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The war of Russia and NATO, or Reality and conjecture

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The Ukrainian crisis and the various events of recent months have led to the emergence of a mass of various statements and opinions. The leadership of many countries makes unfriendly statements, and sometimes openly makes threats. For example, in the past few weeks, Europe and the United States have been actively discussing the topic of imposing sanctions on Russia, which ultimately led to the emergence of two lists of Russian officials, against whom appropriate measures have been taken. Some time ago, in numerous fierce discussions, an opinion emerged that a war between Russia and Ukraine, or even between Russia and NATO, was about to begin.




The probability of an armed conflict on the territory of Ukraine really looks quite high. Some processes in this country took the form that the possible beginning of a civil war or a conflict with a third party cannot be disregarded. Nevertheless, the conflict between Russia and the countries of the NATO alliance looks more like a fantasy of hotheads, rather than a possible scenario.

The main question in this context is: what benefits will the countries of the North Atlantic Alliance gain from an armed conflict with Russia? The last will help to answer this question. news about sanctions. As follows from the available reports, the introduction of sanctions against our country can cause serious harm to the business of the States that have taken such measures. If it comes to open armed confrontation, the economic losses will be incomparably higher and it is unlikely that they can be justified.

Despite all the risks associated with a hypothetical war, in recent times various “predictions” of such a conflict have regularly appeared. For example, in the end of February and the beginning of March, the campaign of the American ship group led by the aircraft carrier USS George HW Bush (CVN-77) was actively discussed. Some "analysts" have argued that the US Navy ships are heading for the Black Sea to support the new Ukrainian government, and also have the combat mission of striking Russian targets.

History with the American aircraft carrier was perhaps the most interesting, but at the same time completely stupid, attempt to predict the events of the near future. People who are more or less versed in the features of the military fleet and international law, they immediately understood what the version about the participation of the George Bush aircraft carrier in a hypothetical war was worth. The passage of an aircraft carrier of this class to the Black Sea is hindered by both legal and physical factors. Firstly, such a large ship in accordance with the Montreux Convention on the status of straits will not be able to pass through the Black Sea straits. Secondly, the passage of such a ship under the Bosphorus Bridge is an extremely difficult task. As if confirming these findings, the USS George HW Bush aircraft carrier proceeded along a previously laid route in the Mediterranean Sea.

It should be noted that any military assistance by the United States or NATO countries to the new authorities of Ukraine looks extremely unlikely. The main reason for this is the status of Ukraine. This state is not part of the North Atlantic Alliance and therefore cannot count on full-fledged military assistance. In this case, the issue of Ukraine’s entry into NATO becomes relevant, however, such an event does not look possible. There are many obstacles on the way of Ukraine to NATO, from the lack of a stable situation in the country to the unacceptable state of the armed forces.

Another confirmation of the impossibility of war can be considered the words of former US Secretary of Defense R. Gates, spoken by him during an interview for the Voice of Russia radio. The ex-minister believes that the war is completely excluded and the United States does not even think of fighting with Russia over the Crimea or Ukraine. Moreover, Gates has not yet heard any proposals for the beginning of the war. R. Gates also suggested that Washington was disappointed and upset by the fact that in the current situation the United States did not have a wide range of responses to Russia.

It is probably the last unfriendly statements and actions that are connected with this lack of choice. For example, in early March, the Pentagon announced a temporary suspension of military cooperation with Russia. The United States intends to abandon several joint exercises, suspend bilateral negotiations, cancel friendly visits of warships, etc. A few days later, US Secretary of Defense Charles Hagel declared that it was necessary to revise existing agreements on cooperation in other areas. According to his order, the specialists will again examine the contract for the supply of Russian rocket engines. As a result of this analysis, the agreement may be terminated.

It is easy to see that all current unfriendly statements are emotional, and the execution of all the promised "punishments" is associated with big problems for their initiators. For this reason, there is every reason to believe that the situation in the international arena will normalize over the next few months. Now officials of all countries, one way or another connected with the Ukrainian crisis, are in an excited state and are forced to work in extremely difficult and ambiguous conditions. Therefore, in the very near future, when the heat of the situation subsides, they will be able to act calmly and taking into account all possible consequences.

Naturally, in this scenario, there is no room for a hypothetical war between Russia and NATO. All current disputes will soon take on a more relaxed form, and most of the aggressive statements will simply be forgotten.


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  1. avant-garde
    avant-garde 20 March 2014 07: 51
    +44
    US President Barack Obama ruled out US military intervention in the situation in Ukraine. This Obama 19 March said in an interview with NBC.

    “We are not going to get involved in hostilities in Ukraine,” Obama said. According to the president, even residents of Ukraine must admit that an armed confrontation between the United States and Russia would be inappropriate for both Washington and Ukraine itself.
    ====
    They are not suicides in fact, or we’ll run 4 World with sticks and loincloths !!!
    1. Sibiriya
      Sibiriya 20 March 2014 07: 54
      +40
      But you need to be prepared for the dirty tricks of NATO.
      1. Gato
        Gato 20 March 2014 16: 34
        +4
        Quote: Siberia
        But you need to be prepared for the dirty tricks of NATO.

        Precisely that dirty tricks. A direct clash of NATO forces with Armenia seems very unlikely to me. But the use of private VK is already underway, and these figures are trained no worse (or even better) than regular troops. Especially for their specific tasks.
      2. waisson
        waisson 20 March 2014 20: 43
        +1
        we are always ready soldier
    2. nokki
      nokki 20 March 2014 07: 56
      +47
      They do it more cunningly: under the guise of exercises, NATO troops are sent to Ukraine. This is a creeping intervention. In addition, Ukraine is already full of Western special forces and technical specialists who are preparing bases for the reception of troops like Afghanistan.
      1. Commander
        Commander 20 March 2014 08: 14
        +18
        Sneaky jackals!
      2. Zapasnoy
        Zapasnoy 20 March 2014 11: 25
        +3
        Quote: nokki
        They do it more cunningly: under the guise of exercises, NATO troops are sent to Ukraine.

        I support. Most likely, for the most part they will be deployed not by ground forces, but by the air force. Further, I think that the illegitimate power of Ukraine, feeling the United States, will carry out provocations at the border or discriminate against its Russian population. In response to such provocations, we will send our troops to Ukraine, then a direct conflict with the US army is possible, at least in the form of air battles.
        1. raven75
          raven75 20 March 2014 12: 15
          +9
          Yeah, air battles. There will be no fights. All these Western idiots are accustomed to pile up on some practically unrequited country. Economically, these will try to crush, although here, a double-edged sword. But in real life, fighting against modern Russia is unrealistic for ANYONE in the world.
          1. Zapasnoy
            Zapasnoy 20 March 2014 13: 11
            +7
            Quote: raven75
            But in real life, fighting against modern Russia is unrealistic for ANYONE in the world

            Well, the enemy must not be underestimated. Especially so cunning and mean. And we don’t immediately throw them with caps. They also have quite trained specialists + high-quality technical equipment (especially electronics). They may not win, but we cannot avoid serious losses.
        2. Zapasnoy
          Zapasnoy 20 March 2014 13: 03
          +5
          Here are the first bells - On the official website of the Atlantic Council of the USA, it is noted that the Rapid Trident-2014 exercises will be held in the Lviv region, near the Polish border and set the goal of “ensuring regional stability and security, improving interaction between the US Army, the Ukrainian ground forces and other NATO countries. " Most of the participants in the exercises are US troops, ITAR-TASS reports with reference to the Guardian.
          1. bif
            bif 20 March 2014 13: 13
            +7
            Quote: Zapasnoy
            Here are the first bells - On the official website of the Atlantic Council of the USA, it is noted that the Rapid Trident-2014 exercises will be held in the Lviv region, near the Polish border and set the goal of “ensuring regional stability and security, improving interaction between the US Army, the Ukrainian ground forces and other NATO countries. " Most of the participants in the exercises are US troops, ITAR-TASS reports with reference to the Guardian.
            1. waisson
              waisson 20 March 2014 20: 45
              +2
              remembered the old caricature
            2. waisson
              waisson 20 March 2014 20: 48
              +7
              everyone has the same manners
              1. Gato
                Gato 20 March 2014 23: 42
                0
                Quote: waisson
                everyone has the same manners

                That you got excited. laughing
                The first and second we spent home. And where to accompany the third? To America and Africa? Or vice versa?
                1. Weniamin
                  Weniamin 21 March 2014 08: 23
                  +1
                  Quote: Gato
                  The first and second we spent home. And where to accompany the third? To America and Africa? Or vice versa?

                  And we will provide this at Vasya’s discretion.
          2. Angry reader
            Angry reader 20 March 2014 14: 56
            +1
            Lemberg logs wring out)
          3. oldstaryi
            oldstaryi 20 March 2014 22: 28
            +1
            Do not have time. Yatsenyuk wants to give the Zapadentsev to the Poles. wassat
        3. Dobrynya72
          Dobrynya72 21 March 2014 02: 19
          -1
          Or maybe for the sake of peace, we relocate the desired Russian-speaking population of the South-East of Ukraine to Russia. There is plenty of space from the Urals to Vladivostok. Everyone will have enough. PS Nobody drives Ukraine to NATO as much as Russia.
      3. agbykov
        agbykov 20 March 2014 13: 19
        0
        It is assumed that NATO troops will shoot at peaceful demonstrators, since they will not shoot at their own.
        1. max702
          max702 20 March 2014 13: 44
          +2
          For the grandmother will be! on the Maidan shot? Shot! And there will be ..
          1. sichevik
            sichevik 20 March 2014 16: 34
            +6
            Bandera will be free to shoot people in the East and Southeast. I personally came across the pathological viciousness and hatred of Westerners towards the inhabitants of eastern Ukraine.
            1. Dobrynya72
              Dobrynya72 21 March 2014 02: 42
              -2
              A few years ago, a familiar family from Moscow was planning to go to Transcarpathia to a sanatorium. They thoroughly, "prepared," they say you don’t know Mova, bite your tongue and generally hate it there. They took some more friends for safety. But, when they arrived home in Moscow, their stories were similar to the story of a cat from a cartoon about papugaya Kesha. Then they drove by themselves. It happens like this. I live in Ukraine for the fourth dozen, I haven’t seen Bendera’s eyes, fascists too, I live Russian-speaking Ukrainian normally, and why do you have any words for what kind of pathological viciousness.
      4. sssla
        sssla 20 March 2014 20: 25
        0
        Quote: nokki
        They do it more cunningly: under the guise of exercises, NATO troops are sent to Ukraine.

        Do you want to be more cunning? The main Negro of Azerbaijan is preparing two years later a simultaneous strike from the territory of Ukraine, Georgia, Georgia, Georgia, the Baltic countries, Afghanistan, Japan, plus the naval forces of the air forces and allied forces to help them. The agreement with China that they need all of Siberia and something else and a piece of the allies for a piece of whipped pie cream and top jam The script is still the same But who? Who can argue that this will not happen Prove what dashish fantasy is? Look back at the end of the eighties and until today Scroll through the history of the last 35 years. Such tricks in history have occurred during this time. For a short historical period, events take place that used to last for 100-200 years. Nonsense
        1. oldstaryi
          oldstaryi 20 March 2014 22: 30
          +1
          You can't deploy troops like that. Plus logistics. Plus "we will inflict a retaliatory thermonuclear strike on them, if necessary!" soldier
        2. Olegovi4
          Olegovi4 21 March 2014 03: 00
          +1
          Quote: sssla
          simultaneous strike from the territory

          Well then, most of the people will not know how this whole gimp will end, and whoever knows will be the first to envy.
    3. W1950
      W1950 20 March 2014 07: 58
      +12
      So it is true, but we must not forget that the Americans love to rake the heat with the wrong hands and, quite in their spirit, push Russia and Western Europe against their foreheads.
      1. Iron Mike
        Iron Mike 20 March 2014 08: 13
        +46
        Putin is doing the same, actively pushing Europe and America between their foreheads. He plays on the contradictions of the clans and delays the start of the war, actively building up military potential. May God grant him health! And a rich bride. laughing
        1. anip
          anip 20 March 2014 11: 02
          +1
          Quote: Iron Mike
          And a rich bride.

          Why does he need a rich bride? Better let the poor make her happy.
          1. smith7
            smith7 20 March 2014 11: 39
            +4
            We reformulate: Not just rich, but rich, including spiritually! Not by bread alone ... as they say. Next to such a man should be a strong woman. It’s not easy to find such a simple person, in the sense not the leader of the nation ...
            1. cdrt
              cdrt 20 March 2014 15: 35
              +3
              Kabaev's wife is calling laughing girlfriend:

              Listen, what kind of people are men.
              Nothing can be trusted.
              I asked for cream on March 8, not the Crimea!
              Now I'm afraid to even stutter about an Alaskan jacket

              laughing
        2. Angry reader
          Angry reader 20 March 2014 20: 11
          -1
          "partners" more and more look like an Easter of other senile ... Their own weapons at them ... Ignatius Loyola turned over in his coffin)
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      3. Anastasios
        Anastasios 20 March 2014 15: 17
        +3
        I liked the comment on one article on spiegel.de: It is impossible to isolate Russia from the World, you can only isolate yourself from Russia ...
    4. maks-101
      maks-101 20 March 2014 08: 10
      +10
      At the same time, Obama emphasized that the United States does not abandon the idea of ​​applying additional economic sanctions to Russia. The President added that the United States intends to mobilize all of the country's diplomatic resources in order to ensure that there is a strong international coalition opposing Russia's intervention in Ukraine.
      we will prohibit us entrepreneurs from ordering chicken to Russia. cheers cheers cheers
      1. radio operator
        radio operator 20 March 2014 09: 30
        +36
        Quote: maks-xnumx
        we will prohibit us entrepreneurs from ordering chicken to Russia. cheers cheers cheers

        1. shatu
          shatu 20 March 2014 13: 40
          +3
          There were chips in the USSR too.
          And I miss those chips - natural and very tasty, not like Amer’s chemical products. industry!
          1. Phantom Revolution
            Phantom Revolution 20 March 2014 18: 10
            +1
            Do it yourself, in general, everything is chemically in the store, natural products are not stored for more than a week or two.
        2. Angry reader
          Angry reader 20 March 2014 20: 12
          -1
          ... Mysteriously looking at the birches .. And poplars ... M. )
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 March 2014 08: 14
      +28
      Quote: avant-garde
      US President Barack Obama ruled out US military intervention in the situation in Ukraine.

      Believe the US President, do not respect yourself !!!
      It’s another matter that Freedom and Yarosh will be tired of all this fuss and they’ll just go into the Rada and take out from there all those who are upside down and who kicks in the ass. Someone who is lucky. They themselves will steer the country, and they will steer so that Obama will become paired with NATO. The first thing he does is block the gas pipeline to Europe laughing Then he will undertake to put things in order in the country and everyone will get a snot out of it, and the tourists from Obama too. Not more than Ukraine, there is still a map, there are borders, and the country is gone.
      1. muhomor
        muhomor 20 March 2014 09: 52
        +1
        Absolutely right! It is at this moment (Russia's military threat, the occupation of Crimea, the introduction of a visa regime) that it is profitable and logical to introduce an EaP. And the husband does not need any elections.
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 20 March 2014 11: 18
        +9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Not more than Ukraine, there is still a map, there are borders, but the country is no longer there.


        All. forget about the state of Ukraine. marauders are now in power, robbing everything they can, while they give everything to the best of their ability. Yatsenyuk takes out gold. lawyers seize factories and rob banks, the gopot is engaged in robbing the population and expropriating in the name of revolution. Nobody will fight, especially NATO with Russia, although the states dream of a war in Europe with the indispensable participation of Russia. The goal is weakening of the EU and the euro, worsening of the economic situation in Russia. The dollar is again becoming the most liquid currency, and the states are a stable oasis of calm amid global chaos. Immediately for Europe and Russia, the Marshall’s plan begins to work as after 2MB, all inflationary printed dollars are stumbling and again you can continue the construction of a new financial pyramid for about 50 years, becoming the only hegemon.
      3. Atlas
        Atlas 20 March 2014 14: 16
        -2
        I would be incredibly happy with such a scenario !!!!!!!
      4. Danilka
        Danilka 20 March 2014 15: 25
        +1
        I think that in this case his age will not be long ...
      5. Danilka
        Danilka 20 March 2014 15: 25
        0
        I think that in this case his age will not be long ...
    6. Krsk
      Krsk 20 March 2014 08: 37
      +3
      Quote: avant-garde
      or World War 4 we’ll run with sticks and loincloths !!!


      I'm afraid about 700 years apart from mutant cockroaches after this will not run
    7. radio operator
      radio operator 20 March 2014 09: 27
      +16
      Quote: avant-garde
      “We are not going to get involved in hostilities in Ukraine,” Obama said. According to the president, even residents of Ukraine must admit that an armed confrontation between the United States and Russia would be inappropriate for both Washington and Ukraine itself.

      1. waisson
        waisson 20 March 2014 20: 52
        +1
        CRIMEA has always been ours !!!! soldier
        1. v53993
          v53993 20 March 2014 22: 50
          0
          CRIMEA has always been ours !!!! soldier

          And it will be ours!
      2. waisson
        waisson 21 March 2014 02: 39
        +1
        comments on the previous photo
    8. Rusin Dima
      Rusin Dima 20 March 2014 10: 33
      +6
      Only now, again around Syria, the Americans begin to circulate a vulture
    9. 222222
      222222 20 March 2014 11: 18
      +1
      2009 ... "During a weekly briefing on August 26, NATO spokesman James Appathurai said that" NATO does not intend to provide Ukraine with military and security assistance. "

      The reason for such a statement was the signing on August 21 by Ukraine and NATO of a declaration on supplementing the Charter on a Special Partnership between Ukraine and the North Atlantic Alliance, which secures the central coordinating role of the Ukraine-NATO Commission in the process of Ukraine's Euro-Atlantic integration. "
      http://www.segodnya.ua/ukraine/nato-predlozhilo-ukraine-v-cluchae-vojny-raccchit
      yvat-tolko-na-cebja.html
      ..Today, there are no international legal grounds for the military intervention of the North Atlantic Alliance in connection with the crisis between Russia in Ukraine. NATO acts on the basis of an agreement, a legal document that provides for the protection of the common territory of the member states. Since Ukraine is not a NATO member, there was and will not be any reason to expect that the Alliance as a whole, or some of the countries, through armed assistance or intervention, will participate in resolving the crisis situation in Ukraine. "
      1. witch
        witch 20 March 2014 23: 16
        +1
        Yes, as you all are sick of talking about the agreements of that other tryndet, even the child will understand and see that the agreement is not what they don’t cost, what they don’t decide. Europe and the Americans are bending their own way and how beneficial it is for them, the current is not always successful only we all shout out international law and treaties. Everything is just a lot, we need not 1500-2000 nuclear fights. There were 200 heads and carriers it’s so 000 then it’s just, pro, it makes no sense not to intercept such an armada. and the whole world and silence. and the project will resume the hand of death. and the world will back away from Russia. as in any sense, if at the death of Russia it will launch all the missiles at once, that is, there will be no one left; Russia will not have anyone.
    10. Stalnov I.P.
      Stalnov I.P. 20 March 2014 12: 56
      +1
      According to various sources, we have tactical nuclear weapons of about 10 thousand warheads, what kind of war, one ashes will remain, that's the whole story.
      1. oldstaryi
        oldstaryi 20 March 2014 22: 33
        0
        Reluctance to live in a radioactive garbage dump. Better by soft power! soldier
    11. bif
      bif 20 March 2014 13: 09
      +12
      Quote: avant-garde
      US President Barack Obama ruled out US military intervention in the situation in Ukraine. This Obama 19 March said in an interview with NBC.
      ====
      They are not suicides in fact, or we’ll run 4 World with sticks and loincloths !!!
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 20 March 2014 15: 46
        +1
        Quote: bif
        Quote: avant-garde
        US President Barack Obama ruled out US military intervention in the situation in Ukraine. This Obama 19 March said in an interview with NBC.
        ====
        They are not suicides in fact, or we’ll run 4 World with sticks and loincloths !!!


        Depends on the trajectory laughing
        For some - 25-27 minutes, for some more than 30 minutes
        1. oldstaryi
          oldstaryi 20 March 2014 22: 35
          +1
          If you blame Blue from the Pacific Ocean, then even faster! soldier
        2. bif
          bif 21 March 2014 00: 14
          0
          For some - 25-27 minutes, for some more than 30 minutes
          if it is from land, but do not forget about the other components of the nuclear triad))))
    12. Cherdak
      Cherdak 20 March 2014 15: 41
      0
      Quote: avant-garde
      “We are not going to get involved in military operations in Ukraine”

      There is every reason for this.

      And by the way, the very paper under discussion is the Memorandum on Security Guarantees in Connection with Ukraine's Accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (Budapest memorandum), i.e. An international treaty concluded on December 5, 1994 between Ukraine, the USA, Russia and the United Kingdom on Ukraine’s nuclear-free status. One small caveat - it was never ratified by Russia, the USA and Great Britain...

      About how this document was adopted and signed, said the witness of the nuclear disarmament process, the President of the Atlantic Council of Ukraine Vadim Grechaninov:

      “I attended the OSCE meeting in Budapest in 1994, when we were given guarantees by Russia, the UK and the USA, and then France and China. From the outside, everything looked very frivolous. Yeltsin drunk stands on the stage, hugs the leaders of the above countries. All this did not inspire confidence in me ... But the most important thing is that the guarantees were “lost” somewhere. They were “lost” precisely because the treaty never became an international legal document: it was not ratified, nor were mechanisms for its application developed.
    13. Metal
      Metal 20 March 2014 20: 18
      +4
      Is there enough strength?

      1. Bear
        Bear 21 March 2014 00: 00
        0
        Can not be! Is that really true? Can someone comment professionally, without emotion and knowledgeably?
    14. allexx83
      allexx83 21 March 2014 01: 32
      0
      We’ll run the 4th world with sticks and loincloths !!!
      With plywood shields, cobblestones, bats and flails, which the Ukrainians-Maydauns will "give" to people thrown back into the Stone Age))))))
  2. Nikich
    Nikich 20 March 2014 07: 55
    +9
    Quote: avant-garde
    US President Barack Obama ruled out US military intervention in the situation in Ukraine. This Obama 19 March said in an interview with NBC.

    “We are not going to get involved in hostilities in Ukraine,” Obama said. According to the president, even residents of Ukraine must admit that an armed confrontation between the United States and Russia would be inappropriate for both Washington and Ukraine itself.
    ====
    They are not suicides in fact, or we’ll run 4 World with sticks and loincloths !!!

    Well, I don’t know, I think the Americans have atrophied a sense of self-preservation. Well, at least some of them.
  3. parus2nik
    parus2nik 20 March 2014 07: 55
    +13
    In Europe, they have not completely lost their minds yet .... In the USA, yes, there have long been crazy in power since 1945 when the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki forcing civilians to peace ...
  4. albert
    albert 20 March 2014 07: 59
    +10
    Yes, with Kim Jong-un, it is still impossible to decide to start a war because of his several atomic bombs, and to get involved in a conflict with Russia, which, as Kiselev put it, “can turn America into radioactive ash,” all the more will not risk it. , and biological laboratories near Novosibirsk also work.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 20 March 2014 17: 01
      +2
      Quote: albert
      Yes, with Kim Jong Un you still can not decide to start a war because of his several atomic bombs

      Yes, they need this Kim Jong Il, he does not have oil.
  5. pushman
    pushman 20 March 2014 07: 59
    +13
    They will not fight openly, only to crap stealthily
    1. Dictator
      Dictator 20 March 2014 08: 17
      +13
      Herod shit in your pants !!!!!
  6. buzuke
    buzuke 20 March 2014 08: 01
    +8
    and most aggressive statements will simply be forgotten.

    but this would not be desirable. we should even record for loyalty who and what threatened us, so that later they would put their own words into mug
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 20 March 2014 09: 10
      +2
      "Whoever remembers - the eye is out, BOTH FORGETS - BOTH!"
  7. valokordin
    valokordin 20 March 2014 08: 01
    +22
    Tension in Ukraine is great enough. The West and the Center of Ukraine are very dissatisfied with Russia because of the Crimea, talking with a fellow soldier from the Poltava region. But most of all they hate Putin and consider him guilty of everything. When he spoke about Bandera, he called them anti-corruption fighters, Putin and Yanukovych corrupt. He recalled Vlasovites. Residents of the southeast subsidized regions and non-Ukrainians. So a civil war is very possible. So that it does not happen, the federalization of Ukraine is necessary and as soon as possible, and our help in Ukraine must be urgently needed.
    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 20 March 2014 08: 18
      +6
      So a civil war is very possible. So that it does not happen, the federalization of Ukraine is necessary and as soon as possible, and our help in Ukraine must be urgently needed.


      I totally agree with you !! And we need federalization as soon as possible !! The east already has a starting point - Crimea !!! And the adoption of relevant laws by the Russian parliament will be a good help to them !!
    2. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 20 March 2014 09: 24
      +8
      Your fellow soldier stuck his head in the sand and yells that Putin, Yanukovych, non-Ukrainians, Ethiopians, Obama, etc. are to blame. . At this time, he was whipped on his open ass. At the very thing, the mind is not enough in your house to bring order to yourselves? Or does the Germans, Russians, Poles, or Gypsies bring order to him?
      1. radio operator
        radio operator 20 March 2014 09: 35
        +11
        Quote: Saratoga833
        Your fellow soldier stuck his head in the sand and yells that Putin, Yanukovych, non-Ukrainians, Ethiopians, Obama, etc. are to blame. . At this time, he was whipped on his open ass. At the very thing, the mind is not enough in your house to bring order to yourselves? Or does the Germans, Russians, Poles, or Gypsies bring order to him?

        There is someone to put things in order
        1. waisson
          waisson 21 March 2014 02: 44
          0
          PUTIN ------- OBAMA --------------- IN RUSSIA soldier
      2. Fin
        Fin 20 March 2014 11: 30
        +5
        Quote: Saratoga833
        Your fellow soldier stuck his head in the sand and yells that Putin, Yanukovych, non-Ukrainians, Ethiopians, Obama, etc. are to blame. . At this time, he was whipped on his open ass. At the very thing, the mind is not enough in your house to bring order to yourselves? Or does the Germans, Russians, Poles, or Gypsies bring order to him?

        This is a man with a higher military education. Go to the Ukrainian. sites and oh ... those, the level of thinking in the area of ​​the baseboard, are not able to draw any conclusions. Mosk za.s.r.a.s nationalism irrevocably. Friends, acquaintances call brothers and sisters in Ukraine - it’s not possible to talk to them at all, they don’t listen to anything. God forbid that GDP does not go to southeast Ukraine.
        1. max702
          max702 20 March 2014 14: 15
          +6
          He will not go to SE today, they will come to us tomorrow, but already completely hibernated, stuffed with not only propaganda but also weapons, advisers, and other rabble, and with the direct support of the financial and military-industrial complex of the West. Now they are establishing logistics in the occupied regions, pulling up the rear, removing the displeased and not loyal .. But then forward to the east .. When you sit in the trenches near Voronezh, remember your koment. It is necessary to fight on foreign territory, although it is very similar to its own.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 20 March 2014 17: 04
            0
            Quote: max702
            . Now they are establishing logistics in the occupied regions, pulling up the rear, removing the displeased and not loyal .. But then forward to the east .. When you sit in the trenches near Voronezh, remember your koment.

            To fight seriously, it is necessary to produce millions of tons of ammunition (and other supplies), will Ukraine be able to do this? Does TE still have production capacity?
            1. KG_patriot_last
              KG_patriot_last 20 March 2014 19: 56
              +2
              NATO will leave them if Russia does not intervene. 50 million. Bleed in 2030-year with 150 million. This is the main chic of the Obama doctrine (which will be reevaluated in world history).
              So what a person writes correctly - it is better to fight with illegitimate power now than then with all the fraternal people ...
              1. witch
                witch 20 March 2014 23: 29
                +1
                where did you see the brothers in Ukraine there? the brothers are already part of the Russian Federation. And THERE SCREAMS THERE YES FOR KNIVES TO POOL ON PROMISES IT DOESN'T PROMISE BROTHERS PERSONALLY TO ME. NOT FOR THIS MY GRANDFATERS AND GREATERFUL DIED AND FELL IN THE WAR.
          2. Fin
            Fin 20 March 2014 19: 09
            +1
            Quote: max702
            It is necessary to fight on foreign territory, although it is very similar to its own.

            How do you imagine going to free those for whom we are invaders? Half, or even more, think so. Shots from the window of a multi-storey building, civilians around, carry the house with artillery? Or send guys under the bullets? What should they say? Is the fascist sitting there?
            I talked online with classmates at school, I quote:
            Seryoga, this is our country and we ourselves will figure it out! We do not need to teach us what to do and how to do, put things in order at your place ... And on the account of the divorce, it was Russia who divorced us by the so-called "brotherly country", your troops are already in Crimea, and pray to God that there is no war, we so we will not give up and we will not tolerate any occupant ... Sorry, but this is the bitter truth ...

            The current lieutenant colonel with Soviet education. Any questions?
            So, let them gorge themselves on "freedom" and the accompanying de ... ma, and then it will be seen.
            1. oldstaryi
              oldstaryi 20 March 2014 22: 46
              0
              They did not boast about walking on the army, but boasted while walking with rati! There are 20 million Russian speakers and they will not let them fight. New Russia-it has always been Russia! soldier
        2. KG_patriot_last
          KG_patriot_last 20 March 2014 19: 47
          0
          And all from information attacks - the EU and the USA are repeating one thing and the voice of a lonely Russia seems to them to be knocking out and one-sided propaganda.
          We all went through this in 2005 and 2010 ... At such moments, it’s not common sense ...

          The West has taken an unambiguous course - to tear Ukraine from Russia and stabilize the situation by an external enemy: Russia. In general, they were striving for this with the EU / NATO initially.
          So hurray patriots need to understand - you need to act decisively and quickly, and without hope of the adequacy of Ukraine. But Putin, in his speech the day before yesterday, shocked me that Crimea was enough ... Well, okay, but you need to understand that initially neutral Ukraine, Georgia and Kyrgyzstan are not coincidences and that Belarus and Kazakhstan will also swing. The Baltic states have long been crushed for themselves, Armenia and Azerbaijan as a region have also taken unequivocal positions, Moldova and Transnistria are tied up unambiguously, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan are torn away for a long time ... there were no post-USSR countries where there would be no upheaval.
          So Putin must take into account not only Ukraine as Ukraine, but also trends and geopolitical shifts.
      3. Evgeny_Lev
        Evgeny_Lev 20 March 2014 12: 28
        +6
        Here is much more detailed symptomatology described.
        Central to the intellectual biography of Gregory Bateson (a famous British-American scientist whose work explores a wide range of issues of cybernetics, information theory, socialization, communication theory - Ed.), Was the concept of “double bind” (I translate this as “double (false) firmware ").

        According to Bateson, dual firmware occurs when one of the partners sends the opposite signals of a different logical type to the other. For example, the mother tells the child that he is very beautiful, and thus avoids looking at him; or the government says it raises taxes in order to take better care of the people.

        Moreover, the key point in this phenomenon is the prohibition to critically analyze this discrepancy. In Bateson, this is shown by the example of a mother who forbids her child to doubt her love, even when she hits him and frankly harms him. In our reality today, this may be a ban on doubting the goodness of the Maidan, despite the enormous harm from it and the apparent external influence with its help. Let me explain: government propaganda is lazy, it does not require you to believe it. The government does not need you. Believe me - well, no - well, and to hell with you. But the opposition propaganda aggressively imposes its opinion on you, because for the opposition you are the resource that it wants to use to become the government (and then you will also cease to be interesting to it).
        Bateson believed that "double firmware" leads to schizophrenia. Say, an objective perception of reality tells you that the opposition is a bunch of mediocrity and degenerates, but at the same time, your beliefs (and they are exactly yours? Can they be imposed on you by propaganda?) Tell you that they still need to be supported, or public expectations from society, friends, acquaintances and associates forbid you to doubt the goodness of the opposition. And so, on the contradiction between reality and its “generally accepted” or “permissible” interpretation, schizophrenia arises.

        Further here.
        http://sergey-zyas.livejournal.com/251061.html
  8. Siberian19
    Siberian19 20 March 2014 08: 02
    +3
    They will assure now that they will calm down, the State Department must show its allegiance!
  9. Sanyht
    Sanyht 20 March 2014 08: 05
    +5
    one missile was enough for comrade Dudaev * POINT Y * ???
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 March 2014 08: 15
      +11
      Quote: Sanyht
      one missile was enough for comrade Dudaev * POINT Y *

      He was filled up with drying.
    2. radio operator
      radio operator 20 March 2014 09: 38
      +5
      Quote: Sanyht
      one missile was enough for comrade Dudaev * POINT Y * ???

      The point at the next gathering of field commanders and fighters of the illegal armed groups.
    3. aleshka
      aleshka 20 March 2014 17: 54
      0
      Dudaev was bombarded with an X-25 missile, it was enough for it !!!
  10. Monk
    Monk 20 March 2014 08: 08
    +16
    By God, there is already some kind of hysteria on the site with this war with NATO. Nobody will fight with anyone, especially with Russia. The spiders in the jar will eat themselves; you just have to wait a bit. And I’ll say this about the war: if the states or NATO were able to fight with Russia, I’m afraid the war would have been going on for a long time, and maybe it would have ended somewhere in Berlin. Stop hysteria already.
    1. Iron Mike
      Iron Mike 20 March 2014 08: 15
      +6
      With your mouth, yes honey to drink.
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    3. terrible
      terrible 20 March 2014 08: 56
      +3
      :) That's just the thing that we will get stuck in this Bandera swamp. and they need to. again they drag their insurgent writings like wolves to the moon. smoke them again from the caches of 20-30 years. not shy fuck us that Kiev. wring out areas with a predominantly Russian population. let the others suck.
      1. radio operator
        radio operator 20 March 2014 09: 40
        +3
        Quote: formidable
        :) That's just the thing that we will get stuck in this Bandera swamp. and they need to. again they drag their insurgent writings like wolves to the moon. smoke them again from the caches of 20-30 years. not shy fuck us that Kiev.

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    5. puskarinkis
      puskarinkis 20 March 2014 16: 20
      0
      The trouble is that the states have not been fighting themselves for a long time. Well, if only with "dwarfs". And for more serious conflicts, they gather all the henchmen, share the responsibility equally, lower the leash and watch others fight, supporting the information field. They themselves do not need to fight, they need Us to fight! And even if Russia drives everyone under the benches, even if it brings good, then whole people with already brainwashed will, sitting under the bench, accumulate anger on the damned "her" and wait for the moment to bite again. Russia is losing the information war. At the moment, people with brainwashed have some kind of block in their heads - they, without trying to comprehend information from Russian sources, immediately throw it into the "Kremlin propaganda" folder and start yelling about it even more, become even stronger in his opinion ... Everything is designed not for a physical collision, although this will be doubly welcome, but to divide us on a mental level. And there it doesn't matter whether we fight or not - we will resist! And this is very sad ...
    6. oldstaryi
      oldstaryi 20 March 2014 22: 50
      0
      No hysteria. We just remember that "we are peaceful people, but our armored train is on a side track!" soldier
  11. Ilja 22
    Ilja 22 20 March 2014 08: 10
    +7
    In the question with Ukraine, they are frankly about "whether it is already a matter of time, they also showed their whole essence to the whole world, and showed not the best side, but everything is as usual!
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 20 March 2014 16: 07
      -1
      Quote: Ilja 22
      In the question with Ukraine, they are frankly about "whether it is already a matter of time, they also showed their whole essence to the whole world, and showed not the best side, but everything is as usual!


      Well, why did they openly lose?
      1. The Ukrainians of western and central Ukraine sincerely hate GDP and Russians (it just hasn’t become so obvious yet). Allied relations between our countries are no longer possible in the next 10-15 years
      2. A hotbed of serious tension has appeared at the borders of Russia, with which the Russian Federation will be completely carried away
      3. SEI is turning into a field of continuous instability, and apparently Russia will no longer have enough political power to seize it.

      In my opinion, it worked perfectly
    2. cdrt
      cdrt 20 March 2014 16: 49
      0
      Quote: Ilja 22
      In the question with Ukraine, they are frankly about "whether it is already a matter of time, they also showed their whole essence to the whole world, and showed not the best side, but everything is as usual!


      Well, why did they openly lose?
      1. The Ukrainians of western and central Ukraine sincerely hate GDP and Russians (it just hasn’t become so obvious yet). Allied relations between our countries are no longer possible in the next 10-15 years
      2. A hotbed of serious tension has appeared at the borders of Russia, with which the Russian Federation will be completely carried away
      3. SEI is turning into a field of continuous instability, and apparently Russia will no longer have enough political power to seize it.

      In my opinion, it worked perfectly
  12. Good
    Good 20 March 2014 08: 19
    +6
    It is useless to fight with the country in which tank biathlon competitions are held. Let them learn history!
  13. stayer
    stayer 20 March 2014 08: 20
    +6
    They will harden and shut up. But they will take revenge. I think it is possible in the near future to expect complications in Syria, right up to military operations and bombing. Only here the chemical weapons will be finally destroyed and they will begin to hammer on a new one. Assad should be supported by air defense systems. IMHO of course.
    1. radio operator
      radio operator 20 March 2014 09: 45
      +6
      Quote: stayer
      They will harden and shut up. But they will take revenge. I think it is possible in the near future to expect complications in Syria, right up to military operations and bombing. Only here the chemical weapons will be finally destroyed and they will begin to hammer on a new one. Assad should be supported by air defense systems. IMHO of course.

      Don’t be afraid, brother!
      EW military equipment was sent there. Specials too.
      So Americans crack more than one tooth on Syria
      1. waisson
        waisson 20 March 2014 20: 53
        +1
        here's another topic
  14. shinobi
    shinobi 20 March 2014 08: 25
    +5
    The events of recent years have shown that without a clear and unequivocal support of the United States, without their command and leadership, they did not carry out a single operation. For the United States, entering into a direct armed conflict with the Russian Federation is lethal. In other matters, like for any member of the alliance, and NATO as a whole. The Yankees have good and large Navy. But in relation to the geopolitics of the continent of Eurasia, it is useless. There 90% of trade relations are carried out by land. For control, an army is needed. The US Army, well equipped with material and technical equipment, is chiefly.
  15. Jedi
    Jedi 20 March 2014 08: 27
    +5
    A conflict between Russia and NATO is really unlikely, if not impossible! But the introduction of the RF Armed Forces into the territory of Ukraine is still possible, whatever our military and Putin would say. The military and special services are on alert and awaiting orders - this is a fact, not my words.
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 20 March 2014 08: 50
      +2
      Quote: Jedi
      The military and special services are on alert and awaiting orders - this is a fact, not my words.


      Yes, who would doubt it. I hope so.
    2. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 20 March 2014 09: 56
      +6
      The army exists to kill and not to restore internal order. We will introduce an army, and who will we kill? All in a row or through one? And then what? The meaning of the introduction of the army in Ukraine?
      1. anip
        anip 20 March 2014 11: 10
        +1
        No, no, no one needs to be killed. Rather, ordinary people are not needed. And all sorts of Bandera-OUN members-neo-fascists can be under the law banning Nazi agitation, the ban on extremism, etc. let you down. Yes, and our propaganda should be more active in broadcasting and publishing documents, chronicles, etc. to the whole world. not only recent events, but also during World War II, to show who Bandera, Shukhevych and others like them really are.
        1. Manul
          Manul 20 March 2014 16: 30
          0
          Quote: anip
          Yes, and our propaganda should be more active in broadcasting and publishing documents, chronicles, etc. to the whole world. not only recent events, but also during World War II, to show who Bandera, Shukhevych and others like them really are.

          Exactly: Introduce your grants to journalists from key countries.
        2. aleshka
          aleshka 20 March 2014 17: 57
          +1
          How we will sort, think about it !!!
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 20 March 2014 17: 10
        -1
        Quote: Saratoga833
        We will introduce an army, and who will we kill?

        And who did the Red Army kill seventy years ago?
        Quote: Saratoga833
        And then what?

        Is it such a "pale" campaign for the Maidan? And then, all Bandera's suitcase-station-Europe, all Russian region-country-Russia.
  16. rasputin17
    rasputin17 20 March 2014 08: 27
    +6
    The situation is of course very difficult now! But I really want to help our brothers in the east live in a normal country without a brown plague! Leaving them there means to be torn to pieces by fascist youths and left to their own devices !! Maybe now it makes sense, at least in parts, to take them out of there taking the events in the Crimea as a basis !? But a lot depends on their independent actions and decisions !! We cannot directly act in a foreign country but we can help them all that will depend on us !!
    1. yustas
      yustas 20 March 2014 09: 11
      +2
      Quote: rasputin17
      help them all that will depend on us !!

      I completely agree with you, comrade. It is good that not everyone in the former republics believes that the Russians are to blame. and there is still someone who will stand shoulder to shoulder, with general danger. We are strength together, that's why they are afraid of our reunion in any form.
      1. rasputin17
        rasputin17 20 March 2014 09: 26
        +16
        . It is good that not everyone in the former republics believes that the Russians are to blame. and there is still someone who will stand shoulder to shoulder, with general danger. We are strength together, that is why they are afraid of our reunion in any form.


        And I don’t know who I am! ??
        My father is a German from northern Kazakhstan, a Russian mother, a great-grandfather on the maternal side of the Bashkirs from Ufa, a great-grandmother on the paternal side of a Belarusian !! And I consider myself the son of the USSR !! Because I gave him the oath and I do not divide people according to the national principle! True, there is one sinner behind me!)) I sent my sons to Russia and they are its citizens since I want a normal future and education for them! The eldest, in my opinion, entered the Suvorov School because the profession of defending the homeland will give him the opportunity to become a worthy citizen and person and an example for younger brothers!
        1. soaring
          soaring 20 March 2014 13: 01
          +2
          You are the real man! Your children success in business and in life !!! good drinks
    2. anip
      anip 20 March 2014 11: 13
      0
      Quote: rasputin17
      Maybe now it makes sense, at least in parts, to take them out of there taking the events in the Crimea as a basis !?

      This is necessary in order to create powerful pro-Russian and simply Russian-speaking organizations in the South-East of Ukraine, it is necessary that such organizations receive powerful financial and political support.
  17. Nikich
    Nikich 20 March 2014 08: 32
    +2
    Quote: Monk
    By God, there is already some kind of hysteria on the site with this war with NATO. Nobody will fight with anyone, especially with Russia. The spiders in the jar will eat themselves; you just have to wait a bit. And I’ll say this about the war: if the states or NATO were able to fight with Russia, I’m afraid the war would have been going on for a long time, and maybe it would have ended somewhere in Berlin. Stop hysteria already.

    They are capable. But they know that they are able to get from us.
  18. Altona
    Altona 20 March 2014 08: 33
    +10
    Without the "unsinkable aircraft carrier" of Crimea, all this fuss over Ukraine began to lose all meaning for the West, it was not possible to squeeze out the Russian military presence, and it is also expensive to feed Ukrainians with "free" Eurosalom. Therefore, hysteria is being blown away slowly, and the money for the project "Ukronazis-Bandera" is wasted ...
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 20 March 2014 08: 49
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      money for the project "Ukronazis-Bandera" wasted ...

      Not completely empty ...
      Thanks to their grandmothers, the whole world remembered what fascism was.
      And in Ukraine itself, it will be like a vaccine against national fascism. She returned many brains to the place.
      1. yustas
        yustas 20 March 2014 09: 14
        +1
        Quote: Boris55
        And in Ukraine itself, it will be like a vaccine against national fascism. She returned many brains to the place.

        it’s so, it’s only sad that many innocents and those who were faithful to the oath suffered.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 20 March 2014 09: 17
          -1
          Quote: yustas
          it’s so, it’s only sad that many innocents and those who were faithful to the oath suffered.

          "History is not a teacher, but a warden. She does not teach anything, but only punishes for an unlearned lesson" (Klyuchevsky)
    2. radio operator
      radio operator 20 March 2014 10: 09
      +16
      Quote: Altona
      Without the "unsinkable aircraft carrier" of Crimea, all this fuss for Ukraine began to lose all meaning for the West,

  19. IGS
    IGS 20 March 2014 08: 36
    +1
    New world game rules are being developed, albeit hard. You can gibber as much as you like, but the first rule appeared, or rather they took the old one, tested since the Cold War, and they waited for him, although they did not believe it, but were afraid that it would be different.
    1. There will be no open armed conflict between the United States and Russia.
    2 .....
    This, by the way, and a warning to third forces who want to push both states to such an extent, will be merged.
    And, to be honest, I'm glad that it appeared.
  20. mamont5
    mamont5 20 March 2014 08: 46
    +5
    "... Washington is disappointed and frustrated by the fact that in this situation, the United States does not have a wide range of responses to Russia."

    I hope that soon they will be even more upset.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 20 March 2014 08: 54
      +1
      With the initiative of them.
      Now the whole world has learned that they are not so scary and that they can be sent.
  21. arhaANGEL
    arhaANGEL 20 March 2014 08: 55
    +3
    Our companies that write games on PC need to create a shooter called "Liberation of Ukraine"
    the plot of the company on behalf of the special unit "Berkut" or the special unit "Alpha". There will be one more tool in the information war.
  22. mountain
    mountain 20 March 2014 08: 56
    +3
    I don’t know how with the war, with NATO, but the fact that all the scum of the world wants to provoke and take part is already a fact. And until they get into a mug they will not calm down. I would like to teach them such a lesson that a hundred years from the word Russia and the Russians shook and cursed them.
  23. Demo
    Demo 20 March 2014 09: 06
    +30
    Well, something like this))))
    1. arhaANGEL
      arhaANGEL 20 March 2014 09: 50
      +2
      Direct to the point)))))
  24. terrible
    terrible 20 March 2014 09: 09
    +4
    it is necessary to start their partisans in the southeast. derail a couple of echelons with machinery. shell the column, detonate the land mine. start the national liberation struggle. so that the land under the feet of the banderlog burns.
    1. max702
      max702 20 March 2014 14: 49
      +1
      Long overdue!
  25. Russian 77
    Russian 77 20 March 2014 09: 09
    +2
    Americans are at a standstill ... They need someone else's war to sell weapons, but Ukraine has no money)))) Well, it would seem that they could arrange barter only when they realized that they were fucked up quickly recognized by the government as invaders and renounce their obligations ... here Obama sits, holding on to his head, it seems as usual - the porridge is brewed away from the borders of America and now you can try to cook your ax in it, they only understand that no one will even add salt to this porridge ... And the pot is already in the oven
  26. Stiletto
    Stiletto 20 March 2014 09: 24
    +1
    That's right, they do not want to lose Brussels because of the Crimea and Ukraine.
  27. alex47russ
    alex47russ 20 March 2014 09: 27
    +1
    We should not be afraid of either NATO kov nor the lousy European Union! Mother Russia was attacked many times, we conducted excursions around Our vast and then escorted to the house! So it will be with everyone! In the words of Alexander Nevsky: ,, Whoever comes to us with a sword will die from the same sword! ,, !!!!!!
  28. Leopold
    Leopold 20 March 2014 09: 34
    +1
    There will be no open conflict - the troops of the shock will not meet the geopolitical interests of both sides). And then suddenly the backsides will be torn from their homes and will begin to sort out who disturbed them there. In Afghanistan in the 80s, the United States, as it were, did not fight.
    But the explosive growth of armed provocations, diplomatic trolling, yes, it can be easily predicted.

    And now the exercises in Ukraine have already begun, some women in the gas sector asked to be part of Russia ... Will there still be
  29. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 20 March 2014 09: 35
    +1
    Now officials of all countries, one way or another connected with the Ukrainian crisis, are in an excited state and are forced to work in extremely difficult and ambiguous conditions.
    The situation reminds a picture when at night in the house where there are cockroaches the light turns on! bully
  30. ken
    ken 20 March 2014 09: 36
    +6
    And you, Obama think !!!
  31. ed65b
    ed65b 20 March 2014 09: 44
    +5
    The Pentagon analyzes the events in the Crimea and comes to a disappointing conclusion about the state of the Russian Army. Her iron discipline, training and brilliantly conducted operation in Crimea by unidentified armed forces and Putin's full confidence that he will not be let down and not a single victim will be allowed to take control of such a vast territory. Pentagon generals are puzzled by the rapid progress of the Russian Armed Forces.
  32. Quantum
    Quantum 20 March 2014 11: 17
    +2
    The combined potential of NATO and the United States is great, but they are afraid, they know that
    Russians cannot be defeated. Yes and Perimeter (Dead Hand) program perfection,
    for them - STOP! Possible, only the 1st World Economic War, but
    the results are unpredictable for them. Russia, and not so sustained in its
    stories. Behind us - Victory!
  33. Vyacheslav73
    Vyacheslav73 20 March 2014 11: 24
    0
    Quote: W1950
    So it is true, but we must not forget that the Americans love to rake the heat with the wrong hands and, quite in their spirit, push Russia and Western Europe against their foreheads.


    I think that with China too! First they quarreled with Ukraine, then they will play off with someone else from the former "Soviet" and will cover themselves with Europe ... Well, the next task is to push against China and bark from the side, nudging both sides .. But what is unambiguous is that their time has come to an end ... Now wait, s..ki, we will definitely take revenge ... Glory to Russia !!!
  34. Free Island
    Free Island 20 March 2014 11: 29
    0
    Well, about the war and its possibility or impossibility, everything is understandable ... I was attracted by something else in the text .... Aircraft carrier Jora Buschev .... there is such an old saying - As you call a boat, it’ll float .... I smell I, this Joe Bushev will not swim)) oh will not swim)))
  35. orsker
    orsker 20 March 2014 11: 33
    0
    Do they need it?
  36. uzer 13
    uzer 13 20 March 2014 12: 24
    0
    Yesterday, at a summit in Japan, a decision was made to expand cooperation. So, everyone is still crazy. US sanctions do not matter much. There is no military cooperation anyway, but you can do without Bush’s legs. You need to do folding currencies in dollars and stick them snout in own. (or excrement)
  37. stoqn477
    stoqn477 20 March 2014 13: 14
    -1
    World War III does not require anyone.
  38. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 20 March 2014 13: 14
    0
    I think Europe will soon understand that it has a future only with Russia. Americans are a different continent. In general, if we are friends, we and they will have progress and security that the Yankees can and not what they have, we also have it, plus the world's population. she clearly understands who is right and who is wrong, but Syria needs to be helped with anti-aircraft missile weapons, and as soldiers they showed themselves on the good side, so if they want to carry out a ground-based US, I think 200 more will be more than in Iraq.
  39. PATRIOT 13
    PATRIOT 13 20 March 2014 14: 13
    -1
    HOW MUCH ROPE DOES NOT HAVE .. WAR IS INEVITABLE .. THE BANKERS HAVE NO CHOICE .. THE LAST SEAL OF TRUTH ON THE SHARIK-RUSSIA .. AND THEY WILL DO EVERYTHING TO COME TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE INTENTION OF THE WORLD OF THE WORLD. THEY JUST DO NOT NEED ALL THESE NOZZLES ABOUT SHIT, THE ECONOMY, WILL NOT LEAD TO ANYTHING .. HUMANITY IS IN THE TRAP OF ITS OWN CHOICE, MADE MANY THOUSANDS OF YEARS ABOUT THE ECONOMY ... CONSTANTLY GRANTS TO SELF-LIQUIDATION .. THE MAN ONLY INvents ALL NEW AND NEW CLOTHES ON THE CREEPING SEAMS OF THE APOCALYPSE. THINKING COMES ONLY DURING A PERIOD OF GREAT LOSSES AND OVERSCAPING PAIN ... AND THIS TIME COMES ..
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  40. erg
    erg 20 March 2014 14: 27
    +2
    Yesterday I read the book by Anatoly Wasserman "Chronic Commentaries on Russian History". I recommend to read. Much has been written about our relations with the West. And although it was written before the events in Ukraine, much is still relevant today. The book can be downloaded for free on the Internet. I will only cite what is written at the end of the book. Verbatim.
    How you behave and live. You are not afraid of mistakes, you are less likely to make mistakes. Self-confident, kind and generous, as befits a winner, you win more often. On June 22, 1941, Vyacheslav Mikhailovich Molotov finished his midday speech with the words: "Our cause is just, the enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours."
    Confidence in victory helped us in the past and is needed in the future, so I replaced the words classic will be on, that is, always will be.
    Horde Bunchuk from his native land
    threw off the Russian flag.
    From Kalki to Ugra for three centuries we walked
    Victory will be ours.
    Princes tear apart people to shreds
    and turmoil owns minds.
    But Minin and Pozharsky said: "Forward!
    Victory will come for us! "
    Russian hand burned in Moscow
    reserves, palaces, even temples.
    Take the cudgel of the people's war
    Victory will be ours.
    The Nazis reached the walls of Stalingrad.
    Fights even between floors.
    But remember, for us there is no land beyond the Volga
    Victory will be ours.
    The incompetent ruler ruined the country.
    The people were cut out by borders.
    But we hear the farewell of the fathers' graves
    Victory will be ours.
    Free people ready to defend themselves
    because we long for peace with hearts.
    Now and forever and ever
    Victory will be ours.
  41. erg
    erg 20 March 2014 14: 31
    +8
    And I’ll add a bit of humor. Found today on the INOSMI website, in the comments to the article about possible sanctions against Russia. All the same, we have a cheerful people.
    I see mountains and valleys, I see rivers and fields - This is a Russian freedom, this is my homeland! I see Prague and Warsaw, Budapest and Bucharest - This is a Russian power - How many favorite places are here !!! I see the pagodas of Sri Lanka and Korea, and China, wherever I go in the tank - everywhere my favorite land! I see the Amazon river, I see crocodiles - This is the Russian side, this is my homeland ...
    1. Roman 57 rus
      Roman 57 rus 21 March 2014 04: 16
      0
      I see the crocodiles. This is my Motherland .. ...:) To the Negro tanker? Well, so that I am only for the multiracial nature of the Russian Nation! :)
  42. xomaNN
    xomaNN 20 March 2014 15: 39
    +1
    NATO warriors realize that even with limited clashes (theoretically winked ) the troops of the Russian Federation and NATO will inevitably lose soldiers, which are much more sensitive to the West. It’s not the toothless Libya and Afghanistan with Iraq wink And the nuclear club is ready ...
  43. Eugene
    Eugene 20 March 2014 16: 37
    +1
    Urgent news) Thanks to the "Ukrainian Truth" it became known to the whole world - Ukraine has a real combat fleet, well, like a fleet ... a ship)

    The flagship of the Ukrainian Navy, the Hetman Sagaidachny frigate, left Odessa to carry out combat missions in Ukrainian territorial waters.
    The frigate left the port of Odessa on March 14 and arrived to a specific area Black Sea.
    There he discovered four warships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet and two Mi-35 fire support helicopters. Russians tried to cross sea ​​border of Ukraine.
    The commander of the Sagaidachny, Captain XNUMXst Rank Roman Pyatnitsky entered into negotiations with the violators and demanded that they leave the territorial waters of the country, but the enemy did not change course and continued to move towards Ukraine.
    In this regard, the combat fright was declared on the Ukrainian frigate, the ship became close to Russian units. As a result, the Russians retreated into neutral waters.
    Currently, the frigate continues to patrol the Ukrainian border.


    Original article http://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2014/03/20/7019693/

    Why is everything so in Ukraine - either the planes take off from certain airfields, then the ships patrol certain areas. In addition, one frigate, although "Sagaidachiy" was laid down as a patrol, drove as many as four ships and two MI-35 helicopters - it would have to accompany the US aircraft carrier groups)

    And yet, what is the Mi-35 doing on the high seas - like our ships carry the KA-27, maybe I'm wrong, experts tell me?
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 20 March 2014 17: 26
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      Quote: Eugene
      And yet, what is the Mi-35 doing on the high seas - like our ships carry KA-27

      The one who wrote the article, except for the Mi-35, knows no other Russian helicopters.
  44. washi
    washi 20 March 2014 16: 44
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    I read the comments. Everyone is afraid to attack us.
    And let's imagine: The right sector crossed the border and settled in Belgorod and started shooting.
    Or the shooting of rallies began (in support of separation from Kiev) in Donetsk or Kharkov
    Our actions?
    Send troops? Given that the majority, even in Kiev, already consider us to be invaders.
    From the west, NATO troops will enter their troops.
    What are your suggestions?
    Or maybe GDP is wiser than a bunch of youngsters who, with pseudo-patriotic slogans, in the style of Zhirinovsky, are trying to earn points?
    1. oldstaryi
      oldstaryi 20 March 2014 23: 01
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      Destroy in Belgorod in 3 days. There is already an operational plan for troop deployment. Strikes from three directions: south, east, north. We will take Kiev in a day, and then all on the list and for nothing! soldier
    2. Bear
      Bear 20 March 2014 23: 36
      0
      Quote: Vasya
      I read the comments. Everyone is afraid to attack us.
      And let's imagine: The right sector crossed the border and settled in Belgorod and started shooting.

      If the right sector crosses the border, it will remain there, this is all nonsense. I am more worried about the situation when regular Ukrainian troops, well, let their remnants, cross Perekop and begin to establish "constitutional order" in Crimea, clearing Crimea from "armed bandit formations" and "foreign invaders." Naturally, we will be forced to slap them in the ... face. It is here that the Westerners will howl loudly, remembering Chechnya and other things. And the internal Russian so-called. The "opposition" will go all-in, wildly hysteria about the "bloody regime", organizing rallies of thousands, fortunately there are enough fools in Moscow for this. Further - according to the Maidan scenario, the seizure of regional administrations, provocations, the build-up of hysteria, the collapse of shamanic incantations on the theme of "the suffering of the brotherly people", which "oppresses the tyrant and the satrap", downpours of lies, in some places and blood will spill, but how without it?
      This is a bad scenario. Bad from an imperial point of view. Now good. Also from the imperial point of view. If the Americans prefer to fight with the hands of mercenaries, why are there reasons to think that Russia does not have this? I am inclined to think that those very “polite people in camouflage without identification marks” really had nothing to do with the Russian regular troops. Judging by how professionally they behaved, having ensured the capture of Crimea without a single shot, and without a single victim - these are not regular troops. With all due respect to the Russian army, it is still very far from such professionalism, although the lessons of Chechnya must have been fully taken into account. I think that it is not difficult to find money in Russia to have several really combat-ready special-purpose mercenary units, just for such quick and bloodless operations. Keeping all this a secret is also quite real. As well as ensuring the anonymity of these "young people". Not without reason did they go all the time wearing masks? This operation was obviously prepared for a long time, it is so well designed and implemented, waiting for an opportunity. That is why the whole Western world was completely at a loss, as if in the early morning the clerks had found Russian tanks and troops at their Wall Street offices. That is why such an uncoordinated "response". But guys, we need to understand, this is just the beginning. Today, America’s reputation as the leader of the world gang has been put on strike. And to think that she would give her up without a fight, at least naively. As they say, America killed and for much less misconduct.
      Thus, a bunch of clones “in” Ukraine today are struggling to provoke a new world war, although today it seems like fantasies. Believe me, the Russian inhabitants in 1913 the massacre of the First World War, the revolution, the civil war, rivers of blood and mountains of corpses would also have seemed crazy nonsense.
      In other words, I’ll go dig and grease a machine gun. Joke.
  45. 52
    52 20 March 2014 18: 06
    +1
    Quote: Evgeny_Lev
    Bateson believed that "double firmware" leads to schizophrenia. Say, an objective perception of reality tells you that the opposition is a bunch of mediocrity and degenerates, but at the same time, your beliefs (and they are exactly yours? Can they be imposed on you by propaganda?) Tell you that they still need to be supported, or public expectations from society, friends, acquaintances and associates forbid you to doubt the goodness of the opposition. And so, on the contradiction between reality and its “generally accepted” or “permissible” interpretation, schizophrenia arises.

    Tried to overpower Bateson, but hard to read. Although logical schizophrenia came in understanding the examples. I agree completely.
  46. Leshka
    Leshka 20 March 2014 18: 53
    0
    let them just climb right on the neck angry
  47. Dezinto
    Dezinto 20 March 2014 18: 58
    +3
    Ms. Power’s behavior at the UN is a clear demonstration of the state of affairs of the United States, both in foreign and domestic politics. They’re just fighting in hysterics.
  48. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 20 March 2014 19: 21
    0
    Let the banana suck before you try to eat it.
  49. Donskoi
    Donskoi 20 March 2014 19: 48
    0
    Quote: Zapasnoy
    Here are the first bells - On the official website of the Atlantic Council of the USA, it is noted that the Rapid Trident-2014 exercises will be held in the Lviv region, near the Polish border and set the goal of “ensuring regional stability and security, improving interaction between the US Army, the Ukrainian ground forces and other NATO countries. " Most of the participants in the exercises are US troops, ITAR-TASS reports with reference to the Guardian.

    I have a question: who or what will represent the Ukrainian side at these exercises? Anything that could move was dragged to the southeastern border. Well, I would like to look at this gallant army without a "journalistic lens" laughing
    1. Dobrynya72
      Dobrynya72 21 March 2014 03: 07
      -1
      I have always been against NATO, but after such annexation of the Crimea ..... Let’s pray that people don’t take up arms (even in thoughts), otherwise the Pentagon would be too lazy to raise toasts, for how we are “friends” with each other, for some reason, the words of Truman were recalled (only instead of Germans, Ukrainians). That's what they want and you do.
  50. Dezinto
    Dezinto 20 March 2014 21: 45
    +4
    They are straightforward.