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Instead of the "Octopus-K" and the "Centaur", the middle brigades may receive a "wheeled tank" based on the "Boomerang"

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Recent events have demonstrated that the mobile units of the modern army should be equipped with the so-called "wheeled tanks"that would greatly enhance the capabilities of medium brigades.


While heavy tracked vehicles were loaded onto platforms, personnel on armored personnel carriers and other wheeled vehicles were already hundreds of kilometers from the location of the parts.

Instead of the "Octopus-K" and the "Centaur", the middle brigades may receive a "wheeled tank" based on the "Boomerang"

Some military experts regret that the army in its time did not receive the BTR-90 Rostok, on the basis of which the Sprut-K was to appear, armed with an 125-mm cannon.

On the basis of the "Sprout" was supposed to place 152-mm howitzers, anti-aircraft missile and cannon complex, etc.

However, for a number of reasons, the Sprut-K never became a real machine, but instead it was planned to assemble the Italian Centaur B1 fire fighting vehicles. However, he did not live up to the testing of the hopes placed on him, and all the work in this direction was covered up. Although, we can assume: if the Italian wheeled tanks would still get into the troops, then soon their operation would be difficult due to the sanctions.


At present, there is hope that on the basis of the average unified wheeled combat platform "Boomerang" there will also appear a combat support vehicle or, as they are also called, a machine with heavy armament.

It is possible that the combat module, which was developed for the Sprut K, will take its place on the Boomerang. Thanks to the 125-mm gun "tank" "Boomerang" on firepower will be even equal to the T-90. After all, in addition to traditional ammunition machine will be able to fire and guided weapons.


The new version of the gun machine will get the perfect observation and aiming devices. Perhaps a remote-controlled anti-aircraft machine gun will appear on the turret.

It is possible that the designers like the Armata tank will install a fully automated uninhabited turret with a protected ammunition load on the Boomerang.
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  1. itr
    itr 19 March 2014 10: 35
    +7
    Most likely medium heavy and still there which brigades will not be at all
    see the trends slowly to divisions returning
    1. domokl
      domokl 19 March 2014 11: 43
      +1
      And what to be wise? Everything is already stolen ... pah invented before us ... Glory to comrade Stalin and the designers who invented the T-26 ... It remains only to equip this scheme in a modern way and that's it ... We are Russian ... Tanks we know how to do it, but there is no road ... So the lumps will need all one ...
      1. Commodus
        Commodus 19 March 2014 16: 05
        0
        Yes, how much whining throughout the site was when the Italian cars rolled on the landfill. Here, most likely, the information on them gathered the minuses, the pros learned. Although, as for me, the wheeled tank is an erroneous design.
    2. Yun Klob
      Yun Klob 19 March 2014 20: 47
      0
      Well, division brigades are not an obstacle. There were mobile brigades both in the USSR and in the rear road troops. They proved extremely positive.
  2. Tumbleweed
    Tumbleweed 19 March 2014 10: 36
    +8
    For a European theater winked In the Baltics, the roads are good, why spoil them with tracks?
    1. RUSLAN39
      RUSLAN39 19 March 2014 11: 08
      +1
      Indeed, why spoil them, at such a pace, and the Baltic states will become part of Russia)).
    2. Duke
      Duke 19 March 2014 11: 35
      +1
      A limited number of mobile fire support is not bad.
    3. AVV
      AVV 19 March 2014 13: 44
      0
      Quote: rolling the field
      For a European theater winked In the Baltics, the roads are good, why spoil them with tracks?

      The same is true, the Russian-speaking population will have to help in the Baltic states !!!
  3. PANZER
    PANZER 19 March 2014 10: 36
    +6
    For a blitzkrieg on European highways will do.
    1. PANZER
      PANZER 19 March 2014 10: 42
      0
      Unfortunately I can’t see who is minus, I would like to understand why smile
    2. zeleznijdorojnik
      zeleznijdorojnik 19 March 2014 10: 45
      +7
      For such cases, the T-80 is designed-low, powerful, armored, tenacious. Here is a tall, lightly armored shed-chest with bugs, not the fact that the tower will become normal, the engine is now being put on a decent armored vehicle, but it is not enough for the tank. What is a tank with bulletproof armor? I always believed that wheeled tanks are the lot of banana republics, chasing the palms of their internal enemies without RPGs.
      1. PANZER
        PANZER 19 March 2014 10: 50
        +1
        Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
        T-80

        I don’t argue, the tank is good, but how many of them remain in the troops, because new ones do not arrive ...
        Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
        not the fact that the tower will become normal

        normally get up if they want
        Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
        I always believed that wheeled tanks are the lot of banana republics, chasing the palms of their internal enemies without RPGs.

        in vain do you think so
        1. zeleznijdorojnik
          zeleznijdorojnik 19 March 2014 11: 14
          +1
          Well, about poor booking, do you agree? The vehicle has the right to exist in the form of a "reinforced" or "shock" armored personnel carrier, but not a TANK. And the tasks for solving this machine are different and the performance characteristics are not the same. As for the installation of the tower, I remember on the Ukrainian armored vehicles the cracks went without an additional 5-7 tons of load. In general, you shouldn't scoff at the BTR-80, you need a "cool tank" - you need to develop a new platform, you don't need it, there is nothing to do with the stupidity, we have 80-k and 82-k in the army, there are still parts from the BTR-70 to weapons, let them first be replaced.
          1. Andrew 447
            Andrew 447 19 March 2014 11: 34
            +3
            Colleagues, tankmen! You forgot an important aspect, that is shooting with the main caliber 125mm. When firing on the move, this box will stupidly stop, when firing from a place, it will roll back a couple of meters. And where is the pallet from the shot? An expensive and heavy (by weight) gun in a weakly protected case is nonsense, if it is crossed over it, it will peck at the barrel on small bumps. I think that an acceptable option is to put the Terminator module on this chassis.
          2. PANZER
            PANZER 19 March 2014 11: 41
            0
            Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
            The vehicle has the right to exist in the form of a "reinforced" or "shock" armored personnel carrier, but not a TANK.

            For this vehicle, the name "tank" is rather conditional than objective, apparently because of the caliber it was called a tank.
            Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
            And the tasks for solving this machine are different and TTX are not the same.

            Well, this is clear to the anti-tank hedgehog, what is there to argue
            Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
            As for the installation of the tower, I remember on Ukr armored personnel carriers the cracks went without additional 5-7 tons of load.

            This is why, not at all in the subject.

            It seems that in parallel with the development of such a machine, it is necessary to develop the concept of its combat use
      2. krpmlws
        krpmlws 19 March 2014 12: 12
        +1
        Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
        For such cases, the T-80 is designed-low, powerful, armored, tenacious. Here is a tall, lightly armored shed-chest with bugs, not the fact that the tower will become normal, the engine is now being put on a decent armored vehicle, but it is not enough for the tank. What is a tank with bulletproof armor? I always believed that wheeled tanks are the lot of banana republics, chasing the palms of their internal enemies without RPGs.

        This journalist, for the sake of words, called the car a tank, and so, of course, this is a self-propelled anti-tank artillery installation. It will complement the towed anti-tank guns.
  4. Coffee_time
    Coffee_time 19 March 2014 10: 37
    +1
    They understood that it was necessary to make a kick of the military-industrial industry so that brains would not float with fat and think about something else.
  5. Canep
    Canep 19 March 2014 10: 38
    +3
    It is useful only to marines, but interestingly it will not turn over if you shoot a gun turned 90 degrees, the return is rather large, and the chassis is light.
    1. zeleznijdorojnik
      zeleznijdorojnik 19 March 2014 10: 48
      +1
      It will not roll over, but the tower can skew, cracks will come from the shoulder strap, most likely this is not a cannon in the full sense, but a PU of an active projectile. By the way, "shoot a cannon" will not work, if only "take a shot from a gun".
      1. PANZER
        PANZER 19 March 2014 10: 54
        0
        Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
        It won’t roll over, but it can distort the tower, cracks will go from the shoulder strap

        )))))))) you have some decadent mood, it will be distorted, the cracks will go, you will not get far with such a mood

        we have one of the best school of tank building in the world, so everything will be great!
        1. zeleznijdorojnik
          zeleznijdorojnik 19 March 2014 11: 16
          +2
          Realistic mood of a tanker with a length of service of 25 years.
          1. Canep
            Canep 19 March 2014 12: 17
            0
            Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
            Realistic mood of a tanker with a length of service of 25 years.
            and a designer with over 10 years of experience.
            Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
            By the way, "shoot a gun" will not work

            I agree, I didn’t quite accurately put it, but in my opinion it is clear.
            1. PANZER
              PANZER 19 March 2014 13: 17
              0
              Quote: Canep
              and a designer with over 10 years of experience.

              Designer of what, sorry?
  6. Coffee_time
    Coffee_time 19 March 2014 10: 39
    -2
    Very hotstsa look at a model with a 152 mm gun
  7. pts-m
    pts-m 19 March 2014 10: 39
    -1
    it looks like a completely combat-ready machine, but it would be necessary to test it in action. And then it will become clear to everyone what it is. Let’s see the a-60 tanks in front of the Second World War if I’m not mistaken and the military operations showed them to be operational. And they chose the T-34.
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 19 March 2014 11: 43
      0
      Quote: PTS-m
      were in front of the second world tanks like a-60 if I'm not mistaken


      What kind of tanks are these? I have not heard.
      There were a-20 (the predecessor of t-34) before the war and t-60 (light) during the war.
    2. woron333444
      woron333444 19 March 2014 11: 50
      +1
      T-34 chose between A-20 and A-36, as I recall, can anyone correct
      1. zeleznijdorojnik
        zeleznijdorojnik 19 March 2014 12: 37
        +1
        A-20 and A-32 are both experimental, in the 39th year they were compared and recommended to finish the A-32. On the A-20, the armor was generally bulletproof.
    3. zeleznijdorojnik
      zeleznijdorojnik 19 March 2014 12: 35
      +1
      There was no concept of the main tank at that time - they chose not the T-34, but a pancake complex of the auto-armored forces - the T-60-70-80 with a platform (the Su-76 was built on them, the so-called "bitch"), the average T-34 ( everyone knows about him) and the heavy KV-1.
      1. zeleznijdorojnik
        zeleznijdorojnik 19 March 2014 12: 39
        +2
        Autocorrect text on this site pleases me - I typed it up - instead of "for" I wrote "b - la", in the end it turned out:
        and the complex pancake auto-armored forces - t-60
      2. mamont5
        mamont5 19 March 2014 12: 44
        0
        Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
        There was no concept of the main tank then - they chose not the T-34, but the complex pancake armored troops - t-60-70-80 with a platform (they built the su-76 on them, the so-called "bitch"), medium t-34 (everyone knows about it) and heavy KV-1.

        t-60, and even more so 70 and 80 was not there then, but was t-40 (floating, armed with a heavy machine gun and DT). At the beginning of the war, water navigation was abandoned and t-50 became, and t-60-70-80 its further development.
  8. pv1005
    pv1005 19 March 2014 10: 41
    0
    Perhaps it is possible that they will deliver, install, only dreams and fantasies. And what kind of new formation is the MIDDLE TEAM.
  9. svp67
    svp67 19 March 2014 10: 42
    0
    Urgently - to "metal", to the proving ground and to "military trials" and according to their results to decide ... But we must hurry ...
  10. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 19 March 2014 10: 42
    0
    Nda Crimea showed that we need mobile units. And they also need fire support equipment.
  11. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn 19 March 2014 10: 43
    0
    The Germans had something similar at the end of the war. I don’t remember the name :(
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      Alexey Prikazchikov 19 March 2014 11: 12
      +1
      The cougar was called. The heavy armored car according to the classification was.
  12. Aleksandr12
    Aleksandr12 19 March 2014 10: 46
    +2
    A wheeled tank is not for our theater, after good rain in our Chernozem region only caterpillar tractors do not get stuck smile . And in the villages there are no asphalt roads smile
  13. Navy7981
    Navy7981 19 March 2014 10: 48
    0
    "The Germans had something like that at the end of the war."
    Yes, any technique for certain tasks is similar. It's like a "wrench"
  14. shitovmg
    shitovmg 19 March 2014 10: 58
    +1
    I support, it is too heavy for our theater. Pulling out one will get stuck ... stop
  15. bender8282
    bender8282 19 March 2014 11: 04
    0
    the car is needed, but from the thought to the series it’s still far ... and there are enough such machines in the North Atlantic block
    1. woron333444
      woron333444 19 March 2014 11: 52
      +3
      the car is suitable for special forces and paratroopers for fast movement, and then the tanks are suitable
    2. alone
      alone 19 March 2014 19: 16
      0
      Quote: bender8282
      the car is needed, but from the thought to the series it’s still far ... and there are enough such machines in the North Atlantic block

      The North Atlantic block has a wide ramified network of paved roads, where these wheeled tanks can have some kind of effect. Now try to go with this tank
      off-road, especially during or after rain. You’ll have to keep an armored vehicle near each tank to pull it out of the dirt every five minutes. Caterpillars and only tracks
  16. kelevra
    kelevra 19 March 2014 11: 12
    +1
    This type of machine should be maneuverable and they should have the task of supporting the infantry. Why put tank guns and howitzers on them? Suffice the 100th gun, how to put destroyers on the destroyers and a few machine guns with a grenade launcher. With a large caliber, maneuverability will not get better and if you try to increase it all the same, you will have to install a powerful engine, and this will entail complication and enlargement of the case. I know what I'm writing, I was in factories where they not only build, but also design such machines, I wrote this according to the designers. And I completely share their opinion.
  17. GRAY
    GRAY 19 March 2014 11: 15
    +5
    The Cuban version of the BTR-60 with a gun of 100 mm caliber:
  18. max702
    max702 19 March 2014 11: 24
    +4
    Well, what is this perversion with a 125mm tank gun for? Who are you going to shoot at? There is a "NONA" based on a btr80, on a new chassis you can put a turret from the "VIENNA", and it is optimal to plug in the "Bakhcha-U" module and everything you need is not steamed! Someone again decided to fight with tanks on light armored vehicles? Isn't a highly specialized disposable combat unit bold? The infantry needs fire support, not just another tank destroyer. And in extreme cases, the shell of the 100mm Bakhchi-U cannon may well overwhelm any modern tank, it is designed for this, and a burst of 30mm will break the sights, damage the gun and the whole tank is unusable. and for other purposes, "Bakhchi" has a much richer assortment of weapons.
  19. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 19 March 2014 11: 33
    +7
    The Messenger of Mordovia again fantasizes: “there is hope”, “it is possible”, “maybe” ...

    Each equipment has its own theater.
    Once you decide to do unification, then you need to do unification:
    - Based on Almaty: tank, bmp, sau, zrak, bram, engineering cars and everything else.
    - At the base of Kurgan: the same.
    - At the Boomerang base: the same thing.
    Yes, on the basis of the Boomerang, armored personnel carriers and light tanks and self-propelled guns and zrak and other military and technical vehicles are needed. And Boomerang should be developed EXACTLY as a platform, this is being done.

    Finally, there were complaints that Rostock (Berezhok) froze early ... damn it, that it was possible to fight today.
    And then:
    - We dream about Boomerang,
    - We do not produce universal Rostock,
    - And we serve ... on the BTR-80 and BTR-82, where in addition to the firepower there is only the wonderful NONA (on wheels), and that's all ...

    Boomerang so far - dreams. More state tests and military exploitation are ahead, more than one year will pass when he appears in the LINEAR units.
    A BTR-90 ALREADY IS and with a simple tower and a triad. AND ALREADY IN METAL. Sticking other combat modules into it is not a problem, the base allows (more than 20 tons).

    BTR-90M with BM Bahcha-U:
    1. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 19 March 2014 11: 40
      +2
      Hi Aleksey! Absolutely true. Many countries of the world have already gone through this. Our talented and creative managers from the military-industrial complex need to find the files of the ZVO for the 70-80 years, there all these "creatives" have already been "sucked" by professionals from all sides.
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 19 March 2014 11: 57
        0
        Quote: Andrey 447
        Hi Aleksey!

        Andrew, good to hear.
        hi
        1. Andrew 447
          Andrew 447 19 March 2014 12: 02
          +1
          Have you escaped from the exercises?
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 19 March 2014 12: 33
            +1
            Quote: Andrey 447
            Have you escaped from the exercises?

            Andrey, a question for me?
            What are the teachings ...)))
            One day the "tower" splits, the next day the lungs do not breathe.
            In stock I ... a disabled pensioner.

            But the eyes are on fire. Hands are still strong. If nadot - get up in the STORY.
            yes
            drinks
            1. Andrew 447
              Andrew 447 19 March 2014 12: 43
              +1
              We are all young in soul, especially at such a time. But in which case the hand does not flinch.
      2. woron333444
        woron333444 20 March 2014 03: 48
        +1
        There would be someone else to do, there are no young animals in factories, only grandfathers. And no one to pass the experience
    2. Armata
      Armata 19 March 2014 13: 19
      +2
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Once you decide to do unification, then you need to do unification:
      - Based on Almaty: tank, bmp, sau, zrak, bram, engineering cars and everything else.
      - At the base of Kurgan: the same.
      - At the Boomerang base: the same thing.
      Yes, on the basis of the Boomerang, armored personnel carriers and light tanks and self-propelled guns and zrak and other military and technical vehicles are needed. And Boomerang should be developed EXACTLY as a platform, this is being done.

      Finally, there were complaints that Rostock (Berezhok) froze early ... damn it, that it was possible to fight today.
      And then:
      - We dream about Boomerang,
      - We do not produce universal Rostock,
      - And we serve ... on the BTR-80 and BTR-82, where in addition to the firepower there is only the wonderful NONA (on wheels), and that's all ...

      Boomerang so far - dreams. More state tests and military exploitation are ahead, more than one year will pass when he appears in the LINEAR units.
      And the BTR-90 ALREADY IS with a simple tower and a triad. AND ALREADY IN METAL. Sticking other combat modules into it is not a problem, the base allows (more than 20 tons).

      BTR-90M with BM Bahcha-U:
      Hi Aleksey. Everything about the case, I just want to add. Development is not the final product. The diversity of technology has been and always will be. Hoping for a miracle is not worth it. By the way, the production of TOS-1A was resumed.
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 19 March 2014 14: 03
        0
        Quote: Armata
        Development is not the final product. The diversity of technology has been and always will be. Hoping for a miracle is not worth it. By the way, the production of TOS-1A was resumed.

        Got it.
        You really try, hold your fists for YOU.
        Hold on, Zhen.
        drinks
  20. marder4
    marder4 19 March 2014 11: 34
    0
    so it’s only on roads or light off-road ...
    1. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 19 March 2014 11: 45
      0
      And nah_r_e_na us such a "taxi", only on the highway to ride. The 125 mm caliber is not for police operations, but for fighting the BTT of a potential enemy, and she rarely drives along the highway.
  21. VADEL
    VADEL 19 March 2014 12: 11
    0
    Our talented and creative managers from the military-industrial complex need to find the files of the ZVO for the 70-80 years, there all these "creatives" have already been "sucked" by professionals from all sides.

    Our non-professional managers do not need binder, they need fast and freebie money.
  22. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 19 March 2014 12: 12
    +1
    Advantages only in speed. and despite the fact that this is still an armored personnel carrier. if you strengthen the armor like a tank, then the weight will be 50 tons. I can imagine what kind of suspension is needed for such a tank. And how quickly she will be killed over rough terrain. In addition, when shooting, the car will swing so that the rate of fire will not be high, and the latter, judging by the photo, such a machine is almost a meter higher than the caterpillar tank.
  23. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 19 March 2014 13: 10
    0
    And it is not easier to saturate the troops with wheeled trailers for transporting conventional tanks. In my opinion, it will also turn out cheaper. In addition, the trailer can transport not only tanks. And to protect armored personnel carriers on the march, you can arm them with "chrysanthemums".
    1. zeleznijdorojnik
      zeleznijdorojnik 19 March 2014 13: 46
      0
      The video of the last week about the transfer of our equipment surprised me very much - a lot of new trailers based on KAMAZ most likely - back in 2008 (the year of my dismissal) there was no such wealth.
    2. zeleznijdorojnik
      zeleznijdorojnik 19 March 2014 13: 50
      0
      Protection from what? It would be more interesting to put the "Tunguska" on a wheeled chassis - many will answer me that there is a "Shell" - I agree, but the problem is the lack of armor on it - at least bulletproof.