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The last parade of the BOD "Ochakov"

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The anti-Russian slogans “The Russian fleet is out!” Suddenly changed to the frightened exclamations “Get out the Russian fleet!” (Crimean joke 5-year-old).



On the night of March 6, 2014, a large anti-submarine ship Ochakov, previously excluded from the Black Sea, was sunk off the coast of Crimea fleet in 2011. According to eyewitnesses, the operation was carried out late at night by the forces of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in order to block the Southern Naval Base of the Ukrainian Navy on Lake Donuzlav.

"Ochakov" in a semi-disassembled state was brought in tow and placed between the North and South spit at the entrance to the lake Donuzlav (artificially turned into a bay). From the approached fire-fighting boat of the Black Sea Fleet, the Ochakov's hull was filled with water for loss of stability, then, according to unconfirmed reports, the explosive charge of explosives was exploded on board the BOD — the ship abruptly fell on board and lay to the bottom. The depth at the site of flooding is 9-11 meters, the right side of the ship is still visible above the water.

With the length of the 173 hull of the meter, the flooded Ochakov tightly blocks the entrance and exit to Lake Donuzlav, where six Ukrainian Navy warships are currently based, including large landing ship Kostyantin Olshansky (U-402).

It is reported that along with Ochakov in the fairway at the entrance to Donuzlav several more auxiliary vessels of the Russian Navy were flooded.

The Ukrainian side expressed extreme displeasure with the situation. When the possibility of transition of the Crimea under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation was not so obvious, the claims of Ukrainians were reduced to material damage: in the future, significant costs would be needed to eliminate the artificial barricade at the entrance to Donuzlav. The mass of the flooded steel structures "Ochakov" exceeds 5000 tons - the body of the BOD can not be dragged to the side without the use of special equipment, while first you need to divide the body into several parts (as an option - to destroy the explosion). It may take months or even years to carry out these works, given that so far no one even discusses the rise of Ochakovo.

The last parade of the BOD "Ochakov"


At the moment, when the problem of raising flooded ships off the Crimean coast becomes purely Russian, the claims of the Ukrainian side are mainly associated with negative consequences for the environment: fuel left in tanks of the flooded BOD could leak which could cause irreparable damage to the coast of Crimea.

“13 of March of the current year, the Foreign Ministry of Ukraine notified the Russian side that in the area of ​​the southern spit of Lake Donuzlav from the place of flooding of a large anti-submarine ship“ Ochakov ”and a diving boat, a band of white color of unknown origin moves to the sea. The responsibility for the consequences lies with Russia. ”


No liability and no consequences of flooding BOD is not expected. The fears of Ukrainian environmentalists are not based on any reasonable grounds. Yes, engine oil from the Ochakovo mechanism and, possibly, the last fuel residues flow into the sea. These substances cannot pose any threat to the coast of Crimea, due to the insignificance of their volumes. To understand this obvious truth, it suffices to recall Pearl Harbor, where five battleships and a dozen other smaller ships sank in one day. Thousands of tons of fuel oil poured into the water of the Pearl Bay, but no environmental disaster in Hawaii happened.

Or another example - the famous strait in the Solomon Islands with the telling name Iron Bottom (Iron Bottom), where during many days of battles at least 50 ships and ships sank. Now this strait is a popular pilgrimage site for divers. It is reported that the wrecks of old ships are lost in the lush underwater flora and fauna typical of those equatorial latitudes. No environmental disasters! The safety factor of nature was much higher than we could have imagined.



Old ships lie at the bottom. Scraps of the Ukrainian Navy are locked at their moorings. The Black Sea Fleet has taken all possible measures to ensure the bloodless accession of the Crimea to Russia.

But it would have been too vulgar to revel in the “great victory” over the Ukrainians and draw any serious conclusions from all this. Yes, our sailors clearly carried out an operation to prevent senseless bloodshed, blocking the Ukrainian fleet and thereby strengthening Russia's position on the coast of the Crimea. But the very threat of a mad conflict between Russians and Ukrainians gives all this stories creepy crimson hue. There is no fratricidal war between Russia and Ukraine!

It is equally foolish to draw any analogies with the tragic events of 1854-55, when Russian sailors had to scuttle their ships at the entrance to Sevastopol. Sailing ships were powerless against the steam frigates of the British and French fleets - Admiral Nakhimov made the only right decision to block the entrance to the Sevastopol Bay, and include the crews of the ships in the garrison of the Sevastopol fortress.



Unlike the obsolete royal fleet, the large anti-submarine ship Ochakov was a masterpiece of 70's design thought. BOD made 9 combat trips to the Atlantic and the Mediterranean, having traveled hundreds of thousands of nautical miles in 16 years of active service. BOD took part in the global military exercises of the Navy, took on board hundreds of foreign delegations - a strict, majestic cruiser every time led to the delight of diplomats and military attaches of foreign countries. BOD has visited many foreign ports, from nearby Varna to faraway Havana. “Ochakov” three times (in 1977, 1979 and 1986) was awarded the title “The Best Ship of the Navy”.

In 1991, the honored ship embarked on repairs in Sevastopol, but due to the collapse of the Union, repairs suddenly dragged on. In 1993, onboard the Ochakov there was a serious fire. The ship was planned to be put back on line in 2004-2005, but this did not happen.

In 2008, the Ochakov was removed from the territory of the Sevastopol Marine Plant and put in sludge in the Trinity Bay of Sevastopol. From this point on, the fate of the BOD was predetermined: a solid age and an eternal lack of funding put an end to the future career of Ochakovo.



In August, a solemn ritual of descent of the Naval Flag took place on the Ochakov in August in the presence of the Black Sea Fleet command and former members of the BOD crew. At the end of the rally, the first commander of Ochakov, Admiral Igor Kasatonov, lowered the St. Andrew’s flag and handed it over to the Black Sea Fleet Museum for storage.

And, suddenly, an unexpected challenge! The ship that had already been written off had to “wake up” again in defense of the interests of the Motherland, both literally and figuratively.

Up you, comrades, everything is in places! The last parade comes ...

"The Magnificent Seven"

The large anti-submarine ship "Ochakov" is the second representative of the 1134B project (the cipher "Bercut-B" or simply "beekeeper"). He was named in honor of the events of 1788, the heroic storming of Russian troops of the Turkish fortress Achi-Kale (Ochakov). Laid in 1969, launched in 1971, accepted into the operational structure of the USSR Navy in November 1973.

Seven BOD project 1134B became the pinnacle of the evolution of the Soviet anti-submarine ships of the far sea zone: in fact they were powerful missile cruisers with huge ammunition, gas turbine power plants and hypertrophied anti-submarine weapons. Their full displacement could reach 9000 tons, and high seaworthiness and a significant supply of fuel allowed them to cross the Atlantic Ocean diagonally! In addition to high combat qualities, the "Bukari" were distinguished by high standards of habitability, providing the crew with a very high level of comfort in conditions of prolonged service in any climatic zones.

High ratings of BOD pr 1134B were received not only from domestic sailors, but also from foreign experts. So, the Americans considered the "bukarey" the most successful and effective project of the Soviet PLO ship of the far sea zone. It is worth emphasizing the exceptionally high combat stability of these BOD - on board each, in addition to the developed anti-submarine weapons, four (!) Anti-aircraft missile systems were installed, which made the “Bukari” a hardly vulnerable target for all 70's air attack weapons.





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  1. svp67
    svp67 17 March 2014 09: 04
    +17
    "Crimean Gambit" (Gambit (from Italian gambetto - bandwagon) is a general name for openings in which one of the sides sacrifices material (usually a pawn, but sometimes a piece) in the interests of the fastest development, capture of the center or simply to sharpen the game.
    1. Arberes
      Arberes 17 March 2014 10: 23
      +36
      We must salute this handsome ship! We assume that this was his last and heroic campaign!
      "OCHAKOV" has fulfilled its task!

      Now our Black Sea Fleet will not hurt anything else! And we will build up and replenish the latest ships and submarines as we want.
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 17 March 2014 20: 18
        +3
        There was a tradition to transfer the name of a tinned ship to a newly built one. Here the merits are obvious. Let's hope that a new Ochakov will appear at the Black Sea Fleet soon. In Nikolaev, just the cruiser disappears.
        1. housekeeper
          housekeeper 17 March 2014 22: 16
          +1
          In Nikolaev just the cruiser disappears.
          The rats are already bustling:
          The unfinished missile cruiser "Ukraine", which has been at the State Enterprise "Shipyard named after 61 Communards" for many years, must be immediately sold without asking permission from Russia.
          http://novosti-n.org/news/read/66632.html
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 30 March 2014 11: 48
            +1
            "...
            On the occasion of the return of the Crimea to Russia.
            As a result of the Franco-Prussian war of 1870, the ruler of France Napoleon III was eliminated. Chancellor Gorchakov seeks the abolition of articles of a peace treaty restricting Russia's rights to the Black Sea.
            Tyutchev collaborates with the Chancellor of Russia, provides him with all possible support, convinces the world of the correctness of the foreign policy pursued. In this poem he addresses the chancellor. Russia is again taking over its ownership of the Black Sea.

            Prince A.M. Gorchakov

            Yes, you kept your word:
            Without moving a gun, not a ruble,
            Enters the rights again
            Native Russian land.

            And we bequeathed to the sea
            Again free wave
            On a brief forgetting shame,
            Lobs the coast of their own.

            Happy in our age to whom victory is
            It was given not by blood, but by the mind,
            Happy who point is Archimedes
            He knew how to find in himself -

            Who, full of cheerful patience,
            Calculation with courage combined -
            That restrained his aspirations,
            That promptly dared.

            But is the confrontation over?
            And how mighty your lever
            Master persistence in smart people
            And unconsciousness in fools?

            Tyutchev F.I. November 1870 ... "

            From the Sochi forum.
  2. Perm59rus
    Perm59rus 17 March 2014 09: 07
    +42
    Sorry of course, but still take off my hat hi It sounds pathetic, but this BOD is a true soldier of the empire, Russia soldier
    1. svp67
      svp67 17 March 2014 10: 18
      +3
      Quote: Perm59rus
      Sorry of course, but still take off my hat
      And what a pity, he’s not HERE ANYTHING, now they pump out water and put on an even keel, and EVERYTHING ...
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  3. avt
    avt 17 March 2014 09: 12
    +15
    Quote: Perm59rus
    It sounds pathetic, but this BOD is a true soldier of the empire, Russia

    Wow! Before going to the needles, he managed to once again serve the country.
  4. ImPerts
    ImPerts 17 March 2014 09: 15
    +26
    Adequate action to neutralize evil.
    PS Although they can be blamed for the disproportionate use of force)))
  5. La-5
    La-5 17 March 2014 09: 20
    +11
    Still, the return of Crimea to Russia has been worked out for a long time.
  6. Takashi
    Takashi 17 March 2014 09: 25
    -10%
    I can’t understand why we have Large landing ships - are considered normal warships? Large landing ships are auxiliary ships in the fleet. They can’t do anything against missile boats or patrol boats, corvettes, destroyers.
    1. kirpich
      kirpich 17 March 2014 09: 48
      +16
      And what does the BDK have to do with it? The article is dedicated to BOD. You can’t call it auxiliary, if you wish.
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 17 March 2014 12: 18
      +15
      For individual civilians ... BDK is a warship, not an auxiliary !!! To each his own, one destroyers to sink, the other to land troops and support him with fire. hi
      1. Takashi
        Takashi 17 March 2014 13: 14
        -7
        you yourself are civilian.
        And the BDK is an auxiliary ship. It is not an independent unit and cannot operate without accompaniment and protection.

        If Russian sailors already consider this type of ship to be the main unit of the fleet, one can only rejoice at the number of tugboats and boats delivered to the fleet. Will you take a battering ram on them
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 17 March 2014 13: 55
          +12
          Quote: Takashi
          you yourself are civilian.
          And the BDK is an auxiliary ship. It is not an independent unit and cannot operate without accompaniment and protection.

          If Russian sailors already consider this type of ship to be the main unit of the fleet, one can only rejoice at the number of tugboats and boats delivered to the fleet. Will you take a battering ram on them


          Well buddy, can I tell you? Thinking like you, can I say that the APC is an auxiliary vehicle? Ie, no military value of the armored personnel carrier does not represent? Regarding tugs and boats ... have you ever heard of the feat of the TFR "Fog", and the tug-battleship will become! To compare the tug with the large landing craft is, excuse me, valuable! And lastly, what is your understanding of the "basic unit of the fleet"? Enlighten please!
          1. Korolev
            Korolev 23 March 2014 17: 05
            0
            -Sailors consider this type of ship - the main unit of the fleet, you can only rejoice at so many tugs and boats delivered to the fleet. You will take a battering ram on them. Why battering ram? - just take it; That was done with the U209 "Ternopil" corvette.
        2. Pashhenko Nikolay
          Pashhenko Nikolay 17 March 2014 20: 31
          0
          You are not careful a little. The BOD is a large anti-submarine ship and not an amphibious assault ship.
          1. AK_TriGGeR
            AK_TriGGeR April 12 2016 09: 37
            0
            he apparently mixed up with BDK
        3. StolzSS
          StolzSS 17 March 2014 20: 56
          0
          You wouldn’t be smart while sitting at the keyboard. I took a classmate of four niggas with assault rifles captured, and took over 2 more with a crowbar ... if necessary, we’ll take a battering ram, and if you have a thin gut to go without weapons in pirate waters, keep quiet about rams. That's how you will be captured by the niggas and then you will be able to get out then we’ll talk ... hi
      2. Russkiy53
        Russkiy53 17 March 2014 13: 21
        +2
        So they think that this is a barge with soldiers:))) ...
  7. NOMADE
    NOMADE 17 March 2014 09: 28
    +7
    I think such a fate for the ship is quite honorable. It’s better than going on pins and needles. And so, even if it fulfills its tasks, it will block the escape routes of the "enemy".
  8. region46
    region46 17 March 2014 09: 31
    +4
    last served the homeland
  9. Dimkin
    Dimkin 17 March 2014 09: 35
    +9
    Served worthy service to the country !!! Now it's time to introduce new, modern ships to the Black Sea Fleet!
    1. Russkiy53
      Russkiy53 17 March 2014 13: 22
      0
      Oh, how, and not cheaper on old-new weapons to put :)?
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 17 March 2014 13: 58
        +8
        wink Yeah, I’ll stick the Merc engine into constipation and Ferari will be !! good
    2. Russkiy53
      Russkiy53 17 March 2014 13: 25
      0
      Not ... well, if everyone agrees to seventy percent income tax, then chegozh ... then it is, of course :)))!
  10. malikszh
    malikszh 17 March 2014 09: 49
    +9
    the large anti-submarine ship Ochakov fulfilled its last duty to the motherland! glory!!!
  11. malikszh
    malikszh 17 March 2014 09: 51
    0
    another tugboat flooded seems?
  12. Nayhas
    Nayhas 17 March 2014 10: 07
    +5
    WHAT FOR! Well, they still took the Crimea, why was Ochakov drowned? There, in addition to Ochakov, three more ships were sunk ...

    1. svp67
      svp67 17 March 2014 10: 21
      +29
      Quote: Nayhas
      WHAT FOR! Well, they still took the Crimea, why was Ochakov drowned?
      Crimea was not taken by anyone, he voluntarily decided his fate, and no one sacrificed the ships in vain, they "performed" the task assigned to them and COMPLETED ...
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 17 March 2014 11: 12
        +6
        For some, it was taken away. And at the polling stations the voting was held at gunpoint bully
    2. neri73-r
      neri73-r 17 March 2014 10: 24
      +4
      Drowned not just from the fact that there is nothing to do !!! Apparently there was information about the possibility of using the Ukrainian fleet, and they demoralized without firing a shot, and even bargaining whether to ship (release) the ships or not!
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 17 March 2014 11: 14
        +3
        And the point of bargaining? Nationalization and Inventory hi
    3. svp67
      svp67 17 March 2014 10: 32
      +21
      And it’s better that way than HERE SO - ingloriously ...
      1. malikszh
        malikszh 17 March 2014 10: 49
        0
        Where is it? Hawaii Pearl Harbor?
        1. ICT
          ICT 17 March 2014 11: 07
          +5
          Quote: malikszh
          Where is it?


          it's here near dreams and ours


          http://topwar.ru/27495-kreysera-proekta-68-bis.html
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 17 March 2014 11: 56
          +15
          This cruiser "Murmansk" pr. 68-bis, off the coast of the Norwegian island of Sereya. In 2012, the Norwegians completely disassembled it. Project 68-bis-chic beauties, the last of them "M. Kutuzov" stands at the wall of the Novorossiysk sea terminal hi ... According to the article ... of the 3 Black Sea "bukaries", only "Kerch" remained in the ranks ... beautiful ships !!!! good "Ochakov" has fulfilled its duty to the end ... headwear down !!! soldier
    4. malikszh
      malikszh 17 March 2014 10: 47
      +3
      Up to 10 ships of the former Ukrainian Navy were blocked there, if they were not flooded, maybe they would have gone to Odessa.
    5. Russkiy53
      Russkiy53 17 March 2014 13: 27
      +1
      To pick up, and flooded :)))!
  13. Blad_21617
    Blad_21617 17 March 2014 10: 48
    +1
    And who are the judges: for antiquity,
    For a free life their hostility is irreconcilable;
    Judgment draws from forgotten newspapers
    The time of Ochakovsky and the conquest of Crimea ...
  14. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 17 March 2014 10: 48
    +3
    Glorious completion of the ship service! With the courage, ingenuity and determination of our sailors, everything is still in order!
  15. viktor1227
    viktor1227 17 March 2014 10: 54
    +3
    "The last parade is coming!", God forbid it is not in vain. Crimea is just the beginning, how many more Ochakovs will have to be drowned until sovereignty is restored?
  16. Argon
    Argon 17 March 2014 11: 13
    +7
    In my opinion, the exit from the lake was closed to prevent the landing operation of the armed forces of the anti-Russian coalition (hard version) or organized groups of nationalists (easy version). In any case, the Ukrainian Navy base is a fortified bridge equipped with transport and handling mechanics, which is quite difficult to block and perhaps without blood (with reference to the light version). The potential of the Ukrainian ships remaining in the base is not so great as to perceive them as a serious threat. And with the flooding of Ochakov, any possibility of provocation from the sea is excluded.
  17. fregina1
    fregina1 17 March 2014 11: 36
    +7
    I think that the next frigate for the Black Sea Fleet must be named "Ochakov" !!! Decent Service - Decent Completion of Service!
  18. Ruslan
    Ruslan 17 March 2014 11: 42
    -11%
    I personally am against what has been done. we dream of a great navy, but we do not know how to save heroic ships !!!! it was necessary to put it on a joke, make a museum, but how not to drown it like garbage !!! The cruisers of the Second World War who fought with the nemchura were used as targets, and this one was flooded like rubbish !!! shame for our country considering itself a maritime power !!! it was possible to block the exit in other ways, up to floating mines, if completely pinned, but not to sink such a ship. I agree that it makes no sense to keep all the ships of the series, but the ship named THREE TIMES the best in the fleet, deserved a different fate and had to stand next to the "Aurora" !!!
    1. IGS
      IGS 18 March 2014 02: 15
      +4
      He did not become a "wedding general, oiled and powdered", he remained a warship to the end and REMAINS.
      PS And the dump in your head.
      1. Ruslan
        Ruslan 18 March 2014 11: 01
        -2
        according to your stupid logic, the "oiled abomination" should be towed there and the aurora, WWII veterans had to be mobilized to Chechnya, let them die for their homeland at last, save the soldiers, remove the T-34 from the pedestals and into the oven "let them serve the homeland with a rail or a bucket" museums on pins and needles, Che gathering dust for no use and further on the list. you little people with no memory, there are already 12 of you !!! found a heroic death, fulfilled the duties of a barge with stones !! Where is the cruiser "Red Caucasus" who fought for Sevastopol in the Second World War? they started up on the target! recently they began to secretly sell space suits and things of the first cosmonauts! and there are a lot of such examples.
        he was a warship until he was reduced to the fate of a barge !!! everything, the end of the debate! it’s disgusting that people who think of themselves as patriots consider it normal !!!!
        1. IGS
          IGS 18 March 2014 18: 04
          +4
          Indeed, what to say with "vseprosra.om" .. and do not touch people alive, especially veterans, about spacesuits, things yes ... disgusting ... comparison is not appropriate. Can you offer to get the corpses and put them on display? The ship died. And died with honor.
  19. Sonik
    Sonik 17 March 2014 12: 10
    +5
    Quote: ruslan
    I personally am against what has been done. we dream of a great navy, but we do not know how to save heroic ships !!!! it was necessary to put it on a joke, make a museum, but how not to drown it like garbage !!! The cruisers of the Second World War who fought with the nemchura were used as targets, and this one was flooded like rubbish !!! shame for our country considering itself a maritime power !!! it was possible to block the exit in other ways, up to floating mines, if completely pinned, but not to sink such a ship. I agree that it makes no sense to keep all the ships of the series, but the ship named THREE TIMES the best in the fleet, deserved a different fate and had to stand next to the "Aurora" !!!

    Ochakov fulfilled his mission with dignity, he died, saved others .... and the bell must have been removed and he will find a place in history.
  20. Cristall
    Cristall 17 March 2014 12: 27
    -7
    I have more a question about the moral and ethical and international assessment of such an action. That is, the fleet of another country is deliberately blocked (this is done not by Crimeans, but by Russians)
    even kill me I can’t find any reason for joy here! Are you guys completely crazy? What if the insane were found? Okay, Ukrainians are generally the most patient people .. everything will endure. But to rejoice at the fact that they flooded and block part of the fleet - is this how to evaluate?
    In general, is there any explanation?
    Yes, I soberly assess - Crimea wanted in the Russian Federation, I even told the "patriots" that a coup and the abolition of the regional language --- they will provoke trouble. And he even wished good luck to Sevastopol and Crimea. That is, Crimea can certainly count on independence (but where is the civilized withdrawal in general?) - but why block the Ukrainian Navy? Such a big threat to the Russian Black Sea Fleet? No, Threat to Crimea? Well, the fleet can of course stand on wheels and go to parliament ...
    When does it all stop? Where is the official explanation of the situation. I do not support either Kiev or Moscow. One threw them although the oath binds, the second blocks without official reasons but with obvious actions.
    It is this incomprehensible blockade of times, incomprehensible actions in relation to the sailors and military personnel of Ukraine in the Crimea (they have nothing to take and evaporate that you see) - this is now being played out in the media as unlawfulness and illegal action - equal to a military threat.
    I’m not joking, in fact, in the office, even from veterans of the USSR I hear exclamations that do not delight the mind. Smart men are outraged. No one supported Maidan disagree with Kiev but absolutely disagree with this action. A lot of people who are against this!
    And imagine they will be ready for a war for "justice"
    because justice for them will be the cessation of these actions.
    Here even our media is not needed - you read this article, the impression that you are waging war not with Kiev, but with us. And rejoice- "victories" Blocked the fleet of another country, which "suffers".
    How to be? How do you explain to us, ordinary Ukrainians that this is good? For the good of what exactly? I personally see this not at all for the good, but so far only to the detriment of the general idea.
    Have done the job, calculate the profits ... all this is hypocritical and disgusting. I think sponsors in Kiev even rub their hands.
    1. RPD
      RPD 17 March 2014 13: 10
      +16
      "Blocked the fleet of another country that" tolerates. "
      suffers? Yes it is you "square" endured all this time, until you foolishly showed your true face.
      "I'm not kidding, really in the office even from the veterans of the USSR" - says "the daughter of an officer, fifty years old in the Crimea."
      well, plus you, of course, unlike others, you deftly insult yourself
      1. 1969s9691g.
        1969s9691g. 18 March 2014 19: 37
        -6
        you snickering first restore order. Languages ​​stuck in the ass and echo this hitler-2.
        1. iConst
          iConst 18 March 2014 19: 45
          +1
          Quote: 1969с9691г.
          you snickering

          Senya, you're wrong ...
    2. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 17 March 2014 13: 20
      +6
      We just wanted the American destroyer to go to Romania immediately and not spend fuel to the Crimea. Fuel will be sooo expensive today.
    3. Argon
      Argon 17 March 2014 13: 26
      +12
      What kind of nonsense, did not you get enough sleep? Is your mood at zero? Do you understand what you dare to talk about? No one needs to evaporate (I'm talking about military personnel), firstly, act according to the saying, "got into a cow talk, sit and don't chirp" - the second is intense, aloud, all the personnel re-read Bulgakov - all this with the "independent" was already. And then some freaks in uniform are tempted to bend under the "Kiev junta" - a feat to make (I mean the case at the airport). Only now it is much easier to start bloodshed, than stop.
    4. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 17 March 2014 13: 30
      +17
      Cristall "I even told the patriots"
      Cristall "And even wished good luck to Sevastopol and Crimea."
      Excuse me ... who are you? Boy or girl? If a boy, then why on the avatar is a girl? It is incomprehensible ... Somehow it is mysterious there in Ukraine.
      But it’s not worth it to be offended. Everything is fine.
      After all, we suffered when your state fleet derbanilo, with the collapse of the USSR. Then they attacked the lighthouses at Yushchenko. Now part of the territory has disappeared from you, about which you wrote related things that happen when countries collapse. Some are sad ... others are happy. We went through it ... under the screech of banderlogs and sympathizers for them.
      I personally do not pity those of your warriors who oversight during the collapse of the USSR. And now they have touched. Nothing, nothing will survive somehow.
    5. Russkiy53
      Russkiy53 17 March 2014 13: 37
      +3
      In the name of not drowning them, together with the crews, in which case ... because in the minds of the new government there is a big question ... in general, the big question is is there something ...
    6. iConst
      iConst 17 March 2014 17: 29
      +10
      Quote: Cristall
      ... I have more a question about the moral and ethical and international assessment of such an action.

      Questions of a moral and ethical plan no longer exist. It is the practice of America and the gay union (I apologize, but I will not name it otherwise) of double standards. There are only interests. In this regard, the concept of "international assessment" disappears as meaningless.

      Quote: Cristall
      ... even kill me, I can’t find any reason for joy here!

      Fools rejoice. I'm not happy at all. I have always respected Ukrainians very much and I consider the Ukrainian language one of the most beautiful Slavic languages. Incidentally, he is closer to the Old Slavic than the real Russian.

      Quote: Cristall
      Are you guys completely crazy?

      Yes, no - you guys are crazy. See how we are pushed together by our foreheads, and even we are being led on occasion.

      Quote: Cristall
      but why block the Navy? Such a big threat to the Black Sea Fleet?

      I think two goals were pursued: to delay the fleet and prevent a possible collision and incline it to the side of the ARC. I understand and respect your patriotic feelings.
      But let's look from this point of view: during the collapse of the USSR, Russia honestly gave up some of its weapons (even nuclear weapons).
      Why now Ukraine does not share with the Crimea?

      EBN, at one time, didn’t even give a hint about Crimea, although, you must admit, morally and ethically Crimea got to Ukraine, as it were, not according to its status. But Ukraine was cunningly silent.

      Quote: Cristall
      When does it all stop? Where is the official explanation of the situation.

      So you tell me: when will it stop? I see (youtube in both hands) calls for the Nazis to hang, kill with moss. The impostor "leaders" openly call for violence against Russian speakers. So what? Calmly look at it?

      Quote: Cristall
      I’m not joking, in fact, in the office, even from veterans of the USSR I hear exclamations that do not delight the mind. Smart men are outraged. No one supported Maidan disagree with Kiev but absolutely disagree with this action. A lot of people who are against this!

      You did not support the Maidan, but did not oppose it. You still did not understand that the eggs and others simply made you hostages of NATO. A bomb will be brought to you at the door - would you sit still?

      Quote: Cristall
      And imagine they will be ready for a war for "justice"
      because justice for them will be the cessation of these actions.

      You do not see anything further than your nose. I repeat once again - your mugs rolled a cannon to my house. And do not hide that right now they are craving at the door. My actions? You are an advocate of moral and ethical relations: well, I'm waiting for my assessment of what has been expressed.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 17 March 2014 18: 03
        +5
        Quote: iConst
        But let's look from this point of view: during the collapse of the USSR, Russia honestly gave part of its weapons ....

        For some reason, no one recalls the Black Sea Civil Fleet, which almost all went to Ukraine.

        PS
        I live in Sochi, and the flag next to my avatar is blue winked
        What is it for ?
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 18 March 2014 00: 58
          0
          Quote: Bad_gr
          What is it for ?

          This is a reason for panic - while it is blue, what if it brightens for a couple of tones? laughing
    7. Simonov
      Simonov 17 March 2014 19: 59
      +8
      There is an explanation.
      Firstly. Ships are not sunk, crews are not shot, pennants are in place.
      Secondly. The officers of these ships were not born yesterday, but most have already taken the oath to the Soviet Union. So that precedent is already there.
      Thirdly. The ship is not an airfield, the ship is packed with weapons. There is no need to give an excuse to any non-drunken midshipman to implement the nonsense of "America!" The muddy glitches of such Rimbaud must be stopped initially.
    8. Black
      Black 17 March 2014 21: 30
      +2
      Quote: Cristall
      so far only to the detriment of the general idea.


      I understand you in your anger. That's just, I want to ask, what is this "general idea"?
      It seems to me that the ideas and ideals have become very different. Today in the Rada registered a bill on entry into NATO.
      If this is the idea that you are talking about, then it is not harmful. and for the benefit, including for the Ukrainian people.
    9. Amateur
      Amateur 17 March 2014 21: 58
      +3
      Look, Cristal with a female avatar (probably means gender reassignment). What other fleet are you talking about. He, indeed, was locked so as not to fall into the possessed Yarosh and not be used against the freedom-loving people of the Republic of Crimea. And this is now his property. Have people died? No. Was the Ukrainian sailors forced to do anything (like the Soviet sailors of the Black Sea Fleet in the 90s)? No. Was the violence used? No. Oh, about the blockade .... Nothing, unlock, but without you. Since these ships are no longer Ukrainian. Well, I wish you and all your like-minded people to endure and endure what the "new authorities" are preparing for you. Get ready for mobilization, my dear, unless of course you are of the fair sex. I just don't know what ideals you will have to defend and from whom. Here is your whole "moral and ethical question".
      1. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 18 March 2014 06: 05
        +1
        Amateur "Look, Cristal with a female avatar (probably means gender reassignment)"
        They are preparing to enter Europe. In advance)))
    10. 310815
      310815 17 March 2014 22: 42
      +2
      "... Is there any explanation at all? ..."
      I think they didn’t even want a hypothetical possibility of a “head-on” withdrawal of Russian and Ukrainian sailors against each other. If so, then I support, because Despite the situation, Russia and Ukraine are fraternal countries and there is no need to darken the history of relations with bloodshed. I hope it will not come to this between our countries.
    11. Suhow
      Suhow 18 March 2014 02: 06
      -3
      Many actions of the Russian Armed Forces cause misunderstanding and anti-Russian sentiments and some komenty and (-) this only reinforces. The fraternal peoples who won the Great Patriotic War do not do this and not all go smoothly but do not. Moreover, our trio (new government) calls for cooperation. Yanyk was legitimate until he escaped; now he has no faith.
    12. papik09
      papik09 18 March 2014 04: 05
      +2
      Maybe I’m wrong, but the Navy was blocked because morons like Turchinov and Yaytseknyuh gave orders for mobilization. But the Russian Federation does not want to shed blood, that’s flooded hi
  21. andrey682006
    andrey682006 17 March 2014 13: 22
    +12
    Quote: Cristall
    ...
    I’m not joking, in fact, in the office, even from veterans of the USSR I hear exclamations that do not delight the mind. Smart men are outraged. No one supported Maidan disagree with Kiev but absolutely disagree with this action. A lot of people who are against this!
    And imagine they will be ready for a war for "justice"
    because justice for them will be the cessation of these actions.
    ...


    For some reason, I do not believe you and your office. Too many provocations from the Ukrainian trolls. Up to reports of the link to Siberia.
    You would be better offended by the lawlessness of the nationalists on the Maidan. Yes early. And not in words.
    Then I would not have to blame the Black Sea Fleet for blocking the fairway.
    Flooding of a ship is a necessary measure in the face of uncertainty.
  22. rocketman
    rocketman 17 March 2014 13: 28
    0
    I agree with you. I think that both Putin and Kiev expected that Ukrainian troops in Crimea would quickly take the Russian or some kind of oath for the Russian salary, and that was the end. And here people did not change the oath, they had the honor in place. And now no one knows what to do with them - neither Putin nor Kiev. Especially Kiev. Already created a working group on evacuation. Where and why? in the open field? This we have already passed ...
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 17 March 2014 17: 31
      +4
      Quote: rocketman
      And here people did not change the oath, they had the honor in place.

      Now the commissioner of the Maidan will come to you and you will follow his orders as dear ones. The honor was at the deputies of the Minister of Defense, who said that weapons should not be given
    2. viktorR
      viktorR 17 March 2014 21: 02
      +1
      And here people did not change the oath, they had the honor on the spot

      Many of the commanders lost this honor more than 20 years ago when they stumbled and ran to re-swear the Ukrainian sun. Of course there are those to whom this choice was not easy, and I think that they regretted it all their lives.
  23. Andrii
    Andrii 17 March 2014 14: 01
    +4
    He died as a Warrior. Nice.
  24. Alexgs
    Alexgs 17 March 2014 14: 09
    +3
    Handsome ship! Even in death, Russian weapons will benefit.
  25. Gagarin
    Gagarin 17 March 2014 14: 11
    +5
    Ochakov instead of cutting into scrap honestly took his place in the history of Russia!
  26. Guzey
    Guzey 17 March 2014 14: 19
    -1
    But I don’t understand this anymore, the appropriateness is extremely small, if any, at all, the idea of ​​preventing a fratricidal war in this way is far-fetched, that is, Sagaidachny was released from nefig, and a landing ship cannot be. But this once again infringes on the dignity of Ukrainians and gives rise, now very justifiably, to talk about oppression by Russia. So why should they give such a gift? Although it is possible, of course, that I just don’t know or don’t understand something, and all this really made sense.
    1. RPD
      RPD 17 March 2014 15: 06
      +2
      But this once again infringes on the dignity of Ukrainians and gives rise, now very justifiably, to talk about oppression by Russia.

      they have long infringed their dignity on the Maidan, Ukrainians, I think, do not care about the dignity of Bandera
    2. coserg 2012
      coserg 2012 17 March 2014 15: 24
      +1
      Are we oppressing dignity? They dig gas and scream the guard. get and yelling the guard. Sagaidachny left to lie on the fairway of Odessa, just not yet time.
    3. Eugene
      Eugene 17 March 2014 15: 40
      +5
      Sometimes, in order to wean a cat to shit in the corner, they poke its face in its own. At the same time, it infringes its dignity. Something similar is observed here. But there are no complaints to the personnel and officers of the Ukrainian Navy. All questions are about the non-government of Ukraine.
    4. surovts.valery
      surovts.valery 17 March 2014 17: 05
      +4
      "Sagaidachny" came to Odessa from military service, from the Gulf of Aden, without going to Sevastopol. Also, ships of the coast guard (border guards) came to Odessa: two PSKR, the presidential yacht "Crimea", some other boats, I don’t remember their exact number, from Balaklava. Several units also managed to leave Kerch, to Berdyansk, but I could not find information about why they were released. Either they didn’t have time to block it, or they really allowed it. That's all - the border guards. Not a single ship or auxiliary vessel left the Ukrainian Navy or Crimea. If you have a desire, go to the Balancer - Marine forum, in the "Ukrainian Navy" branch there is all the information. It seems to me that blocking the military units and ships of Ukraine made sense. Neutralization of a potential armed adversary, I stress - a potential one. Today is a friend-ally, and tomorrow?
      1. Guzey
        Guzey 17 March 2014 18: 09
        0
        Thanks, I can’t put any pluses yet
    5. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 17 March 2014 18: 17
      +2
      Quote: Guzey
      But this once again infringes on the dignity of the Ukrainians and gives rise, now very justifiably, to talk about oppression by Russia ....
      In Ukraine, thugs seized power. And where is the guarantee that they will not sign the Ukrainian fleet in their showdowns?
      and so, they will stand in the bay, they will be more whole.
  27. Rescuer
    Rescuer 17 March 2014 15: 08
    +3
    The large anti-submarine ship Ochakov is the second representative of Project 1134B (code “Berkut-B "


    The cipher as if hints ...
  28. Eugene
    Eugene 17 March 2014 15: 36
    +6
    From the moment when the Ochakov was flooded, it became clear that the jokes were over. Crimea returned to its homeland ...
  29. xomaNN
    xomaNN 17 March 2014 15: 53
    +4
    And now the question has become urgent: the sides of the Navy in Donuzlav are locked. Will they hand over ships and crews will leave partially to Ukraine? Or flooded themselves at the wall?
  30. crambol
    crambol 17 March 2014 16: 26
    +2
    The last parade of the BOD "Ochakov"


    Death trampled death. Glory to him!
  31. indiggo
    indiggo 17 March 2014 16: 45
    0
    Kerch was left alone, I think a couple of years will still serve, although it may not ...
  32. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 17 March 2014 17: 22
    +1
    Of course, there are few analogies with the Crimean war, but all the same for this ship this is a worthy completion of a career. This is his last fight! soldier
  33. Bazilevs
    Bazilevs 17 March 2014 18: 23
    +3
    Hello readers, I don’t think that those who made the decision to flood such fools are direct, to write a museum here, one writes in the comments, and who will go there and how much it costs to keep the engine at the pier and so on, probably the decision was made not by fools but those who possesses more information on the cruiser, in the current situation, in my opinion, the decision is justified and in general we should forget about all of us and the Maidan-Bander logs, which is far from the appearance of Ukraine as a country and all the great ukrov Black Sea was called Russian !!! and that says a lot :)
  34. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 17 March 2014 18: 43
    0
    I read somewhere, flooded in order not to release an unknown submarine back from the lake. Has anyone else heard of this?
    1. The comment was deleted.
  35. Simonov
    Simonov 17 March 2014 19: 45
    +4
    Quote from the forum of residents of Sevastopol:
    "At the moment (March 05, 2014, 15.00) the Ukrainian Navy's naval structure is blocked in three Crimean bays.

    1. Sevastopol (Northern) Bay:
    - Corvette "Ternopil" U209
    - Control ship "Slavutich" U510
    - Sea tug "Korets" U830
    - Tug "Krasnoperekopsk" U947

    2. Streletskaya bay of Sevastopol:
    - Submarine "Zaporozhye" U01
    - Priluki U153 Missile Boat
    - Rocket corvette "Dnieper" U155
    - Corvette "Lutsk" U205
    - Corvette "Khmelnitsky" U208
    - Ship management "Donbass" U500
    - Hydrographic boat "Skvira" U635
    - Rescue tug "Kremenets" U705
    - Search and rescue ship Izyaslav U706
    - Transport Dzhankoy U754
    - Transport Sudak U756
    - Tanker Bakhmach U759
    - Tanker Fastov U760
    - Ship degaussing Balta U811
    - Ship control physical fields Severodonetsk U812
    - Kilektorny ship "Shostka" U852
    - Plavsklad "Zolotonosha" U855
    - Tug "Dubno" U953
    - Waste collection vessel U954
    - Boat "Chigirin" U540
    - Training boat "Smila" U541
    - Training boat "New Kakhovka" U542
    - Fire boat "Borschiv" U722
    - Diving boat "Romny" U732
    - Diving boat "Tokmak" U733
    - Sanitary boat Sokal U782
    - Passenger boat "Illichivsk" U783
    - Plavkran "Kalanchak" U802
    - Boat "Korosten" U853
    - Boat U926 (SBU)

    3. Novoozernoye (Lake Donuzlav)
    - Corvette "Vinnitsa" U206
    - Sea minesweeper "Chernigov" U310
    - Sea minesweeper "Cherkasy" U311
    - Raid minesweeper "Genichesk" U360
    - Medium landing ship "Kirovograh" U401
    - Large landing ship "Konstantin Olshansky" U402
    - Fire-fighting boat "Evpatoria" U728
    - Transport "Gorlovka" U753
    - Sea tug "Kovel" U831
    - Anti-sabotage boat "Feodosia" U240
    - Torpedo boat "Kherson" U891
    - Tow boat "Novoozernoe" U942 "
    Several border ships from Balaklava, "Getman Sagaidachny", some kind of corvette, and a former government yacht left for Odessa.
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 18 March 2014 06: 08
      0
      Simonov "Several border ships from Balaklava," Getman Sagaidachny ", some kind of corvette, and a former government yacht left for Odessa."
      The remaining ships to return to their previous names!
  36. visuvius
    visuvius 17 March 2014 21: 59
    0
    Divers and tourists will appreciate the gift ..
  37. Sergei75
    Sergei75 17 March 2014 22: 02
    0
    Interestingly, the years go by, time is running out, and after all, years later, it could have become an interesting museum exhibit ... It is a pity that now everything is estimated with money and we are not talking about a specific BOD, but in general, how the legendary light artillery cruiser "Kirov" was put on pins and needles , otherwise, apart from the layout of the "Aurora" there is little interesting
  38. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 17 March 2014 22: 13
    +4
    Oh, if you only knew how much money was laundered for the repair of "Ochakov" in Moscow through Sevastopol ... 20 years they pretended to be repairing, the whole enterprise with a staff of 120 people, and a whole wing of the plant management was created in the SMZ. There was a joke at Sevmorzavod that the "Ochakov" hull could already be sheathed with precious metal.
  39. Saburo
    Saburo 17 March 2014 23: 30
    +1
    Now, after all, it still needs to be lifted and disassembled. I understand correctly? Or will the Ukrainian fleet be pickled there until the end of time?
    1. Simonov
      Simonov 18 March 2014 13: 08
      +3
      He is already the fleet of the Crimean Republic, in fact.
  40. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 18 March 2014 17: 24
    +4
    Many probably remember "Ochakov" from the famous and cult movie "Solo Voyage" (1986, directed by M. Tumanishvili, starring M. Nozhkin, A. Fatyushin, R. Begalin, A. Inshakov) where he is essentially played himself - a destroyer with an onboard "703" ...
    Not a man of course, but still humanly sorry. One of the most beautiful warships. And one of the best in its class ...
    Rest in peace. You have honorably fulfilled your duty to the Motherland ...

    The famous "seven hundred and third" ...
    1. 1969s9691g.
      1969s9691g. 18 March 2014 19: 41
      -7
      Russia awaits the fate of the USSR. There is no doubt about this. Read a couple of books about the Western approach to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Everything will return to normal. Although all the moronic politicians are the only ones to blame.
      1. iConst
        iConst 18 March 2014 20: 13
        +6
        Quote: 1969с9691г.
        Russia awaits the fate of the USSR. There is no doubt about this. Read a couple of books about the Western approach to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Everything will return to normal. Although all the moronic politicians are the only ones to blame.

        Nothing can be ruled out. But there is a chance. And he is less likely to have this scenario if all the Slavic peoples united. Belarusians, Ukrainians, Russians, Serbs, Slovenes, Slovaks ...

        Like it or not - but Western Europe and the overseas Masons still want to destroy the Slavic culture.

        See for yourself - Ukrainians have driven into their heads the idea of ​​imaginary sovereignty.
        Here is the answer - what is it? Sovereignty? Signs of what you have now and did not have in Ukraine under the USSR?

        For some reason, in the United States, states (and these are precisely states) do not seek to leave the federation. Yes Yes. The USA is the same federation as Russia. There is federal and local law.
        And Europe, in fact, is already a federation. The whole world is united, and only the Slavic peoples are driven into the head the idea of ​​separation.

        Think at your leisure.
    2. desant_doktor
      desant_doktor April 2 2014 17: 02
      +1
      Of course we remember! Great played! good Everlasting memory!
  41. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 24 March 2014 17: 31
    +1
    People you did not understand the most important thing, you are guilty of what happened: Khrushchev, Gorbachev and the three main alcoholics - Yeltsin, Kravchuk, Shushkevich (Belarusian). The rest is the fault of the people who "freely" elected their preziks. In the 80s, a survey of those who want to live in Ukraine (namely in Ukraine, and not Bender's in Ukraine) would show an amazing result "YES"! A huge part of the population of the Russian Federation went to Ukraine "for food". And where did it all go? As the "maydanutye" yaytsenyuk shout: "The Russians have plundered and starved Ukraine," but for 23 years it has been "independent", but a worn-out record has been playing - again, the Russian Federation is to blame for Ukraine being wrong. Now for the complete "happiness" of Ukrainians, the EU is needed - to reduce pensions, wages and raise the retirement age. I remind in the Russian Federation the pension of women from 55 years old.
    "Every nation is worthy of its ruler"
  42. Sergei75
    Sergei75 27 March 2014 19: 16
    0
    Guys, but he was flooded and what will lie like that? All the same, you need to raise it .... Truth can be in parts ...
  43. Status
    Status 29 March 2014 17: 09
    0
    Quote: Cristall
    I have more a question about the moral and ethical and international assessment of such an action. That is, the fleet of another country is deliberately blocked (this is done not by Crimeans, but by Russians)
    even kill me I can’t find any reason for joy here! Are you guys completely crazy? What if the insane were found? Okay, Ukrainians are generally the most patient people .. everything will endure. But to rejoice at the fact that they flooded and block part of the fleet - is this how to evaluate?
    In general, is there any explanation?
    Yes, I soberly assess - Crimea wanted in the Russian Federation, I even told the "patriots" that a coup and the abolition of the regional language --- they will provoke trouble. And he even wished good luck to Sevastopol and Crimea. That is, Crimea can certainly count on independence (but where is the civilized withdrawal in general?) - but why block the Ukrainian Navy? Such a big threat to the Russian Black Sea Fleet? No, Threat to Crimea? Well, the fleet can of course stand on wheels and go to parliament ...
    When does it all stop? Where is the official explanation of the situation. I do not support either Kiev or Moscow. One threw them although the oath binds, the second blocks without official reasons but with obvious actions.
    It is this incomprehensible blockade of times, incomprehensible actions in relation to the sailors and military personnel of Ukraine in the Crimea (they have nothing to take and evaporate that you see) - this is now being played out in the media as unlawfulness and illegal action - equal to a military threat.
    I’m not joking, in fact, in the office, even from veterans of the USSR I hear exclamations that do not delight the mind. Smart men are outraged. No one supported Maidan disagree with Kiev but absolutely disagree with this action. A lot of people who are against this!
    And imagine they will be ready for a war for "justice"
    because justice for them will be the cessation of these actions.
    Here even our media is not needed - you read this article, the impression that you are waging war not with Kiev, but with us. And rejoice- "victories" Blocked the fleet of another country, which "suffers".
    How to be? How do you explain to us, ordinary Ukrainians that this is good? For the good of what exactly? I personally see this not at all for the good, but so far only to the detriment of the general idea.
    Have done the job, calculate the profits ... all this is hypocritical and disgusting. I think sponsors in Kiev even rub their hands.


    Your verbal diarrhea is disgusting to read, who is that?
  44. tomcat117
    tomcat117 31 March 2014 19: 27
    +2
    Quote: Nayhas
    WHAT FOR! Well, they still took the Crimea, why was Ochakov drowned? There, in addition to Ochakov, three more ships were sunk ...


    Ships as an example to soldiers and sailors, fulfilled their duty to the end, without weapons, with honor - for RUSSIA! Glory to them, new, powerful ones will come to their place, in memory of them with the same names, instilling fear in the enemy, leading ours to victory! How else?