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Ukraine. Systematic error of most analysts

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Ukraine. Systematic error of most analysts



There is such a thing as a coordinate system and such concepts as a trend and the logic of a situation. And we must clearly understand that there is no point in analyzing the second without the first. Under the coordinate system should be understood moral and ethical basis. What is good, what is bad. What is allowed, and what punishment will follow. Who is ours and who is a stranger. Those. what sets both the ordinary person and society landmarks - system of identification of own-alien and fan of possible reactions. Usually, people do not think about it, taking it for granted, but now it is the reformatting of the basis that is being demonstrated in Ukraine. It is necessary to understand that in the process of this "reformatting" it is not the papers signed by the dummies in Kiev or the picture on TV that are important, but real steps showing strength. And as long as this process is not over, anarchy, banditry and mess will grow.

So, about the basis for analysis - the problem of most analysts who are trying to analyze what is happening in Ukraine is that they do not understand the main thing - an agreement who paid to whom, whose agent is in fact rippling on the water. In Ukraine, the basis has floated - there is no usual coordinate system. Most analysts are pure logic, and it is easier to deal with numbers than to realize the importance of the Idea and Morality. And so they are still discussing how Yanukovych behaved “ingeniously” during the confrontation with the Maidan. And in fact, all his political maneuvers mean nothing, since so far the VFYA conducted negotiations in the usual system of coordinates, the enemy destroyed the basis for the existence of such a state as Ukraine.

In principle, VFYa spoke about the main thing, when back in Kiev I asked everyone to think about the unity of the country. He did not understand only the most important thing: that the methods of working with the "basis" can only be power. And the destruction of the usual grid of coordinates requires the demonstration and use of force, and the task of preserving it requires the authorities to use a repressive apparatus. That is why no state that is going to live peacefully and develop further, will not allow such "standing on the Maidan" outright militants. Because such standing of unarmed Golden Eagles under Molotov cocktails is a demonstration of the weakness of the forces supporting the old system of coordinates. Signal of disease and weakness of the country's immune system.

For militants, the Maidan gave a feeling of its own strength and permissiveness. Now they are power. Now hundreds of Maidan new owners of the state of Ukraine. They will form a new coordinate system. What happens in the form of forming a government on the Maidan, managing the voting in the Rada by abducting children of deputies and fighting characters. The only question that is now on the agenda is the question of where the border of this base will pass - all of Ukraine will live in a new way or only Western.

Again, precisely because it is breaking down the old and forming a new basis, the Russian Federation declared that it would support the Russians only if they themselves demonstrate the will to win. Because to support carriers of an alien and hostile ideology (and tacit agreement is precisely CONSENT) would be just silly.

Returning to the analyst - the statements of the smoked junta, deputies or local governors are not as important as news:
"" The warriors of Narnia, "who seized the bank in Kiev, were released" (source). You understood that armed bandits began to rob a bank, the police arrived and after some negotiations released the bandits "for services to Maidan."

In Kharkov, during a rally against the smoked junta, several unarmed participants were killed. The captured killers were released.

Near Kiev, DPS are shot, and the perpetrators of this crime set free, as they are members of euromaidan.

This is not an exhaustive list of similar crimes and “release to freedom for merit before euromaidan.” There are much more cases like this - there are kidnappings with ransom for the “revolution case”, and robbery of enterprises and forced salary deductions for the “restoration of Kiev”, and the seizure of apartments and bases of the security forces. And it is precisely such news that is now important for an understanding of the situation in Ukraine, and not statements by Western politicians or a scribbled junta. I repeat: "These are not horror stories - hundreds of Maidan militants felt their strength, got experience and weaponThey have a clear ideology that does not imply work in factories or in the field. And they will not go anywhere. "The rest of the population of the territory will either agree to live with such an ideology, or not.

So the main course of events in Ukraine will look like this:

Preparation for the potential section - while there is confusion and vacillation in the form of meetings, statements and other elections of the people's governors in the country will increase mess, banditry and crime. You can forget about law enforcement agencies - they are waiting for a collapse, as they are the rudiments of the country's destroyed base. Galician fascists will try to forcefully bend under them a maximum of areas. And, frankly, watching the eastern regions blow off steam at the rallies, I think Euromaidanists will have a lot to do.

Bringing order - will begin only after the establishment of the basis. Those. after the dividing line between the "European vector with a fascist flavor" (those areas that accept this idea / power, should carefully look at the experience of the Rivne and Kiev regions) and "Russians and Little Russians" will be determined.

Judging by the fact that the eastern regions are being hampered for several months, it is possible that the division between these bases will be along Perekop. Because the Galician fascism no longer only has an Idea (albeit an ugly one), but also power structures ready to defend this idea. And now he is engaged in the expansion of food supply and building up forces. While the East can not even formulate its idea. The only hope is for numerical superiority and a huge shadow of a bear looming behind its back, frightening fascinating fascists too fast. But it’s impossible to hide behind the shadows for a long time ...

P.S. But let's not forget that, against the background of a certain tactical retreat in the Ukraine, the strategic victory of Russia becomes apparent - perhaps Western Ukraine has also shown its passion, but against this background Western countries have demonstrated their impotence in confrontation with Russia. By the way, not for the first time in a couple of years, the West demonstrates the weakness of its Idea. And Russia has its strength. That once again confirms the loyalty of the strategic conclusion about sunset west in general and USA in particular.
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  1. bubalik
    bubalik 17 March 2014 14: 11
    +101
    hundreds of Maidan militants felt their strength, gained experience and weapons, and have a clear ideology that does not imply work in factories or in the field. "

    ,,, just there will be no peace for them anywhere !!!!
    1. Tumbleweed
      Tumbleweed 17 March 2014 14: 14
      +59
      Anyone who succumbs now will lose hi I’m not a big geopolitician, but I’m scolding that soon Ukraine will not have access to the seas winked
      1. Normal
        Normal 17 March 2014 14: 29
        +34
        Quote: tumbleweed
        wang that soon Ukraine will not have access to the seas


        In childhood we had such a joke; "submarine in the steppes of Ukraine".
        As the saying goes, through the mouth of a baby ...
        1. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 17 March 2014 20: 02
          +5
          Got a picture on the Internet (clickable).
          They say the poster is pasted in the Moscow metro.
          It has little to do with the topic of the article, but could not help sharing
        2. Bi_Murza
          Bi_Murza 18 March 2014 12: 56
          +1
          With Victory RUSSIA We are in the spirit of swami successes to you and new victories in geopolitics!
        3. Bi_Murza
          Bi_Murza 18 March 2014 12: 56
          +1
          With Victory RUSSIA We are in the spirit of swami successes to you and new victories in geopolitics!
      2. GDP
        GDP 17 March 2014 15: 06
        +29
        People! Another vote for a referendum in the South-East of Ukraine. Support!
        https://secure.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Prezidentu_Rossiyskoy_Federacii_VVPutinu_My
        _trebuem_provesti_referendum_po_vsemu_YugoVostoku_Ukrainy /? aSbhZgb
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        2. hawkeye
          hawkeye 17 March 2014 23: 07
          +4
          Supported with great pleasure!
        3. _Forgiven_
          _Forgiven_ 27 March 2014 18: 02
          +1
          Subscribed without a twinge of conscience. Let the forest go fucking. Bandera
      3. SibRUS
        SibRUS 17 March 2014 17: 09
        +17
        Quote: tumbleweed
        The one who will succumb now will lose. I’m not a big geopolitician, but I’m wanging that Ukraine will soon have no access to the seas

        You think correctly! smile
        Crimea is ready to defend neighboring Russian-speaking regions from threats, Deputy Prime Minister of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea Rustam Temirgaliyev said on Monday.
        According to him, the Crimean self-defense units have weapons and armored vehicles left over from the disbanded Ukrainian military units.
        “Regarding the invasion from the territory of Ukraine to the territory of Crimea, we have a very convenient location, only one thin isthmus that separates us from mainland Ukraine. Significant self-defense forces are concentrated there, which are well-armed and equipped. We have heavy armored vehicles, which we inherited from the Ukrainian military units that were disbanded. We can not only defend ourselves, but also liberate the Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa regions from illegal authorities, ”he said.
        Link: http: //www.vz.ru/news/2014/3/17/677496.html
        1. officer29
          officer29 17 March 2014 21: 45
          +7
          Oh, dear!, Not everything is so simple in the steppes of Ukraine! .. Military units and units in the Crimea are not disbanded, some are demoralized, and some are still CSO-GO! And this is not PONTS! belay Ukrainska Vlada left them to their own devices, does not pay salaries, does not provide food, but their SPIRIT is very high! Not for Vlad, but for his HONOR! They are simply thrown ... request And you need to work with these GUYS! Not to threaten them, not to promise them unrealizable benefits, but only to convince them of the rightness to put Russia at the service! good And then they will serve with all their devotion to the Russian State! In the Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa regions, the political situation is very difficult ... If Russia trample in taunts in Tavria, then expect a big TROUBLE! You can get such a resistance that Chechnya will seem like a paradise. In Tavria, Russia is not considered an enemy, BUTif they want unification, then on certain conditions!
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 17 March 2014 22: 29
            +6
            Quote: officer29
            Military units and units in the Crimea are not disbanded, some are demoralized, and some are still CSO-GO! And this is not PONTS! Ukrainska Vlada left them to their own devices, does not pay salaries, does not provide food, but their SPIRIT is very high! Not for Vlad, but for his HONOR!

            I'm afraid that the matter is somewhat different.
            There will be no officer thrown to his country by arbitrariness, it is so simple to pretend to be a patriot. Anger at the authorities, confusion about what is happening around, the complete absence of any vision of a normal future are raging in the soul. And this at the sight may not be an idyllic, but peaceful picture behind a part’s fence. I recall the same notorious Japanese who fought in the jungle for a non-existent Japanese empire ...
            Quote: officer29
            And you need to work with these GUYS! Not to threaten them, not to promise them unrealizable benefits, but only to convince them of the rightness to put Russia at the service!

            And only so!
            Quote: officer29
            If Russia trample unceremoniously into Tavria, then wait for the big TROUBLE!

            Quote: officer29
            In Tavria, Russia is not considered an enemy, BUT, if they want unification, then on certain conditions!

            Talk about the conditions can go only in the case of political freedom of Tavria.
            Today, the Russian leadership does not and will not make any direct contacts with Kiev, which the EU and the USA insist on, which will automatically lead to Russia's recognition of the power of banderlogs in Ukraine.
          2. yur
            yur 17 March 2014 22: 47
            +12
            Quote: officer29
            Ukraine! .. Military units and units in the Crimea are not disbanded, some are demoralized, and some are still CSO-GO! And this
            There is very little left. Tomorrow at 15 o’clock at a joint meeting of the State Duma, the Federation Council and the heads of regions, President Putin will tell where those who are CSO-GO will have to hand over weapons. And also, where those who beat up the blood of honest Ukrainian soldiers will have to go. At the same time, the direction of movement of their overseas owners will be determined. I think so.
          3. aleks 62
            aleks 62 18 March 2014 12: 48
            +1
            I testify .... Morale is below the plinth .... Everything is in deep thought .... Considering that the new Vlad cut security forces' money allowance, they are ready to run headlong to where the chocolate is !!!!
          4. cdrt
            cdrt 18 March 2014 15: 30
            0
            Quote: officer29
            Oh, dear!, Not everything is so simple in the steppes of Ukraine! .. Military units and units in the Crimea are not disbanded, some are demoralized, and some are still CSO-GO! And this is not PONTS! belay Ukrainska Vlada left them to their own devices, does not pay salaries, does not provide food, but their SPIRIT is very high! Not for Vlad, but for his HONOR! They are simply thrown ... request And you need to work with these GUYS! Not to threaten them, not to promise them unrealizable benefits, but only to convince them of the rightness to put Russia at the service! good And then they will serve with all their devotion to the Russian State! In the Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa regions, the political situation is very difficult ... If Russia trample in taunts in Tavria, then expect a big TROUBLE! You can get such a resistance that Chechnya will seem like a paradise. In Tavria, Russia is not considered an enemy, BUTif they want unification, then on certain conditions!


            Judging by the commercials, they don’t know what to put pressure on them to give up.
            They installed guard felts, roofing felts of watchmen at the homes of their families.
            Those who speak threaten families, and those who protect families.
            Actually, God knows how it really is.
            Considering the past of S. Aksenov (and this is one of the "reputable businessmen"), we are talking more about threats.
            In general, it’s hard there for them.
            On one side is honor and oath, on the other - people (and some are from the Crimea) and strength.
            No luck for the peasants.
        2. hawkeye
          hawkeye 17 March 2014 23: 08
          +4
          His words to God’s ears!
        3. rolik
          rolik 17 March 2014 23: 13
          +6
          Quote: SibRUS
          Crimea is ready to defend neighboring Russian-speaking regions from threats, Deputy Prime Minister of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea Rustam Temirgaliyev said on Monday.

          Here)))) They just formed, and they already showed their teeth)))) Well, this is for everyone, the world, so to speak, the public))))) We then know who rises behind the Crimea))))
          Two interesting moves have been made: The first point is a return to the agreements of February 21, recognition of the Russian language as the second state language. Naturally, the banderlogs will not accept him, whoever would get lost)))) And here, logically, point two comes into play, where Crimea shows its teeth and speaks about the protection of the Russians. And in all seriousness. Little dear to you, gentlemen, the new Ukrainian rulers)))))))
      4. Ross
        Ross 17 March 2014 17: 36
        +9
        Crimea has already hinted that it can not only defend itself, but also if it liberates Odessa, Nikolaev and Kherson regions from Bandera!
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 17 March 2014 23: 25
          +5
          Quote: Ross
          Crimea has already hinted that it can not only defend itself, but also if it liberates Odessa, Nikolaev and Kherson regions from Bandera!

          ABOUT! But on TV they showed how the Crimean authorities ordered the families of the Ukrainian military to be evicted from the community, even with children! Straight to the street! From departmental housing, even though the apartments are privatized! (I don’t quite understand - it’s so departmental or privatized, but it doesn’t matter to our media)! The main thing is what the Russian Crimea does with Ukrainians !!!! am
          1. philip
            philip 18 March 2014 06: 38
            +2
            Outrageously, it is difficult to imagine more stupidity and harm to RUSSIA. I THINKED the authorities of the Kyrgyz Republic the opposite. TO FEED THEM WILL be. Which gate.
          2. aleks 62
            aleks 62 18 March 2014 12: 52
            +1
            Hi Egoza !!! Nobody will evict anyone ... They themselves are ready (for the most part) under white-blue-red banners) .... Really realizing that there will be more chocolate !!!!
    2. jjj
      jjj 17 March 2014 14: 15
      +40
      The saddest thing is that for a systemic and complete defense of the east, it is necessary that the west shed a large amount of blood in the east
      1. a52333
        a52333 17 March 2014 14: 41
        +19
        There is a less painful option for the military to switch to the side of the people in the east, a referendum.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 17 March 2014 15: 08
          +15
          Quote: a52333
          There is a less painful option for the military to switch to the side of the people in the east, a referendum.

          I agree! But for this there must be worthy Leaders of the movement.
          But with these, then the problem, the maiduns manage to reset them on time ...
        2. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac 17 March 2014 16: 34
          +8
          Quote: a52333
          There is a less painful option for the military to switch to the side of the people in the east, a referendum.

          the only trouble is that the Ukrainian military does not want to go over to the side of the people of South-Eastern Ukraine. the army declares its readiness "to defend the territorial integrity of Ukraine against all its enemies." if there are no leaders who will abruptly break off relations between YUVU and Kiev, as Crimea did, then YUVU will squeeze out and it will take over the power of Kiev.
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 17 March 2014 15: 10
        +7
        Quote: jjj
        The saddest thing is that for a systemic and complete defense of the east, it is necessary that the west shed a large amount of blood in the east

        while everything is moving along this plane inclined:
        - the mobilization was announced, the next step is the announcement of a "special situation"
        1. infinite silence ...
          infinite silence ... 17 March 2014 15: 32
          +16


          Apparently, the plane is becoming more inclined ...
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 17 March 2014 16: 58
            +15
            I watched the video. Loners against caterpillar armored vehicles covered by corrupt Bandera cops.
            Residents of Donbass and the South-East of Ukraine need to create their own alternative authorities as opposed to the pro-Kiev pro-Bandera authorities and the police.
            To create their own self-defense bodies from Nazi Bandera armed groups, both army and purely criminal.
            To carry out the propaganda of the personnel of military units through activists who are able to explain the current political situation of the seizure of power in Kiev by the anti-people Nazi Bandera junta.
            We must recall the lessons of 1917. The time has come. Otherwise, the Russian population of the South-East of Ukraine will be kirdyk.
            1. SibRUS
              SibRUS 17 March 2014 17: 54
              +9
              Kharkov residents have all the trump cards in their hands - they have a tank factory and repair shops, without them the tanks will not go.
            2. rolik
              rolik 17 March 2014 23: 17
              0
              Quote: vladimirZ
              Residents of Donbass and Southeast of Ukraine need to create their own alternative authorities

              Moreover, an example of how to behave in such a situation, before your eyes. Let them watch how they did in the Crimea and repeat simple movements.
            3. ant1958
              ant1958 17 March 2014 23: 43
              +1
              There is a more effective method - a general strike. If the banderlogs cut off funding, then I think that they hold out for at least a week. Only a general strike of the Southeast and South can force banderlogs to be considered with Russian-speaking regions.
            4. cdrt
              cdrt 18 March 2014 15: 48
              0
              Quote: vladimirZ
              To create their own self-defense bodies from Nazi Bandera armed groups, both army and purely criminal.


              That's not sure. If only very secret.
              Power resistance will begin - this is the rationale for the whole world to suppress the rebellion.

              Quote: vladimirZ
              Advocate military personnel through activists


              That is right. And, as Chechens in the PFV - to meet soldiers peacefully - these are ordinary boys who are not ready to shoot women.

              Well ... targeted stocks against PS and especially violent.
              Probably the only way.
            5. infinite silence ...
              infinite silence ... 18 March 2014 17: 13
              0
              They called now from Gorlovka, at the entrance to Nikitovka (city district) - a picket of defenders, with Russian flags, tires on the road, there are tents ... They won’t pass there.
      3. infinite silence ...
        infinite silence ... 17 March 2014 15: 30
        +13
        ... regrettably. But I can not agree.
    3. avg
      avg 17 March 2014 14: 34
      +22
      Quote: bubalik
      , just there will be no peace for them anywhere !!!!

      That there is a heavenly hundred. Thousands of hamsters all over Ukraine think that war is about throwing bottles into the hobbled golden eagle. And they don’t know that Uncle Sam already paid Yaytsenek and K for their skins, and only fear of Russia does not allow the latter to send them for slaughter.
    4. polite people 2
      polite people 2 17 March 2014 14: 39
      +31
      And what about other cities of Ukraine. are there really cowards everywhere, so do they not all know that they will transmit all one by one. After all, the army has clearly recognized that it is not able to restore order in the country. Now the red-brown fascist fellows rule everything. Eprst people and what are you doing? After all, there is help near you. Look for leaders, turn to Russia for help, because in fact, the account of the LOST for 2014 in Ukraine exceeded 1100 people. This is just the beginning. Orthodox churches have already been closed in Chernihiv, priests have been kicked out, 43 Kamazs that have already been sold to Kazakhstan are not allowed on the border, your new National Guard at gunpoint will drive you to the presidential elections in a month ... ... a. Sectarians and Baptists are in power. You are completely blind. 1000 people is only the beginning and what is already known. What's next ?
      1. Goodmen
        Goodmen 17 March 2014 15: 00
        +10
        Quote: polite person 2
        Look for leaders


        ek you have enough ...))) ... while you find, you will evaporate ...

        In such cases, leaders first appear and unite the masses!

        But the essence of the call is correct ... But the task of "unofficial Moscow" is to help the Ukrainians with their leaders ... quietly, unobtrusively ...
        And then, God forbid, indeed the president will be elected at gunpoint ...
        1. zzz
          zzz 17 March 2014 16: 53
          +8
          Quote: Goodmen
          In such cases, leaders first appear and unite the masses!


          Any leader, at least every day choose a new one, on the second day they will be raided in Kiev and sent to prison, like Gubareva. Here the leader should be 7 spans in the forehead! So that he could speak openly at rallies, and so that he had absolute like-minded people, a clear plan to have, and not weak protection to have several safe houses, a network of informants, and a bunch of cars for mobile moving, and various means of communication. Crimea in this regard was easier. The isthmus was closed, and that’s it. And here is the leader, except that he lives on the border itself, if anything is possible across the border into a hut like Lenin. In the east of the steppe, you won’t even go to the partisans .... and there are no weapons either .....
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 17 March 2014 17: 07
            +6
            Any leader, at least every day choose a new one, on the second day they will be raided in Kiev and sent to prison, like Gubareva. Here the leader should be 7 spans in the forehead! So that he could openly speak at rallies, and ...


            It is necessary to choose not a leader, but the Council of People's Deputies, which can not only organize resistance by the Nazi Bandera junta, but also protect its leaders. To develop a system to counter the illegitimate Kiev authorities.
            Let them learn the history of 1917. Everything is there. How to take power, and how to organize resistance. Literate people, unlike the peasants of 1917.
            1. matross
              matross 17 March 2014 17: 45
              +7
              Quote: vladimirZ
              It is necessary to choose not a leader, but the Council of People's Deputies, which can not only organize resistance by the Nazi Bandera junta, but also protect its leaders. To develop a system to counter the illegitimate Kiev authorities.

              It’s too late to choose and develop systems. To think that a peaceful man will stand against the armed Nazis not burdened with morality and laws is an illusion. The bill goes on days, the maximum is weeks. An extreme possibility is that when blood flows into the South-East Military District, Yaneku will turn to Russia for military assistance. About Yanek early forgot, although six, but trump.
          2. I read the news
            I read the news 17 March 2014 23: 12
            0
            Transcarpathia can be disconnected, there are 3 passes in total.
        2. rider49
          rider49 17 March 2014 17: 13
          +8
          ... Polite People ... should prepare in advance ... So did the Ukrainian aligarchs ... Each has its own compact army .. but THEY are on the other side of the trenches ... for now.
      2. Tersky
        17 March 2014 15: 04
        +10
        Quote: polite person 2
        after all, in fact, the account of those who died during the 2014 year in Ukraine exceeded 1100 people. This is just the beginning. Orthodox churches have already been closed in Chernihiv, priests have been expelled, 43 Kamazs, which have already been sold to Kazakhstan, are not allowed on the border, your new National Guard at gunpoint will drive you to the presidential election in a month

        Ukrainian Nazism - Banderaism - is just a "superstructure", an ideological wrapper, without which, in a degrading, atomized society, it is difficult to turn part of the population into stormtroopers. "Basis" is an oligarchy, which at the end of 2013 openly took a course towards a Nazi-oligarchic dictatorship, to which the pathetic government, represented by the servants of the same oligarchs, could not oppose anything. The current regime of Ukraine rests on three pillars: oligarchic money, Nazi arrows and local fools ...

        1. Grenader
          Grenader 17 March 2014 17: 10
          +9
          Ukrainians were brainwashed well. So much time to fight against the power of the oligarchs, to bring other oligarchs to power, you must be absolutely idiots. The classic conflict between classes has been translated into a permanent change of power. People supporting Maidan absolutely do not understand what they want. It is naive to believe that under the new government manna from heaven will be showered on them. Joining the European Union guarantees only a decrease in living standards. Strange people, these Ukrainians most of all shout about their independence, and they themselves strive to get under someone's yoke.
      3. demon184
        demon184 17 March 2014 16: 00
        +4
        We will wait until they receive payments for housing and communal services and pensions for March and April. maybe then they’ll decide.
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    6. cdrt
      cdrt 18 March 2014 15: 21
      0
      Good article.
      And in some ways, a good comparison of the Golden Eagle on the Maidan with immunity.

      In this case, it’s just probably still harder.
      Yanyk himself created a regime of such a gangster robbery (i.e., protection) of the whole country, which the majority perceived as a complete mess.
      It is clear that the same Berkutians understood this, because they were citizens of the same country.
      And on the Maidan there were not only Westerners-militants, but also ordinary people.
      Moreover, there were an absolute majority of them - for the yanyk really got everyone.
      The only question is that in Ukraine the only possible discourse today is Ukrainian nationalism (the rest are fragmented, the interests of all groups contradict other, etc., etc.).
      Accordingly, after the actual victory of the revolution, the extreme right will inevitably come to power (not the Nazis, of course, the majority are nationalists (which are, after all, two big differences)) - as the detachment most inspired to fight.
      And now a curious situation arises - the construction of the Ukrainian national state (which in general is not bad at all) in a country where Russians in some regions are up to 50% (well, now without Crimea).
      It is clear that the Russians are not obliged to participate in the building of the national state of another people. It is also impossible to say how "invaders" are in the Baltic states, because the South and East were colonized by the Russians.
      At the same time, the Ukrainians will most likely not be able to build a multinational state, this requires a huge historical experience, which only "imperial" peoples have, accustomed to living together with other peoples, languages, traditions over the centuries.
      So ... the Kiev government is more likely not the Nazis, but the Provisional Government of Prince. Lviv or Kerensky. And PS is a nationalist analogue of the Slovak Republic and the Bolsheviks.
      And the Russians South and East as territories supporting the "whites".
      And the military and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, who kind of swore allegiance to the people and the country, to the legitimate authorities.
      It is rather a situation where the patient has oncology and a cold at the same time.
      And immunity is already going crazy and does not know what to react to and what not.
  2. Fiero
    Fiero 17 March 2014 14: 12
    +9
    Return the east and all access to the sea, and divide the rest between Lukashenko and the Rusyns (their land is Transcarpathia), maybe even Poland will get something ...
    1. Sma11
      Sma11 17 March 2014 14: 16
      +24
      maybe Poland will get something


      Poland only Banderstadt. Whom they raised, let him be taken.
      1. XAHAHATE
        XAHAHATE 17 March 2014 14: 23
        +4
        yes
        I think the Poles are offended for the fact that they are not in the Slavic union, like Ukraine, Belarus and Russia)
      2. avg
        avg 17 March 2014 14: 42
        +7
        Quote: Sma11
        maybe Poland will get something

        Poland, as always, after all the redistributions. Tresyuli to the fullest, universal resentment and plaintive song "Polska has not died yet" crying
    2. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 17 March 2014 16: 38
      0
      Quote: Fiero
      maybe even Poland will get something ...

      Poland - a dupot, not a piece of Ukraine
      1. alex popov
        alex popov 17 March 2014 19: 43
        +4
        If Ukraine nevertheless falls further, Poland and Romania will not stand aside.
        As for the current moment, it seems to me that no one in the West fully believed that people would organize and Putin would go to the end. Now they have a natural panic and a complete lack of understanding of what to do next.
        My advice to them, dismiss why your advisers who advised you to behave so brazenly and impudently with Russia. Do not forget, Russian people in the face of danger only unite, and do not crumble like rats in the corners.
        Yes, and pray for Alaska.)
  3. Evkur
    Evkur 17 March 2014 14: 15
    +12
    Crimea will now be a springboard for the development of victory throughout Ukraine! The degree of glow is only rising! Banderlog get ready to know the full power of Russian weapons!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 17 March 2014 16: 07
      +7
      Quote: Evkur
      The degree of glow is only rising! Banderlogs get ready to learn all the power of Russian weapons!

      Well, the fact that the degree rises - that's for sure! especially in the heads of "some" !!!

      Parubiy thwarted a large-scale operation of the Russian separatists


      Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Andriy Parubiy announced the disruption of a large-scale operation by Russian separatists to invade Ukraine called "Russian Spring".

      "Today, according to all our information, an operation was planned in eight regions of Ukraine. It was planned at 12 noon to gather the so-called rallies, proclaim the so-called people's governors, seize regional administrations. They could not implement this stage 2 weeks ago and planned to implement it today," Parubiy said in an interview with Channel 5 on Sunday.

      According to him, after the operation planned for March 16, a "peaceful march of the cross" to Kiev was planned for March 21.

      "As of today, we can say that this plan of theirs was a failure. There were more or less broad measures in several regions - Donetsk, Lugansk, Kharkiv. And these events gathered much fewer people than the separatists planned than the outside forces planned - technologists Kremlin ", - added the NSDC secretary.
      http://www.versii.com/news/299414/
      And also !!!
      Avakov said that rallies in the south-east of Ukraine initiated by separatists
      There is a huge amount of evidence that separatist rallies in Kharkov, Donetsk and Lugansk were initiated by extremists from the territory of the Russian Federation.
      This was announced during an extraordinary meeting of the government by the Minister of Internal Affairs Arsen Avakov, the press service of the CMU reports.

      "In Ukraine SBU detained a large number of people with official identity cards of GRU officers and incriminating sabotage materials, including elements of explosives ”- said Avakov.

      According to him, in Ukraine, provocateurs are supported extremist organizations of pro-Russian views, which are financed from abroad. “Financing schemes are partially established, partially determined. The SBU and the Ministry of Internal Affairs adequately respond to separatist actions, several people have already been detained, ”the minister emphasized.

      Avakov also confirmed the information circulated by the media that the same group of people who are taking part in rallies in Donetsk and Kharkov these days spoke at similar pro-Russian protest rallies in the Baltic republics in 2009. “The same group of persons was also recorded at meetings in Odessa and Nikolaev. These are professional guest provocateurs from a neighboring state. ”- he summed up.

      Recall that in the south-east of Ukraine there are mass rallies demanding a referendum on the federal structure of Ukraine.
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-141233.html
      XXXX
      Is this what the GRU officers didn’t leave at home? Right along with explosives to see presented !!! laughing
      1. Navy7981
        Navy7981 17 March 2014 16: 26
        +11
        "... people with official IDs of officers of the GRU ..." In addition to certificates, our GRUs wear a plate on their chests, and they just carry explosives in their hands ... wink
        They are there that really are not friends with the head ???
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 17 March 2014 18: 26
          +3
          Quote: Navy7981
          They are there that really are not friends with the head ???

          Soon they will even stop eating it because there will be nothing What friendship is there wassat
        2. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov 17 March 2014 22: 09
          +1
          ... people with official IDs of officers of the GRU ... "In addition to IDs, our GRUs wear a plaque on their chests, and they just carry explosives in their hands ...
          Topic: Stirlitz walked the streets of evening Berlin. And everyone he met recognized him as a Soviet intelligence officer.
          Someone with a deeply pulled cap over their eyes, some with a cigarette in their teeth, and some ... with a parachute dragged from behind!
        3. aleks 62
          aleks 62 18 March 2014 12: 58
          0
          ... Fear has big eyes .... So in my opinion a famous proverb ...
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      3. Havoc
        Havoc 17 March 2014 16: 41
        +4
        Quote: Egoza
        “On the territory of Ukraine, the SBU detained a large number of people with official ID cards of GRU officers and incriminating sabotage materials, including explosive elements,” Avakov said.


        Yeah, with orders and medals, he’s a half-fool.
      4. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 17 March 2014 16: 43
        +4
        Quote: Egoza
        Is this what the GRU officers didn’t leave at home? Right along with explosives to see presented !!! laughing

        these were the "service certificates" that are sold in underground passages. from the same place and elements of explosives. but how the SBU and the Ministry of Internal Affairs got excited, how they began to act actively, all the "separatists" were tied up. so they would work in January-February.
      5. inkass_98
        inkass_98 17 March 2014 17: 06
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        SBU detained a large number of people with official identity cards of GRU officers and incriminating sabotage materials, including explosive elements

        Aha, and there was also a parachute dragging behind them, there was a place to be on the heads of the Budennovka, a Mauser-9 was clamped in their hands, and they walked along a pack of Belomor. Even the gentlemen of the new authorities cannot really sbrehat.
      6. Shaki's memory
        Shaki's memory 17 March 2014 18: 22
        +9
        Well, maybe a housewife in Denmark will believe that GRU officers go on assignments with their documents, certificates, awards and diplomas, and of course with birth certificates, insurance poles and medical insurance, and suddenly get hurt ... But freeze .. But ..
        I used to think that in Russia they are so lying that Ukrainians are being brainwashed .. Oshibalsya, we will still be amused. A fact from life. A young Ukrainian man is paid $ 50 per day on site. We ask .. why do you want to go to Europe so much and why you don’t love us so much. The answer was stunned. "You are scoops and we do not want to work for $ 300 a month." We are trying to explain that they seem to be paying him 1300 dollars, excluding housing and food, and if he was a specialist, he would receive more than 2000 .. But the clinic is still a scoop and work in for 300 dollars a month ... DON'T PROVE that's the problem .. Even if the facts are obvious ..
  4. Stiletto
    Stiletto 17 March 2014 14: 16
    +3
    Missed the country, and now it makes sense to look for those to blame outside MainDown?
  5. Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 17 March 2014 14: 16
    +47
    Damn it, what's going on in Kiev!

    That is, I can rape a woman, Russian by nationality, rob a bank, shoot a couple of cops, and they will release me "for services to the Maidan"? So that's why everyone was eager to go there, to the Maidan, then to rob and live like pirates?

    Parasites, crooks, anti-peace anarchists, but simply s.k.o.t.y. that's who was on the Maidan then.
    1. rasputin17
      rasputin17 17 March 2014 14: 22
      +37
      Damn it, what's going on in Kiev!


      Everything rolls and flies into the abyss from which then it will take a long time to wash away all the abomination on not only the streets of cities but also human souls that will leave this herd of banderlogs !!
      1. SF93
        SF93 17 March 2014 23: 49
        +2
        Kiev is now not Kiev, but Svinigorod or, as in Banderlogian Schweinsburg.
    2. Thompson
      Thompson 17 March 2014 14: 24
      +20
      Well, not really like that. It was on the Maidan and ordinary people. And he came on business. But he was not sourly divorced and used as extras in his script.
      1. Sma11
        Sma11 17 March 2014 14: 28
        +6
        Any mirage pleases the soul,
        Any illusion is a sip ...
        My dog ​​is proud to be free
        Keeping your leash in your teeth.
        (Igor Guberman)
      2. Anper
        Anper 17 March 2014 15: 27
        +4
        Quote: Thompson
        And he came on business. But he was not sourly divorced and used as extras in his script.

        So once - we sang a hymn, two - we sang a hymn, three - we sang a hymn. So many times we prayed and shouted “Gang - get out!” How long does it take for ordinary people to come to their senses? Because now this ordinary peoplewho has turned into rams, is more than anything else afraid of Putin and his war. For this ordinary people, punitive forces are being formed under his nose against himself, and he welcomes this. Ignorance of the law does not relieve responsibility - that means ordinary people with liberal slop in the head, too, to blame. And slurp already a full spoon.
        1. rider49
          rider49 17 March 2014 17: 36
          +21
          ... "ordinary people" ... for many years under the influence of Savik Shuster and others like him ... And man is what he consumes ... This applies to ordinary food, but ... even more spiritual !! ! ... It is impossible to listen, see, read what the pro-Maidan propaganda spews out ...
      3. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 17 March 2014 16: 46
        +5
        Quote: Thompson
        Well, not really like that. It was on the Maidan and ordinary people. And he came on business. But he was not sourly divorced and used as extras in his script.

        these are the problems of this "common people". if you support Nazism, go in one column with the Nazis, then you yourself become a Nazi.
      4. rider49
        rider49 17 March 2014 17: 25
        +3
        ... As in the song: ... You pidmanula me, you pidvil me ... "
    3. ed65b
      ed65b 17 March 2014 14: 33
      +9
      Quote: Max_Bauder
      Oh, I can rape a woman of Russian nationality,

      You can rape any woman and a man, too, regardless of nationality and religion. dress balaclava and headband.
      1. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 17 March 2014 14: 42
        +9
        Quote: ed65b
        You can rape any woman and a man, too, regardless of nationality and religion. dress balaclava and headband.


        I now understand why these grandfathers were fascists, our grandfathers beat together, morality is either there or not.
      2. avg
        avg 17 March 2014 14: 58
        +7
        Quote: ed65b
        You can rape any woman and a man, too, regardless of nationality and religion. dress balaclava and headband.

        Three are not allowed - Yulka, Farion and Chornovol, but they and their "comrades in arms" are scared.
    4. Tersky
      17 March 2014 14: 48
      +6
      Quote: Max_Bauder
      That is, I can rape a woman, a Russian by nationality, rob a bank, shoot a couple of cops, and I will be released "for services to the Maidan"?

      They just won't let you go, you have no "merits" before the Maidan. yes ! And they let you go listed :
      Quote: Max_Bauder
      Parasites, rogues, anti-peace anarchists, and simply s.k.o.t.y.

      Why exactly LISTED? Because the Maidan attracted to itself everything that is unnatural to a normal person (der @ mo in the same number). The list goes on and on. wink
  6. TAMERLAN 7
    TAMERLAN 7 17 March 2014 14: 18
    +20
    “These are not horror stories - hundreds of Maidan militants felt their strength, gained experience and weapons, have a clear ideology that does not imply work for them in factories or in the field. And they themselves will not go anywhere.
    In western Ukraine, they have forgotten how to work in their own country, and they, for the most part, in Russia, help Moldavians in auxiliary buildings, help build. Here, in western Ukraine, all the plants have collapsed, plants, enterprises. If they work, then a couple of people, for a small local business. Laughter, even farming has broken up. Pickled cucumbers are easier to get from Vietnam in the store than to find ours! What are you talking about! Do not let builders from western Ukraine to Russia and western Ukraine will starve to death!
    1. demon184
      demon184 17 March 2014 16: 11
      +5
      What mobilization ???? In Poland, the sowing is in progress, all hundreds will go to Poland.
    2. kocclissi
      kocclissi 17 March 2014 21: 13
      0
      Late! Time is lost!
  7. Thompson
    Thompson 17 March 2014 14: 18
    +5
    Everything said corresponds to the moment. I support. Word and deed now only in the east and southeast! Get up before it's too late! Otherwise, it will get worse.
  8. made13
    made13 17 March 2014 14: 19
    +5
    Nobody knows about the real events in Ukraine - declaring about freedom and democratic values, the new vlada is fighting hard against dissent. All episodes that became known to the media are "loud". And no one really knows how many and what "episodes" are happening. And no one is investigating or punishing them. Maidan clearly showed that the execution of the oath entails death, expulsion and humiliation, and violation of the law - amnesty, permissiveness and recognition as heroes. Now these are landmarks for the army and special services in Ukraine.
  9. Tehb
    Tehb 17 March 2014 14: 20
    +8
    Correct words: until they themselves want to, nothing more than statements we can help east and south. Or the Russian genocide, but this is the worst scenario that I would not want to. So hold referenda ahead, and we will support. Crimea set an example.
  10. Capyar 48315
    Capyar 48315 17 March 2014 14: 22
    +2
    correct article. The main question is now - what next? True, remaining unrequited in her.
    Those. after the dividing line between the "European vector with a fascist flavor" (those areas that accept this idea / power, should carefully look at the experience of the Rivne and Kiev regions) and "Russians and Little Russians" will be determined.

    Maybe this is what the GDP is waiting for and the answer depends on it.
  11. Thomas
    Thomas 17 March 2014 14: 24
    +15
    Kiev announced a partial mobilization.
    Mobilization is carried out during 45 days from the date of entry into force of the decree, ”the text of the explanatory note to the document, which is considered in the Parliament, said. 275 deputies voted for the decision.
    http://vz.ru/news/2014/3/17/677474.html
    And now the operation to identify the unreliable will begin. I am practically convinced that they will start to catch people. Whoever opposes will receive an article. The so-called guard is just waiting for a command to "warm up" with money and property in the East and South of Ukraine.
    1. demon184
      demon184 17 March 2014 16: 14
      +3
      You did not understand correctly, mobilization should help the budget. All mobilized people will be sent to Poland for sowing, for one budget they will replenish.
  12. svetlomor
    svetlomor 17 March 2014 14: 25
    +9
    Of course, it is not necessary to introduce troops there, but polite special-purpose people must be sent.
    1. demoniac1666
      demoniac1666 17 March 2014 21: 44
      0
      It’s too late to introduce Polite people, their army is already in the field, and not in the barracks, it will not work to block it, and any provocation can lead to shooting! They had to be introduced much earlier.
  13. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 17 March 2014 14: 27
    +5
    yes, I agree with the article, Yanukovych is a classic suburban son of his people, to the last, both ours and yours, zapadentsev will do business, and then try to divide the outskirts themselves to save how beneficial it is for them to talk about any Rusyns. the author writes correctly to defend the east, it’s been clear for a long time that all the steam goes to the whistle because they themselves don’t know what they want, they definitely don’t want to go to Russia like Crimea - there’s still a subcutaneous fat, I’m afraid when they want it, the fervor will fade away first, secondly, in Russia they will no longer wait so the west of the outskirts is more likely to announce a division than the east
  14. Same lech
    Same lech 17 March 2014 14: 30
    +13
    How can you resist the armed militants who came from GALICIA to establish their own rules ...
    ONLY WITH ARMED WAY ... while in EASTERN UKRAINE an organized rebuff to these Nazis is not visible.

    Time will tell if EAST UKRAINE or the Russian-speaking people of UKRAINE will ripen for this, like rotting Jews in LVIV in 1941 ... there are prerequisites for this.

    In some places, inscriptions are already appearing on the houses where the Russian family LIVES ... HERE LIVES MOSCOW ....
    REMINDS NOTHING from history ??
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 17 March 2014 15: 55
      +8
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      How can you resist the armed militants who came from GALICIA to establish their own rules ...
      ONLY WITH ARMED WAY ... while in EASTERN UKRAINE an organized rebuff to these Nazis is not visible.

      It is somehow difficult to stop the bandits armed with a firearm with simple unarmed civilian hands ...
      If the Ukrainian army does not understand that there is MUCH more happening than Bender’s lawlessness, doesn’t remember the fate of the dead Berkut soldiers and military men on the Maidan, the situation will only worsen.
      Everything that happens is reminiscent of the situation in Odessa in the mid-90s, when the bandits actually seized power, blackmailing the security officials with addresses and relatives. The same thing is happening today with drums and fanfare “Russia attacked”, etc. Adequate generals and officers left the General Staff (or they were forced to leave), acting. Secretary of Defense works for the State Department and the CIA.
      So the officers are faced with a dilemma of whom and what to listen to - orders from their superiors, supported by blackmail about the fate of families, or their own hearts when they see that "... everything is not so guys, everything is not so ...".
    2. rider49
      rider49 17 March 2014 17: 57
      +4
      ... We'll have to accept refugees ... The demographic situation allows and even contributes ... Yes, and geographically there is where to place ... Under certain circumstances, the UN will help ... financially ...)))
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 17 March 2014 18: 05
        +3
        Quote: rider49
        The demographic situation allows and even contributes ... Yes, and geographically there is where to place it.

        This is in contrast to the propagandized "refugees from Crimea expected in Lvov region" ...
        Crimea - crush to the beginning of the redivision of the Slavic world, redrawing geographical maps ...
  15. 222222
    222222 17 March 2014 14: 31
    +10
    "Ukraine. A systematic error of most analysts!"
    Ukraine = system error ....
    1. rider49
      rider49 17 March 2014 18: 00
      +4
      ...Exactly...!!!
  16. Arh
    Arh 17 March 2014 14: 31
    +1
    Southeast of Russia, central Ukraine is learning the mind under the leadership of Russia, and the western part is a separate state. So let's see how this galicia begins to bomb !!!)))
  17. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 17 March 2014 14: 32
    +4
    P.S. But let us not forget that against the background of a certain tactical retreat in Little Russia, Russia's strategic victory is becoming apparent - it is possible that Western Ukraine has demonstrated its passionarity, but against this background, Western countries have shown their impotence in the confrontation with Russia. By the way, this is not the first time in a couple of years that the West has demonstrated the weakness of its Idea. And Russia has its own strength. Which once again confirms the correctness of the strategic conclusion about the decline of the West in general and the United States in particular.

    This is not a postscript. This is a general and most important summary of all the events that have taken place in recent months in Ukraine.
    We can only add that the clear intervention of the West in the sphere of Russian interests and their support of the Nazi regime had an extremely positive impact on the self-awareness of the peoples of Russia and its international rating.
  18. Sibiryak13
    Sibiryak13 17 March 2014 14: 32
    +6
    In the east and south, it would be nice for the guys to mobilize. One cannot stand against the fascists alone.
  19. targitai
    targitai 17 March 2014 14: 32
    +5
    Crowds of young guys, instead of building and working, roam around with weapons and pose as heroes. And soon the sowing season. Who will work in the field? Old men? Women? How much do they grow so much? Yes, they will soon have nothing to eat there. Parasites and parasites.
    1. rider49
      rider49 17 March 2014 18: 08
      +2
      ... They didn’t work before ..., they didn’t build .., they didn’t grow ... Old men and women tinkered in the ground, and so on. Even the people of Kiev are going to sow potatoes and eat so ...
  20. Cossacks
    Cossacks 17 March 2014 14: 34
    +7
    It is said in essence. 25 years ago, the Chinese have rolled out their students still silence. At the same time, in Tbilisi, a cowardly democratic bodyguard was lit up, well, where is who and what. Big blood can be prevented by small and not demagogy.
  21. ed65b
    ed65b 17 March 2014 14: 35
    +6
    Zhirinovsky said that until there is a mountain of corpses in the southeast, Putin does not have a legitimate right to enter Ukraine. maybe he is right?
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 17 March 2014 16: 01
      +12
      Quote: ed65b
      Zhirinovsky said that until there is a mountain of corpses in the southeast, Putin does not have a legitimate right to enter Ukraine. maybe he is right?

      Unfortunately...
      Donbass and Kharkov do not have the status of autonomy and the right to self-determination. No referendum has legal status. Like Odessa and Nikolaev ...
      I got into a mess with all my Ukrainian classmates on the subject of information war - all over Ukraine on TV they show and talk only about the evil GDP and the aggressor Russia.
      1. rider49
        rider49 17 March 2014 18: 12
        +9
        ... Similarly ... It is not recommended to discuss such acute political issues with friends and relatives, fraught with quarrels, etc., by a mini-civil war ... People do not want to hear and understand other opinions ... !!!
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 17 March 2014 19: 58
          +3
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Unfortunately...
          Donbass and Kharkov do not have the status of autonomy and the right to self-determination. No referendum has legal status. Like Odessa and Nikolaev ...

          Is it really a matter of legal status ... Yanukovych had a status and still has it.
          I heard on TV about the political end of Richelieu. Its meaning is that if you are wrong but strong, everyone will gradually recognize that you are right. If it is weak, then no most obvious rightness will help ...
          In Kharkiv and Donetsk, 70-100 thousand demonstrations should take to the streets. And so, all that is seen is that there are bold anti-Bandera, and not a few in number. But mass, mass is passive. They think they will not be touched. Or, mabut, in Europe it will be garno. Bude. "Fayno" bude. yes
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 17 March 2014 20: 59
            +1
            Quote: Alekseev
            Is it really a matter of legal status ... Yanukovych had a status and still has it.

            The whole mattress-gayrop whistle dance has developed around "legal terms". Stupefied by the "rights and freedoms" of homosexuals, the man in the street can no longer understand what is the cause of the conflict situation, what lies at the heart of the Ukrainian crisis. The massive defamation of Russia began on the eve of the Olympics, and has now reached its climax.
            It began to dawn on the western man in the street that the military conflict would affect ALL old Europe. But MatrasoStan stubbornly plays the "war card" - the economy is in a dupe, the variant with inciting the Second World War is repeated word-for-word. The role of "offended" Poland has been voluntarily assumed by today's Ukraine in the person of Tupchinov-Yaytsenyuk. The point is small - a very good provocation on the border of Russia and Ukraine. And everything suggests that this provocation will take place today or tomorrow.
            All. Banderlog pass their Rubicon.
            And I don’t see how all this can be stopped ...
            1. Alekseev
              Alekseev 17 March 2014 21: 34
              0
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              everything suggests that this provocation will take place today or tomorrow.

              It makes no sense to them, rabbit and K, to arrange provocations.
              The consequences for them may be bad: the separation of the East and the Black Sea region, because a serious provocation can cause the entry of Russian troops, at least special forces. This step of the Russian Federation will cause the mass formation of armed anti-Bandera formations, the overthrow of puppet state administrations and the destruction of a large number of banderlogs and large populations that have joined them.
              The transition of many fascist activists and, sadly, joining them (accomplices) in the ranks of heaven, is not hundreds, but thousands, and the fact that many broad rabbits consider half ... m can cause strong dissatisfaction with the government (they say, poorly manages the battles) and a riot, as a result of which the members of the junta who seized power will have a real opportunity to meet with fighters slammed on the Maidan in hell.
              True, given that the rabbit does not have solid power, some Yarosh may well arrange a massive boil at the border, or even in the Russian border.
              I feel sorry for people.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 17 March 2014 21: 45
                +1
                Quote: Alekseev
                It makes no sense to them, rabbit and K, to arrange provocations.
                The consequences for them may be bad: the separation of the East and the Black Sea region, because a serious provocation can cause the entry of Russian troops, at least special forces.

                They have only one meaning - to provoke military RESPONSE actions of Russia. And then the Air Force and other brekhunks will spread the "truth about Moscow" around the world. As a result - the military presence of NATO troops in Ukraine.
                Quote: Alekseev
                This step of the Russian Federation will cause the mass formation of armed anti-Bandera formations, the overthrow of puppet state administrations and the destruction of a large number of banderlogs and large groups that have joined them.

                Russia does not have time - already published a decree of neo-Bandera in the spirit of "death to accomplices of Russia on the territory of Ukraine", and added that Russians in Ukraine are a diaspora ... That's it. The crazy rabbit in Matrasia has good consultants.
                And when the South-East is cleaned up under the banner of BanderoDemocracy, the problem will disappear altogether.
                The Armed Forces of Ukraine BEGIN a military operation to isolate and clean up the population with the support and active assistance of the Maydan militants armed from the plundered arsenals. And at the same time it moves to the border with Russia "under provocation."
        2. scientist
          scientist 18 March 2014 01: 22
          0
          Quote: rider49
          People do not want to hear and understand other opinions ... !!!

          This is the misfortune of many who are still preparing to "step on a rake". Sometimes you just need to wait and the "rake" will find their hero themselves.
          GDP has taken a wait-and-see attitude and this is probably the only right decision until the people of Ukraine mature and understand. And he will understand very quickly, hunger is not an aunt.
      2. Putnik960
        Putnik960 18 March 2014 11: 20
        0
        And after all, they, in Ukraine, believe this unconditionally. Even brains do not include. And persuasion, see alternative news for them is not an argument.
  22. 3030
    3030 17 March 2014 14: 37
    +3
    "By the way, this is not the first time in a couple of years the West has shown the weakness of its Idea" - THERE IS NO TRUTH FOR YOU FOREIGNER !!!
  23. Alekst
    Alekst 17 March 2014 14: 42
    +3
    Here's how interesting these Maidan hundreds will look in the national guard? Indeed, in theory, this is the formation of a military model, with discipline and all that corresponds to the army structure, and of course with a certain monetary allowance. It seems to me that if all this continues for some time, then their National Guard will resemble the Praetorians in Rome.
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 17 March 2014 16: 56
      +3
      Quote: Alekst
      Here's how interesting these Maidan hundreds will look in the national guard?

      as how - 1 Lvov battalion, 2 Galician battalion, etc. commanded by "Pan Ataman", on the general Maidan they choose the commander of the regiment, if they don't like it, they remove and elect another. orders we will carry out those that we like, and not all. wink fellow I think it’s just a huge OPS
  24. Gagarin
    Gagarin 17 March 2014 14: 44
    +6
    Yes, but with the withdrawal of Crimea from Ukraine, the country's debt per capita increased ...
    If this goes on ...
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 17 March 2014 16: 05
      +3
      Quote: Gagarin
      Yes, but with the withdrawal of Crimea from Ukraine, the country's debt per capita increased ...
      If this goes on ...

      The current government does not care - the West He pledged not only parabellum ...
      But the HEADLESS live only for today, they have only hatred and a passion for destruction in their brains. It is already scary to look into "tomorrow" in Ukraine, but the deadly harvest is just beginning ...
      1. skifd
        skifd 17 March 2014 17: 51
        +10
        Joke about Crimea and Putin:

        "Meet Russian President Vladimir Putin and Israeli President Shimon Peres.
        “Volodya, do you definitely have no Jewish roots?”
        “Why did you decide so, Shimon?”
        - Because even for a Jew to force the Americans to pay 5 billion dollars for the annexation of Crimea to Russia is BRILLIANT !!!
        (from)"

        Let's hope that the number of people with debts to the west by a few southeastern regions will decrease
        . I just would like to believe.
        1. scientist
          scientist 18 March 2014 01: 40
          0
          And here's another joke from life.
          In response to the imposition of sanctions by the EU and the USA, the Russian stock markets of the MICEX and RTS showed growth of more than 3% and 4%, and the dollar and euro depreciated.
          So I did not understand who imposed sanctions against whom?
          Moreover, this is not the first time that the West’s actions against Russia result in our army becoming stronger, union states appearing, territory expanding, and now the West has decided to improve the Russian economy.
          Really you begin to believe in the truth of the saying "what is good for a Russian, then death for a German"
          On the other hand, when the West tried to do something good for us during the times of perestroika and reboot, we almost lost the country.
  25. maksim
    maksim 17 March 2014 14: 46
    +3
    the principle of "boomerang" has not yet been canceled
  26. ysychyov
    ysychyov 17 March 2014 14: 48
    +2
    I agree with the opinion that for the tranquility of the east of Ukraine to shed a lot of blood, it can be a lot, but the lives of our soldiers are not valuable, so we must act according to the Yugoslav scenario, "blue helmets", etc.
  27. Grenz
    Grenz 17 March 2014 14: 49
    +10
    I have already noticed that the fists of the Donbass miners are weaker than those of the Russian guys. No. So what's up? Banderlogs are still operating with lances and clubs and gas. There are no tanks. But something of the miners at the rally is not visible with the same clubs and stakes from the fence. And since the eastern citizens substitute their boys and women, and apparently they themselves are eating vodka, then they are unlikely to receive help. Help is needed for those who are fighting, not for those - "MY HUT WITH THE BORDER". 300 residents of Olkhovka stopped a military train. Ay miners. Where are you? Why are the women again stopping trains, and you are waiting for the Russians. Do not panov yourself. But when Bandera sends tanks against the people, then the Russian guy will show his fist. In the meantime, the Panovs themselves.
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 17 March 2014 16: 58
      +3
      Quote: grenz
      There are no tanks. But something of the miners at the rally is not visible with the same clubs and stakes from the fence.

      could drive a tunneling machine out of the mine, the maidanuty would run away
    2. Prospector
      Prospector 17 March 2014 20: 08
      +2
      Miss Ukraine with such speeches. Miners work, they need to feed their families !!! They won’t be paid for participation in the protest! I’m not a miner but there are miners I know. Yes, even take me. My whole soul is for Russia, since I’m half Russian myself, but My family is a child. I have to earn them bread. I can’t strike now, not before
      1. matross
        matross 17 March 2014 20: 24
        +4
        Quote: Seeker
        I have a family, a child, I have to earn them bread. I can’t go on strike now, not before

        Well, work on! As "before that" becomes - call, we will sympathize ...
        1. Ulyan
          Ulyan 18 March 2014 12: 50
          0
          Work and endure lads, endure until the rectum is torn to shreds ....
      2. yur
        yur 17 March 2014 23: 51
        +2
        Quote: Seeker
        Miss Ukraine with such speeches. Miners work for them to feed their families !!! They need to participate in
        No, dear, it’s YOU miss Ukraine. If you expect that ONLY we must protect YOU from YOUR Bandera, then I don’t know, maybe you can leave you alone there? It will hurt, but at least honestly.
      3. aleks 62
        aleks 62 18 March 2014 13: 07
        0
        With this logic, you will soon be left without bread, and the family (God forbid!) May be reduced in number ...
    3. aleks 62
      aleks 62 18 March 2014 13: 05
      0
      The miners are yet to pay a salary .... How to cease, then out of the ground and get out ...
  28. Bakht
    Bakht 17 March 2014 14: 49
    +18
    The problem is that a country (state) without an idea can exist. And there may even be a state with openly inhuman ideas. Hitler almost crushed all of Europe under him. Rather, he just crushed the whole of Europe. And only in a collision with force, he had to look for cyanide. And in Nuremberg the entire top was led not by an idea, but by force. In modern politically correct language, the USSR in 1941-45 carried out an operation to "enforce peace."

    Modern fascist Ukraine is gaining strength. And it will be fed by the same forces that nurtured the Nazis in Germany.

    The gap of Ukraine along the Dnieper is the most obvious goal. And as it seems to many, easy to reach. I myself have repeatedly stated that Ukraine will be torn. But he immediately said that this is the most unfavorable result for Russia. Because, receiving in the form of a bonus large territories populated by Russians and Russian speakers, Russia automatically brings a fragment of the country set up that is violently anti-Russian to its borders. And NATO bases, if not near Kharkov, then near Kiev, are unambiguous.

    Crimea returned de facto and de jure. This has been the minimum task for today. It's done. Successful enough. You can "ignore and forget" about the squeals of Europe. But now we need a legitimate president of Ukraine. We need Yanukovych with his gang. At least until the next election. We need a united Ukraine, whose people will reject the Banderaites. And they can be rejected only by economic indicators. Therefore, Russia's policy must be procrastination and push-pull tactics. Without any support from the finances of the official Kiev. A few more months and the country will be a bandit chaos. It is not for nothing that Yatsenyuk is demanding money from Moscow, the United States and Europe are trying with all their might to seat Moscow at the negotiating table with Kiev. And Yarosh is trying to blow up the gas pipeline. All the same, little will go on it in the future. These are all provocations and passions. I wonder how Turchynov is going to supply and arm 30 guards, if the more prosperous Ukraine could not even support 000 soldiers. After all, no one disbanded the army. This means that 20 guardsmen plus the police must be added to the 000 soldiers.

    Summary. It's time to start strikes throughout the East. Anyway, no one will give money for the work. We need a united Ukraine with a sane government.
    1. demon184
      demon184 17 March 2014 16: 21
      +4
      Yanukovych’s coward is over, he should have been imprisoned in Kharkov as president of Ukraine, and then the position of the east would have been much stronger. The siloviki of east and south of Ukraine would not obey Kiev and protect the population from friendship trains. It would be easier for the people to resist the fascists, and even it would be possible to begin the liberation of central Ukraine. And now, when the security forces obeyed the Maidan, it is only possible to arrange rallies that are not needed for anyone. Yanukovych is just a rag which you can wave in front of the west and talk about the non-legitimacy of the junta
    2. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 17 March 2014 17: 03
      +1
      Quote: Bakht
      We need a united Ukraine, whose people will reject Bandera. And they can be rejected only by economic indicators.

      where does the economy - coexistence with the Nazis is simply impossible for a normal person. if Ukrainians agree to live under Nazi rule, then this is a full 3,14
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 17 March 2014 17: 49
        +3
        Quote: wasjasibirjac
        where does the economy - coexistence with the Nazis is simply impossible for a normal person. if Ukrainians agree to live under Nazi rule, then this is a full 3,14

        The economy is a serious lady. If the Nazis in Kiev stabilize the economy (with the support of the West), then Ukrainians will have to live under the Nazis. So it’s the economy that needs to be strangled. Europe will not pay them. Unless money oligarchs. But for Kiev, this is a suicidal path.

        An analogy from history. You do not know why the war began in 1939? Despite the fact that Hitler planned to start in 1942. The plans for the rearmament of the army and navy were calculated for the 42nd year. The economy forced.
  29. Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol 17 March 2014 14: 50
    +4
    Quote: Alekst
    It seems to me that if all this continues for some time, then their National Guard will resemble the Praetorians in Rome.

    This guard is formed on the same principle as the first Ram assault troops in Germany of the 30 of the last century.
    1. Alekst
      Alekst 17 March 2014 15: 18
      +2
      The principle may be the same, only the content is completely different, there is no strong legitimate government, no disciplined army ready to carry out orders without reasoning, not a weak environment around the country. So they will pour out energy within the country until someone puts them in one place.
  30. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 17 March 2014 14: 50
    +2
    Such a suspicion !!! that in about five years, Russia will have to resolve this whole situation.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 17 March 2014 16: 08
      +4
      Quote: tolmachiev51
      Such a suspicion !!! that in about five years, Russia will have to resolve this whole situation.

      Do not be naive ...
      In the current state of affairs, this year the Ukrainian-Russian border will resemble the Israeli-Palestinian ...
  31. Chemicalin23
    Chemicalin23 17 March 2014 14: 52
    +1
    And again and again, for the thousandth time, different people from different countries, different backgrounds and worldviews tell you, Ukrainians and Russians of the east and south-east: - It's time to decide who you are and against whom! Even the GDP said that it all depends on your choice, and we are ready to help. But for this you must finally start doing something!
  32. atos_kin
    atos_kin 17 March 2014 14: 57
    +2
    You give the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic with the capital in Kiev!
  33. Auralski
    Auralski 17 March 2014 14: 57
    +2
    "... and tacit consent is exactly CONSENT" - well said.
    A systematic error in many heads who do not understand the development of the situation.
    The commander of the Crimean marines "does not surrender" and remains faithful to the oath (which, to whom?). Now he will not have a career anywhere.
    The commander of the Kharkiv "Berkut", declares that he cannot order to shoot at the people (a courageous act, against the background of the betrayal of the local elite!) And ... they surrender their weapons (!). You guys will need it, they won't forgive you! Crystallization of a new political system could begin around you!
    Not only flags must be hoisted, but real power must be taken. More chance may not be!
  34. pensioner
    pensioner 17 March 2014 15: 00
    +4
    Bringing order - will begin only after the establishment of the basis.
    Only until this basis is established, will people in Ukraine wash themselves with blood. In Kiev, they are already giving real terms for pro-Russian propaganda. People began to disappear. It is clear that not Bandera. At night they come with searches: the police, the SBU, and simply people in camouflage ...
    1. rider49
      rider49 17 March 2014 19: 07
      +3
      "... Every nation has the government it deserves" ... it was said more than 100 years ago and is still confirmed by the whole course of events in recent history ... Since the "Ukrainians" endure what is happening with them (with them) .. , then it could be even worse ... You can only wait for the state when it will be impossible to endure ... Then the leaders will appear ...
  35. The shy man
    The shy man 17 March 2014 15: 02
    +6
    southeast - not the Crimea .. there is an isthmus .. there are hundreds of km of borders with other areas .. there aren’t enough polite little people .. people do that they can - go to rallies .. organize .. But for weeks they can’t stand on Independence Square - and work .. feed the family.
    it's not so simple .. but the current government is doing everything to make it easier ..
    1. Naturalist
      Naturalist 17 March 2014 20: 25
      0
      You have to tackle the pitchfork soldier , and then they will feed the pan from the nat tops.
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 18 March 2014 11: 45
      0
      Quote: Modest
      people already do what they can - go out to rallies .. organize .. But for weeks they can’t stand on the Maidan - you have to work .. feed your family.
      not so simple ..

      When "fatal moments of peace" come, there are no simple solutions ...
      And "there is no war without losses."
      An option in which everyone, or very, very many, will "feed the family", and the boys from Siberia, Kursk, Voronezh will not fight with the banderlog ...
      It is better to wait until the time when, as a result of the collapse of the economy, there will be nothing to feed the family. Then activity awakens both in Russians and non-Russians
  36. Vyacheslav 64
    Vyacheslav 64 17 March 2014 15: 04
    0
    All these mobilizations are complete nonsense, the way out of the situation is clear to any sane person. Further confrontation will lead to great blood and complete chaos, from which everyone will lose. Now it is necessary to sit down at the negotiating table for three countries: Russia, the USA and Germany, without taking into account the opinions of today's Kiev clowns. Agenda:
    1 The deepest constitutional reform, taking into account the interests of all regions of Ukraine.
    2 Federated, with wide regional powers, device.
    3 In case of severe rejection of certain regions of the federal structure, a possible disgrace of the possibility of a confederal state system.
    4 At the time of the reform, the deployment of UN peacekeeping forces with MANDATORY participation of Russia and Belarus.
    5 Conducting an All-Ukrainian referendum on the state system of Ukraine.
    6 The referendum on Crimea is recognized by the entire international community.
  37. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 17 March 2014 15: 06
    +2
    Nekhay EU takes away Western Ukraine and joyfully solves its problems! And what problems will be, it is unambiguous!
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 17 March 2014 17: 08
      0
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      Nekhay EU takes away Western Ukraine and joyfully solves its problems! And what problems will be, it is unambiguous!

      maybe another slogan is better - let the EU take away the WEST and solve their problems?
  38. maxvik
    maxvik 17 March 2014 15: 13
    0
    I think Putin has the initiative now. Russia's actions in Crimea provide an incentive and goal for SE Ukraine. Now they only lack a leader. Perhaps it is worth launching Yanukovych with a clear referendum program and Putin’s recommendations. In such a bundle, he will probably be accepted. Then the Nazis will have only one option - a lot of blood. But Ukrainian security officials who can formally hide behind Yanukovych’s legitimacy will not go for it. Yanukovych is a joker. I think Putin will not wait and play this card quickly.
    1. aleshka
      aleshka 17 March 2014 15: 34
      +6
      Yanukovych is definitely not an option !!! It was his actions as a leader that led to the collapse of Ukraine !!! And now in Ukraine it is unlikely that someone will take it seriously, someone like a "people's governor" from Donetsk is needed, as needed, but it is not visible yet!
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 17 March 2014 15: 44
        +7
        Quote: Alesha
        Yanukovych is definitely not an option !!!

        Why, actually: not an option? If he comes under the slogan: “I’m guys of course d e. Rmo, but I am EVERYTHING YOU have! Let's deal with federalization, and then kick me in the neck! And you will be happy!”, Then I think, that the people will agree with this ...
      2. Camouflet
        Camouflet 18 March 2014 02: 37
        0
        Quote: Alesha
        Yanukovych is definitely not an option !!! It was his actions as a leader that led to the collapse of Ukraine !!! And now in Ukraine it is unlikely that someone will take it seriously, someone like a "people's governor" from Donetsk is needed, as needed, but it is not visible yet!

        Yanukovych is just a strong option, because there is no other option. It is unclear why the GDP does not use it. Or is he planning something completely Jesuitical? To drive Ya-cha in the ass to Donetsk is the most realistic plan. But as for the "people's governors", this is an empty idea.
    2. Black
      Black 17 March 2014 15: 52
      +4
      Quote: maxvik
      I think Putin will not wait and play this card quickly.


      So we stand and wait ... These fools are not controlled not only by eggnosers, they are not controlled by the West either. Yarosh's statements on the terrorist attacks on the gas pipeline and the theft of KAMAZ vehicles speak volumes about this. It seems that we should wait for the next "squiggles".
      For the salvaged nuclear power plants the polite guys will kiss the soles of the berets.
    3. Belarus
      Belarus 17 March 2014 15: 53
      +4
      Yanukovych will not even put his nose in Ukraine (there is still such a state) - he will chuckle with fear. Yes, and now he is like a red rag for a bull in Ukraine, not only for neo-Nazis but also for ordinary people. in the ancestors. And this at this stage is unprofitable.
      I would not even say that he is a joker - too loud, most likely just a trump card but for the time being.
      Russia needs to look for other levers of influence on those who are now at the top of Ukraine from "Chamber No. 6".
  39. Avas2006
    Avas2006 17 March 2014 15: 45
    +4
    The National Guard is a military formation with a centralized command subordinate to the government, with a charter, discipline and poor salaries ... Will the "Right Sector" militants want to obey anyone other than their field commanders?
    And I also want to pay attention. In the 2008 Olympic year, Western provocateurs received an answer from Russia - Georgia lost a lot of weight. They apparently did not understand the hint. In the 2014 Olympic - the same rake. Now Ukraine is losing weight. The plans of Western political strategists do not work. Maybe you should listen to Russia?
    1. Camouflet
      Camouflet 18 March 2014 02: 45
      0
      Quote: Avas2006
      Will Right Sector militants want to obey anyone other than their field commanders?

      Correctly noticed. Personally, I do not believe that bandits and drug addicts will observe discipline, charters, and other military requirements. The National Guard will not be one of them, the maximum is the horde, Makhnovism, and, without fail, the robbery of the Korovans.
  40. Gecko
    Gecko 17 March 2014 15: 51
    +2
    Crimea is ready to defend neighboring Russian-speaking regions from threats, Rustam Temirgaliyev, deputy prime minister of the autonomous republic of Crimea, said on Monday. His quote is from The Look.
    According to him, the Crimean self-defense units have weapons and armored vehicles left over from the disbanded Ukrainian military units, the Russian News Service reports.
    “Regarding the invasion from the territory of Ukraine to the territory of Crimea, we have a very convenient location, just one thin isthmus that separates us from mainland Ukraine. Significant self-defense forces are concentrated there, which are well-armed and equipped. We have heavy armored vehicles, which we inherited from the Ukrainian military units that were disbanded. We can not only defend ourselves, but also liberate the Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa regions from illegal authorities, ”he said.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 17 March 2014 17: 55
      +1
      Quote: gecko
      Crimea is ready to defend neighboring Russian-speaking regions from threats, Rustam Temirgaliyev, deputy prime minister of the autonomous republic of Crimea, said on Monday. His quote is from The Look.
      According to him, the Crimean self-defense units have weapons and armored vehicles left over from the disbanded Ukrainian military units, the Russian News Service reports.
      “Regarding the invasion from the territory of Ukraine to the territory of Crimea, we have a very convenient location, just one thin isthmus that separates us from mainland Ukraine. Significant self-defense forces are concentrated there, which are well-armed and equipped. We have heavy armored vehicles, which we inherited from the Ukrainian military units that were disbanded. We can not only defend ourselves, but also liberate the Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa regions from illegal authorities, ”he said.

      Such statements must be made with the head. Then Crimea completely in vain asked to be a part of Russia. Now, if Crimea remained independent and decided to liberate the Kherson, Nikolaev and Odessa regions "from illegal authorities," then the situation would be different. It would be a variant of a civil war. And now these statements frame Russia and make it a party to the conflict.
    2. Camouflet
      Camouflet 18 March 2014 02: 53
      0
      Quote: gecko
      Crimea is ready to defend neighboring Russian-speaking regions against threats

      He cannot do this, he cannot. He is not an independent state, but Russia. Officially can’t.

      Although ... Russians have always had "soldier's ingenuity".

      If Crimea said so, does it mean that it knows something? :-)
  41. Alex 50
    Alex 50 17 March 2014 15: 51
    +5
    With bandits you need to talk only from a position of strength. Negotiating with maydaunami in Kiev is nothing. It is necessary to strengthen the border with Crimea, to constantly conduct exercises near Ukraine, to support or find strong leaders in the southeast, to send American and Western clowns to hell. It is necessary to support the idea of ​​holding a referendum on the status of regions in the southeast, switch to a prepayment system for gas supplies, etc. And if it is necessary, without looking back to the west, send troops and clean the southeast from Bandera scum.
    1. aleshka
      aleshka 17 March 2014 16: 04
      +4
      Here is at least one real comment !!! And that’s lead, a loop, rods !!! This is not a quick thing, and now you can’t climb the South-East in any way, we will restore the pro-Russian population against us! And such as the United States starts dancing with joy — that Russians and Ukrainians are killing each other !!! The information war, propaganda of Russia as a state, radio, Internet and television broadcasting to Ukraine — and a year and a half later, everything falls into hands !!! And -invest in the Crimea so that neighboring areas saliva emanated from envy !!!
  42. serega.fedotov
    serega.fedotov 17 March 2014 15: 54
    +1
    A lot of blood will be able to deplete the anti-Natsysk forces in Ukraine, or the military who refused to carry out criminal orders, even a small RF will be enough
    1. Belarus
      Belarus 17 March 2014 16: 04
      +2
      You see, the Nazis only need a lot of blood in Ukraine. This is their reason for living if you want. They can’t work, they don’t want and will never NEVER. Yes, and these are controlled not from Ukraine, but from the USA. sixes.
      If in the very near future in the East and Southeast there is no such leader (even if this leader will not be constantly in Ukraine) who leads the people, everything can end sadly.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 17 March 2014 16: 30
        +2
        Quote: Belarus
        the Nazis only need a lot of blood in Ukraine.

        They are just waiting for this! Indeed, for the crush, the current government is legitimate, and they may well turn to the west with a request for military assistance! Yes, it’s against the rules, but when did the west stop the rules? Especially when it will be possible to annoy Russia!
  43. Nikxnumx
    Nikxnumx 17 March 2014 15: 57
    +4
    Thank you, Vitya, for stability, for the fact that debility has begun, for the fact that we do not have incomes, for increasing expenses ... Thank you, Vitya, for the country that has overgrown with virgin grass, for the fact that there is no future, but in the present it’s only nonsense ... Thank you, Vitya, for all of us, for gas sold to Europe, for a bucket in the pocket for the people, for the prosperity of freaks ... Thank you, Vitya, for the loan, I’ve beaten them for forty years, but I finish off the housing and communal services, I would have killed him without sin! !! Thank you, Vitya, for your school, for drugs and Coke, education in the country a long time ago in the dermis !!! Thank you, Vitya for the people, for the wonderful divorce, for the life of officials in Paradise, to write to you, Vitya, I'm tired! !!! Is there no stability in Ukraine? What are you, Victor, - this is nonsense! We are stable and the whole class, thanks, Victor YOU from us !!! (UKRAINIANS).
  44. Vladimir I
    Vladimir I 17 March 2014 15: 58
    +2
    Quote: Chemicalalin23
    And again and again, for the thousandth time, different people from different countries, different backgrounds and worldviews tell you, Ukrainians and Russians of the east and south-east: - It's time to decide who you are and against whom! Even the GDP said that it all depends on your choice, and we are ready to help. But for this you must finally start doing something!

    Well, you are smart.
    Would Maidan come to power .... if all of Europe and the United States did not support them.
    Where at that moment was Russia. Supported by at least a word. You stated that this is our internal affair.
    And now Russia will not intervene until a large shelter spills. Only as if it were not late.
    Olympics is good. But Russia is losing about 20 million supporting it. Do not intervene - these 20 million will become enemies because consider that they were betrayed. And Crimea without the mainland is nonsense. Khrushchev was far from.
  45. ing
    ing 17 March 2014 16: 00
    +1
    An interesting article in it there is one interesting point - if the militants themselves exclude the need to create something for themselves, then they either need "slaves" or they will destroy everything and begin to devour themselves, or someone will contain them as a force against Russia. In any case, there is nothing good for us, apparently the way out is to create our own basis in which the struggle for the unity of the whole of Russia will become a unifying idea and a basis for the struggle against the Galitsays
  46. Raven2705
    Raven2705 17 March 2014 16: 01
    +2
    Quote: Vyacheslav 64
    All these mobilizations are complete nonsense, the way out of the situation is clear to any sane person. Further confrontation will lead to great blood and complete chaos, from which everyone will lose. Now it is necessary to sit down at the negotiating table for three countries: Russia, the USA and Germany, without taking into account the opinions of today's Kiev clowns. Agenda:
    1 The deepest constitutional reform, taking into account the interests of all regions of Ukraine.
    2 Federated, with wide regional powers, device.
    3 In case of severe rejection of certain regions of the federal structure, a possible disgrace of the possibility of a confederal state system.
    4 At the time of the reform, the deployment of UN peacekeeping forces with MANDATORY participation of Russia and Belarus.
    5 Conducting an All-Ukrainian referendum on the state system of Ukraine.
    6 The referendum on Crimea is recognized by the entire international community.


    Let your colleague disagree with you:
    1. Negotiations will not yield anything, but will only exacerbate an already difficult situation. Constitutional reform is possible only with the ACTING LEGITIMATE AUTHORITIES - there is none, this is a fact. Maydaunas are not capable, Yanukovych also can not be taken into account.
    2. Perhaps in the current situation only at a general referendum is unrealistic.
    3. In fact, this is the collapse of the country.
    4. We get another smoldering conflict for many years to come, maybe the West will continue to support the Nazis.
    5 cm p2
    6. Whether they want to or not, they will have to admit the Crimea, because they will not break ties with Russia.
    1. aleshka
      aleshka 17 March 2014 16: 10
      +4
      There are methods of combating terrorism - the physical elimination of their leaders, this has not been canceled! I think there will be in Russia students of General Sudoplatov! And I think such options are already in development!
      1. Camouflet
        Camouflet 18 March 2014 03: 07
        0
        Quote: Alesha
        There are methods of fighting terrorism - the physical elimination of their leaders,

        The fact is that in this case there are no leaders as a worthy goal for "Sudoplatov's students". Well, some "disappeared", they will be replaced by others, the same.
    2. Vyacheslav 64
      Vyacheslav 64 17 March 2014 16: 41
      0

      Let your colleague disagree with you:
      1. Negotiations will not yield anything, but will only exacerbate an already difficult situation. Constitutional reform is possible only with the ACTING LEGITIMATE AUTHORITIES - there is none, this is a fact. Maydaunas are not capable, Yanukovych also can not be taken into account.
      2. Perhaps in the current situation only at a general referendum is unrealistic.
      3. In fact, this is the collapse of the country.
      4. We get another smoldering conflict for many years to come, maybe the West will continue to support the Nazis.
      5 cm p2
      6. Whether they want to or not, they will have to admit the Crimea, because they will not break ties with Russia.



      And your proposal, blood?
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      2. Raven2705
        Raven2705 17 March 2014 21: 43
        0
        Quote: Vyacheslav 64

        Let your colleague disagree with you:
        1. Negotiations will not yield anything, but will only exacerbate an already difficult situation. Constitutional reform is possible only with the ACTING LEGITIMATE AUTHORITIES - there is none, this is a fact. Maydaunas are not capable, Yanukovych also can not be taken into account.
        2. Perhaps in the current situation only at a general referendum is unrealistic.
        3. In fact, this is the collapse of the country.
        4. We get another smoldering conflict for many years to come, maybe the West will continue to support the Nazis.
        5 cm p2
        6. Whether they want to or not, they will have to admit the Crimea, because they will not break ties with Russia.



        And your proposal, blood?


        1. To support the pro-Russian forces in the regions of Ukraine in every way - information, political, monetary, etc.
        2. Search for leaders among these groups and actively work with them, including openly with niche politicians; help them organize themselves. To insist on a referendum and explain why it is needed and what it should lead to (well, there is no need to explain it, I think)
        3. Guarantee military support in case of escalation, namely:
        in the case of punitive measures against the Russian-speaking population by either the new nat. Guard or even more reg. the army of Ukraine (and I doubt that the reg.armia will go against civilians) to send troops to these territories.
        Yes, that's right, otherwise it will continue and we will end up with a poor, torn country with armed to the teeth and mountains of civilian corpses. They will not risk fighting against our troops, and Europeans will not fight with amers.
        4. To begin the physical destruction of the leaders of nationalist movements, having lost their ideological leadership, they will begin to bite themselves. The current leadership of Ukraine is clowns, no more.

        And your proposal, blood? - if our ancestors had said and thought so, we would not have lived in this country, it simply would not have existed. I am not at all a supporter of wars, just the fact that our grandfathers drove back to Berlin will take root the promo at our borders and then it will be too late.
  47. Magadan
    Magadan 17 March 2014 16: 06
    +9
    I really hope that Eastern Ukraine will finally come up with one simple thing: stop giving the Nazis a reason to accuse themselves of separatism! And in the end - our Russian World needs all of Kievan Rus, and not several of its regions! Therefore, refuse to obey the Nazi-Bandera junta, but do not demand disconnection from Ukraine. Otherwise, all your leaders banderlog simply by law will be arrested. Your refusal to submit to Kiev is legitimate according to all international laws. So be against the eggs and scumbags pravosek. And yet - REQUEST from the legitimate President Yanukovych (whether you like it or not) to restore order in the country. This will knock out all the trump cards from the hands of the West. The stump is clear, the banderlogs are purely outraged anyway they will break, but how will they then appeal to NATO? The fact that on their Maidan there were guys with stronger eggs? Yes, and legitimate eggs?
    And only Natsik will cross a certain line, Yanukovych will once again turn to Putin with a request to protect the civilian population of ALL of Ukraine. And that’s all. The party will be played. Yarosh with egg chicks will be skirted over foreign lands until they are knocked down by ice axes.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 17 March 2014 20: 00
      +1
      Quote: Magadan
      Your refusal to submit to Kiev is legitimate according to all international laws. So be against the eggs and scumbags pravosek. And yet - REQUEST from the legitimate President Yanukovych (whether you like it or not) to restore order in the country.
      In southern Ukraine, I think that lawyers were molested by a lot, but it is not clear why no one seized on this historic chance of a legitimate reformatting of Little Russia ...
  48. Black
    Black 17 March 2014 16: 09
    +4
    No troops need to be entered ... yet ...
    We must act more cunningly.
    -Create centers of resistance based on pro-Russian forces.
    - Arm these islands ... including trained people.
    - Resist PS activists with all determination.
    - To wage an information war in all directions
    - ALREADY !!! it should be and the government in exile begins to work immediately, VFJ, I hope that I didn’t come to drink the vodka.
    - To prepare Donetsk for the return of the guarantor with the program and the timing of the election-re-election
    - And ... stand behind me, aiming my forehead ...
    1. Naturalist
      Naturalist 17 March 2014 20: 27
      +1
      Kovpak is not enough.
  49. Vladimir I
    Vladimir I 17 March 2014 16: 12
    +5
    Donbass is not for Yanukovych but against zapadentsev
  50. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 17 March 2014 16: 32
    +3
    I came across a resource - http://maidanua.org/2014/03/a-vot-y-horlovka-shlet-pryvet-putynu-y-eho-kartonnyi
    m-soldatam /

    Gorlovka. Donetsk region. Straykbolny club Pride. War is our hobby. God forbid Russian soldiers will meet with us in a real battle. We know our city, but they do not. We had thousands of fights in it, and they are draftees. We played like a football team, they only saw the ball. Special Forces of Ukraine refused to conduct battles because they knew we had no chance to resist. We don’t have a brain in battle, but a combat computer from them. Mom take me home. Us 750 fighters. You need at least 3000 recruits to simply provide us with adequate resistance. And this is only Gorlovka. Putin, do you have a brain? We are all different. Teachers and engineers. Sales agents and police officers. We ask you to stop the Russians Putin. We do not want to turn our hobby into a craft and shoot at Russian brothers. It makes more sense to say that Vova went to H.J.

    The guys have been brutal brainwash! It would be funny if it were not so scary ...
    1. petrT
      petrT 17 March 2014 16: 59
      +1
      Yes, they write this garbage! Yes, even on behalf of the Donbas. Yes, even if they write the truth, then I just wallow with laughter, they showed that Russia is conducting exercises at the borders of Ukraine, they put pants in it. They all ran to complain.
    2. tank64rus
      tank64rus 17 March 2014 19: 04
      +4
      Sonny war is not a computer. War is hard work; it is death, blood, dirt and terrible fatigue and the loss of friends. For the commander, this is still the loss of his soldiers. And you yourself thought you wrote. Russia has been fighting continuously since 1994. Tens of thousands of fighters passed through the Caucasus, and this is a real combat experience. In the Airborne Forces are all contract soldiers, and in the linear units there are enough of them. Natsik brains you with Amer. They themselves will not fight, they need the victims to blame Russia.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 17 March 2014 19: 22
        +3
        Quote: tank64rus
        Natsik brains you with Amer. Themselves will not fight they need victims to blame Russia.

        Now I watch on Polish TV regular hysterics with different "talking heads" ...
        During the simultaneous translation of Barak's statement, the commentator in the studio, instead of the phrase about the "Ukrainian constitution," began to pronounce the first sounds of "... prostitution ..." but on the half-way she came to her senses laughing
      2. mvv
        mvv 17 March 2014 20: 43
        +1
        They will not understand, my friend, until their equipment is burned by a crowd of "Donetsk" or "Luhansk", until they begin to hang their pravosek commissars, and shoot corrupt commanders before the formation. This is a civil war. it is even nastier than usual.
    3. tank64rus
      tank64rus 17 March 2014 19: 04
      0
      Sonny war is not a computer. War is hard work; it is death, blood, dirt and terrible fatigue and the loss of friends. For the commander, this is still the loss of his soldiers. And you yourself thought you wrote. Russia has been fighting continuously since 1994. Tens of thousands of fighters passed through the Caucasus, and this is a real combat experience. In the Airborne Forces are all contract soldiers, and in the linear units there are enough of them. Natsik brains you with Amer. They themselves will not fight, they need the victims to blame Russia.
    4. matross
      matross 17 March 2014 20: 05
      +3
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      The guys underwent a brutal brainwashing!

      Right! And now they have what they think
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      not a brain, but a combat computer

      laughing fool laughing
      Does Ukraine seem to be collecting some kind of national guard? The warriors of Narnia are already there. It remains to pull up airsoft players from Horlivka, paintball players from Zhmerynka and onanists from Shepetovka ... and you can begin the enslavement of the peoples of Russia! laughing
    5. Camouflet
      Camouflet 18 March 2014 03: 20
      +4
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      Gorlovka. Donetsk region. Airsoft club Pride. War is our hobby

      :-) Bullshit. The dippers are clearly off topic and do not understand what they are talking about.
      If the GDP gives the order, then Kharkiv, Lugansk and Donetsk regions will be occupied in one day, Zaporizhzhya and Kherson in two days, Nikolaev and Odessa in three. And that is typical, it is likely and without losses.

      And these "airsoft players" will be hiding in the basements in wet pants.

      And the last - the boy obviously does not know about the moods in the mining town of Gorlovka.
      1. AVIATOR36662
        AVIATOR36662 18 March 2014 04: 33
        +1
        Absolutely agree. But it is wretched people who are denied family joys, and who, by their intellect, are not able to perceive culture and art, are engaged in airsoft. For real sport, the gut is thin. It remains to swagger with plastic farts. Real pros work silently, without show-offs. We saw this on 08.08.08. We saw it now in the Crimea.
      2. Stanislas
        Stanislas 18 March 2014 08: 42
        0
        Quote: Camouflage
        And these "airsoft players" will be hiding in the basements in wet pants.
        They would have to tell the joke that had been encountered earlier on the forum about Mrs. Kowalska and her three toilets, what happened to her when the Russians arrived in Warsaw. But, apparently, these are not readers, but writers (cyber hundred)
      3. demos1111
        demos1111 18 March 2014 13: 09
        0
        Troops to enter the brothers is an extreme measure. here Putin is right. Troops will enter only after the massacre in the southeastern regions. With this, everything is more or less clear. It is not clear another. We are now living in a different world. The UN died as the League of Nations died in '39. Americans spit on any contract is a fact. They need to point to their place and diplomacy does not work out. But there is an idea, maybe it will seem brutal to someone (I apologize in advance, or take a closer look at the former Ukraine)
        America lives while trading. Without trade, she is a corpse. It’s also very cowardly. It can be destroyed by one small tactical nuclear explosion on a non-American ship not far from the territorial waters of the Americans (preferably a major port) by laying such a charge in one of the containers.
        They recycle millions of containers per day, inspect each, and here you have the collapse of trade.
        This is of course an extreme measure. but in my opinion it's time.
    6. Stanislas
      Stanislas 18 March 2014 08: 36
      +1
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      It would be funny if it weren’t so scary ...
      Optimism instills the self-criticism of these guys: they themselves admit that they have no brains, only computers.