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Kiev intends to sell the unfinished missile cruiser "Ukraine"

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Kiev intends to sell the unfinished missile cruiser "Ukraine"The unfinished Ukraine-launched missile cruiser, which has been stationed at the Nikolaev Communist Party’s 61 Shipbuilding Plant for many years, must be immediately sold without asking permission from Russia. Nikolai Romanchuk, the head of the Nikolaev regional state administration, said this, the Internet newspaper reportedNews N ".


“Today, the issue of selling the Ukraine cruiser becomes more relevant than ever. After what has happened, we don’t have to do anything to Russia and no one will consult with it. We have to find a buyer and sell the cruiser as soon as possible,” said the head of the region.

According to him, at present the state has no money for the completion of the cruiser and they are unlikely to appear in the near future. And the maintenance of the ship, according to Romanchuk, costs the budget over 6 million hryvnia per month.

As the correspondent of ARMS-TASS was informed in the Northern Design Bureau (SPKB), where the cruiser "Ukraine" (formerly "Admiral" was developed) Fleet Lobov "), any modernization of the cruiser by the criterion of" cost-effectiveness "today seems completely meaningless.

“Even if one imagines the presence of this ship in 95-percent readiness, as the Ukrainian side assures, even in this case, it is necessary to completely remove and discard previously installed equipment, which after 20 years of“ storage ”can hardly be suitable for operation” , - believes SPKB Deputy General Director Vyacheslav Senchurov.

"In the case of the sale of" Ukraine "on the cruiser, everything must be removed and redone, and, based on the criterion of" cost - efficiency, "this is more like" monkey labor ", he stressed.

The project of the cruiser was developed in SPKB. The ship was laid in the summer of 1984 of the year by order of the USSR Navy at the "Shipyard named after 61 of the Communard" in Nikolaev and was launched on August 11 of 1990 of the year. October 1 1993, he was withdrawn from the Russian Navy and became the property of Ukraine. A year later, due to lack of funding, the completion of the cruiser was discontinued. However, 17 February 1998, the President of Ukraine decided to complete the construction of the cruiser, after which the ship was completed, as the Ukrainian side claimed, by 95 percent.

The Russian Navy currently has three missile cruisers of this type in service: the Moskva, Marshal Ustinov and the Varyag.

In the photo: Ukrainian cruiser project 1164 "Ukraine" / code "Atlant" / / Photos of the Ukrainian Navy
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  1. Tumbleweed
    Tumbleweed 19 March 2014 13: 12
    +142
    How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ..." suggests itself "not on the move, minor repairs are needed, please do not call intermediaries ..."
    1. vlad0
      vlad0 19 March 2014 13: 15
      +28
      And again, it is sold without demand from Russia ....
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 19 March 2014 14: 08
        +5
        Quote: vlad0
        And again, it is sold without demand from Russia ....

        Probably have to, pick it up yourself, as well as most of the UVMS ...
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 19 March 2014 17: 08
          +4
          On metal if only.
      2. domokl
        domokl 19 March 2014 14: 36
        +9
        Quote: tumbleweed
        How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale.

        Quote: vlad0
        And again, it is sold without demand from Russia ....

        Guys, you are romantics ... It’s beautifully written ... Straight poetry ..
      3. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 19 March 2014 17: 10
        +2
        It has been sold for more than 20 years, but it’s not enough to offer, that the buyer hasn’t come out with a face, as a result of such a long stay in the buy me good stage, she got in touch with a bad company and is now rolling downhill.
      4. Angro Magno
        Angro Magno 21 March 2014 22: 42
        0
        Are there any customers?
    2. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 19 March 2014 13: 15
      +30
      Of course, they can sell it, even without looking at Russia. Only who will buy it. Can’t you make a lot of money from scrap metal? Although if you ticked with nenki, then 3 llamas will not be redundant.
      A symbol, yes - chic.)
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 19 March 2014 13: 18
        +28
        Quote: chunga-changa
        Of course, they can sell it, even without looking at Russia. Only who will buy it. Can’t you make a lot of money from scrap metal? Although if you ticked with nenki, then 3 llamas will not be redundant.

        most likely they won’t have time to sell ...
        laughing
        Russia will take along with Nikolaev ...
        1. tronin.maxim
          tronin.maxim 19 March 2014 13: 21
          +14
          First of all, the Chinese should not be allowed to go!
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 19 March 2014 13: 27
            +8
            Quote: tronin.maxim
            First of all, the Chinese should not be allowed to go!

            What did the Chinese not see there? Yes, they kind of refused to buy this cruiser.
            I would have changed the name of the cruiser before the sale. Sorry, the ship is likely to be sawn
            1. Dimkin
              Dimkin 19 March 2014 14: 39
              +2
              Sorry, the question may not be in the topic, but what kind of cruiser did it seem like 3-4 months ago that we were buying it from Ukraine? And the second question, why should not our opinion or should it be taken into account?
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 19 March 2014 16: 27
                +7
                Ours wanted to buy it, we have already reached an agreement with Yanukovych, so they say that they "should not ask" us now. It's a pity the ship, the Euro-Hohols won't sell it to us on principle, they'd better put it on pins and needles at the price of scrap than they would sell it to us for a decent amount. Yes, and we have nothing to do with him in such a situation, there are no factories that will be able to "lift" this ship in the Black Sea, either negotiate with the same Nikolayevsky plant, or tow it to the Northern Fleet. In short, there are a lot of problems with this business, it will be easier and cheaper to build a new one. Although, personally, I would like to complete it and introduce it into the fleet with the same name "Ukraine", so that they all hang there with envy.
          2. elmi
            elmi 19 March 2014 13: 32
            +14
            Kiev intends to sell the unfinished missile cruiser "Ukraine"

            It is a pity that the cruiser "Ukraine" is not in the Crimea, otherwise the sale issue was not so urgent. They are probably afraid that soon the Nikolaev region, together with the cruiser, will become Russian, so they are trying to sell it as soon as possible.
      2. svetlomor
        svetlomor 19 March 2014 13: 21
        +6
        They will take them out of the thermal water and pick them up for debts, they’ll come to spare parts.
        1. aktanir
          aktanir 19 March 2014 13: 28
          +4
          the Chinese will buy and in two years they will turn the cruiser into candy, and we will have to bite our elbows. Really it is impossible to agree. Are there any attempts at all? It all depends on the price that sellers set. It is necessary to give the right people in the government of Ukraine on the paw (it is better to act through intermediaries), lower the price to a reasonable one and redeem it.
          1. mamont5
            mamont5 19 March 2014 13: 54
            +9
            Quote: aktanir
            It is necessary to give the right people on the paw in the government of Ukraine

            And where did you see the Ukrainian government? He is illegitimate.
          2. Kuzbassovets
            Kuzbassovets 19 March 2014 14: 09
            +10
            what for??? He is already 30 years old !!! iron does not age? All systems are made for obsolete weapons, engines, controls, why is it needed? To completely disassemble and assemble again? Until they disassemble and assemble, it will become obsolete for another 5-7 years, then you can only scare Hondurans
            1. novobranets
              novobranets 19 March 2014 14: 27
              +6
              And the maintenance of the ship, according to Romanchuk, costs the budget over 6 million hryvnias per month.
              Is this the watchman's salary? What the hell is the content, one body remained, everything that could be unscrewed or torn off has already gone into non-ferrous metal. Ukrainians are simply filling up the price, God forbid to take on it, it will come out at a higher price than the one started from scratch. During such a time, what was not stolen fell into disrepair. Let the Rada play in independence, "here we take it, and in spite of Russia we will sell it without asking, that's what we are independent". Time is lost, what could have become the pride of the UVMF has become useless trash.
          3. Alekseev
            Alekseev 19 March 2014 14: 46
            +2
            Quote: aktanir
            the Chinese will buy and in two years the cruiser will turn into candy

            He is already over 20 years old.
            Specialists say that everything is morally obsolete, and physically ... It’s better to build a new one, it will be cheaper. Recall how many were rowing with an Indian aircraft carrier.
            But in general, it is a matter of specialists and competent calculation.
          4. ksan
            ksan 19 March 2014 14: 50
            +1
            aktanir RU Today, 13:28 ↑

            the Chinese will buy and in two years they will turn the cruiser into candy, and we will have to bite our elbows. Really it is impossible to agree. Are there any attempts at all? It all depends on the price that sellers set
            Were led wink Even under "Taburetkin". The Ukrainians wanted $ 40 million for him, but then they were told that Russia would take him only for "a gift" fellow
      3. CALL.
        CALL. 19 March 2014 14: 42
        +4
        However, on February 17, 1998, the President of Ukraine decided to complete the cruiser, after which the ship was completed, according to the Ukrainian side, by 95 percent.



    3. TAMERLAN 7
      TAMERLAN 7 19 March 2014 13: 24
      +26
      We must find a buyer and sell the cruiser as soon as possible, "the head of the region said.

      This is the Ukrainian answer to Russia for the annexation of Crimea! Know Ukraine! Terrible guys! Russia annexed Crimea, and they sold "Ukraine" ......
      It sounds wild and really symbolic!
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 19 March 2014 13: 46
        +5
        But the Chinese just can buy. Since nobody is going to ask Russia, they will at least sell them to the States, if only they would give them a denyuzhku.
        That's just how much they will give for it, this is a question.
      2. 77bob1973
        77bob1973 19 March 2014 14: 29
        +2
        The question begs, to whom? If they weren’t able to sell for 20 years, then all the more so, I think China doesn’t need it either, since it’s very old and rather complicated, it’s not an aircraft carrier for you, it’s a complex range of weapons!
      3. rasputin17
        rasputin17 19 March 2014 14: 34
        +3
        Russia annexed Crimea, and they sold "Ukraine" ......


        Ukraine sold Ukraine !!)))))))))))) laughing
    4. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 19 March 2014 13: 29
      +7
      Quote: rolling the field
      How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ..." suggests itself "not on the move, minor repairs are needed, please do not call intermediaries ..."


      How much per kilogram?
    5. Doznanied
      Doznanied 19 March 2014 13: 35
      +3
      Yes, it sounds ambiguous "Ukraine - for cutting"!
    6. mamont5
      mamont5 19 March 2014 13: 52
      +6
      Quote: rolling the field
      How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ..." suggests itself "not on the move, minor repairs are needed, please do not call intermediaries ..."

      Alas, not "minor repairs". All the insides must be changed.
      1. housekeeper
        housekeeper 19 March 2014 14: 03
        +3
        Quote: mamont5
        Quote: rolling the field
        How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ..." suggests itself "not on the move, minor repairs are needed, please do not call intermediaries ..."

        Alas, not "minor repairs". All the insides must be changed.

        The same applies to the country "Ukraine"
      2. dmitreach
        dmitreach 19 March 2014 14: 06
        +4
        The only logical reason to buy this outdated, in every sense, long-term construction - donation (cannibalism) for three living cruisers. But even in this case ... (The first one, so to speak, went.) Ustinov has been renovated since 2011 and is very successful. There remains only symbolism in the form of "long-term construction - ukruiny".
        PS
        BOD "Ochakov" rested somewhere more symbolically.
        ZZY
        They will not be able to sell it without dismantling some weapons systems. According to international restrictions. Therefore, they have not sold to this day! Here we are talking not only about 16 launch containers ... And the only reason why SUDDENLY froze is the lack of money in the treasury of Ukraine.
      3. novobranets
        novobranets 19 March 2014 14: 31
        +2
        Quote: mamont5
        All the insides need to be changed.

        And not only the insides, probably the body elements responsible for the strength have undergone corrosion, only the diagnostics can take six months.
    7. Grenader
      Grenader 19 March 2014 14: 11
      +8
      Quote: tumbleweed
      How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ..." suggests itself "not on the move, minor repairs are needed, please do not call intermediaries ..."

      They need to be more careful in words. Our president has an excellent sense of humor - Tymoshenko wanted to remove the fleet from Ukraine; she succeeded, it can also happen in this case.
    8. Orik
      Orik 19 March 2014 15: 21
      +1
      Quote: rolling the field
      suggests itself "not on the move, minor repairs are needed, please do not call intermediaries ..."

      What minor repairs, it is said unequivocally:
      any modernization of the cruiser according to the criterion "cost - efficiency" today seems completely devoid of
      it is necessary to completely remove and dispose of previously installed equipment, which after 20 years of "storage" is unlikely to be suitable for operation

      Modernization cruisers Of Ukraine is impossible, it is necessary to remove and throw to the landfill previously installed equipment the elite.
    9. sens99.ru
      sens99.ru 19 March 2014 15: 38
      +1
      6 million hryvnia per month? For this money you can finish the aircraft carrier. Officials lied, and then they run into us!
    10. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 19 March 2014 17: 10
      +1
      Quote: rolling the field
      How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ..." suggests itself "not on the move, minor repairs are needed, please do not call intermediaries ..."


      It is urgently necessary to raise the "Ochakov" BOD and present it to the city of Nikolaev, exactly across the forway.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 19 March 2014 19: 16
        +2
        Quote: Geisenberg
        It is urgently necessary to raise the "Ochakov" BOD and present it to the city of Nikolaev, exactly across the forway.

        The shipyard in Nikolaev has not let out large-capacity vessels for a long time, now it’s almost ruin. They are trying to make yachts for the rich, but this is ridiculous compared to the huge complex.A simple towing of this monster requires first revising the entire steering complex, everything has soured there over 20 years.
  2. svp67
    svp67 19 March 2014 13: 13
    +8
    We must find a buyer and sell the cruiser as soon as possible, "the head of the region said.

    Quote: tumbleweed
    How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ...

    Maybe one of the oligarchs will buy a yacht for himself ...
    1. Serg 122
      Serg 122 19 March 2014 14: 28
      0
      Ukraine for sale ...
      Maybe one of the oligarchs will buy a yacht for himself ...

      Then by the cottage ... (joke!) laughing
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 19 March 2014 14: 35
        +1
        Quote: Serg 122
        Then at the cottage ...

        Under the government cottage, collect them (the government) at this cottage, tow away and arrange for our submarines to conduct training firing.
    2. ksan
      ksan 19 March 2014 15: 00
      +1
      Quote: rolling the field
      How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ...
      Yes indeed fellow True, they "knocked" the name (letters) off the boards and in the documents decided to continue to refer to IT as object N. But the essence does not change from this.
  3. GAndr
    GAndr 19 March 2014 13: 14
    +5
    I think China will not mind buying ...
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 19 March 2014 13: 16
      0
      How much metal will he pull?
    2. SHOCK.
      SHOCK. 19 March 2014 13: 16
      +1
      Quote: GAndr
      I think China will not mind buying ...

      If only at the price of scrap metal. The Chinese are able to count money.
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 19 March 2014 13: 18
      +13
      No, they don’t need, they have a different level. If it were necessary, they would have bought a long time ago. In fact, they have all the systems, except for the Volcano - which they can not get in any way.

      Here are the modern PLA fleet ships - the second 052D destroyer to be tested.
      1. ksan
        ksan 19 March 2014 14: 42
        +1
        donavi49 UA Today, 13:18 PM ↑ New

        No, they don’t need, they have a different level. If it were necessary, they would have bought a long time ago. In fact, they have all the systems, except for the Volcano - which they can not get in any way.
        I agree that without "Vulcan" it is not necessary for China, not for India. By the way, infa about the "negotiations" on the acquisition of a cruiser by China slipped periodically both in the 90s and in the early 2000s, but due to the impossibility of acquiring and installing the Volcanoes and some other secret "things" on the ship, they ended in nothing bully And without THIS ("Volcano", etc.) this ship is not needed "over the hill", well, if only for scrap.
      2. Samaritan
        Samaritan 19 March 2014 14: 48
        0
        Warships of the Navy of the People's Republic of China
        Yeah, goat slaughter ... They still have not digested Ukrainian bison ...

        Carriers "Liaoning"
        URO destroyers Type 051C · Type 052 · Project 956E · Type 052B · Project 956EM · Type 052C · Type 052D · Type 055
        Destroyers Anshan Type · Type 051 · Type 051B
        Frigates Type 053 · Type 053H2G · Type 053H3 · Type 054 / 054A
        Corvettes Type 056
        Missile boats Type 024 · Type 021 · Type 037 · Type 022
        UDC Type 071
        SSBNs Type 092 "Xia" · Type 094 "Jin" · Type 096 "Tien"
        ICAPL Type 091 "Han" · Type 093 "Shan" · Type 095
        DEPL Type 031 · Type 033 “Wuhan” · Type 035 “Min” · Type 039 “Song” · Project 877EKM · Project 636 · Type 041 “Yuan”
    4. TAMERLAN 7
      TAMERLAN 7 19 March 2014 13: 31
      +5
      Quote: GAndr
      I think China will not mind buying ...

      China is building such ships that they hardly even need such scrap metal!
      I won’t say a bad word about the Atlas project 1164, had it been a combat-ready 1164, they would have torn it off with my hands, but the ship turned into scrap metal. A new one is better than messing with it.
      "In the case of the sale of" Ukraine "on a cruiser, everything needs to be removed and redone, but based on the criterion" cost-effectiveness ", it looks more like" myrtyshkin's work, "he stressed.
  4. Altona
    Altona 19 March 2014 13: 15
    +10
    It seems they were going to fight, but the question is about selling a warship, almost ready ... Well, the logic of the junta ... fool
    1. Alex89
      Alex89 19 March 2014 13: 19
      +5
      Maybe he was 95% ready, but I don’t think that for all these years he remained in this state! I think it was already stolen that was less valuable. Perhaps there was only a case left.
    2. vbatov
      vbatov 19 March 2014 13: 22
      +3
      They have no rockets for him, and there are no one to pick up shells for the gun and the crew.
      1. lukke
        lukke 19 March 2014 13: 38
        +6
        They don’t have rockets either, and there are no one to pick up shells for the gun and the crew
        Well, it’s you getting excited ... they will put the national hvardeyceff = maidanut on the ship at the same time everyone will be given a paddle and a baseball bat with a shield - here you have speed, weapons and air defense equipment
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    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 March 2014 13: 39
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      It seems they were going to fight, but the question is about the sale of a warship, almost ready ..

      Yes, this stuff is rusty, there is nothing there on it. In military operations, it can be used only as a shelter from bullets.
      1. Ivan Russky
        Ivan Russky 19 March 2014 14: 14
        +1
        It is possible and in peace, as a target.
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      3. Altona
        Altona 19 March 2014 14: 31
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, this stuff is rusty, there is nothing there on it. In military operations, it can be used only as a shelter from bullets.

        ------------------------
        Even once you shmulit something, and then you can’t portray the death of the Varangian? For propaganda purposes ... fellow
  5. svp67
    svp67 19 March 2014 13: 15
    +3
    However, on February 17, 1998, the President of Ukraine decided to complete the cruiser, after which the ship was completed, according to the Ukrainian side, by 95 percent.
    Yes, only the remaining 5% is an armament complex, which is produced only in Russia ... So, a cruiser without a weapon is a self-propelled target ...
  6. sop.ov
    sop.ov 19 March 2014 13: 16
    +2
    The unfinished missile cruiser "Ukraine", which has been standing at the Nikolaev Shipyard named after 61 Communards for many years, must be immediately sold without asking permission from Russia.
    There is a better option - in the ultimatum order to demand to exchange it for the Crimea. With a laugh, defuse the tense international situation around Crimea. drinks wassat
  7. Alex89
    Alex89 19 March 2014 13: 16
    +2
    Yeah! The ship is a pity!
  8. Monk
    Monk 19 March 2014 13: 17
    0
    Quote: rolling the field
    How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ..." suggests itself "not on the move, minor repairs are needed, please do not call intermediaries ..."


    I think in a couple of days they will come to us with an offer to purchase lol
    1. major071
      major071 19 March 2014 14: 04
      +6
      Earlier there were proposals to Russia to purchase it, but only ours refused, they said that scrap metal should be bought at the price of scrap, and not at the requests that Ukraine wanted. There are two options: either they will have time to hand over it for "pennies", or we will have another heap of scrap for free. yes
  9. Belarus
    Belarus 19 March 2014 13: 18
    +5
    laughing Except for laughter, the statement of the head of the Nikolaev regional state administration cannot cause. Besides it cannot be called cheap show-offs (izv for jargon).
    Even if this cruiser was announced and would be ready, no one except Ukraine would buy it from Russia (there is still such a country). Would it not be clear fool Ukrainian bureaucrats.
    And then you don’t need to ask, we won’t ask pah, it’s just ridiculous! And if it were necessary, they would ask and would not go anywhere.
    1. Curculum
      Curculum 19 March 2014 13: 26
      +1
      Quote: Belarus
      Except for laughter, the statement of the head of the Nikolaev regional state administration cannot cause. Besides it cannot be called cheap show-offs (izv for jargon).

      After what happened, we should not do anything to Russia and no one will consult with it.

      In vain he said it, oh in vain ...
  10. konvalval
    konvalval 19 March 2014 13: 18
    +10
    Nationalize as the Black Sea Fleet of Ukraine for debts. We can even leave the name. We love Ukraine.
  11. svp67
    svp67 19 March 2014 13: 19
    +3
    “Today, the issue of selling the Ukraine cruiser becomes more relevant than ever. After what has happened, we don’t have to do anything to Russia and no one will consult with it. We have to find a buyer and sell the cruiser as soon as possible,” said the head of the region.

    It seems that Nikolaev’s measures are not going to ask permission from the Kiev authorities ... I can tell you that there are not bad centers for the acceptance of scrap metal in Sevastopol, they give a good price ...
  12. JonnyT
    JonnyT 19 March 2014 13: 20
    +7
    except sad sarcasm, this news does not cause anything. On the one hand, the thieves' power characterizes itself symbolically, and on the other, it’s a pity that this ship, with huge potential, never saw the sea with the Russian Navy
  13. propolsky
    propolsky 19 March 2014 13: 22
    +4
    And why does the head of the regional state administration manage the military property? It is necessary to deal with the national economy according to the position: to build houses and roads for people, to raise utilities. Or "rob the loot"?
    1. svp67
      svp67 19 March 2014 13: 24
      +1
      Quote: propolsky
      Or "rob the loot"?

      in the treasury "the mouse hanged herself" ...
    2. alex-s
      alex-s 19 March 2014 13: 30
      +3
      And why does the head of the regional state administration dispose of military property?

      Looks like his chuyka works well! Soon get under the seat! So at least have something to sell!
  14. Per se.
    Per se. 19 March 2014 13: 24
    +3
    "" In the case of the sale of "Ukraine" on a cruiser, everything needs to be removed and redone, but, based on the criterion "cost - efficiency", it looks more like "myrtyshkin work", - he stressed. "So is" monkey work "? The Chinese didn't think so when they bought and completed the aircraft carrier.Well, we riveted new cruisers and destroyers, like my grandmother bakes pies, but no, we push corvettes for several years, and when we begin to build ships of the first rank, it is still a question of distant prospects There is no need to squander the opportunities to strengthen the fleet, firstly, the time is getting hotter, and secondly, here, at least, technical expertise is needed for any statements, and, moreover, we have three cruisers from this series in service. older age.
    1. Anuarkz
      Anuarkz 19 March 2014 13: 45
      +2
      As far as it is known, the brother of Ukraine, the cruiser Marshal Ustinov, is now being repaired in the Zvezdochka shipyard after him in 2015, the cruiser Moscow will take his place. I think the naval ones do not want to take Ukraine because now the ship has no place to repair and modernize, but by 2016 after the release of Zvezdochka's facilities, the situation may well change
    2. housekeeper
      housekeeper 19 March 2014 13: 58
      0
      "" In the case of the sale of "Ukraine" on a cruiser, everything needs to be removed and redone, but, based on the criterion "cost - efficiency", it looks more like "myrtyshkin work", - he stressed. "So is" monkey work "? The Chinese did not think so when they bought and completed the aircraft carrier.
      20 million green is a big price for an aircraft carrier hull? Yes, and "Varyag" at the time of sale was 15 years younger than the currently offered cruiser.
  15. itr
    itr 19 March 2014 13: 27
    0
    If only for scrap
  16. Voenruk
    Voenruk 19 March 2014 13: 27
    +1
    The head of the regional state administration has rather exceeded his rights) Go about your business, comrade!)
  17. Commandor
    Commandor 19 March 2014 13: 28
    +3
    Quote: rolling the field
    How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ..." suggests itself "not on the move, minor repairs are needed, please do not call intermediaries ..."

    I recall a case, or maybe an anecdote on this topic about GAZ-21 ..
    It was originally planned that the car will be called the "Homeland". Upon learning of this, Joseph Stalin ironically asked: “How much will you sell your homeland?”. This option was immediately replaced by a more successful one, symbolizing the victory of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War.
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 19 March 2014 13: 36
      +1
      Don’t be silly - the Volga began to be stamped in 1956. Stalin had been in the mausoleum for three years.
    2. Per se.
      Per se. 19 March 2014 13: 41
      +4
      Quote: Commandor
      I recall a case, or maybe an anecdote on this topic about GAZ-21 ..
      Not GAZ-21, but GAZ-M20 Pobeda, the original name, indeed, was supposed to be "Motherland". However, if you turn things around like that, it’s not very good to sell your victory either. As for the cruiser, it would be better if we bought the "Ukraine", even if there were only propaganda and ideology, a play on words and meaning.
    3. Andrey57
      Andrey57 19 March 2014 13: 46
      +1
      “How much will you sell your homeland?”

      Mistake - this is about the car "Victory" Stalin had a conversation laughing
  18. Voenruk
    Voenruk 19 March 2014 13: 29
    0
    "And how much is our Motherland today?" XD
  19. indiggo
    indiggo 19 March 2014 13: 32
    0
    damn it’s already tired, they already sell it and sell it am, The Chinese do not need it, They already make much more modern Ships, if the ship was with the main caliber, then you could still think the Chinese.
    the only ones who need this ship are us, we need it as a donor for our 1164.
  20. mvv
    mvv 19 March 2014 13: 33
    -1
    Ukraine is for sale, but THIS IS A TURN!
  21. mountain
    mountain 19 March 2014 13: 35
    0
    Much more symbolic, at first they sold the country to Ukraine, and then the cruiser Ukraine. Remained chernozem.
    1. indiggo
      indiggo 19 March 2014 13: 36
      +1
      another soul can be sold laughing
      1. Ivan Russky
        Ivan Russky 19 March 2014 14: 21
        +1
        Quote: indiggo
        another soul can be sold laughing

        It has long been sold for evergreens.
        1. housekeeper
          housekeeper 19 March 2014 18: 30
          0
          Quote: Ivan Russian
          Quote: indiggo
          another soul can be sold laughing

          It has long been sold for evergreens.

          And, first of all, they drove the soul, and then everything else.
  22. Commandor
    Commandor 19 March 2014 13: 37
    +1
    Quote: Voenruk
    "And how much is our Motherland today?" XD

    It is not necessary to apply the high, truly spiritual word Homeland to the gangs of an illegitimate government. They do not know such a word. The Kiev junta raised money and power into an idol.
    The homeland of an honest worker, engineer, serviceman is his own, as they understand her and at the same time she is ours. I am sure that in Ukraine they love their homeland no less than we love our homeland in Russia. Both there and we have honest and decent people. This is not to be forgotten. I will ask you to keep this in mind. soldier
  23. Vedmed_23
    Vedmed_23 19 March 2014 13: 37
    0
    Quote: rolling the field
    How symbolic: "Ukraine is on sale ..." suggests itself "not on the move, minor repairs are needed, please do not call intermediaries ..."

    Only repairs in Ukraine need CAPITAL crying
  24. Arh
    Arh 19 March 2014 13: 37
    +1
    A little later, Southeast will become part of the Russian Federation, and everything will go to Russia !!! ***
  25. sop.ov
    sop.ov 19 March 2014 13: 37
    0
    Quote: Monk
    I think in a couple of days they will come to us with an offer to purchase lol

    I repeat ... Or exchange to the Crimea. fellow
  26. darksoul
    darksoul 19 March 2014 13: 38
    +2
    It is sold without the demand of Russia ..... but does anyone need it except us as a donor ship for Moscow, Varangian, Ustinov?

    Present fraternally, unload it will be .... 6 million per month will not pay. Although for me it’s better to sort out our eagles, one already started to eat two more, if only not under the knife
  27. Armata
    Armata 19 March 2014 13: 40
    +2
    But I’m interested. With what fright of the cruiser of the 1164 project (Atlant) are outdated? Russia is modernizing them quite successfully. Native Ustinov is waiting for modernization. Or is it profitable for us, but let's say a foreign buyer doesn’t?
  28. loginovich
    loginovich 19 March 2014 13: 40
    +1
    “Today, the issue of selling the Ukraine cruiser becomes more relevant than ever. After what has happened, we don’t have to do anything to Russia and no one will consult with it. We have to find a buyer and sell the cruiser as soon as possible,” said the head of the region.


    It is curious who dares to buy a controversial cruiser without the permission of Russia other than the large NATO countries. Then the question is, do they need it?
  29. GAndr
    GAndr 19 March 2014 13: 40
    +2
    Quote: donavi49
    No, they don’t need, they have a different level. If it were necessary, they would have bought a long time ago. In fact, they have all the systems, except for the Volcano - which they can not get in any way.

    Here are the modern PLA fleet ships - the second 052D destroyer to be tested.


    Do you feel the difference between a destroyer and a cruiser? China is not capable of building cruiser-class ships from scratch and it is not known when it will be able to. In order to learn them, they can just buy the "Ukraine", just as they bought an aircraft carrier.
  30. upasika1918
    upasika1918 19 March 2014 13: 42
    +1
    Previously, it might have worked. I don't think anyone would dare to buy now. In general, "I will sleep my hut to spite my neighbor. Let the smoke breathe."
  31. Commandor
    Commandor 19 March 2014 13: 45
    0
    Quote: Per se.
    Quote: Commandor
    I recall a case, or maybe an anecdote on this topic about GAZ-21 ..
    Not GAZ-21, but GAZ-M20 Pobeda, the original name, indeed, was supposed to be "Motherland". However, if you turn things around like that, it’s not very good to sell your victory either. As for the cruiser, it would be better if we bought the "Ukraine", even if there were only propaganda and ideology, a play on words and meaning.

    I apologize, the name of the car was written from memory. winked
  32. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 19 March 2014 13: 47
    +2
    "Kiev intends to sell Ukraine" - this is how to write ... without quotation marks.
  33. Burmistr
    Burmistr 19 March 2014 13: 49
    +1
    laughing
    have a good laugh together!
    I wonder if they will rename this trough before selling it?
  34. Commandor
    Commandor 19 March 2014 13: 50
    +2
    Quote: Dragon-y
    "Kiev intends to sell Ukraine" - this is how to write ... without quotation marks.


    I think it’s better that way - A flock of maydanutnyh banderlog sells Ukraine. Describes the situation in Ukraine more accurately.
  35. Wiruz
    Wiruz 19 March 2014 13: 52
    +1
    It seemed like they were going to sell Russia, and at a purely symbolic price. Now, the stump is clear, it will be sold to either the Turks or Amers. No, this cannot be allowed, if it would be better then Russia would drown him than allow him to surrender.
  36. Siberian19
    Siberian19 19 March 2014 13: 54
    0
    good ship! urgently need to arrange a referendum in Nikolaev! there is still a lot of tasty, or have you already squandered everything?
    1. housekeeper
      housekeeper 19 March 2014 14: 15
      +3
      Quote: Siberian19
      good ship! urgently need to arrange a referendum in Nikolaev! there is still a lot of tasty, or have you already squandered everything?

      Now from the "tasty" in Nikolaev there are only NGZ (Nikolaev Alumina Refinery), but it already belongs to Deripaska, and Zarya-Mashproekt (design and production of gas turbine units) survives due to orders from abroad, including Russia. All other enterprises are either destroyed and in the stage of destruction (mentioned in the article "plant named after 61 Communards", "Black Sea shipbuilding plant", etc.), or "are breathing in incense" (plant "Ocean")
      PS Information indicated by me may not be completely correct, because it is based on what I saw with my own eyes and what I heard with my own ears laughing . Could be wrong what
  37. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 19 March 2014 13: 55
    0
    However, on February 17, 1998, the President of Ukraine decided to complete the cruiser, after which the ship was completed, according to the Ukrainian side, by 95 percent.
    Here they are able to throw dust in their eyes:
    1. The President of Ukraine decided to complete the cruiser.
    2. After which the ship was completed, according to the Ukrainian side, by 95 percent
    A ship can be considered completed when it is 100% ready, and not 95% ready. bully
    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 19 March 2014 14: 31
      0
      95% !!))) laughing Cheap show-offs !!!)) Looking at a photo a piece of rusty iron !!!
  38. Ek.Sektor
    Ek.Sektor 19 March 2014 13: 56
    0
    Not quite on the topic question, but do we have equipment with the name "Russia" in service? I don't seem to have met, but maybe I don’t know something winked
  39. alex56
    alex56 19 March 2014 13: 57
    +1
    If they sell not to us (and this will most likely still be). In my opinion, we have only 2 outputs:
    1. Take yourself and Nikolaev after the Crimea.
    2. To sink the "Ukraine", I hope the Black Sea Fleet sailors will carry out such an operation without any problems.
    But for me 1 option is preferable)))
  40. Yuri Sev Caucasus
    Yuri Sev Caucasus 19 March 2014 13: 57
    0
    Yes, they offered it to us, but inadequately appreciated. And we offered them to buy it at the price of scrap, they did not want. Now they themselves will offer scrap for the price!
  41. Coffee_time
    Coffee_time 19 March 2014 13: 58
    0
    Yes, the junta on SMS didn’t beat the money, so sell the ship, at least something. Suddenly enough for something
  42. nas leonid
    nas leonid 19 March 2014 14: 03
    0
    "Ukraine" I think you can buy not expensive, modernization at the place of construction.
    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 19 March 2014 14: 29
      0
      The game is not worth the candle !!
  43. mithridate
    mithridate 19 March 2014 14: 07
    +3
    the statement of the head of the regional administration is nothing more than an attempt to yap toward Russia to curry favor with the Kiev gang
  44. Vi_RUS
    Vi_RUS 19 March 2014 14: 07
    +1
    all the same, it’s a pity, the ship is very good, and restoration can not be more expensive than building with the creation of a new project, and this is the last carabule of project 1164. Do not be silly. If he would be so bad, the cruiser Moscow, the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet would have already been cut and replaced.
  45. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 19 March 2014 14: 11
    0
    According to him, at present the state has no money for the completion of the cruiser and they are unlikely to appear in the near future. And the maintenance of the ship, according to Romanchuk, costs the budget over 6 million hryvnia per month.
    Yes, sell this cruiser to the head of the Nikolaev regional state administration Nikolai Romanchuk, even if at least it will bring some benefit to your country, instead of selling everything to anyone just to salt Russia. hi
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  47. kelevra
    kelevra 19 March 2014 14: 20
    0
    We already offered to buy it a few years ago, but they wanted fabulous money for this junk. Now, at least someone is not sure that Europe or the United States will buy it, only third world countries and then, at such a price that they more than once remember the advantageous offer of Russia.
  48. DimYang
    DimYang 19 March 2014 14: 21
    -1
    No need to throw weapons around. Although not combat-ready, it will not be suitable for just anyone to get it. The leadership of the Russian Black Sea Fleet needs to think about "inadvertently" flushing it. Better so, in my opinion.
  49. XLexx
    XLexx 19 March 2014 14: 27
    +1
    Unreliable sold, it is better not to get involved.
  50. rasputin17
    rasputin17 19 March 2014 14: 28
    +1
    They have experience selling unfinished construction to the Chinese and Turks !! For the period from 91-93 in Nikolaev, they cut into metal and sold two aircraft carriers of the "Kuznetsov" type that were supposed to go out and replenish the fleet with ships of this series! So they are not in the first !! And now the problem with finances in the impoverished budget of the self-proclaimed government is especially acute !!)))