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The future of the Black Sea Fleet in the light of recent events

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Recent events around Crimea have and will have a lot of consequences of a different nature. The accession of the Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol to the Russian Federation, among other things, should affect the further fate of the Black Sea fleet. According to the Interfax news agency, the navy command intends to review the existing development plans of this operational-strategic association.




The Interfax source at the Navy Headquarters stated that the existing plans for the development of the Black Sea Fleet in connection with the latest events were suddenly outdated because they were created taking into account the realities of the recent past. The new situation in the region requires an urgent review of existing plans and make the necessary adjustments to them. All such work will be carried out in the near future.

According to the source agency Interfax, over the next few years, the appearance of the oldest Russian fleet will undergo major changes. The development of the Black Sea Fleet, despite its importance, has in recent years been essentially restrained by certain political factors. The absence of such barriers, in turn, will make it possible to significantly upgrade the Black Sea Fleet and thereby increase its combat capability.

According to the Interfax source at the Navy Headquarters, the modernization of the Black Sea Fleet will continue in the foreseeable future, in which new strategic tasks in its area of ​​responsibility will be taken into account. As for the locations, the main work on the modernization and renovation will be carried out in Sevastopol. It is supposed to improve all available infrastructure. Later it is planned to create a new repair base. Infrastructure construction in Novorossiysk will continue in accordance with current plans.

The increased attention of the Navy command to Sevastopol is understandable. Over the past three centuries, it was Sevastopol that was the main base of the Black Sea Fleet, but the current state of the infrastructure leaves much to be desired. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Sevastopol infrastructure was relatively extensively used, but never underwent major repairs. Because of this, it is now necessary to repair and update almost all existing facilities, as well as communications and communication routes.

In the context of upgrading the fleet infrastructure, it should also be noted the modernization of other facilities. Apparently, in the near future, numerous works will begin on the renewal of the energy system and civil infrastructure of Sevastopol and surrounding areas.

In Crimea there are several military airfields suitable for use aviation Black Sea Fleet. Two of them (Kacha and Gvardeiskoye) were until recently rented by Russia and since 2011 belong to the same air base. Over the past decades, the domestic military department has not been able to devote sufficient attention to these facilities, which is why they need to be repaired and updated. In the future, similar work can begin at other Crimean airfields, previously operated by the Ukrainian armed forces.

In the coming years, the Black Sea Fleet should receive several new ships and submarines. So, Kaliningrad shipbuilding plant “Yantar” should build six frigates of the project 11356Р. The lead ship "Admiral Grigorovich" was launched a few days ago, the other four frigates are at different stages of construction. Bookmark of the sixth frigate of the new type is planned for 2014 year. All six frigates of the new project should be transferred to the Black Sea Fleet before 2016-17.

According to reports, in the future, the Black Sea Fleet should receive another new frigate, but it is being built according to another project. The first serial ship of the 22350 project “Admiral of the Kasaton fleet” is supposed to be transferred to the Black Sea Fleet.

The shipyard Admiralty Shipyards (St. Petersburg) has already received an order for the construction of six new diesel-electric submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka project. The new diesel-electric submarines are designed for the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy. Currently, there is only one submarine in the Black Sea fleet, the B-871 "Alrosa" of the 877В "Halibus" project. Thus, new submarines will be able to significantly increase the potential of the submarine forces of the Black Sea Fleet.

The existing plans for the construction of new ships and submarines may not be sufficient to meet the requirements of the new time. For example, now Russia will have to perform the tasks of protecting the new border, which was previously monitored by Ukrainian structures. For this, among other things, will have to increase the grouping of ships and boats of the border service. In addition, you may need to strengthen the Black Sea Fleet at the expense of small ships and boats for various purposes.

From the words of the source agency Interfax in the General Staff of the Navy, it follows that the command of the fleet is only the beginning of work on studying the new situation in the Black Sea and has not yet developed new plans. Apparently, by now only general decisions concerning the main area of ​​work are ready. The main task in the context of the development of the Black Sea Fleet in the near future will be the renovation of the existing infrastructure. When the planned work will begin is not completely clear. Nevertheless, we can already say with confidence that over the next few years, the Russian Black Sea Fleet will be able to significantly increase its combat capability and obtain new opportunities corresponding to the new strategic objectives.


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http://rus.ruvr.ru/
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  1. malikszh
    malikszh 20 March 2014 08: 04
    +2
    The guys at the Black Sea Fleet will still have the ships confiscated by the Ukrainian Navy, among the confiscated there is one submarine.
    1. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 20 March 2014 08: 18
      +23
      To be honest, the Ukrainian Navy ships blocked in Donuzlav is a dubious acquisition in terms of combat strength, especially the diesel-electric submarine "Zaporozhye" which is suitable for use only as a museum exhibit.
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 20 March 2014 12: 14
        +7
        Only as scrap metal for processing on razor blades. stop
        1. RUSLAN39
          RUSLAN39 20 March 2014 16: 53
          +3
          The remaining border boats will be suitable for patrolling, and the rest of the ships will not be superfluous - everything will come in handy on the farm.
        2. borissolopin
          borissolopin 21 March 2014 14: 35
          +1
          For their own national pride and swims with friends from NATO, they kept a couple of ships in pretty good condition. Sahaidachny is the most tasty morsel, but Ternopil and Donbass and Slavutych and Olshansky are pretty good. The same "Zaporozhye" was modernized in 2011-2012, and although it is an ancient trough, you can squeeze something out of it, at least for educational purposes! A number of ships are equipped with communications equipment and complexes of NATO standards, it will be interesting for us to delve into them.
      2. jjj
        jjj 20 March 2014 18: 07
        +9
        And the thread came back
        1. borissolopin
          borissolopin 21 March 2014 14: 36
          0
          Now we have 2 Threads, and God himself ordered the construction of aircraft carriers to begin!
      3. PLO
        PLO 20 March 2014 18: 34
        +1
        Of the useful ships there are only MPK Ternopil and BDK Olshansky.
        they are likely to be commissioned by the Black Sea Fleet
      4. avg
        avg 20 March 2014 23: 22
        +2
        Together with Crimea, Russia acquired several shipbuilding and ship repair plants, which should help in the speedy modernization of the Black Sea Fleet.
  2. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 20 March 2014 08: 09
    +7
    Thanks for the review!
    Yes, now everything has changed somewhat and requires significant adjustments, but it seems to me that it is possible to leave part of the funds previously spent on renting Sevastopol at the disposal of the RF Ministry of Defense with the special purpose to improve the infrastructure of the main naval fleet.
    1. Wellych
      Wellych 20 March 2014 09: 16
      +10
      part of the funds previously spent on rent of Sevastopol

      These are crumbs in comparison with the budget deficit of the whole Crimea, which is likely to increase in the near future, and which Russia will have to cover. However, here accounting I think should recede into the background.
      1. StolzSS
        StolzSS 20 March 2014 21: 02
        +1
        No bookkeeping is just to the fore here, it’s just that it’s necessary to conduct it competently and everything would work out if it were someone to fix it, it seems like they already had a prosecutor))
  3. Berserker
    Berserker 20 March 2014 08: 22
    +22
    Maybe not in the subject but:
    A man woke up in the ward. With prying eyes he looks around. Sees a nurse. Asks:
    - Where I am? What happened with me?
    - You are in the hospital ... You had a terrible accident, you were literally collected in parts. But do not worry, everything is collected, everything is in place. Even the tattoo on h .... "Fields" remained!)
    - What "Fields" ?! It read "Glory to the valiant sailors of the hero city of Sevastopol" !!

    So our Sevastopol will soon "grow back" in spite of the P.I. angry
  4. albert
    albert 20 March 2014 08: 24
    +9
    I wonder what will happen to the NITKA marine aviation complex? After all, we built a new one in the Krasnodar Territory, after Ukraine lifted up the price for its use. Perhaps we hurried to the construction, although who knew that this would happen? recourse
    1. malikszh
      malikszh 20 March 2014 08: 38
      +8
      I do not think that THREAD in Crimea is in good condition.
      1. washi
        washi 20 March 2014 15: 12
        +7
        Quote: malikszh
        I do not think that THREAD in Crimea is in good condition.

        She is no longer needed.
        Most important: We can upgrade and expand our fleet in Sevastopol without asking Kiev.
        And you don’t have to pay rent.
        One rental is enough to turn the Crimea into a sweetie.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 20 March 2014 20: 46
          +3
          Quote: Vasya
          And you don’t have to pay rent.

          According to June 2013 data, Russia paid 97 million dollars for the lease of the naval base of Sevastopol.
          Quote: Vasya
          One rental is enough to turn the Crimea into a sweetie.

          The cost of rent (97mln dollars) is not enough even for the annual budget of Sevastopol, which amounts to 2,0 billion rubles (250! Million dollars). There is no question of Crimea. According to preliminary estimates of the RF Ministry of Finance, about 56 billion rubles will be required. on the organization of normal life of Crimeans.
    2. Rowicz
      Rowicz 20 March 2014 08: 51
      +8
      there will be a rod, in a kulak economy and a bull x..tail rope :)
    3. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 20 March 2014 08: 59
      +13
      "albert" I wonder what will happen to the NITKA naval aviation complex? After all, we built a new one in the Krasnodar Territory, after Ukraine raised the price for its use. Perhaps we rushed with the construction, although who knew that this would happen? "
      One is good, and two is better.))) So now what to break one of them?))) No of course. I think they will find application. And Crimean, though old, will still do. This is a complete complex.
    4. Blad_21617
      Blad_21617 20 March 2014 11: 00
      +3
      I wanted to ask a similar question, ahead of good
    5. Duke
      Duke 20 March 2014 12: 01
      +4
      I wonder what will happen to the NITKA marine aviation complex?

      Two complexes are better than one.
    6. jjj
      jjj 20 March 2014 18: 10
      +2
      Let’s let thread fly India
  5. Quantum
    Quantum 20 March 2014 09: 20
    +6
    Black Sea Fleet of Russia, this is the glory and pride of Russia! Crimea is a giant aircraft carrier,
    change and improvement of the fleet structure, this power of Russia! It’s no coincidence
    The Pentagon has taken a tie from Srakashvili and now, choking them with anger!
    1. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 20 March 2014 10: 07
      +6
      Saakashvili is said to be working at the Shtatovsky Institute. He is also an adviser to some State Department official. So, to see they are all together tie something to live out.
  6. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 20 March 2014 09: 32
    +3
    Pancake would rather brothers shipbuilders let's push !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  7. Ekrov
    Ekrov 20 March 2014 09: 33
    +12
    Talked with the guys who saw this submarine live. They say only on METALLOM !!! There, everything is stolen and inoperative.
    1. Good cat
      Good cat 20 March 2014 10: 07
      +4
      This is rubbish !!!
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 20 March 2014 12: 44
      +5
      I was more impressed with another photo
      1. borissolopin
        borissolopin 21 March 2014 14: 45
        0
        A very old photo, there is a video fresher than 2013 ... but also sad) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y2XmvwJyoE
    3. typhoon7
      typhoon7 20 March 2014 15: 54
      +2
      Inoperative, it is too mildly said, she will soon mummify. laughing
    4. borissolopin
      borissolopin 21 March 2014 14: 40
      0
      But has she been put on the move for so many years with the help of the Russian Navy? Not just for the sake of the parade ?! Just sadness ....
  8. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 20 March 2014 10: 04
    +9
    As for Kasatonov, they were pleasantly surprised, we need at least three more boats. For example, transfer the Black Sea Fleet to St. Petersburg and the next two 677. As for the ships, Lutsk and Ternopol are quite fresh since they were completed after the collapse of the USSR, as far as I understand it, the 1234 mu are very good and necessary boats if you refresh them. There is little information about Vinnitsa. The rest is probably trash. By the way, Lutsk was launched in 1994, and even later Ternopol in 2002 became a part of it.
  9. saag
    saag 20 March 2014 10: 32
    +3
    It’s interesting where the ships will be cut, it’s dangerous to tow — they can sink, were they planning to build a marine plant in Sevastopol for an hour?
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 20 March 2014 20: 59
      +1
      Quote: saag
      where the ships will be cut, it’s dangerous to tow; they can sink,

      No one will convert or tow the hull. I believe that they will cut it on the spot, as in Soviet times, on the drain in the region of Inkerman
  10. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 20 March 2014 10: 41
    +11
    So, now we have on the Black Sea:
    flagship ship-RRC project 1164 "Moscow";

    GRKR "Moskva" on the roadstead of Donuzlav, where it takes part in blocking the ships of the Ukrainian fleet, 06.03.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX
    SKR project 01190 "Sharp-witted";
    SKR project 1135M "Pytlivy".
    BOD project 1134B "Kerch" - is used in Sevastopol as a floating barracks, and also serves as the flagship of the fleet during the period when the "Moskva" GRKR is on military campaigns.
    SKR project 1135 "Ladny" is under repair and will be under repair until the end of this year.
    Those. of 5 ships of 1-2 rank, 3 are combat ready, another is under repair, 1 is not operational.
    Submarine forces:
    B-871 "Alrosa" - is in the OPB in Sevastopol. According to some reports, it is not capable of fighting. If this is true, then we have no submarine forces on the Black Sea!
    Also on the Black Sea Fleet is another diesel-electric submarine B-380 "Hero of Sevastopol Artyom Titarenko" of project 641B "Som". The boat is in the floating dock "PD-16" in the South Bay of Sevastopol, awaiting a decision on its further fate, i.e. completely incapable of combat.
    Those. 1 DEPL.
    MRK-4:
    2 "Calm" and "Mirage" project 12341 "Gadfly-1"
    2 "Bora" and "Samum" hovercraft project 1239 "Sivuch".

    Missile hovercraft "Samum"
    IPC-7:
    6 IPC of the project 1124М;
    1 IPC of the 11451 project.
    Missile boats-5, 4 project 12411T. 12417 R-71 project RCA, armed with the 4 launcher of the P-15 anti-ship missile system, is currently located in the quarantine bay, and it is planned to launch a missile boat at the shipyard at the end of 2013 for reconstruction and modernization.
    Minesweepers - 11 (2 Raid)
    4 of the 266M Aquamarine project;
    2 of the modernized 266ME Aquamarine-ME project;
    2 projects 1265 "Yakhont". One - "Lieutenant Ilyin" in the reserve of the 1st category.
    1 RTSCh of the 1258 project "Malachite-2".
    1 of the 12660 Rubin project. Under repair
    1 RTSCH 12592 "Malachite-2".
    3 anti-sabotage boat project 21980 Rook.
    Airborne Forces Black Sea Fleet: BDK-7
    3 projects 1171. Large landing craft "Saratov" has completed almost ten months of repairs. Large landing craft "Orsk" is either in reserve of the 2nd stage, or 13 shipyards are under repair.
    4 projects 1175. Large landing craft "Caesar Kunnikov" under repair until the end of this year.
    2 landing craft:
    1 landing craft of the project 11770 D-144.
    1 landing craft of the project 1176 D-106.
    Auxiliary fleet forces:
    4 reconnaissance ship: 1 project 864, 3 project 861М.
    1 tanker of project 1559B "Ivan Bubnov" built in 1974.
    Project 3228 tanker "General Ryabikov" built in 1978.
    Project 320A hospital ship "Yenisei" built in 1979 in reserve.
    In total:
    Submarines: 2, taking into account the fully operational B-380 “Hero of Sevastopol Artyom Titarenko”
    Surface ships: 44
    The average fleet age at 2013 year is 26 years.
    The total missile salvo is 68 missiles (16 P-1000 Vulkan with the Moskva GRKR + 8 X-35 Uranus with the Smetlivy missile launcher + 12 with the P-120 with the pr. 1234+ MRK 16 Mosquitoes with the pr. 1239+ 16 "Mosquitoes" with RCA pr. 1241), taking into account the R-71 (4 P-15M) -72 RCA being repaired. Thus, the Black Sea Fleet is capable of destroying any fleet in the Black Sea except the Turkish one, and inflicting losses on the latter.
    1. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 20 March 2014 11: 01
      +9
      Development prospects:
      Prior to 2016, the Black Sea Fleet must transfer:
      6 frigates of the 11356 project,
      1 frigate 22350,
      1 corvette of project 20385 "Provorny", laid down on 25.07.2013, to be delivered to the fleet in 2016;
      6 DEPL project 636.3,
      2 PrDKa project 21980 "Grachonok".
      Of which diesel-electric submarines "Novorossiysk" of project 636.3 are expected this year, laid down on 20.08.2010/28.11.2013/XNUMX, launched on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, at the end of June this year.

      Diesel-electric submarine B-261 Novorossiik on 20.2.2014, next to a similar Vietnamese diesel-electric submarine "Ho Chi Minh City"


      Also this year, the Black Sea Fleet plans to transfer: the Rostov-on-Don diesel-electric submarine, laid down on 21.11.2011/17.08.2012/2014, launching presumably in May, and the Stary Oskol diesel-electric submarine, laid down on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, launching presumably in June XNUMX, delivery to the fleet in November, which is unlikely.
      From surface ships: Project 11356 frigate "Admiral Grigorovich", laid down on December 18.12.2010, 8, launching presumably today, which is in a high degree of readiness, and in the fall it is planned to begin mooring tests; similar frigates "Admiral Essen", laid down on July 2011, 29, on which the bow block and the rear of the hull are already docked, and the "Admiral Makarov", laid down on February 2012, XNUMX, which, incidentally, is also unlikely.

      frigate "Admiral Grigorovich", on the water, photo taken by Drakon 64 and taken from http://forums.airbase.ru/2002/10/t59529,88--storozhevye-korabli-proekta-11356.ht
      ml
      Also in November of this year, it was planned to hand over to the Black Sea Fleet the frigate of project 22350 "Admiral of the Fleet Kasatonov", laid down on November 26, 2009, which is almost unbelievable, given the deplorable state of affairs with its "sister ship" frigate "Admiral of the Soviet Union Fleet Gorshkov" the AU has not yet been installed and it has not yet entered sea trials and which they plan to transfer to the fleet already in December this year.
      Also, by the fall, the Black Sea Fleet is planning to transfer 2 PrDKs of project 21980 "Grachonok", which will increase the number of boats of this project in the fleet to 5.
      Thus, at the output we have: 1 DEPL of the 636.3 project, we hope for 2; 1 frigate of the 11356 project, we also hope for 2 and 2
      1. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 20 March 2014 11: 24
        +9
        To the question of the Urainsky fleet:
        Currently, the naval staff of the Ukrainian Navy is blocked in three bays of the Crimea.
        1. Sevastopol (Northern) Bay:
        - Corvette "Ternopil" U209
        - Control ship "Slavutich" U510
        - Sea tug "Korets" U830
        - Tug "Krasnoperekopsk" U947
        2. Streletskaya bay of Sevastopol:
        - Submarine "Zaporozhye" U01
        - Priluki U153 Missile Boat
        - Rocket corvette "Dnieper" U155
        - Corvette "Lutsk" U205
        - Corvette "Khmelnitsky" U208
        - Ship management "Donbass" U500
        - Hydrographic boat "Skvira" U635
        - Rescue tug "Kremenets" U705
        - Search and rescue ship Izyaslav U706
        - Transport Dzhankoy U754
        - Transport Sudak U756
        - Tanker Bakhmach U759
        - Tanker Fastov U760
        - Ship degaussing Balta U811
        - Ship control physical fields Severodonetsk U812
        - Kilektorny ship "Shostka" U852
        - Plavsklad "Zolotonosha" U855
        - Tug "Dubno" U953
        - Waste collection vessel U954
        - Boat "Chigirin" U540
        - Training boat "Smila" U541
        - Training boat "New Kakhovka" U542
        - Fire boat "Borschiv" U722
        - Diving boat "Romny" U732
        - Diving boat "Tokmak" U733
        - Sanitary boat Sokal U782
        - Passenger boat "Illichivsk" U783
        - Plavkran "Kalanchak" U802
        - Boat "Korosten" U853
        - Boat U926 (SBU)
        3.New Lakes (Lake Donuzlav)
        - Corvette "Vinnitsa" U206
        - Sea minesweeper "Chernigov" U310
        - Sea minesweeper "Cherkasy" U311
        - Raid minesweeper "Genichesk" U360
        - Medium landing ship "Kirovograd" U401
        - Large landing ship "Konstantin Olshansky" U402
        - Fire-fighting boat "Evpatoria" U728
        - Transport "Gorlovka" U753
        - Sea tug "Kovel" U831
        - Anti-sabotage boat "Feodosia" U240
        - Torpedo boat "Kherson" U891
        - Tow boat "Novoozernoe" U942
        http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/132306.html#comments

        During 2012 of the year in Nikolaev the ships "Pereyaslav", "Dnieper", "Konstantin Olshansky" and "Kirovograd" were repaired.
        Of these ships, the real combat value are:
        Project 775 large landing craft "Konstantin Olshansky" handed over to the fleet in 1985, and bolted in Donuzlav, incl. and to participate in the Syrian Express, as well as as a temporary replacement for the similar Russian large landing craft "Caesar Kunnikov" being repaired.

        And also the IPC of the 1124M U209 Ternopil project put into operation on February 15 of 2006 of the year, blocked in the Northern Bay of Sevastopol.
        1. Roman 1977
          Roman 1977 20 March 2014 11: 30
          +6
          IPC project 1124-M U205 “Lutsk” put into operation on December 30 1993 of the year, blocked in Streletskaya Bay.

          And also the control ship U150 "Slavutich".

          The IPC of the 1241.2 project (Lightning-2) U208 Khmelnitsky, which went into operation in the 1985 year, was renovated in the 2011 year, and was blocked in Donuzlav, can be of some value.

          And the raktenny boat in Ukrainian terminology "missile corvette" of project 12411T ("Lightning") U155 "Pridniprov'ya", the former P-54, handed over to the fleet in 1982, being repaired, as I wrote above in 2012, blocked in the Northern Bay of Sevastopol, however, the ship's disadvantage is its outdated armament - 4 P-15 anti-ship missiles.

          3 of the minesweeper: 2 of the 266M Aquamarine project U310 Chernigiv and U311 Cherkasy, as well as the raid minesweeper of the 1258 Korund project U360 Genichesk blocked in Donuzlav.
          The average landing ship of the 773 U401 Kirovograd project, the former KFOR-137, was handed over to the fleet in the 1971 year, but was repaired in the 2012 year, so it can transport personnel and military equipment in the Black Sea.

          RCA of the 206 MP U153 Priluki project, the former P-262 built in the 1979 year and equipped with the same outdated P-15M anti-ship missiles, all of our ships of this project have long been put to work with needles, with the exception of the 2 on CFL.
          1. Roman 1977
            Roman 1977 20 March 2014 11: 59
            +5
            It is quite possible that a special-purpose ship of the 1824B Uglomer U512 Pereyaslav project, which went into operation in the 1987 year and was uniquely repaired in the 2012 year, may also have some value.

            All other warships of the Ukrainian fleet can be safely attributed to scrap metal: for example, the PSKR of the 1124P U206 Vinnitsya project, commissioned in 1976, the 11 of November 2007 of the year fell into a storm and received serious damage to the stem, from this moment it is awaiting repair and is listed in reserve at the base in Donuzlav. Repair a ship that is unlikely to be 38 years old.

            About the virtues of the Ukrainian pidvodnoy choven U01 "Zaporizhzhia" modestly keep silent ...

            Not in the best condition and auxiliary ships:

            Now with regards to shipyards. The plant "Fiolent" is located in Feodosia, the former PO "More". The plant is working, so he completed the construction of 2 MDK project 12322 "Zubr" for the Chinese Navy. In addition to these ships, the shipyard currently houses 2 MPK project 11451, serial numbers 503 and 504 "Lugansk" (formerly MPK-231) and "Lvov" (last building of project 11451). The ships are in a sufficiently high degree of readiness, which will increase the number of the IPC of the project at the World Cup to 3.

            MPK project 11451 "Lugansk" (formerly MPK-231)


            MPK project 11451 "Lviv"
            1. Roman 1977
              Roman 1977 20 March 2014 12: 36
              +3
              So, the expected composition of the Black Sea Fleet at the end of the 2014 year, according to my pessimistic estimates, taking into account the newly built and former Ukrainian ships:
              flagship ship-RRC project 1164 "Moscow";
              frigate of project 11356 "Admiral Grigorovich"
              SKR project 01190 "Sharp-witted";
              SKR project 1135M "Pytlivy";
              SKR project 1135 "Ladny".
              BOD project 1134B "Kerch" - it is unlikely that it will be put for repairs, at least I have not yet heard such plans, and the Koralik is already elderly - built in 1974. Most likely, or will be left to live out their life as a floating barracks or "on pins and needles"
              Total: 5 battle-worthy ships of 1-2 rank, 1 battleless (?).
              Submarine forces:
              B-871 "Alrosa" project 877
              B-261 "Novorossiysk" project 636.3
              Diesel-electric submarine B-380 "Hero of Sevastopol Artyom Titarenko" of project 641B "Som" is completely incapable of combat, either on needles or as a charging station, I think the same fate awaits "Zaporozhye", which, however, can be used as a training one.
              Total: 2 diesel-electric submarines, with Zaporozhye, if they leave it - 3
              MRK-4:
              2 "Calm" and "Mirage" project 12341 "Gadfly-1"
              2 "Bora" and "Samum" hovercraft project 1239 "Sivuch".
              MPK- 9-10 + 3 of former Ukrainian: 2 of the 1124M project, the former U205 “Lutsk” and U209 “Ternopil” and U209 “Ternopil” -exactly; project 1241.2 ("Lightning-2") former U208 "Khmelnitsky" - presumably
              8 IPC of the project 1124М;
              1 IPC of the 1241.2 project ("Lightning-2") - presumably
              1 IPC of the 11451 project.
              Missile boats-5-7, 4 project 12411T. 12417 R-71 project RCA, armed with the 4 launcher of the P-15 anti-ship missile system, is currently located in the quarantine bay, and it is planned to launch a missile boat at the shipyard at the end of 2013 for reconstruction and modernization. 7 if the fleet includes the RCA of the 12411T project (Lightning) former U155 Pridniprov'ya and the RCA of the 206 MR project former U153 Priluki, I wrote about their shortcomings above.
              Minesweepers - 14 (3 raids): 11 + 3 of former Ukrainian
              6 of the 266M Aquamarine project + 2 former Ukrainian U310 Chernigiv and U311 Cherkasy
              2 of the modernized 266ME Aquamarine-ME project;
              2 projects 1265 "Yakhont". One - "Lieutenant Ilyin" in the reserve of the 1st category.
              2 RTSCh of the 1258 project "Malachite-2" + raid minesweeper of the 1258 project "Korund" U360 "Genichesk".
              1 of the 12660 Rubin project. Under repair
              1 RTSCH 12592 "Malachite-2".
              5 anti-sabotage boats of the 21980 Rook project.
              Airborne Forces Black Sea Fleet: BDK-8
              3 projects 1171. Large landing craft "Saratov" has completed almost ten months of repairs. Large landing craft "Orsk" is either in reserve of the 2nd stage, or 13 shipyards are under repair.
              5 project 1175+ former U402, large landing craft "Konstantin Olshansky" (exactly).
              1 KFOR of the 773 project, former U401 Kirovograd (possible)
              2 landing craft:
              1 landing craft of the project 11770 D-144.
              1 landing craft of the project 1176 D-106.
              Auxiliary fleet forces:
              4 reconnaissance ship: 1 project 864, 3 project 861М.
              1 tanker of project 1559V "Ivan Bubnov"
              Tanker project 3228 "General Ryabikov"
              1 Project 1288.4 command ship, former U510 Slavutich (exact)
              1 special-purpose ship of the 1824Б project “Uglomer”, former U512 “Pereyaslav” (very possible)
              Project 320A hospital ship "Yenisei" built in 1979 in reserve.
              1. Roman 1977
                Roman 1977 20 March 2014 12: 46
                +3
                In total:
                Submarines: 2, taking into account the completely incapacitated B-380 "Hero of Sevastopol Artyom Titarenko" and the former "Zaporozhye", even 4.

                636.3 submarine
                Surface ships: 59 + 15 former Ukrainian
                The average fleet age at 2014 year is increasing sharply
                The total missile salvo is 76 missiles (16 P-1000 Vulcan with the Moskva GRKR + 8 NK Caliber from the frigate Admiral Grigorovich + 8 X-35 Uranus with the Smetlivy ICR + 12 with the P-120 with MRK Project 1234+ 16 Mosquitoes with MRK Project 1239+ 16 Mosquitoes with RCA Project 1241), taking into account the repaired RCA R-71 (4 P-15M) and the former Ukrainian U155 Pridniprov'ya (project 12411T - 4 P-15M) and U153 "Priluki" (project 206MR-2 P-15M) -86.

                the alleged appearance of the frigate of project 11356 "Admiral Grigorovich"
                Thus, we can conclude that the addition of the former ships of the Ukrainian Navy does not provide a qualitative increase in the Black Sea Fleet, but only a quantitative one. The capabilities of the fleet in the field of anti-aircraft missile defense (due to 2 corvettes of project 1124M), in the field of combating mines, as well as in the possibility of carrying out amphibious operations and transporting manpower and equipment (due to the large landing ship of project 775) will slightly increase. The capabilities of the fleet in the fight against enemy ships will increase insignificantly, since both Ukrainian ships with anti-ship missiles are armed with anti-ship missiles P-15M, developed in the mid-50s of the XX century, capable of being used only on ships with outdated air defense (in theater operations in Romanian: EI Marasesti ", frigates" Brodsward "and corvettes" Tetal "), in the absence of electronic interference.
                1. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 20 March 2014 21: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: Novel 1977
                  the joining of the former ships of the Ukrainian Navy does not give a qualitative increase in the Black Sea Fleet, but only a quantitative one.

                  Good evening, Roman. I have not heard something about the decision of our leadership to internment Ukrainian ships. But this is a political step, which "does not give a qualitative increase in the Black Sea Fleet, but only a quantitative one," but can only demonize Russia in the eyes of the West and aggravate relations with Ukraine.
                  Therefore, one should not take into account the Black Sea Fleet Ukrainian ships.
  11. Per se.
    Per se. 20 March 2014 10: 50
    +4
    It would be ideal to return the Nikolaev shipyards to Russia, but we have rivers, river ship repair and shipbuilding plants, this will help the entire fleet, and the Black Sea in particular, especially if we fully master the sectional assembly. During World War II, the Germans mainly fought on the Black Sea with aviation and their small fleet, which was mainly airlifted overland and assembled. Probably, it is necessary to qualitatively reconsider the role of the marines for the Black Sea, our influence in the Mediterranean. We are waiting for boats in an air-independent installation, but we could build them with a place reserved for them, technically providing for such modernization on the built ones. Perhaps this is what the Chinese did when their "largest" diesel-electric boat appeared. In any case, the insertion of sections with VNEU has already been carried out on boats. The topic of high-precision weapons at sea, their carriers, for the Black Sea is especially relevant for the Amur-class boats, which would be very useful with their missiles in the Black and Mediterranean Seas.
  12. uzer 13
    uzer 13 20 March 2014 11: 03
    +3
    There are no more obstacles for the quantitative and qualitative expansion of the possibilities of the Black Sea Fleet. It is only a matter of financing. If the budget manages to find funds, but they still have to be allocated to protect new borders, then things will go more fun.
  13. Fitter65
    Fitter65 20 March 2014 11: 23
    +1
    And also the NITKA complex, and a lot of other things that will have to be restored from the ruined heritage of the USSR. Well, after all, there is an example- 70 years ago our grandfathers liberated Crimea, then restored. So, we are following the path of heroic ancestors!
  14. Russ69
    Russ69 20 March 2014 11: 39
    +5
    Do not forget that a couple of shipbuilding factories in the Crimea. we received, it would be financing and re-equipment of the Black Sea Fleet, can be accelerated.
  15. Cristall
    Cristall 20 March 2014 11: 49
    -7
    I remain of the opinion that it is impossible to confiscate the property of the Navy fleet. It doesn't fit in my head. First, the blockade, then the transition and confiscation? Where is the commission for leaving the Navy from the Crimea (let them go anywhere but there is no moral right to detain them, I’m not talking about the legal opinion that blockade is more than just blockade - you cannot act in such a delicate case with impudence and arrogance)
    Let go of all the ships, let the Ukrainians see that all honor is an honor.
    1. alex56
      alex56 20 March 2014 12: 11
      +5
      Then maybe Ukraine will let go of "Ukraine"?
      Or maybe the news is southeast in the forecourt?
    2. kostiknet
      kostiknet 20 March 2014 13: 05
      +7
      Russia cannot unilaterally observe International Law in a situation where the "entire civilized world" spits on this right from the "high bell tower" and does what it wants. In our history, there have been numerous examples of compliance with any conventions, norms and rules of the International Community, as a result of which Russia only lost. It's time to remember that Russia has its INTERESTS. And if in order to comply with these INTERESTS it is necessary to take something away from someone, or "hang someone on snot", then this is the way to do it !!! After all, "the entire civilized world" does just that. And then they took the fashion, all and sundry are telling - Russia cannot do that, Russia can not do this ... If you NEED - then POSSIBLE !!! And to our "partners" - "whatever does not like whom, let him kiss the stern (who wrote this verse) - the author will not condemn them ... wink
    3. malikszh
      malikszh 20 March 2014 13: 11
      +5
      This is the division of the Ukrainian fleet between Crimea and Ukraine as it was during the collapse of the USSR.
    4. alex80
      alex80 20 March 2014 14: 26
      +3
      Ukrainians have already released 50 of our KAMAZ trucks negative
      1. washi
        washi 20 March 2014 15: 34
        +4
        Quote: alex80
        Ukrainians have already released 50 of our KAMAZ trucks negative

        This is not ours.
        This is Kazakh Kamaz
    5. washi
      washi 20 March 2014 15: 36
      +3
      Quote: Cristall
      I remain of the opinion that it is impossible to confiscate the property of the Navy fleet. It doesn't fit in my head. First, the blockade, then the transition and confiscation? Where is the commission for leaving the Navy from the Crimea (let them go anywhere but there is no moral right to detain them, I’m not talking about the legal opinion that blockade is more than just blockade - you cannot act in such a delicate case with impudence and arrogance)
      Let go of all the ships, let the Ukrainians see that all honor is an honor.

      I agree.
      These ships they got during the division of the fleet.
      Let them take it.
      We do not need this broomstick.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 20 March 2014 22: 04
        +1
        Quote: Vasya
        These ships they got during the division of the fleet.
        Let them take it. We do not need this broomstick.

        The point is different. A ship under the flag of the country is part of the sovereign territory of the country of the flag. Capturing a ship is an encroachment on the territory of the flag country.
        Crimea voluntarily, on the basis of a referendum, in compliance with all the formalities of Mr. Law, came under the hands of Russia. And then the stench is more than at the cattle cemetery. Do we want to give our enemies arguments for accusations of violation of INTERNATIONAL LAW? And thereby become wrong? As long as the truth (and moral strength!) Is on our side. Having made the internment of "scrap metal" from the Ukrainian Navy, we will lose the moral and legal right to our impeccable (in legal terms) mn position. The passage of the ship can be accomplished if the crew overthrows the commander (or the commander himself takes such a step) and goes over to the other side, raising the appropriate flag. An example is the battleship Potemkin. There is no such thing yet.
        I think the Russian diplomats and our leadership are high professionals and will not take the cheap. IMHO.
    6. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 21 March 2014 01: 47
      0
      These ships were built by the Soviet Union. That is, Russia, to be more precise, so that it is possible to give up only Zaparozhye, well, whatever is on the move, let them put up scrap metal, although it’s a pity. It’s dangerous to morons to trust weapons, though outdated. And send as much nasty things to the Russian fleet the aircraft carriers continued to cut it like a scrap. I agreed that Russia hadn’t begun to buy them back, but why Russia built at its own expense and should have bought it at the time of the collapse of the USSR. Now they would have finished building money, only they would get rid of them. and knock on her oars.
  16. Seamaster
    Seamaster 20 March 2014 12: 12
    +3
    As far as I know, earlier the problem of understaffing the naval fleet of the Black Sea Fleet was not only a lack of ships, but also a ban on the Ukrainian side.
    Now URGENT (if necessary) to reinforce the composition of the fleet is possible by transferring ships along the Volga-Don canal from the Caspian. There are very modern small ships.
    At the shipyard of Nikolaev and Kherson you can not count.
    In Nikolaev they are completely technically ruined, and in Kherson 20 tankers of deadweight of 2 thousand tons each (bunker tankers) for some Russian oligarch were built.
    But the shipyard in Kerch was urgently needed to restore, it is still breathing. By the way, the largest ships in the USSR were built on it - tankers of the "Crimea" type with a deadweight of 150 thousand tons.
    The factory in Feodosia, too, has not yet completely died. Can build hovercraft.
    So, first you need to "digest" Crimea, and then help non-brothers Ukrainians to survive.
  17. Lelek
    Lelek 20 March 2014 12: 34
    +7
    In 1953 he entered the 3rd VVMIUPP (Holland Bay). We, the cadets, restored the school building on our own. Black Sea Fleet was one of the best in the world. In 1954, Khrushchev transferred Crimea to Ukraine - and away we go. There are already 3 VVMIUPPs, no more powerful complex in Balaklava, no complexes in Vesyoloy, no Artek and a children's sanatorium in Saki .... Everything has been plundered, ruined for 60 years of the rule of the Ukrainian rulers. Now it will take a lot of effort and resources of Russia and the Crimea to bring everything in order. But we will do it. And don't give a damn about all the utter clicks. VIVAT RUSSIA !!! good
    1. I think so
      I think so 20 March 2014 13: 32
      -14%
      Do not weave nonsense repeating liberal nonsense about Khrushchev ... Selling or simply giving Crimea to Ukraine drunk Yeltsin ... When signing the collapse of the USSR in Viskuli Kravchuk asked the drunk, "What are we going to do with the Crimea?", To which the drunk said - "Oh, take ! ". And when the liberoid thieves sober up and woke up, then they came up with a bike for not very smart Russians - they say the Crimea was "presented by Khrushchev" ... And even Putin now DOESN'T WANT TO DISCOVER THIS MYTH. And this means that then, during the time of the thief and the drunk, Russia lost not only Crimea, but also VERY and VERY MUCH! And they are still trying to hide all this from the Russian people ... Putin from the same team, no matter how they praise him now, and behind their darling they still have a lot of dark deeds, then optyapanny and hidden from the Russians ...
      1. washi
        washi 20 March 2014 15: 32
        +3
        Quote: I think so
        Putin from the same team, no matter how much they praise him now, and behind the darling, they still have a lot of dark affairs that were then hurt and hidden from the Russians ...

        You did not listen well to the speech of the GDP.
      2. Slavapom
        Slavapom 20 March 2014 20: 03
        +1
        I think so - Learn the mat. part, or you are talking nonsense just for a start, take any history textbook until 1991 of the year. Or in extreme cases, a link to a source in the studio.
  18. w2000
    w2000 20 March 2014 12: 49
    +12
    Do not forget that in Crimea there are almost a dozen military airfields, on which in Soviet times the darkness of naval and long-range aircraft was based. With the current range even of front-line aviation, all of the Black and even part of the Mediterranean Sea can be controlled by aviation from air bases in Crimea. In 5-10 years, 2-3 fighter regiments and 3-4 shock regiments + submarine submarines and submarines, plus coastal anti-aircraft missile systems and in the Black Sea can be sunk anything from the air without fleet withdrawing from Sevastopol at all. The Black Sea Fleet is needed primarily as a base for an operational squadron in the Mediterranean.
    1. washi
      washi 20 March 2014 15: 30
      +2
      Quote: w2000
      Do not forget that in Crimea there are almost a dozen military airfields, on which in Soviet times the darkness of naval and long-range aircraft was based. With the current range even of front-line aviation, all of the Black and even part of the Mediterranean Sea can be controlled by aviation from air bases in Crimea. In 5-10 years, 2-3 fighter regiments and 3-4 shock regiments + submarine submarines and submarines, plus coastal anti-aircraft missile systems and in the Black Sea can be sunk anything from the air without fleet withdrawing from Sevastopol at all. The Black Sea Fleet is needed primarily as a base for an operational squadron in the Mediterranean.

      I agree, but where so many planes and pilots to get?
  19. gorozhanin
    gorozhanin 20 March 2014 13: 13
    +2
    In the 17th year, the Russian tricolor and St. Andrew's flag will rise above Constantinople. (apparently, really soon in Turkey there will be a great commotion cleaner than the Ukrainian one and civil war and lawlessness will begin in the zone of straits)
    This will mark the end of the 100-year Russian Test and the creation of the Russian Orthodox World.
    (then truth Constantinople, Izmir and the straits will be given under the protectorate of Greece, which will be friendly and join the Eurasian Union together with Cyprus)
    The return of Sevastopol is an extremely important and necessary stage on the Path of Russia to the straits.
    1. washi
      washi 20 March 2014 15: 29
      +2
      Quote: gorozhanin
      In the 17th year, the Russian tricolor and St. Andrew's flag will rise above Constantinople. (Apparently, really soon in Turkey there will be a great commotion cleaner than the Ukrainian one and civil war and lawlessness will begin in the Straits zone) This will mark the end of the 100-year Russian Test and the creation of the Russian Orthodox World. (Then truth Constantinople, Izmir and the Straits will be given under the protectorate of Greece , which will be friendly and together with Cyprus will join the Eurasian Union)

      Is everything normal with your brains?
      Where the foot of our soldier stepped - there is Russia.
      (I don’t remember who said)
      Giving is not our way
    2. 52
      52 20 March 2014 16: 19
      0
      Why are you so frightened? Don't rush things, you will not "rush"! But the train of thought is correct, Comrade ...
  20. rudolff
    rudolff 20 March 2014 13: 17
    +4
    Three or four years ago, at a fairly high level, the idea was voiced of restoring the base pl in Balaklava. We were even willing to pay rent. Although weak, there is hope that this idea is not forgotten. It is a pity to lose such a bay as a place of basing. All these yacht clubs, cottages, summer residences, which, like mold overgrown the coast of the bay, it is not difficult to push. Half of them are illegal unauthorized construction. Rebuild the plant is also not a problem with sufficient funding. But with underground facilities more difficult. We have no boats of 613, 633 projects in the fleet, Varshavyanka / Halibut is too large for the channel / adit. Lada will pass along the length and possibly width, due to the one and a half hull, but it is unlikely to draft and the scope of the chopping rudders. But if we launched the project of the Amur 950 medium boat, underground facilities would have come in very handy. For the Baltic Sea, the Black Sea, and for the Mediterranean, the project is excellent.
    1. alex86
      alex86 20 March 2014 21: 06
      0
      Quote: rudolff
      underground facilities would have come in very handy

      At first glance, yes. But in fact, are such structures needed now? It is clear that the complex was created capable of withstanding a nuclear strike (not very strong), but today and in this place it is not very relevant (however, against conventional warheads, the stability is clearly high), a high-precision warhead driven into the "gate" will deprive the submarine of the opportunity to leave Therefore, as an arsenal - yes, as a base for submarines with an exit and entry in a submerged position (hence, small - but why are they? ... maybe they are needed ...) - yes, but the question is - how much money and what is the output?
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 21 March 2014 01: 13
      +1
      Quote: rudolff
      It is a pity to lose such a bay as a place of basing.

      The facility is a construction of anti-nuclear defense of the 1 category (protection against direct hit by the atomic bomb 100 CT), includes a combined underground water channel with a dry dock, repair shops, fuel and lubricant depots, and a mine-torpedo section. It is located in Mount Tavros, on both sides of which there are two exits. The thickness of the rock above the underground premises reaches 126 m, the Underground complex with a total area of ​​about 15 000 m2. The thickness of the lining of walls and vaults on average = 1,5 m, and in some sections - 3 m. Construction of facility No.825 GTS (aka special workshop of a ship repair plant with a dry dock) was completed in 1961. From the side of the bay - the entrance to the canal (adit) - was blocked by the batoport, whose weight reached 150 tons. To access the open sea, an exit was equipped on the north side of the mountain, which was also blocked by a batoport. Both holes in the rock were skillfully covered with camouflage devices and nets.
      The loading of equipment in peacetime was carried out on the pier, taking into account the passage of the US satellite. In the event of a nuclear threat, loading would be carried out inside the base through a special adit. The complex also included the repair and technical base (820 facility) for storage and maintenance of nuclear weapons. The temperature inside the base is about 15 degrees. In it, a small class 9 submarine or a middle class 7 submarine, as well as the personnel and population of Balaklava, could hide from a nuclear attack. In the event of a nuclear conflict, the plant could accept all the working personnel, management and crews, providing them with food, housing, drinking water for more than 30 days. For the workers of the underground plant were provided dining room, showers, lounges.
      From the side of the bay there was an entrance to the adit more than 600 meters long and 8,5 m deep. Channel length 505m; water surface width from 6 to 8,5; depth to 8,5. Submarines climbed into the rock adit under their own power. The largest adit diameter is 22 meters.
      Quote: rudolff
      Varshavyanka / Halibut is too large for the channel / adit. Lada will pass along the length and possibly width, due to the one and a half hull, but it is unlikely to draft and the scope of the chopping rudders. But if we launched the project of the Amur 950 medium boat, underground facilities would have been very nice. For the Baltic Sea, the Black Sea, and for the Mediterranean, the project is excellent.
      Non-submarines pr 877 and 636 will not pass: hull diameter = 9,9 m. But "Lada" (pr.677) will fit. Hull diameter = 7,1m (5,65 - strong), wheelhouse rudders do not go beyond the projection of the submarine hull. The Amur 950 is an export version of the Lada. We bring the fret to mind. Perhaps their appearance in the Black Sea Fleet and the Baltic.
      1. alex86
        alex86 21 March 2014 20: 07
        0
        All this is very good, but the question of the feasibility of the restoration is not resolved - I support it very much, but on the emotions, but on the level of logical reasoning - the feasibility is not very clear: why should we maintain DEPLs in a very hypothetical nuclear conflict that are unlikely to be able to come out - remain intact, but inside; and to whom and how will they help after the release? Outside, the surviving cases will be above the roof and without submarines. Therefore, today, as an arsenal and shelter - yes, the base for Mobile Poplar (a joke) or something similar for a retaliation strike (just what?) - is possible; and how the base of the submarine is unconvincing (although I really want to). The West, as far as I know, has refused such shelters.
  21. stoqn477
    stoqn477 20 March 2014 13: 38
    +3
    My personal opinion, while Turkey is a member of NATO, does not make sense for your large warships in the Black Sea (more than on a frigate). In any case, Turkey will block the Bosphorus in the event of a conflict. And your fleet will be forced to stand at its bases. Your large ships, like destroyers and cruisers, should be in places that cannot be limited by such conditions, straits controlled by a possible enemy.
    1. indiggo
      indiggo 20 March 2014 14: 07
      +6
      when the Bosphorus is blocked, Russia will consider Turkey an aggressor, thereby striking Turkey too ...
    2. washi
      washi 20 March 2014 15: 26
      +5
      Quote: stoqn477
      My personal opinion, while Turkey is a member of NATO, does not make sense for your large warships in the Black Sea (more than on a frigate). In any case, Turkey will block the Bosphorus in the event of a conflict. And your fleet will be forced to stand at its bases. Your large ships, like destroyers and cruisers, should be in places that cannot be limited by such conditions, straits controlled by a possible enemy.

      No one will enter Black. And that’s enough.
      And Azov - in general, is our internal.
    3. SAXA.SHURA
      SAXA.SHURA April 18 2014 21: 12
      0
      I do not think that in a serious military conflict, our armed forces will ask permission from anyone to go through the Bosphorus, they will just fuck and go where they need to.
  22. rudolff
    rudolff 20 March 2014 13: 41
    +4
    The question arises about the relocation of Kuznetsov, along with his air regiment to the Crimea. After overhaul with modernization, of course. He has nothing to do on the SF and is too difficult to exploit. In the winter, it is elementary impossible to heat, drain. In the Black Sea, conditions are much more sparing. Two Threads at your side. Yes, and to the middle-earth at hand. The Turks may turn a little with the passage through the Bosphorus, but they will not go anywhere.
    1. washi
      washi 20 March 2014 15: 24
      -1
      Quote: rudolff
      The question arises about the relocation of Kuznetsov, along with his air regiment to the Crimea.

      Or maybe to Baikal?
      There, too, in cases of war, he will not be able to go to the Ocean.
      How about geography?
      We have two "open sea" fleets: the Northern Fleet and the Pacific Fleet.
      The rest is for the protection of INLAND seas.
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 20 March 2014 16: 18
        +4
        Vasya, thank you for educating us in terms of geography, I’ll only recall that the Black Sea Fleet is also the zone of responsibility of the Mediterranean and the operational command of the Mediterranean group is carried out by the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 20 March 2014 22: 38
          +1
          Quote: rudolff
          The operational command of the Mediterranean group is carried out by the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet.

          In Soviet times, 5 OpEsk was directly subordinate to Ch. the headquarters of the Navy. Now created the command of the OS ships in the Mid Sea. It is also subordinate to Moscow. This is due to the inter-fleet composition of the ships that make up the OS. The headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet apparently does not yet pull in its composition.
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 20 March 2014 16: 10
      +3
      Closely to him there. For Kuzi, Kamran is needed, or in Cuba. Although that would be in Constantinople. But...
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 20 March 2014 16: 35
        +2
        Yes you are right. Camran would be the perfect base for him. Both Cuba and Middle-earth. But alas ...
    3. 52
      52 20 March 2014 16: 29
      +3
      What the hell? There is Crimea, a super aircraft carrier, there is a Tu-22m3, and there is a Black Sea Fleet. And blocking the strait is a matter of minutes: mines, aircraft, pl, nuclear strike ... well, in general, it depends on the imagination.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 20 March 2014 22: 48
        +1
        Quote: 52gim
        What the hell? There is Crimea - a super aircraft carrier

        And on that one! So that pilots can take a break from the ship and the sea. According to the documents, in 4 months they have to recover on the shore a month. Otherwise, negative psychological changes may occur. Then the saving of motor resources: from the World Cup to Middle-earth closer than from the North. Permanent basing of AVU to Sevastopol is possible if you use it in the Mediterranean. In the Northern Fleet, it is needed to ensure the combat stability of the fleet. But it is better to have 2 AVU on the SF, so that they can be changed depending on the situation.
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    5. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 20 March 2014 22: 33
      +1
      Quote: rudolff
      The question arises about the relocation of Kuznetsov, along with his air regiment to the Crimea.

      Good evening, Rudolph! An interesting idea, but only in terms of dual-based. For the winter - to Sevastopol, stern to the Coal Wall, as Kiev did in its time. Then docking in dry dock. The air regiment is in Saki. The mode is the same 4-2-4. In the summer you can go to the North.
      Quote: rudolff
      The Turks may turn a little with the passage through the Bosphorus, but they will not go anywhere.

      Exactly: there is a precedent - the passage of takras in Soviet times.
  23. Gregazov
    Gregazov 20 March 2014 14: 11
    +4
    In my opinion, it is necessary to revive in its historical place the Kachinsky Military School of Pilots, created in due time for public money.
    1. washi
      washi 20 March 2014 15: 18
      -1
      Quote: GregAzov
      In my opinion, it is necessary to revive in its historical place the Kachinsky Military School of Pilots, created in due time for public money.

      School - yes easy.
      And where to get the planes?
      Or, as with Rychagov, pilots take off and land, and only see the planes in parts?
  24. Russ69
    Russ69 20 March 2014 14: 52
    +6
    Sevastopol residents write that Russian flags were hoisted on blocked ships ...
  25. shitovmg
    shitovmg 20 March 2014 15: 09
    +1
    I wonder what will happen to the NITKA marine aviation complex? After all, we built a new one in the Krasnodar Territory, after Ukraine lifted up the price for its use

    Have to build a lot of aircraft carriers !!! In Nikolaev...fellow
  26. washi
    washi 20 March 2014 15: 16
    +5
    The entire Ukrainian fleet to return to Ukraine.
    Let them do the finishing themselves.
    Cheaper to build a new one, repair and modernize this trash
  27. xomaNN
    xomaNN 20 March 2014 15: 33
    +3
    Taking into account the age and condition of most aircraft of the Navy, no more than 7-8 pennants have some sort of combat value for the transitional period of the rearmament of the Black Sea Fleet. Submarine 641 of the project (Zaporizhia) in tow to Odessa and leave there as a monument to the Ukrainian. the fleet am
  28. kafa
    kafa 20 March 2014 17: 13
    0
    Quote: malikszh
    The guys at the Black Sea Fleet will still have the ships confiscated by the Ukrainian Navy, among the confiscated there is one submarine.

    this panorama to either a museum or a blast furnace for remelting. The Black Sea Fleet needs to be equipped with new ships, and most importantly, that they do not stand unnecessarily in the base. so that in the case of one o'clock there were the main forces in the open, and some of the vessels provided the Black Sea basin winked
  29. Sochi
    Sochi 20 March 2014 17: 23
    0
    I understand that we now have two threads? And which is now more needed?
    1. indiggo
      indiggo 20 March 2014 18: 19
      +4
      the question is not correct, both are needed, it is clear that Yeisk is much more perfect. but there are also pluses to THREADS in the Crimea, catapults of which are not present in Yeisk are installed there. In general, there are more opportunities.
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 20 March 2014 18: 39
      0
      Quote: Sochi
      I understand that we now have two threads? And which is now more needed?

      they will take off from one, sits on the other ...
  30. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 20 March 2014 18: 22
    +1
    I, as a southern Slav, are glad that Russia has sucked in the SOUTH !! For me, it’s just like the vector of Russian politics should be tasa.
    In the north there is nothing! Only polar bears! )))
  31. Russ69
    Russ69 20 March 2014 18: 27
    +1
    One of the ships that raised the St. Andrew flag ...


  32. Leshka
    Leshka 20 March 2014 19: 00
    0
    very well
  33. Sergey Vl.
    Sergey Vl. 20 March 2014 19: 12
    +2
    Well, finally there will be no flotilla, but the Black Sea fleet! And even then, Turkey began to threaten with its naval finger - but dream about them Usak Pasha!
  34. Ivanov-Ivanov
    Ivanov-Ivanov 20 March 2014 21: 35
    +2
    Ltd! My dear "half a hundred and fourth". Board number 965.
    Formerly called "Krasnodar Komsomolets"
    served urgently, at Cap Two Temples.
  35. arni
    arni 20 March 2014 22: 43
    +1
    Yeysk Thread (ground test training complex aviation) inferior in its capabilities Crimean "THREAD" more precisely "NIUTK" (ground test and training complex for naval aviation).
    Especially Yeysk Thread will work in full in 2020.
  36. Valter1364
    Valter1364 24 March 2014 21: 59
    0
    Quote: avg
    Together with Crimea, Russia acquired several shipbuilding and ship repair plants, which should help in the speedy modernization of the Black Sea Fleet.

    And this, in my opinion, is more important than the Ukrainian fleet, because ship repair facilities in both Novorossiysk and Tuapse are completely destroyed by the current owners and are not functioning. Let's face it, in the south of the Russian Federation they simply do not exist.
    If we want to have an effective Black Sea Fleet, it is urgent to restore not only ship repair, but also shipbuilding capacities in Kerch.