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"Getman Sagaidachny" fled to Odessa

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"Getman Sagaidachny" fled to Odessa



Purge continues in the Armed Forces of Ukraine - demoralized soldiers and sailors are examined for loyalty to the new regime. Doubters in exchange for support are promised apartments and high salaries. It is not clear, however, due to what. Perhaps the most obscure situation is with the Ukrainian Naval fleet. All that remained of him was the frigate “Getman Sagaidachny” and several boats, hastily evacuated from Crimea, where the Kiev authorities were going to disband all military units.

The fact that the "Hetman Sagaidachny" is moored somewhere in the military harbor, they know, perhaps, everything. Military naval officers from this ship can be found at the checkpoint to the port, but they all received orders to be silent and not to comment on anything, especially if questions are asked with a "Moscow" accent.
Now all that concerns "Sagaydachny" is a military secret, although the frigate can be well viewed from a height above the port. His airborne number, weapons, navigation equipment - the ship was a bright touch in the panorama of port Odessa.

The flagship of the Navy of Ukraine, the Getman Sahaidachny, has been at the anchorage in the port of Odessa for several days. On the one hand, it is securely covered by the coastline, on the other - by military boats. It is clearly seen that there is movement on the ship, people in naval uniform are walking, which means that the crew is on the ship and, perhaps, very soon it will be removed from the anchor and will be released into the open sea.

Special precautions have been taken: at the entrance to the naval unit, not only armed soldiers, but also police squads - an unspoken order to detain and transfer all suspicious people, especially with video cameras, to the SBU or the police. The crew members are intimidated by their superiors. Particularly closely monitor ethnic Russians.

Alexander Yakimenko, a retired colonel, a fourth-generation officer, a man who can say anything about the situation around a military frigate. He calls the arrival of “Sagaydachny” to Odessa “flight”.

"He is here only for the sake of one goal - at least something needs to be saved from these feeble Ukrainian Naval Forces. There is no other goal. People are forced to carry out the orders that today's government gives them," said Alexander Yakimenko.

Yakimenko is familiar with many officers. All of them tell about the deplorable state of ships and that Odessa is the only place where the fleet of Ukraine could be relocated. Now he remains here, consisting of one frigate and four military boats.

"Probably, it will stand until those forces come that say: enough, we played a war game, we need to build a new normal country," believes Yakimenko.

In order to somehow keep and keep the sailors from dismissal and transfer to the side of the Crimea, the current government promises untold wealth: apartments, large salaries and generous social packages. That's just the officers in this little believe.

"No gifts in the form of apartments, exorbitant wages of these seafarers will not keep. This is a forgotten army, not supported by anyone, not well-groomed, ruined to the bottom and the previous presidents, and all those who, during the years of independence, were engaged only in the collapse of the country," Yakimenko.

Now the Sagaidachny and several rusty boats are the Ukrainian fleet that escaped from Sevastopol. From the conversations of the military itself it is clear that many of them have lost faith in the command, are demoralized and do not believe in a bright future. The island of Crimea is somewhere very far away, and now it is new. история. And now, even in the safe until Odessa, a large military frigate Sagaidachny stands, as if locked under lock and key, and he has nowhere to go.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 16 March 2014 06: 19
    +19
    since there is not enough brains to understand that the fascists are in power, let them stand on the "banks" and wait for a clarification in their head ... fool
    1. Canep
      Canep 16 March 2014 06: 36
      +5
      In my opinion, the photo is not Getman Sagaidachny, but some other vessel:
      Wiki presents such a photo

      And this is from the Internet:
      1. domokl
        domokl 16 March 2014 06: 54
        +14
        About brains, it seems to me that you have gone too far. You know the psychology of the military badly .. The oath is given once and that’s all ... There is no second, third, tenth ... Ukrainian sailors swore allegiance to Ukraine and most of them only fled to the USSR as boys ...
        Veterans of the Armed Forces will understand me .. We are still Soviet officers, despite the fact that many served in the Russian army.
        The frigate is now just a ship. Participating in any kind of military operations is nonsense ... The Moscow cruiser will send such a ship to the bottom in one gulp ... And the sailors understand this. Therefore, they took a wait and see position ...
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        2. siberalt
          siberalt 16 March 2014 07: 21
          +7
          That's right. The Ukrainian fleet is all that remains of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. There is a choice, but the oath is the oath. Do not blame them. They are on no one’s side, but on their own.
          1. W1950
            W1950 16 March 2014 11: 19
            +2
            But after the division, the Armed Forces of Ukraine took third place in power. However, we also reached the handle during the reign of the drunk Yeltsin. I remember my guys had to send out even vests. But now you look at the Armed Forces of Russia and the soul rejoices.
        3. 77bob1973
          77bob1973 16 March 2014 07: 48
          +20
          The position of the Ukrainian military is strange, the choice here is not between Ukraine and Russia. That Ukraine is no longer there, but there is a gangster-anarchist junta of a fascist persuasion and the incomprehensible excuses of the Ukrainians are even more surprising when they say - "the army is out of politics", this is nonsense, because the army is an instrument of politics.
          1. ochakow703
            ochakow703 16 March 2014 09: 01
            +6
            Nothing strange. The oath is the oath, and this is not a political matter, but a matter of honor. If Russia does not change its course to stabilize the situation in Ukraine and crush the brown reptile, then it will be obvious who is who. Who cares about the honor and prosperity of Ukraine, and who is ready to put on a swastika and stand under the banners of eggs, nicknames and other scum. Yes, and we should not forget that the military has families, and in this situation this is the most vulnerable spot.
        4. Ah1ll
          Ah1ll 16 March 2014 08: 52
          -3
          What are you hanging!? What does the cruiser Moscow have to do with it?
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 16 March 2014 10: 45
            +3
            Quote: Ah1LL
            What are you hanging!? What does the cruiser Moscow have to do with it?

            most likely it is in the form that "Moscow" is now covering Odessa and Nikolaev from the exercises of the NATO fleet, well, and most likely keeps the remnants of the Naval Forces of Ukraine from any rash actions ...
        5. Kazakh
          Kazakh 16 March 2014 09: 52
          +12
          .We are still Soviet officers, despite the fact that many served in the Russian army.
          ++++ Serving the Soviet Union
        6. I read the news
          I read the news 16 March 2014 11: 32
          +8
          Ukrainian sailors swore allegiance to Ukraine
          Not "Ukraine", but its people!
        7. APASUS
          APASUS 16 March 2014 13: 11
          +5
          Quote: domokl
          The cruiser Moscow will send such a ship to the bottom in one gulp ...

          More than a Ukrainian official, not a single cruiser Moscow sent to the bottom.
          For 20 years, the fleet moved into the category of gunboats.
      2. user1212
        user1212 16 March 2014 08: 18
        +5
        The photo looks like a small patrol ship "Grigory Kuropyatnikov"
        http://forum.pogranichnik.ru/index.php/gallery/image/5374-sevastopol-g-kuropiatn
        ikov-na-remonte /
      3. Tron
        Tron 16 March 2014 13: 36
        +1
        Quote: Canep
        In my opinion, the photo is not Getman Sagaidachny, but some other vessel

        Yes, the photo shows the border patrol ship "Grigory Kuropyatnikov". The ship was built according to project 1241-2 ("Lightning-2", Pauk I according to NATO classification). Serial number 510. 20.10.1982 laid down in the slipway of the Yaroslavl Shipyard and 10.12.1983 enlisted in the lists of ships of the MCHPV KGB, launched on 18.01.1984
        In June 1992, after the collapse of the USSR, it was transferred to the State Committee for the Protection of the Border of Ukraine, leaving its previous name (tail number 012). In 2000, the side number of the ship 012 was changed to BG 50, and the official name of the ship was changed to KRMO (Marine Guard ship) "Grigoriy Kurop'yatnikov".
      4. Kortik
        Kortik 16 March 2014 15: 27
        0
        In the photo: Sea guard BG50 “Grigory Kurop'yatnikov” (fugitive from the Crimea), moored in a practical harbor along with other ships and boats of the Odessa detachment of the marine guard of the state border service of Ukraine. Military unit 1485. Now, most likely, the current authorities rename ships bearing the names of the heroes of the Soviet Union Grigory Kuropyatnikov and Pavel Derzhavin in their Nazi heroes. Sorry for the ships and their former part ...
      5. NauruS
        NauruS 16 March 2014 16: 53
        0
        Of course not! In the photo, the sea guard boat "Grigory Kuropyatnikov" of the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine.
    2. mpa945
      mpa945 16 March 2014 07: 48
      +5
      Bank is stranded, stand on barrels
      1. platitsyn70
        platitsyn70 16 March 2014 07: 53
        +4
        "Hetman Sagaidachny" should be renamed into "Hetman Zamaidachny"
  2. waisson
    waisson 16 March 2014 06: 24
    +13
    yes let it run if no brains
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  4. Rusik.S
    Rusik.S 16 March 2014 06: 28
    +7
    Keep neutral? Keep on
    1. domokl
      domokl 16 March 2014 06: 56
      +5
      And where should they go? Of course, this hetman is a frigate, but one cruiser is enough and there is no frigate ..
      1. Rusik.S
        Rusik.S 16 March 2014 15: 02
        +1
        It’s also true. To whom they do not join, they will call traitors anyway.
  5. Curculum
    Curculum 16 March 2014 06: 29
    +15
    Well, not only with the fleet it’s a disaster: even that which can travel (somehow) doesn’t reach the place of deployment for other reasons as well:
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 16 March 2014 07: 30
      +9
      "There are eight of them - there are two of us. The alignment before the fight is not ours, but we will play" (c)

      Twenty people, three Russian flags, and is this an obstacle for such a column of "armed" people? Yes, the army is good ...

      And the comments of the officer in the 4-5 minute are generally tin. Listen to this. Stunned.
      1. Moore
        Moore 16 March 2014 07: 55
        +4
        In the officer’s words and tone, sheer irony and relief from the possibility of not fulfilling an order that clearly does not appeal to him.
        Here are the positions of the Ukrainian D-30 at the Turkish Wall.
        Doesn’t it seem strange to anyone?
        IMHO, the formal execution of the order of the senior commando is to dig up positions where they showed and believe that you will not shoot, and no one will iron you from the air for this.
        Taken in the blogger’s LiveJournal t-34-85 /
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 16 March 2014 20: 31
          0
          Quote: Moore
          Here are the positions of the Ukrainian D-30 at the Turkish Wall. Doesn’t it seem strange to anyone?

          Sadly it all.
          Kherson region in the area of ​​the Crimean rampart is a plain for shelter from air raids there is no possibility at all. And the positions in the open field .......... the suicide bombers, at least they would have pulled the camouflage net, if they have of course.
      2. svp67
        svp67 16 March 2014 07: 58
        +1
        Quote: Banshee
        Twenty people, three Russian flags, and is this an obstacle for such a column of "armed" people? Yes, the army is good ...

        Everything is simple. The officers are NOT SURE in their soldiers, NOT SURE in the new government ... and that’s all - the army is simply NOT POWERFUL ... and judging by the technology, the best parts of Ukraine are airmobile ... I don’t know, it seems to me that the best the way out now for Ukraine is to find its own Pinochet ... And is it interesting that they show it to TV channels? And what is the difference in the behavior of the population in our country and in the Ukraine ... No one interferes with our troops to go "to the exercises" ... And this says a lot.
        1. ochakow703
          ochakow703 16 March 2014 09: 30
          +3
          Don't escalate. Let our troops stand where they are ordered. Do not forget about elementary honor. And the arrival of our troops "for exercises" can provoke a simple boy's truth - "They are beating ours."
          1. svp67
            svp67 16 March 2014 11: 08
            +2
            At the moment - I SUPPORT. I think that very soon the reverse process will begin in Ukraine.
          2. Gagauz
            Gagauz 16 March 2014 23: 47
            0
            I agree completely, this is the 25th Airborne Brigade (the only one in Ukraine). The guys may not look respectably (like polite people), but they know their job, the preparation and spirit are at their level. And this is my battalion where I myself served as deputy commander. The mood for the new government there is negative, but the order is first executed, and then appealed. The attitude towards Russians is excellent, there are many Russian officers on nat. and a native of Russia, but if at least one of them dies at the hands of the Russian army, they will fight and take revenge with dignity to the end.
        2. PSih2097
          PSih2097 16 March 2014 10: 52
          0
          Quote: svp67
          I don’t know, it seems to me that the best way out now for Ukraine is to find your Pinochet ...

          So Akim was offered, but he refused ...
          Akim UA February 25, 2014 12:07 ↑

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Akim, well, you become him


          I am a military man and not a leader.
      3. cumastra1
        cumastra1 16 March 2014 08: 02
        +4
        It is necessary to campaign among the military, to attract them to the side of the people. So that they do not turn around and leave, but that they stay!
      4. cumastra1
        cumastra1 16 March 2014 08: 02
        +2
        It is necessary to campaign among the military, to attract them to the side of the people. So that they do not turn around and leave, but that they stay!
      5. nerd.su
        nerd.su 16 March 2014 09: 12
        +10
        Normal army, how long have we buried our own? Another chair of the Minister of Defense keeps the warmth of Serdyukov’s ass. Well, at least our government changed their minds in time.
        You look at the soldiers - normal Slavic faces, many speak Russian without accent, for sure. Do you think they will fight badly? And the fact that people are an obstacle for them does not want the army to fight with its people.
        You will not envy the Ukrainian military.
        And the comments are not of officers, but of those who shot the video, most likely. The people do not yet separate themselves from the army - our drivers, our techies ...
        1. svp67
          svp67 16 March 2014 11: 11
          0
          Quote: bot.su
          And the comments are not of officers, but of those who shot the video, most likely. The people do not yet separate themselves from the army - our drivers, our techies ...

          Well, Whose are they? Of course their own ... They went to protect them from the Russian threat ... It's good that many simply do not believe in it, although of course they are brainwashed well, and soon the army will be "propped up" by the "National Guard", then a lot of things can happen differently ...
      6. ochakow703
        ochakow703 16 March 2014 09: 24
        +4
        But your sarcasm is unnecessary for this situation. All that is in the frames is the pattern "The army is the people." And the military is not at all guilty that they were brought to such a bestial state. Remember our Army of the late 90s. We can only say thank you to these military men for not aggravating the situation, but calmly obeying the demand of the people.
      7. W1950
        W1950 16 March 2014 11: 30
        +2
        Would you fight with your people?
    2. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 16 March 2014 07: 59
      +4
      watched the video, so they gave up riding
    3. 2я19
      2я19 16 March 2014 08: 48
      +5
      Why deployed and released? It was necessary to pour vodka, give a bite and leave yourself! The impression is that the army was just waiting for an invitation to serve the people.
    4. avt
      avt 16 March 2014 10: 21
      +2
      Quote: Kurkul
      Well, it’s not only trouble with the fleet: even that which can travel (somehow) doesn’t reach the place of deployment for other reasons.

      good Well done !!!! They didn’t give punishers out of the guys! Probably the Kolomoisky’s landing movement moved from Dnipropetrovsk.
      1. Gagauz
        Gagauz 16 March 2014 23: 51
        0
        Yeah, only these guys will not be punishers, for punishers they create another structure
    5. Evgenij.
      Evgenij. 16 March 2014 12: 17
      0
      What ways are shameful for 2 videos, like abandoned driveways in the industrial zone
  6. shibi
    shibi 16 March 2014 06: 45
    +7
    The new government wants Sagaidachnogo to quickly sell in order to earn a little money in his pocket.
    1. Name
      Name 16 March 2014 06: 59
      +5
      Quote: sibi
      The new government wants Sagaidachnogo quickly sell in order to earn

      Yeah, and there will be "Hetman Sagaidachny" under the flag:
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    3. siberalt
      siberalt 16 March 2014 07: 25
      +4
      Yes, they wanted to chew on the new government. They have their own honor.
  7. ybrcfy27
    ybrcfy27 16 March 2014 06: 47
    +2
    It would be nice if he joined us, because the boat is not bad, and the fleet replenishment
    1. SSR
      SSR 16 March 2014 10: 13
      +4
      Quote: ybrcfy27
      It would be nice if he joined us, because the boat is not bad, and the fleet replenishment

      Personally, I am very sorry for the Ukrainian military, they became hostages of the situation, the president fled and fascist criminals seized power, and among the military ranks there was no person who would say - it's all with the people! As the people decide it will be so.
  8. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 16 March 2014 06: 53
    +5
    Quote: sibi
    The new government wants Sagaidachnogo to quickly sell in order to earn a little money in his pocket.

    Do not have time! That su .... and These shortcomings of business will do Oh Ukraine what do you come to your senses!
  9. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 16 March 2014 06: 53
    +3
    That did not have time to sell, Yatsenyuk mortgage Americans!
  10. shelva
    shelva 16 March 2014 07: 07
    +2
    Banderlogs can only sell a frigate. For them, this is an insurmountable topic - there are not enough brains. Although you can chop nuts with a microscope.
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 16 March 2014 07: 28
      +1
      And who will buy it? Even if it works out. Well, the new government is legitimate only in the sense of a political game. And tomorrow? Return the boat, gentlemen. The deal is void.
  11. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 16 March 2014 07: 26
    +6
    Perhaps this is reminiscent of 1920 year.
    Then, too, the gold reserve was first exported (and there were versions that the trail leads to San Francisco)
    There was also a prepared cruiser "Karnilov" on which Wrangel left
    Also, when Russian officers abroad were offered to go to the French fleet, they refused to be sworn allegiance.
    And I recall the words of Anastasia Shirinskaya-Manstein, who emigrated from Russia in 1920
    “If only you knew how difficult it is to keep fidelity to a country that does not exist!”
    1. Curculum
      Curculum 16 March 2014 07: 48
      +5
      Quote: Ruswolf
      Perhaps this is reminiscent of 1920 year.

      A superficial analogy: then the Russians left, now they are returning. Yes, and in modern times there are other means for "leaving", faster and safer.
      1. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf 16 March 2014 09: 31
        +2
        Curculum
        A superficial analogy: then the Russians left, now they are returning. Yes, and in modern times there are other means for "leaving", faster and safer.


        The question is not about someone somewhere and on what and how!
        This means that the rulers come and go! What an army thrown into self-survival! What is the collapse of what was without building a new one!
        And you are talking about some kind of technology, how to escape ...
        And the Russians didn’t leave then, many remained, someone struggled with advice, someone went to the Red Army, looking at everything with different eyes, and someone shot a bullet in the forehead! Because there was hopelessness on the one hand the oath of Russia, and on the other hand, fidelity and also the oath to defend the Russian land and people!
        That's why I drew a parallel with 1920 year
        1. Curculum
          Curculum 16 March 2014 10: 27
          +1
          Quote: Ruswolf
          This means that the rulers come and go! What an army thrown into self-survival! What is the collapse of what was without building a new one!

          I strongly agree! Thank you for the detailed explanation and I apologize that I didn’t taste it. hi
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  12. Sosed_26
    Sosed_26 16 March 2014 07: 27
    +1
    It is a pity for Ukraine and the people! It’s bad when oiled people are in power
  13. ZU-23
    ZU-23 16 March 2014 07: 36
    +3
    So why scumbags need a fleet, their goal is joining NATO, and Sahaidachny is so that people would show that the fleet exists.
  14. VadimL
    VadimL 16 March 2014 07: 39
    +3
    The photo is not "Hetman Sagaidachny". Judging by the number, this is the PSKR "Grigoriy Kurop'yatnikov".
  15. predator.3
    predator.3 16 March 2014 07: 42
    +5
    "Getman Sagaidachny" fled to Odessa
    And then where will he run from Odessa? In Lviv ?! wassat
    1. Duke
      Duke 16 March 2014 08: 18
      +2
      And then where will he run from Odessa? In Lviv ?!

      In the Kherson steppes.
    2. TRex
      TRex 16 March 2014 09: 09
      +5
      All this is "h..nya". I watched this reportage yesterday on "Russia-24" - how this person (like a "correspondent"), rolling his eyes and grimacing in front of the TV camera, revealed to the layman a terrible secret about the fact that "Sagaidachny" was moored in Odessa ... "as for "Sagaidachny" - a military secret"
      For those who were really interested in the development of events in Ukraine and the fate of their "flagship", it was clearly shown from the very beginning that after the combat "Sagaidachny" with fragments of its naval forces left for Odessa. The relevant information was published in the Sevastopol Forpost and a number of other Internet publications. Videos of the meeting of the ship were published - an orchestra, flowers, women, etc. And now, some mudaqs are doing PR and sucking the news out of their fingers, revealing the "Punchinelle's secret". If I were the owners of the TV channel, I would drive this riffraff to hell ... I am ashamed of these freaks. Power disgrace.
  16. calocha
    calocha 16 March 2014 08: 02
    +4
    Prostitutes - they are also prostitutes in Africa! Here we will cleanse Ukraine and write off the whole team to the shore, and we will rename Sagaidachny to - Berkut!
    1. f.lourens
      f.lourens 16 March 2014 14: 31
      0
      Rename a ship and especially a military one negative
  17. Walk
    Walk 16 March 2014 08: 23
    +2
    If we attach SE to the next stage, and this must be done, then the boat together with Odessa will become ours.
  18. diff
    diff 16 March 2014 08: 25
    +3
    In general, all of today's Ukrainian "political elite" looks like a herd of baboons who burst into a house. Everyone tears himself what he wants, but at the same time knows that the owner will come now and give such trendy cups ...
    All the promises of the maydravgovitelstva- are already perceived not even as an empty sound, but as a sound after which usually stink. On the other hand, if Ukrainian officers do not want to go over to the side of the Crimea, then it means they are hoping for something from the new mayor directors!?fool
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    2. Neophyte
      Neophyte 16 March 2014 09: 21
      0
      Baboons? There is a photo of the current government from Kiev.
  19. polite people
    polite people 16 March 2014 08: 57
    +6
    Crimeans do not listen to anyone who says that in Russia there is someone who supports Westerners and the Right Sector. All 100 millions of Russians are for you and hope that already this week the population of our Great country will increase by 2 millions of Crimeans. Green polite little men on green cars, airplanes, helicopters, tigers, armored personnel carriers, tanks, etc., etc. YOU MANDATORY help. yes
    1. I read the news
      I read the news 16 March 2014 11: 43
      +4
      We envy the inhabitants of Crimea.
    2. Evgenij.
      Evgenij. 16 March 2014 12: 22
      0
      "All 100 million Russians are for you"
      eeemmm, all 143 actually
  20. nikkon09
    nikkon09 16 March 2014 09: 02
    +6
    Many are now concerned not with the activity of the military, but with the active brainwashing of ordinary citizens who are still fraternal people by Westerners. According to the information, it is now necessary to intensify our onslaught so that every Ukrainian goes to what bottom they are being pulled. Ukrainian and Russian descendants will not forgive the surrender of Ukraine slavery to the planters, and the Khokhlov especially comes back to you, you turned your back on us in a difficult time for the Slavs. Take a look at Yugoslavia, do Bulgaria look like these examples? And about Russia, the opinion of the average man, we won’t let us eat, you are good with us , and if against Us then don’t whine. We don’t have any further retreat thanks to your ultra-fascist right.
  21. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 16 March 2014 09: 12
    +2
    "Probably, it will stand until those forces come that say: enough, have played war, we need to build a new normal country"

    Who would doubt that. It just seems to me that such new power will not work out of the new Kiev assessors, because until the Kremlin comes, horseradish will not work out in Ukraine.
  22. andrey777
    andrey777 16 March 2014 09: 24
    +2
    Go to Crimea, you will be the second flagship after Moskva
  23. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 16 March 2014 09: 46
    +7
    Today is a significant day .. Closing of the Olympics (Paralympic fellows well done actually) And most importantly, Crimea is returning home! Remember how we were constantly blackmailed by Sevastopol? My heart bleeds and my fists clenched .. Today all points are over And we’ll put it all! The humiliation of Russia is over, we are starting to act tough! Tremble banderlog Russians are coming!
  24. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 16 March 2014 09: 57
    +2
    I think everything will be formed soon, pisyaga agrees to play a primary role, but here is some thing, to swear allegiance to the people of ukraine is one thing, but bendera is not the people of ukraine, this is the main thing in this matter, therefore it is not worth confusing in any case, then maybe someone would like to see in their ranks the norod of ukraine, but I think the donut hole is for them and not the soul and heart of the Ukrainians, the sailors are a special caste in their hearts, they have already decided everything, as soon as the team will don’t go out to sea, so I will not even be hesitant in Crimea, now they are stupidly kept at gunpoint, "and the officers understand the command, and they must be returned home from this coven 18-20l. They are all waiting for them, so they would act differently without them, they are waiting for the mament!"
  25. Zomanus
    Zomanus 16 March 2014 10: 18
    +2
    The army and navy were stupidly thrown. Now all the funds will go to the People's Guard, the militia of the militants. So all the action. which we are now seeing is purely "what would have been." For it is clear that the country will face a serious restructuring, moreover, in terms of territories, and the final choice will have to be made yet.
  26. valokordin
    valokordin 16 March 2014 11: 42
    +1
    It is a pity that the Sahaidachny did not become the battleship Potemkin.
    1. I read the news
      I read the news 16 March 2014 11: 46
      +1
      Significant efforts were made to this. Even before coming to Crimea, the team was intensely misinformed about the situation in the country.
  27. 120352
    120352 16 March 2014 12: 44
    0
    I would slightly correct the name: "Sahaidachny fled to Odessa, and the personnel - to the shore."
  28. V1451145
    V1451145 16 March 2014 13: 08
    0
    So the rainy day of the Ukrainian Navy came ... Everything that we were proud of during the years of independence itself escaped from Crimea. Rather, what remains of the years of independence ...
  29. V1451145
    V1451145 16 March 2014 13: 15
    0
    As for the armed forces of Ukraine, out of 150 thousand personnel, only 7 to 10 thousand are combat-ready. person. Smaller divisions. The army is demoralized and resembles the situation of 1941 when there is no clear plan how to act in this situation. To whom the Armed Forces of Ukraine are currently subordinate? Formally, there is a min defense but only formally.
  30. stork
    stork 16 March 2014 13: 21
    -5
    They are at least trying to remain faithful to the oath. Our mighty SA
    in full force betrayed the people during the collapse of the USSR
    1. Kolyan 2
      Kolyan 2 16 March 2014 15: 40
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      Stork! You yourself would fly to hell. Judging by the fact that you still write shkolot and don’t know the realities that were at that time, it’s useless to explain them to you fool It’s better to write about what you know and don’t go wherever you’ve tasted it.
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  31. grafin
    grafin 16 March 2014 15: 11
    +1
    The column is GAZ, ZIL, KAMAZ, UAZ, Kalash, Yaroslavl fleet boats .... BMP is probably Kurgan .. in such a situation in Ukraine, the best way to engage troops is neutrality ..
  32. Arkan
    Arkan 16 March 2014 15: 22
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    "Jolly Roger" or St. Andrew's Flag should have been raised immediately after entering the Black Sea. Now it is too late, for them to rot there, in glorious Odessa.
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  34. Chemicalin23
    Chemicalin23 16 March 2014 16: 07
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    But what about the infa that the Andreev flag was hoisted on board, that the team switched to the side of Russia and the ship was moving from the Gulf of Aden to the Black Sea to reunite with the Russian Black Sea Fleet? Where did that disinformation come from?
  35. msv
    msv 16 March 2014 17: 48
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    Quote: W1950
    Would you fight with your people?


    It depends on how you beat it ... In 1995, the columns to Chechnya were also stopped and the wheels were pierced, rubble was strewed onto the road, etc. The picture is the same, but the content is different. And the one who wins the information war fills.
  36. Cristall
    Cristall 16 March 2014 18: 08
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    yes there were enough such "messages" - for the morale of some and disorientation of others
    By the way, Sahaidachny did not "run away" as they say - but upon his return from exercises - he simply had nowhere to go.
    He himself sailed at the place of the schedule to the base in Sevastopol - but in the light of events, he had to swim to Odessa (and not run away) so as not to be blocked in the bay like his brothers. In general, the situation is dumb - blocking the fleet of a friendly country (in fact, of course, without taking anyone in Kiev)
    in general, Ukrainian banks began the withdrawal of their branches from the Crimea. I had to quit many ..
    What about the units blocked in Crimea? They are people too and they need food and water. Or will they be killed just because they swore an oath? They could, of course, arrange what they are obliged to do - but in fact it is clear that "hit their own" And for this they do not hit. But they are being blocked - is there information that they are given food and water? And when will this incomprehensible blockade of the fleet and bases end?
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 16 March 2014 21: 47
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      Quote: Cristall
      By the way, Sahaidachny did not "run away" as they say - but upon his return from exercises - he simply had nowhere to go. He himself swam at the place of the schedule to the base in Sevastopol - but in the light of the events, he had to sail to Odessa (and not run away) so as not to be blocked in the bay like his brothers.

      How does the girl know that there is an external raid in order to block the ship there - it’s necessary to be Nakhimov. Sagaidachny went to Odessa because the new government is not sure of the crew.
  37. Bosk
    Bosk 16 March 2014 20: 03
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    The worst thing is when you don’t know who to fight for, the Ukrainian Navy is in such a situation, they are for the people .. but the question is who the people are ... and you can’t bullet left and right, and there’s no one to give in, you can surely give up but to whom? funny and im complete EDGE!
  38. Nonik
    Nonik 16 March 2014 20: 23
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    So did Sagaidachny still join the Crimean troops or not? Once in the photo only a guard ship. There was news that he allegedly switched to the side of Russia (!), But this is probably a fake.
  39. Cristall
    Cristall 17 March 2014 10: 41
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    Quote: APASUS
    Quote: Cristall
    By the way, Sahaidachny did not "run away" as they say - but upon his return from exercises - he simply had nowhere to go. He himself swam at the place of the schedule to the base in Sevastopol - but in the light of the events, he had to sail to Odessa (and not run away) so as not to be blocked in the bay like his brothers.

    How does the girl know that there is an external raid in order to block the ship there - it’s necessary to be Nakhimov. Sagaidachny went to Odessa because the new government is not sure of the crew.

    even the girls understand (although I am not a girl, and this is my wife in the photo) that the ship does not need to go to the harbor but to replenish supplies (well, you can insist that Istanbul is suitable, but the native port will not replace)
    The blockade is different. This one looks like"Almost their own people block their own, but others"
    The new government is not at all sure of anything. And in Odessa too - although efforts aimed at quickly establishing loyalty in the city are very high.

    flagship mooring