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Italy reduces purchases of F-35 fighter

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Italy is reducing purchases of the F-35 fighter, but is not withdrawing from this program, said Prime Minister Matteo Renzi.

According to him, this decision is associated with a reduction in defense spending in the amount of about 1 billion euros annually.

In an interview with the TG5 television program, the Prime Minister said that “the program (F-35) will be continued, but adjusted,” and the number of aircraft purchased by Italy will be reduced.

Italy originally planned to purchase the F-131 fighter 35, but this time has reduced this number to 90 units due to financial constraints. The new coalition government of Italy, led by Matteo Renzi, plans to revise defense spending, which could lead to a further reduction in F-35 procurement.

The Democratic Party (DP), whose secretary is Renzi, last year offered to withdraw from the F-35 program and use the existing budget for the Typhoon fighter program of four European countries, in which Italy has 21 a percentage of stocks by purchasing these fighters instead of F-35 . In other words, one of the reasons for such a proposal was that the Eurofighter consortium guaranteed a proportional return on investment, while the F-35 program did not provide this. Italian parliamentarians are in favor of financing jobs in Italy, not in the United States or anywhere else. The proposed DP decision is related to the development of the Eurofighter before the final stage of the Tranche 3В (Tranche 3B) and the purchase of Typhoon fighter jets instead of F-35 to support jobs in Italy. However, this option requires an agreement with three other European partners in the Eurofighter program - the United Kingdom, Germany and Spain. Italy has already paid 2,5 billion euros for the F-35 program and may lose this money if it leaves it.

Another issue is the cost of operating the Eurofighter, which, according to some estimates, is on the order of 40 thousand euros per flight hour. For comparison, Italy has leased F-16 fighters, the cost of which is less than 16 thousand euros per hour of flight. The management of Eurofighter does not agree with this assessment and believes that the direct operating costs for one hour of the Typhoon flight is 15,1 thousand.

Reducing the number of F-35 is likely to meet the resistance of the Italian Air Force, which needs to replace the fleet of attack aircraft "Tornado" and AMX during the next 10 anniversary. The same objections can be made by the naval forces, requiring the replacement of short-takeoff and vertical landing fighters (AVAS) of the AV-8B and the maintenance of the fleet of combat aircraft.

The F-35 program is also supported by the Italian President Napoletano, despite its limited constitutional options, as well as the Finmeccanica state corporation, which includes Alenia Aermacchi, which participates in the F-35 program. Since the powers of the head of Finmeccanica, Alessandro Pans, expire in mid-April of this year, it is highly unlikely that he would act in opposition to government policy. Also, a number of appointments in many state-owned industrial companies in Italy are expected on April 19.

According to the Ministry of Defense, Italy will spend another 16,1 billion dollars on the F-35 program over the next 15 years, of which only more than half are planned to buy fighters. At the same time, it is expected that the acquisition of X-NUMX F-60A aircraft with conventional take-off and landing will be carried out at an average cost of 35 aircraft million euros (74 million dollars), and X-NUMX aircraft F-97,7B in the CWEL version with 30 million euros (35 million dollars) for the plane. At the same time, it is not clear whether these figures include the cost of engines, which are considered separately for the F-88 program.
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  1. domokl
    domokl 18 March 2014 10: 10
    +9
    And what for a goat button accordion? What are they seriously thinking of fighting with someone? With those with whom they fought in the post-war period, you can fly on piston ones, but at an adult, they will strangle them at airfields at once ...
    1. Trailer
      Trailer 18 March 2014 10: 50
      +5
      Nothing! Now Venice and Verona will separate, and the number of F-35s to order will have another pieces to ... completely stop the order!
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 18 March 2014 11: 24
        +1
        Do not pull pasta! First, as many as 131 units? Now only 90pcs?
        Are you looking at the end of the year and there will be no 50?
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  2. vorobey
    vorobey 18 March 2014 10: 11
    +1
    What happened. After all, even those promised support then.

  3. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 18 March 2014 10: 12
    +2
    It's time to abandon the expensive prodigy in favor of our aircraft.
    You tried to suck us lynxes, and we let you suck in something too.
    In general, it is not clear how Italy, in the current situation, generally invests there in US projects.
    Their budget has long been scarce.
    It’s time to invest in Crimea. In joint with Russian production.
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 18 March 2014 13: 23
      0
      Quote: mojohed2012
      It’s time to invest in Crimea

      Yeah, to the Crimea ?!
      Their oil and gas production company, on the contrary, was moved away from the Crimean shelf in connection with the events. Now they are urgently looking for another petroleum aunt.
  4. Vtel
    Vtel 18 March 2014 10: 14
    +6
    The Americans tightly tied the spaghettians - until the "cow" falls off the hooves, they will milk.
    1. pts-m
      pts-m 18 March 2014 11: 05
      +1
      that's for sure! right in the eye!
  5. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 18 March 2014 10: 16
    +2
    Italy is reducing purchases of the F-35 fighter, but is not withdrawing from this program, said Prime Minister Matteo Renzi.
    A subtle hint of thick circumstances ..?))
  6. Coffee_time
    Coffee_time 18 March 2014 10: 17
    +3
    Money began to count, or feel some kind of danger?
  7. ZU-23
    ZU-23 18 March 2014 10: 17
    +2
    Yes, let them fly on them themselves. The point of these F-35s is when Nato soon begins to lose his stupid power. Now on the news it was that the Americans would go to Europe, or rather Obama and Biden, to force Europe to impose serious sanctions against Russia, but Europe does not want to because it has 400 billion turnover with us and 40 billion with the Americans, so now they are among themselves start to bite.
  8. hz123
    hz123 18 March 2014 10: 18
    +3
    -signere premiere!
    -Well?
    “THIS IS ALL SUCH A PLANE!” I looked at the wiki
    - why not take off?
  9. Serge_SB
    Serge_SB 18 March 2014 10: 23
    +2
    And if there were YAK-141 with a bang would have taken ....
  10. vadson
    vadson 18 March 2014 10: 23
    +2
    the neighbor’s cow died ....
    a trifle of course, but another hit by the Harry program f35
    among sailors, the price will climb up as you like, and this will ultimately affect the number of aircraft purchases, a vicious circle, so to speak
  11. Aleksandr12
    Aleksandr12 18 March 2014 10: 27
    +2
    97,7 million dollars for a light fighter - a bit much, despite the fact that it is crammed with electronics at the most I can not. Would you develop yours or buy from us, the MIG-35 is several times cheaper and the combat capabilities are not much inferior to the F35 smile
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 18 March 2014 10: 40
      +1
      MIG-35 is several times cheaper and in combat capabilities is not much inferior to F35

      Partly disagree. With all the greatness of the Russian Airplane, the MiG will have an advantage over the Penguin only in close combat. Here the states are developing a new missile for him with a launch range of up to 180 km, unfortunately, MiG, in long-range combat, will have nothing to answer, well, or at least it will have to be tight.
      Hope I'm wrong
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 18 March 2014 15: 36
        0
        Quote: Wiruz
        With all the greatness of the Russian Airplane, the MiG will have an advantage over the Penguin only in close combat.


        I agree here!

        Quote: Wiruz
        Here the states are developing a new rocket for him with a launch range of up to 180 km


        You are probably talking about the AIM-120D ?! The Yankees seem to have already developed it, but they will most likely not put it into service, as far as I know.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 18 March 2014 10: 42
      0
      Quote: Aleksandr12
      97,7 million dollars for a light fighter - a bit much, despite the fact that it is crammed with electronics at the most I can not.

      Moreover, this price is without an engine ...
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 18 March 2014 11: 22
        +1
        And without customs clearance laughing How many cubes does he have? laughing
    3. supertiger21
      supertiger21 18 March 2014 15: 33
      +1
      Quote: Aleksandr12
      97,7 million dollars for a light fighter


      This is not entirely true, as far as I know. This is the price of the limited-capacity F-35B (version of the VTOL). But the F-35A with the start of production will cost $ 75-83 million, as people from Lockheed Martin and the Pentagon have stated.

      Quote: Aleksandr12
      MIG-35 is several times cheaper


      1,5 times cheaper - and this is its plus, but this is the plane of the previous generation, unlike the F-35, which is the 5th.

      Quote: Aleksandr12
      and in combat capabilities is not much inferior to the F35


      But almost it is, but the lack of stealth technologies greatly reduces the survivability of the MiG in the battle with Lightning, which has one.
  12. Gagarin
    Gagarin 18 March 2014 10: 33
    +4
    F-35 - I’ll probably put a monument in the future.
    Unprecedented divorce on the grandmother of WORLD SCALE!
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 18 March 2014 16: 25
      0
      Quote: Gagarin
      Unprecedented divorce on the grandmother of WORLD SCALE!


      Well, also keep in mind that this is not just one type of aircraft, but three as many unified by 70-90%. This is the second (!) Fighter in the history of US aviation that will be used simultaneously by the Air Force, Navy, and KMP - in 1960-1980 The F-4 Phantom was similar in this role.
  13. Gunsmith
    Gunsmith 18 March 2014 10: 45
    +1
    Italy acquires a strike aircraft ... For what purpose? For amers to fight in the Middle East? Otherwise, it just doesn’t go to the head. An aircraft of this class is designed to break through a high-tech and modern enemy air defense. This is present in Iran and Syria. Of Israel. That's all target designation. The second, as an option - the states simply get rid of the unnecessary and unfinished park. They themselves do not fly on the F-35, the car is not finished, the pilots die.
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 18 March 2014 14: 00
      +1
      Quote: Gunsmith
      The second, as an option - the states simply get rid of the unnecessary and unfinished park. They themselves do not fly on the F-35, the car is not finished, the pilots die.

      So far, no pilot died on the F-35, accidents occurred with the F-22.
      The time is right for the Americans to replace the fleet of F-15 and F-16 aircraft, it’s a costly business, here the United States draws its satellites into the process of acquiring these planes, the more they will be purchased, the cheaper they will be for the United States and this will reduce costs will replace their fleet of old fighters. But Italy has a crisis, they hoped for a loan, and then Ukraine.
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 18 March 2014 16: 50
        +1
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        replacement fleet F-15, F-16


        Everything is clear with the F-16, they will be completely replaced with the F-35A. And it is still unknown how things will be with the F-15C and F-15E, because. There is no direct replacement for them. The release of the Raptors has stopped, I do not think that the existing 180s of the 22nd will be able to completely replace the 15th.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 18 March 2014 17: 08
          +1
          Quote: supertiger21
          The release of the Raptors was stopped, I do not think that the existing 180s of the 22nd will be able to completely replace the 15th.

          As far as I know, they will upgrade the F-22 and V-1B and plan to produce 2600 F-35s for themselves, they are also working on a heavy drone. This is all that they are going to build until 2035, not counting the strategic bomber and space programs, then the 6th generation.
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 18 March 2014 17: 25
            0
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            then the 6th generation.


            By the way, at the expense of the 6th generation. Do you own information about what the US will have: a manned or conventional drone?
  14. propolsky
    propolsky 18 March 2014 10: 58
    -1
    Well, Italy doesn’t care about all this tramp, of them warriors, like from ... pomegranate, would sit quietly and enjoy the climate and football, and Milan has not been happy for a long time, it's time to throw some money.
  15. uhu189
    uhu189 18 March 2014 10: 58
    0
    But I don’t understand either - if they need fighters for the needs of the country's air defense - then it’s more logical to buy cheaper cars. And if for offensive and strike operations - so maybe for a start it makes sense to take care of tankers, AWACS aircraft, jammers and other support planes than to buy an expensive latest aircraft? After all, the latest war in Libya showed that the EU Air Force is not able to independently carry out any serious operations, because there were not enough tankers, no scouts, or even transports ... All this was undertaken by the United States. Why then such show-offs if all the features and advantages of the F-35 are simply not realized?
  16. Nayhas
    Nayhas 18 March 2014 11: 24
    +1
    Italian parliamentarians advocate job financing in Italy, not in the United States or elsewhere.

    Unclear. The factory for the production of F-35 was built in Italy and this year it is planned to produce the first car. What did not suit these jobs?
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 18 March 2014 15: 40
      0
      Quote: Nayhas
      The factory for the production of F-35 was built in Italy and this year it is planned to produce the first car. What did not suit these jobs?


      Yes, it’s probably not the problem here. The Italian simply cannot choose between the American F-35 and the European Eurofighter Typhoon. Although in their place between the 5th and 4th generation fighter, I would like to choose the first.
  17. bender8282
    bender8282 18 March 2014 12: 02
    0
    right! buy our DRY and MiGs! preferably used
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 18 March 2014 15: 42
      0
      Quote: bender8282
      buy our DRY and MIG!


      They certainly won’t buy dryers, fighters are of course excellent, but still heavy class. The MiG-35 will not be taken due to the lack of mass production of this aircraft.
  18. Arh
    Arh 18 March 2014 12: 02
    0
    Fighter F-35, honestly I love Russian weapons !!!
  19. supertiger21
    supertiger21 18 March 2014 15: 47
    +1
    Italians had a difficult choice. However, why should they buy Eurofighter, if they already have them in their arsenal. Of course, the Typhoon in flight performance is at a height in front of its somewhat "fat" competitor, but in terms of stealth technologies and avionics, it is far from the Penguin. It would be more correct to buy the F-35, because. he is the next generation fighter.
  20. kelevra
    kelevra 18 March 2014 16: 53
    0
    Still, the Americans themselves have so many problems with them, where are the guarantees that it will be delivered to Italy and other countries without flaws!