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Razdray in the fog

Razdray in the fog

1 border rank patrol ship of the 22100 "Ocean" project

According to the commander-in-chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Viktor Chirkov, the fleet refused to create a corvette for the protection of the water area (OVR), and instead it is planned to build patrol ships (according to the international classification - offshore patrol vessel or OPV).


IAD ships are designed to protect and ensure safe navigation in the areas of naval bases and in the adjacent waters. These include small anti-submarine (IPC) and rocket ships (MRK), missile boats (RCA), base and roadster minesweepers. Simply put, they stand guard over the coast of the country.

The Corvette OVR with a displacement of less than 2 thousand tons, for the development of a draft project of which last year 475 thousand rubles were allocated from the budget, was to replace outdated IPC of 1124М and 1331М projects, IRN of 12341 project, РКА 12411 project in the future. and minesweepers. It is clear that with a sufficiently limited displacement, the OVR corvettes could not simultaneously carry strike, anti-submarine and mine-carrying weapons. Therefore, it was provided for its modular container placement. Depending on the tasks performed, the ships had to change modules.

With all the seeming appeal of this solution, this is a difficult and costly affair.

The first to apply such technology were Danes on 14 ships of the Flyvefisken type, built on the Standard Flex 300 program, but as a result, due to the high operating costs, these relatively new combat units were abandoned.

The Americans, who intended to deploy them in littoral warships of the Freedom and Independence types, also burned themselves on the modular container system. These doroguschih high-speed ships with a displacement of about 3000 t come into the US Navy, but the modules for them are still being created, and they will cost very expensive. Not to mention that any missile boat in the coastal zone can easily cope with these masterpieces of shipbuilding art.

It would be foolish to completely dismiss the modular-container armament system, but first you need to create these modules, test and work them out, and then deploy them on ships. That is why the refusal to develop an IAD corvette seems reasonable. But what instead of him?


According to Admiral Viktor Chirkov, the tasks of the OVR ships are currently carried out by coastal surveillance equipment, stationary sonar stations and coastal missile and artillery troops, as well as anti-submarine and shock aviation. In theory, with some stretch, you can agree with the commander in chief. But, alas, the Russian Navy has nothing of the kind, or is available in limited quantities. Otherwise, to ensure the safety of the Sochi Olympics from the sea, it would not be necessary to pull together about 20 ships of the Navy and Coast Guard (BOKHR), not counting dozens of FSB special forces boats, fleet and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the police, the FSO, as well as the Ministry of Emergencies and Rosmorport. The missile cruiser "Moscow" and the patrol ship "Inquisitive" took part in this layered operation. But the main burden of service on the part of the Black Sea Fleet fell on the share of anti-sabotage boats of the Grachonok type, MPK Aleksandrovets and Muromets, as well as RTOs, RCAs and minesweepers, which belong to the ships of the water area protection. But the coastline of the Russian Federation is not limited to 100 kilometers of the Sochi coast.

After the end of the Cold War, it became known that NATO naval experts, based on numerous exercises and staff games, concluded that in the event of war with the USSR, it would take several hours for the destruction of large surface ships of the Soviet fleet in the seas and oceans. However, the NATO Navy was completely helpless in the near-sea zone. The ships of the OVR of the Navy of the USSR and the countries of the Warsaw Pact, supported by coastal aviation, coastal missile and artillery units, even when staging minefields tightly closed the approaches to the shores of their countries, leaving no chance for the enemy to win.

What has changed since then? The few remaining OVR ships built in Soviet times live out their time without waiting for replacement. Coastal attack aviation of the Navy is exhausted, anti-submarine is also in decline. Coastal missile units thinned out. Here is such a bleak picture.


Today our fleet is directed to the ocean. There, according to the commander in chief, patrol ships will soon appear - with less strong armament than surface ships of other classes, but with greater autonomy and versatility. February 26 at the Zelenodolsk plant named after A.M. Gorky hosted the laying of a patrol ship of the 22160 project developed by the Northern Design Bureau. Its displacement is about 1500 t, length - 94 m, width 14 m, draft - 3,4 m. The crew is small - about 80 people. The main power plant of the ship is a combined diesel-gas turbine power 25 thousand kW, capable of providing the ship with the maximum 30-nodal speed. The cruising range of a ship at an economic speed reaches 6 thousand miles, while autonomy is 60 days. The armament of the ship, of course, is modest: one 57-mm automatic artillery, the Igla MANPADS, anti-sabotage grenade launchers and large-caliber machine guns. In the aft part there is a helipad capable of receiving a Ka-27 helicopter with its storage in a telescopic hangar. Provision is made for a fixed inflatable type interceptor boat. However, other equipment options are possible. The ship also has radio and hydroacoustic weapons, electronic countermeasures.

Experts of the Northern PKB took the platform as the basis of their patrol ship, which was previously offered as a border patrol ship of the oceanic zone, and then in a revised form as a IWR corvette. The Northern PKB has a huge experience in creating surface ships, so there is no doubt that the project of this ship has turned out to be good. Zelenodolsk plant named after AM. Gorky also does not need any special recommendations. At this shipyard in the middle reaches of the Volga, a queue of representatives of power structures is lined up. Shipbuilders of Tatarstan collect ships well and on time. For two years in a row, they hold leadership in the number of combat units transferred to the Russian Navy.

Here I have to apologize to the staff of this company. In the article “38 parrots and three“ rooks ”, published in“ Independent Military Review ”No. 1 from 17.01.14, I pointed out that“ we barely had time for the new year ”to hand over to the fleet two small rocket ships of the 21631“ Buyan-M ”project - "Grad Sviyazhsk" and "Uglich". It turns out, Zelenodolsk plant had. Last December, representatives of the Russian Navy signed acceptance acts, however, naval commanders for some unknown reason vetoed this information.

But back to the patrol ships. Why they are needed by the Russian Navy, which is experiencing a real hunger due to the melting number of full-fledged warships, is unclear. As usual in such cases, refer to foreign experience. Yes, for example, in the Navy of the United Kingdom and the Netherlands there are patrol ships, OPV, according to their classification, which perform the police functions of controlling the exclusive economic zone and waters of their overseas territories, and can also be used to fight pirates. And all because the coast guard forces at the disposal of these countries are only intended to ensure navigational safety in coastal waters, carry out search and rescue operations and combat pollution of the environment.

Usually, border and police tasks, including in Russia, the United States, as well as in most other countries, are assigned to the SEC. Patrol ships carry weak weapons and cannot be counted as combat ships. Why are they to the Russian fleet? Their only reasonable use is training of naval personnel in long voyages. But for this it is better to build new training ships, since the old ones are already worn out to the extreme.


It seems that the command at the expense of cheap and of little use to the fleet of ersatz ships intends to artificially "inflate" the numerical composition of the Navy. Here you can only shrug. Then they are telling us about the need for nuclear aircraft carriers with a "space bias", then they are going to build pseudo-combat units. Here, our admirals remind one of the heroines of the film “The Pokrovsky Gates,” which said about itself: “I am all so absurd, all so angular, so contradictory, all.” It seems that the Russian naval commanders are plotting a course in thick fog and, not knowing where to go, they work in machines.

But this is only one side of the coin. Let's talk about the other. Suppose a fleet cannot do without patrol ships. Good. But at the same Zelenodolsk plant named after AM. Gorky is building the lead border patrol ship 1 of the 22100 “Ocean” project, with a full displacement of 2700 t, the project of which was developed by the Almaz Central Mortgage Design Bureau. The range of his navigation is 12 000 miles, the navigation area is unlimited. This PCNR, which is planned to be launched this year, can walk in the tropics and arctic waters, overcoming ice up to 80 thickness. See Armament includes 76-mm automatic artillery mounts and heavy machine guns. There is a platform for the take-off and landing of a Ka-27 helicopter, as well as a hangar for its storage. In the stern - a device for launching and lifting onboard inspection boats on the ship’s course. Since the patrol will be in service at sea for a long time, comfortable conditions are provided for the crew.

The question arises: why for different security agencies Russia should build two different ships of the same destination and one class? A lot has been said about the need to optimize and save defense resources, and here frank waste is explicitly allowed. Where do the Military-Industrial Commission, the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation and the Marine Board look?

And here is the time to turn to foreign experience. A few years ago, the Canadian government decided to strengthen the presence of the Maple Leaf Country in the Arctic and build Arctic Navy patrol ships for the Navy and Coast Guard 6 – 8, the prototype of which was taken by the Norwegian icebreaker OPV Svalbard with a displacement of 6375 t. the activities of these ships, all these patrol ships are now planned to build and transfer to the naval forces under its requirements. Here is an example of a state approach.

Today, its implementation should pursue the achievement of obvious goals: protecting the deployment areas of strategic nuclear submarines, defending their bases, ports and shores, countering the deployment of the US global missile defense system in the seas and oceans. All the rest is ambition for which there are not enough resources.
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  1. Wiruz
    Wiruz 18 March 2014 15: 50
    I do not understand. 20380 and 20385 corvettes have everything served?
    1. Bronis
      Bronis 18 March 2014 17: 10
      Quote: Wiruz
      I do not understand. 20380 and 20385 corvettes have everything served?

      Presumably not. "Guarding" is an attempt to create a universal ship of the near sea zone, and it was precisely about a corvette for the protection of a water area (from a series of MRKs or, in general, boats on displacement. The boat is also a corvette! lol ). Although there are also many questions on the guardians. They wanted "cheap and cheerful", maximum functionality with a minimum displacement ... and here it was not so simple ... one way or another, but they are still being built
    2. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 18 March 2014 17: 48
      Quote: Wiruz
      Corvettes 20380 and 20385 have everything served?

      Yes. It did not work out what was planned in an acceptable time frame and for sane money, but the military did not like how and what it turns out. As the author wrote
      The few remaining OVR ships built in the Soviet era are living out their lives without waiting for a replacement
      A replacement is needed. Now they are trying, due to simplification and cheapening, to drastically reduce the production time, and to close the need for OVR ships with at least such a primitive. Then, apparently, they will begin to think again what to do.
    3. Army1
      Army1 18 March 2014 21: 10
      Well, we have the Coastal Forces, with a large coastal fleet - this time, and the Olympics in Sochi is not an easy walk, and dirty tricks can be expected from Western friends in the form of provocations, but rather only from them can be expected. Everyone knows about the "wolf that ended up in the American number, for some reason? Athletes" They can find fault with everything, even with fish, which threatens the safety of American citizens.
  2. Chemicalin23
    Chemicalin23 18 March 2014 15: 55
    Brothers, I watched Putin’s appeal now - he even shed a tear. That said a lot! I’ll go to the store, and it’s not a sin to drink for it.
    1. arutun
      arutun 18 March 2014 16: 04
      This speech is stronger than Munich, in the open text to the west that we are no longer going to lie under you.
      Victory will be ours!
    2. Hellriker
      Hellriker 18 March 2014 16: 04
      I don’t recommend drinking, because in the Transbaikalia they have already drunk - 16 blindfolds. Better to the gym, in a healthy body - a healthy mind.
      1. Orc-xnumx
        Orc-xnumx 18 March 2014 16: 52
        Well, not Chinese polish! There is not much normal uncooked vodka. Okay!
    3. albert
      albert 18 March 2014 16: 15
      We all listened. soldier
      1. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz 18 March 2014 16: 24
        475 thousand? Are they scoffing, or what? A second-hand "Japanese" like Fielder is more expensive.
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    5. RUSLAN39
      RUSLAN39 18 March 2014 16: 28
      Quote: Chemicalalin23
      I’ll go to the store, and it’s not a sin to drink for it.

      Well, again, there is no reason not to drink)).
  3. novobranets
    novobranets 18 March 2014 16: 00
    In my opinion, a special tool is always better than a universal one. The same applies to ships.
    1. Orc-xnumx
      Orc-xnumx 18 March 2014 16: 54
      But expensive! Because of what everyone thinks of station wagons ...
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 18 March 2014 20: 16
        If in the calculations there will be such an indicator as the effectiveness of the application, then it is still unknown what is cheaper.
  4. Warhead-xnumx
    Warhead-xnumx 18 March 2014 16: 02
    OVR corvette with a displacement of less than 2 thousand tons, for the development of a preliminary design of which last year 475 thousand rubles were allocated from the budget, was supposed to replace in the future the obsolete MPC of projects 1124M and 1331M, MRK of project 12341, RCA of project 12411 as part of the Russian Navy and minesweepers.
    The author, well, you're a dreamer, was going to replace the minesweeper with a corvette. If you are not in the know this is a narrowly specialized ship, the hull of which is made of wood or plastic corner, to reduce the magnetic field of the ship. And then with what will the corvette be dragged? Helicopter - expensive, dangerous and not so effective. In addition, the combined trawl helicopter will not be able to use, only the contact.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 18 March 2014 18: 02
      Quote: CU-3
      And then with what will the corvette be dragged?

      Yes, there is no trawl winch on such a corvette, there will clearly be a problem with contact trawls. But this is yesterday's age - mines on minrepes. "Captors", so they are installed against the submarine at depths of about 900 m, and more of the foe's anchor mines do not come to mind, more and more bottom. But the bottom ones are now looking for with the help of GASM and autonomous underwater vehicles - seekers-destroyers. And nothing, they manage, without a huge "view", diverters, support buoys, markers and other crap at the stern of the TSC.
      Quote: CU-3
      the combined trawl helicopter will not be able to use, only the contact.

      The idea is interesting, but the Americans conducted helicopter trawling using electromagnetic non-contact Mk105 trawl. Also used a combined (A + EM) trawl MKNUMX. I have not met another. But the MK106 contact helicopter trawl was abandoned, rightly believing that this was the path to a plane crash with a serious hitch KT for minrep.
      On August 17, 1984, during the "tanker war", three US Navy minesweeping helicopters from the Shreveport Dock launched Operation Intense Look to find mines in the southern Gulf of Suez. Helicopters-minesweepers RH-3D "Sea Stellen" used a towed hydroacoustic station for side-looking mine detection type AN / AQS-53. The search for mines was carried out both by individual helicopters and by a group of three machines, which made up to eight sorties a day. Discovered mine-like objects were indicated by marker beacons. In the future, they also used EMT Mk14 for helicopter trawling of the waters of the bay. We used the Mi105 (PL and BT) for these purposes.
  5. Duke
    Duke 18 March 2014 16: 02
    Corvette Project 20380
    Main characteristics
    1800 t displacement (standard)
    2220 t (full)
    Length 90 m (on design waterline)
    104,5 m (largest)
    Width 11,1 m (on design waterline)
    13 m (largest)
    Draft 3,7 m (medium)
    7,95 m (the largest with a bulb)
    Engines 4 diesel 16D49
    2 shaft
    2 five-blade propellers
    Power 23 320 l. with. (17 140 kW)
    Speed ​​27 knots (50 km / h) (full)
    14 knots (26 km / h) (economic)
    Cruising range 3500-4000 miles at 14 knots
    Autonomy of swimming 15 days (according to provisions)
    99 crew
    Furke-2 General Detection Radar Armament
    Target design radar URO "Monument-A"
    Radar 2 × MR-231
    NRLS 1 × "Pal-N"
    Intra-keel GAS "Dawn-2"
    Towed GAS "Minotaur-M"
    Omitted GAS "Anapa-M"
    Satellite Navigation System CH-3101
    Radio-electronic armament BIUS "Sigma-20830"
    SUO 5P-10-02 "Puma"
    REP systems: 4 × 10 122 mm PU PK-10 “Bold”
    EW tools: TK-25-2
    Tactical strike weapons On the project 20385 1x8 UKKS Caliber
    Artillery 1 × 100 mm AU A-190 (332 shots)
    Anti-aircraft artillery 2 × 6 30 mm AU AK-630M (6000 rounds)
    Missile armament 2x4 PKRK "Uran" (8 anti-ship missiles X-35)
    The lead ship: 1 ZRAK “Kortik-M” (32 missiles, 3000 rounds)
    The first production: 4 × 8 SAM Redut (32 SAM 9M96M, 9M96E or 9M100)
    Anti-submarine weapons 2 × 4 330 mm TA “Package-NK” (8 torpedoes)
    Aviation group 1 helicopter Ka-27PL, deck hangar.
  6. Committee
    Committee 18 March 2014 16: 05
    HOORAY!!! Signed !!!! I am proud that I live in RUSSIA, I am happy that I have survived to this day! We only lost 25 years ... Happy friends!
    1. VladimS
      VladimS 18 March 2014 16: 38
      And you with a holiday so long awaited!
  7. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 18 March 2014 16: 07
    Well, everything is Crimea in Russia !!! Hooray!!!
  8. Arh
    Arh 18 March 2014 16: 09
    I am glad to Russian Innovations! ! ! * * *
    1. Quantum
      Quantum 18 March 2014 16: 45
      I went, I know how to be on a bridge in a hurricane!
      Thanks for the video!
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  9. Siberian19
    Siberian19 18 March 2014 16: 10
    Russia! Russia! Russia! URAAAAAAA !!! drinks
  10. moremansf
    moremansf 18 March 2014 16: 17
    Historical justice has happened !!!! Crimea returned home !!!!
  11. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 18 March 2014 16: 20
    This is not good, men, oh how bad ...
    Since 2000 of the year, our industry has surrendered to the fleet ...
    1 TFR project 11540 "Yastreb" - "Yaroslav the Wise", for the Baltic Fleet, laid down in 1988 - commissioned in 2009 (21 years passed from the moment of laying down to delivery to the fleet);
    2 TFR project 11661 for KFL, "Tatarstan" was founded in 1990 - delivered in 2003 (13 years); "Dagestan" was founded in 1991 - commissioned in 2012 (21 years old);
    3 TFR (corvettes) of the project 20380, for the Baltic Fleet: "Guarding" was laid in 2001 - delivered in 2008 (7 years); "Savvy" was founded in 2003 - commissioned in 2011 (8 years); "Boyky" was founded in 2005 - commissioned in 2013 (8 years). That is, a corvette with a total displacement of 2220 tons has been under construction for 7-8 years.
    At present, one more corvette of Project 1 "Stoyky" is to be delivered to the fleet - laid in 22380, this year will be handed over to the fleet, it turns out again 2006 years. In the Far East in 8 at the Amur plant a corvette "Perfect" was laid down, it has not yet been launched, it is expected to be delivered to the fleet by the end of this year, which is unlikely ...

    photos of the construction of the Corvette "Perfect"
    The larger ship frigate of project 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov", laid down in 2006, is supposed to be handed over to the fleet this year.

    As you can see, the new 130-mm AU A-192 is not. The frigate was supposed to be handed over to the fleet in February 2009. The delay in the transfer for 5 years is still quite prominent, and the problem is apparently not only in the readiness of the gun. IMHO and the state of the main engine, auxiliary mechanisms do not make it possible to announce the start date of sea trials. If there are such difficulties with a masterpiece of shipbuilding, then what can we say about the construction of an aircraft carrier? And this is now, when, due to the situation in Ukraine, every ship counts, and even more so a frigate-ship of the 2nd rank. In general, he should at least have completed the tests, and at best, be in the Mediterranean to cover the Kuznetsov and Peter the Great, or accompany the BDK in the Crimea, and not stand at the Severnaya Verf.
    The situation is similar with the Ivan Gren large landing craft, founded in 2004, which is being built at such a pace that it will enter service only in 2015, and most likely as an armed transport.
    That is, out of 6 large ships, 3 of the largest (Yaroslav the Wise, Dagestan, Tatarstan) were built from the Soviet reserve.
    3 IAC project 21630 for CFL "Astrakhan" was founded in 2004 - delivered in 2006 (2 years); Volgodonsk was founded in 2005 - commissioned in 2011 (6 years); "Makhachkala" was founded in 2006 - commissioned in 2012 (6 years).
    In the Caspian Sea, 2 RTOs of project 21631 "Uglich" (3 years) and "Grad Sviyazhsk" (4 years) are to be commissioned.
    1 MTSH "Vice-Admiral Zakharyin" of project 02668 "Agat" for the Black Sea Fleet was founded in 1990 - delivered in 2008 (18 years old);
    1 RCA of the 12411 project for the Pacific Fleet is laid down in 1992, was commissioned in 2003 (11 years);
    7 Project 21980 Grachonok project: 3 for the Black Sea Fleet, 1 for the Baltic Fleet, 2 for the Pacific Fleet, 1 for the KFL (average construction period is 1 year).
    1. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 18 March 2014 16: 28
      11 DKA: 3 of the 1176 project “Shark” (for the Northern Fleet, Pacific Fleet, Black Sea Fleet); 7 of the 11770 project “Chamois” (3 for CFL, 2 for Baltic Fleet, 1 for Pacific Fleet, 1 for Black Sea Fleet). 1 of the 21820 project "Dugong" (for CFL).
      On tests 3 DKA: 2 project 11770 "Chamois" (for CFL), 1 project 21820 "Dugong" (for Pacific Fleet)
      One special-purpose boat 1 "Raptor" is undergoing trials, 03160 similar boats 2A "Mongoose" are being completed on the water.
      Submarines :
      2 SSBNs of project 955 "Borey": For Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet; "Yuri Dolgoruky" was founded in 1996 - commissioned in 2012 (16 years old); "Alexander Nevsky" - founded in 2004 - commissioned in 2013 (9 years). Both boats are in trial operation. On trials, a submarine of a similar project "Vladimir Monomakh", for the Pacific Fleet, has been built since 2006, if it is handed over this year - 8 years.
      1 MPLATRK project 885 "Ash" for SF - put into trial operation. Laid down in the 1993 year, delivered to the fleet in the 2013 year (20 years).
      "Severodvinsk" will be accepted into the combat composition of the Russian Navy not earlier than the second half of this year due to incomplete tests of hydroacoustics, navigation, electro-mechanical part, missile complex "Caliber", as well as work to reduce noise in order to bring it to parameters installed in the TTZ.

      The next boat of the Kazan project is expected in 2015 (laid down in 2009).

      1 diesel-electric submarine of project 677 "Lada" "St. Petersburg", while for the BF, transferred to the Northern Fleet for testing, in trial operation. Laid down in 1997, commissioned to the fleet in 2010 (13 years old).

      arrival of diesel-electric submarines of project 677 "Saint Petersburg" to the Northern Fleet
      The boats were so unsuccessful that in February 2012 of the year the media said that the Navy was abandoning the Lada project, according to the former Navy commander in chief Vysotsky:
      ... the declared technical characteristics of the submarines of the 677 project are not confirmed by tests of the head submarine "St. Petersburg". “In its current form, Lada, the Russian Navy is not needed. We do not need new “brains” with weapons that would sit on the energy of the Second World War. What for? Who needs this? And her operational properties are the same ...

      However, the project was not abandoned and it was decided to complete the construction of 2 diesel-electric submarines of the project: Kronstadt (laid down in 2005) and Sevastopol (laid down in 2006)
      After the failure with project 677, they were forced to begin construction of diesel-electric submarines of project 636.6, which is a development of project 877, originally intended for export. The first diesel-electric submarine "Novorossiysk", laid down in 2010, launched on November 28.11.2013, XNUMX, is expected to be delivered to the fleet this summer. In the same year, another diesel-electric submarine of the Rostov-on-Don project is expected.
      1 Project 20120 Sarov special-purpose diesel submarine designed for testing new types of weapons and military equipment. Based on the SF. Laid down in 1989, delivered to the fleet in 2008 (19 years old).
      1 special purpose nuclear submarine of the 10831 AC-31 project. Based on SF. Laid in the 1990 year, delivered to the fleet in the 2010 year (20 years)
    2. Not a patriot RU
      Not a patriot RU 18 March 2014 22: 30
      Quote: Novel 1977
      Since 2000 of the year, our industry has surrendered to the fleet ...

      In general, it’s true, but you repeat the same mistake every time: the start date of the construction is not the actual start of work (which begins with the preparation of the slipway workshop, smelting and delivery of the first metal structures), but only a ceremony and welding of the embedded plate, and that’s all . And the real terms of work must be counted from the moment of completion until the end of factory tests.
      Quote: Novel 1977
      In the Far East in 2006 at the Amur plant a corvette "Perfect" was laid down, it has not yet been launched, it is expected to be delivered to the fleet by the end of this year, which is unlikely ...

      "Perfect" is unfinished mainly because of the drunkenness and the mess of the leadership.
      Quote: Novel 1977
      The larger ship frigate of project 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov", laid down in 2006, is supposed to be handed over to the fleet this year.

      Not surprisingly, he, like other recent projects, the percentage of novelty of all designs and systems just rolls over.
      Quote: Novel 1977
      The situation is similar with the Ivan Gren large landing craft, founded in 2004, which is being built at such a pace that it will enter service only in 2015, and most likely as an armed transport.

      It is being completed as a BDK.
  12. Gorkii
    Gorkii 18 March 2014 16: 23
    with a victory comrades !!!
  13. Sulfuric acid
    Sulfuric acid 18 March 2014 16: 29
    After the end of the Cold War, it became known that the NATO naval experts, on the basis of numerous exercises and staff games, came to the conclusion that in the event of a war with the USSR, it would take several hours to destroy the large surface ships of the Soviet fleet in the seas and oceans.

    Too shy to ask, how is this? The Soviet fleet at that time was on an equal footing with the United States, and in the number of submarines it was much superior. NATO had more aircraft carriers and, accordingly, AUGs, but carrier-based aircraft of that time could not seriously shake, and, even more, destroy large Soviet ships in a few hours.
  14. individual
    individual 18 March 2014 17: 12
    Russia! Crimea!
    Everyone forgot about the "tear in the fog.
    It’s like against the backdrop of the lost Boeing777, a note by the former US Secretary of Defense that they lost Crimea somehow slipped by.
    Glory to Russia!!!
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 18 March 2014 18: 48
      "Crimea has been lost." Did they have it?
  15. w2000
    w2000 18 March 2014 17: 49
    Russia needs to create a cheap, high-speed boat with a displacement of ~ 500 tons, in two versions: 1. shock (57 mm. Automatic cannon, 4 anti-ship missiles "Caliber", anti-aircraft gun AK-630 + MANPADS "Igla"); 2. anti-submarine (GAK, RBU-6000, 4 mm. Torpedo tubes, anti-aircraft gun AK-533 + MANPADS "Igla"). And to stamp them at 630-2 factories, so that there would be at least 3 of them in each fleet, 12 shock and 6 anti-submarine, i.e. a series of over 6 ships.
    1. twviewer
      twviewer 18 March 2014 17: 58
      a boat worth $ 100 million to protect Igla MANPADS ?? Are you kidding me there ?!
      1. w2000
        w2000 18 March 2014 18: 06
        But what is it that to put a multi-ton air defense system on such a displacement? Since Soviet times, we have an eternal pursuit of multifunctionality in connection with which the growth of tonnage and cost. They begin to design a boat, they push everything into it - it turns out a frigate, they start building a corvette - it turns out almost a destroyer, but they start building a destroyer - in general the battleship turns out.
        1. twviewer
          twviewer 18 March 2014 18: 20
          at 500t, the chestnut dirk will fit, but this is not enough! :)
      2. velbot185
        velbot185 18 March 2014 23: 42
        What are 100 million dollars?
    2. velbot185
      velbot185 18 March 2014 23: 41
      How do you put the hack on a boat of 500 tons?
      1. twviewer
        twviewer 20 March 2014 00: 19
        and what confuses? 100 million worth Lightning a couple of years ago, by the way, take a look at the main panel on the lightning
  16. saag
    saag 18 March 2014 18: 34
    A ship for the protection of a water area, the question is from whom, from poachers this is one type, high-speed one and you don't need a lot of weapons, it's another matter that in the protected area you can meet both a submarine and a destroyer class ship, here a completely different configuration is needed
  17. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 18 March 2014 18: 46
    I read the article. I liked it. The author is no stranger to the state approach to the shipbuilding problem - and this is good. But the thought is gnawing at me: is it possible that such "narrow-minded" pros are sitting in the General Staff of the Navy that they don't see this? And then, as always, "why are the amateurs so smart, and the" pros "so stupid?"
    The answer may lie not in the "shipboard" plane, but in the financial one. When you need to solve a bunch of problems and meet your budget. And you need to build Borei and Ash, destroyers and corvettes, naval aviation and BRAV. Purchase SLBMs, CRBDs, anti-ship missiles, missiles, TO, MO, art systems and much more.
    I hope no one will argue that the PSKR 1 is of the ice class, DW = 2700t costs more than the Bohr ship with a displacement of 1500t (based on the declared armament).
    The question is different: does the BOKHR corvette have a base for modernization and installation of the required weapons? I think that is. So I propose to proceed from this assumption.
    About bloopers. Very much said about the inspection boat - "Rigidly inflatable interceptor boat!" Actually, it sounds a little differently: "rigid hull boat with a gantry" (Krag is an inflatable balloon around the perimeter of the freeboard-plane-cutter-boat). And this "miracle" looks like this:
  18. mvv
    mvv 18 March 2014 22: 52
    if it is cheaper maneuverable and requires less repair and maintenance costs, I am only FOR.
  19. PLO
    PLO 18 March 2014 23: 59
    some kind of mess in the MO is going on

    and on the basis of export TFR 11661 would be the perfect OVR corvette

    AK-176 changes to A-190 without problems
    2x4 Uranium changes without problems to 1x8 UKKS
    ZRAK Broadsword exchange for 2x4 Redoubt under (up to 32 9M100 missiles)
    and add BUGAS