 2014 22: 07
    +1
    The hero of the article, in fact, may well be just a traitor and, moreover, his own people, since all his actions seem to pursue one main goal - to do something that is not beneficial to either Ukraine, Russia or the Crimean Tatars. I would ask autonomy for the Crimean Tatars at last - no, all the time doing everything against Russia in the first place.
  17. Cossacks
    Cossacks 20 March 2014 22: 14
    +1
    Of all this verbosity, I wonder how many Slavs the Crimean Tatars specifically sold into slavery.
  18. ehomenkov
    ehomenkov 20 March 2014 22: 18
    0
    LIKE A DUZZENE OF SUCCESS HAPPENED - DO NOT FORGET US RUSSIANS! IN FACT THE "BROTHERS" SHOULD FROM US ... THEY ARE THE "GREAT SAKI, KIPCHAKI" - AND WE ARE MUSSOR UNDER THE FEET OF THE GREAT CIVILIZATION - THE KAZAKH ...
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 20 March 2014 23: 21
      +2
      Quote: ehomenkov
      LIKE A DUZZENE OF SUCCESS HAPPENED - DO NOT FORGET US RUSSIANS! IN FACT THE "BROTHERS" SHOULD FROM US ... THEY ARE THE "GREAT SAKI, KIPCHAKI" - AND WE ARE MUSSOR UNDER THE FEET OF THE GREAT CIVILIZATION - THE KAZAKH ...

      personally you are not trash, but a provocateur.
  19. vasiliysxx
    vasiliysxx 20 March 2014 22: 47
    +3
    They returned them to Crimea, rehabilitated, the old grunt still buzzes. Why did they earn the right to treat themselves better than our Tatars, whom I respect with great respect?
  20. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 20 March 2014 23: 57
    +1
    In any nation there are people of different sorts. You can’t level the whole nation under one comb. Not everyone can listen and understand an ordinary person. Create human conditions for people all the more ...
    1. waisson
      waisson 21 March 2014 02: 28
      0
      WHERE IS SO hi HERE I WILL EXPRESS
  21. Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 21 March 2014 02: 34
    +2
    Crimean Tatars will either have to buy as Chechens or again repress.
    in the first case, they will have to give even more freebies than the Russian Crimeans and another 150 thousand Tatars from Uzbekistan will catch up with such gingerbread cookies. total in a few years there will be half a million Crimean Tatars, and after 30 years, due to good fertility and maternal capital - a million people. and Russians by that time in the Crimea will also remain a million, because young people will travel to Russian universities and will often stay there (Moscow, St. Petersburg, Krasnodar). this kind of demographic parity will come out, only the Tatars will have an average age of 20 years less. and then there can be another referendum, but with a different result.
    in the second case, we get another partisan with support from abroad (from Ukraine). and then there will be no tourism, no industry, no agriculture, and the Russian population will quickly dump into the regions more calmly.
    and no conciliatory participation of the Kazan Tatars will help here. for Crimeans they are not at all in authority, but rather rather as younger brothers are considered. the Crimean people have a glorious Dzhigit history (negative or positive is not important) with raids, battles and fighting on equal terms with the largest European powers, Kazan only has a quickly profaned khanate.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 21 March 2014 07: 05
      0
      Well, what can I add ...
      hi
      request
      good
  22. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 21 March 2014 02: 41
    0
    Dzhemilev, this is a fruit that can not be eaten in any form, it must be fed to pigs am
  23. Ulairy
    Ulairy 21 March 2014 04: 34
    +1
    Ineffectual result
    I understand that some woman with a feudal trash in his head traveled around the world, asked for help to intervene, called Putin, who sent him away and crawled back. At the same time, some apa runes wrote letters to the Ancient Ural snake with requests to send Hitler back from the next world. This, apparently, is very IMPORTANT for the current foreign policy situation. It's time to clone John IV and put him on reign over the Tatars in the Crimea ... I forgot about what the article was while writing koment. I'm going to drink bagel tea negative
  24. Old shoe
    Old shoe 21 March 2014 04: 40
    0
    Well, actually it’s correct to write not Turkic, but Turkic, since we are talking about Turks. Against the background of such illiteracy, somehow the credibility of the article ...
  25. individual
    individual 21 March 2014 07: 30
    0
    Time is the best doctor.
    The fact that Russia took under its wing all the peoples, ethnic groups, religions is now undergoing an examination of fidelity.
    The Islamic factor is approaching another test.
    This is neither good nor bad - it must be experienced.