Kiev intends to sell the unfinished missile cruiser "Ukraine"

The unfinished Ukraine-launched missile cruiser, which has been stationed at the Nikolaev Communist Party’s 61 Shipbuilding Plant for many years, must be immediately sold without asking permission from Russia. Nikolai Romanchuk, the head of the Nikolaev regional state administration, said this, the Internet newspaper reportedNews N ".

“Today, the issue of selling the Ukraine cruiser becomes more relevant than ever. After what has happened, we don’t have to do anything to Russia and no one will consult with it. We have to find a buyer and sell the cruiser as soon as possible,” said the head of the region.

According to him, at present the state has no money for the completion of the cruiser and they are unlikely to appear in the near future. And the maintenance of the ship, according to Romanchuk, costs the budget over 6 million hryvnia per month.

As the correspondent of ARMS-TASS was informed in the Northern Design Bureau (SPKB), where the cruiser "Ukraine" (formerly "Admiral" was developed) Fleet Lobov "), any modernization of the cruiser by the criterion of" cost-effectiveness "today seems completely meaningless.

“Even if one imagines the presence of this ship in 95-percent readiness, as the Ukrainian side assures, even in this case, it is necessary to completely remove and discard previously installed equipment, which after 20 years of“ storage ”can hardly be suitable for operation” , - believes SPKB Deputy General Director Vyacheslav Senchurov.

"In the case of the sale of" Ukraine "on the cruiser, everything must be removed and redone, and, based on the criterion of" cost - efficiency, "this is more like" monkey labor ", he stressed.

The project of the cruiser was developed in SPKB. The ship was laid in the summer of 1984 of the year by order of the USSR Navy at the "Shipyard named after 61 of the Communard" in Nikolaev and was launched on August 11 of 1990 of the year. October 1 1993, he was withdrawn from the Russian Navy and became the property of Ukraine. A year later, due to lack of funding, the completion of the cruiser was discontinued. However, 17 February 1998, the President of Ukraine decided to complete the construction of the cruiser, after which the ship was completed, as the Ukrainian side claimed, by 95 percent.

The Russian Navy currently has three missile cruisers of this type in service: the Moskva, Marshal Ustinov and the Varyag.

In the photo: Ukrainian cruiser project 1164 "Ukraine" / code "Atlant" / / Photos of the Ukrainian Navy

Comments

[Tumbleweed]

How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ..." suggests itself "not on the move, minor repairs are needed, please do not call intermediaries ..."

[vlad0]

And again, it is sold without demand from Russia ....

[Russ69]

Quote: vlad0

And again, it is sold without demand from Russia ....

Probably have to, pick it up yourself, as well as most of the UVMS ...

[tilovaykrisa]

On metal if only.

[domokl]

Quote: tumbleweed

How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale.

Quote: vlad0

And again, it is sold without demand from Russia ....

Guys, you are romantics ... It’s beautifully written ... Straight poetry ..

[tilovaykrisa]

It has been sold for more than 20 years, but it’s not enough to offer, that the buyer hasn’t come out with a face, as a result of such a long stay in the buy me good stage, she got in touch with a bad company and is now rolling downhill.

[Angro Magno]

Are there any customers?

[chunga-changa]

Of course, they can sell it, even without looking at Russia. Only who will buy it. Can’t you make a lot of money from scrap metal? Although if you ticked with nenki, then 3 llamas will not be redundant.
A symbol, yes - chic.)

[Rus2012]

Quote: chunga-changa

Of course, they can sell it, even without looking at Russia. Only who will buy it. Can’t you make a lot of money from scrap metal? Although if you ticked with nenki, then 3 llamas will not be redundant.

most likely they won’t have time to sell ...

Russia will take along with Nikolaev ...

[tronin.maxim]

First of all, the Chinese should not be allowed to go!

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: tronin.maxim

First of all, the Chinese should not be allowed to go!

What did the Chinese not see there? Yes, they kind of refused to buy this cruiser.
I would have changed the name of the cruiser before the sale. Sorry, the ship is likely to be sawn

[Dimkin]

Sorry, the question may not be in the topic, but what kind of cruiser did it seem like 3-4 months ago that we were buying it from Ukraine? And the second question, why should not our opinion or should it be taken into account?

[Mikado]

Ours wanted to buy it, we have already reached an agreement with Yanukovych, so they say that they "should not ask" us now. It's a pity the ship, the Euro-Hohols won't sell it to us on principle, they'd better put it on pins and needles at the price of scrap than they would sell it to us for a decent amount. Yes, and we have nothing to do with him in such a situation, there are no factories that will be able to "lift" this ship in the Black Sea, either negotiate with the same Nikolayevsky plant, or tow it to the Northern Fleet. In short, there are a lot of problems with this business, it will be easier and cheaper to build a new one. Although, personally, I would like to complete it and introduce it into the fleet with the same name "Ukraine", so that they all hang there with envy.

[elmi]

Kiev intends to sell the unfinished missile cruiser "Ukraine"

It is a pity that the cruiser "Ukraine" is not in the Crimea, otherwise the sale issue was not so urgent. They are probably afraid that soon the Nikolaev region, together with the cruiser, will become Russian, so they are trying to sell it as soon as possible.

[svetlomor]

They will take them out of the thermal water and pick them up for debts, they’ll come to spare parts.

[aktanir]

the Chinese will buy and in two years they will turn the cruiser into candy, and we will have to bite our elbows. Really it is impossible to agree. Are there any attempts at all? It all depends on the price that sellers set. It is necessary to give the right people in the government of Ukraine on the paw (it is better to act through intermediaries), lower the price to a reasonable one and redeem it.

[mamont5]

Quote: aktanir

It is necessary to give the right people on the paw in the government of Ukraine

And where did you see the Ukrainian government? He is illegitimate.

[Kuzbassovets]

what for??? He is already 30 years old !!! iron does not age? All systems are made for obsolete weapons, engines, controls, why is it needed? To completely disassemble and assemble again? Until they disassemble and assemble, it will become obsolete for another 5-7 years, then you can only scare Hondurans

[novobranets]

And the maintenance of the ship, according to Romanchuk, costs the budget over 6 million hryvnias per month.

Is this the watchman's salary? What the hell is the content, one body remained, everything that could be unscrewed or torn off has already gone into non-ferrous metal. Ukrainians are simply filling up the price, God forbid to take on it, it will come out at a higher price than the one started from scratch. During such a time, what was not stolen fell into disrepair. Let the Rada play in independence, "here we take it, and in spite of Russia we will sell it without asking, that's what we are independent". Time is lost, what could have become the pride of the UVMF has become useless trash.

[Alekseev]

Quote: aktanir

the Chinese will buy and in two years the cruiser will turn into candy

He is already over 20 years old.
Specialists say that everything is morally obsolete, and physically ... It’s better to build a new one, it will be cheaper. Recall how many were rowing with an Indian aircraft carrier.
But in general, it is a matter of specialists and competent calculation.

[ksan]

aktanir RU Today, 13:28 ↑

the Chinese will buy and in two years they will turn the cruiser into candy, and we will have to bite our elbows. Really it is impossible to agree. Are there any attempts at all? It all depends on the price that sellers set

Were led Even under "Taburetkin". The Ukrainians wanted $ 40 million for him, but then they were told that Russia would take him only for "a gift"

[CALL.]

However, on February 17, 1998, the President of Ukraine decided to complete the cruiser, after which the ship was completed, according to the Ukrainian side, by 95 percent.

[TAMERLAN 7]

We must find a buyer and sell the cruiser as soon as possible, "the head of the region said.

This is the Ukrainian answer to Russia for the annexation of Crimea! Know Ukraine! Terrible guys! Russia annexed Crimea, and they sold "Ukraine" ......
It sounds wild and really symbolic!

[Starover_Z]

But the Chinese just can buy. Since nobody is going to ask Russia, they will at least sell them to the States, if only they would give them a denyuzhku.
That's just how much they will give for it, this is a question.

[77bob1973]

The question begs, to whom? If they weren’t able to sell for 20 years, then all the more so, I think China doesn’t need it either, since it’s very old and rather complicated, it’s not an aircraft carrier for you, it’s a complex range of weapons!

[rasputin17]

Russia annexed Crimea, and they sold "Ukraine" ......

Ukraine sold Ukraine !!))))))))))))

[Semen Semyonitch]

Quote: rolling the field

How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ..." suggests itself "not on the move, minor repairs are needed, please do not call intermediaries ..."

How much per kilogram?

[Doznanied]

Yes, it sounds ambiguous "Ukraine - for cutting"!

[mamont5]

Quote: rolling the field

How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ..." suggests itself "not on the move, minor repairs are needed, please do not call intermediaries ..."

Alas, not "minor repairs". All the insides must be changed.

[brownie]

Quote: mamont5

Quote: rolling the field

How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ..." suggests itself "not on the move, minor repairs are needed, please do not call intermediaries ..."

Alas, not "minor repairs". All the insides must be changed.

The same applies to the country "Ukraine"

[dmitreach]

The only logical reason to buy this outdated, in every sense, long-term construction - donation (cannibalism) for three living cruisers. But even in this case ... (The first one, so to speak, went.) Ustinov has been renovated since 2011 and is very successful. There remains only symbolism in the form of "long-term construction - ukruiny".
PS
BOD "Ochakov" rested somewhere more symbolically.
ZZY
They will not be able to sell it without dismantling some weapons systems. According to international restrictions. Therefore, they have not sold to this day! Here we are talking not only about 16 launch containers ... And the only reason why SUDDENLY froze is the lack of money in the treasury of Ukraine.

[novobranets]

Quote: mamont5

All the insides need to be changed.

And not only the insides, probably the body elements responsible for the strength have undergone corrosion, only the diagnostics can take six months.

[Grenader]

Quote: tumbleweed

How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ..." suggests itself "not on the move, minor repairs are needed, please do not call intermediaries ..."

They need to be more careful in words. Our president has an excellent sense of humor - Tymoshenko wanted to remove the fleet from Ukraine; she succeeded, it can also happen in this case.

[Orik]

Quote: rolling the field

suggests itself "not on the move, minor repairs are needed, please do not call intermediaries ..."

What minor repairs, it is said unequivocally:

any modernization of the cruiser according to the criterion "cost - efficiency" today seems completely devoid of
it is necessary to completely remove and dispose of previously installed equipment, which after 20 years of "storage" is unlikely to be suitable for operation

Modernization cruisers Of Ukraine is impossible, it is necessary to remove and throw to the landfill previously installed equipment the elite.

[sens99.ru]

6 million hryvnia per month? For this money you can finish the aircraft carrier. Officials lied, and then they run into us!

[Geisenberg]

Quote: rolling the field

How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ..." suggests itself "not on the move, minor repairs are needed, please do not call intermediaries ..."

It is urgently necessary to raise the "Ochakov" BOD and present it to the city of Nikolaev, exactly across the forway.

[APASUS]

Quote: Geisenberg

It is urgently necessary to raise the "Ochakov" BOD and present it to the city of Nikolaev, exactly across the forway.

The shipyard in Nikolaev has not let out large-capacity vessels for a long time, now it’s almost ruin. They are trying to make yachts for the rich, but this is ridiculous compared to the huge complex.A simple towing of this monster requires first revising the entire steering complex, everything has soured there over 20 years.

[svp67]

We must find a buyer and sell the cruiser as soon as possible, "the head of the region said.

Quote: tumbleweed

How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ...

Maybe one of the oligarchs will buy a yacht for himself ...

[Serg 122]

Ukraine for sale ...
Maybe one of the oligarchs will buy a yacht for himself ...
Then by the cottage ... (joke!)

[novobranets]

Quote: Serg 122

Then at the cottage ...

Under the government cottage, collect them (the government) at this cottage, tow away and arrange for our submarines to conduct training firing.

[ksan]

Quote: rolling the field
How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ...

Yes indeed True, they "knocked" the name (letters) off the boards and in the documents decided to continue to refer to IT as object N. But the essence does not change from this.

[GAndr]

I think China will not mind buying ...

[Igor39]

How much metal will he pull?

[SHOCK.]

Quote: GAndr

I think China will not mind buying ...

If only at the price of scrap metal. The Chinese are able to count money.

[donavi49]

No, they don’t need, they have a different level. If it were necessary, they would have bought a long time ago. In fact, they have all the systems, except for the Volcano - which they can not get in any way.

Here are the modern PLA fleet ships - the second 052D destroyer to be tested.

[ksan]

donavi49 UA Today, 13:18 PM ↑ New

No, they don’t need, they have a different level. If it were necessary, they would have bought a long time ago. In fact, they have all the systems, except for the Volcano - which they can not get in any way.

I agree that without "Vulcan" it is not necessary for China, not for India. By the way, infa about the "negotiations" on the acquisition of a cruiser by China slipped periodically both in the 90s and in the early 2000s, but due to the impossibility of acquiring and installing the Volcanoes and some other secret "things" on the ship, they ended in nothing And without THIS ("Volcano", etc.) this ship is not needed "over the hill", well, if only for scrap.

[Samaritan]

Warships of the Navy of the People's Republic of China
Yeah, goat slaughter ... They still have not digested Ukrainian bison ...

Aircraft carriers "Liaoning"
URO destroyers Type 051C Type 052 Project 956E Type 052B Project 956EM Type 052C Type 052D Type 055
Anshan-class destroyers Type 051 Type 051B
Frigates Type 053 Type 053H2G Type 053H3 Type 054/054A
Corvettes Type 056
Missile boats Type 024 Type 021 Type 037 Type 022
UDC Type 071
Type 092 Xia SSBN Type 094 Jin Type 096 Tian
ICAPL Type 091 "Han" Type 093 "Shan" Type 095
Diesel-electric submarine Type 031 Type 033 Wuhan Type 035 Ming Type 039 Song Project 877EKM Project 636 Type 041 Yuan

[TAMERLAN 7]

Quote: GAndr

I think China will not mind buying ...

China is building such ships that they hardly even need such scrap metal!
I won’t say a bad word about the Atlas project 1164, had it been a combat-ready 1164, they would have torn it off with my hands, but the ship turned into scrap metal. A new one is better than messing with it.

"In the case of the sale of" Ukraine "on a cruiser, everything needs to be removed and redone, but based on the criterion" cost-effectiveness ", it looks more like" myrtyshkin's work, "he stressed.

[Altona]

It seems they were going to fight, but the question is about selling a warship, almost ready ... Well, the logic of the junta ...

[Alex89]

Maybe he was 95% ready, but I don’t think that for all these years he remained in this state! I think it was already stolen that was less valuable. Perhaps there was only a case left.

[vbatov]

They have no rockets for him, and there are no one to pick up shells for the gun and the crew.

[lukke]

They don’t have rockets either, and there are no one to pick up shells for the gun and the crew

Well, it’s you getting excited ... they will put the national hvardeyceff = maidanut on the ship at the same time everyone will be given a paddle and a baseball bat with a shield - here you have speed, weapons and air defense equipment

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Altona

It seems they were going to fight, but the question is about the sale of a warship, almost ready ..

Yes, this stuff is rusty, there is nothing there on it. In military operations, it can be used only as a shelter from bullets.

[Ivan Russky]

It is possible and in peace, as a target.

[Altona]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Yes, this stuff is rusty, there is nothing there on it. In military operations, it can be used only as a shelter from bullets.

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Even once you shmulit something, and then you can’t portray the death of the Varangian? For propaganda purposes ...

[svp67]

However, on February 17, 1998, the President of Ukraine decided to complete the cruiser, after which the ship was completed, according to the Ukrainian side, by 95 percent.

Yes, only the remaining 5% is an armament complex, which is produced only in Russia ... So, a cruiser without a weapon is a self-propelled target ...

[sop.ov]

The unfinished missile cruiser "Ukraine", which has been standing at the Nikolaev Shipyard named after 61 Communards for many years, must be immediately sold without asking permission from Russia.
There is a better option - in the ultimatum order to demand to exchange it for the Crimea. With a laugh, defuse the tense international situation around Crimea.

[Alex89]

Yeah! The ship is a pity!

[Monk]

Quote: rolling the field

How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ..." suggests itself "not on the move, minor repairs are needed, please do not call intermediaries ..."

I think in a couple of days they will come to us with an offer to purchase

[major071]

Earlier there were proposals to Russia to purchase it, but only ours refused, they said that scrap metal should be bought at the price of scrap, and not at the requests that Ukraine wanted. There are two options: either they will have time to hand over it for "pennies", or we will have another heap of scrap for free.

[Belarus]

Except for laughter, the statement of the head of the Nikolaev regional state administration cannot cause. Besides it cannot be called cheap show-offs (izv for jargon).
Even if this cruiser was announced and would be ready, no one except Ukraine would buy it from Russia (there is still such a country). Would it not be clear Ukrainian bureaucrats.
And then you don’t need to ask, we won’t ask pah, it’s just ridiculous! And if it were necessary, they would ask and would not go anywhere.

[Curculum]

Quote: Belarus

Except for laughter, the statement of the head of the Nikolaev regional state administration cannot cause. Besides it cannot be called cheap show-offs (izv for jargon).

After what happened, we should not do anything to Russia and no one will consult with it.

In vain he said it, oh in vain ...

[konvalval]

Nationalize as the Black Sea Fleet of Ukraine for debts. We can even leave the name. We love Ukraine.

[svp67]

“Today, the issue of selling the Ukraine cruiser becomes more relevant than ever. After what has happened, we don’t have to do anything to Russia and no one will consult with it. We have to find a buyer and sell the cruiser as soon as possible,” said the head of the region.

It seems that Nikolaev’s measures are not going to ask permission from the Kiev authorities ... I can tell you that there are not bad centers for the acceptance of scrap metal in Sevastopol, they give a good price ...

[JonnyT]

except sad sarcasm, this news does not cause anything. On the one hand, the thieves' power characterizes itself symbolically, and on the other, it’s a pity that this ship, with huge potential, never saw the sea with the Russian Navy

[propolsky]

And why does the head of the regional state administration manage the military property? It is necessary to deal with the national economy according to the position: to build houses and roads for people, to raise utilities. Or "rob the loot"?

[svp67]

Quote: propolsky

Or "rob the loot"?

in the treasury "the mouse hanged herself" ...

[alex-s]

And why does the head of the regional state administration dispose of military property?

Looks like his chuyka works well! Soon get under the seat! So at least have something to sell!

[Per se.]

"" In the case of the sale of "Ukraine" on a cruiser, everything needs to be removed and redone, but, based on the criterion "cost - efficiency", it looks more like "myrtyshkin work", - he stressed. "So is" monkey work "? The Chinese didn't think so when they bought and completed the aircraft carrier.Well, we riveted new cruisers and destroyers, like my grandmother bakes pies, but no, we push corvettes for several years, and when we begin to build ships of the first rank, it is still a question of distant prospects There is no need to squander the opportunities to strengthen the fleet, firstly, the time is getting hotter, and secondly, here, at least, technical expertise is needed for any statements, and, moreover, we have three cruisers from this series in service. older age.

[Anuarkz]

As far as it is known, the brother of Ukraine, the cruiser Marshal Ustinov, is now being repaired in the Zvezdochka shipyard after him in 2015, the cruiser Moscow will take his place. I think the naval ones do not want to take Ukraine because now the ship has no place to repair and modernize, but by 2016 after the release of Zvezdochka's facilities, the situation may well change

[brownie]

"" In the case of the sale of "Ukraine" on a cruiser, everything needs to be removed and redone, but, based on the criterion "cost - efficiency", it looks more like "myrtyshkin work", - he stressed. "So is" monkey work "? The Chinese did not think so when they bought and completed the aircraft carrier.

20 million green is a big price for an aircraft carrier hull? Yes, and "Varyag" at the time of sale was 15 years younger than the currently offered cruiser.

[itr]

If only for scrap

[Voenruk]

The head of the regional state administration has rather exceeded his rights) Go about your business, comrade!)

[commander]

Quote: rolling the field

How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ..." suggests itself "not on the move, minor repairs are needed, please do not call intermediaries ..."

I recall a case, or maybe an anecdote on this topic about GAZ-21 ..
It was originally planned that the car will be called the "Homeland". Upon learning of this, Joseph Stalin ironically asked: “How much will you sell your homeland?”. This option was immediately replaced by a more successful one, symbolizing the victory of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War.

[nikcris]

Don’t be silly - the Volga began to be stamped in 1956. Stalin had been in the mausoleum for three years.

[Per se.]

Quote: Commandor

I recall a case, or maybe an anecdote on this topic about GAZ-21 ..

Not GAZ-21, but GAZ-M20 Pobeda, the original name, indeed, was supposed to be "Motherland". However, if you turn things around like that, it’s not very good to sell your victory either. As for the cruiser, it would be better if we bought the "Ukraine", even if there were only propaganda and ideology, a play on words and meaning.

[Andrey57]

“How much will you sell your homeland?”

Mistake - this is about the car "Victory" Stalin had a conversation

[Voenruk]

"And how much is our Motherland today?" XD

[indiggo]

damn it’s already tired, they already sell it and sell it , The Chinese do not need it, They already make much more modern Ships, if the ship was with the main caliber, then you could still think the Chinese.
the only ones who need this ship are us, we need it as a donor for our 1164.

[mvv]

Ukraine is for sale, but THIS IS A TURN!

[mountain]

Much more symbolic, at first they sold the country to Ukraine, and then the cruiser Ukraine. Remained chernozem.

[indiggo]

another soul can be sold

[Ivan Russky]

Quote: indiggo

another soul can be sold

It has long been sold for evergreens.

[brownie]

Quote: Ivan Russian

Quote: indiggo

another soul can be sold

It has long been sold for evergreens.

And, first of all, they drove the soul, and then everything else.

[commander]

Quote: Voenruk

"And how much is our Motherland today?" XD

It is not necessary to apply the high, truly spiritual word Homeland to the gangs of an illegitimate government. They do not know such a word. The Kiev junta raised money and power into an idol.
The homeland of an honest worker, engineer, serviceman is his own, as they understand her and at the same time she is ours. I am sure that in Ukraine they love their homeland no less than we love our homeland in Russia. Both there and we have honest and decent people. This is not to be forgotten. I will ask you to keep this in mind.

[Vedmed_23]

Quote: rolling the field

How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ..." suggests itself "not on the move, minor repairs are needed, please do not call intermediaries ..."

Only repairs in Ukraine need CAPITAL

[Arh]

A little later, Southeast will become part of the Russian Federation, and everything will go to Russia !!! ***

[sop.ov]

Quote: Monk

I think in a couple of days they will come to us with an offer to purchase lol

I repeat ... Or exchange to the Crimea.

[darksoul]

It is sold without the demand of Russia ..... but does anyone need it except us as a donor ship for Moscow, Varangian, Ustinov?

Present fraternally, unload it will be .... 6 million per month will not pay. Although for me it’s better to sort out our eagles, one already started to eat two more, if only not under the knife

[Armata]

But I’m interested. With what fright of the cruiser of the 1164 project (Atlant) are outdated? Russia is modernizing them quite successfully. Native Ustinov is waiting for modernization. Or is it profitable for us, but let's say a foreign buyer doesn’t?

[loginovich]

“Today, the issue of selling the Ukraine cruiser becomes more relevant than ever. After what has happened, we don’t have to do anything to Russia and no one will consult with it. We have to find a buyer and sell the cruiser as soon as possible,” said the head of the region.


It is curious who dares to buy a controversial cruiser without the permission of Russia other than the large NATO countries. Then the question is, do they need it?

[GAndr]

Quote: donavi49

No, they don’t need, they have a different level. If it were necessary, they would have bought a long time ago. In fact, they have all the systems, except for the Volcano - which they can not get in any way.

Here are the modern PLA fleet ships - the second 052D destroyer to be tested.

Do you feel the difference between a destroyer and a cruiser? China is not capable of building cruiser-class ships from scratch and it is not known when it will be able to. In order to learn them, they can just buy the "Ukraine", just as they bought an aircraft carrier.

[upasika1918]

Previously, it might have worked. I don't think anyone would dare to buy now. In general, "I will sleep my hut to spite my neighbor. Let the smoke breathe."

[commander]

Quote: Per se.

Quote: Commandor

I recall a case, or maybe an anecdote on this topic about GAZ-21 ..

Not GAZ-21, but GAZ-M20 Pobeda, the original name, indeed, was supposed to be "Motherland". However, if you turn things around like that, it’s not very good to sell your victory either. As for the cruiser, it would be better if we bought the "Ukraine", even if there were only propaganda and ideology, a play on words and meaning.

I apologize, the name of the car was written from memory.

[Dragon-y]

"Kiev intends to sell Ukraine" - this is how to write ... without quotation marks.

[Burmistr]

have a good laugh together!
I wonder if they will rename this trough before selling it?

[commander]

Quote: Dragon-y

"Kiev intends to sell Ukraine" - this is how to write ... without quotation marks.

I think it’s better that way - A flock of maydanutnyh banderlog sells Ukraine. Describes the situation in Ukraine more accurately.

[Wiruz]

It seemed like they were going to sell Russia, and at a purely symbolic price. Now, the stump is clear, it will be sold to either the Turks or Amers. No, this cannot be allowed, if it would be better then Russia would drown him than allow him to surrender.

[Siberian19]

good ship! urgently need to arrange a referendum in Nikolaev! there is still a lot of tasty, or have you already squandered everything?

[brownie]

Quote: Siberian19

good ship! urgently need to arrange a referendum in Nikolaev! there is still a lot of tasty, or have you already squandered everything?

Now from the "tasty" in Nikolaev there are only NGZ (Nikolaev Alumina Refinery), but it already belongs to Deripaska, and Zarya-Mashproekt (design and production of gas turbine units) survives due to orders from abroad, including Russia. All other enterprises are either destroyed and in the stage of destruction (mentioned in the article "plant named after 61 Communards", "Black Sea shipbuilding plant", etc.), or "are breathing in incense" (plant "Ocean")
PS Information indicated by me may not be completely correct, because it is based on what I saw with my own eyes and what I heard with my own ears . Could be wrong

[Gomunkul]

However, on February 17, 1998, the President of Ukraine decided to complete the cruiser, after which the ship was completed, according to the Ukrainian side, by 95 percent.

Here they are able to throw dust in their eyes:
1. The President of Ukraine decided to complete the cruiser.
2. After which the ship was completed, according to the Ukrainian side, by 95 percent
A ship can be considered completed when it is 100% ready, and not 95% ready.

[rasputin17]

95% !!))) Cheap show-offs !!!)) Looking at a photo a piece of rusty iron !!!

[Ek.Sektor]

Not quite on the topic question, but do we have equipment with the name "Russia" in service? I don't seem to have met, but maybe I don’t know something

[alex56]

If they sell not to us (and this will most likely still be). In my opinion, we have only 2 outputs:
1. Take yourself and Nikolaev after the Crimea.
2. To sink the "Ukraine", I hope the Black Sea Fleet sailors will carry out such an operation without any problems.
But for me 1 option is preferable)))

[Yuri Sev Caucasus]

Yes, they offered it to us, but inadequately appreciated. And we offered them to buy it at the price of scrap, they did not want. Now they themselves will offer scrap for the price!

[Coffee_time]

Yes, the junta on SMS didn’t beat the money, so sell the ship, at least something. Suddenly enough for something

[nas leonid]

"Ukraine" I think you can buy not expensive, modernization at the place of construction.

[rasputin17]

The game is not worth the candle !!

[mithridate]

the statement of the head of the regional administration is nothing more than an attempt to yap toward Russia to curry favor with the Kiev gang

[Vi_RUS]

all the same, it’s a pity, the ship is very good, and restoration can not be more expensive than building with the creation of a new project, and this is the last carabule of project 1164. Do not be silly. If he would be so bad, the cruiser Moscow, the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet would have already been cut and replaced.

[Gomunkul]

According to him, at present the state has no money for the completion of the cruiser and they are unlikely to appear in the near future. And the maintenance of the ship, according to Romanchuk, costs the budget over 6 million hryvnia per month.

Yes, sell this cruiser to the head of the Nikolaev regional state administration Nikolai Romanchuk, even if at least it will bring some benefit to your country, instead of selling everything to anyone just to salt Russia.

[kelevra]

We already offered to buy it a few years ago, but they wanted fabulous money for this junk. Now, at least someone is not sure that Europe or the United States will buy it, only third world countries and then, at such a price that they more than once remember the advantageous offer of Russia.

[DimYang]

No need to throw weapons around. Although not combat-ready, it will not be suitable for just anyone to get it. The leadership of the Russian Black Sea Fleet needs to think about "inadvertently" flushing it. Better so, in my opinion.

[XLexx]

Unreliable sold, it is better not to get involved.

[rasputin17]

They have experience selling unfinished construction to the Chinese and Turks !! For the period from 91-93 in Nikolaev, they cut into metal and sold two aircraft carriers of the "Kuznetsov" type that were supposed to go out and replenish the fleet with ships of this series! So they are not in the first !! And now the problem with finances in the impoverished budget of the self-proclaimed government is especially acute !!)))

[Kuvabatake]

Well, this is not the first time they have traded in Ukraine. But you need to sell urgently and run away with the proceeds before they take the soft spot...

[120352]

And why do we need this scrap metal?

[Sochi]

Kyiv intends to sell the unfinished project of the state "Ukraine" - inexpensively, pickup...

[biglow]

in our times, when entire planes stuffed with electronics disappear without a trace, a rusty hull can also disappear when it encounters unknown ships at sea

[Zomanus]

It is more symbolic not to sell, but to flood or burn. Apparently they will do this. Now you can sell everything without hiding, filling your purses before running away.

[marder4]

It’s already becoming interesting - what will they sell next???

[TAMERLAN 7]

There's a good table here, but as always, it's hard to move it, so sorry.
name 1164 1164m1 1164m2 1164m3 1164m4
PU anti-ship missile P-500 "Basalt" 16
Anti-ship missile P-500 "Basalt" 16
UKS: inclined launch launcher for 6 anti-ship missiles (ZS-14PE) 8
UKS: inclined launch launcher for 8 anti-ship missiles (ZS-14PE) 8 8 8
UKSK: BrahMos anti-ship missile or other Caliber missile 48 64 64 64
Launcher for 4 TPK anti-ship missiles "Uran-UE" 4 6
Anti-ship missile "Uran-UE" 16 24
AU AK-130 1
AU A190 1 1 1 1
Two five-tube torpedo tubes DTA-53 2 2 2 2 2
ammunition capacity of 533mm torpedoes 10 10 10 10 10
RBU-6000: launcher 2 2 2 2 2
RBU-6000: RSL ammunition 96 96 96 96 96
AP radar S-300F 1 1
universal crane for loading missiles and lifting and lowering watercraft 1 1 1
S-300F air defense system: drum for 8 missiles (UVP B-203A) 8 8
S-300F air defense system: SAM 48N6E 64 64
SAM "Redut": launcher for 8 missiles 16 16 16
SAM "Redut": SAM 9M96E, 9M96E, 128 128 128
Osa-MA 2 air defense missile system radar
Osa-MA air defense system: launcher 3S90E 2
Osa-MA air defense system: 9M33 48 missiles
ZRPK "Pantsyr-M" 2 3 2 0
Radar air defense system BD 2
VPU ADMC DB for 8 cells 8
SAM SAM BD 64
Radar MR-123 3 3 0 2 0
ZAK "AK-630": combat module with ammunition 6 4 0 2 3
The cruiser doesn't look very good in the latest photos. I can imagine what’s going on inside, but below the waterline?

There are interesting modernization projects:

[Leshka]

it would be useful to us

[dmikras]

Nothing Sevastopol has returned and Ukraine will return

[Signaller]

Right. Need to sell. And the sooner, the better. The old is only a hindrance to development. Moreover, the missiles that are installed on it are an anachronism and no one produces them in Ukraine. And in Russia too.

[Arkan]

It's a pity! Ukraine was never able to become a maritime power.

[shelva]

Yes, they don’t need any weapons other than a sawed-off shotgun - farmers, what kind of destroyers are there?

[Cristall]

a loud statement...But there are no buyers.
They will sell it for metal. Nikolaev residents will not be asked. On the contrary, they will set it up.
As for the shipyards, they say they are old and there is no point... I don’t think how much they suffered after the wars and other things - and still they always built there. Understand that this is the place there - no matter what kind of pogrom there was at the shipyards, they can and will still build. There is such a spirit and a cluster there (preparation for nurturing tradition and Zorya there too)
Well, if, of course, we leave Nikolaev to Kyiv, then yes...maybe later a museum will be opened...There were shipyards of the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR, Ukraine...and now a museum.

[serg2083]

Bravo, girl! You are a patriot. I also know something about the capabilities of Nikolaev shipyards. Indeed, it is possible to build there (by investing in restoration and modernization), but are there any specialists left there? It's been 20 years since they actually built anything. A generation has changed! The shipyard itself will not build anything!

[Denis 123]

It's not a matter of generation. There is no country for which this is needed. That is, all the shipyards are not needed in such numbers. Their destiny is to build a yacht for an oligarch. And we will upload OURS first.

[Aragorn]

I would like to remind you that there are three shipyards in Nikolaev:
- Black Sea Shipyard
- Plant named after 61 communards
- Factory "Ocean"

[Denis 123]

All side companies are of no interest to anyone and there will never be any orders. At least not in Ukraine.

[Klibanophoros]

The power of the Chinese fleet will increase with Ukrainian scrap metal...