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Ukraine: the new "Caribbean crisis"?

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Ukraine: the new "Caribbean crisis"?



The last meeting of Lavrov-Kerry before the referendum in the Crimea lasted almost four hours in London. At the end of it, in the photo from the press conference, Sergey Lavrov looked stern, said that the meeting was “useful”, “Kerry did not threaten”, “Russia does not have an invasion plan for Ukraine”. John Kerry looked off to the side; he repeated the American theses on the illegitimacy of the referendum in the Crimea and the sanctions against Russia. That is, the summit ended to no avail for the Americans: Russia refused to follow in the wake of US policy.

What is left overs? Still, four o'clock spoke ...

Perhaps Lavrov very much asked Kerry to put pressure on his ambassador Payette in Kiev so that he would not even think of repeating it in Kharkov, and in general in the south-east of Ukraine, the Kiev Maidan. And, perhaps, he said that Moscow’s patience is running out, and she will tell the truth about who actually took power in Ukraine, and can provide documentary evidence. The former head of the Security Service of Ukraine Yakimenko arrived in Moscow not with empty hands ...

Our permanent representative to the UN, Vitaly Churkin, hinted at this: “The world would learn a lot of interesting things if Washington told the truth about its role in the occurrence and development of the crisis in Ukraine.” If we translate from a diplomatic language, this is a warning about the inevitable revelation if the US starts a new phase of escalation around events in Ukraine: then the world will know this truth ...

Telephone conversations of our Western “colleagues” during the “Maidan” about completely provocative cases that were published on the Internet, and caused international scandals, suggest that new revelations are possible. What could be other interesting “conversations” that have not yet been made public, and Lavrov introduced Kerry to them? Then it is clear why he “did not threaten”, and generally looked away ...

But the most important thing that Lavrov said: Moscow does not need intermediaries in relations with Ukraine, which means that there will be no relations and negotiations with puppets in Kiev. What then will be?

Then relations between Russia and Ukraine will begin to “collapse” rapidly, perhaps the Russian-Ukrainian border will be completely closed for everyone and everything, except for refugees. Perhaps the cessation of gas supplies to Ukraine, if not paid the debt to Gazprom. By the way, the EU hastened to declare that Gazprom will be paid from the trenches allocated to Ukraine. This is about 2-s billion dollars! So much for sanctions!

It seems that the West will soon have no time for sanctions! The rupture of economic relations between Russia and Ukraine is the “quick morgue” of the Ukrainian economy, and huge problems for the West. After all, he promised "Marshall Plan" for Ukraine! And today he speaks about one or two billion dollars, and then around April! Until April, Ukraine may simply not live: this amount is enough only to pay off debts to Gazprom.

Instead of help from Europe, the Ukrainian people are waiting for cuts in pensions, wages, social benefits, massive cuts in production, according to new agreements with the IMF. After such a “Marshall Plan”, the separated Crimea will become an island of tranquility, but in Ukraine everything will start, the main events of the Euro-Maid choice.

After all, the Kiev nationalist Maidan, several thousand armed militants in the center of the capital are waiting for Western help! They were promised that the West will help, and he is waiting for his last strength: he is already starting to fire at night ... The Maidan is already speaking at the meeting about his dissatisfaction with the Yatsenyuk government, what will the militants say when they are transferred to the American dry ration? This "help" Yatsenyuk lucky from America after negotiations with Obama ...

Now the question becomes relevant: from whom will the government of Yatsenyuk fall? From the armed Maidan and flourished Makhnovshchina in the "new Ukraine", or the uprising of a hungry people who took to the streets of the workers who lost their jobs? The dilemma between a very bad ending and a very, very bad one.

But the "invasion of the Russian troops" really will not. In the Crimea, after all, there was no invasion! In the south-east of Ukraine, if it "begins" there, Russia will most likely provide assistance to local Self-Defense Forces, according to the Crimean scenario.

American political scientist Lyndon LaRouche said that “on the margins of Ukraine, the US is trying to break Russia,” or, we add, Russia will break the unipolar American world. Such high stakes explain Washington’s bitterness over the Crimea, and Russia's position on Ukraine in general. And bring to mind the 1962 Caribbean crisis of the year.

He broke out at the side of the United States, then they were preparing an invasion of Cuba, and the Soviet Union took it under protection, and deployed atomic missiles in Cuba. The world hung in the balance ... The crisis in Ukraine is near Russia, it has its own specifics, but analogies are visible, in fact, the new crisis will also determine the fate of the world: unipolar or multipolar.

The cooling of relations between Russia and the West is considered by most analysts to be inevitable, but to whom will it benefit more? The non-Western world will support Russia, India and China make it clear already. Russia has no choice: Moscow is behind Ukraine!
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  1. Igor39
    Igor39 17 March 2014 08: 52
    +37
    Putin beat the CIA and their European subsidiary, all they have to do is not recognize this, although this is also a stupid position.
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 17 March 2014 09: 09
      +47
      And the photo of the article is very cool, he was laughing at the top of his mouth.

      Quote: Author Victor Kamenev
      Russia will most likely provide assistance to the local Self-Defense Forces, according to the Crimean scenario.

      That’s absolutely right, the comrade says, no one is invading, only help! Self-Defense Forces:



      Congratulations to all Crimeans and Russia with the addition!
      1. avant-garde
        avant-garde 17 March 2014 09: 14
        +25
        Here in Omsk at the station they write that they are sent to the west somewhere!
        1. avant-garde
          avant-garde 17 March 2014 09: 16
          +5
          Here are such platforms!
          1. avant-garde
            avant-garde 17 March 2014 09: 16
            +6
            I don’t know how in one post there are a lot of pictures to mark sorry I’m still such a photo. Open in a new tab. Who knows how to put several photos in one post tell me. Thank!
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            2. matross
              matross 17 March 2014 09: 56
              +12
              Yes, damn it, now it’s easy to work as a scout - I’ve entered the Internet and an intelligence message is ready: the source says that yesterday from Omsk ... etc. bully
              1. 225chay
                225chay 17 March 2014 10: 19
                +1
                Quote: matRoss
                I went into the Internet and the intelligence message was ready: the source reports that yesterday from Omsk ... etc.


                a long time ago! FULL LAYOUT NOTED ...
              2. Cynic
                Cynic 17 March 2014 14: 05
                +10
                Quote: matRoss
                that yesterday from Omsk ..

                Not from, but through Omsk!
                And how many trains there were ...
                Here the humor is that the equipment and armor are in no way camouflaged! Absolutely openly stands on platforms _ Look from orbit and strangle yourself quickly!
                Turn around in the march!
                Verbal is not a place for slander.
                Hush, speakers!
                Your
                word,
                Comrade Mauser.
            3. Pacificus
              Pacificus 17 March 2014 12: 08
              +5
              Eh ... modern technology winked Previously, for the sake of such photos, the Americans sent whole expeditions of spies, but now please .. on every info site are lying around. Look, I do not want to. where-where-from-when. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but even reading this site, and especially not straining, you can see what forces, when, from where and where to move. This is not right ... No.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 March 2014 09: 34
          +4
          Quote: avant-garde
          they write that they’re sending them to the west!

          Somewhere ??? - smiled laughing
        3. bubalik
          bubalik 17 March 2014 09: 41
          +29
          avant-garde (1) RU  Today, 09: 14 ↑
          that they’re sending to the west!

          where where? request on a free tour ,,, wink
          1. demon184
            demon184 17 March 2014 13: 08
            +11
            Yes, they answered for Sevastopol, now in Europe I want to ask them for my grandfather.
          2. allexx83
            allexx83 17 March 2014 23: 41
            +1
            Tank excursion along the route "Simferopol-Kiev-Brussels", with the obligatory laying on of May 9 flowers to the Reichstag laughing
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        5. ren1999
          ren1999 17 March 2014 11: 06
          +3
          Thanks Agent Vanguard. Come on Thursday for a fee.
          1. avant-garde
            avant-garde 17 March 2014 11: 23
            +1
            Quote: ren1999
            Thanks Agent Vanguard. Come on Thursday for a fee.

            What ???
        6. theadenter
          theadenter 17 March 2014 13: 27
          +1
          Attached - now it is necessary to fix the territory! good
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      3. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 17 March 2014 09: 18
        +38
        Sergey Lavrov looked stern, said that the meeting was “useful,” “Kerry didn’t threaten,” “Russia has no plan to invade Ukraine.” John Kerry was looking off to the side,
        In general, our upper class diplomats showed ..! Competently clearly adequately responded to all attacks on the Russian side! For a long time, I was not so proud of my country! And the Olympics is generally a fairy tale .. When they played the Russian anthem, everyone got up and did not scream ... We began to respect us because we showed the whole world that we are a strong nation worthy of our great ancestors and this is only the beginning!
        1. I do not care
          I do not care 17 March 2014 09: 26
          +37
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Sergey Lavrov looked stern, said that the meeting was “useful,” “Kerry didn’t threaten,” “Russia has no plan to invade Ukraine.” John Kerry was looking off to the side,
          1. Rusin Dima
            Rusin Dima 17 March 2014 10: 06
            +3
            The class laughed heartily
        2. 120352
          120352 17 March 2014 10: 09
          +4
          Yes, Lavrov and Churkin are not Shevardnadze!
          And as for the Caribbean crisis, so what about our missiles in Cuba again?
          It would be necessary to come to an agreement with the Greenland Eskimos and there to put something amusing to the soul, so that on both sides there was where the joy to wait.
          Yes, and this is not enough. They surrounded us from all sides, but we have nothing in Chukotka, although it used to be ...
          And about Ukraine. It’s time for the girl to return home to Russia, she has already walked up ... Yes, she can grab Poland with Hungary and Romania. We are familiar to them. And if you grabbed there among the NATO hooligans of which, we’ll cure it, not in the first.
          1. Strezhevchanin
            Strezhevchanin 17 March 2014 10: 34
            +40
            Vitali zhzhot laughing
            1. Mature Hrych
              Mature Hrych 17 March 2014 11: 59
              +1
              Damn smiled)))))) Bold plus-like! (photo clickable)
            2. Black
              Black 17 March 2014 14: 04
              +7
              Vitaly Churkin for the way he brought this fool to hysterics, and then publicly, in fact, told her to pick up the snot and leave (this is the reason why the elite laughs!) Needs "For services to the Fatherland" ... with bows and swords! !!!
        3. asar
          asar 17 March 2014 11: 41
          +4
          a Russian bear gets up, lies in a den! But spring is on the verge! how it will stand on its hind legs, how it will appear! that's how everyone flinched !!! angry
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 March 2014 09: 33
      +18
      Quote: Igor39
      they just have to not admit it, although this is also a stupid position.

      They do not recognize, but it will be done for them by their own press.
      But about the fact that the khan’s economy will come to the Ukrainian economy, it’s already a fact. It will rise east, Kiev will go bankrupt, although it has lost quite a bit now. Oil and gas fields, loot for the fleet, gas discount, budget loot from the Crimea and much more .
      Revolution Guy Gib Hurray wassat
      1. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 17 March 2014 10: 21
        +2
        They may still try to make a mess in Ukraine, so it’s too early to relax.
        1. AVV
          AVV 17 March 2014 12: 35
          +2
          Quote: INVESTOR
          They may still try to make a mess in Ukraine, so it’s too early to relax.

          Russia used American weapons, applied soft power to America, i.e. turned back to her !!! And they say it worked !!!
          1. Simple
            Simple 17 March 2014 18: 00
            +2
            Quote: AVV
            Russia used American weapons, applied soft power to America, i.e. turned back to her !!! And they say it worked !!!


            More concise:

            Their fat on their own face. laughing
      2. neri73-r
        neri73-r 17 March 2014 12: 16
        +3

        Alexander Romanov
        loot for the fleet


        No, with the fleet we helped them .... now you don’t need to keep it! stop
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 17 March 2014 15: 13
          +3
          Quote: neri73-r
          with the fleet we helped them .... now it is not necessary to maintain it!

          Since they maintained their fleet, it would be better to have flooded following the example of Nakhimov. But the loot for the basing of our, Black Sea Fleet, they will not see. Now this amount is 80-90 million dollars. will receive the Crimean government, and not as before only 30%.
      3. demon184
        demon184 17 March 2014 13: 11
        +2
        Salo Ukraine - Heroes of Fat
        1. viktorR
          viktorR 17 March 2014 13: 54
          +1
          Not true. That's right: they dropped fat - heraam fat!
          1. DeOS78RU
            DeOS78RU 17 March 2014 14: 55
            +1
            more correct: Salo-Ukraine ... a shroud to the heroes!
    3. Tersky
      Tersky 17 March 2014 09: 43
      +10
      Quote: Igor39
      Putin beat the CIA and their European subsidiary, all they have to do is not recognize this, although this is also a stupid position.

      Putin doesn’t forgive stupidities and in Crimea alone put the entire US foreign policy department idiots. Hence the collective nervous tick of the USA and Europe. If the referendum is not legal, why bite the plaster from the walls of the White House? Want to trick people? So it’s in vain, people know where the wind is blowing from.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 17 March 2014 15: 20
        +1
        Quote: Tersky
        Hence the US collective nervous tick

        They have a nervous tick from the insane dumb dumb! But they know that this will not end, so they spawn, seeking salvation in sanctions and (God forbid!) Adventures. Loot something to work out!
    4. 225chay
      225chay 17 March 2014 10: 33
      +5
      Quote: Igor39
      Putin beat the CIA and their European subsidiary, all they have to do is not recognize this, although this is also a stupid position.

      It's nice damn it! Heat the Americans and send them ... somewhere
      "Caribbean crisis" ? Fuck, our people are not afraid of the Western "homosexual" nag.
    5. zanoza
      zanoza 17 March 2014 12: 06
      +9
      John, I told you you were wrong ?!
      Yes, I understand everything, I understand, forgive Sergey ...
      1. Simple
        Simple 17 March 2014 18: 06
        +3
        Quote: zanoza
        John, I told you you were wrong ?!
        Yes, I understand everything, I understand, forgive Sergey ...



        Four hours of diplomatic conversation with Serly Lavrov make themselves felt. laughing
    6. neri73-r
      neri73-r 17 March 2014 12: 13
      +3
      what will the militants say when they are transferred to American rations?



      This is not rations, but crackers, the Americans, too, with humor, hint !!! laughing
      1. demon184
        demon184 17 March 2014 13: 15
        +3
        But diapers are included in the dry ration, Bendera’s have no money for washing powder, than to wash off his pants when the southeast goes to free Kiev?
    7. baltika-18
      baltika-18 17 March 2014 14: 33
      +5
      Quote: Igor39
      Putin defeated the CIA and their European branch, they just can’t recognize

      It is not a fact yet. The 1994 Budapest agreements on the territorial integrity and nuclear-free status of Ukraine have been violated. Who will now prevent the so-called "Western partners" from transferring about half a hundred tactical nuclear warheads to an independent one, so to speak, to improve health. early.
      Still to come. This is just the beginning.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 17 March 2014 15: 31
        +2
        Quote: baltika-18
        Who now will suddenly prevent the so-called "Western partners" from handing over half a hundred tactical nuclear warheads to the independent

        The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which they signed, will interfere. And in 2's, they don’t let all NATO members play this expensive toy. So there is no improvement in well-being - is not expected.
        Quote: baltika-18
        Still to come. This is just the beginning.

        Apparently - yes. Need to prepare, and seriously. Well, if the case is transferred to deep. plane. How not? Then we’ll see for whom China will subscribe, or will stand aside, as in a UN vote on the non-recognition of the Crimean referendum.
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        2. atalef
          atalef 17 March 2014 15: 36
          +2
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty they signed

          It doesn’t hurt if there is a NATO base in Ukraine, then under an intergovernmental agreement, the States will be able to calmly keep nuclear weapons there, as they do in Germany or Italy

          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          And secondly, they don’t let all NATO members play this expensive toy.

          No one is allowed to play. Nuclear weapons are prohibited from being transferred by the same NPT
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          zka whom China will subscribe

          It’s not exactly for the Russian Federation, he doesn’t need problems with Tibet, otherwise tomorrow they will hold a referendum to Nepal, and in India Kashmir will go to Pakistan, etc.
          Russia in this matter will not receive support from anywhere
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 17 March 2014 16: 03
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            For Russia, that's for sure, he does not need problems with Tibet, otherwise tomorrow ...

            And then there are no problems? Won recently the massacre at the railway station to them, the separatists, attached.
            It's nice to talk with an intelligent person, even though you didn't say anything about Taiwan.
            Quote: atalef
            Russia in this matter will not receive support from anywhere

            Well, your lie, there are already those who supported it.

            And where is the dear Professor ?
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            2. atalef
              atalef 17 March 2014 16: 10
              0
              Quote: Cynic
              Well, your lie, there are already those who supported it. And where is the respected Professor?

              Abkhazia with Ossetia? Or who ?
              I don’t know where the professor is, but in general lately Ukraine has been full of politics and politics, thank God this doesn’t concern us, but to participate in fraternal laughing dismantling we certainly do not need anything.
              Quote: Cynic
              even though you were silent about Taiwan.

              Taiwan is a bit different compote
              Of course, I would remember the referendum of 1992 in Tatarstan - but I'm afraid the people will not understand. Again about double standards will begin to write. Although the analogies are so obvious - I don’t even know what to say.
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 17 March 2014 16: 41
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                Abkhazia with Ossetia? Or who ?

                A term such as DELICATE SUPPORT is now in use, in the sense that if they do not scold, then ... laughing
                Now we are not scolded from the great PRC, India ...
                Quote: atalef
                thank God it doesn’t concern us

                Well, yes, your clean-up perform.
                Quote: atalef
                Although the analogies are so obvious - I don’t even know what to say.

                Well, don’t you know? _ There are two opinions, one correct, mine and another, wrong.
                Do not you understand, if not for this mess in Ukraine and not the threat of denunciation of the agreement on the Black Sea Fleet, then nothing like this would have happened.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 17 March 2014 16: 49
                  -3
                  Quote: Cynic
                  A term such as DELICATE SUPPORT is now in use, in the sense that if they don’t scold, then

                  That actually they do not care - as an option. In general, China and India from the problems that the United States, that Russia-will only benefit. Why should they not climb into their garden. (stubbornly) But there is definitely no support from either China or India. Do not wishful thinking

                  Quote: Cynic
                  Well yes, yours under the guise of stripping perform

                  Unfortunately, we do not have GDP, otherwise we could
                  Quote: Cynic
                  Do not you understand, if not for this mess in Ukraine and not the threat of denunciation of the agreement on the Black Sea Fleet, then nothing like this would have happened

                  Of course it’s clear. that the rights of the Russian-speaking population does not play any role here. Like the protection of an unknown person from an unknown person
                  Believe me, if Russia had not managed to make enemies from the former Soviet republics in 20 years of its mediocre foreign policy. you wouldn’t have to spend hundreds of billions of grandmas now and get NATo at hand.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 17 March 2014 16: 57
                    +5
                    Quote: atalef
                    Believe me, if Russia had not managed to make enemies from the former Soviet republics in 20 years of its mediocre foreign policy.

                    Sanya, Israel, count more than 2000 thousand years of politics, so much so that the whole world wants to destroy it wassat
                  2. Cynic
                    Cynic 17 March 2014 17: 28
                    +1
                    Quote: atalef
                    Unfortunately, we do not have GDP, otherwise we could

                    Well then glitch ?
                    http://9tv.co.il/news/2014/03/12/170887.html

                    Quote: atalef
                    Of course it’s clear. that the rights of the Russian-speaking population does not play any role here. Like the protection of an unknown person from an unknown person

                    Incorrectly respected atalef , did not expect such a passage from you.
                    Oh, you decide _ either everything is in order in Ukraine and Bandera is your first friend, or in Ukraine a mess with the glorification of fascist henchmen and violation of international treaties.
                    As ?
                    1. ImPerts
                      ImPerts 17 March 2014 19: 01
                      +2
                      Dear Cynic, let's be cynical))) Russia's national interests require the protection of the Russian-speaking population and the protection of national interests from the aggressive plans of potential adversaries throughout the former USSR)))
                      1. Cynic
                        Cynic 17 March 2014 22: 12
                        +2
                        Quote: ImPerts
                        Dear Cynic, let's be cynical)))

                        Let's .
                        Quote: ImPerts
                        The national interests of Russia require the protection of the Russian-speaking population ... throughout the territory of the former USSR)))

                        And what’s cynical dear ImPerts ?
                        Holy truth !
                        Here's the statement _ The national interests of Russia require the protection of the Russian-speaking population ... in all territories where this population lives, regardless of territorial affiliation!
                        Will have a slight touch of cynicism.
                        drinks
                      2. ImPerts
                        ImPerts 18 March 2014 14: 08
                        0
                        good
                        That’s what I had in mind, but I'm not such a cynic fellow
                      3. Cynic
                        Cynic 18 March 2014 16: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: ImPerts
                        but i'm not such a cynic

                        Learn while the current composition of the US State Department and Uncle Sam are on the world stage.
                        And then ...
                      4. ImPerts
                        ImPerts 18 March 2014 19: 35
                        +1
                        I'm so learned)))
                        What they say: "Who was not a liberal in his youth, he does not have a heart. He who did not become a conservative in his age does not have a head."
                        I am a conservative. Cynical, but adequate)))
              2. atalef
                atalef 17 March 2014 20: 25
                -1
                Quote: Cynic
                Oh, you decide _ either everything is in order in Ukraine and Bandera is your first friend, or in Ukraine a mess with the glorification of fascist henchmen and violation of international treaties.
                As ?

                No way, everyone lies, the Russian media is that in Ukraine there are only fascists and Bandera. Ukrainian - that Crimea is part of Ukraine.
                And the truth is actually in the middle.
                1. Cynic
                  Cynic 17 March 2014 22: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  , everyone lies, the Russian media is that in Ukraine there are only fascists and Bandera.

                  Father's lights!
                  Respected atalef yes you panicked!
                  Ay-ya-yay, I just want to remind you _ The weak and vulnerable will inevitably be disingenuous! Since you are cunning in your words, then you ...
                  Lies are the weapons of the weak.


                  You disappointed the audience _
            3. ImPerts
              ImPerts 17 March 2014 18: 59
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              and get NATo at your side.

              It seems to me that even if Gorbachev had signed a written agreement on the eastward expansion of NATO, they would still have found a reason (((This is not to mention some kind of verbal agreement.
              And you're talking about hundreds of billions ...
              Here, on the contrary, only a harsh response would stop the creep of NATO.
  2. baltika-18
    baltika-18 17 March 2014 15: 53
    +1
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty will hinder

    But what about the transfer to Turkey, the Netherlands and Germany?
    1. atalef
      atalef 17 March 2014 16: 12
      0
      Quote: baltika-18
      But what about the transfer to Turkey, the Netherlands and Germany?

      They were not handed over to them, there are US bases and nuclear weapons have principles of extraterritoriality. The jurisdiction of a given country is not extended to nuclear weapons located on their territory.
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  • Cynic
    Cynic 17 March 2014 15: 34
    +3
    Quote: baltika-18
    Not a fact yet. The Budapest Accords of 1994 on the territorial integrity and nuclear-free status of Ukraine have been violated.

    I didn’t expect it, the GDP was explained by _Toy Ukrainy as a state is not, respectively, and agreements.
    And what about ratification?
    Quote: baltika-18
    .Who will now stop suddenly the so-called "Western partners" from handing over half a hundred tactical nuclear warheads to the Square

    Greed, they will sell them !!!
    Obama won only promises 1 billion, EU 5, but two are already promised to Russia for gas. And if you take into account the alignment of Eurobonds, then Ukraine may not see anything from the loans!
    I’m silent, too, that their prime minister has already promised the first loan money to the National Guard!
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 17 March 2014 15: 55
      +1
      Quote: Cynic
      I didn’t expect it, but I explained the GDP. _ There are no such countries as Ukraine,
      There is no GDP. For the West, there is a catch.
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    3. atalef
      atalef 17 March 2014 16: 22
      -1
      Quote: Cynic
      I didn’t expect it, the GDP was explained by _Toy Ukrainy as a state is not, respectively, and agreements. And what about ratification?

      Well, you are definitely wrong in this. no one gave the right to GDP on the basis of personal feelings to decide whether it is a country or not and on this basis to cancel the contract

      Quote: Cynic
      Obama won only promises 1 billion, EU 5, but two are already promised to Russia for gas. And if you take into account the alignment of Eurobonds, then Ukraine may not see anything from the loans!

      Ukraine will receive as much dough - as much as necessary (at least at first) this is understandable
      Actually, in fact (in my understanding, 0 was not even in the Crimea (he was always Russian and, due to the ridiculous whim of one dollar ... and 9 was given away, it is not clear why to Ukraine)
      The problem is . that we have entered a completely gray zone and the feeling that no treaties and guarantees are working can push many countries with pre-nuclear capabilities to get nuclear weapons - as the only guarantee of security.
      This will break the NPT. will lead to an arms race, will even further divorce the world at the poles, and perfectly understanding Europe and the USA, everything has been done so that others would not be dissapointed to do something like that. So that sanctions are just around the corner and the confrontation between the Russian Federation and the West will only intensify, and this is not a one-day process, believe me. this is a long prospect.
      Listen not only to Russian TV - a lot is said about this in the West.
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 17 March 2014 17: 05
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        nobody gave the right to GDP based on personal feelings

        Well, the deputies of BP now have personal feelings, officially announced by the president of Russia at his press conference, and I don’t remember that many would rush to dispute this.
        Maybe you have before your eyes passed.
        And about ratification _
        As of 2014, the treaty has not been ratified [4] [5] [6].

        As far as I remember, it was because of the Crimea, or rather, a change in its status.
        Quote: atalef
        The problem is . that we entered a completely gray zone and the feeling that no contracts and guarantees work

        do you have this feeling just now?
        So it is from 1991 around the world, everywhere and everywhere, BUT IT WAS ONLY FOR USA and its satellites.
        Now, in fact, this is already for the USA and Russia.
        Basically nothing good, but just not about the nuclear threat. Without personnel and equipment from the USA, Russia, England, France, Germany, nobody will produce anything by themselves.
        How long have you been HELPING Iran in the nuclear program?
      2. ImPerts
        ImPerts 17 March 2014 19: 12
        +1
        The problem of Ukraine is that they will give it as much as they can. And she will have to give this money for her previous debts, while making new ones. The Russian Federation (USSR) at one time this took place.
        Somewhere it flickered that to modernize everything and everything, as well as create a competitive production and bring it to EU standards, 150.000.000.000 hedgehogs would be required. Who will give this money?
  • stariy
    stariy 17 March 2014 22: 30
    0
    Quote: baltika-18
    pieces that way half a hundred tactical nuclear charges transfer independent,

    And if Russia begins to transmit something to Iran ... wassat
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus 17 March 2014 08: 54
    +36
    Well, Crimea returned home
    And the rest I called with me
    And they came out with tricolors in their hands

    And from the West jackals howl
    But they piss on a fair fight
    Again the creatures were left in the cold


    They shout "we will punish you with a ruble"
    We silently block the gas
    And for firewood we’ll introduce you

    Do not scare jackals us
    And again, as it was already more than once
    We will stand under their strong "fire"

    And I'm proud of this spring
    This is the second in history
    When we return Crimea again

    And I want to wait May
    When the whole Ukrainian region
    He will return to the house and we will become ONE.
    Tatarus March 17, 2014
    1. major071
      major071 17 March 2014 12: 14
      +20
      Turchinov is dedicated to:

      I declare war on you
      True, the helmet presses on the ears
      And the Black Sea Fleet sink to the bottom
      Will help Yulechka in the stroller
      Bold as a Baptist at first
      I will shower you with words
      Then one paratrooper
      Lace will scare you
      No other counterarguments
      But of course I will not give up
      Obama make a blowjob
      For five rubles I’ll give myself to Klitschko
      But still I will save money
      And I’ll figure out the outfit
      Let me take a ruble for an act
      But save up for thousands of rifles
      And the army will go to Russia
      I really will stay in Kiev
      No you don't believe i'm not a coward
      A bad weather point was played out ... laughing

      major 17 / 03 / 2014
  • svp67
    svp67 17 March 2014 08: 55
    +25
    America has spent and is being spent on the Ukrainian crisis so much that she just cannot admit defeat, she wants at least what to get ... But I think that she will get the first - so BIG PROBLEMS ...
    1. svetlomor
      svetlomor 17 March 2014 09: 25
      +4
      It has already received them, if Russia begins to supply S-300 and other defensive weapons, they will spend much more to counter it, and we will have to feed hungry Ukraine.
      1. m262
        m262 17 March 2014 09: 50
        +8
        But you can’t even imagine what problems Europe got ... Catalonia - Basque country, Scotland, Venice, Cyprus - Europe can crumble like a house of cards! Pandora's box is open, and no one knows what problems will emerge from it!
        The most interesting thing is that the West has created this problem for itself wassat fool
      2. demon184
        demon184 17 March 2014 13: 17
        +3
        Southeast of Ukraine is the donor of the western regions, they do not need to be fed, and no one is going to feed the bender.
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 17 March 2014 15: 38
        +3
        Quote: svetlomor
        and we will have to feed hungry Ukraine.

        Only if it joins Russia. Here we, perhaps, would share the last piece.
      4. atalef
        atalef 17 March 2014 16: 27
        -3
        Quote: svetlomor
        It has already received them, if Russia begins to supply S-300 and other defensive weapons, they will spend much more to counter it, and we will have to feed hungry Ukraine.

        If the arms race starts, don't comfort yourself. Want a replay of the early 90s? It will certainly be harder to do. But the economy of the EU and the States is 14 times more powerful than the Russian Federation. And there is definitely an alternative to gas from the Russian Federation. And the arms race with falling gas prices .... it was already. The USSR fell apart from this.
      5. atalef
        atalef 17 March 2014 16: 27
        -2
        Quote: svetlomor
        It has already received them, if Russia begins to supply S-300 and other defensive weapons, they will spend much more to counter it, and we will have to feed hungry Ukraine.

        If the arms race starts, don't comfort yourself. Want a replay of the early 90s? It will certainly be harder to do. But the economy of the EU and the States is 14 times more powerful than the Russian Federation. And there is definitely an alternative to gas from the Russian Federation. And the arms race with falling gas prices .... it was already. The USSR fell apart from this.
        1. Magyar
          Magyar 17 March 2014 18: 44
          +1
          Good evening. In many respects I agree with you that the battle has just begun, just like the United States and Europe, this situation will not be swallowed up by very active opposition, although I think that they predicted this. Now that the USSR has collapsed from the arms race this is not true, I agree that 70% of industry worked for defense, the question was inadequate leadership of the country, that’s the main reason, by the way, the arms race didn’t stop in the United States there are still astronomical amounts for arming the country of the World cannot afford the military-industrial complex in this country is bloated to an unimaginable scale. Regarding the situation in Ukraine, and in particular Crimea, Russia has not been left with a choice and it is acting on the basis of the development of the situation, and what time will tell.
      6. Danilka
        Danilka 17 March 2014 20: 02
        0
        And did you think that this new arms race is needed by America's military corporations?
  • saag
    saag 17 March 2014 08: 56
    +12
    Well, given the fact that the United States plans to deploy nuclear weapons in five NATO countries and drag Georgia into NATO in any way, the contours of the Caribbean crisis 2.0 are quite visible
    1. W1950
      W1950 17 March 2014 09: 00
      +8
      But we still don’t give up.
    2. 120352
      120352 17 March 2014 10: 20
      +7
      And why did they disperse? We have not held a referendum in America (yet)? That's when we do it with them, then their concern will be clear. And so, to peep out the window at the neighbors and eavesdrop on their conversations is simply indecent. Although for them this is a familiar thing. Parenting is not enough. That is OK. The time will come, educate. The main thing is that slippers learn to bring them in time and serve breakfast in bed ...
      1. demon184
        demon184 17 March 2014 13: 21
        +3
        They also have some states dreaming of such a referendum, they all agree with the politics of phishington
    3. Roman555
      Roman555 17 March 2014 12: 18
      +5
      It is unlikely that they will go for it. And then those who want to place our nuclear weapons will also be found quickly.
    4. demon184
      demon184 17 March 2014 13: 20
      0
      Ours must also put nuclear weapons in South America and Cuba, and Comrade Kim will not mind waving a nuclear club.
    5. Associate Professor
      Associate Professor 17 March 2014 13: 36
      +2
      Quote: saag
      and Georgia by any means dragged into the same NATO,

      They won't take Georgia to NATO. Then you will have to fight for Georgia, if that. Do they need it? With Georgia they will have some kind of "partnership for the sake of peace"
  • Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 17 March 2014 08: 56
    +7
    It feels like Johnny is about to cry. crying
    1. Weniamin
      Weniamin 17 March 2014 09: 27
      +3
      Yeah. From tenderness!
    2. 120352
      120352 17 March 2014 10: 23
      +2
      No, he has deeper thoughts: where to find a rope softer and stronger and a piece of soap ...
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 17 March 2014 08: 58
    +34
    By a strange coincidence, US President Barack Obama began to turn gray rapidly during the tense situation in connection with the Ukrainian crisis.

    Obama's gray hair in Ukraine is Putin’s innocent fun ..
    Next in line is a HEART ATTACK for Obama - Alaska ... sad

    Kiselev anneals ... Even the Perimeter remembered, now he is probably for Obama as Levitan for Hitler

    1. I do not care
      I do not care 17 March 2014 09: 06
      +43
      Quote: Ascetic
      Obama's gray hair in Ukraine is Putin’s innocent fun ..
      1. 120352
        120352 17 March 2014 10: 28
        +5
        I do not care
        Well done, Churkin. Softly, diplomatically, without importunity, but affordable ...
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 17 March 2014 09: 10
      +31
      Quote: Ascetic
      Obama's gray hair in Ukraine is Putin’s innocent fun ..

      Benefits of Russia: you don’t have to pay for the fleet in Sevastopol, and this is about $ 100 million. Russia will receive another $ 3-4 billion without giving $ 100 a discount on gas prices for the fleet. Now everything will be added to the abolition of the preferential price of $ 268 and a refund in the price of $ 400- $ 420 which can reach the amount of $ 6 billion. That is, we can really talk about the amount of $ 10 billion. But this is not the biggest benefit for Of Russia. You can also talk about the production of hydrocarbons in the Black Sea. Plus an unsinkable aircraft carrier with an area of ​​more than 27000 sq. km. You ride here ...
      Stanislav, hi !
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 17 March 2014 09: 30
        +7
        Quote: Tersky
        for the fleet in Sevastopol, and this is the amount of about $ 100 million

        Add:
        Even for the passage in territorial waters to Sevastopol, about $ 12-14 million and other wiring and pilotage affairs were running in a year.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 17 March 2014 09: 37
        +3
        Quote: Tersky
        and a refund of $ 400- $ 420

        Vitya, you indicated a discounted price for the fleet + 100 bucks winked
        Hi hi
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 17 March 2014 09: 48
          +2
          Quote: Sergh
          Even for the passage in territorial waters to Sevastopol, about $ 12-14 million and other wiring and pilotage affairs were running in a year.
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Vitya, you indicated a discounted price for the fleet + 100 bucks

          Hi guys! Oh how! You don’t take into account everything laughing!
        2. atalef
          atalef 17 March 2014 16: 37
          -2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Victor, you indicated a discounted price for the fleet + 100 bucks draw Hi

          Sanya. for . to really look at the picture, it is advisable to try to see the picture as a whole. Or do you think Ukraine has nothing to oppose?
          Starting stupidly from the fact that it will stop buying gas from Russia. Well, the water, gas and electric energy in Kryp will be sold the same at very interesting prices - this is an option.
          Anyway, it’s stupid to consider incomes - believe me, the costs and losses from the loss of Ukraine will be tens of times more than the benefits of fleet parking and gas discounts.
          This is understandable. In general, the door has only been ajar and no one knows how this whole mess will end (except Kiselyov with his reports).
          In general, blotting out the type of the Russian Federation will incinerate America, and even on DTV - of course it's beautiful. but sometimes it's better to chew than talk. Now Obama doesn’t even need to strain, to explain something to the population. of course it’s nice to cheat cheeks - but actually, remember that the state economy is 10 times stronger (in terms of GDP) and the population is at least 3 times larger, and their allies are somehow bigger -
          and the army - well, no less. So, set real plans for yourself - so as not to be disappointed all of a sudden.
          1. Simple
            Simple 17 March 2014 20: 43
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            So, set real plans for yourself - so as not to be disappointed all of a sudden.


            Alexander, do not exaggerate in advance, otherwise the picture will not work. smile

            States do not live by a single politics. Give them a good economy.
            Economic relations Europe-Russia is a different order than economic relations US-Russia.
            Another "cold war" is not beneficial to anyone, the state of Ukraine in its current form is not worth it.

            The world, thank God, does not consist of the United States of America.
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 17 March 2014 21: 24
              +1
              Quote: Simple
              Economic relations Europe-Russia is a different order than economic relations US-Russia.


              Moreover, we have NO CONNECTIONS actually with the EU. There are only bilateral treaties with individual EU countries. And how will they impose GENERAL SANCTIONS ?. The same Holland with an annual turnover of about 90 billion dollars. give this market to someone else? A foreign car close to the heart of a motorist? If exports are stopped by Europe or the Russian Federation, then a temporary collapse will begin at the plants, because they will have to reduce production, lay off employees and sell their cars somewhere. Due to the crisis, car manufacturers are not feeling well at all.
              Koreans and Chinese - will clap their hands and earn, earn and earn again!
              Renault will lose one and more despite the factories in Russia (What we produce is still 50% percent of imported components). By the way, this is not fatal for our car industry, look at top 10 most popular cars in Russia in 2013: and draw conclusions ...
              1. Lada Granta - 166 947 cars (+ 38%), price: from 279 000 rubles
              2. Hyundai Solaris - Sold 113 cars (+ 991%), Price: from 3 rubles
              3. Kia Rio - Sold 89 788 cars (+ 6%), Price: from 499 900 rubles
              4. Renault Duster - Sold 83 cars (+ 702%), Price: from 77 rubles.
              5. Volkswagen Polo - 72 cars sold (+ 565%), Price: sedan - from 5 rubles, hatchback - from 461 rubles,
              6. Lada Kalina - Sold 67 960 cars (−43%), Price: from 311 700 rubles
              7. Ford Focus - Sold 67 cars (−142%), Price: from 27 rubles
              8. Lada Priora - Sold 67 687 cars (−54%), Price: 347 600 rubles
              9. Lada Largus - Sold 57 641 cars (+ 296%), Price: from 369 000 rubles
              10. Chevrolet Cruze, Sold 54 cars (−367%), Price: from 14 rubles


              Yes, affluent high-class luxury car lovers
              Merce, BMV, and Audi Bestsellers. Rovers, Lexus, and Infinity account for just 1% of all sales. So even in the auto industry, sanctions for most Russian citizens to the elephant are grains,
              1. Simple
                Simple 17 March 2014 22: 53
                0
                Stanislav, I simply stated.
                Will cost compromise solutions.
                And if it goes further, then they threaten in an adult way (how much patience is enough).
          2. ImPerts
            ImPerts 17 March 2014 21: 05
            0
            GDP is a strong thing, only with such GDP is China a powerful state holding eggs for it. It is for GDP, since such GDP requires making new debts. And as soon as the question arises of paying the bills, you will immediately have to either fight or cringe. That 1, that the 2 option for America is fraught, but the 1 option for the ruling elite is preferable, they have the ability to maintain the existing order.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 March 2014 09: 35
      +5
      Quote: Ascetic
      By a strange coincidence, US President Barack Obama began to turn gray rapidly during the tense situation in connection with the Ukrainian crisis.

      It's only flowers. Soon he will start to go bald. laughing
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 17 March 2014 13: 24
        +1
        Obama - bald, YATSYNYUK scalp itself peels off request
  • SSR
    SSR 17 March 2014 09: 00
    +8
    Then, relations between Russia and Ukraine will begin to rapidly “collapse”, perhaps the Russian-Ukrainian border will be completely closed, for everyone and everything, except for refugees. It is possible to stop gas supplies to Ukraine if the debt is not paid to Gazprom. By the way, the EU hastened to declare that Gazprom would be paid out of the tranches allocated to Ukraine. This is about 2 billion dollars! So much for the sanctions


    This is scary primarily for the EEC)))) and the Americans will act as usual. Throw their European partners))) and say - fuck EES!
    1. demon184
      demon184 17 March 2014 13: 28
      +2
      Americas fueling crises primarily to support the exchange rate. Capital flows in euros, it is necessary to stir up a crisis in Europe, it is not profitable to produce shale gas because of the low price, then there is a war in the Middle East, investments in the Russian economy have gone, keep a fascist junta in Ukraine. And all the capitals immediately run into a stable dollar and the United States
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  • Unknown
    Unknown 17 March 2014 09: 02
    +5
    Again damn hot in the world becomes! belay stop fool
    1. 120352
      120352 17 March 2014 10: 35
      +1
      Well, not so hot, but in February there were March temperatures. And today, when Russia, which has grown in size and population, is resting from the works of the righteous, it has become slightly colder. Minus 6. So after all, no one is sweating. Except for Obama and Kerry.
  • Dovmont
    Dovmont 17 March 2014 09: 04
    +52
    The envoy of the Russian Federation to the UN accompanied his actions with these words: Comrade Power, do not spit, please! Those present could not help laughing.
    1. Standard Oil
      Standard Oil 17 March 2014 09: 18
      +27
      Everything was like this:
    2. ZU-23
      ZU-23 17 March 2014 09: 19
      +19
      How dare the kurva approach such an intelligent person, the dog was unbridled.
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    4. twviewer
      twviewer 17 March 2014 14: 47
      +7
      "In particular, it sounded that Russia" has no right to forget that it is not a winner, but a vanquished "and" Moscow's behavior is outrageous, because Moscow, blackmailing the United States with nuclear weapons, humiliates America ", in response to which Vitaly Ivanovich, taking dangerously approaching lady by the elbow, delicately pushed her aside, asking "comrade not to spit."

      After that, the Permanent Representatives, who had come running to watch the scandal, laughed like horses, and Mrs. Power was dragged away by the referents, despite the fact that she actively resisted. "
      1. Alex Nick
        Alex Nick 17 March 2014 15: 43
        +4
        "she has no right to forget that she is not a winner, but a vanquished" ............ Old I have become. I don’t remember when and where?
        1. Filon
          Filon 18 March 2014 03: 35
          0
          This is it about the collapse of the USSR. Americans, both ordinary citizens and the "elite", sincerely and without concealment admit this as their victory.
  • Ilja 22
    Ilja 22 17 March 2014 09: 07
    +7
    Most analysts consider the cooling of relations between Russia and the West already inevitable, but to whom will it benefit more? A non-Western world will support Russia, India and China are already making this clear.

    Cooling will benefit Russia, together with China and India, it is almost half of the world's population and land, this is a huge force that the "democrats" will not dare to open a mouth with!
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 17 March 2014 09: 23
      +8
      Ilja 22 SU  Today, 09: 07 New

      Cooling will benefit Russia, together with China and India, this is almost half the world's population and land,

      just about, otherwise they "excluded" Russia from the G8, but Russia itself withdrew !! Let's make the Union of the troika Russia, China, India and the EU and the USA.
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 17 March 2014 09: 55
        +5
        Quote: bubalik
        just about, otherwise they "excluded" Russia from the G8, but Russia itself withdrew !! Let's make the Union of the troika Russia, China, India and the EU and the USA.

        So already there is one - BRICS. Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa.

        Brazil - rich in agricultural products;
        Russia is the world's largest exporter of mineral resources;
        India - cheap intellectual resources;
        China is the owner of cheap labor;
        Republic of South Africa - Natural Resources.
        1. Roman555
          Roman555 17 March 2014 12: 25
          +3
          Does India have a lot of intellectual resources? Did not know. And we mean only rich in mineral resources? It's a shame.
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    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 17 March 2014 15: 58
      +3
      Quote: Ilja 22
      A non-Western world will support Russia, India and China are already making this clear.

      The older generation, who studied the works of V.I. Lenin will probably recall his prophecy that the future of mankind depends on who India and China will follow. Old Europe is dying away in gameparades. The USA is spiritually barren. Only the peoples of the East remain creative. And Russia has a special, missionary role - to become the cradle of a new humanity.
    4. atalef
      atalef 17 March 2014 16: 41
      -2
      Quote: Ilja 22
      A non-Western world will support Russia, India and China are already making this clear.

      Who and where made this clear to you?
      Quote: Ilja 22
      , together with China and India, this is almost half the world's population and land

      Take it easy and don't fly in the clouds. Half the world under himself, crushing.
      China strongly opposed, as did India. by the way soon the General Assembly of the UN 9 is really no use to her) but by voting you will understand who is hu.
  • Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 17 March 2014 09: 08
    +11
    It is time for the world community to worry about the presence of nuclear weapons in such an inadequate country as America. Syria has destroyed stockpiles of chemical weapons, it is time for America to follow suit. Russia will be the guarantor that no one will attack America, neither Mexico nor Canada.
  • Siberian19
    Siberian19 17 March 2014 09: 08
    +13
    YOU UNDERSTAND, GEORGE, THAT UKRAINE IS NOT EVEN THE STATE! These words were said by Vladimir Putin to his friend D. Bush at the Russia-NATO meeting in Bucharest in April 2008. At that meeting, “acutely” discussed the issue of admission to NATO of new members, Georgia and Ukraine. The initiators of the “reception” were naturally the United States and some of its limiting NATO allies. There were also those who actively opposed this initiative, in particular the “old” Europeans, and Russia, in general, was categorically against admission to NATO, both Ukraine and Georgia. It was at the Russia-NATO summit, in Bucharest, that Putin was open text told Bush and all other NATO members, if Ukraine is thought to be admitted to NATO, then it will cease to exist. But then no one believed him, many Western leaders even furtively laughed at Putin, believing that he was crazy and raving. It was about the same as now, when Merkel shared her thoughts with Maksimka - after her telephone conversation with Putin: Barik, our mutual “friend” lost touch with reality! So then, in Bucharest, Bush also laughed at Putin, he even patted him on the shoulder indulgently, they say - frolic so far, sweetheart. Bush simply knew what international adventure would soon be soloing in South Ossetia, his errand bijou, Mishiko Saakashvili. “Surprise” in Yu.O. was personally prepared for Putin, but he still had to “eclipse” the Beijing Olympics and in passing spoil the souls of the Chinese. Big sport has long been big politics, gigantic money, international prestige and showing the economic power of the state. As a result, that adventure in South Ossetia ended for Bush to this day with a bleeding spiritual wound, a couple of father's hooks with bruises, and a lingering binge. Bush, who, like a big child, believed Condoleezza Rice that the Georgian army was armed with the penultimate word of military equipment and was trained in military affairs by the best instructors from the USA and Israel.
  • from punk
    from punk 17 March 2014 09: 09
    +2
    something he is very close to us this Caribbean crisis
  • Magyar
    Magyar 17 March 2014 09: 09
    +35
    Will the moderator do this? ...
    1. Samaritan
      Samaritan 17 March 2014 09: 53
      +5
      Usually such a movement is checked for the presence of a microphone ... Kerry is brewing, Obama is turning gray and only Putin congratulates the Olympians with a slight smile !!!
    2. Magyar
      Magyar 17 March 2014 11: 11
      +9
      Send Fiery Hello !!!
  • Siberian19
    Siberian19 17 March 2014 09: 11
    +18
    Some may ask a question: was it possible to do without the separation of the Crimea? No you can not. The fact is that Putin has long and successfully began to play according to the rules of the West and win against them, in their own field. It happened with multi-vector Ukraine. Putin with Russia and the Customs Union, proposed a minimum program, and a maximum program to attract Ukraine to the Customs Union. To resolve this issue, Russia allocated gigantic money and reduced gas prices for Ukraine, with an additional package of numerous business projects. It was a classic business operation, Russia actually bought a controlling stake in a burnt out company called Ukraine. But this is precisely what infuriated the EU and the USA, the way Putin spectacularly and simply clicked on their diarrhea, and did not allow Ukraine to swallow for free. For the EU and the USA, it was a shock that quickly turned into a real tantrum. Offended by Uncle Sam, with the support of the EU, they decided to replay the game, and without hesitation threw the pieces to the floor, organizing the old-new Maidown. In this losing situation in Ukraine for the United States, they began to rush, while making more and more fatal mistakes, and driving themselves into the next corner. Uncle Sam did not even disdain the organization of the real fascist putsch in Ukraine. The leadership of Russia was clear and understandable that the process of immersing Ukraine in the next ism went too far, and the performers of the coup acceleratedly drive Ukraine into the EU and NATO. As ordered to play such chess, when instead of fair play you try to pinch your ears, only a sharp blow under your breath will bring the giant of thought of American democracy to your senses. Which Putin demonstrated by playing on the legally accurate notes of his game. Russia does not recognize the new rulers of Ukraine, as they came to power as a result of a coup. And if the coup is called a revolution, then Russia may not even recognize the existence of a state like Ukraine. It seems that the West still has not understood, Putin does not throw his words to the wind, and his memory is excellent, and he will fulfill all his promises sooner or later. He spoke after all, he would lower him from the stairs, he said, let them not be offended!

    It is only the inhabitants of Ukraine who think that their Nenko is still alive and full of strength. In its former form, Ukraine actually no longer exists, yes, it is still running, but it is already .... .

    So whose Crimea?

    In an emergency, the winner is the one who is better prepared and responds faster - whoever got up earlier has that and (Crimea) slippers! Our slippers.
  • ImPerts
    ImPerts 17 March 2014 09: 11
    +18
    How everything spun! But how it started !!!
    And what a finale!
    1. Standard Oil
      Standard Oil 17 March 2014 09: 25
      +29
      Ukraine has already received the first tranche of American aid.
    2. w2000
      w2000 18 March 2014 01: 59
      +1
      Not enough for all the ties!
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 17 March 2014 09: 12
    +15
    Now the whole world is looking at Russia. And for many, she is seen as salvation. Salvation from lies and hypocrisy. For so much of this lie has become. Especially from the lips of the most democratic democracies. Ukraine is becoming the litmus test on the world stage that shows the real qualities of opponents in this battlefield, rather than veiled ones. Patience, Mr. ... Comrade Putin, patience. And much will fall into place. After all, throwing from corner to corner only leads to the aggravation of errors. It remains only at one fine moment to make the injection a real truth in front of everyone and liars will be defeated!
    And when the whole world (and not those who proclaim themselves the world community of Geipy ... pe and exceptional pe ... pe) poke a finger at them, they will understand that lying is not beautiful. And there they will fall apart ...
    Crimea is only the first swallow in the gathering of Russian. We are already loyal and loyal. Next in line is the South-East of Ukraine. Russians in Latvia moan under oppression. In California, it’s time to already show that you are Russian repeat ...
    1. 120352
      120352 17 March 2014 10: 54
      +8
      Rurikovich
      There are many Russians in America. Not to say that much, but a lot. You go to the supermarket - you will definitely hear Russian speech. Interestingly, I saw some kind of "Russians" of completely non-Slavic origin. They have forgotten their Azerbaijani, Georgian, Lithuanian, Armenian, Ukrainian, Uzbek and all consider themselves Russian and speak Russian. I am a sociable person (this is the job), I often come up and talk to them. They rejoice when they hear HIM. I will definitely find out who and where. The answer is: we are Russians. And no one will say: "I am Ukrainian" or "I am Tajik." So the identification is all right. Here, at a distance from Mother Russia, everyone immediately ruthes and becomes patriots of Russia, even having received American citizenship. This is not the fifth column, like Nemtsov or, alas, Makarevich. These are just Russians, who always behave in Russian and are ready to help their last.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 17 March 2014 09: 14
    +5
    Well, America is enough already to sink below the baseboard and threaten.
  • NOMADE
    NOMADE 17 March 2014 09: 14
    +10
    Indeed, we found an interesting century, the century of the resurrection of Russia!
    1. igordok
      igordok 17 March 2014 10: 32
      +4
      Quote: NOMADE
      Indeed, we found an interesting century, the century of the resurrection of Russia!

      Don't jinx it. This is just the beginning. The most difficult thing is ahead. But as they say "With the initiative !!!".
  • andrey682006
    andrey682006 17 March 2014 09: 15
    +7
    Quote: svp67
    America has spent and is being spent on the Ukrainian crisis so much that she just cannot admit defeat, she wants at least what to get ... But I think that she will get the first - so BIG PROBLEMS ...

    I agree, but I feel sorry for ordinary Ukrainians ...
    Although they themselves are to blame - it was necessary to think earlier and with the head, and not ....
    Supported Natsik - get and sign.
    They sat, waited, "my hut is on the edge, I don't know anything," they waited, they did not support - they decided everything for you, you are to blame.
    1. Native grandfather
      Native grandfather 17 March 2014 10: 13
      +2
      Quote: andrey682006
      I agree, but I feel sorry for ordinary Ukrainians ...

      Of course I'm sorry. But it is necessary to cool them from the cold soul of the crisis in order to knock out all anti Russian nonsense from their heads. They do not want Russia. Know the problems. They closed the borders, closed the valve. Let them try without Russia. Love is known in separation. Especially to the homeland. And as soon as it comes to them that it is not possible to pay euro-housing services with Europen (and there will be no other legal income in Ukraine), then love for the Slav brothers will immediately begin to wake up in them.
    2. demon184
      demon184 17 March 2014 13: 50
      +1
      and we where we were in '91, the same brains were then washed to us like the Ukrainians and the condom we had the same traitor and rag as theirs, but there was no strong fraternal people nearby who could help, as we are now in Ukraine.
  • Russian102RUS
    Russian102RUS 17 March 2014 09: 17
    +5
    Interestingly, when the United States and the West began the operation to break up Ukraine, did they really think that Russia would stand on the sidelines, according to the principle - "I'll hide my house"?
    By their methods of struggle for domination in the world, they only accelerated the awakening of Russia, China, India, and other countries that do not agree to live in a world where you are ruled because of a "puddle" (I liked this expression, our president).
    In addition, the whole world has once again become convinced that Western and American democracies are behind them, and what their true face is. am !
  • Gagarin
    Gagarin 17 March 2014 09: 19
    +11
    And friendly China still somehow did not strongly support Russia. Instead of "FOR", he tolerantly abstained, with such a friend you need to keep your ears open.
    1. La-5
      La-5 17 March 2014 09: 30
      +9
      This is a delicate matter, China may suddenly have its Crimea in Tibet.
    2. Ivan Russky
      Ivan Russky 17 March 2014 09: 54
      +3
      The Chinese are smart people. In this situation, they do not need to vote for or against. They will calmly sit, look and do hopefully the right choice.
      1. Alex Nick
        Alex Nick 17 March 2014 15: 45
        +1
        The Chinese have their own ass with Tibet. So they are silent.
  • PValery53
    PValery53 17 March 2014 09: 20
    +4
    The West will finally "swallow" the language of ultimatums. It is high time to respect other countries and peoples, and not stupidly dictate their will to them. This is completely "unprofitable", you can "get it" ...
  • Egoza
    Egoza 17 March 2014 09: 22
    +9
    The fact that Yakimenko came "not empty-handed" - and don't go to grandma! But what did he want? This is another fruit !!! Can't cope with their bandits themselves and want Russia to bring in its troops? Have you set up your guys? And gave a new reason for Europe and the United States to accuse her of all sins? I think that this trick of the "former head of the SBU" will not work!

    In general, looking at these "zealously fighting for Ukraine", I remember how my granddaughter said: "Nu-nu-nu (wagging a finger) All nu-nu-nu! Shoot!" And as you know, "the mouth of a baby speaks the truth!"
    1. aepocmam
      aepocmam 17 March 2014 10: 30
      +3
      Yanukovych also has a lot of "interesting" things to tell about the Americans. I think the time is not far away when this will happen ...
  • Cossacks
    Cossacks 17 March 2014 09: 25
    -3
    There is a clear tendency to wishful thinking. The path is not constructive. At 14 there was a surge of patriotism and ended in February 17.
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 17 March 2014 09: 35
      +3
      In 1941 - 1945 years. there was also a surge of patriotism. The bastards broke soldier
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    2. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 17 March 2014 12: 37
      +2
      Quote: Cossacks
      At 14 there was a surge of patriotism and ended in February 17.

      and what is the conclusion? surge of patriotism is dangerous for the state? or that a patriotic upsurge must be able to take advantage of the state’s benefits, and not sift it as Kolya II did
    3. Syrdon
      Syrdon 17 March 2014 13: 16
      +1
      and it was ruined by the liberals of that time, but in fact traitors, who now exist in a large number, even go to rallies "traitors' march".
  • La-5
    La-5 17 March 2014 09: 29
    +4
    This is to the point - "There is no place to retreat, Moscow is behind Ukraine!"
  • crasever
    crasever 17 March 2014 09: 30
    +4
    The arrogant Saxons over the past 20 years have completely forgotten about the remarkable human quality - Politeness, the existence of which they were now reminded by the residents of the Crimea and Sevastopol, politely deciding how to live on. Well, our extremely polite and correct permanent representative to the UN V. Churkin before the referendum explained everything very clearly about the rules of human behavior, but for those who don’t want to understand and perceive anything, we, and now also the Crimeans, Sevastopol residents, and God willing, in the eastern regions of Ukraine, there are Polite People !!!
  • Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 17 March 2014 09: 31
    +7
    Perhaps Lavrov very much asked Kerry to put pressure on his ambassador Payette in Kiev so that he would not even think of repeating it in Kharkov, and in general in the south-east of Ukraine, the Kiev Maidan. And, perhaps, he said that Moscow’s patience is running out, and she will tell the truth about who actually took power in Ukraine, and can provide documentary evidence. The former head of the Security Service of Ukraine Yakimenko arrived in Moscow not with empty hands ...

    Most likely, Lavrov has unkillable trump cards. And Mr. Kerry should not forget that Vladimir Vladimirovich worked in foreign intelligence. Glad and proud for our homeland that it has such leaders.
    1. aepocmam
      aepocmam 17 March 2014 10: 56
      0
      Kerry should also not forget that we have Yanukovych, who will also be able to tell a lot of things ...
  • morpogr
    morpogr 17 March 2014 09: 33
    +4
    Oh, it’s not in vain that Obama is Putin today, and Kerry Lavrov was called. Save our asses as in the case of Syria. Think of at least something and do not make our conversations and documents public, otherwise they will send us to guantanomo and there will be a maidan in Washington.
  • project sity
    project sity 17 March 2014 09: 36
    +2
    Kerry from the bad guy shook hands with Lavrov :) well, at least there wasn’t what they asked for!
    1. 120352
      120352 17 March 2014 11: 00
      +1
      And we do not ask. What we need, we take it ourselves!
  • Shaber
    Shaber 17 March 2014 09: 39
    +5
    For a long, long time Russia was waiting for normal diplomats. And I waited !!! Somehow, competently and slowly, they began to pull on cowards on the American head !!!! Keep it up!
  • Alexanderrr
    Alexanderrr 17 March 2014 09: 43
    +2
    Quote: ZU-23
    How dare the kurva approach such an intelligent person, the dog was unbridled.

    Because KURVA
  • uzer 13
    uzer 13 17 March 2014 09: 44
    +4
    There is no sense in these meetings. The dialogue between the deaf and dumb. Obama will support the Kiev puppets to the end.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 17 March 2014 16: 42
      +2
      Quote: uzer 13
      There is no sense in these meetings. The dialogue between the deaf and dumb. Obama will support the Kiev puppets to the end.

      There is a sense and it is huge! By intonation, by behavior, by the sequence of questions posed by PROFIs from diplomacy, they can determine the mood and degree of resolve of the opponent. This is not even higher mathematics - it is SOMPROMAT!
      Therefore, it is impossible to approach the situation so superficially in the higher spheres of relations.
      Yes, Barack will probably support his fosterlings, but the extent and direction of such support largely depends on Russia's position. Her determination and confidence in the correctness and strength of her position. Obama lost on the legal field, and therefore he has nothing to appeal to his allies with. He is not right! And everyone knows this, but because of Western solidarity, they pretend to be sympathetic to the states.
  • Siberian19
    Siberian19 17 March 2014 09: 50
    +12
    Will Putin help Obama a second time?
    Not so long ago, the entire world press was full of notes about how Putin helped Obama save face in the Syrian crisis. The story really turned out to be almost detective, especially considering what and how much Obama and his large team spoke live. It seems that the world did not yet know such a number of threats and accordingly, with a shudder, was waiting for a denouement. The denouement was not long in coming, and when Kerry talked about the Syrian chemical weapons, Lavrov was right there. Needless to say, what a sigh of relief turned out to be, it was heard even across the ocean. In other words, the Americans may soon begin another hysteria, when the issued “promises” either need to be fulfilled, or simply be impudent to public opinion and start saying the exact opposite - saying in our "turn on the fool." Americans do not really like to fulfill the promised threats, as well as promises. This cannot be taken away from them. Especially when it comes to threats from which they themselves can get through the wort. With promises, things are much simpler, they will throw Yatsenyuk, along the way, inventing a hundred reasons why Yatsenyuk was not worthy of this money. Moreover, to tell the truth, he really is not worthy of them. Why will they throw Yatsenyuk? Because the game in Ukraine did not go according to the scenario. In such situations, risks are assessed both from the continuation of the game, but with an order of magnitude greater uncertainty, and the risks of losses if a decision is made to exit the game. If we talk about the risks associated with the continuation of the game, the United States is now frantically looking for partners who could share these risks with them and if they do not find them, then it’s absolutely certain that they will leave the game. From the side of America far from amateurs play, they are rational enough to see the whole alignment and see its prospects. As recent events show, there are not so many people who want to share these risks with the United States (that is, impose sanctions against Russia and suffer return losses from them). By the way, America’s most faithful friend, Lithuania, has already really felt what sanctions are. Without waiting for the Europeans to introduce them, Russia almost blocked the operation of the Klaipeda seaport, completely stopping the transshipment of goods to Russia through it, and losses from just this one step are already called critical in Lithuania. The next in turn are Latvia, Estonia, Poland, etc. talkers from whom you cannot hear good words about Russia. Germany will certainly not support the sanctions. France runs the risk of being without a profitable order of 2 billion euros for the Mistrals, so she thinks very hard about it. The Netherlands, being the main supplier of flowers and other agricultural products to Russia, also thinks about how its balance will be affected by the fact that Onishchenko’s successor finds that they have some kind of “stick” because of which all manufactured products will have to be fertilized . With a 90% probability, the sanctions will be political in nature and they will not have any tangible impact on the business. This means that the United States will not find partners willing to incur real losses for US foreign policy miscalculations. In other words, America will soon have to turn back.
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    2. bubalik
      bubalik 17 March 2014 10: 33
      +12

      Siberian19 (1) RU  Today, 09: 50


      Will Putin help Obama a second time?

      sure to help ,,,,, repeat
  • general.bnw
    general.bnw 17 March 2014 09: 51
    +10
    Lord! Apparently, the Americans from the USA * forgot * that in 1783, after eight years of bloody battles, they left the British rule without any * popular referendums * and even without any desire * of the whole British people * and their monarch !? ! And after all, the same British were forced to agree with the situation and even gave independence to the USA, in spite of such unpleasant and obviously * illegitimate * circumstances! Again - * double standards *!?!
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 17 March 2014 10: 31
      +8
      general.bnw RU  Today, 09: 51

      at that pace in the light of recent events in the world and there a referendum will be held soon ,,,
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  • ed65b
    ed65b 17 March 2014 10: 01
    +11
    Yesterday, he laughed to tears when Miller said with a menacing look that Gazprom was waiting for money from the West to pay off Ukraine’s debt for gas. Here the turnip was combed by the EU and the USA would give money to Dill, and Russia would receive it.
  • mamont5
    mamont5 17 March 2014 10: 01
    +3
    "There was no invasion in Crimea! In the southeast of Ukraine, if it starts there, Russia will most likely provide assistance to the local Self-Defense Forces, according to the Crimean scenario."
    And on the streets of Ukraine there will be polite people with whom kids and girls will take photos for memory.
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 17 March 2014 12: 51
      +2
      Quote: mamont5
      And on the streets of Ukraine there will be polite people with whom kids and girls will take photos for memory.

      they will hardly take pictures, they saw on YouTube "a ruler in a Kiev school", as there youngsters jump up to the cry "yaku no gilyak" Rather, they will throw heavy objects and scrape. and then shout that the Russians are to blame. Already there it is necessary to treat the "Banderlog fever".
  • Ulairy
    Ulairy 17 March 2014 10: 08
    +5
    Quote: MIKHAN
    In general, our upper class diplomats showed ..! Competently clearly adequately responded to all attacks in the direction of Russia!

    Lavrov is great. A man of the old school, without the illusion of "freedom, democracy for nothing and let no one leave offended." In my opinion, he perceives attacks towards Russia as a personal insult. Once they showed on TV how he used a verb to burn Americans and others like them for South Ossetia, recalling to them both the "search for bin Laden" and the proliferation of poppy fields in Afghanistan and Poland with missile defense ... Diplomats then also looked "somewhere to the side "and did not mumble. Now, it is not clear what they talked about for 4 hours - some speculation, but I have no doubt that Lavrov Kerry simply "whipped and dried".
    (since then the American boy always looked away and smiled ... boo-ha-ha)!
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 17 March 2014 12: 20
      +3
      Quote: Ulairy
      ever since an american boy

      Since then, the American boy was no longer a boy. wink
  • parusnik
    parusnik 17 March 2014 10: 23
    +5
    Well, that son, helped you, your Poles?
    I gave birth to you, I will kill you ...
    N.V. Gogol "Taras Bulba"
  • Isum
    Isum 17 March 2014 10: 36
    +4
    It is worth a look !!!!!! the conflict of the Ukrainian military and the inhabitants of Donbass! This is not polite people to you .....
    1. Vadim12
      Vadim12 17 March 2014 11: 18
      +2
      And after all in the purest Russian language everyone speaks. How is Kiev going to ban it?
    2. Rattenfanger
      Rattenfanger 17 March 2014 13: 51
      +1
      It's only the beginning. If we do not stop them, we will see the burned villages, and "milk-eggs".
      ZY The Bams and "Nonki" in the video simply take off their shoes with a crowbar.) Sorry for the former mechanic among civilians.)
  • sky17176
    sky17176 17 March 2014 10: 40
    +1
    We have a real chance to show the true face of the United States. If we do not use it, then there will be no other chance.
  • vasyliy1
    vasyliy1 17 March 2014 10: 40
    +2
    RUSSIA needs to turn away from the dollar and transfer oil and gas trade to euros, yuan and rubles. Soon the states of the Middle and Far East will follow us, then the dollar and the fascist state of the USA will come to kirdyk!
  • Rustem88m
    Rustem88m 17 March 2014 10: 47
    +5
    Lavrov deserves respect for his work. Putin is generally Russia's first NATIONAL leader.
  • Good_Taxist
    Good_Taxist 17 March 2014 11: 09
    +1
    Quote: Igor39
    Putin beat the CIA and their European branch

    It is very IMPORTANT that HE (Putin) beat (to put it mildly) zatsev by the names of relatives and rockefellers (deliberate mistakes). Information about this yesterday in the Vremya program with E. Zeynalova. THIS IS M A S T E R S T V O !!! We are waiting for more "beautiful" News!
  • Cristall
    Cristall 17 March 2014 11: 11
    0
    Then the missiles were in Turkey - it was already fatal. By playing the Cuban card, the USSR achieved a lot. Although the world was hanging by a thread. Khrushchev who is "loved" here on the forum - in general, with direct text and action, showed that the USSR was not joking. Kennedy wasn't joking either. He is a politician more serious than Obama.
    Then the world really hung in the balance. Not now. Now it’s bargaining, business.
    The borders are not closed yet. Yesterday I was in Bryansk. Tudy and syudy (Odessa-Moscow train) half of the train are Russians and half are Ukrainians. The usual picture. Well, except that the harsh Ukrainian customs officers took the unfortunate Moldovan woman with them. The girl said that she was traveling in transit, and she went out to Konotop .. Not to Odessa, but there by bus to their Moldovan penates. By the way, the customs officer said interestingly - "This is still the Ukrainian customs service."
    What am I doing - the exchange between countries did not stop. In any sanctions of the Russian Federation, SE will always suffer. The memory device didn’t start either gas or goods of the Russian Federation — they don’t need any nichert campaign at all, just to be spoiled, but to pay attention. In cases of deterioration of the SE, it will be thought that the Russian Federation is to blame. I remember after the first and the price of 540 dollars - something has changed? A sharp decline in the economy and a difficult time - did this affect the more loyal attitude of SE * to the Russian Federation? On the contrary. I do not think that sanctions, prices, Onischenki is the right game. I think that the opposite is the wrong game and even a game for the opponent. They will make SE as a memory in the mood and that’s all - the two halves are hungry evil and everywhere there will definitely be unity in the person of the hero of the occasion.
    And Kiev will be a joy, they will not die, but they will fulfill their mission
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  • Jedi
    Jedi 17 March 2014 11: 52
    0
    And the Airborne Forces and not only continue the exercises. At least in our Ivanovo region.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 March 2014 11: 59
      0
      Quote: Jedi

      And the Airborne Forces and not only continue the exercises. At least in our Ivanovo region.

      Tula Airborne Hiking gathered winked
      1. Rattenfanger
        Rattenfanger 17 March 2014 12: 16
        +2
        What are the tanks for Benin's mom? Tse bams two.
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 17 March 2014 12: 23
        +4
        This is not the first time I see signatures like, "tanks there, tanks here ...", the girls are signing the videos, on the video there are armored personnel carriers, then BMPs, then BMDs.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 17 March 2014 17: 02
      +3
      Quote: Jedi
      And the Airborne Forces and not only continue the exercises.

      Exercises with night combat firing ... are more like combat coordination. And this indicates the determination of the party conducting the exercises. The language is not even diplomatic, but generally accessible, philistine.
  • Eugene
    Eugene 17 March 2014 12: 10
    +4
    How relevant these days)

    "The concept of goodness - to live according to conscience - this is the Russian way" - Winston Churchill

    "Russian people never live according to the principle" my house is on the edge, I don't know anything ", - Thomas Jefferson

    "Do not hope that once you take advantage of Russia's weakness, you will get out to receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come, do not rely on the Jesuit agreements you signed, supposedly justifying you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, with Russians should either play fair or not play at all. " Otto von Bismarck.